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  • CNC Machine shop basics. Heres how to choose the right tool holders for your CNC Machine.
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Комментарии • 259

  • @DolezalPetr
    @DolezalPetr 2 года назад +18

    Barry you are the BOSS! Those hands? The strongest roughing tools out there! That body? The most rigid and completely indestructible mass of sheer power with no competition! No machine can match you!

  • @Sara-TOC
    @Sara-TOC 2 года назад +21

    Great video Barry! The average machine operator is only trained to pick up any holder the tool fits. I only started to learn this information as I encountered problems and/or when outside service representatives had to be called in, some came with a machining background.
    My advice to all machinists, make friends with field service technicians and applications engineers who service your machine tools. They will teach you things most won't. That's how I know much of what I do outside of general machine operation.

  • @CatNolara
    @CatNolara 2 года назад +17

    One other thing to note: HSK gets clamped on the inside while BT and SK get clamped from the outside on the stud. Because of the centrifugal forces at high RPMs the clamping force gets weaker on BT and SK while it gets stronger on HSK holders. This is something to keep in mind for really fast spinning spindles (like 30k and more)

    • @ktgmobile2552
      @ktgmobile2552 Год назад

      Max rpm is 12 revolutiones per minut so no problem, hsk100 is the best tool taper!

    • @CatNolara
      @CatNolara Год назад +3

      @@ktgmobile2552 12 rpm is extremely low, are you sure that's what you meant to write?

  • @bradleypinto1153
    @bradleypinto1153 2 года назад +12

    Great reassurance. I came to an aerospace MRO company using some off brand Korean tools and I’ve been slowly incorporating some high end kennametal tools. So far I’ve been able to prove the efficacy of the cutters and the hydro force holders, so the next step is a huge order of hydraulic and hydro force chucks !

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +1

      Awesome! Gotta love seeing other people succeed by using a quality product!

    • @theincantrix1144
      @theincantrix1144 Год назад

      Then again, I think Kennametal sucks and would never order any. 🤣

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer Год назад

      Then again, its also funny to watch someone fail due to their own incorrect prejudices

    • @theincantrix1144
      @theincantrix1144 Год назад +1

      @@barrysetzer Then again, Kennametal isn't at or near the top of the industry for a reason. Is, and has been overrated for a long time. Wonder who is more correct, the industry as a whole (myself included) or you.

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer Год назад

      Awwww very cute. Feel free to come take some lessons in productivity.

  • @mattsnow4116
    @mattsnow4116 2 года назад +18

    Weight is not the ONLY reason you can run HSK or Capto faster than a traditional milling machine taper.
    The drawbar is a HUGE difference. To put it as simply as possible 30/40/50 taper tools "OD clamp" the pullstud so the faster you rotate the less clamping force you have. HSK on the other hand "ID clamps the toolholder" faster = greater clamping force

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +3

      Very true! You can only fit so much in a 10 minute video on the basics, but it's also worth noting that the faster you spin it, the harder it pulls..........

  • @LoneWolfPrecisionLLC
    @LoneWolfPrecisionLLC 2 года назад +13

    A tip with collet is to get it snug then spin the tool as you tighten. Helps with runout

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +1

      Good advice!

    • @chrisgorniak5888
      @chrisgorniak5888 Год назад

      Does it matter which direction you spin the tool?

    • @ipadize
      @ipadize Месяц назад

      truue im doing the same

  • @Kardos55
    @Kardos55 2 года назад +36

    Wow! What a great idea, I never seen anybody do such a comprehensive introduction/explanation of the the things machinist use every day. Great job Barry!

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +2

      Thanks Karlo!

    • @Stasiek_Zabojca
      @Stasiek_Zabojca 2 года назад +7

      Well, you probably wasn't looking fot it. Haas Tip of the Day made it long time ago 😉

  • @mohammedalbattal77
    @mohammedalbattal77 2 года назад +7

    Clean work depends 50 percent on the right tools and 50 percent on the skill of the machinist 👷‍♂️
    Great work Mr. Barry I hope to see more and more of these videos in the future
    but next time we want to see Mr. Titan here man
    we miss him so much BOOM 💥

    • @theincantrix1144
      @theincantrix1144 Год назад

      In machining (any skilled profession), it's 95% machinist and 5% tooling. Had this argument with a former owner some 25 yrs ago. Skill will always, in every instance, in any profession - trump equipment or system.

  • @ascobie22
    @ascobie22 2 года назад +10

    Great instructional video, extremely well done and thorough. For someone that's been around it's easy to pick up. For people that are new, I wish you had broken down your rating system and explained what each rank was actually measuring (TIR, Dampening, torque, etc)

  • @noahnadeau2789
    @noahnadeau2789 2 года назад +97

    "So you want to be machinist huh" yea "there is a chance you've been doing this all wrong" yea probably

    • @iemozzomei
      @iemozzomei 2 года назад +5

      As long as it's not too wrong, it's just a work in progress lol.

    • @justinvanbolhuis4941
      @justinvanbolhuis4941 2 года назад +3

      😂😂 this is too accurate

    • @a-a-ron8437
      @a-a-ron8437 2 года назад

      I take that as an absolute win. We learned something not to do in the future 😂

    • @cadneemountai2791
      @cadneemountai2791 2 года назад

      But this is the way I've been doing it for years!

    • @theincantrix1144
      @theincantrix1144 Год назад +1

      Additionally, if what you do works - do it your way.

  • @nickryan3287
    @nickryan3287 2 года назад +5

    Great video. As someone in the business of selling these I think you hit on almost everything we teach in an entire day of training in 10 mins 👍

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +1

      Hey thanks Nick! It wasnt easy to condense it all, but we are glad you approve!

  • @benjaminordonez779
    @benjaminordonez779 2 года назад +5

    great information for the industry, Thank you Barry for always helping. Your one of the anchors in the manufacturing industry, hold it down baybeee!

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      Why thank you, Ben! All about helping out our brothers in the trade!

  • @tdg911
    @tdg911 2 года назад +4

    Lot of great information. Learn something new everyday. Much love and gratitude

  • @jamescerven4400
    @jamescerven4400 2 года назад +6

    Super cool vid!! I try to use 100% shrink fit, cus I do small work and will be buying a robo with a 5th axis soon. They are so simple to use and stay clean and have great runout.

  • @jimmyp6443
    @jimmyp6443 2 года назад +5

    My Bridgeport uses R8 collets

  • @Jatsekusama
    @Jatsekusama 2 года назад +6

    Finally a video on tool holders! :D Great work, if you don't mid a part two (or more) and getting into more details would be so awesome! Great work as always!

  • @jasondk5127
    @jasondk5127 2 года назад +3

    REGO-FIX powRGrip holders are great too. Just about every machine tool manufacturer at IMTS was using these holders while showcasing their machines.

    • @machinist7230
      @machinist7230 2 года назад

      Theyre great holders, but like Shrinkfit, requires pricey equipment to change tools, with the added downside of it being a proprietary system. It does have the advantage over shrinkfit during catastrophic tool breakage - you snap an endmill down the hole in a shrinkfit holder, and it is usually a writeoff due to bore damage. Regofix, like collet chucks, it can mean tossing the collet, but the much pricier tool body remains unharmed.

  • @SuperstarComponentsLTD
    @SuperstarComponentsLTD 2 года назад +20

    Main benefit of HSK is the drawbar opens up inside rather than clamping the outside of the pullstud. So faster RPM clamps it harder rather than letting go.
    Some downsides like harder to keep clean and expensive
    Pick the right machine for your job👍

    • @richpryor9650
      @richpryor9650 2 года назад

      Do they make tri-contact HSK holders?

    • @kleini3
      @kleini3 2 года назад

      @@richpryor9650 no, the steps and dimensions would be required to be 0 and that’s not commercial durable

    • @richpryor9650
      @richpryor9650 2 года назад

      @@kleini3 As in rugged or viable?

    • @kleini3
      @kleini3 2 года назад

      @@richpryor9650 as in to expensive for everyone to pay for it

    • @richpryor9650
      @richpryor9650 2 года назад +1

      @@kleini3 No, you just have to believe

  • @RAGEAMUS
    @RAGEAMUS 2 года назад +4

    This is what you call a knowledge bomb.

  • @adamrichards7630
    @adamrichards7630 2 года назад +5

    Zero mention of capto tooling which I found interesting.

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +1

      This video was more about the tool end connection. Like I said, there are plenty of other spindle connection types!

    • @rosannamorena6913
      @rosannamorena6913 2 года назад

      Probably capto is not popular in US but very common in EU and definitely far better then HSK both accuracy and rigidity

  • @khairulaswatabdullah4682
    @khairulaswatabdullah4682 Год назад +1

    Great knowledge sharing. Been struggling to understand this things at the beginning of my career 14 yrs ago in complex composites machining with 5 axis CNC (HSK63A). Lots of try and error to reach today performance. This video helps a lot in transmitting knowledge to new machinists. Thx so much!! From Aerospace Composites Malaysia

  • @icarus_ap
    @icarus_ap 2 года назад +2

    in the uk re dont have cat40/cat50, we use metric version bt40/bt50

  • @brandons9138
    @brandons9138 2 года назад +5

    One thing that gets over looked with cat/bt holders is the pullstud. Specifically the torque used to attach them to the holder. Most of the time the specified value is too high. What happens is the small end of the holder buldges slightly. That interferes with how the holder fits in the taper of the spindle. This over time shows up a wear pattern at the small end and at the flange end of the holder. What's actually happening is that since the holder is not making contact through out the taper it ends up like the clapper in a bell. This is why they seem to have such bad runout. A properly fitted pullstud that doesn't buldge the holder will make the holder contact the full lenght of the taper and will run much truer. Take a look at the cat/bt holders in most shops and you're likely to see the tell tale wear pattern of over tightened pull studs.

    • @douglaspierce7031
      @douglaspierce7031 2 года назад +1

      you took the words right out of my mouth. Whenever I go to setup a small tool, I always check runout of the holder. If it's running out a lot, it's usualy because someone went all beast mode on the pull stud

    • @brandons9138
      @brandons9138 2 года назад +1

      @@douglaspierce7031 There's a company out there that makes extended threaded length pullstuds. They reach deeper into the holder with a larger thread relief near the small end of the holder. This design helps mitigate the bulging.

  • @melissa6470
    @melissa6470 4 месяца назад

    I like watching these videos then going to work and using an old manual mill from the 80s

  • @abellyofanarmy
    @abellyofanarmy 2 года назад +1

    Cant wait for the vídeo about the other holder that you refered... Im learning from watching your vídeos! Thank you 🙏

  • @TysonGilroy
    @TysonGilroy 2 года назад +3

    This is super informative and should be shown to all new (and old) machinists

  • @wolfmanjacksaid
    @wolfmanjacksaid Год назад

    Everything I knew about machining was wrong. I didn't know anything correctly before I watched this video. Now, I know a little bit about machining. Thanks.

  • @christophervillalpando5865
    @christophervillalpando5865 2 года назад +5

    Awesome information to share Barry! Great paced video, with lots of great information! Good Job!

  • @robinlu4029
    @robinlu4029 2 года назад +3

    In China, we use ER holders at the most of time, side lock holders is rare.

  • @Ham68229
    @Ham68229 2 года назад +1

    Machining just got a lot more complicated. LOL Love it.

  • @seancollins9745
    @seancollins9745 2 года назад +4

    I'm moving to shrink fit

  • @trevorgoforth8963
    @trevorgoforth8963 2 года назад +5

    Excellent video Barry!! Tons of great info here. I just want to say that if you make parts out of fairy dust you don’t need any of those tools! 😆 great work dude!

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      LOL but you still need these to face off your build plates ;)

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 2 года назад

      @@barrysetzer WHATEVER 😂

  • @DaniMAQPreciso
    @DaniMAQPreciso 2 года назад +2

    Saludos desde Guadalajara Jal, Mex
    me gustan sus consejos y me alientan a ser mejor en mi trabajo

  • @zajawamotocykle9256
    @zajawamotocykle9256 2 года назад +1

    Hi Barry. I love this holders

  • @lilchirp4846
    @lilchirp4846 2 года назад +2

    Ur sample cat 50 shown in vid doesn’t appear to be dual contact

  • @etrosnic
    @etrosnic 4 месяца назад

    Hydraulic holders are my favorite too! You should try the original HYDRO-GRIP from the Swedish company ETP that for 20 years used to OEM for Sandvik Coromant but have their own distribution last 10 years. They have unique technology and products being “maintenance-free”👍🇸🇪🌱

  • @thomastruscott99
    @thomastruscott99 2 года назад +2

    Love this video, can we see a video on how to improve efficiency when machining, we have a young group of toolmakers at our shop with experience of 2 years all the way up to 15-20 years but need to find better ways of running our programs over night and tips and tricks to ensure we are getting full use of the machines to keep management happy and to reduce hours on quoted jobs for making mould tools. Love this channel and the content it provides.

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +2

      And we love comments like yours! We have done sooooo many videos on being more efficient, so we will look into making a playlist specifically for that. Love it when we see people actively trying to improve the bottom line at their shops!!!

    • @thomastruscott99
      @thomastruscott99 2 года назад +1

      @@barrysetzer Thankyou for the reply Barry I will keep an eye out for this playlist

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +2

      @@thomastruscott99 Sure! and you might start looking at our MasterClass Machining playlist. Lots of good stuff in there!

    • @thomastruscott99
      @thomastruscott99 2 года назад +1

      @@barrysetzer I will start right away, thanks to you and the whole team for sharing you knowledge and experience to improve everyone in the trade and I look forward to the videos that are coming in the near future.

    • @gitar1hero1qaz
      @gitar1hero1qaz 2 года назад

      Why? They pay you buy the hour. If it's running at the quoted time, you're fine. You will never see that profit you're creating so what's the point

  • @MrAarms91205
    @MrAarms91205 2 года назад +2

    Very informative video.I am machinist for 18 years one of main problems i saw in different shop holding flatness of part within 0.0001.Can you make a video about that?

  • @colbruckner9190
    @colbruckner9190 2 года назад +6

    What are your thoughts on the "Capto" style adaptors?

    • @Annomaster1
      @Annomaster1 2 года назад +2

      expensive but the best Adapter for maschining.

    • @kleini3
      @kleini3 2 года назад

      @@Annomaster1 not anymore, cost the same as HSK. The patent has expired

    • @ipadize
      @ipadize Месяц назад

      @@kleini3 so its not more expensive to grind a capto holder?

    • @kleini3
      @kleini3 Месяц назад

      @@ipadize probably still but competition brings down the price. Psc is on paper more expensive against normal HSK for milling but market price is pretty even. for turning (HSK-T) the cost is the same.

  • @mw8580
    @mw8580 2 года назад +2

    Gone the days of the fly cutter, that is what we called them in the UK.
    I know a guy that got his hand ripped up badly with one on a manual mill,
    and they wreck your bearings.

  • @itsnotme6644
    @itsnotme6644 2 года назад +1

    Outstanding video!

  • @daveelliott7333
    @daveelliott7333 2 года назад +2

    Great info and very helpful for beginner. Keep it up. Boooomm

  • @ralfsautomotive
    @ralfsautomotive 6 месяцев назад

    Nice Video but don't forget there are some classifications for the ER Collets as well. Some are more accurate and they also have them with Vibration Dampeners and coolant Holes.

  • @freedomenergy6644
    @freedomenergy6644 2 года назад +1

    Thankyou this was very informative information

  • @johndennis3181
    @johndennis3181 Год назад +1

    You can have dual contact Cat 40 and that BT30 you had in your had is a dual contact Big Plus holder.

  • @nayrnrehtam4911
    @nayrnrehtam4911 2 года назад +2

    Capto holders are the best!

  • @User-th6yy
    @User-th6yy 2 года назад +7

    Have you guys ever worked with SECO capto holders? Or any other polygon holders for that matter.
    Great video, I'm currently working on two machines, one HSK63 and one CAT50, i do like the HSK more because they're lighter and still pretty rigid. Good thing we use both depending on the job.
    Also, Albrecht holders are also very easy to use and have very good runout and strength. Kind of like an hydraulic force holder, just that the collet is drawn into the conic hole by a thread. Very interchangeable and versatile tools

    • @goldstandardgroup3452
      @goldstandardgroup3452 2 года назад +3

      Kennametal would be pissed.😂😂

    • @flyffpsy
      @flyffpsy 2 года назад +2

      @@goldstandardgroup3452 Jep, Titans is a social media channal for Kennametal. You won't see anything from the competition here, even if they are many times better, such as Sandvik's Y-Axis parting.

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +3

      I have used Seco and Sandvik. And despite what these other 2 geniuses say, we are not a social channel for anyone. WE decide what we like best, and then show you why we like it. If people disagree, that's fine! We all have opinions. But Kennametal is THE LARGEST HOLDER MANUFACTURER on EARTH. So naturally, we have alot of Kennametal holders!

    • @flyffpsy
      @flyffpsy 2 года назад +2

      @@barrysetzer I can't find any information on who is the largest manufacturer of toolholders, but the market capitalization of Sandvik is ten times larger than that of Kennametal. By the way, Sandvik also includes Seco, Walter, TDM, Vericut, ...
      What else belongs to Kennametal, I do not know.
      In the end, every manufacturer has certain products that are good and others that are bad. The difficulty is to find the right product for your operation.

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +1

      @@flyffpsy Agreed!

  • @amrit04021998
    @amrit04021998 2 года назад +2

    love from italy, you guys are amazing. Would love to do a visit at workshop. booooooommmmmmmm like titan say

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      Haha thanks Amritpal! BOOM!

    • @TITANSofCNC
      @TITANSofCNC  2 года назад

      Thank you for your kind words! If you're ever in the Texas area, reach out to us! BOOM! 🤙

  • @tomxxdavy6422
    @tomxxdavy6422 2 года назад +1

    Nice video. Good job.

  • @joshuaboulee8190
    @joshuaboulee8190 5 месяцев назад

    Great summary, thanks Barry!

  • @SinumerikcncvmcRAJASTHAN
    @SinumerikcncvmcRAJASTHAN 2 года назад +4

    Great sir 👍

  • @subodai85
    @subodai85 Год назад

    These are the best tool holders. And we sell them in our shop.
    Equivalent to the typical “I’ve actually got one of these myself actually”.

  • @RMBRacingInc
    @RMBRacingInc 2 года назад

    Haven’t seen the safe lock TE end mills yet but I have 6 new shrink fit safe lock holders waiting on them. As a side note though I have not personally seen it I have heard of a safe lock coming out of a hydraulic holder. I can’t see how it is possibles but one of the Kennametal guys was telling me about it. Thanks for the videos!

  • @platin2148
    @platin2148 2 года назад +1

    I prefer APC for accuracy.

  • @wyattneth1619
    @wyattneth1619 2 года назад +5

    Nice video but the music got annoying while he was trying to talk about the tooling

  • @scottkinkead6324
    @scottkinkead6324 2 года назад +2

    I don't know about you but I'm stuck with what they buy and that's the truth in most shop's , not shure what world your living in but it's not the world 90% of us live in .

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      The world I live in is where you explain to them why what they are buying needs to CHANGE, and then you use this video to explain WHY

    • @scottkinkead6324
      @scottkinkead6324 2 года назад

      @@barrysetzer that's funny shit ! If you think the higher ups would listen to us out on the floor you are dead wrong my friend .

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +3

      @@scottkinkead6324 Then you work at a pretty crappy shop, sir!

  • @meocats
    @meocats 2 года назад +1

    capto beats them all and i've seen HSK up to 180 on a 250kw machine

  • @ryanpatton1795
    @ryanpatton1795 Год назад

    Shouldve mentioned something about collets having a tool life as well. something i didnt know until not that long ago

  • @stiles3711
    @stiles3711 2 года назад +2

    That's a pretty cool presentation Mr. Barry.
    I have a few questions? Have you had shrink fit holders pull out on you? Every time I have had a roughing path which had a section with too much radial engagement the endmill would pull out an 1/8" and pop it like it's not so hot. I have used them with limited radial engagement dynamic tool paths with no issues and it gave me good clearance for that job. I like the shrink fit extensions for clearance on some 5 axis transformations more than the ER extensions.
    How tight do you need to tighten hydraulic holders and mill chucks. I'm guilty of the put a cheater on it and be sure its tight, extra tight. I've seen little torque wrenches for hydraulic holders but I don't trust them. Just an aside for sharing my experience, I have never pulled a tool out of a mill chuck, but I have on a hydraulic, and once a hydraulic holder pulls out it will do it again in my experience. So off to the recycling gods she goes.
    How in the hell do you tune those devibe arbor holders? The DMU 90P that I run the most had vibration sensing but I have never seen any instructions when I opened up the holders on how to tune them. Is there a SOP for tuning them? I've asked a few people and I really didn't get much of an answer.
    With that hydro force holder with the safe lock collet do you have to use a specific endmill brand or can you grind it yourself on a T&C grinder?

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +2

      HAhaha hey stiles, soooooo yes i have pulled tools out of shrink fit holders. Hell, i have pulled several cat40 holders out of the SPINDLE on an Okuma horizontal. Thats why i lean toward roughing holders that prevent pullout. As for hydraulic holders, i like the Kennametal ones because you tighten the bolt all the way till it stops. No cheater bar required. And the tuneable holders are trial and error. Test them, and see what you get!!!

    • @stiles3711
      @stiles3711 2 года назад

      @@barrysetzer I have four 1 1/2" hydroforce hsk 100's at work. I looked up the cost of the hydraulic reducer with the safelock, and omg I don't think I can I can get anyone to cut a po for one /sadface
      If I were to get medieval after some 15-5 doing dynamic roughing with safelock which Kennametal endmill would you use. Or 625/718 for that matter.
      Almost all the toolholders are erickson so I got a lot of the same hydro holders, I like the 20mm long boys with a reducer for side clearance and long reach too.
      Thanks scene-your Barry!

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      Hello again, Stiles! So when it comes to those materials, there are 3 cutters that i absolutely stand behind. For heavy radial engagement, its the Harvi 1TE every time. That tool has blown my mind. But for light radial, you have 2 options. The Kor6, a 6 flute tool that has chip splitters if you need good chip management, or the Harvi3 Aero, which not only blows my mind, but also won the Boeing challenge for tool life. A couple months ago, we actually had a group come into our shop from a large, advanced aerospace company, and we blew their mind in some NASTY 718 inconel with the 1TE and 3 aero. That demo was actually why i knew THIS test video would work:

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/FGpsH_dd0vs/видео.html

  • @LemonInTheSky
    @LemonInTheSky Год назад

    Thank you for this video.

  • @5eZa
    @5eZa 2 года назад +3

    i don't see any R8 holders in there 😆

  • @anselml2928
    @anselml2928 Год назад

    It ist right that HSK holders can run faster than steep taper tool holder. But it is not due to their lower mass. It is because the clamping force gets higher wit the rpm and not lower like it is the case with steep taper holders.

  • @danhnguyen435
    @danhnguyen435 2 года назад +2

    Boom

  • @steinarne79
    @steinarne79 2 года назад +3

    Hahha, full slot that sub button... hahahaha :D

  • @vonpredator
    @vonpredator 2 года назад +4

    All my misconceptions about tool holders…. 💨
    gone!

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      Haha good! Thanks for watching!

  • @ktgmobile2552
    @ktgmobile2552 Год назад

    Very informative and interesting content! keep up the content, here is another quite fresh machinist from Finland.
    Something i would like to see from you guys would be reaction videos to those "rural machining" :D videos from India or who knows from where!

  • @casualpeen
    @casualpeen 6 месяцев назад

    we use the HSK100 holders with a coolant tube on the inside. they are freaking crazy

  • @leonschumann2361
    @leonschumann2361 2 года назад +2

    HSK is dope

    • @leonschumann2361
      @leonschumann2361 2 года назад

      What about lathe holders? many still use VDI interfaces. Holder for square tools or parting tools ...

    • @meocats
      @meocats 2 года назад +1

      @@leonschumann2361 there are vdi adapters for hsk or better yet capto

  • @edskie68
    @edskie68 Год назад

    Hi i have a question . Do you balance your tool holders and from what rpm you advice it . Thanks from the Netherland

  • @DarkADN2010
    @DarkADN2010 Год назад

    What about RegoFix Power Grip Tool Holders? Thank you very much from DENATEK Spain.

  • @zealousbeing0178
    @zealousbeing0178 2 года назад

    Something to note, after long enough use of shrink fit tool holders. After consistent reheats to put new tools in or tools breaking at the base of the shrinker.
    The runout gets worse and worse over time for the holder. Which can lead and cause tool breakages inside your parts

    • @zealousbeing0178
      @zealousbeing0178 2 года назад

      Extra note, hydraulic holders aren't the best when it comes to tapping a part, or in some cases drilling. It will pull your tap or drill into the hydraulic if you use one for the application

  • @corny155
    @corny155 6 месяцев назад

    Cat40 can be had dual contact too.

  • @trenthellenbrand4988
    @trenthellenbrand4988 Год назад

    Anyone have input on Haimer's Heavy duty shrink chucks vs Hydraulic?

  • @andersonmachado9739
    @andersonmachado9739 Год назад

    Good tips 👍.

  • @shadow_stalk
    @shadow_stalk 2 года назад +2

    Alot of these tools are for a mill and i dont do much on them anymore i run more lathes nowadays.. but one thing ive always had trouble with is knowing when to use a free floating tap! Also alot of programers nowadays really enjoy 35 deg cutting inserts to rough alot of material instead of an 80 deg and this is common for alot of straight turns no angles or anything special.. why is it being used alot when 80deg are proven to work better and longer.. how do i convince my programmer to start cooperating it into the work??

    • @brandons9138
      @brandons9138 2 года назад

      If the turning profile doesn't require a 35 degree tool just use an 80 with the same tool nose radius as the 35 degree tool. You might get a slight difference in surface finish, but nothing crazy. One benefit to a 35 degree tool is it's less prone to vibration/chatter than an 80 degree tool. That would only really be an issue on long length to diameter parts though.

    • @shadow_stalk
      @shadow_stalk 2 года назад

      @@brandons9138 yea im pretty good about using 80 deg and when to use it and finish wouldnt be a prob if you use an 80 as a rougher and came in with a 35 for a decent sf..but ive been seeing more and more 35deg rough and 35 deg finish is it something being taught at schools to do it that way,do they do that as a contract thing so tooling companies sell more tools?? Am i thinking to much into it bec i cant understand...but i was more focused on how i get my programmer to use them.. i cant just change out tooling without approval or it can cost me my job and we dont want that... but if ya wanna put in your input on when i should use a free floating tap im all ears..

    • @brandons9138
      @brandons9138 2 года назад

      @@shadow_stalk Honestly I've never used floating tap holders ever. If the machine is capable of rigid tapping I don't see the point in them. What kind of materials do you normally work with? We use a lot of 35° and 55° tools at my shop, but we deal primarily in plastics. Insert strength is not much of a problem for us.

  • @mohammedalbattal77
    @mohammedalbattal77 2 года назад +3

  • @sergejzemlianskij9569
    @sergejzemlianskij9569 2 года назад

    Awesome editing!

  • @soldier715
    @soldier715 2 года назад +1

    We do not rough with ER collets. You'd be wise to do the same.

    • @SR-ml4dn
      @SR-ml4dn 2 года назад

      It so temptating to push it a little more after seeing the Titan rough cuttings vids, but if you only have ER collet don't do it, the change for endmill drop out or slide out will ruin your table or wise when the endmill will kiss your table plane or wise.

  • @rosannamorena6913
    @rosannamorena6913 2 года назад

    Really great tooling tutorial 👏👏

  • @mikecremona7810
    @mikecremona7810 11 месяцев назад

    My mill has a BT30 taper, so I tend to pick BT30 toolholders

  • @simonkalman8302
    @simonkalman8302 2 года назад +1

    Most machinist will never have the chance to even see half of those stuff.

  • @jmowreader9555
    @jmowreader9555 2 года назад +1

    Barry, how much does the machine you're using play into toolholder selection?
    Oh...how good are the machines "Markforded" makes? In your "Thank you to our Partners" section, they seem to make the Metal X, X7 and Mark Two.

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      Hey bud. When it comes to machine, assuming you already have a set spindle connection type, all the rules from this video on tool end connection apply. But, you also have to consider what youre using the machine for. If its just light roughing and finishing in aluminum, you probably wont need a beefy super holder. But if you plan to get aggressive, gotta step your game up! As for the printers, i love Markforged. I spent a few years managing our additive equipment at Mooney International, which included a Stratasys 900mc. The Markforged printers have excellent accuracy, reliability, and are very user friendly!

    • @jmowreader9555
      @jmowreader9555 2 года назад

      @@barrysetzer Look a bit closer at my comment...your crew misspelled "Markforged" three times in your "thank you" section of the header to this video.
      Let me throw out a little scenario. You've got two blocks of hard metal and two machinists that have to rough them out on different mills. Machinist A has a mill with a 30hp spindle, Machinist B has one with a 75hp spindle. They're using Titan's speeds and feeds. Would the same holder work properly on both mills (assuming the connector on the spindle shaft is compatible, naturlich) or would you want to choose a lighter-weight holder for the small mill to prevent bogging it down from turning unnecessary mass and a heavier holder for the large machine to dampen vibration?

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      Well, naturally its INCREDIBLY important to understand what your machine can and cant do. I just filmed a video friday that talks about some of our “feeds and speeds” and understanding that some of these videos are just to get you thinking. Stay tuned for that one. But no, the same strategies that work on our NHM6300 will NOT work on our Tormachs for example. As for someone misspelling Markforged, apologies. We are Titans of CNC after all, not Titans of Spelling and Grammar. (I wanted to spell that “grammer” fyi to trigger you, but i resisted) 😜

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад

      Btw, thank you for catching that spelling error. The team is fixing it as we speak.

  • @aeliar
    @aeliar Год назад

    There's a chance that some of those Haimer tool holders came through my hands 😎

  • @ArthurField
    @ArthurField 2 года назад

    Fun fact, CAT40 and CAT50 both come with standard taper only as well as a plus series with dual contact.

  • @brahtrumpwonbigly7309
    @brahtrumpwonbigly7309 Год назад

    My favourite spindle connection type is the chips that fall into the taper and get crushed up into the spindle during tool changes because the operator couldn't be bothered to clean their machine.

    • @ktgmobile2552
      @ktgmobile2552 Год назад

      Yes this sucks :D i am always too lazy to clean those and been facing this issue many many times, hsk100 the problem is bigger but for the bt40 not so much

  • @HaleyHu-s5j
    @HaleyHu-s5j Месяц назад

    I'm a new sales manager, just absorbing all the CNC machine knowledge. I have to say it's quite interesting. BTW, if anyone is looking for high-end CNC machining center with high precision, come talk with me : ) Our company is affiliated to a Chinese military industry enterprise, with our own R&D team, 50000m² workshop.

  • @varmint243davev7
    @varmint243davev7 2 года назад

    Good information !

  • @l.choitz6472
    @l.choitz6472 Год назад

    You gonna show me how to ballance a shell mill?... please?... I just started and it's taking so much down time....

  • @Russslic
    @Russslic 2 года назад

    Hello. Why do you work in Mastercam and not in SolidCAM?

  • @thomashenderson3901
    @thomashenderson3901 2 года назад

    Top work Barry!

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +1

      Thanks bro! Just trying to help!

  • @thedroolfool
    @thedroolfool Год назад

    How does regofix stack up in this list?

  • @HuFlungDung2
    @HuFlungDung2 Год назад +1

    Dampening capability? That depends on whether it has through coolant capability.
    It's called DAMPING.

  • @guclubayraktar5210
    @guclubayraktar5210 7 месяцев назад

    Merhaba neden big plus bbt tutuculari incelemeye ve karsilastirmaya almadiniz ???

  • @navaneethansnrns14
    @navaneethansnrns14 2 года назад +1

    Hey have u ever used bilz holder

    • @machinist7230
      @machinist7230 2 года назад

      We have them in our shop for our rigid tap holders. They work great, makes it really easy to change a broken tap, and switching between bilz quick change tap adaters is a matter of seconds.

  • @Pascal_Robert--Rc_Creations
    @Pascal_Robert--Rc_Creations Год назад

    I would have wanted more information and a video twice as long😅

  • @RedHaloManiac95
    @RedHaloManiac95 2 года назад

    I’m just wondering if ceramics ever recognized heat

  • @69deleteSystem32
    @69deleteSystem32 Месяц назад

    what about DMC holders?

  • @Fullion-CA
    @Fullion-CA 2 года назад +2

    Interesting video on the surface. I have been in the industry for 20 some years and yet to see anything but CAT 40/50 spindles on machines. Shrink fit tool holders are for youtube channels because no shop wants to pay extra for a machine just to put tools in holders. If you have tight tolerances then its called playing with cutter allowances in the controller and a couple test cuts to see what size the cutter is cutting. I have used dampener style tools in the past with varying success. Hydrolock holders sound great but your locking yourself into a proprietary tooling ecosphere then. Bottom line is the vast majority of machine shops will never see return on cost for anything but regular old sidelock and ER collet holders. As for the video itself. Coincidence that most of the tooling talked about is also sold by Titans webshop? Video screams total add.

    • @kleini3
      @kleini3 2 года назад +2

      Maybe u should visit a modern shop. Worked on plastic moulding forms with 2 typo: hydro for roughing and shrink fit for finishing, both HSK.
      Runing 35K RPm and more or going hard in toolsteal that mill better spins centric and a collet doesn’t do the job. if u need to take multiple test cut u just messing around.

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +3

      Almost everything i talked about in this video holds true for every manufacturer. Is it a coincidence that Kennametal is the largest manufacturer of toolholders in the world and thats the holders in this video? No coincidence at all. And not an ad. Education

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 2 года назад +2

      And fyi i have worked for several world class shops that look at a shrink fit machine like it cost a penny.

  • @DriveSMR
    @DriveSMR 2 года назад +2

    Hold my tool

  • @llljj9
    @llljj9 Год назад

    Capto? Rego-fix? Emugee FCP holders?
    It would be nice if you guys were not so biased.
    Kenametal is good stuff, but they aren't the best at everything.
    I still enjoy your videos.