Medieval Misconceptions: THE KNIGHTING CEREMONY
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2019
- An in depth look at the knighting ceremony of medieval times, filmed at the knighting ceremony of the Abbey Medieval Festival.
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WHOOOOOOAAA SHAD!!!! I'm part of the reenactment group that did the templar knighting at 2:50! We are an Italian 13th and 14th century reenactment group called "Cavalieri Cortesi" (courtly Knights) it's awesome to be in your video!
Cool! He'll be glad to know you're watching this!
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Also on knighting i want to add that every kingdom had its own requirements or set of rules of could one person become a knight, some were due to social status, money or positions they held or if they were from an already established noble family, in medieval spain the only way a person could be knighted was through military service since the peninsula lived on a constant state of war meaning that money or being related to a knight would not had given you the right to be knighted but only if you made considerable exploits as a soldier fighting the moors a thing that remained until essentially the end of the middle ages with the conquest of granada
Who had the authority to knight someone in medieval Spain?
@@-V-_-V- idk, the King and the Royal family perhaps
Bishops had the power, and still have, to bestowe the title of knight.
@@-V-_-V- bishops, feudal lords and the king.
@@-V-_-V- the king, the archbishop and the master of a monastic order be it templars, santiago, calatrava etc, other knights could not knight you since that would lead to the kingdom having a huge amount and spain already had lots of them
Ah, the knighting ceremony. Not to be confused with the beheading ceremony....
I may have uh... Mixed up the two. I cut off my new knights head.
Yea, verily yea.
If it goes slowly, it's a knighting ceremony. If it's rushed, it's a prelude to a fight with grim, gruesome Griswold.
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The best part of these two is how open they are to being corrected on everything they say.
They're highly researched and knowledgeable, but they also know that you can never truly know everything about something as un-knowable as history, and corrections are so frequent that you can't stop learning about it. Very stressful stuff only nailed by the most dedicated of scholars.
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I have yet to get that book. BUT I WANT TO!
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@@albertjackinson Roger, test succeded.
Prepare phase 2.
Twas a very good listen.
This was perfect. I’m DMing a Pen and Paper RPG (Cogent actually) and the PCs are all about to be knighted during tonight’s session. Very informative and interesting.
I bet somebody got backhanded!
You might enjoy Society for Creative Anachronism.
Very very in-depth about Knighthood and the responsibilities of a knight. A lot of things I didn't even consider
Some video ideas:
1) Medieval Misconceptions: Bandits. Like how common was it to find bandits in medieval era (i know games have plenty for you to fight something while exploring, but real life analysis could be interesting)
2) Evolution of cannons in medieval era (and Renaissance)
3) Firearms in medieval and renaissance era from flintlocks to mousquettes and how it impacted warfare.
4) Affected by the cannons, the new fortresses: The Starfort design, layout, characteristics...
5) Naval warfare in medieval era and types of warships used.
1) very common, every region with somewhere to hide from the law had their own band(s) of robbers and outlaws.
3) medieval and renaissance firearms did not encompass flintlocks. Flintlocks are an industrial era invention
Only touch hole handguns that eventually evolved into match locks and eventually wheel locks existed.
4) Star forts are also an industrial era (18th century invention)
From when the ordnance manufacturing allowed large bore, (12+lbs) horse drawn field guns and 24+lbs mortars capable of firing explosive shells and high velocity shot capable of arcing over or reliably punch through the old vertical 6ft thick walls of lime-/sand stone and mortar castles along with the abolishment of the feudal system and the introduction of the organised nation state and it's ability to once more raise armies on a scale unseen since the fall of the Roman Empire rendering the feudal castles obsolete as a means of power projection and insufficient as a locus of government administration.
@@SonsOfLorgar Yes, i checked a bit and true, flintlocks are more modern. Matchlocks would be more appropriate.
Starforts, (or bastion forts), however were invented much earlier than 18th century. They were developed in late 15th century Italy and by 1530s started spreading in Europe. The first major battle which truly showed the effectiveness of a starfort was the defence of Pisa in 1500 against a combined Florentine and French army.
Modern History TV has a video on the waning effectiveness of the knight and the factors leading to it, including the rise in the use of firearms.
He doesn't go into specifics on the actual firearms, though. But it's interesting.
Here it is:
ruclips.net/video/_lNp46huiKk/видео.html
SonsOfLorgar The early flint locks started to appear in the 16th century, and will start to replace the match lock and the wheel lock systems from the early 17th century, so nowhere near the industrial era, you might be confusing them with the percussion lock. The wheel lock did appear after the match locks but didn't replace them, both these systems being replaced by the flint lock. The wheel lock was actually better than the flint lock but it was more complex thus harder to manufacure and maintain. The early firearms were as you said the handcannons those appeared in Europe in the late 14th century and were used until the invention of the match lock arquebus in the late 15th century. Fun fact: though handcannons appeared in Europe in the late 1300s, they were used in East Asia from the 13th century. And another fun fact: though most guns at that time were muzzle loaders there also existed breech loaders like the 14th century swivel gun and some rare examples of fire arms from the 16th century.
I had a joke about an Australian guy named John Lock, but I Lost it
You should put the lost in all caps.
L O S T
This was actually really interesting. I mean it ain’t no “SWORDS”, yet still i find interesting to find out the symbolism about the knighting ceremony. I honestly thought this ceremony was mostly Hollywood rubbish I must now go watch that other video this man has made! I’ll be off!
One thing I’ve seen in more modern knightings is the dubbing that reflects a change of name. For example: “Kneel John Smith, *sword tap* and arise Sir John Smith.” This emphasizes that knighthood isn’t just a title, but a part of who you are. It carries an expectation of embodying virtue and living up to what the title represents.
I hope you go back to the Abbey Medieval Festival next year, because I have enjoyed every video that you've gotten to make because of it a whole lot, and there's certainly no way I'm getting to the other side of the world to go myself, lol.
Same here. I'm not flying all the way to Australia!
Gotta say the armor in the beginning looked fantastic wish i could have gone! But y'know im in the US and plane tickets aren't cheap
you can find chain chain mail supplies fairly readily in the internet and a huge number of era and regional specific patterns that are glorious...and from those you can develop your own fantasy patterns and armor...
Just come over on an old boat, everybody else does.
Damn those greedy airline guilds, eh? 😋
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Hello Shad, James here from the video above. Thank you for your great work on this. I know i was tired and rambling a lot. Your editing was masterful :) I had no idea you were a celebrity, your humble approach made the interview with Jon and I very enjoyable.
Thank you for providing your knowledge to us.
@@trevorh6438 very interesting insight
Just plain wow. Lots of information packed in here. For entertainment value, though, I like the knighting ceremony in "The Court Jester". If you haven't seen it, take a few minutes.
I think the reenactment is lacking if you don't get to say, _Yea, verily yea._
I wish I could of came out to meet you but I live in the uk. I hope I can next time
thank you shad for sparking my interest in history.
Thanks, I've been working on a paper for this! This helps a lot
Best of luck on your paper
Thanks, this video has given me more materials to track down and study
Dont mention it my dude
Hello, I'm James from the video above, feel free to contact me if you need any more information.
But what about when Sir Patrick Stewart was knighted by the Queen, using a Klingon bat'leth?
Just got your book in the mail I love the attention to detail it has.
I actually had the luck to be able to attend a knighting earlier this year during a LARP Convention. Given that LARP itself is a lot less about historical accuracy than reenactment is (tells itself), it was still quite a moving moment seeing a squire i've been playing alongside for years get knighted and now that i start learning more about chivlary and the actual knighting ceremony i am buffled by how much efford and love for accuracy this group of players put into their characters.
I absolutely love your videos on Medieval culture and daily life (this includes knights, swords, castles, and armor). This is a period that is totally misrepresented by the media and popular entertainment. Could you start citing your sources? I definitely want to read more up on topics related to medieval life, and I'd like to know what books you found (and are finding) helpful.
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In this particular video, the lack of standardization is something I heard of before. It is interesting because whoever the knight served, in a more direct way, dictates what is chivalry. We romanticize this to the point where today, we think of chivalry as morality. But, just like with the Samurai, knights generally did whatever their lord told them too.
The part about retinues is great for explaining the main feature of the Knight variant of the Noble Background in 5th Edition Dungeons & Dragons.
What a fantastic video, thanks guys! It doesn't matter how many times I read something or watch a video on medieval life it always surprises me how intricate, colourful, and deep their societal rules and interactions were.
Again, thank you. Great video!
The left guy looks, sound and dresses up at least on the head like roche. That's cool
I was looking for this comment. Was thinking the exact same thing
Isn't John Locke an English philosopher?
Finally, i've been waiting for a video about this subject for ages.
Videos like this are my crack keep it up you have no idea how much you're helping me now.
Because they are not standardized, I'd love to see you do a video on the most common chivalric virtues and where they were most common. Not sure if you have access to that much info but it would be a fascinating watch.
To paraphrase our feudal writer (taught to write in his late 50s):
"Bravery is protecting yourself from another, chivalry is protecting another from yourself!"
(Јунаштво је када себе браним од другога, чојство је када другога браним од себе!)
- Марко Миљанов
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marko_Miljanov
Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. That is your oath. *slaps person across the face* And that is so you remember it
love your vids shad
Well done, Shad. Once again a great video on the base of real research
On the topic of misconceptions, I think squires themselves are a topic worth touching. In modern popculture, they are often depicted as nothing more than servants taking care of a knights armor, weapons and steeds etc. As such, they are often overlooked as insignificant figures. Who would pay attention to squires, eh?
this was down right awesome to watch!!
I just finished shadow of the conqueror, and I need another book from you, it was fantastic, I loved it
Fascinating. For me, probably one of the most engaging videos of yours to date other than the castle videos. Thank you.
I needed this for my own High Fantasy! Thanks Shad!
I FINALLY GOT THE BOOK!!!! Fantastic so far Shad!!!!
Excellent video
Wait you are telling me there is a bloke who is actually called John Locke, as in John Locke the Lost Character and famous English Philosopher.
I can't believe I had to scroll down this far to find this
For shure
He was one of my favourite characters on what could have potentially been the greatest TV series of all time.
Another treasure trove for aspiring authors! Thanks again for this, Shad.
On a similar subject, could you do a video on common medieval trades?
The economic duties expected of a knight in preparation for war could have stimulated industrialisation had history gone differently. Consider that all of a sudden labour is a scarce resource all of a sudden, along with materials, food, time & pretty much everything except that from which nobility derived most of their economic clout, which was land.
Just finished listening to your book for 2nd time, I must say it truly is amazing! Really great work! It truly felt like a Brandon Sanderson book and that really is the highest praise I can give any fantacy writer! Can't wait for book 2 :)
I already hyped for the next Abbey Medieval Festival, because the following Videos are so damn good and interesting.
So humans can be a knight.
BUT WHAT ABOUT DRAGONS!!?
Dragons have feelings too people. We cannot forget about the dragons.
Humanity First!
Because of their might, wisdom, and ability to conquer and defend territory, dragons are generally granted the title of Duke, Marquis, or equivalent. A young one "still on the rise" might start as low as Earl, but even a smaller dragon carries the military equivalence of a standing battalion by their presence and intimidation power alone.
They are by definition and the inevitability of their appetites, members of the noble landed class, certainly not a mere member of an order of knights, subject to human mores and limitations.
A kingdom cannot make or train dragons the way they can with knights. Dragons have to be recruited as personal allies of the crown, generally by offering them territory, herds of food animals and hunting grounds, esoteric libraries, and so on.
Read "The Dragon Knight" or "The Dragon and the George"
And then you have the kind of dragon that just wants to spend time with human peers. A lot of time.
@@Elyseon eg Julius Heartstriker, dragon of the Detroit Free Zone and Temeraire, dragon of the Royal Navy flying corps of the United Kingdom in their respective alternate universe.
I just finished your book, and quite enjoyed it.
Woah now those are really cool guys you talked to! I mean I enjoy you but I also really enjoyed them.
Shad I would love a video focused on the knights templar its an obsession of mine and you are one of the most knowledgeable people I know when it comes to the medieval period. Would be a joy to hear your take on them.
Wow, what a fascinating video and interview. This topic seems way more complicated and nuanced than I would have guessed.
Excellent content sir.
Very interesting video! nice to learn some new stuff!
Thank you really much! Your content is great :)
In my town (Ariccia, near Rome) there is a knightly order, the knights of St. Apollonia, it's a religious charitable organization, the only thing they do is to organize the town yearly festival and parade the statue of the saint around town, its members are regular people, shop owners, mechanics etc. and the order is recent, founded in the 30's, but they are officially recognized by the catholic church, and the members are knighted by the bishop, that means that technically they are actual knights!😁
P.S: in my town there are no medieval festivals since the town got depopulated after the fall of the western empire, and got repopulated only in the 1600's so we got no medieval history to remember.
@John Saf almost completley abandoned. It was the Chigi pope Alexander VII who repopulated it by bringing people in from Tuscany. Many people here are their descendants.
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Awesome!
Shad, please will you do a bookshelf tour/book collection video? I want to see all your fantasy books in all their glory!
Very interesting people for a very interesting video. Thank you for letting us benefit from all the research they did.
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Huzzah! another video!
Shad should be knighted by a Sword made of Machicolations. Great video Shad, love seeing your uploads I always get taught something new.
Dear Shad,
You should watch the show “Merlin” and give a rundown on how historically accurate it is.
The castle also has maaaaaaatttttriiiiiculaaaaaaaaatttttttttionnnnssssssss!!!!!!!
It's not very accurate at all... It does some things alright, but we see many atrocious 'crimes' in there. But it'd still be fun watch a video about it, though.
Such as Gias?
As in is profession.
@@mralfey
Gias? You mean Gaius? If so, no I don't mean that, obviously. It's fantasy, it could pass by. Talking about functional breaking stuff like Percival's "tank top" chainmail, and it's not the only case. Alas, there's just too many idiotic things in that show, it's not to be taken seriously as a historical reference. However, it's still a good show IMO.
Machicolations dear sir not matriculations sorry.
That was an other amazing video. :D
Thankyou for this vid. I did not understand as much as I thought I did;.
This channel is in the Top Five of most useful for world building I swear
You are like the best historian I have ever learnt from.
Fascinating stuff! This got me wondering: how did one become a noble? How was the status possible to attain if you were born outside it? How do noble lines get started? I hope you answer these questions in a future video! Keep up the stellar content :)
World War I Flying Ace Well, Joan of Arc was ennobled thanks to her actions defending France but that would be a special case, I would think
Really interesting video. Thanks so much for doing the interview and asking some really interesting questions. Awkward editing cuts though, sometimes was a bit jarring. But awesome video and thanks for taking the time to do it.
Hello, James from the video above, the awkward cutting is actually my fault, i was very tired and had long pauses when talking :)
If this sorta content keeps up, the next LARP will be INSANELY GOOD!
Hi Shad. I was wondering what would some of the best, and perhaps THE best materials for a gambeson. What, i suppose would allow for the maximum protection and flexibility. Love your work, keep it up!
You are a hero my friend
hey Shad, I just wanted to let you now that I just got your book last week and I hardly have put it down.
For all the problems in Kingdom of Heaven, it still looks absolutely gorgeous.
Rin- Joh I actually love the movie, in the context of it being historical fiction with a philosophical theme. Yes, it’s beautiful, but I love it on a deeper level myself, mangled history or not.
This is one of your better videos IMO. I received my Knighting from the Order of the Knights of Pythias.
I recently attended to the Medieval week in Sweden Gotland, it was a blast, we saw a knight tournament and a recreational battle (Battle in Visby)
Unfortunately there weren't any Knighting ceremony.
SHAD! START YOUR OWN MICRONATION!
Yes. He should.
Those interview edits were more harrowing than a sword fight.
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Finally finished shadow of the conqueror. The last act of the book is super strong! Looking forward to the sequel ;)
Shad do a video on if there are advantages to left handed fighters during combat with weapons in history.
ahh, thanks, You made me wanna watch Kingdom of Heaven yet again
Hey, Shad, will you be doing videos about one of the other ceremonies involving swords, like the history of the wedding ceremony thing still done by the U.S. Marine Corps? Have you done any videos about the history of the military salute? While is US Air Force basic training (forever ago), I learned the salute was a descendant of knights lifting their helmet visors to acknowledge each other on the battlefield. It's one of the bits of history that's survived the ages, like uniform patches and their relation to the embroidered heraldry of the Middle Ages, or how junior ranking soldiers always stand to the left of their seniors to avoid striking them while drawing one's sword. P.S. I recommended your channel to one of my childhood friends, he's a military history nerd, so I knew he'd love the subject matter.
Goddamnit... Jaime wearing Rob's suit of armor... Lady Stoneheart rolling in whatever grave D&D stuffed her in
Shad! Could you review Game of Thrones in terms of historical realism and logical consistency?
Hello if you see this Shad.
I was wondering if you could take a look at the TV show "Merlin" and it's take on Arthurian legend, fantasy and the medival time period.
After seeing your cloak and cape video as well as the video regarding the meet and great I think you would have fun with it.
Also, I picked up your book and although I'm not that far into it yet, the world building is fantastic and the similarities in it to our own world and fantasy is brilliant.
Krimzon Hunt I mean it's not meant to be a historically accurate series so crimes against realism might not work. It would be interesting though, that was my jam when I was younger
Great video as always Shad, but, speaking of "Knight", will we see anything about "Knightfall" after it's new season?
I myself see chivalry as a collection of virtues one would/could/should look towards, whenever they felt lost or uncertain on things.
For example, the virtue of Generosity in the code deals with more than just giving money or food to others. It's also about how much time, attention and/or care you give them. If you take time out of your schedule to offer up assistance to someone or simply be a shoulder for them to cry on, THAT is also an example of generosity.
I will admit however, that there has been ONE virtue from ALL forms of the code through out the world; be it chivalry, Bushido or any other. For years, I've long wondered what the virtue of Honor truly meant. Does it mean that you should perform certain actions in a respectable and dignified manner or that you should be selfless
You should do a video analyzing the armors of the Knights of the zodiac and one making them practical.
Very cool. I'm getting initiated into the Royal Order of Kamehameha I in January. It's more honorarium, but still.
Thank You for the information Lord Shad! I have a question for you: Have you seen the movie: jack the giant slayer? I would love do hear you opinion over that movie + Some certain (like the castle assault part) scenes.
I'm into dungeons & dragons one of my characters is a night thank you for this so I know what to write down
thanks for the videos. i have been able to educate friends on the proper ways oh full plate armor. as in a knight not needing a high powered modern crane to get on its horse but that its rather as light as a soldiers backpack :D
I'd like to hear more about the monetary system, prominence of coinage, means and ways of exchange and whether banks and whatnot were much of a thing in the medieval period, as they had banks in Rome, at least, though not always with good results.
The Templars rather famously had a banking system. Originally sent up so that pilgrims didn't have to take their wealth with them to the Holy Land, they could make deposit before the trip the a withdrawal when they got there. They ended up loaning out money.
Hey Shad, love your channel. I have a question for you: how would you design your Ideal castle?
It’s up to you to pick your terrain and you have unlimited budget and manpower.
in germany you say Ritterschlag to knighting what translat word by word in knightslap or knightpunch.
I understand that Shad’s writing A rather excellent book on medieval weaponry, if you’re into that sword of thing