DID IT SUCK? | Doctor Who [Vincent and the Doctor REDUX REVIEW]
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got it now cheers harry :)
Episodes still to review:
The Unquiet Dead
The Long Game
Boom-Town
Born-Again
New Earth
The Idiot's Lanturn
The Infinite Quest
The Lazerus Experiment
Time-Crash
Voyage Of The Dammed
The Next Doctor
Meanwhile In The TARDIS (#1)
Victory Of The Daleks
Meanwhile In The TARDIS (#2)
The-Lodger
The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
Space/Time
A Christmas Carol
The Impossible Astronaut/Day Of The Moon
The Curse Of The Black-Spot
The Doctor's Wife
The Rebel-Flesh/The Almost-People
A Good Man Goes To War
Night-Terrors
The Girl Who Waited
The God-Complex
Closing-Time
The Wedding Of River-Song
The Doctor, The Widow, And The Wardrobe
Asylum Of The Daleks
Dinosaurs On A Spaceship
A Town Called Mercy
The Power Of 3
Angles Take Manhattan
P.S.
The Snowmen
The Bells Of Saint John's
The Rings Of Akkatan
Cold-War
Hide
Journey To The Center Of The TARDIS
The Crimson Horror
Nightmare In Silver
The Name Of The Doctor
An Adventure In Space And Time
The Night Of The Doctor
The Fiveish Doctors Reboot
The Last Day
The Day Of The Doctor
The Time Of The Doctor
Last Christmas
If anyone's interested, I'm also reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me already done the first 3 Doctors. No pressure, of course, just might be worth checking out! :)
Petition for Harry to redux review Heaven Sent, like here. Every future video of Harry's will have this label.
Agreed! It deserves a 10
@@pkmnmasterlewi9706 it doesn't "deserve" anything, but it is definitly the best episode of the capaldi run in my opinion
@@struanpeat5116 definitely. I just wish it had a much better follow up, hell bent really sucked. It had some great ideas but poorly executed. Imagine if both epsiodes were amazing, it would have been one of the best finales on the show
@@mrknowhere6457 to be fair, they didn't put clara back with the doctor, and I liked the idea that he was half remembering the story, and trying to piece it together. That concept would have been more fun to pull off mid season with a throw away character though, rather than clara.
Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes deserved so much more
My boy has come around and seen the light.
That scene with Vincent in the future SLAYS me every time. Tony Curran was outstanding in this episode. I can’t recall another episode of Dr Who where the guest star just stole the entire thing. Except MAYBE Empty Child/Doctor Dances, but Jack immediately became a companion, so...
Okay, now do Heaven Sent REDUX and I'l call off the assassins
Heaven sent is one of the bestest episodes ever
This episode's reviews are definitely swayed by the weight of THAT scene
and honestly i'm not bad about it, it ruins me every time I watch it, it's so well done
and it has more impact that it's not just a character, it's a representation of a real man, that is an inspiration to billions now but lived and died thinking he was worth nothing
it HURTS
What scene
We will allow this change. If you ever change your mind on orphan-55 however, I will unsubscribe and call the police
BENNI!!!!
*B E N N I*
Which one of you, hUrT mY BenNIIIH?!
Harry: Given this episode's reputation, any score under an 8 would not sit well with fans of this episode.
(Gives the episode a 7).
Ah well, I'm glad he at least actually gave it a CHANCE this time and didn't just hate it because it's Matt Smith.
Why would someone hate it because of Smith? Smith is an incredibly popular doctor, and during his first two years, was considered to be better than Tennant by many fans.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer I believe Harry specifically doesn’t like Matt. Personally Matt’s my favourite but I get why some don’t like him aha
I’m glad he was able to give this episode a second chance. It’s a better review than the original one.
Vincent feels more like a classy stage actor than your average doctor who actor
This episode makes me miss non Chibnall who SO MUCH...
All valid points and criticism of this ep just fly over my head when I watch that scene of Vincent in the art gallery. It cracks my heart open and I sob every time. One of the most moving things I’ve ever seen, I sometimes forget everything else about the ep but that moment will always stay with me.
I always loved this episode, it's one of my faves from Matt Smith's run. My main issue with it is the monster reveal, and leaving it invisible or more of an idea rather than a physical being, would have improved it. Aside from that, Tony Curran absolutely steals the show, especially at the end when Amy and the Doctor show him his museum. Makes me tear up every time. Great episode!
The thing with a show like is how it introduces younger viewers to a major historical person, but in an interesting and fun way. It dealt with mental illness, grief and joy beautifully. At no time being preachy or talking down to the audience. Tony Current was fantastic. A cameo by Bill Nighy too, a world class actor. What a difference to what the show has become now. Yes, Orphan 55 I am talking about you.
I can't wait to see you react to your Heaven Sent review lol
Heaven Sent is my favorite episode of Doctor Who still pretty miffed he didn’t like it
When I first watched this when it aired Vincent reflected in me my own demons of mental health and suicide. To the point I had forgotten almost everything else about the episode.
That actor needs to play Vincent in a film about Vincent.
Honestly, I love "chances" by athlete being used at the end of the episode, I know it's a little corny and I'm probably being a bit warped by nostalgia but I think it's a lovely song. I can't believe you didn't mention the real star of the episode tho in Murray's own score though. "With love Vincent" is undoubtedly one of, if not my absolute favourite piece of music in the show and is just the most perfect fit for the episode. God I miss Murray Gold.
How the actual fuck did you notice that ‘I am the doctor’ was being played on the accordion? That might be the best Easter egg I’ve ever found out about.
Why would the doctor, a time traveler, ever be in a hurry?
Good point. Other than times where he's been too far away from the TARDIS, he could always just shortcut in that. But l will say that this incarnation is impatient, as also seen in the Power of Three episode.
When you're a time traveler and you can hop in and out of time and skip any waiting, being forced to wait for things in real time can feel like a drag.
I feel like splashing pain on the monster might have been brilliant
As things gets worse people tend to see their old problems as less severe, and this video shows it, and its not a bad thing
I think Harrys slowly coming to terms with the moffat era. Sure, it has alot of problems(especially Capaldis seasons), but I personally really liked Matt Smiths run, even a majority of season 7.
@@mrknowhere6457 I generally think matts stuff is pretty strong minus 7B. But I may be biased because capaldi is my favourite modern doctor
@@bigpenny8223 Capaldis performance was so good that I even enjoyed the bad episodes
@@bigpenny8223 For me:
Series 5 - Great
Series 6 - Ok (minus the weird finale)
Series 7 - Didn't watch it all the way through but 7A was a mixed bag and 7B from what I've heard wasn't very good.
As for the Capaldi series, I wasn't the biggest fan of Series 8 so I didn't bother watching Series 9 but I did come around for Series 10 and quite enjoyed that one.
Virgin art connoisseur: Vincent Van Gogh
Chad art connoisseur: Vincent Van GOFF
Vincent Fan Houk, kinda.
As long as it’s not Van Go I don’t really mind
Brits say it one way, Americans say it another, and the Dutch....say something entirely unpronounceable to the English tongue.
@@PaxIesus That's not too difficult. English native speakers can't even remember umlaut most of the time.
@@TheDanishGuyReviews In the words of my Japanese neighbors "Nani the fuck is an Umlaut?" XD
(I jest, I know what one is)
I was a bit rash leaving a comment on your other vid - didn't realise you did a follow up review with your change in mindset! Really admire your self-awareness and that you took the time to essentially go back on your original views
I like the term 'redux review'
Re-review?
I never knew this episode was written by Richard Curtis, who did, About time, Love Actually and Notting Hill. It makes so much sense why I love this episode, Bill Nighy’s speech has his fingerprints all over it with the music in the background. And that’s probably how they got Bill to do have a role, through his connection with Richard
I would absolutely love more Redux Reviews! Like maybe a look back at Peter Capaldis earlier stuff? That's all up to you of course Harry.
Tony Curran was great in his episode of primeval.
I've just realised that him saying sorry about the beard after kissing nighe is referring to Amy's line just minutes before, quite a funny little two step joke
I always watch that final scene immediately after watching Loving Vincent, it's my personal epilogue.
I think this could have been an excellent episode, but it's let down by the monster being literal. If it had stayed invisible all the way through, then the allegory would be more poignant and thus make the episode a true masterpiece. As it stands, I find it rather mediocre.
@ iirc it was actually the BBC that said "no we need alien monster now pls"
@@osmo2384 Also very possible.
Finally someone else who finds this episode mediocre
I think you as a written but especially a critic and analyser have became a lot better since your original videos, which is why I really do hope for you to one day take a look again at Heaven Sent and World Enough and Time, as you gave them both a completely disservice
I really can't wait for you to get around to the Heaven Sent again.
Wow, he's able to plugin both his patreon AND his sponsor within the first minute of the video. Incredible.
Way better than dragging it on for 90+ seconds like most people do for their sponsor alone.
This episode never fails to make me cry
5:30 the mini visible krayfayis -- wait, that's what the invisible space monster evolved from??? genius. probably also a naughty, non-pc joke in there.
Tony Curran also plays a weary Medieval mercenary knight who travels to 2009 and learns his fate. It’s equally emotional to his portrayal of Vincent.
Primeval Series 3 Episode 7
Rewatched that episode recently! I was surprised to see that he was the knight. Since that Primeval episode aired a year earlier I wonder if they were at least partially inspired by it as the two emotional moments are quite similar.
I love the mario galaxy music in the old review
As a guy with depression myself this episode strikes me on a personal level and is my favourite 11th doctor episode
All he has to do now is redo the heaven sent review.
Harry has certainly matured since his olden days. To be fair, I was like that when I first saw this episode back in 2010. But I definitely appreciate it nowadays; guess I'm more in touch with my emotional/storytelling appreciative side over the past couple of years. I love how Harry was criticizing his younger self at moments in this review. 🤣 I must admit I do prefer the pop song they chose for Vincent's Paris Visit over the godawful "Rise Up" Track that they play for way too long in Series 11's Rosa episode. Gah.
Keep up the great work, Harry.
I'm glad you were able to revisit your past videos and be willing to change your opinion mate. This episode was always a favourite of mine, as I have been through depression and I know many of my friends have. This is relevant, as the writer for this episode, Richard Curtis, was using his memory of his late sister, who committed suicide, to do exactly what Bill Nighy claimed vincent did - turn his pain and depression into ecstatic beauty. I accept that not everyone agrees with this episode, and that's fine. But personally, this episode feels like it speaks to me, and helps me understand the pain I've been through and most importantly, helps me to move on. Just like how "heaven sent" helped me to understand my grief for both my step-aunt and my grandfather (both of whom died withing 2 months of eachother) and move on, at least a little. That's why these two episodes will always get a 9/10 from me. They are by no means perfect, but they more than achieved what the writers wanted to. I'm sorry for ranting, but I just wanted to share my opinion on this topic.
I like the episode but the I’ve never liked the monster.
Man I loved this ep, mostly for VVG. I remember feeling excitement every time he showed up, the alien plot was pretty forgettable but everything else was great or at least engrossing.
Vincent hadn’t been on the Tardis yet so didn’t have the translation app downloaded (I’m sure there is a better way to say that). The Doctor would need to translate the dying creature for Vincent to understand.
Does... does Harry know who Bill Nighy is?!?!
i like to pretend we never saw the monster
I agree with your self-assesement of having developed a lot and watching the show nowadays from a more generous and open perspective. I never thought, you weren't a fan and had respected you for that and for your editing that was miles above everyone in the Doctor Who community 4 years ago. But I clocked you as a person who somewhat wanted to hate the show. But now, you seem to take proper care in seeing all there is to see. There's no better reviews for for example season 11 out there than yours. I've recently rewatched your and other reviews of Kerblam, and none but yours managed to hit home every single big issue of the episode.
Currently aside from you, I think DAVIS does a magnificent job at making entertaining fast paced videos. He incorporates Big Finish, and just does what he loves to do, I probably don't watch 80% of his videos but the videos I do watch are labours of love. He's also very clever and mature about the show and his tastes most closely allign with mine, where great character work and emotion can excuse any plot holes and magical conveniences.
Secondly, I also like to shout out Stubagful. I appreciate his incredible ability to get and relay the gist and themes of any story he's confronted with. He manages to ignore the nonsense and talks about the stories on a more abstract level. His visualizations are also incredibly charming and I think he's solely responsible for the massively above-average use of the word "adore" in the Doctor Who community.
Tony curran who played vincent was in the ITV dr who knock off "primeval" played a medieval knight
Of course you're allowed to change your mind, but please don't just regurgitate the popular opinion on these episodes.
I subscribe for Harry's unique take, not what the general consensus is. If I wanted that, I would read IMDB.
He was still decently critical
TC is in season 2 I believe of a show called seal team, he plays a retired tier 1 seal with PTSD and a TBI
I think you got those dislikes because most love that vince is one of the greatest artist and yeah, giving a "low" score on your video. Pretty sure they took that as you didn't see his depression.
It wasn't a bad review necessarily. I'm just glad of new content anyway
It takes a bigger man than me to be able to go back and criticize your old work. I can't even listen to my own voice when recording my voice mail greeting.
You should re-review heaven sent because that was a 10/10 episode for me
Proud of your personal growth, relatable af
Episodes still to review:
The Unquiet Dead
The Long Game
Boom-Town
Born-Again
New Earth
The Idiot's Lanturn
The Infinite Quest
The Lazerus Experiment
Time-Crash
Voyage Of The Dammed
The Next Doctor
Meanwhile In The TARDIS (#1)
Victory Of The Daleks
Meanwhile In The TARDIS (#2)
The-Lodger
The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
Space/Time
A Christmas Carol
The Impossible Astronaut/Day Of The Moon
The Curse Of The Black-Spot
The Doctor's Wife
The Rebel-Flesh/The Almost-People
A Good Man Goes To War
Night-Terrors
The Girl Who Waited
The God-Complex
Closing-Time
The Wedding Of River-Song
The Doctor, The Widow, And The Wardrobe
Asylum Of The Daleks
Dinosaurs On A Spaceship
A Town Called Mercy
The Power Of 3
Angles Take Manhattan
P.S.
The Snowmen
The Bells Of Saint John's
The Rings Of Akkatan
Cold-War
Hide
Journey To The Center Of The TARDIS
The Crimson Horror
Nightmare In Silver
The Name Of The Doctor
An Adventure In Space And Time
The Night Of The Doctor
The Fiveish Doctors Reboot
The Last Day
The Day Of The Doctor
The Time Of The Doctor
Last Christmas
If anyone's interested, I'm also reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me already done the first 3 Doctors. No pressure, of course, just might be worth checking out! :)
Would love some kind of fan edit of this episode. Its so close to being one of the best I just want to see some of the bad parts cut out
I really took the actor who played Van Gogh for granted. You're absolutely right, this actor is fantastic at playing that part.
I for one don't think your previous review was rotten. If its your honest feeling i cant call it rotten. It was however exactly the kind of criticism i dislike where it felt like you went in wanting to hate the piece and only looked for things to pick on and not for things to enjoy. I think the best critics go in to a piece wanting to enjoy it and having positivity in it. I can understand that it can be hard to muster that up sometimes but going into a review with a good attitude and positivity can make the experience enjoyable even if the film or television show has flaws. I guess what mean is the content was not rotten but the attitude was a little bit. I'm glad you went back and gave it a better, fairer shot. That does show a lot of growth.
5:27 its what you call a chicken
I think that the episode was great because it showed that Depression is not just someone being miserable, and you can't just be saved by the 'right person'. I thought it was a great demonstration of depression. For that alone I love this episode for what it's worth.
I’ve watched your stuff for a long time but I gotta say I like your balls. By that I mean your ability to criticize your own criticism
I watched a really good thriller film with Tony Curran in called Calibre. It's so good!! (IMO at least :P)
At first I thought the 4/10 was your current score
Wish they could have gotten Vincent by Don Mclean in the episode.
Such a beautiful song
@@ellisjames4286 One of the most perfect songs ever written, imho.
Nothing says growth and humility like revisiting your past potential mistakes. Sadly, Curran is one of the most underutilised acting talents and deserves far more high-profile roles.
He was great in Primeval too. He played a knight with a similarly emotional time travel moment. Definitely an underrated actor.
Really liked this one but I feel it leans heavily on the casts performance. I get those that don’t like it. The ending brought out the tears.
Finally! The review everyone wanted
I quite like Vincent and The Doctor, it's one of my favorite episodes of 11ths run. Maybe it's because I saw it when I was new to Doctor Who? Maybe it's because I have always enjoyed Van Gogh's art? Maybe I'm in love with Karen Gillan? Who knows. But nevertheless, I give it a 9/10 for all the feels.
I was kind of hating series 5 so far until this episode. This was the very first episode of New Who that managed to make me cry.
Didn't cry with Doomsday or Journey's End (that one had me close though) but Vincent and the Doctor did it. My problem with this episode is that I was moved because I empathised with Vincent, an episodic character, but I couldn't connect with any of the main characters. I still didn't care about Amy or Rory, or their relationship with the Doctor the way I did with Doctors 9 and 10 companions.
So, I think Vincent and the Doctor was a great episode, but Series 5 as a whole, wasn't very good.
finally justice for vincent and the doctor
Harry! What is the song at 4:17, it’s doing my head in! Xx
What do you think?
I loved it then. I love it today.
Vincent and the doctor has always been one of my favorit new who episodes.
I have seen your other review of it long ago, and sorry to say i think i am one of those who downvoted it. Not so this time. 👍
PS: Just checked. Yes I am one of those bad, bad viewers who gave you a 👎 lol
whoever shimmy giggle is....... good name
2016?? I thought Let's Kill Hitler and this were recent
huh
2016 is when he reviewed those episodes. Not the year they aired. :-)
@@TheHufflepuffSaint - I know, still feels like yesterday these reviews came out hahaha
This is probably my favourite episode of Matt Smith's era!
After 5 years I finally realized that the art specialist at the start and end was Davy Jones.
Then would it interest you to know that several years before this episode came out, in 2006, Van Gogh and the art specialist had previously worked together in the movie Underworld: Evolution? Tony Curran (Van Gogh) played Markus, the first vampire, and the art specialist (Bill Nighy) played Viktor, a vampire elder that took over leadership of the coven when it was decided that Markus wasn't reliable anymore. 🖤
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Sounds.......interesting.
@@chrispy3369 It is, and granted I really only said it because UE came out the same year Bill Nighy first appeared as Davy Jones, but since I watched Underworld before I watched Doctor Who, I was so surprised when I saw them in this episode together. And technically Bill is only in the opening prologue scene of UE since the rest of the movie is centered more so on Markus's release but still, I always find it to be a fun little connection whenever I re-visit the end scene of Vincent hugging the specialist in particular. 😆
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Damn you really like this movie, I might check it out later on.
@@chrispy3369 As a fan of vampires and werewolves, yes, I do like the movie. Markus's bat creature design especially is freaking stellar. And I was about to say to watch its predecessor, Underworld (2003) first, but then I remembered that Selene (Kate Beckinsale) does a mini re-telling of the first film shortly after the prologue so if you're not interesting in going in order then I think you'll be fine. 😆
Watching Daredevil after knowing this episode was very weird
3:43 HAHAHAHAHA IM CRYING
I've had a change of view too, any episode of Who depresses me a bit because I know how it all crashed and burnt.
Long ago,a lady love past away. She committed suicide. I wondered if I had affected her life at all in a positive way. Did any of our love matter? Was she ever happy? Well, upon watching this episode and hearing the Doctor's bottle metaphor, I came to a peace.
Shit I just relized this was season 5, I forgot that
“Murdering murdering- I’m an American- oH hARRY”
The episode isnt the best.But the monster being symbolic of mental illnes that is really beatufull and lonley is perfect.
I do love this episode, but I feel it would have been better if we never saw the monster, with the idea of him being purely in Vincent's head. This would have made it MUCH better imo.
I love this episode so much easily one of my favourite the ending is just so wholesome
Damn... I forgot how harsh the original review was, 4/10?
I stopped watching your videos a while ago because they felt kinda cynical to me - You've come on leaps and strides though if this episode is anything to go by - still criticising but more fairly now. Always good to see someone who can change their opinion over time, good on you man
Been waiting for another who review
Now redo Heaven sent lmao
Nope, first review was better
Ummm....no?
What a cop-out to people complaining they disagree with you. Really lessens your value as a reviewer
no
Why is lattice royale on the cover of your original review?
If I wrote this episode I would have made this episode the first outing for the other demensional beings the Boneless
Nothing in this episode sucked...lol ok maybe nigly details but oh how I love this one!!!
I'll admit this episode isn't perfect but it means a lot to me personally and I'd probably put it as my favourite episode of who
Your watching the video shots came off like you're just trying to change what you said to be popular.
Vincent and the Doctor: 7.8/10
Original Review: 7/10
This Review: 7/10 (Good points brought up even if comes off that way)
The episode is vastly over-rated (9.3@IMDB) but 4 was much too harsh for what is still solid Who despite the clear flaws in the script. 6-7 is about right.
commenting to feed the a l g o r i t h m
I hear a negative word we're done Harry itll be over