THE CREATOR | DIR. Gareth Edwards, DPs Greig Fraser ACS, ASC & Oren Soffer | ShotDeck: Shot Talk
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Lawrence Sher, ASC sits down with Gareth Edwards, DPs Greig Fraser ACS, ASC, and Oren Soffer for an in-depth discussion on the sci-fi action film The Creator. From the logistics of using volume stages for portions of the shoot, to how Gareth switched his shooting schedule due to COVID restrictions, to how Greig and Oren split photography work, the trio break down important moments behind the scenes of production that helped bring the film to life!
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This is by far the best Shot Talk ever recorded, and the best podcast/interview I've watched about the Creator. I learned so much and the passion is electrifying. By the end of hour 2 I wanted nothing more than to grab my FX3 and go out shooting. I definitely like Gareth's approach of goldilocks zone between planning and spontaneity. That's how I made my short film and I couldn't imagine doing a feature any other way, kinda scary to hear that that freedom is not the norm. I also absolutely love that director operates himself, I'm the same way, and it speaks volumes about how great Greig & Oren are that they're cool with it. No ego whatsoever, really amazing stuff. Just that vibe of trust and competence and dedication to the craft and the vision between these three is awesome. I loved the fact that Gareth referenced Peter Jackson, he is really the biggest guerrilla filmmaker in the world. He said that LOTR was the biggest home movie ever created. Thos BTS features on the DVDs are the reason I wanted to make movies in the first place. Amazing stuff. So inspiring. Thank you for putting this together! Makes me even more proud to be a ShotDeck day 1 subscriber.
The movie is amazing, I absolutely loved it. It feels real and looks tangible, true and amazing, and the story speaks to me, much like the classic Sc-Fi films that inspired it. I'm so bummed it had zero marketing push behind it, it's like the studio didn't even try. Most people I know never even heard of it, and I only learned of it thanks to the FX3 discussion surrounding it. Seems so unfair. But great movies always find their audience, eventually.
P.S. not to bee too positive here, haha: Greig, get a decent microphone, please! It's so hard to hear you. Dammit, you're an Oscar-winning DP, you do these calls all the time, it won't kill you invest $500 in a decent zoom setup. No hate, just sayin'
That is the ART of filmmaking - 48 ish mins
I have worked in the movie industry for over 30 years and I agree totally with what Gareth said regarding they go about making movies completely wrong nowadays. They still use methods they were using 50 years ago!!! They waste SOOOOOOOOO much money doing countless shots because there are too many chiefs with too many ideas and also a lot of the time, don't really know what they are doing. Lets put 5 cameras on a scene and shoot it from all angles, loads of takes and then hopefully make it work in the edit! I still bang my head against a (virtual) brick wall!!
Thank you all for taking the time to talk like this, the filmmaking at play here is incredibly inspirational!
I was so sad this movie flopped, went twice to the theatre to see it in support of an original sci-fi movie. Also the Radiohead bit in the movie always gives me the chills.
that scene was godly, it was as if that song was made just for that scene
There is a difference between a movie that impresses technically, and a movie that impresses the masses.
It was an absolute technical marvel, but a complete narrative miss on every level for me. The story seems to work on paper, and feels like it should have been emotional, but the way the scenes were built and the dialogue… and the casting… was all deeply uninspiring. I love Gareth Edwards (edit: and sci-fi**) so I really wanted to see him win on this one but I admit I almost walked out halfway through just because I could see how it was going to end and I knew I wouldn’t care when we got there.
Just a Gareth Edwards fan expressing my personal sentiment, not trying to be a contrarian or a negative Nancy. I think it’s important for us to express why something didn’t work for us because it helps the community get a better understanding of what may have contributed to its lack of success.
@@ChristopherCopeland I think I know what you mean, and I agree to a small extent. The story was kinda predictable and by-the-numbers, typical Hollywood screenplay, but nevertheless, it got me emotionally, and my wife too, and she's not a sci-fi nerd like me. But maybe I'm just a big softie. The casting, the acting, the music - it all landed for me. And I actually liked JD's performance, which I thought would never ever happen after Tenet🤮 So for me it was the reverse of your experience - uninspired and predictable on paper, touching and compelling in execution. And as far as the movie failing, I don't think it's the story, it just didn't have any marketing push behind it. The masses don't even know it exists. You can't count only on word of mouth these days, there are too many movies coming out.
flopped? Nah man. The movie not only made back its cost but also raked in an extra $14 million. It's flippin' the script on how movies get made, and it's a visual feast for the eyes. It's schooling millions of up-and-coming filmmakers. That's what you call winning, bro.
Seeing these talented people share the magic of cinema is like a dream.
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Watching this, the entire time, what kept coming to mind was an old quote from George Bernard Shaw: "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it."
Three DPs and a Director walk into a zoom...this is an exceptionally illuminating look at the techniques and process of making this ground-breaking film. So thankful to Lawrence and the ShotDeck team for the very complete illustration of what was talked about by using all the features of ShotDeck. Just so good, thank you:)
As a director, this has got to be my favorite interview with filmmakers I've ever listened to. I learned so much from all three of these guys. Was literally taking notes! Thank you for this valuable resource!
Also I have honestly never understood the need for 2nd unit! The amount of time the main unit director has had to come over to take control or we have to wait until they get the 'executive' decision from the 'top' before we can move on. Or reshoots because the style that the 2nd unit shot is way different from what the director envisioned.
18:40 - Proof of Concept - The Creator
24:56 - Oren Soffer Showreel
Gereth talking about AI in the end and we just got SORA.oh well. guy has a good sense
we need that proof of concept! It looks so good
2.20:1 is the best, sad Joker didn't get released in that aspect ratio. It might be my favourite.
trying to square the director Gareth was one (1) month ago during this terrific interview talking passionately about keeping things simple and within reasonable budgets & how exciting that is as a writer/director against the alternative big budget films... to today - one month (1) later - where he's apparently taking over the Jurassic franchise - a franchise that ran up a budget of 380 million on their last effort just two years ago. like, what? lying > creative control
Garreth has fun making his films like Creator and using his methods but has been taking checks - Star Wars? Godzilla? He can work with a bigger budget if they want but he can do it with less. He ain’t lying. Look up his interview on Godzilla and how it felt weird to him having such a big budget. No lie. He is like Tony Stark. He can build it in a cave if need be or build it in a high tech lab. Ain’t no lie. And because he delivers he gets more freedom.
This should have hundreds of thousands of views. Such a great conversation and so much value here. Thank you!
Pls improve the audio quality
Is there a place where Gareth's Proof of Concept film will be distributed that we could see ans watch some day, or buy tickets to a screening or something similar?
What time stamp did they talk about that.
Great editing on those Shot Talks because I'm trying to just listen to this in the background while I work but I can't stop going back to RUclips to watch it. 😅
Yeah man, the fact that they put in the work to actually show what is being talked about is commendable. Really appreciated the effort. Made it worth watching on big screen TV
loved the entire convo, esp the ending and takeaways
Oren! Super proud of you man!
I forgot the fact that this movie was shot on fx3. The story was moving , music was epic, acting was on point especially the kid, vfx is just cherry on top. I dunno why this movie didn’t do well, but thank you for inspiring other creators what you can do with what you guys did. Respect 🫡
curious how they monitored for exposure, was it through the ninja? were they using old school light meters? false color? on a big production like this, but done so run and gun style, i’m curious how they did it
“Lawrence Of Arabia” was shot spherically (Super Panavision 70) and has an aspect ratio of 2.20:1. “Ben-Hur” was shot with anamorphic lenses (Ultra Panavision 70), giving it an aspect ratio of 2.76.1.
yep, this is one of my fave shotdeck interview, not just that but its up there in my most valuable filmmaker advice interviews. its packed with alot good advice for indie and newbie filmmakers!
wait where did you get the creator vfx proof of concept ? I need that 8 mins video man
What an inspiring conversation. A group of dudes who are really excellent at and passionate about their craft.
Incredible. Such an inspiring thing to watch and hear!
What an awesome interview, also so good to see all the passion
Quite a learning :)
This was an amazing interview, definitely one of my favourites so far
1:04:24 This right here is my comment❤
An excellent conversation! Thank you. Re: Larry's reference to "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" - Fincher acquired the assistance of his good pal Tarsem Singh ("The Fall"/"The Cell") to handle his second unit for the stunning shots of Benjamin roaming India.
Exquisite deep dive into the making of, behind the scenes and general philosophies involved as well as many funny stories. Thanks guys.
probably one of the best behind the scenes discussions i've seen. Amazing. Thank you so much for this.
This was really good and insightful. Thanks to everyone involved! And more of this pls!
This was fantastic! Thank you for this. I would have liked some details on that lens and adapter. Was the e mount custom built or did they have a pl to e adapter. Were there any full frame issues? Anyway this was great great great - Garreth is killing it
That wide of the car they talk about around 48mins, my mind was blown. OMG. The genius that went into this movie. Just...wow.
This was such a great interview. Thank you for posting this!! So many ideas and inspiring messages!
These videos are so inspiring. Genuinely excellent insights.
I need even to buy it for promotion.i loved this movie
awesome !!
Mr Edwards speech at the end about making films the way you think they should be made .. so well said .. That idea of redifining freedom of in the moment capture and crew with technology and fueled with scale and do it yourself...with out being questioned.. or waisting time... I feel as if we are in a new 1969 where alot of people are making their easy riders .. from shoulder cameras becoming phone camera designs .. the industry just spending what it costs to feed a small nation .. hopefully we are just enterning a malick like sensibility of creaeting new stories where ever one is ..and distribtution findinng them ffaster cause they. know where to send it.. also so amazing how alot of the modern has so many drone shots and loved how you all keep everything as practically grounded as possible ...this is one of the best classrooms and you do a great job interviewing everyone .. so please keep making these .. FOR EV verr :) have a great day and awesome shoot
This was fantastic.
Fantastic.
BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Greig mentioned that The FX3 wouldn't sync with the volume screens, and said they had to use a different camera, what camera did they use instead.
FX9
@@Jacobyfilms source to evidence that..? The issue is the electronic shutter in these new Sony cameras with LED or LCD screens, using the ECS won't eliminate the scan bar/lines if there is any camera movement. The only option i've found to eliminate this, is a camera with a Global shutter. FX9 don't have a Global Shutter. ( it has a higher sensor readout than FX3, but no global shutter)
@@aspectfilms3870 on the Art of The Frame podcast Oren Soffer says they used the FX9, Greig said it on the Cinematography podcast as well.
The FX9 also doesn’t have a higher sensor readout speed than the FX3, it’s over 20ms.
They’ve used the original Alexa with the volume with no issues and they aren’t global shutter and a readout speed close to the FX3.
Doesn’t look like they had any issues using the FX9 with the volume.
*should have said faster sensor readout speed
I wonder how the VFX artists felt about this process...
The departments I coordinated felt great about it; real creative freedom from a director with a clear vision. We’re all super proud 🙏
rule breakers .exellant