I am a bit old school. My dream engine will always be a Harris performance engines pinto. Proper old school. They just work. With twin carbs they just sound awesome!!
@ just proper old school. My perfect car would be a mk2 escort in carnival red with rs 2000 interior flat front and Harris 2.2 with cosworth gearbox and 6 link rear end with 2.8 front legs and discs all round but as you said that is big money now. If only I kept my mk2 back in the day. Back then they were pennys. Gutted. To build the same car I had back then would be over 40 grand!!!!!!!!!!
They are so expensive mate!! 🙁 Im grateful to be in a position to still own mine, but none of it makes financial sense at all. I live everyday barely one step ahead of bankruptcy, but at least Iv got my videos to look back at when Im eventually forced to sell up. 😃
@@marcushayesford mate your cars are legends and even if you do ever get to a position that you have to sell it hem you will have a whole channel of memories!!👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻keep up the great work mate!!!
Ive sat in Escorts with Toovey, Millington, Smith & Jones, S2000, but by far the best engine is the one that was in Rogers Escort (FLK 1T) the Volvo two valve Evo engine, so much torque pulls like a train, a bit heavier and taller though.
If your competing and are just looking for the cheapest way to pick up a trophy, the Honda K24 with a k20 head is impossible to beat. Having that variable valve timing when it's constantly modulated is something no other motor can offer. Though if your running a 6sp sequential box the motor is never going to drop out of it's torque band, so a wider spread of torque at the cost of power, is irrelevant
HP sounds good down the pub, but for a road car it's torque and a good spread of it over the rev range that makes an engine nice to drive on the road. To get n/a high power you need big revs and big cams which destroy the low down torque for a road car, (although vvt and modern engine management systems can overcome some of this).
Both the millington 2.5 and KGP 2.5 are exclusively used in rally cars so it doesnt really matter about torque as much. Of course its still important but nowhere near as important as a road car.
The mighty barra. I've recently finished putting one into a 1993 Holden Commodore which is called a Vauxhall Carlton there? With very basic mods and a G42 turbo it made 800hp, 1000nm torque @23psi.
A barra would be terrible, its a heavy straight 6. Great in a big car, terrible for an escort or manta. A carlton weighs basically double a lightweight mk1/2 escort.
@sneekeruk I guess it depends what the Escort is built for. There's a few here with Barras in them. One being a Mk1 panel van that runs 8's. Seeing what's around the pointy end at drags and roll racing, the SR20 with DE cylinder head and G35-900 turbo would be very hard to top in a street registered Escort. 1JZ would be awesome too. Technically the power to weight rules wouldn't allow a JZ but there's plenty of lightweight street cars running them. The official Commodore kerb weight is 1275kg with an all-iron Buick V6 engine. After the barra conversion and upgrades, it weighs 1400kg.
Mk Escort rally car with a Diamond Millington engine, and all modern day equipment is what I am working towards. But if a KGP engine would be better value and bring that dream closer, then that’s the path I would travel. I’m Irish too so buying Irish would be a bonus, but again, it’s all about value.
He’s been building great engines for a good while. Camillus Bradley Motorsport also sell them and he also has a very spicy Mk2 rally car running it. Both the engine builders car and Camillus car feature on RUclips doing various rallies in Ireland.
Grew up in the far reaches of the empire in New Zealand in the 80s on a diet of MK 1 1600 gt ,mk1 capri 1600 gt ,then my Mk2 wagon rebuilt pinto mild cam jetted V6 capri Carby ,xflow flywheel clutch box and stock locked 3.7 diff on Mk2 ghia alloys with 185 x 60 x 13 semi slick yokos ,sadley got tboned then it was over to the dark side with Mazda Sa22 Rx7 12a 5 speed x 8 ,then commodores then Nissan Laurals and Cefiro ,now daily drive NB Miata 1800 vvi 6 spd ,torson diff 15 x7 drift tek 205 x 50 x 15 ,hard to beat and has the lap recored on a road iv been driving on for last 40 years
Loving the MH NEWS mate great videos , for me engineers wise a n/a cossie lump ❤ Roll on tomorrow mate for the unveiling of the mk1 escort looking forward to your breaking news 😂 👍🏻👍🏻
Race engines are great but belong in race cars with sequential gearboxes & all the whistles, you can road them but they don’t work. They all need regular inspections with shells/rings/pistons/liners etc. Millington are purpose designed/built & optimum compared to a YB. For road use I’d either go Duratec around 225bhp or a 2.3 ecoboost from the mk3 focus RS/mustang. Non Ford, Honda K24 turbo or XE, possibly a VAG MQB EA 888 but not seen anyone turn one into rwd yet.
Sure and they offer new billet block so they are best.over millington and kgp engines. They delivery two new 2,7l unit to UK rsr escorts, let see how good they are circuit race.
The current millingtons are cracking blocks every couple of events in Ireland. I’ve seen a few radiators with the black stuff in the radiators. I’ve used millington and recently the KGP XE & the KGP YB. The power is there but the reliability and customer service is un comparable!
Problem is solved, take duratec billet block, billet crank, install OMSE special casting head assembly belt drive conversion, billet itb injection set up, that is dream engine what money can get. 👍
Great video and explanations. As you say power is torque x speed, so use low gearing and high revs to maximise power, but as you also explained its actually torque (i.e. twisting force) that makes you accelerate as acceleration is proportional to the torque (one if Newtons laws). See if you can put more pics and film clips into these videos. Would be good to make a historical video of all the engines used in the Escort and explaining (by showing us pics) e.g. pushrods and overhead cams etc. Well my own car is a MK4 Mondeo with the Mazda design Duratech . . . Hmmm I'd like the 2.5 volvo engine with five cylinders and a hydraulic auto box to save my gammy legs. Anybody put that engine in an Escort? Sure you have enough film clips already to show the different engines? The more the merrier.
I have an E46 coupe which is parked up atm , my unobtanium would be an E46 M3 the big brother to my 6 pot . This is basically because i grew up wathing Mk1 &2 Escorts in the forests . And there are similarities tbh . If it was an Escort i agree with your choice
Often folks think the engine is key. Tyres wheels first, shocks, brakes, diff next, gearbox and finally engine. Get a good engine and can't use it but worst is your wearing it out while you are sorting rest of driveline and handling. Sort your car and then get your engine.
I got a 2.3 4cyl. petrol transit with the 2.3 galaxy lump and was verryy smooth until i got hold ov it and is 150 bhp bottom line ,i wonder what this engine could produce with mods let me know
Smith & Jones blocks and heads for sure, only one guy making those blocks and heads . Just go direct to Will at S&J and buy all the bits then any decent builder can put it together . Ive got a 2.6 S&J ..made 366hp 252 torque. Better option than a Millington which are a real pain to run .
ruclips.net/video/AxR30dqUQPg/видео.htmlsi=Q993gEql1-u1sbE9 This lump is now workshop, std is 2,0 but it will be bored and stroked billet crank out 2,6 or 2,7 n/a application, goal is 370+hp. Doch head is one perfect what i have seen, chamber is unique and valve angles is better than yb's and millington heads, only valve size +2mm in 1mm ex and port work, head flow massive numbers. I,m not use steel conrods because typical weight is each 500gram. This engine become special alloy rods about 300gram, all four rods give 800gram less rotation mass, so engine can revs more and throttle responce is faster.
The dry sumped 1700 crossflow I used to have in my Mk2 (before I was on RUclips) was my favourite ever engine. It only made 145 bhp but it was so aggressive and the sound was EPIC! 😍
I'd be tempted to try Koenigsegg's LFG (Little Friendly Giant) three-pot engine with electronically actuated valvetrain. Said to put out like 600 Bhp... Mated to a 6 speed Tremec. How's that?
I’m running a 2.5 Duratec, throttle bodies and a tune took it over 200bhp on a standard bottom end, once I added in cams and head work it was knocking on the doors of 260bhp. That’s enough for the roads, you don’t want a million dollar race engine unless you’re going racing, unless you’re at peak RPM’s all the time it’s pointless. The same with a 200hp pinto, it would drive like a pig on the street, and it would cost a ridiculous amount to get there and unless you were flat out everywhere you went it would be worthless and ruin the ability to just cruise. In my opinion turbos ruin the characteristics, na is the way forward and don’t bother with something like a V6, that just upsets the handling characteristics of the car by being too heavy in the front. It’s only a little car, you don’t need big power. 250bhp is plenty and easy to get to.
Service intervals aren't the same for road use, this is why they've been pretty successful fitting them into road MST cars. They don't tune them for peak revs/horsepower, they try to get the biggest spread of torque, which makes them tractable and surprisingly good for the road. An alloy V6 is lighter than a steel blocked YB.
I'm thinking a screw type supercharger would be better than a turbo' for the very reasons you put forward. For most people who use their cars on the road, the big lower rpm torque gains will be a much better trade of than more power higher up - especially as the latter is more likely to attract undesireable attention from the "authorities". Same thing with noisy exhausts - give up a little bit of peak for a much more pleasant drive - I did run open exhausts as a youngster, at times, but hiding from the coppers gets tiring quickly.
@@JohnDowd-z3j Really good and drivability is great, UK seem most popular engines Millington, Smith/Jones,Kgp, Vauxhall xe, bda/bdg, Pinto, Honda, them Duratec just underrated engine, however it is great rally and circuit race engine.
The 3.0 V6 Duratec would be a Great Conversion considering you can pick one up for under a Grand, add some Throttle bodies and have 280bhp with Torque and Sound Fabulous!!
@g0fvt Yeah, I believe the block itself is 31kg. It Seems strange Ford fans who want to Engine Swap there Sierras or Escorts haven't gone down this path. £500-£1000 isn't a lot of Money for Porsche/Cosworth derived Engine with a 250-280bhp Engine which has potential for 450bhp Turbocharged or 800+ with Forged Internals. Seems crazy!
There is a rule that then max size of a swapped engine can't be more than 25% bigger than the largest engine used in that car originally. MSUK 48.2.6. Hence for a 2.0 it is 2.5 max
The dream engine is whatever was available for those model Escorts be it bone stock or modified.They all worked well in the day being at the top of the tree for rallying or circuit racing. However your money your choice.
Maybe the Irish rally lads find it easier to deal with a company in Ireland, as far as rolling road tuning and sending them back to be freshened up etc?
That was me that had left that comment, about people goting for kgp over millington, issue is that most of these engines are being driven to the limmit in Ireland and sending a milligton to england for the rebuild isnt always easy, so why when in alot of cases the kgp lump is leaving the millington behind in times why would you send the what seems to be lesser engine to England when you can send it to a more local man whos reputation hasnt went to his head yet, is easier worked with, also from numbers ive been told by people who have bought both, millington costs just over 40k by the time youve bought everything for their warranty, kgp is about 36-38
KGP are rebadged Smith & Jones, they buy the block and head direct. The insides are cast differently to a normal YB so the ports can be sized to suit. You won't get the same power from a YB head.
@dannym85 will recast the head to his own design, they are way different to a normal YB, you can't shape a port in a standard yb head to flow enough. These heads are supplied to KGP, oppliger and various others including the block.
How does MST justify selling street cars with Millington 2.5s? I was told by the owner of MST the Millingtons would last forever. I think the rebuild interval may be just for rallying and it's a mere service not a full rebuild.
I always felt N/A engines are a waste of money after my 1st ride in a turbo car. Boost makes even a diesel engine appealing lol £30k gets you one heck of a boosted engine, turbo'd or supercharged or both 😉 Worth mentioning Honda F20c and K24. These are near on 220nm as standard.. surely this is a better starting point than a pinto-based engine that's been around since Jesus was line-manager at Dagenham?
It wouldn't be allowed in the regulations here in ireland. A turbo car has a multiplier of i think 1.4. so a 2.0L would be 2.8, as 2x1.4 = 2.8. I'm pretty sure its been done for road cars but just not suited to rally cars.
1000 miles of special stages are not 1K miles of road ! in a rally, for 100 miles of stages, you drive generally around 300 miles on road, and the road drive is more less hard for the engine than the stage drive; so you can consider than 1K miles of stages on a rally car is more or less 4 to 5K miles on a road car. But again very expensive to drive a Millington Diamond !
Max torque is almost irrelevant. It measures the best twisting torque the crank can produce. Say it's 250 ft lbs at 5000rpm. That same engine might rev out to 10000rpm but drops torque to 200 ftlbs. So engine running 100% faster but only drops 20% You are still putting out 80% of max torque but twice as many turns means 160% more "work" available. What matters is drivability. The ability of engine to respond to your right pedal.
They both have their good points. Millington diamond has a lot of punch bottom end, where as a KGP will pull for longer and rev stronger. The main reason why I would choose a KGP over millington especially in the last 12 months is customer service. To many problems with the millington engines at the minute after rebuilds, seems to all have gone down hill the last 12 months or so. Kevin at KGP is such a great bloke to deal with and is on the phone after every event, congratulating the good results. He’s always there when he’s needed and he will go above and beyond to make sure you’re always happy, you can not fault him. As for the engine itself, when you’re spending £30k you want a decent amount of reliability to reach the 1000 rebuild guide and that’s why KGP will always get my vote. I’ll add 1000 miles is a guide for COMPETITIVE miles, not liaison or normal miles. Fact check - KGP isn’t Donegal based 😉
@ CO Donegal, yes. Not Donegal itself as the video clearly highlights on the map! , it’s a whole 70km away from Donegal itself , and another 30km from letterkenny. 😉
Toyota have a 1.6 3 cylinder engine that has been tuned to 600 bhp. Its the engine in the GR Yaris. There are lots on UK roads doing well over 350 bhp and ... its a Toyota!!!
Nearly 30 years ago I bought a mk 2 escort and in the years since I've spent endless hours day dreaming about finally getting round to affording and fitting a BDA in it Still have the car but I've abandoned the BDA dream For a few k you can get close to 300bhp reliably thanks to the little yellow chaps
A BDA has got to be the coolest engine to put in an Escort, but defo not the best bang for buck. . . . . . Forgive my ignorance but what are the 'little yellow chaps'??? Do you mean yellow injectors in a Cossie?? 🤔
@marcushayesford yeh I know, short of a lottery win it's totally unrealistic anyway. The little yellow chaps in Japan when Ford were doing the 170 Hondas economy unit was 160hp Not hating on Ford or anything. My point basically was I was so obsessed with ford for so long that I completely overlooked a boat load of cheep, high performance and reliable units. The news posts are a great idea BTW
The engine wouldn't be suited to a rally car at all though. The turbo engine wouldn't be allowed and the 400hp NA would only be for highly strung drag engines that only run for less than 10 seconds at full power.
Did you knkw the English tax payer funded the kseries engines and others 3.5 billion pounds to rover development just to hand over to Japanese , you know the ones with conce.tratikn camps for our soldiers ww2
Yep those 2.5 full house engines are on a different level in terms of real figures and torque etc.... Furthest ive ever got to is the "poor man's millington" as i call it in my mk2.... Vauxhall xe with a frontera 94mm crank and 88mm bore making just under 2.3 (2288cc)....steel rods, slipper pistons, cnc head, 2mm oversize valves, etc ....making in or around 250 bhp and more importantly 200 ft lbs when its healthy... You were actually in it for a quick blast marcus......not exactly slow for something that cost about a third of one of the above mentioned engines... Despite the fact that the xe can get a bit of hate from the purists, one thing that cant be disputed is theyre reliability......ive had massive service from mine for the last 15 years without ever spending a big fortune, and its seen some punishment i its time!!😅😅 A lot of vauxhall xe engines still in escort rallycars in ireland, down to theyre reliability and cost effectiveness no doubt, although some parts are getting thin on the ground at this stage... My dream engine would be a full house BDG on slide throttles for the pure soundtrack from it on full chat...😎😎😎
Seriously capable engines mate! 👍 A lot of people state that they are over 200 bhp n/a. But my argument is that a lot of engines would make that power if you make them capable of revving to 9K. 😃
One best option is 2,5 belt drive duratec, just like Tim Mewett escort mk2 is powered that, amazing engine! 👍 ruclips.net/user/shortsTSwJRwrMCUQ?si=M49PgYuuA7Cou4o9 south down rally result tell all, car was fastest 2wd.
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Im in Japan and have been drooling over MIillingtons for years! I just asked about KGP vs 2.5 MD Engines. This is amazing. Thank you!!
I am a bit old school. My dream engine will always be a Harris performance engines pinto. Proper old school. They just work. With twin carbs they just sound awesome!!
A top spec Harris Pinto turns an Escort into an ANIMAL!!! 😃 You need deep pockets but they'r cheap compared to a Millington.
@ just proper old school. My perfect car would be a mk2 escort in carnival red with rs 2000 interior flat front and Harris 2.2 with cosworth gearbox and 6 link rear end with 2.8 front legs and discs all round but as you said that is big money now. If only I kept my mk2 back in the day. Back then they were pennys. Gutted. To build the same car I had back then would be over 40 grand!!!!!!!!!!
They are so expensive mate!! 🙁 Im grateful to be in a position to still own mine, but none of it makes financial sense at all. I live everyday barely one step ahead of bankruptcy, but at least Iv got my videos to look back at when Im eventually forced to sell up. 😃
@@marcushayesford mate your cars are legends and even if you do ever get to a position that you have to sell it hem you will have a whole channel of memories!!👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻keep up the great work mate!!!
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For me, it has to be a BDG, the induction noise from those engines makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
Great video Markus very interesting, im looking to build a 2.5 na when i win the lottery 😂
Feck me I got a notification this evening. I must be off YT's naughty step 😂😂😂😂
Well done RUclips!! 👍👍👍 . . . Facebook and Instagram are down this evening tho! ☹️
Ive sat in Escorts with Toovey, Millington, Smith & Jones, S2000, but by far the best engine is the one that was in Rogers Escort (FLK 1T) the Volvo two valve Evo engine, so much torque pulls like a train, a bit heavier and taller though.
Love the channel matey . I would go 320d msport and box stage 1 mapped 220 bhp torque 330lbs plus a 6 speed box more then enough.
If your competing and are just looking for the cheapest way to pick up a trophy, the Honda K24 with a k20 head is impossible to beat. Having that variable valve timing when it's constantly modulated is something no other motor can offer.
Though if your running a 6sp sequential box the motor is never going to drop out of it's torque band, so a wider spread of torque at the cost of power, is irrelevant
Loving the new intro music Marcus, and yess can we get an engine sponsorship for one of Marcuses escorts. 😊
. . . . .Still waiting for that email mate! 😃
HP sounds good down the pub, but for a road car it's torque and a good spread of it over the rev range that makes an engine nice to drive on the road.
To get n/a high power you need big revs and big cams which destroy the low down torque for a road car, (although vvt and modern engine management systems can overcome some of this).
Both the millington 2.5 and KGP 2.5 are exclusively used in rally cars so it doesnt really matter about torque as much. Of course its still important but nowhere near as important as a road car.
The mighty barra. I've recently finished putting one into a 1993 Holden Commodore which is called a Vauxhall Carlton there? With very basic mods and a G42 turbo it made 800hp, 1000nm torque @23psi.
A barra would be terrible, its a heavy straight 6. Great in a big car, terrible for an escort or manta. A carlton weighs basically double a lightweight mk1/2 escort.
@sneekeruk I guess it depends what the Escort is built for. There's a few here with Barras in them. One being a Mk1 panel van that runs 8's. Seeing what's around the pointy end at drags and roll racing, the SR20 with DE cylinder head and G35-900 turbo would be very hard to top in a street registered Escort. 1JZ would be awesome too. Technically the power to weight rules wouldn't allow a JZ but there's plenty of lightweight street cars running them. The official Commodore kerb weight is 1275kg with an all-iron Buick V6 engine. After the barra conversion and upgrades, it weighs 1400kg.
These new blocks are stronger, propper trick.
Great video well geeked out to this one
Kgp 2.5 engines are around 32k plus vat I believe
4 Cylinder Honda K24 has lots of market support.
Its time to put these two engines to the test back to Ireland you go no shortage of mk2 escorts over there to choose from, some fun and results.
My 3 favourite engines, this is cars and a bikes, yb Cossie, V6 Granada Cossie and the Suzuki RGV250
The 3 cylinder Toyota is pretty amazing. Its tiny, light and even in stock 260 hp is fantastic. Some people have tuned them to 900+hp.
My mk2 rs2000 in Rivera blue has the engine that it came out of the factory with a lovely pinto standard she pulls well
Mk Escort rally car with a Diamond Millington engine, and all modern day equipment is what I am working towards. But if a KGP engine would be better value and bring that dream closer, then that’s the path I would travel. I’m Irish too so buying Irish would be a bonus, but again, it’s all about value.
He’s been building great engines for a good while. Camillus Bradley Motorsport also sell them and he also has a very spicy Mk2 rally car running it. Both the engine builders car and Camillus car feature on RUclips doing various rallies in Ireland.
Yes the KGP engine I saw for sale on Facebook was from C Bradley. 👍
Grew up in the far reaches of the empire in New Zealand in the 80s on a diet of MK 1 1600 gt ,mk1 capri 1600 gt ,then my Mk2 wagon rebuilt pinto mild cam jetted V6 capri Carby ,xflow flywheel clutch box and stock locked 3.7 diff on Mk2 ghia alloys with 185 x 60 x 13 semi slick yokos ,sadley got tboned then it was over to the dark side with Mazda Sa22 Rx7 12a 5 speed x 8 ,then commodores then Nissan Laurals and Cefiro ,now daily drive NB Miata 1800 vvi 6 spd ,torson diff 15 x7 drift tek 205 x 50 x 15 ,hard to beat and has the lap recored on a road iv been driving on for last 40 years
Loving the MH NEWS mate great videos , for me engineers wise a n/a cossie lump ❤
Roll on tomorrow mate for the unveiling of the mk1 escort looking forward to your breaking news 😂 👍🏻👍🏻
The #mhnews vids seem to be doing well mate, glad you are enjoying them. Im certainly enjoying making them. 👍
Race engines are great but belong in race cars with sequential gearboxes & all the whistles, you can road them but they don’t work. They all need regular inspections with shells/rings/pistons/liners etc. Millington are purpose designed/built & optimum compared to a YB. For road use I’d either go Duratec around 225bhp or a 2.3 ecoboost from the mk3 focus RS/mustang. Non Ford, Honda K24 turbo or XE, possibly a VAG MQB EA 888 but not seen anyone turn one into rwd yet.
look into esslinger engineering pretty beastly engines
Sure and they offer new billet block so they are best.over millington and kgp engines. They delivery two new 2,7l unit to UK rsr escorts, let see how good they are circuit race.
I used to machine billet cranks for Millingtons.
Nice!! 👍 You are partly responsible for a whole load of horse power! 😃
@marcushayesford
Used to do all sorts of stuff, from Austin 7s to V10 F1 cranks.
I always wanted a DBG
Swindon might be a nice affordable transplant
A harris Pinto or N/A COSSIE or a rare warrior headed pinto would be my choices big cc's =torque
All awesome choices mate! 👍
I know the owner of the engines of Kgp very well built done work experience with him
My dad had a68 gt cortina from new i restored it 24 years later snd ran it for 6 years had a very spicy kent built by dan daly in co meath.
Nice! 👍 Was that a pre-crossflow lump??? 🤔
The current millingtons are cracking blocks every couple of events in Ireland. I’ve seen a few radiators with the black stuff in the radiators. I’ve used millington and recently the KGP XE & the KGP YB. The power is there but the reliability and customer service is un comparable!
Problem is solved, take duratec billet block, billet crank, install OMSE special casting head assembly belt drive conversion, billet itb injection set up, that is dream engine what money can get. 👍
Great video and explanations. As you say power is torque x speed, so use low gearing and high revs to maximise power, but as you also explained its actually torque (i.e. twisting force) that makes you accelerate as acceleration is proportional to the torque (one if Newtons laws). See if you can put more pics and film clips into these videos. Would be good to make a historical video of all the engines used in the Escort and explaining (by showing us pics) e.g. pushrods and overhead cams etc. Well my own car is a MK4 Mondeo with the Mazda design Duratech . . . Hmmm I'd like the 2.5 volvo engine with five cylinders and a hydraulic auto box to save my gammy legs. Anybody put that engine in an Escort? Sure you have enough film clips already to show the different engines? The more the merrier.
Smith and Jones YB NA lump, what we are running in our Gartac G3.
Very nice!! 😍 RWD Mk3 for the win! 😃
I have an E46 coupe which is parked up atm , my unobtanium would be an E46 M3 the big brother to my 6 pot . This is basically because i grew up wathing Mk1 &2 Escorts in the forests . And there are similarities tbh . If it was an Escort i agree with your choice
John Read builds the best 2ltr Vauxhall motor and his 2.5 vauxhall are a match for a Millington.
There is also Shillaber engineering and Paul Dunnel their duratecs are high power engines.
@@stranger-j7j Mark also builds good motors. Both Mark and John are local to me.
All lot of drivers over here would choose a KGP over a millington!
Often folks think the engine is key. Tyres wheels first, shocks, brakes, diff next, gearbox and finally engine. Get a good engine and can't use it but worst is your wearing it out while you are sorting rest of driveline and handling. Sort your car and then get your engine.
I got a 2.3 4cyl. petrol transit with the 2.3 galaxy lump and was verryy smooth until i got hold ov it and is 150 bhp bottom line ,i wonder what this engine could produce with mods let me know
Smith & Jones blocks and heads for sure, only one guy making those blocks and heads .
Just go direct to Will at S&J and buy all the bits then any decent builder can put it together .
Ive got a 2.6 S&J ..made 366hp 252 torque.
Better option than a Millington which are a real pain to run .
ruclips.net/video/AxR30dqUQPg/видео.htmlsi=Q993gEql1-u1sbE9 This lump is now workshop, std is 2,0 but it will be bored and stroked billet crank out 2,6 or 2,7 n/a application, goal is 370+hp. Doch head is one perfect what i have seen, chamber is unique and valve angles is better than yb's and millington heads, only valve size +2mm in 1mm ex and port work, head flow massive numbers. I,m not use steel conrods because typical weight is each 500gram. This engine become special alloy rods about 300gram, all four rods give 800gram less rotation mass, so engine can revs more and throttle responce is faster.
It does feel like for the price of a millington you'd expect a billet block tbh
Nk1 or 2 escort 1760 crossflow my dream car/engine set up
The dry sumped 1700 crossflow I used to have in my Mk2 (before I was on RUclips) was my favourite ever engine. It only made 145 bhp but it was so aggressive and the sound was EPIC! 😍
I'd be tempted to try Koenigsegg's LFG (Little Friendly Giant) three-pot engine with electronically actuated valvetrain. Said to put out like 600 Bhp... Mated to a 6 speed Tremec. How's that?
I’m running a 2.5 Duratec, throttle bodies and a tune took it over 200bhp on a standard bottom end, once I added in cams and head work it was knocking on the doors of 260bhp. That’s enough for the roads, you don’t want a million dollar race engine unless you’re going racing, unless you’re at peak RPM’s all the time it’s pointless. The same with a 200hp pinto, it would drive like a pig on the street, and it would cost a ridiculous amount to get there and unless you were flat out everywhere you went it would be worthless and ruin the ability to just cruise. In my opinion turbos ruin the characteristics, na is the way forward and don’t bother with something like a V6, that just upsets the handling characteristics of the car by being too heavy in the front. It’s only a little car, you don’t need big power. 250bhp is plenty and easy to get to.
Service intervals aren't the same for road use, this is why they've been pretty successful fitting them into road MST cars. They don't tune them for peak revs/horsepower, they try to get the biggest spread of torque, which makes them tractable and surprisingly good for the road. An alloy V6 is lighter than a steel blocked YB.
I'm thinking a screw type supercharger would be better than a turbo' for the very reasons you put forward.
For most people who use their cars on the road, the big lower rpm torque gains will be a much better trade of than more power higher up - especially as the latter is more likely to attract undesireable attention from the "authorities".
Same thing with noisy exhausts - give up a little bit of peak for a much more pleasant drive - I did run open exhausts as a youngster, at times, but hiding from the coppers gets tiring quickly.
Duratecs are great option any capacity 2,4 2,5 2,6 2,7 with belt drive cams, they make enough power 350+hp and best torque band,
My 2 litre duratec is 292hp.
@@JohnDowd-z3j Really good and drivability is great, UK seem most popular engines Millington, Smith/Jones,Kgp, Vauxhall xe, bda/bdg, Pinto, Honda, them Duratec just underrated engine, however it is great rally and circuit race engine.
The 3.0 V6 Duratec would be a Great Conversion considering you can pick one up for under a Grand, add some Throttle bodies and have 280bhp with Torque and Sound Fabulous!!
A very light engine too, a lot going for them.
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Yeah, I believe the block itself is 31kg.
It Seems strange Ford fans who want to Engine Swap there Sierras or Escorts haven't gone down this path. £500-£1000 isn't a lot of Money for Porsche/Cosworth derived Engine with a 250-280bhp Engine which has potential for 450bhp Turbocharged or 800+ with Forged Internals. Seems crazy!
There is a rule that then max size of a swapped engine can't be more than 25% bigger than the largest engine used in that car originally. MSUK 48.2.6.
Hence for a 2.0 it is 2.5 max
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Never Heard of this rule. There are Putting LS's in their MX5'S with no issues?
@@alfa164ls quite a boring rule for a Motorsport body, I must admit that I was unaware of it.
Frank Kelly would tell you better why he has a Millington over a KGP? Both are very popular in Ireland
As will Paulo Dianna with his Fiat 131
Smith &Jones blocks and heads ,205 small core plugs where rs500 locks
Just had a look on their website. The Cossie lumps will be around forever!! 😃
The dream engine is whatever was available for those model Escorts be it bone stock or modified.They all worked well in the day being at the top of the tree for rallying or circuit racing. However your money your choice.
Maybe the Irish rally lads find it easier to deal with a company in Ireland, as far as rolling road tuning and sending them back to be freshened up etc?
You have heard of the K20 yea?
That was me that had left that comment, about people goting for kgp over millington, issue is that most of these engines are being driven to the limmit in Ireland and sending a milligton to england for the rebuild isnt always easy, so why when in alot of cases the kgp lump is leaving the millington behind in times why would you send the what seems to be lesser engine to England when you can send it to a more local man whos reputation hasnt went to his head yet, is easier worked with, also from numbers ive been told by people who have bought both, millington costs just over 40k by the time youve bought everything for their warranty, kgp is about 36-38
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Mk7 st180 engine forged big turbo injectors and a diff 380bhp in the escort fookin flies and can all be done exept a good diff for 3.5k
Thats really good bang for buck! 😃
Cosworth YB turbo for me
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KGP are rebadged Smith & Jones, they buy the block and head direct. The insides are cast differently to a normal YB so the ports can be sized to suit. You won't get the same power from a YB head.
Think they use there own now.
No they’re not, Kevin starts with the bare semi finished castings only as they’re very different than Wills
@dannym85 will recast the head to his own design, they are way different to a normal YB, you can't shape a port in a standard yb head to flow enough. These heads are supplied to KGP, oppliger and various others including the block.
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How does MST justify selling street cars with Millington 2.5s? I was told by the owner of MST the Millingtons would last forever. I think the rebuild interval may be just for rallying and it's a mere service not a full rebuild.
Don't forget the sequential gear-box as well.....things are really getting expensive.
They'r so expensive!! 🙁 But if I had the money Id love one! 😃
I always felt N/A engines are a waste of money after my 1st ride in a turbo car. Boost makes even a diesel engine appealing lol
£30k gets you one heck of a boosted engine, turbo'd or supercharged or both 😉
Worth mentioning Honda F20c and K24. These are near on 220nm as standard.. surely this is a better starting point than a pinto-based engine that's been around since Jesus was line-manager at Dagenham?
I get what you mean mate. When it comes to bang for buck, forced induction is defo the way. 👍
What gearbox are u using with the mk1 focus engien.im in Australia I have not long got my first ford escort.im wanting to put a better motor in it
Millington or Honda both cost nearly as much to do , think personal preference the millington
Has anyone considered a saab 2.0 in their escort? 150/175/210hp standard, 210/210/240 stg1 remap from the B207 engines
It wouldn't be allowed in the regulations here in ireland. A turbo car has a multiplier of i think 1.4. so a 2.0L would be 2.8, as 2x1.4 = 2.8. I'm pretty sure its been done for road cars but just not suited to rally cars.
The linear power output you only really get from N/A is more desirable for driveability in an escort than higher (but laggy) boosted power.
Money no object. Mk2 Mondeo Super Touring V6 with the matching gearbox and diff.
From an ST200???? . . . . . . . or from an actual BTCC car??? 🤔
No these KGP’s make even more power and torque again and are more drivable
All that considered brings us out of "classic fords" in a sense of historical cars.
Ford Essex v6 mk2 professionals tribute car
Controversial!! 🤔 There are lighter, more powerful V6 engines to choose from. 😃
I’m going aj30
2.2 Harris pinto ❤
Id put a 7AFE in an escort if i Was going to modify one
I'll stick with my mk2 rs2000 with a standard pinto engine still gives plenty of pleasure the wife still screaming
My bmw f12 640d on a simple remap has 360hp and 700nm of torque, and its bulletproof. Why aren’t there more diesels used in rally cars ?
Actual size of motor, general design complications.... And I can't see the use of 600+nm in ralley car.
@@keithjagarnath5137 plenty of BMW straight sixes used in rally cars, just not the diesels.
I would love a Millington engine that's my last name
Marcus why don’t you reach out to KGP,
As to your new style video, actually mate I love them mate
Anyone tried to put a Honda K20 in an Escort ?
There's a few in Ireland, even a couple 2.5 k series as well.
Harris?
Cosworth YB for me.
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1000 miles of special stages are not 1K miles of road ! in a rally, for 100 miles of stages, you drive generally around 300 miles on road, and the road drive is more less hard for the engine than the stage drive; so you can consider than 1K miles of stages on a rally car is more or less 4 to 5K miles on a road car. But again very expensive to drive a Millington Diamond !
Max torque is almost irrelevant. It measures the best twisting torque the crank can produce. Say it's 250 ft lbs at 5000rpm. That same engine might rev out to 10000rpm but drops torque to 200 ftlbs. So engine running 100% faster but only drops 20% You are still putting out 80% of max torque but twice as many turns means 160% more "work" available. What matters is drivability. The ability of engine to respond to your right pedal.
They both have their good points. Millington diamond has a lot of punch bottom end, where as a KGP will pull for longer and rev stronger.
The main reason why I would choose a KGP over millington especially in the last 12 months is customer service. To many problems with the millington engines at the minute after rebuilds, seems to all have gone down hill the last 12 months or so. Kevin at KGP is such a great bloke to deal with and is on the phone after every event, congratulating the good results. He’s always there when he’s needed and he will go above and beyond to make sure you’re always happy, you can not fault him. As for the engine itself, when you’re spending £30k you want a decent amount of reliability to reach the 1000 rebuild guide and that’s why KGP will always get my vote. I’ll add 1000 miles is a guide for COMPETITIVE miles, not liaison or normal miles.
Fact check - KGP isn’t Donegal based 😉
So there address in Letterkenny isn't in Donegal then ?? 🤔 hmm last time I was there letterkenny is a place in Donegal !!
@ CO Donegal, yes. Not Donegal itself as the video clearly highlights on the map! , it’s a whole 70km away from Donegal itself , and another 30km from letterkenny. 😉
Koenigsegg do a 3 cylinder 2 litre engine that produces 600 bhp. So that’s a different class of engine.
Toyota have a 1.6 3 cylinder engine that has been tuned to 600 bhp. Its the engine in the GR Yaris. There are lots on UK roads doing well over 350 bhp and ... its a Toyota!!!
Nearly 30 years ago I bought a mk 2 escort and in the years since I've spent endless hours day dreaming about finally getting round to affording and fitting a BDA in it
Still have the car but I've abandoned the BDA dream
For a few k you can get close to 300bhp reliably thanks to the little yellow chaps
A BDA has got to be the coolest engine to put in an Escort, but defo not the best bang for buck. . . . . . Forgive my ignorance but what are the 'little yellow chaps'??? Do you mean yellow injectors in a Cossie?? 🤔
@marcushayesford yeh I know, short of a lottery win it's totally unrealistic anyway.
The little yellow chaps in Japan when Ford were doing the 170 Hondas economy unit was 160hp
Not hating on Ford or anything. My point basically was I was so obsessed with ford for so long that I completely overlooked a boat load of cheep, high performance and reliable units.
The news posts are a great idea BTW
yes, those lumps sound very intresting, But defo never afford one,lol
I'm putting in a honda k24 with k20 head. 360 na hp
Who would ever need more than the absolute UNIT that is the 1.25 zetec? (Someone donate me an ST170 please)
The Fez will be a beast with an ST170 lump mate! 👍
@marcushayesford Reckon that'll be my 2025 project, see if I can muster up 200hp without the hinge on my wallet collapsing.
haha!! 😃 My wallet hinge fell off years ago!
Honda K series is the best small engine on the planet. You can get a reliable 1000hp out of them turbocharged. And I think 400hp NA.
ruclips.net/video/HaDKg4_H_do/видео.htmlsi=rBsObVZ8n_ErPSgw mzr is proper engine, cabable put out a lot power. They are got now 1307whp.
The engine wouldn't be suited to a rally car at all though. The turbo engine wouldn't be allowed and the 400hp NA would only be for highly strung drag engines that only run for less than 10 seconds at full power.
Did you knkw the English tax payer funded the kseries engines and others 3.5 billion pounds to rover development just to hand over to Japanese , you know the ones with conce.tratikn camps for our soldiers ww2
Yep those 2.5 full house engines are on a different level in terms of real figures and torque etc....
Furthest ive ever got to is the "poor man's millington" as i call it in my mk2....
Vauxhall xe with a frontera 94mm crank and 88mm bore making just under 2.3 (2288cc)....steel rods, slipper pistons, cnc head, 2mm oversize valves, etc
....making in or around 250 bhp and more importantly 200 ft lbs when its healthy...
You were actually in it for a quick blast marcus......not exactly slow for something that cost about a third of one of the above mentioned engines...
Despite the fact that the xe can get a bit of hate from the purists, one thing that cant be disputed is theyre reliability......ive had massive service from mine for the last 15 years without ever spending a big fortune, and its seen some punishment i its time!!😅😅
A lot of vauxhall xe engines still in escort rallycars in ireland, down to theyre reliability and cost effectiveness no doubt, although some parts are getting thin on the ground at this stage...
My dream engine would be a full house BDG on slide throttles for the pure soundtrack from it on full chat...😎😎😎
Honda k engine????
Seriously capable engines mate! 👍 A lot of people state that they are over 200 bhp n/a. But my argument is that a lot of engines would make that power if you make them capable of revving to 9K. 😃
Jet engine
haha!! 😃 No-one will keep up with that!
I’ve sent you an Email Marcus!
One best option is 2,5 belt drive duratec, just like Tim Mewett escort mk2 is powered that, amazing engine! 👍 ruclips.net/user/shortsTSwJRwrMCUQ?si=M49PgYuuA7Cou4o9 south down rally result tell all, car was fastest 2wd.
Kgp in estaaa
2.5 Kgp powered mk2 in action. ruclips.net/video/9HyJZsJK1mg/видео.htmlfeature=shared
BEAST!!! 😍
ruclips.net/video/4--PuVMXXgc/видео.htmlsi=3xpDakJvp5ODFGuS that speed and sound mzr duratec!
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LISTER PETTER SINGLE CYLINDER DIESEL
HOLE IN THE GRILL FOR THE STARTING HANDLE
GOT TO HAVE BONNET OPEN FOR DECOMPRESSOR LEVER
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Has to be a Ford engine, MUSTANG?
Old school rules 2L Pinto engine all 1600 sided draft Webber
Honda K series all day.
if only they had a timing belt.
YOUR SHIRT IS INSIDE OUT.
Millingdon, bad bad experience when dealing with them looking for parts.
hell yeah focus ST170 💙🤍
They make great engine donors! 😃