Jagdpanthers vs Churchill Tanks in Normandy | July 1944
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2022
- In July 1944, the British Second Army launched Operation Bluecoat in Normandy. Among the units involved was the 3rd Battalion, Scots Guards, which established itself atop a key feature known as Point 226. However, just two hours after arriving on the hill, a German armoured counter-attack was launched, employing for the first time on the battlefield the Jagdpanther Tank Destroyer.
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My grandad was in the 2nd Battalion of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders at around this time. It hits home realising that 70+ years later I'm watching a video describing in detail events he may have witnessed first hand.
Your granddad and his mates had it rough, being on the flank closest to Germany. Please accept my appreciation for their fortitude on behalf of the US Army, whose eventual breakthroughs in western France would have been impossible without such brave allies.
That Jagdpanther was a monster of a tank, i remember seeing one on display at Duxford IWM, can't imagine Churchills facing those.
Truly terrifying
David vs Goliath for sure!
@@amptechron Not to mention the King Tigers sent to Villars Bocage
Not really. The Churchills had better armour protection! Look it up. The JPanther had a great gun.
No doubt these crews were experienced and hardened eastern front crews!
Jadpanthers were a deadly adversary against Allied tanks in Normandy. As deadly as a Tiger tank and King Tiger. RIP fallen Churchill tankmen.
One of the best military channels, presented in a particularly well spoken way. The addition of the involved units diaries is also invaluable. If I may suggest, make more content of the British campaign in ETO. Living in The Netherlands , the coverage of the battle of Nuenen was brilliant. The Sacrifice of the Dorsets at Arnhem is another epic video. There has been too few coverage of the British operations in the ETO. I hope you can add more, there's so much to cover.
Keep up your fantastic work. Thankyou for keeping their memories alive.
This is terrifying to think about from the shoes of the Churchill crews. Thank you for the great video.
I’m beyond upset this vid doesn’t have way more views. Outstanding work as always my friend. Keep it up! I will continue watching, supporting and sharing.
I’m five minutes these Jags had knocked out 11 allied tanks. That is terrifying.
Love that you keep this alive.
My great uncle was in the 4th coldstream 6th tank brigade. So great to see a really detailed look into one of the most important battles in the units short lived history.
Love the WWII stuff, crisp clean and accurate narration , thanks LFE
Interesting story well presented as usual. Willie Whitelaw went on into politics but must have carried these experiences with him into later life as many of this generation did. We really needed more 17 pounder Fireflies as apart from CAS from 2nd TAF’s Typhoons and Tempests we didn’t really have an answer to the German 88’s. Must have been very stressful being in British armour wondering what was in the next hedge line.
Again, another great piece; thanks.
Another fantastic video Liveth For Evermore
Another great video
Good overview, Ben
Bless those young men.
Here we go!
Thank You
Such encounters were pretty common where one side took full advantage of a situation. Operation Goodwood was a far bigger Allied disaster in tanks lost. However, the Germans had their bad days where they found themselves being slaughtered in numbers and unable to stop that happening.
It didn't take long for the Allies to get their tactics at a level were such incidents were unlikely. Usually once German positions were pin pointed they could be destroyed without much loss. Tank mix was improved no end, and Churchill tanks used to their best advantage which was as an infantry support tank. Of course there were some nasty incidents, but then it was dangerous times.
A note for younger viewers: after the war, Willie Whitelaw went into politics and was Margaret Thatcher's right-hand man during her first government. In Private Eye's 'Dear Bill' column, he was nicknamed 'Oyster Eyes.'
I genuinely had no idea that he had been a wartime tank commander.
And Robert Runcie, The Archbishop Of Canterbury.
The Australian Armour and Artillery Museum have just finished an incredible restoration of a Jagpanther, worth checking out on their RUclips channel
Another excellent video as always, thanks
The gun on this thing was so strong it could take on a Churchill Mk VII(which had thicker frontal armor than a Tiger I) from ranges like it’s nothing.Combined by the factors of mobility and ambush potential.Crazy,such a shame only a little more than 400 were made.
I have read that the Churchill was the most survivable of any Allied tank and that quite often, entire crews minus their tanks were found waiting for a replacement. Still, men died in them. Of note is that in Italy an experiment was made fitting 75mm guns from destroyed Shermans was hugely successful, because the Churchill made a much more stable firing platform for the guns. The stable platform meant that the gun finally was much more accurate that ever thought before! The Churchill is my favorite Allied tank. But I hope someone can clear something up for me. I have read that no Churchills crossed the Rhine River. Is that true or bad information?
Wonder how many people watching this know who Willie Whitelaw was? Great stuff as always.
Ah yes, Maggie Thatcher's prized Willie.
Willie Whitelaw (home secretary in the 80s) went on to earn an MC at Caumont, not long after
Dont forget the Jagdpanzer IV L70; very lethal too, with a lower silhouette than a Stug3.
11 tanks knocked out in just about 5 minutes with no casualties to the attacking side?
The only other comparable tank battle that lopsided that comes to mind is 73 Easting.
Some of the 3SG Churchills were hit before the JagdPanthers broke cover which aided their impact (and the fact that they were Eastern Front Veterans & 3SG first time in battle). What's more as the attack came in at 6pm, most were having a brew & istening to the news on the BBC
@@fozman1959 Sounds like an excuse. if Brits were relaxing at that crucial time it means they lacked training and some common sense! you are into a hostile land where you should expect sudden attack anytime. secondly, Dusk is the best time to attack!
@@livingroomtheatre174 Yes, how dare those boys have a brew after what was probably multiple days of heavy combat.
Always interesting when people make an arse of themselves by talking shit about the dead from a comfortable chair. Despicable.
@@Japanie2 Oh Yes. British colonial Forces. Rather than calling me an arse you should call them an arse. British forces were killing , plundering, looting all their colonies, they were forcefully pushing the forces to fight against the Germans. That's fair, right? We often forget that the British did more atrocities across the globe than the Germans
@@livingroomtheatre174 People aren't that forgetful, people just understand context. The men involved in this battle, which is what this video is about, were not busy looting, killing and plundering the colonies at that same time.
Which means you're doing a lovely sidetrack far away from the point I was responding to you about. So I don't really fucking care what the colonials were doing and where.
My point still stands; A fat slob in his armchair has no business calling these men untrained and stupid. Especially when he does so based on the single fact that those men were probably "having a brew", after they did a big fucking push into enemy lines capturing their objectives.
It's also common knowledge the weeks after the invasion didn't involve a whole lot of sleep or rest, so blaming those men for having some when it's been fairly quiet for a few hours isn't just pathetic, it also shows a lack of understanding on those days.
So that makes the point of arguing any further on this fairly moot, since you're appereantly a superwarrior who would never make this mistake.
If only you and your unlimited vigour and big brain were alive 80 years ago, the war would've been over in a week.
Just curious. What kind of accent is the voiceover?
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The Churchill was likely the best british tank of the war, but the Jagdpanther was by far the best tank hunter of WWII, particularly in defense
Not really in Defence. but surely best suited for "Ambush"
The German Unit (sPz.Jg Abt 654) had 5 provable losses for the period July 30-Aug 2nd. '001' (a command Panther) and JagdPanthers '213', '233' , '311'' & '314'. The dates given are not necessarily the date of loss and there is no way of finding out the specific cause of loss or the exact dates. Some of the Jagdpanthers were blown up so there is no way of finding out how they initially became losses and it is a common error to ASSUME any tank blown up had no 'combat damage' and thus has to be classed as 'self-destroyed'. The Jagdpanther described as having 'minimal damage' had two hull penetrations and both drive sprockets shattered. That is serious damage by any measure. The statement that the second Jagdpanther ' was 'simply abandoned and 'burnt out by its crew' is speculation because the only known fact is that the vehicle was extensively demolished. That is it as the Unit history has no information at all about it. It could just as easily have been knocked out and then blown up when they had to cut and run.
So you are speculating about a speculation, and at the same time complaining about the content creator, tell us about said speculation. If I was you, I would go make your own content, instead of trying to be a smart a$$ and making yourself look a plum.
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Great clip.
Does anyone know which unit the Jagdpanthers belonged to?
The Jagdpanthers belonged to the 654 Schwere Panzerjager Abteilung
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Ouch ! That would have stung ay? Bless um. !
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No Scousers mentioned in this breakout?
Williie Whitelaw entered politics and became a senior Conservative Cabinet Minister and Chairman of the Party for Margaret Thatcher.
How experienced were these Guards units ?
First time in Action
@@fozman1959 Thanks for clarification. yes they were not experienced for sure
That should be led to not “lead to”.
Revenge wth if they had parts and gas they would have so many more of them
German tanks of the time might've been very complex machines, prone to breaking, with a badly hurting economy to support them with spare parts, but damn were they effective when they worked.
While this was one bad experience for the allied forces, this was basically normal at the eastern front. The few working german tanks roll out, destroy 10 russian tanks, and it'll start all over the next day when the russians produced 10 new tanks.
Almost all tanks of that era had reliability issues. Look up videos on the Russian T-34's teething issues where they'd strap an extra transmission to the rear of the hull.
By, the end of the war, Panther tanks were reliable. I think the Panthers, in particular, suffered a lot, reputation wise, from going from blueprints to the battlefield in too short of a time.
@@andersgarvin648 i was talking about relative complexity. The german tanks were mechanically superior in almost every way, since they used advanced stuff like ball bearings to reduce friction. But the german industry had a lot of trouble supplying enough of the more complex parts. So a broken german tank needed more specialised repairs or spare parts that were harder to come by. Thus, at any given day more russian tanks were available than german ones.
A very heavy loss of life. How much was preventable? The Allies had many advantages but how well where these exploited. Montgomery had the advantage of the decoded Enigma signals which would have shown the strategy, if not the tactics of the enemy. The Allie had vastly superior numbers of tanks although most were not as good as the main enemy tanks - so, make numbers pay by having rapid reaction forces. The allies had air supremacy; was that not used to explore what forces the enemy had “over the next rise” or “in the next wood”? Finally, good scouting by foot, motorbike or armoured car would surely had identified possible threats.
All of this is with the great benefit of hindsight. But it is in the examination of skirmishes such as this that todays military leaders learn and it is to be hoped ensure this time, the advantages are used to overcome the weaknesses
At the end of the day the Scots did not yield the hill 👍. You can’t really call this a German victory. The allies could afford the losses, the Germans could not afford the loss of even two Jagdpanthers when less then 500 were built.
@Chris Carbaugh Not even lost, but abandoned indicating fuel shortages or mechanical problems. What you are missing Theo is that the Allied advantages were put to good use elsewhere -at the strategic level. No fuel, hampered production and utterly disrupted transport networks gave the Allies the conditions they needed for victory. For the British dead and wounded, it was a tragedy, but overall more lives were saved.
Ultra decrypts became less and less useful in N.W Europe, probably due to the use of landlines rather than radio. Also Montgomery wasn't the only one privy to intelligence summaries. The dummy in charge of the Bastogne area would also have had some knowledge of German dispositions. Perhaps you were writing your comment before the video ended, to summarise the two tank battalions pushed on alone to secure the hill, the infantry followed.
Depends what you mean by "preventable" 6GTB (of which 3SG were one third) had punched a hole through the German defences (in what they thought was a "quiet area") & were sitting on their objective. Unfortunately, 43rd Div on their left flank (who should have been level with 3SG/2A&SH) were really struggling through the Bocage as their support by 8th Armoured Brigade were in Shermans which had much bigger problems in the bocage - the SG Churchills just drove up & over the hedges. After the war on a visit with his family, Willie Whitelaw pointed out that the French farmers still hadn't repaired the gaps that their tanks had created!
So, if 43 Div had been able to keep up, this would have possibly been prevented; unfortunately, they weren't.
As to scouting ahead, the Stuarts in the recce troop struggled even more in the bocage.
Even though 50% of the hedges have been grubbed out since the war, if you visit the battlefield today, it's still difficult to see the lie of the land with so many hedges.
Yeeasss
15 Scots was certainly made up of Top Quality Troops, No wonder Monty called it a 'Heavy Blow' Did Captain William Whitelaw go on to became Home Secretary under Thatcher?
Robert Runcie was there as well.
Your video is good, but why that tone... ? For God sake... !!
Don’t like it, don’t watch it, don’t be an arse, you wouldn’t like it if I nitpicked your accent!
@@spacewalrus999 You can be polite. not everyone is habitual of British accent. not everyone is habitual of listening to English. there are people around the world who speak many different languages and hence they find it difficult to understand such a "typical English accent". no offense!
@LivingRoom Theatre English is the universal language bloody foreigners
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Robatically reading at an unnatural speed, I guess, is one way to go. 🫡