Saturn & Saturnalia - Generation & Dissolution
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- Опубликовано: 6 дек 2022
- Saturn is best known as the God of Saturday and of the Saturnalia, a festival closely times to the Winter Solstice. Yet what is the original nature of this mysterious God?
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Good presentation. Saturn was also known as the black ⚫️ sun in occultic and secret societies of old, and contemporary. Father time, Lord of the Rings, the hexagon north pole, etc. It could also represent Satan, Kronos ate his babies and this has ties to ancient child sacrifices.
I was hoping to hear something related to that.
It's fascinating that Saturn can be represented by a black cube. A hexagon is a 2-D representation of a cube, and what do we find? A hexagonal storm swirling at Saturn's north pole. Thinking about this too much will keep you up all night. 🤔
Tantalus had a dinner for the Gods and cooked his head not son
The Gods were incensed and condemn him to the dark dungeons
And ye shalt know the truth and the truth shall set you free
Jesus only begotten son sacrifice???
You wanna know the real secret? Be warned be watching but look up Chiron Last. The Golden Web 1-3. About 7 hours total but it explains origins of Saturn, isis, black whole sun, all of it. It explains phonetic origins, ph levels, law, how humans are acidic food fodder food batteries for intersimensional entities that keep us in this 7 layered ratio reality, likened to a DVD loop. Esoteric occult extravaganza. But you will forever be scarred, it has made me question everything.
Or you can be a deaf Phoenician and go back to your happy LIEf
Sounds like the ninth circle
Have you seen the Mithraic Saturn? The statues of him from within Mithraeums depict Saturn as holding different aspects of many other gods, a lightning bolt of Jupiter, a wand of Mercury, a hammer and tong of Vulcan, and a pinecone of Asclepius. I believe it was a development from him as a creator god into a monistic view of the highest god, almost like Vishnu.
"Mithras sometimes found followers in unexpected places."
[The Eagle of the Ninth, Rosemary Sutcliff, 1954]
Yes, I have seen it.
Yes. One of the hidden Bull gods.
@@FortressofLugh - HERE is our Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER (Genesis 1) HIMSELF was Who they Crucified/Pierced for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moshe (Moses) wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
hypostasis…
In high school I took Latin, ever since my teacher taught us about Saturnalia, I’ve ever since been interested in old ways and old things. Thanks to you ❤️
Many of the old ways and Rituals are still observed by a lot of people. It is always good to see Them presented in a positive light without Christian bias. So much has been deliberately sensationalized and hidden over the centuries.🖤🇨🇦
@@tamarrajames3590 agreed! Christianity feared Paganism bigtime!
Isn’t it interesting how a great teacher can impact you🖤 I still remember a teacher that had us do a Mesopotamian bazaar, everyone with a stall and something they were selling…then we learned about the Industrial Revolution and we had a “factory” in the classroom and she was yelling at us and smacking us with the ruler so we would work faster😂. I still remember that in my 30s. She was a good teacher.
@@amodernalchemist432 I think it’s more the Catholic Church (which includes Islam-if you know you know) fears paganism because *it* wants to be the only conduit between men and god, where true spirituality of any kind places man in direct communion with God.
@@tamarrajames3590 "sensationalized" is just another word for truth, "Christian bias" so worldly heathen bias to all things is fine? You're a walking contradiction please don't comment again.
The first day of Saturnalia, this year, will be a Saturday.
Its been a long day and seeing a new video from Fortress of Lugh actually put a smile on my face.. thank you Kevin... 🙏
Crazy how much things have changed yet stayed the exact same
i really can't stand the people who try to equate saturn to satan. wonderful video, i have always been a big saturn fan.
They do that because, they are too dumb to realize, - that a similar sounding name, doesn’t equate to being the same thing.
Morons who just want to demonize other faiths. An unfortunately common practice of abrahamic religions which tend to be very intolerant.
*Mocks and demeans others for their views*
"Stop oppressing me!" she screeches.
It’s still equates to Satan. Just in a different less demonized light.
The Saturnalia pagan festival...is where Christians get many of their Christmas "traditions". Taken from pagan Saturnalia...Christians use pagan traditions and incorporate them into Christmas traditions. The "Yule" was one example mentioned in this video. It is odd that many Christians do not know know many of their Christmas traditions...come from paganism.
You are correct, Christianity was created by the Roman government and to reach as many people as possible adopted tradition’s already being practiced because people tend to stay in familiarity when transitioning culture. Same as Rome has always practiced. What better way to romanize the province of Syria Palestina.
Praise Saturn ❤
All of you are wrong. Christmas never belonged to Rome. They stole it. Santa Claus is Odin. It’s the Anglo-Saxon/Germanic/Scandinavian god. He roamed the sky on a reindeer and he left gifts for children and children left out stockings, left out hay for reindeer, and cookies for him. Romans converted ALL of Europe. They tried for centuries but were unable to get the ppl to stop doing their traditions. So they stole them and then made up a made up story about St. Nick. Catholic Church has lied since the beginning. Halloween was an Irish holiday. Romans were nothing but ppl who stole from everyone
Literally everyone knows that... the church incorporated pagan traditions into its holidays to make the transition from paganism to Christian easier for the people. They figured as long as it's goal is glorifying Christ/God, the exact celebration rules don't matter so much. It's a fun reminder of our ancestors traditions, it's not some evil secret lmao.
I wasn't raised religious, but kinda wish i was. All the evil, freakish behavior of people in this world- like most of the lgbtq phenomenon or how our ruling class is all pedos basically, and the way the worst people seem to hate Christianity is making me start to believe in Christianity... Our political class and intellectual class is totally corrupt, and is always countersignaling Christianity and when they do finally talk positively about Christianity it is to manipulate the people into supporting Israel.
They don't want what's best for me, they don't want Christianity, does that mean Christianity is what's best for me?
the Christian view is that THE God made all of that so it doesnt matter where it came from cuz it all leads back to God
Dwardu Cardona (God Star) and David Talbott (The Saturn Myth) do a fantastic job of exploring Saturn. Once thought to be the best sun. Also linked to Dionysus and Bacchus. Love this myth and this planet. Great video.
The Saturn Myth is an expensive book. I once had a copy in horrible condition with water damage and someone offered me $150 on ebay but I wish I had kept it cause all the other copies were like $600. Thanks for the other author: Cardona
@@AT-dx9pf Cardona's books are out of this world and while reading them you'll keep pinching yourself cause it will be hard even to believe his books do actually exist and so incredibly full of details that all come together in the most epic narrative that ever existed... Seriously I cant praise it enough, it's an experience that can't be described, but just faced. And don't forget there are 5 books, not just one, and they keep on giving till the very end. Btw, "The Saturn Myth" is free to download in ebook from the internet archive :)
@@giacomostefanoni7634 I have read his series twice. I should read it again soon. For me, the big question is transition from Saturn to Jupiter to current cosmos. The missing link.
@@bradcorless2930 I read them twice too, and the second read was even better as I focused on different details than the first one. The bad thing is that he unfortunately passed away after the 5th book while I think he had material for 5 more, as the story was somewhat "just began" and he hadn't even mentioned Mars yet. Of course there is much more to discover about this story, but my idea on the "transition" phase (ragnarok, apocalypse etc.) is that it didn't involve the planet Jupiter at all; if you remember Cardona gives many examples that the idea of the first god giving birth to a newer version of himself (the "sleepy, resting god" vs. the active creator one) takes on a life of its own and gets inserted in many later mythologies with 2 different identities for father god and son god; the most famous being Ouranos gets killed and substituted by Kronos, who in turn is killed and replaced by Zeus. This example is perfect to show that it's likely not a reliable sequence of events, but rather a duplication of the same archetype. There is a major disagreement on this point between Talbott and Cardona, and I tend to agree with Cardona on this as he presented much more evidence in its favor, while Talbott - as brilliant and marvelous as he his on many other issues - seems to have taken this one at heart but without proper corroboration. And I'd pay a lot of money to know what Cardona had in his notes about the arrival of the Moon, as I learned to trust his ideas and research with the utmost respect. Too bad I heard that his unpublished material won't be available anytime soon, so... we'll know the rest with the next generaion of researchers I'm afraid. Meanwhile if you haven't already, I also recommend the books by Ev Cochrane which do add much more meat to the fire, mainly about the intermediate phases of the polar configuration. And of course if you haven't stumbled into them already, the absolutely wonderful "Discourses on an alien sky" by Talbott here on YT. Cheers and happy research XD
Be careful with Talbott, et al. He was a protege of Alfred de Grazia, an admitted commanding officer for the CIA Psychological Warfare division. This is like finding out your house was built by a master arsonist, or your bank was built and run by bank robbers. If him and his CIA hirlings are pushing the Saturn theory, then it is project of some sort.
Thank you for drawing the comparisons between Saturn and Odin. Classical writers associated Odin with Mercury, but I have never thought that association to be apt. Saturn seems a much more accurate corollary to Odin, IMHO.
Compared to your older videos, this ones really good. The music, visuals, and speech fit very very well. The songs flow from one to another very well too.
That was excellently researched and presented. Gonna have to go back for seconds it was so good.
"Nor is the Wild Huntsman absent from North America. Among the Iroquois Indians he is known as Heno the Thunder. He rides on the clouds, & splits the forest trees with his thunder. When he gathers the clouds together he pours forth warm rain, & so becomes the God of Agriculture, & the Indians call him Grandfather."
[The Forest: In Folklore & Mythology, Alexander Porteous, 1928/2002, p. 145]
"To support the premise that the abstraction we call time is a primal trauma, its varied faces, which man has created out of his wish both to acknowledge & expunge this uncanny nemisis, can be identified. A historical profile might start with early Greek literature (see Fraser, 1975), which properly characterized time as tension of oscillating opposites, as in Hesiod's greater & lessor opportunities from agricultural activity or as in Aristotle's rhythmic & cyclic "duration". In a theological framework, the early Hebrews saw time reflected in a tension between Israel & God..."
[The Trauma of Time: A Psychoanalytic Investigation, Irvine Schiffer, 1978, Ch. 1, The Faces of Time]
A good video 👍🏻 I knew most of this information but thank you for the new things I learned.
Greetings Kevin yet another Masterpiece thank you... Always a sublime pleasure to receive your new work 🇿🇦☺️🌻🌹
Very interesting video. Clearly we are dealing with a very old and powerful Diety here. I believe the 3masons as well have an interest in this figure and his associated symbols. Amusingly I was watching a video just yesterday on Babylon and I spent a while pondering on thoughts of Chronos and his agricultural nature, then as luck would have I receive this video today in my subcriptions!
You’re right. They want to bring the Osiris deity during their celebrations and what they do for those celebrations are disturbing once you find out what they really do on Halloween through Christmas.
It’s not a diety.. stop with this lostness lol they are using the stars and planets as a calendar and representation of human qualities and calling them Gods, the plebs and uneducated anthropomorphized them to be actual gods that thy worship
@@Bolden47 In your very response to me you claim that the uneducated and plebes worshipped beings as gods. You rebuke your own claims.
Of course there can be esoteric interpretations of the myths and higher meanings for more advanced initiates and some of those may bealong the lines that you suggest. However I find your view ignorant also. If a God is merely a representation of the calendar then why have a God at all, why not just have a calendar?
@@echoven when i say plebs and uneducated I don’t mean stupid, just how they would see it. I’m by no means well off and still learning every day, but coming from heavily religious background then now knowing what i know and have studied the past few years.. I can see how it all has lead to where we are now as a species in search of meaning and to get a grip on our environment internally and externally.. some who are at the top of the totem use this as a means of control while practicing it themselves as a practice and not literally believing that they are praising and worshiping a god but more so the cycle of life and the energy that is encapsulated in the cycle. We are creatures of habit and energy and perspective is powerful. We have the power to take matters in to our own hands through the mind and body of ritualistic practice i reverence to the cycle of things. Ultimately there is a means of creating reality and existence itself but I believe that endeavor to find the creator is never ending and that this dimension and 3 dimensional existence is a creation of collective desire and dream brought into physical form to experience our desires, but we get lost in them. From what I said if you take that and read all religious text you’ll see what they were trying to understand and encapsulate in a book or ideology, but it becomes dangerous when it becomes a doctrine to worship someones anthropomorphized god.
@@Bolden47 The ancients saw them as gods, divinities beyond this physical realm. Why shouldn't we call them as such? Your logic is shallow and factually wrong.
Fascinating video, truly an interesting journey that took us to some unexpected places
I learned something new today! Thank you! ❤
Nice! I was watching your Xmas video just yesterday, and we were talking about Saturnalia with another commenter. 😁
This is beautifully put together and presented. Thank you for making this. I love when I discover gems like your channel! Subbed 🍻
Fantastic!! Well done so glade I found your channel!!
Always great content, thanks!!
Super interesting as usual, thank you 😊👌
Great video, thank you!!
“When the nature of the gods disappears, there appears the nature of things” - Cicero.
I enjoyed this presentation. Right place, right time.
Leonardo da Vinci said " the greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions " Plato shared with us wisdom he learnt from Egypt, wisdom that was a death sentence in Greece, Rome (Christianity )...Pythagoras, Socrates and later Hypatia of Alexandria. Plato in his dialogue "The Republic " tells the parable of "The Cave ".Plato starts the parable by telling us of prisoners being held in a underground den, let us examine this den via the geometry of Bernhard Riemann and Felix Klein...Klein bottle...3rd and 4th dimensions. Plato tells us that the prisoners are bound up unable to move their heads, let us examine this bondage via the psychology of Erich Fromm...socialisation of consciousness...aware-unaware. Plato tells us that the prisoners mistake shadows for substance, let us examine this mistake via the philosophy of Thales, Hume and Kant...synthetic a priori judgement...not thing in itself. Plato tells us that one of the prisoners is released, let us examine this release via the wisdom of T Lobsang Rampa...stilling the mind and consciousness astral travel...leaving the cave/body. Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds.
Thanks I needed that
To be a prisoner of the mind is to be a prisoner of fate.
Brother you spoke pure unadulterated facts. People need to let go of all these dogmas and ignorance and truly emancipate themselves.
wisdom? from the slave traders of Egypt? what kind of delusions are you reading, my brother?
I loved that you uses the Xenogears song. Mitsuda is really on another level and it goes very well with your video
I'm increasingly more and more convinced that human sacrifice was a matter of course and not an exception in the ancient world. Many of the human sacrifice and blood sacrifice to gods are also in Ancient Americas
???? human sacrifice in any form isn’t acceptable
@@mcfcDJ51 agreed
@DJ besides the point though...
We sacrifice humans on an unprecedented scale now
@HK50droid agreed but it isn't on a literal alter. It happens on a masked and veiled level. But some of the old forces are still at play they just do it in the dark and account for it differently so we don't blame them for it. From _war_ to _abortion_ we have scape goats at play.
I am glad to see you moving in this direction because I was disappointed you did not connect the Dagda to Saturn and Saturnalia in your Christmas Traditions video last year.
Do you think it is safe to say, then, given the similarities, that there must have been a a Celtic version of Saturnalia or something like it?
For me personally, I believe Father Christmas/Santa is the easiest and best way to introduce modern people to one of our (their own) ancient and noble Gods.
For me to say that, in brief terms, they do not receive the Dagda as a stranger but he is in fact the identity of a figure they already know and have been making offerings to since they were children at Christmas (milk and cookies) is a powerful thing indeed.
The ancient celtics celebrated the solstices.
Gods can be compered and syncretized, You can say that they are the same God, like Caesar said about Odin and Mercury which would be called Thoth or Hermes by Alexandrian Greeks, but Celts or Romans, were different people after all as well as their traditions
Ladaell dudael
Super interesting super informative you have a great voice and are a great presenter
Awesome video. Keep up the good work. I subscribed
Wonderful video!!
Thank you for noting that he is definitely Roman first and equated with Chronos later
Fantastic video!
Damn, this was so good bro!
Extremely helpful in understanding Saturn!
Fascinating and pact full with information.
Loved it. Thank you.
Greetings and Happy Saturnalia!
IO SATVRNALIA AMICVS
Happy Saturnalia to you, may health and prosperity be with you in the coming seasons.🖤🇨🇦
Remarkably well put for the masses. "Tune in" to Saturn to find out where these "doorways" lead. Think of us as "traversers" instead of "worshippers" and yourself as a God capable of traversing
9:23 I recall hearing that “Dees (spelling?) Patter” means “sky father” not wealthy father. The word for day and sky are similar in many Indo-European languages and there are many commonalities in their mythologies like having a sky god who is either associated with storms and lightning or who has a son who is associated with them. I remember hearing this and it finally making sense why Romans called their God Jupiter while Greeks called theirs Zeus. I had assumed they were different gods entirely which got merged (that’s partly true) but it turns out the names were pretty similar with the word father attached and the reason the Roman’s had such an easy time merging their religions with other nearby ones is because of the common details due to similar Indo-European descent.
Just say Aryan not Indo-European.
@@michaelb4538 No, because Aryans are just one group - descended of the Indo-Europeans.
Excellent video. Are you planning on making a video on Zeus/or Jupiter?
Always good info thank u mucho
Many thanks watching the Roman Saturnalia in Chester tonight.
Good! I have been researching this myself.
I will be interested to hear what you have to say.
Loved it thanks
This might not interest you as a video, but I think it would be cool if you did an overview of Celtic literature. I don't know if there is a compilation of the narratives published somewhere, but I'd like to read it in translation.
”Arguably the best day of the week is named after him... ”
Au contraire
Saturday, wait
And Sunday always comes too late
But Friday, never hesitate
Our lady Freyja. Got that Friday feeling~~☆ (and it's only Monday!)
Right - Freyja (or Venus) day!
Well played Freya is everybody's favorite.
I have sadly neglected your videos. But that just means I have more to watch.
Nice work. But Balbus may be also right when he says that Saturn's name also comes from Satis, meaning the satiety that is peculiar to the pure or simple intellect that is Kronos (kouro-nous). Its relation to Dis Pater seems to be the same in which Kronos is overthrown by Zeus and thrown into Tartarus. If Zeus becomes the ruler of heaven, the deposed king becomes the chthonic ruler as Hades. One rules activity or demiurgy and the other, rest, or the original state.
You don’t know Greco-Roman Mythology, do you?
I just heard it described that Saturn, Satan, Seth was the first aspect of creation to go off and create something of it's own. When all the aspects of the highest divinity were in harmony and were in cosmic union, Saturn had something else inside of it and so it simply wanted to express it. It was the first to break down the barrier of limitless space and consciousness and emptiness and fill it with the infinite multitude of creation as we know it. In doing so it created polarity which was necessary for creation to happen, so both good and bad things were created. But it became a sort of dark aspect, especially in Christianity where we weren't supposed to question things and Saturn represented something wild and abstract and got demonized as something that broke the rules. Without it the universe wouldn't be here
Exactly. Saturn is actually the personifying and materially energizing force to all life as we know it. But he is also a fallen Angel, disobeying God's orders, giving humans unnatural knowledge and promising us the power that only God should have! We are not entitled to God's power!!! And so The Flood shall come again!!!
@@loudandfree4059 That's just ONE interpretation of the same aspect, nor is Satan related to Saturnus.
Not just christianity. What is the one thing in common every single major religion ever created has in common? That the universe is a place where one suffers and all life desires to escape this suffering after death. If he is the progenitor of everything as you claim yet all his subjects as far back as can be traced desire to escape your creation, then the dark aspect of creation far supersedes christianity but is an inherent desire in all life. A return to pre-saturn life
@@DaedalusR Ah here's an intelligent commenter, but yes many religions talk about this, though they interpret it differently, but kind of the same. Hinduism and Buddhism call it Maya, she's the one who puts the veil over the earth who makes us forget our true nature and past lives etc, which has its advantages, because as souls we're able to grow exponentially here as well as other places like the earth that have the same kind of duress and intensity. I think it's mostly just the earth, not so much most of the cosmos. There is kind of a satan or veil to every lower realm compared to the next realm up, which is kind of what I was talking about before, probably in past ages it wasn't as much the case. The gnostics call it the demurge I think, where a sort of demon showed up on the earth and because it was the first one here, it called itself god but in doing so, lost its connection to the divine. Either way there's something over the earth like that, or maybe its due to our collective awareness at some point in history, like a cataclysm or something that that traumatized humanity and made this place into kind of a ghetto, or the whole concept of this place was designed in higher realms to be this way, but for the purpose of the opportunity for growth and transformation
@@integratedalchemist Well I came to this video because I had come to the revelation that i had encountered Saturn as a sick child in a fever dream. It was a very profound dream that i had and through years of research i had eventually come across and realized it’s an entirely common yet nearly unknown and undiscussed phenomena shared by hundred of thousand across the world, just within our current lifetime, likely billions throughout human history. Through further pondering over 20 years i came to the conclusion that the experience resembled that of encountering Saturn. So yes, I would agree there are some sort of higher powers at play. Saturn being geometric entity existing on a plane that transcends time and fate itself.
I’m surprised you haven’t done a video on Ogma, yet. I would like to hear your thoughts regarding him.
Great video, very informative, gods personifications of the forces of nature.
'And I looked up and Behold I saw Pale Horse and Upon him sat Death.
FINALLY something about Saturn
Very interesting, Saturnalia sounds a lot like the serpent in the garden.
Kinda one and the same yes. When you realize that satan gets all the credit for the various false gods, who may have been fallen angels or their nephilim offspring, you start to understand. The 70 nations that were split at Babel each had their own versions of, often times, the same “people/gods” with different names and slight variations in characteristics over time. God took one nation/people for himself, and satan got all the fake gods to work his deceptions on people with. So God basically gave satan an unfair advantage knowing that He would, nevertheless, be victorious over all the false gods and lies. The one real true God beats 70 nations false gods/posers every day of the week. He stands with His arms wide open, waiting for His children to realize the truth, hidden in the midst of all these lies. There is only one true God and He loves you more than anyone else is capable of loving you. He, and His Son.
Serpentnalia!..
There was no serpent in the garden though… the Serpent is our Sexual energy. Our Lifeforce. We pervert that sexual energy to our lower animalistic nature.
@@lalameeralalameera7349 The false Jesus yes you are right.
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WoW! I'm Impressed!
20:30 - 21:44 that’s good right there! But did you say it was from the Ennied? I’m more confused with every second. lol I really need to start reading!
Saturn reminds me a lot of Woden.
Would you happen to have enough material to make a video on The Pelasgians? I would sure like to hear more about them. Legend has it that this civilization was around before the moon was in the sky. I can't seem to find much about them online and there is another channel that talks about them now and again but doesn't have much on them. Thanks for the interesting and informative video!
They’re the “indigenous” people of Europe. That’s why.
They’re the “indigenous” people of Europe. That’s why.
@@illlyrical7976 the pelasgians is a term used by classical Greek authors to describe the predecessors of Greeks
Your avatar shall get You killed.
Brutally and justly - for an association of war criminals, You knew, how it would end.
@@olbiomoiros yes, exactly! This is exactly what I've heard about them too. They inhabited ancient Greece lands before the ancient or classical Greek empires. I honestly don't know where the other guy got his info from...cuz I've never heard of only one group of "indigenous" people of Europe. There have been several groups/tribes of people through out history that are indigenous to Europe.
Saturnalia gets to be a fascinating religion when you find out it's the Antediluvian Era religion of the entire four corners of the world, which caused the need for the Great Flood
You’re delusional
Atlanteans not Aryan. Has nothing to do with race.
@@jbill2485Aryan has nothing to do with race - it merely means noble 👍
If the people knew - things would be different. Someone decided the people ought not to know, that somehow that’d be better for humanity etc... so the sabbath was changed to Sunday and the religions of old, which allude to cyclical cataclysm were cast aside as evil... there was only to be one cataclysm and it was a great flood from God, in order to reset civilisation, punish us for our ills and make us behave well in order that God not take vengeance once more! All the secret societies know this... the sun cycles and their effects on earth... the masses aren’t supposed to know!
@@jbill2485damn you tried so hard to set the race baiter straight, you became the race baiter lmao
"Put poo on the fields." - God
Saturn was also the pagan god associated the most closely with the god of the Hebrews. It has been suggested that the association of Saturn's hexagonal symbols with the Jews dates from the Roman Empire, though called, erroneously, The Star of David, the original star symbol of that house was a five sided star.
Quality content
Tis the season!
From what I've researched Saturn was actually spoken of as our sun in more than a couple traditions but still a good video
Great movie!
Are you saying Dies is Saturn? Would that offer any significance to Dies Natalis Sol Invictus? It would make sense since that is the time of Saturnalia. Do you have any early references drawing that association?
Apologies. I realize now you were talking about Dis. It is interesting that he was also associated with Pluto.
Epiphanius, bishop of Salamis (c. 310-320 - 403AD) says that at Alexandria (Egypt) Aion's birth from Kore the Virgin was celebrated January 6: "On this day and at this hour the Virgin gave birth to Aion." The date, which coincides with Epiphany, brought new year's celebrations to a close, completing the cycle of time that Aion embodies... In Ptolemaic Alexandria (305 BC-30 BC), at the site of a dream oracle, the Hellenistic syncretic god Serapis was identified as Aion Plutonius. The epithet Plutonius marks functional aspects shared with Pluto, consort of Persephone and ruler of the underworld in the Eleusinian tradition.
If we were going to take the Interpretatio Romana approach to Saturday then should it be Yimir's Day?
Kronia,the celebration was held in ancient Greece in honor of Titan Kronos and Titaness Rhea.
it took place on the night of the 12th day of Hecatombaion,(at the beginning of summer). On the day of the feast the slaves had a holiday, they could sit at the same table with their masters and in general they had more freedom, in memory of the Golden Age of the human race, when there was no slavery and heavy work.
From the adoption of the celebration by the Romans as Saturnalia, in honor of the Roman Saturn ,Kronia became a noisy festival and days of debauchery.
I always enjoy your vids and content - even if you're totally wroooong!!!
...No im just kiddin, you put a lot into your presentations & they've led me to other avenues of astrotheology info also. keep em coming & thank u mucho
I'm an AQUARIUS to understand my nature I find myself researching my ruling planet Saturn..... everything said here highly resonates with me... it makes sense. I have never learned so much in a short time thank you for this video. One of the best
I'm an Aquarius ♒ too my saturn is in Aries ♈ which is debilitated and very weak. Saturn in Leo ♌ is WORSE
@just saying so these people when we have terrible memories obsessions attachments these prove to be our downfall because we manifest them without knowing
Aquarius is co ruled by Saturn and Uranus. I have started to love my Aquarius in Mars energy even though I'm a Scorpio.
@@siyashilla6885 the subconscious mind is what is manifesting our outer reality. We must change our habitual ways of thinking, feeling, speaking and emoting if we wish to see changes in ourselves and our circumstances. In other words, we have to consciously reprogram our subconscious mind. Watch Mark Houghton's videos on how to do just that🙏.
@@hhdgdhum the subconscious mind is highly impressionable much like Piscies
So considering this God and the star alignment in December, how do you interpret the Three Kings in Christianity?
The three Kings were Chaldean astronomers..I think it is one of the strangest events in the entire biblical story that they were sent to the nativity at all. From apparently very far away and found their way by the guidance of a bright star, (Saturn?) To Christians, there is a relationship to the trinity here, which I think is not entirely off the mark. The Kabballah offers some insight:
Keter(crown)
Hokmah(Wisdom)
Binah(Intelligence)
They bring gifts and pay homage and then we never hear from them again...
The manger is surrounded by cattle, sheep, angels, Mary and Joseph. It reminds me of the seventh day of creation, wherein all of the creatures and hosts glorify the creation while God rested in the midst of the glorified Kingdom. Same pattern here which suggests that the Three Wise Kings as a Trinity, or balanced Triad, are also somehow responsible for perveying the Holy spirit and bestowing Kingship upon the child Christ. Without their blessing, perhaps it would have been a different story. Much like Jesus not being baptised by John, they are essential keys to the appearance of the manifest divinity.
Hope that sheds a bit of light on those three odd characters, Lol
It is interesting to me that Saturn is related to order and rules and structure yet its said that during his riegn there was no property enclosure or private land. I could ponder this for weeks.
When all behave, there's no need for external rules. When the rules are internalised, Saturn can have a rest.
I found this carefully researched and beautifully presented. I have a deep love for the Cthonic Deities, and am always pleased to find them dealt with in ways that speak to their complexity.
The Romans had a habit of taking the Cult statues of defeated peoples, and parading them into Rome with great ceremony. They were added to the company of “The Gods IN Rome”, and worship given to Them.
The Romans also closely guarded the information about “The Gods OF Rome”, to prevent enemy armies from seducing their Gods away from Rome, and winning battles with the help of Rome’s Gods.
The Romans told their defeated enemies that their Gods gave the victory to the Romans because They received better offerings from Rome, and wished to have the centre of Their worship moved to Rome.🖤🇨🇦
Cthonic? Never heard of it
@@cassandraford280 Chthonic relates to Earth and the Underworld, as opposed to the Celestial and sky Deities.
@@tamarrajames3590 The word "autochthonous" meaning "springing from the land" is related to that word and I always think of Lovecraft's word "Cthulu" when I see the word "chthonic."
@@kaloarepo288 Yes, he included numerous word references that gave clues to the nature of his subject matter in his works…like the common thread of “The Necronomicon”, meaning The Book of Dead Names. There is greater depth in the works of some authors who enjoyed languages and word etymology.🖤🇨🇦
@@tamarrajames3590 I try to avoid the "cthonic" deities as I associate them with death, the underworld, darkness, cold and evil -also with chaos and depression -in other words with the Christian idea of Satan -in contrast to the gods of the sky -light, the sun, love, order, civilization in other words with Jesus the redeemer god. I like to give my own take on Christianity!
A sicle-wealding god under whos rule there was no private property and it was a golden age of humanity?
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The festival of Deis Nuhtz
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Please tell me the name of the song playing in the background it starts at 2:10 please let me know ❤
Interesting, how much important and relevant information is left unsaid in this video, though obviously unspeakable. What the ardent student could do while the unconcerened remain lost. Saturn is throughly not understood. Kind regards.
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Saturn used to light up our night sky and ruled the golden age
Saturn's position within the tetractys of the Kabbalah expresses his properties very well. The seven days of creation are expressed as a hexagon with a center spot , framed by the outer three of the triad.
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The form of the hexagon also expresses one octave: the hexagon itself plus the six points plus the center lower octave that it encloses. The circular hexad encloses ( as Saturn'the father does) the six points are the six days of creation expressed as lines connecting each in a sequence, ending with the seventh day in the center ( the lower octave Saturn resting in the glory of his creation).. The number 8 is associated with his aspect of upper and lower enclosures in an eternal recurring cycle. The upper and lower DO of the octave. His aspect within the En Soph is 'Daat', or Knowledge. This is only expressed in the 'Night' aspect.
I hope this adds a little something to the lore of this diety. There is no question that the God of the Torah is this same being with all of the same properties of sacrifice, fatherhood, obedience and order, and of course the Sabbath, that elusive day in the middle is where he is in repose. So that is all ...I better stop now, Lol...
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Allegedly Saturn is responsible creating obstacles in our lives but also bestows enormous wealth to worthy peoples.
Hades is wed to Persephone (bringer of destruction) but her other title is Persephatta (mender of destruction), so not so different to Saturn being wed to Ops and Lua, considering Lua could also be another title of Ops. Concerning Romans descended from Saturn and Gauls descended from Dis, on the Proto-Indo-European language family tree, Proto-Celtic and Proto-Italic evolved out of Proto-Italo-Celtic. Concerning Saturn vs Mars, Mars was originally an agricultural deity of boundaries between farms, hence the protection of those boundaries, hence a "war" god later. If Saturn is the sky and also associated with the underworld, then considering Iuppiter displaces Saturn, could it be that day displaces night, if night precedes day? Dyaus Piter- daylit sky father. All just food for thought.
Very cool
WHAT IS THE PURPLE DAWN OF SATURN? THE BEING KNOWN AS THE ANOINTED CHERUB WHO FELL IN EZEKIEL 28?
Di -means far not seen - ti -titi comes down like night spreads the other side - far away from the eye …🌞
How are you spelling the Brythonic god you refer to (Dees)?
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both the film franchises of donnie darko and back to the future have a lot of creepy saturn worship references and they both have to do with time travel.
Greeks and hellenized Romans often syncretized Cronus/Saturn witch Chronos (time), "they were" God of cycles, harvest, winter, European death inherited his symbol - scythe, which was used to castrate him by Zeus, for eating his siblings, after all, people still say, time eats all his children
I hadn’t made that connection of time eating his children 🤯
@@yildadiquez7744 Yes, when I've heard it somewhere for the first time, I felt this eureca too
Hestia was first to be swallowed and last to be vomited out.. some say she came out the other end.
I always wondered why "Saturday" was named after a Roman god while all the other ones in English are named after Anglo-Saxon divinities. In Italian "Saturday is "sabbato" named after the Jewish sabbath, Sunday is Domenica, the Lord's Day (Dominus) and all the other days are named after Roman divinities including "Luna" the moon goddess.
I think it is just down to that they didn't know what local god was the equivalent of Saturn. Some later Norse sources equate him with Njörðr I think.
So our working week is based on some old gnostic tradition that people who acquired wealth felt everyone else should live by and that’s why we grow up to work 48 hour weeks without questioning how coercive it is?
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Saturnalia has returned.
I know the stories vary, but I think Buri was Odin's grandfather. Might make Ymir is great-grandfather of sorts
Yes, Búri is the grandfather of Óðinn.
The reason the judges wear black is because of Saturn.
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