Does This Roller Coaster Make Sense at Six Flags Great Adventure? - Ride & Capacity Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- In a recent quarterly earnings call, Six Flags CFO Gary Mick confirmed that Six Flags Great Adventure will be receiving a new roller coaster! Six Flags Great Adventure has also been dropping hints about their upcoming addition, and the clues point to a Vekoma Super Boomerang coaster! Of course nothing is confirmed yet, and Great Adventure's official announcement should be coming around Labor Day. Comment below what you think of this!
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I think if this ride is the case, regarding its capacity we could see a 7 car version. It would probably be way less R&D to add on that 7th car, and could boost the capacity to 924pph.
Honestly the problem is not necessarily how many car you can go
But how fast the crews are with so many car
A dueling Super Boomerang
That was my exact thought when the capacity issue was first brought up.
Batman and Robin: The Chiller 2
@@lightningboat The Chiller-er!
@@lightningboati WISH. Chiller might be my favorite defunct credit
@rascality9714 the Chillier
I agree, I think theming this to Mr. Freeze in homage to Batman and Robin: The Chiller would be a really nice touch.
I miss the chiller.
Bro im mostly seeing this as a Flash themed ride.
The actual chiller coming back would be out of this world. All updated and everything. God I miss that ride so much
In my opinion, yes. The only launch coaster that we have right now is Kingda Ka, so it’ll be nice to have one with an actual layout lol
And a different kind of launch too, LIM or even LSM feels way different compared to Hydraulic, I don’t think anything can beat the intensity of hydraulic but it’s nice to feel the different types
And it's not a skyrocket 2, which are fun rides but all over. A super boomerang will be fun to try out
I can’t get over the capacity. Not only is the ride gonna be a GP magnet because it’s location, the fact that it’s the only one in the US makes it even more attractive to the GP and Enthusiasts. If it doesn’t have a turntable I see the line being painful. Still excited regardless looks like a great ride!
This ride also will be a huge hit not only for public and enthusiasts, but from a business standpoint for Vekoma. Every park in the country will look at this super boomerang and will travel for this ride, trust me they will travel for this ride alone just to see if Vekoma should go in their park or not.
@@ARMProducts1120Vekoma is most certainly on the rise! Guardians cosmic rewind is a fantastic ride along with big bear mountain! And some of there models overseas look incredible! but this model for SFGAdv is a capacity nightmare IF there’s no turntable or switch track
Investing in capacity upgrades to handle the opening season hype sounds unwise.
From a business sense it's better to overstaff it, sell premium tickets to skip the line, and draw a better crowd on slow days.
From a rider POV, if you're going to make the trip just to ride this, does it matter how long the line is?
Hype is marketable, long lines get other people excited, even if it's just "let's come back so we can ride that". Y'all are complaining there's going to be a line at the apple store the day the iPhone launches. Sure they could presale and ship them out, but the line is an experience that gives early adopters bragging rites and gives the park marketing material.
@@pepperypeppers2755Highly disagree with your theory. The park over the years has had a very hard time keeping people employed or having enough employees. This is the first season I heard they have full staff in a very long time. And I’m not really complaining I’m just stating the obvious like el toro Ryan did as well. Like I said I’ll be more then happy if this is the ride but can’t ignore the potential problems. If this has anything like the line that Superman has, I won’t be riding it a lot being that I live 20 mins away
@@pepperypeppers2755also marketing long lines is not smart, comparing this to waiting on line for the newest Apple phone is a reach. Difference is after waiting for a new Apple phone you have it to take home with u and u use it everyday. With the price of tickets and everything else going up the last thing people who are traveling to the park wanna be told is “oh spend more money to skip the line or just wait in the over and hour long line”. That’s just not good Business
Nice meeting you last Saturday bro! Keep up the good work
It was great meeting you also! Thank you so much for the super thanks!! It's very much appreciated!
I am SO happy I waited til next year for my east coast(er) adventure! Dorney Park, Six Flags both with new attractions, El Toro back up and running. Gonna be an insane summer
Lower capacity = longer lines = more desire for "skip the line" type offerings = more money. Longer lines also keep people in the park longer which also = more money. I'd argue some execs would only care about guest satisfaction if it ultimately led to more revenue. Maybe they came to the conclusion that the pro/cons of lower capacity rides cancel out enough to where it doesn't sway them from adding low-capacity rides.
This is why I like B&Ms, their capacity is usually really good
Their capactiy is good and reliability but they cost way to much and their layouts are typically boring yea u could bring out a bunch of hypers and gigas to say they are not boring but nothing makes them standout anymore
i mean B&M also have their own boomerang now which only has one train
Not all B&Ms have good capacity. The flyers don’t at all - not even with the dual loading stations.
@@Peter_9_9_9weve seen their reliability lol…
Not all B&M have good capacity
Most of their coaster that have no MCBR only draw 1200 pph at the top. There're not unusual for them having 900 pph too. It's just B&M is really easy to work with and it just keep working.
Great Adventure is my home park and I completely agree. When I heard the rumor my thought immediately went to its low ride capacity. At least it'll be a holding ground for guests which should lower queues of other rides in the park.
I’m going their soon, was wondering how busy has it been this summer if you have went yet
A Tilt Coaster would’ve been cooler but I’m looking forward to this
Here’s what’s funny, it still can be a tilt coaster cause it wouldn’t be that tall and it doesn’t need to be a long ride cause the tilt mechanism is the star of the ride
How do tilt coaster’s perform in capacity?
I’d prefer that over this but I’ll be happy with either
@@cactusjack3059 the same 6 cars per train, 24 riders
Unless they get a transfer track on the vekoma super boomerang, I don’t think it’s gonna be a healthy fit for SFGA, keep in mind that this ride will be at the front of the park and the first roller coaster that guests will most likely access.
Speaking of Cyborg, I'm extremely curious about why that ride didn't work out for the park despite all the hype about the flat ride model online.
Im not sure but it’s really boring, I’ve only rode it maybe three times since it’s been open…never had a line
Bugs, unreliable, unintuitive ride design, paired with Intamin subcontractor, plus unengaging ride experience.
Nice, another one of these type. I’m exited to see a new gen vekoma thrill coaster come to america
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me too! i had a really elaborate dream so sleeping was exhausting
Good analysis of the ride site and capacity. Since this was a late addition, there's a possibility this might only be at Great Adventure for 5-7 years. If Six Flags is satisfied with the Ultra Surf at Over Georgia and Great America gets a Vertical LSM Launch for the Buccaneer Battle / go karts area, then an Intamin multi-launch crossing the entrance plaza (including loose article nets) could be a possibility. A coaster of this capacity would make more sense for Six Flags America as a replacement for Firebird. Wouldn't be shocked if the Super Boomerang was relocated there, or even to La Ronde.
SFA is the Michigan’s adventure of the SF’s chain
@@kevinthompson6986 Nah, they're more like Dorney Park. They at least get relocated coasters from other parks.
I have accepted that it’s a super boomerang, however I wanna present an alternative.
Vekoma has 2 off the shelf tilt coaster options w around 100/riders per hour capacity. They have
4 inversions
48 inch height requirement
And the tilting aspect which fits the teaser of “look down for the best views”
as much as i’d love a super boomerang, a tilt coaster would be so much better
If they want to run two trains, the sliding station would be better than the turntable imo. The size of the turntable would be too big to rotate the 24-person train. But anyways I still think they'll operate with just one train tho lol
I miss the Chiller.
That was such a fun ride.
SFOG’s Ultra Surf was also an off the shelf model besides the Super Boomerang. It was originally supposed to go to a park in Vietnam before Six Flags having a last minute decision to buy the attraction for the park that were at the time teasing for it to be revealed at their Coaster Fest event.
If this is the coaster they get, I hope they have some type of turntable/multiple loading station setup for capacity. The lines when The Chiller was running just one side were horrible.
Only rode it once in my life because it was always down and the line was bonkers. Such a shame great ride!
I would love to see a Mr. Freeze but realistically they’re gonna call it Wonder Woman: Boomerang of Courage
Lol!
As the 50th anniversary of the park to get another clone is very disappointing as El toro was the last original coaster for great adventure which is insane for a park on this scale. While the competition Hersheypark just a top teir RMC hybrid and Dorney adding a B&M dive. I hope its still a Intamin Blitz or a bigger coaster that great adventure deserves.
That was the golden era of six flags.. they just not spending the big bucks on these rides anymore.
I disagree, this may be a clone but the only other model is all the way in China and SFGAdv can promote it as the only one in the country
Jersey Devils wasn't a clone was it. It was an original coaster and the WWF in Magic Mountain is a clone?
@@coolboss999 A "clone" is an off the shelf layout. A cheap coaster a company can purchase that doesn't take any terrain into account and can plop it down anywhere.
@@theworstisover1323 if it hasn’t been copied, it’s not a clone. Sorry to break it to you
I love how nerdy this guy is... And when he puts the grating sound on break runs. HILARIOUS!!! :)
Petitioning for the ride to be named Chilled Lightning
Lightning chiller
Great to meet you and ride El Toro with you on Saturday. Keep crushing!🤙🏽
It’s funny you mention Joker, cause from my experience that ride consistently has the longest line in the park.
That’s not good for a coaster that’s rather meh
@@ThrillsofColdplay Agreed, which is what I think will be the consensus for this new ride too.
I think it makes sense as a spectacle investment for the 50th anniversary. The recent renovation to the entry gate + a shuttle coaster that will be dynamic is a smart investment for looks, at a low impact in planning / execution. You mentioned the spot has been home to many shuttle coasters before; maybe the late stage zoning effort applies under existing approval?
Would be super awesome if they pay homage to the chiller and make a dueling boomerang
This looks like a lot of fun. Definitely understand the capacity concerns, but all that aside, I would love to ride it.
Still team Multi-Launch Intamin but this Super Boomerang does sound more likely and really fun! Vekoma is a good company:)
I'm hoping the Super Boomerang is more of a temp addition that stays for about 5 years before getting relocated to Six Flags America (replacing Firebird) or La Ronde. After it's removed an Intamin multi-launch crossing the entry plaza would be added.
@@brianfoss571Id like an Vekoma custom ghostrider waaaaaay more then an Intamin.
They could make it a reference to Batman and Robin: The Chiller
Orion - 1650 riders per hour. Now Sea World and Hershey's don't publish but you'd have to imagine that Candymonium and Pipeline, Emperor....are all over 1,000 riders per hour. But you're right about the low capacity problem. A lot of newer rides just can't chew through riders like B&M can.
candymoniums capacity is like 200 because of how bad the ops are
Absolutely! This will be so good!
I'm just waiting for you to start a consulting business for parks to give true capacity stats for any new coasters they are considering.
As someone who’s home park is SF New England it sucks we didn’t get anything for our 150th anniversary two years ago. And we need a new coaster, especially a launch.
Six flags doesn’t care about New England like they do with great America and magic mountain
And great adventure of course
Six Flags St Louis also didn’t get anything for its 50th. It’s a real bummer because it sounds like they were planning a coaster and then the virus hit.
Man, was hoping for a s+s 4d on the east coast or a mack spinner. Good detective work though eltororyan, you were dead on with top thrill 2
I mean; im glad that they are doing SOMETHING for 50th anniversary, but its been soooo long since we’ve had a custom coaster. Though, being able to see it at the entrance, would be a nice visual
Honestly if I were involved with this I'd be pulling hard for a theme based on the Flashpoint comic run. Just going all in on the queue telling the story of the Flash running so fast he broke time in relation to a roller coaster that sends you through a disorienting shuttle layout with a crazy-looking layout
I was thinking that maybe Vekoma has a pre-existing dueling/racing super boomerang design ready to go, and that it's just not on their website yet. Probably not, but one can dream :)
That actually wouldn't surprise me too much, maybe Vekoma wants to unveil their new model at the same time. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened.
Let’s hope it’s not delayed until 2027 due to them finally deciding to add a turntable mid construction
On all of my GA visits back in the day, Batman and Robin rarely operated together. Yes, I an old, I ride Lightin Loops too.
The ride looks like a blast! Would be awesome to get a ride and have this in the park. Capacity would be rough for sure, here's to hoping they have a fix for it. That aside, solid addition!
I kinda like the idea of a DC theme. What would be REALLY cool is if they DID get two of them and put them parallel to each other, but facing the opposite ways, and made it another batman and robin themed ride, maybe even run them to duel... that would be sweet. It would be a good throw back to the Chiller... and probably be much better and much more reliable lol.
My theory is that the parks actually see low capacity as a benefit because it helps sell flash passes. They make these skip the line passes almost required if you want to ride it. 😢
Great analysis and totally agreed that the park needs to improve the capacity of their rides. Would love to see you do a problematic roller coasters video on Jersey Devil.
What would you call problematic about JDC?
Jersey devil is one of the most reliable rides in the park and on top of it there’s never a line for it
Agreed it's not fair to call it problematic, was just curious to see it's capacity vs. This ride.
I could see the super boomerang come to Great Adventure. I think it would be super unique for America
Yeah it would be the only one here in America
Looking at your suggested location, I see one flaw. They just planted that garden area (which is small but gorgeous) right behind cyborg. I think the coaster could still go there, but it would need to be moved so the bottom of the rectangle area more even with the center of cyborg, maybe even tipped a bit, pulling the top right corner to the right / toward the parking lot. That weird no-longer-driveable circular driveway would be lost but is it even needed?
Oh, and that area, I believe is where the fatal haunted house fire was. They better put a plaque there or something.
I’ll ABSOLUTELY take a new coaster! I got nervous when i heard vekoma boomerang, but this actually looks pretty gnarly.
A B&M gigga would be a reliable capacity monster for enthusiasts and the general public.
Six Flags will never build a Giga
@@moekitsune no one knows what they will or won’t do
They gave away the equation because that’s the current Vekoma Super Boomerang but I see it being a new model just for this park and I mean only this park that duels but in different directions. Both will launch at 70mph while one reaches 60mph or around while the other reaches 50 or around. That’s with the new teaser
The most six flags thing ever- for the 50th, you get a SUPER BOOMERANG
ElToroRyan,
1. I find it to be a good choice. Now as for capacity, I could see them doing a switch track or turntable so they can have two trains (both Mr. Freeze coasters have a switch track; and I believe there are a couple of Sky Rocket II's that have turntables).
2. And if this does come to pass, it will be the first time since 2001 that anything Vekoma related has opened at a Six Flags park. That year, Batwing (Flying Dutchman) and the trifecta of Deja Vu Giant Inverted Boomerangs opened at Great America, Magic Mountain and Over Georgia.
3. That said, I still see the Northern Star arena being demolished and a Dive going there.
Six Flags should make the most out of it and allow two-train operations. Locate the station away from Cyborg, as mentioned in 4:20; there seems to be extra horizontal space for the switch track/turntable/whatever and storage tracks.
I've left comments in plenty other videos like this already but I'm just glad that the Rolling Thunder plot of land is still intact. That plot deserves something much bigger. Like maybe that 2025 Intamin. I really want it to be a dueling coaster, but for reasons stated in 9:20, I should probably let go of that dream.
I hope they either extend the train and station or add a turntable or switch track in the station. That capacity will definitely hold it back.
This could be an interesting addition. I would say if justice League themed then it will most likely me THE FLASH. And then on a new addition in the future Aquaman. This seems like the only two they don’t have here and they seem to be six flags favorites right now. Also if you haven’t already. Another interesting video idea could be why the park hasn’t utilized the old Rolling Thunder plot for a new coaster? Whether your videos are quickly made or the time put in that’s are all great.
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It is noticeable that many parks that have a Fastpass system have built lower-capacity attractions in recent years. This makes economic sense, because longer waiting lines result in more fast passes being sold. In addition, the coasters with lower capacities are usually cheaper to buy. Of course, for regular guests, this is negative because it worsens their experience.
Six flags is the park that had a Togo pipeline coaster and a dueling launch coaster, they’ll try anything
Maybe this is finally the gateway for modern Vekoma to blow up in the US
I wonder if they could run a longer train on the super boomerang to increase capacity
I think it’s likely that because this was so last minute, it’s very possible that the arena coaster is already being planned and could be coming in 2025
Yea!!! More content
I want to see more of those Intamin “Hot Racers”
It's shocking how much of this ended up being true. He even guessed the right theming
It does seem to me like having only one of them would be way too low capacity for that park. As you said, even with lightning loops, at least you had two of them. One 24 passenger train, in the middle of summer at Great Adventure is going to make for NIGHTMARE level lines. It'll be damn near impossible to get on it early in the day I'd say... and if I were guessing, even fast pass lines will get pretty long on something with that low of capacity. Id say your projection is actually even kind of high.. if you get right down to it, on an average day, with an average crew... its probably going to be more like 500 per hour would be my guess.
This might Be a complete long shot but what is the possibility of them removing the parachutes to do the top thrill 2 conversion to kingda ka for 2025 or beyond? It does line up with the launch track and is just to the outside of green lanterns turn. If that happens I wonder how or if it would affect zumanjaro.
SixFlags is possibly getting a dive coaster soon and maybe a Giga
Two major thoughts:
First, I agree with everything you say, but I want to theorize on why we're seeing shuttle coasters more often. Each segment of track is traveled twice for double the value of entertainment per dollar in the business mind. They don't care how long customers wait, because it'll just encourage in park purchases and 2 day ticket sales (in fact, I wonder how many parks think about their rides as a "customer wait length" formula, where the sum of "premier" ride wait times across the park are estimated and guaranteed to be longer than any single day's open hours to encourage sales of 2 day passes) because FOMO. Now consider that many will agree that we (and I don't know how big that "we" is) are going into an economic recession, so spending is going to be trimmed at all levels. I don't fault the logic, but I worry they're missing the forest for the trees.
Secondly, I agree with the idea of a way to run two trains, not just for passenger throughput, but because it will guarantee that if people are waiting at the gate for any reason, they will always have something to watch and get them excited for capitalism! I can't wait to pay more than I would for a video game that will entertain me for a minimum of 10 hours to access this park for that much time if I'm lucky, only to spend 70% of that time waiting in line for a few minutes of excitement, and will still be wringed for more money in food costs and merchandise. And I don't say this because I want to see Six Flags fail here. My father was working at Great Adventure when he met my mother, so the park has some emotional value to my family, and I enjoy the park as well. I say this so that maybe those that are leading the ship can see what type of company they have painted themselves as, and adjust course to a better place where we can be less pessimistic about being fans.
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I like to see Vekoma coasters more at parks, and if this is true, this would be great to see more newer generation Vekoma roller coasters in North America. However, I do agree that the capacity is not good for this park, if they were to decide to do one train for this ride. Even though Six Flags Great Adventure already has many high capacity rides, I don't feel that Six Flags staffs enough people at each ride to ensure high capacity. So I'm concerned that this ride will not have a quick moving line if only one train is available and if Six Flags only decides to put minimum staffing at the ride for it to move decently.
Being this is a coaster that wasn’t there before its going to add good capacity and hopefully will shorten lines on the premiere coasters.
Ups & doWNs 4 this park in 50 yrs. glad to see coaster in 2024.
That should be a great choice.
They should rebuild Batman and robin. With the modern technology we have now from when the that ride first open, I’m more then sure it wouldn’t have the same launching issues
Why couldn’t it be the RMC wild moose?
2 of the defunct coasters were the best they had!
Both of their shuttle coasters had two tracks too, which improved capacity.
With all the history facing nomenclature these days, it would be cool if they call this ride Lightnin' Loops
Everyone is saying capacity is a problem but great adventure seems empty everytime I go. I do use flash pass, but I rode kingda ka like 14 times last visit. The jersey devil, with similar capacity, I rode over and over again, walk-on & off. I don’t think it’s a problem, especially in that empty area of the park.
2024 YEAR OF THE BOOMERANG
VEKOMA IS BACK BABY
Nice ride for a park like Knoebels, not Great Adventure... GA is way too busy to be installing and operating low capacity coasters, the cycle time plus cost to get in the park will erode at the value of the Admission Price.
Last time I was at GA I waited an hour to ride Medusa (when it first opened) and an hour or more for other attractions... to get my value I ended up riding the hell out of Rolling Thunder and GASM... This would also not work for a park like Cedar Point.
ANyway, great video...
I am also not digging on the new Dorney coaster, and that is my hometown park... It is too short and they should have stuck with the original idea of a Gravity Group shuttle that was scrapped due to covid.
With the 50th anniversary upcoming in 2024, I really thought my home park of Great Adventure was finally going to open a high class new custom layout coaster for the first time in 17 years. Silly me.
Exactly my thoughts there
I hope it is not true. It would be a capacity catastrophe. SF would never get one with a turn table on short notice. But I guess we will get one. Compared to other new Vekomas it also looks not that great.
Imagine if we're completely thrown off and RMCs Friday announcement is actually the park's new coaster and it just happens to have the same stats 😂
i would much rather have an intamin of roughly the same scale as Pantheon.
This ride would be good with a Shazam Theme
Hold up your telling me if I went to this park a day later I could’ve met you
Still holding out for an intamin multi launch to be the next coaster🤞. This is alright but a multi launch from intamin would be so much better.
Needs a transfer table like Mr. Freeze
Ryan I found the track meters before you a thoosie is smart HAHAHAHA
China already has this beautiful model. It’s called the Cloud Coaster.
Parks don't care about capacity anymore because it's more profitable to monetize skipping the line. They make more money the longer the lines are
Having Great Adventure as my home park, I still have yet to ride The Joker and the line for Superman is always incredibly long. Low capacity/ low throughput rides are an absolute nightmare at this park and a single train ride will make it impossible to get a ride in during a visit. Gonna be a huge miss in my opinion if we get this instead of the Intamin multi-launch.
Would’ve been cool to call this lighting loops for the 50th anniversary, but I guess it wouldn’t make sense.
I would bet on the name being Flash
I don’t see capacity being the worst thing
they should name it bizarro just to confuse people looking on a park map
This could be a lighting loop triubte
Captain Boomerang coaster lets go
This seems like the perfect opportunity for a Captain Boomerang-themed coaster, but I'm sure he's not nearly marketable enough for that.
definitely not marketable enough
Bring back Musik Express if they’re going for nostalgia of the golden age ❤