Sea (T) v Shuttle (P) on Fighting Spirit- StarCraft - Brood War REMASTERED
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Falcon these BW casts are great. Sometimes it's the one thing that really makes my day. Like today I came home soaked and just wanted to relax. I saw this in my feed and it was perfect.I love the random train of thought paired with some really pretty great casting. I've been sub for a while now and you're getting better. Keep it up!
Thanks, Ben. :) I'll keep it up!
For anyone wondering, DWeb is not used vs terran because it costs a ton of mana, so you need to commit a lot of food into Corsairs, which don't do anything vs Terran. Besides, Stasis does more or less the same thing, except costs less and lasts longer, meaning you need less Arbiters (which are also useful in other ways), and doesn't disable your own Zealots. Skipping Zealots makes it a very dangerous strat even if you ignore all the practical issues: you are completely reliant on DWeb without them, and one EMP or missmicro with DWeb and your goons are all goo. On the other hand, you have Carrier tech, so just make Carriers lol. Kingdom and foru experimented (mostly unsuccessfully and vs worse players) with DWeb timing attacks, but that was in the Lost Temple era and nobody really knew what they were doing.
To be fair, there is a serious game, though still very old, in which this strategy was used on a pro level, but it was on Chain Reaction, a weird map with a lot of droppable cliffs, so the Sairs actually performed an anti-drop role and weren't a complete money/food sink. Still, you can see how unreliable the strategy is, if anything goes slightly wrong (wrong positioning, no mana, tanks too spread out...), all the goons die and your momentum is lost. Anyway, here's the VOD:
ruclips.net/video/j7YoIcKmiRw/видео.html
This was a great game, and I don’t say this often, but this was also top-notch cast - nothing missed, great map awarness and active use of minimap! Keep up this great job, cheers!
Woohoo an Artūrs compliment! I've been working hard for one of those. :)
Falcon Paladin Haha, but hey - I’m more than sure that you will again miss a huge drop in the next game you cast, and I will be bitching again. :) Take care, mate!
@@zusurs Paladins galīgi akls :D ekrāna centrā nekad neko neredz, bet matemātika vispār klibo =))) Labs jau ir tāpatās! :)))
16:42 Love the new Falcon arbiter impression!
Im so glad that your brood war following has grown! Don't miss a single upload!
Thanks for the replays. Ive seen almost every single one you've cast. Would love another short one collection, or just standalone short ones. A lot to learn from those!
Show us protoss player some early busts vs Terran. These macro games are depressing. :-p
9:57 that spidermine make my day.
When I played brood war back in the day I would hear gosu alot. Man I forgotten about it lol.
Great casting, funny, and sounds like you are really having fun casting!
So glad you cast brood war too. Like no one does it and it's so good since remastered.
this game was so close! love it!
Dear FalconPaladin! Heartly thanks for what you are doing. I hardly ever watched anything so regularly as these replays, I'm not great at SC and probably even below average and the last game I played was more than ten years ago even, but because of your casts I have remembered that I do like this game and it's especially satisfying to watch pro games. As you have mentioned in one of the vids, one can hardly expect anything unusual at pro level, and that's what is great about it, I haven't really found any personal interest in WCIII and in further RTS games because to me, also personally, playing meta is more like a chess game rather than doing something completely unimaginable by common sense and getting away with it. In chess trying to pull off something uh,... "perverted",... usually means a loss, and maybe the following statement is bs but to me it looks like in pro Starcraft games it works likewise, and that's what is attractive about it the most. ...there, just had to say it. Anyway thanks again! I'm a fan, lol. :-)) All the best and much respect,
P.S. ...as a sidenote I totally like your commentaries such as "No say the marines, get out from our porch" :-))) You're doing great, keep at it! I'm so glad I've followed that suggestion by youtube on the right for once...
Shuttle actually won every fight except the last suicidal one after he got arbiters. It was like he just got tired from the base-race which he could have played on.
Tinkle in ASL 7 tried using wraiths against rain. Rain made several observers and made a few corsairs and stomped him. Also if you have plenty of factories, it wouldn't make sense to build several starports and start massing wraiths. It would be more economically viable to just mass golaiths. Also, you need to worry about protoss ground army as well. Wraith's ground attack isn't very strong. Also gols are 50 mins and 50 gas cheaper. +5 hp and +1 starting armor. gols also can body block zealots and dragoons charging into ur tanks.
I really enjoy your casting - and these games. Brings back so many memories :) I’ve never played much sc2 but I played sc1 and be everyday for hours for years. Best game ever imo.
Gosu was a very common term back then as well - even in the Starcraft 1 days and later in brood war. Hasu (bad) was used as well. ‘Manner’ and keke etc well all sorts of weird lingo lol
Wraith spam vs carriers was very common back in the day. But scouts and later especially a bunch of corsairs just tear up wraiths, so it was abandoned for Goliath counter play after brood war came out (I believe Goliath got a range boost then too).
Disrupting web was used against both Terran and Zerg as a fringe tactic back then but Not uncommon. Mainly used against siege tanks and against sunken/lurker contains from Zerg - once Protoss breaks out with dragoon’s in front. After blizzard nerfed disrupting webs timer in a patch (1.08?)- that tactic was sadly abandoned.
I don’t think it’s the range problem with marines - I believe the marines can’t reach critical mass before opponent has tech to answer them- so they usually need to m&m (marine/medic) instead. Zealots have the hp as you said and zerglings have the numbers fast to go critical mass early.
Zealot pressure? Two gate zealot rush where you just pressure Zerg all day long early game was the most common opening for years in bw. It fell out of favor for the fast Protoss expand approach later on when Zerg got good enough at surviving it. Still a very early 2 gate zealot push and switch into Corsair pressure behind that push if you set Zerg back initially you hit the overlords while he has not the tech yet to answer fast - thus setting him back further - it could be a very lethal strat.
Yes Protoss dragoon’s seem all over the place in the opening. I believe he is not only containing Terran (as is the usual pvt m.o.) but also putting dragoons at common flight paths to spot a Terran drop ship opening. It’s was a pretty used early Protoss tactic - as vulture drop opening was not unheard of (many terrans used to open with a drop if Protoss expands early - back before brood war came and also in the early ages in bw).
Sorry for rambling. So many memories. Again thank you so much for casting these games! love it.
Hey, I enjoyed reading your rambling. Good context for me to know. :) Glad you like my casts!
Nice EMP at the end there lol double arbiter takedown
Wow, what a great back and forth! Great casting, Falcon!
Glad you enjoyed it, Rocco! And thanks!!!
it would be interesting to see the bio v. Protoss approach, even if it is an underdog one. Overwhelming numbers perhaps will full upgrades, would have to go after bases FAST, though, as Terran against Protoss, because the mech Protoss army would be a HUGE problem, esp. if too large. AND attack from multiple angles, in near constant, continuous streams. Pull a ZERG, lol. Blasphemy to the Overmiiiiiiind rrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol
7:33 I am rewatching this after I have watched the first Day9 Let’s Learn Starcraft video where he demonstrates Stork doing the same Dragoon micro.
(I know I am kind of annoying but I still wish for Falcon Let’s Learn Starcraft series because Day9 is so long-winded and there’s too much pretentious water drinking and cat petting that sadly, the pedagogic value of those is lost on me)
Great game! shuttle was so close, this last fight =| too much tanks.
That micro for clearing mines is extraordinarily difficult. Check out this clip where Bisu did the same:
ruclips.net/video/leU4lyVFCD0/видео.html
Additional thanks for your nearly perfect spoken English.
It's F to the alcon Falcon here!
I am always like - "oh boy, Flacon posted Broodwar Remastered... cant wait to start" and then like "oh, nooooo, one player is T - guess who will win :/"
13:28 Since you read all the comments, I'd like to send a great appriciation from Turkey :) It'd be great to see you stream, SC or whatever game, but I know you're a full time occupied working family guy
Thank you! Happy to have you here. :)
I'm usually confused by seeing fast Arbiter instead of Dark Templar. I feel Shuttle would have been able to defend his base in the south if he went for ninja DTs more cannons, and his Dragoons on the high ground instead of looping around the back, which wasted a lot of time and units as he ran into Sea's clever turrets that detected his army. Warping in Arbiter, researching Recall, and charging the energy for it takes soooooooo loooooooong and is so expensive, I don't think it can stay ahead of the Terran tank death ball and is beaten by super cheap and easily accessed scan or turret.
Like, Shuttle didn't even commit to defending the base. He sent 1 dragoon.
Reminds me of the Joan of Arc mission in AoE2 where you get 1 unit as reinforcements. lol. Top 10 anime betrayals?
love your channel
yeah, that tank pressure constant line from MANY players, not just Flash, but especially him, is very hard to break. AGAIN.....and I know many hate air, but again......that COULD be an area where a mass air attack would work, yes, even with Marine, Goliaths, Scourge, or tower pressure. If used correctly, mass air CAN be devastating. Simply a fact, even for those who do not like air units. And YES, I KNOW it is expensive, i.e. gas. Those tank losses can ADD UP, too, though, and have, even for the elite giants like Flash, probably much to his, not exhaustion, lol, but annoyance/frustration. But it doesn't happen often with FLASH, hahaha, most players do not last that long against him and one is LUCKY if one makes the 20 minute mark!
Are there any builds that could make Scouts and Battlecruisers work?
I always used to go for both those playing SC:BW back in the day, was able to defeat 1v7 SP on Hunters (though I know this isnt much too brag about compared too MP lol) I didn't have internet connection, so sad.
Great example of my previous comment. Larva BEAT Flash. Who went Marine-heavy instead of tank in that match. Still took Larva more than a minute though, lol
Nostalgia is real :-)
have a nice day then, thanks for the good sc games :)
You're welcome, and you have a nice day, too. :)
Nice game, but I'm start to wonder why they always play on fighting spirit? I know is the most popular map but it really cut off some strategies =S
Backside Zealots should be a band name
both players are great
is it bad that when a dragoon dies in Starcraft brood war I think it says 'F**k you'
Ping-pong ball attack hahaha
Keep up the good commenting on these BW videos.
Okay!
Amazing game.
Glad you enjoyed it. :)
When you rewind the match to catch things you might have missed, then go to the scoreboard, you’re not getting the true score. You rewound this match because you missed sea taking out shuttles top left expansion, then went to the scoreboard as if it were the final score...
I love using dweb. So good
You're reading this right now!
I am!
We All really do appreciate your attention to your viewers! And acknowledging us in chat just makes our day. Thanks again for being a cool, hip, laid back StarCraft, et al, enthusiast
hey falcon are you interested in a 2v2 you and somicron vs me (fishlobs) and fatty? purity of essence vs purity of form?
Terran OP
CARNAGE!1!!1🦖
If Terran units weren't free, Shuttle woulda won.
Thought shuttle had it after taking down those CC
Again Fighting spirit? :
21:35 Tank won you nitwit not Zealot.
dragoons look like butterflies. don't get it.
sea is scrappy !!!
Falcon siempre veo tus videos y les pongo like, también a los que no me gustan como cuando los Protos les ganan a Zerg grrr hah, saludos desde Lima =).
Gracias por gustarme mis videos! Tampoco me gusta cuando Protoss vence a Zerg. :) Saludos desde los Estados Unidos!
Phew, almost disliked the terran defeat, but it wasnt so
@FalconPaladin Sent an email with flash vs larva replay. Let me know if you got the mail
Got it, Blaze. Thanks! I'm planning on casting them soon.
you have kids now ? nooooooooooooooooooo
Ggwp! Tanks win.
You can see that these players are good but not the best such as Bisu and Flash. They're a bit lacking in strategy and speed. Protoss should use more shuttle and recall play, terran should make better use of EMP's and defensive matrix.
I really like to watch your videos but sometimes you are missing big battles or you're too late. Quite anoying but still like your videos :)
Gosu means good playing.. not a specific player.
Yes.
I'm so pissed off... sea used to be so good... I mean like top 3 terran
And now he looks like garbage.. comparing to other players of his caliber.
He was up 60 fucking supply and sits... wtf he had at least a 3 minute window where he could have rolled shuttle
This is exactly why you dont toy with your opponent, if you can kill him, KILL HIM
I turned this off at 18 minutes so I dont know if sea ended up winning
So msg me all you want sea won blah blah... not even my point.
DIE TERRAN
First view and like!
First view and like! :D
noob protos didnt upgrade armor
Mothership is really lame compared to arbiyers
You read every single comment? bet you wont heart this one !
Sure won't!
@@FalconPaladin fuck he got me
Tvp favors Terran? Wtf?
For one, the map matters a lot, FS is very balanced so yeah you will see more terran victories on this map, but maps like python or any other map without a gas at 3rd base favors protoss, late game with max upgrades ... yeah favors terran, why protoss needs to kill terran before he reaches 3-3 units, from start to 15 minutes protoss has ability to crush terran, map control even if terran turtles on 3 bases protoss takes map with 20+ gateways just wait till terran runs out of $$
Talking about both players being equal in skill.. I'm sure all the protoss players who get raped by terran will protest my comment.. no dude, just means the terran player is a much better player then you not that matchup favors terran.
T>Z
Z>P
P>T
how it's been forever.. dont bring up flash and his stats... flash is a special player, if he was zerg or protoss it would be same thing
Stop letting vessels EMP your arbiters and maybe you would feel different, learn to flank terran army, dont be stupid and just rush into bunch of sieged tanks... plan your attacks better, or avoid terran army and just recall non stop in terran base...
I'm terran user but I crush terrans with protoss all the time
So bad player, calling themselves pro? What happened to templar
liquipedia.net/starcraft/Shuttle_(Player)
when people say terran is too OP in broodwar I laugh because that is only true at the highest ranks of SC play.. This game for so many years and for the vast majority of people terran almost felt under powered. they were always so fragile and protoss would just bull doze right through them. It's not till i started seeing the Korean pros did i realize how good the terran can be... For people new to broodwar, don't think you're gonna emulate what you see on these replays lol.. trust me.. Terran is very difficult to play for most people.
If they're not op at low ranks, they're not op? Sorry but I can't agree with that logic.
@@Myrskylintu im not saying they arent...im saying they are op in the hands of sc asian savants and not for the majority of players...comprehend?
@@Guinea54 -- Yes I comprehend. In my opinion, though, there are no such things as "op only in specific situation". Either a race is op or it isn't.
Hypothetically if Zerg rapes Terran 95% of the time in pro-leagues, I'm not going to go around saying, Zerg is op only at the top. I'm going to say Zerg is op. Conversely if Zerg doesn't rape Terran at low tiers, it's up to the players to fully take advantage of the race's overpowered potential.
I don't see the question of overpower as half-truths and grey areas.
@@Myrskylintu cause pros who play 15 hours a day cant be compared to the average person...for most people...the vast majority..terran is difficult to use...only in the hands of savants with 300 apm do terran seem op...the game can never be perfectly balanced for everyone
@@Guinea54 -- A fair point, and I agree, the game can't be balanced for everyone.
Moreover it's sad to acknowledge that Blizzard won't balance the game - haven't balanced since 2004. Perhaps it is possible for the players to find new meta as time goes on that will balance out the gameplay.
Stop posting broodwar and midrank. We just want good sc2 games...
No.