Girandoni Rifle 1
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- The air rifle, carried by Lewis and Clark during their Corps of Discovery expedition of 1803 is shown here in a demonstrationn of the Girandoni air rifle. This one of a kind artifact led directly to the success of the Corps of Discovery and is one of our national treasures.
An original USAHEC production.
Italians are known for having invented revolutionary pieces of technology in the world of firearms.. and having them regularly be ignored by their own military
circa 1779ish ? 20 round mag rifle , 11 yrs or so before the 2nd Amendment ..... hmmm someone explain to me how the founding fathers were only talking about 1 shot muskets.
Rafael Gonzalez This was pretty much the AR-15 of the early days of the 2nd Amendment.
How many of these rifles were there back then? were >99% of firearms not 1 shot muskets when the second amendment were written?
@@DanielJustesen The Austrian army had it in service by 1780 and it also had use during the Napoleonic wars which were started not so long after the second amendment was written.
@@stevendavis6128 I really doubt there were that many guns in america that were not single shot weapons in 1791, but perhaps you have some sources that prove otherwise?
@@DanielJustesen So due to the fact that it wasn't the normal type of firearm it completely discounts the idea that the founding fathers knew guns were going to be better as time went forward? Look up the Belton flintlock, it was shown to congress in 1777 by the guy who designed the damn thing and it fired multiple rounds one after another. And the Puckle gun, A crank operated gun with a revolving cylinder that despite not widely used was in fact well known by most during the revolution, and the Puckle gun was patented all the way in 1718. even if you drifted away and tried to talk about single shot weapons the Ferguson Rifle was a breech loaded musket emplacement. Due to being a breech loader rather than a muzzle loader it was was loadable 2-3x as fast as a normal musket and the Ferguson was used on the American Revolutionaries.
Amazing engineering and craftsmanship. 100-130 FPE On only 800 psi? Even more amazing if that’s true. That is quiet too. The release of the valve has got to be way different than what they use today with the heavy hammer cylinder type systems. Imagine this concept on a smaller caliber, say .22 or .25 with that same 800 psi fill. Who’s listening? Make it happen.
800psi is not too high.
@@TerrariumFirma i saw a video of a guy who made the reservoir that can hold up to 3000 psi, he made it from a machined stell bar
Here's the video: ruclips.net/video/juOQ9Ij3G1c/видео.html
You can. Even full automatic.
@@TerrariumFirma dude... modern pcp run at 3000-4500 psi
@@tiberiu_nicolae I was about to say, they're throwing 350gr bullets at 1000FPS or faster..... But for the time with the technology putting an 800 PSI cylinder next to your face and surviving was pretty incredible!
I love showing this to anti gunners who believe that we didn't have Knowledge bolt action semi automatic rifles when we were a new nation
It won’t change their minds, they want your freedom so the government can own you without fear of reprisal. They have no interest in you being able to protect yourself.
They had breechloading and repeating firearms prior to the 1600's. It's one of those "inconvenient truths". Powerful big bore airguns existed as well.
I came from Empire: Total War to see how this magnificent OP rifle of Austria actually worked.
Windbusche Jaegers
where can you buy a replica of this gun?
You can't. You might be able to convince one or two craftsman to build you one bespoke for an extremely large amount of money, but otherwise nobody is producing these replicas at volume. Though there is a fellow selling non functioning non firing replicas on eBay.
But, but, when the founding fathers wrote the second amendment all they had were single shot flintlock muskets.....
Yeah right!
The gun banners would call the Girandoni an "assault rifle" and try to ban it too.
uncletigger Are you talking to the OP or anti-gunners?
Quite a few States and many nations already regulate them as firearms, in fact many countries prohibit air rifles from being too powerful lest you need to register it as a firearm.
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@@Beuwen_The_Dragonand? They’re still a bunch of cucks for doing so.
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Thats a dagger, a sword, a gun, a flame thrower......though using a bazooka for home defense is overkill..still counts...though that and land mining the yard so the neighbors dog stop shitting in your yard won't end well😏
Yep, they would, they want to ban fixed magazines over 10 rounds...
PCP big bore air rifles from 1780 and they still haven't brought the prices down.
I would love to have this old air gun
These rifles were used against Napoleon, by the Austrians. To which Napoleon ordered anyone with one of those were to be immediately, put to the sword & the rifle destroyed. Since it was so successful against his troops.
The Austrian "special" forces sharpshooters DECIMATED the Napoleonic forces and it was instrumental in having Napoleon NOT go too serious against Austria...
its the ye olde assault rifle
can it kill a man? I know it shoots .45 caliber lead balls at around 450 feet per second velocity so I assume it easily can
It was used against Napoleons troops by the Austrians
Yes, yes it can. Now, you might want to aim carefully, but it is a lethal weapon of war.
1,500. That is, one thousand five hundred FULL PUMPS to shoot 21 or 22 round projectiles . It had no rifling in the barrel
It actually Did have rifling in the barrel, it is an Air Rifle, not simply a smoothebore Air Gun. It was lethally accurate out to 100-200 yards.
A soldier armed with a Girandoni was actually VERY well armed compared with his contemporaries.
Most army regulars issued with a Musket were issued one or two Cartridge Pouches which held 20 or thirty paper cartridges.
A soldier with a Girandoni air Rifle was issued a special carry case with two Spare air canisters, and four tin Speed loading Tubes pre-filled with 22 lead balls. Effectively giving a soldier 110 lethal shots.
Most battles did not last long enough to expend most shots before soldiers were rotated back to the rear of the lines to rest and rearm.
While it lacked the range and power of common muskets, the Girandoni air rifle was a very capable weapon in close quarters, delivering an unmatched rate of accurate fire, firing 22 accurate shots in a minute where most musketeers could only manage 4 at absolute best.
No flame no smoke no recoil not much noise perfect for sniping i have a couple of modern pcp air rifles i use a high pressure air compressor pumps up to 4500 psi it would fill that old one at 800 psi in about 20 seconds seconds Good Times !!!! 😀
As precursoras das PCP
Impressive now Earth Shattering back then !!!
So much for magazine bans based upon history...
Beeman had bellow pistols too! Wow, such a novelty!!!
dang i want one
Aren't BBs shot using smoothbore have no accuracy?
Actually, airsoft guns are smoothbore. The reason why there isn't rifling in the airsoft guns is because the bbs are travelling at relatively low velocities. For example, a high end modified airsoft 'sniper' rifle would have muzzle velocities at around 660 fps, whereas a typical .22 lr round (one of the weaker ammunition types in terms of muzzle energy) has a velocity of about 1070 fps. Due to this lower speed the projectile travels at, the projectile would be less susceptible to tumbling, which is when a bullet loses gyroscopic stability due to it losing its spin rate before its velocity decreases. With rifling, the bullet loses velocity before it loses its spin. Hence as airsoft guns operate at much lower velocities, the need for rifling in a bb is not necessary. Furthermore, airsoft guns usually have a hop-up unit, which is a piece of plastic used to impart backspin on the bb to help increase range through the magnus effect. This backspin however also provides some rotational force on the bb, and since bbs are spherical, it acts as a form of gyroscopic stability for the bb, hence 'rifling' the bb. But do note that the airsoft gun barrel itself does not contain any rifling.
This rifle was also made in 1779, which meant that guns have not implemented the use of rifling yet. Although rifling was invented around 1550, it was not implemented in firearms until 1855 when the springfield 1855 was made. As such, accuracy in muskets was terrible, especially in flintlock pistols. In response to the lack of rifling, muskets were made with much longer barrels than conventional rifles today. This partially worked, as it had increased the effective firing range from a flintlock pistol's effective range of 20-30 yards to 100 yards for a musket. As such, this air rifle never saw the implementation of rifled barrels, just like its black powder cousins.
Also, air rifles have a much lower operating pressure than conventional black powder or smokeless propellant guns. As such, friction from typical rifling grooves would reduce the muzzle energy of the bullet/pellet. For comparison, the pressure rating in this air rifle is 800 psi, whereas the .22 lr round has a pressure of around 24000 psi (I couldn't find specific operating pressures of black powder guns, possibly due to the inconsistent powder charge sizes, but given that muskets had calibers ranging from .69 to .80, and had the power comparable to a 12 gauge shotgun, its safe to assume that operating pressures were much higher than the .22 lr and hence this air rifle). This difference in pressure results in the different muzzle velocities and energies, hence allowing conventional firearms to have rifling grooves due to the excess pressure, hence excess energy in the bullet which would allow the bullet to still have more than enough energy to be lethal. As such, by introducing rifling grooves into the air rifle, the muzzle energy would decrease, hence lethality of the bullet would decrease, and the rifle would be less effective for combat purposes. (However modern day airguns have also implemented rifling grooves to improve accuracy as most modern day airguns operate at much higher pressures, e.g. the Airforce Texan which operates at about 3000 psi. Hence loss of muzzle energy would be insignificant and the pellet would still be lethal enough to kill big game.)
Hope this helps 🙂
@@pinsky1237 My Goodness your explanation is so educational and worth making a video covering just the topic!!! Thanks for the great input, i will surely read it again and again 😁 A big hug for YOU 🤗
@@henryToped No problem! I'm glad that this had really helped you. You see, I myself am testing out to see if spherical ammunition can be 'rifled' or have imparted gyroscopic backspin without the need for rifling or sabots/fin stabilizers, which is how I came across this video in the first place. Thanks for reading the whole thing! Hope it wasn't too long ( I was afraid of ranting but didn't want to miss out on some information. Apologies if it was too long 😅but I'm so glad you found this explanation helpful) You deserve a big hug as well 😁. Have a great day 🙂
@@pinsky1237 You are generous enough to share things that others aren't willing to. Seriously if you make videos revolve around these interesting topics I'm sure many will find it worthwhile. Good day!
The actual history is that exactly this type of air rifle was being manufactured in England well before the expedition, making it the most likelihood that the Lewis & Clark air rifle was manufactured in England. The Staudenmayer example of exactly this type of air rifle in the Public Museum of Milwaukee, the one that actually was displayed by the Smithsonian during the 200 year celebration traveling display, is much more likely to have been the original gun used on the expedition. Although the exact gun that went on the expedition is in question, the type is not. The gun shown in this video is exactly what Meriwether Lewis used; there is very little variations in this gun, the basic components were mass produced before being finished by a gunsmith. Most all Girandoni types seen around the world in museums are of this exact type. There is no chance that all of this guns were handmade by Girandoni in his workshop. No unquestioned example of an original Girandoni has yet to be identified; contrary to Dr. Beeman's assertions.
Dean Fletcher the girandoni was made in Italy
Shay Patrick Cormac brought me here
amazing
This Guy is lost in his own nonsense. And it’s Italian made, and it took 1,500 FULL PUMPS to shoot 21or 22
Muzzle velocity, any one?
they apparently had/have similar ballistics to a 45 acp..so ~850fps
Strelok88 I think I've read 450 fps... But I'm too lazy to research
Marzaland Taken from the wikipedia page ". It fired a .46 caliber ball[3] at a velocity similar to that of a modern .45 ACP"
Cool thanks|
Wait I found this in the description of another video based on a real Austrian 1780 model... "The Girardoni (also spelled Girandoni) air rifle was a very advanced design adopted in 1780 by the Austrian Army. While the standard arm of the day was a single-shot flintlock, the Girardoni offered a massive firepower advantage to the men who carried it. The guns (designed by Bartholomäus Girardoni, of Vienna) had a magazine capacity of 22 round balls, which could all be fired within 60 seconds. The balls were .46 caliber, weighing approximately 153 grains, and were propelled at 400-450 feet per second. They were rumored to be silent, but actually had a loud report (although quieter than gunpowder firearms). One of these rifles was carried by the Lewis & Clark expedition into the American West"
Fantastic ! Why did not our armed forces adopt this weapon. I would have great in the war of 1812.
+Brandon Green it took something like 1500 pumps by hand to fill the air reservoir. muzzle loaders had a worse fire rate, but had more sustainable fire.
Dynikus
Thank you. Very advanced concept nonetheless.
+Brandon Green
There were alternatives, the Chambers volley gun could pump out quite a few buckets of lead. It was used aboard ships alongside blunderbusses.
It was a very complex machine with many moving parts, which means there are a lot of things that could go wrong. Simpler muskets were more reliable.
They were used during the Austrio-Turkish war.
This isn't the only example of a repeating rifle during the 1700s which wasn't used by our military. The Cookson, the Collier, Kalthoff, and Larindoni were all types of repeating flintlocks which could have up to 30 rounds. The main issue was cost and complexity of components. These types of rifles were almost always civilian owned; although, the Kalthoff saw military service in Europe.
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Isn't it a bit far fetched saying that "it directly led to the success of the corps of discovery" I mean, they have conventional guns, and they didn't really fight with it, it was just used as a novelty item to impress indians; and perhaps for hunting, as to not scare of game.
No it's not. Without the ability to demonstrate this weapon to the Indian tribes they encountered, its very possible they may have been ambushed and killed/robbed by one of these tribes. The tribes outnumbered the party by a significant amount and could have overwhelmed them easily. But the threat that they may have had many of these rifles was one of the reasons that they were not attacked.
“Impress Indians”
_”Make them fear you.”_
@@texasbountyhunter1035a little healthy fear is not a bad thing, and the power of modern weapons, though often scary, is still impressive.