I wonder when there will be electric trains runing from Auckland to the middle of the island making use of the awesome infrastructure that has been in place for decades
Eight of the electric locos (the EF's) that haul freight over the middle of the North Island have been rebuilt. Most of them are hauling trains again, the others are being re-commissioned.
@@danieleyre8913 Despite the Auckland electric network and the NIMT sharing the same voltage wires, "The EF class could not be used on Auckland's network due to that network requiring higher fault current tolerances than the NIMT"
@@ethant4531 That’s right, the EM’s can’t run in Auckland. And unless another locomotive moves them there; they can’t get to Auckland. Because the NIMT electrification ends northward at Te Rapa.
@@danieleyre8913 I was told by someone at the meetings that management had told them that the transportation of goods was down, and forecast to fall even more. And that top management aren't to be trusted Ha! The govts broke, financial analysts have forecast a gloomy 2025. We won't say the R word.
UK has been buying diesel electrics from Stadler too, seem to be powerful things. Even better are the Electro diesels which offer 6MW of electric traction and just shy of 3MW diesel.
@@DWtrainsNZ Actually prior to the 2008 election; the plan was for the DK class, which were a very similar design to the DL class we ended up getting (especially in terms of power plant and systems), but were to be built at Hillside instead of being imported. But the Nat’s weren’t interested in investing in railways in 2008. They didn’t change their minds until about 2014, and then those Nat’s resigned after they lost the election in 2017.
the DLs are a complete waste of money, in my book - a token gesture to a piece of infrastructure that the govt of the day openly _bragged_ about for the nine years of incompetence they were at the helm. The same coin should have been spent on increasing the operational range of the EF beyond the NIMT (as well as investing in more 25kV AC rolling stock, not necessarily the EF class)
Yay Stadler Locos Shame there wasn't much consideration given to making bi-mode locos for the partially electrified NIMT given that building dual mode and even tri mode locos is a Stadler specialty Also shame about the voluntary redundancies
These locomotives are for the South Island, there’s no electrification there. Kiwirail have no present nor foreseeable need for dual-mode electro-diesels. They’re expensive kit.
@@danieleyre8913 As stated in the video, 19 of the DMs will be sent up to the North Island Although the EFs recently got a refurb with new control equipment, they're nearing 40 years old and will need a replacement sometime soon Currently if electric services are to run, a loco change has to occur at Te Rapa and Palmerston North which is time consuming and makes rail less competitive Other services just run diesel under the wires which is incredibly wasteful Dual mode locomotives do tend to be more expensive but Stadler is definitely able to build them since they already have a dual mode and even tri mode locomotive platform to build off. Either way given Kiwirail's current state it's unlikely any of this will happen and the wires are just going to rot after the EFs are gone
@@williamhuang8309 Actually switching locomotives is a long known and mastered art form, it only takes a couple of minutes. As much as I hate it; I expect that Kiwirail will be keen to do away with electric locomotives once the EF class are at the ends of their lives, and just mothball the infrastructure. The NIMT sadly sees a fraction of the traffic it used to, and maintaining the overhead catenary is expensive. The DL’s can handle the gradient and do the runs. If it’s a coalition including the greens in government; they will probably be replaced. And there might be moves to electrify the ECMT. Otherwise I think any government will just let the electrification be lost.
Have a look at the amount of electrified network in the SI at present. its nil. These locos are part electric, the diesel produces the power and converts it to electricity to drive the wheels. Its quite an efficient compromise. Its five times more fuel efficient ton for ton than a truck.
Hope your more successful with these compared to Malaysia, Kenya, Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Pakistan etc etc. Speaking as a UK Engineer you can’t go wrong with GM Power I’m afraid? Don’t compare brand new with 50 year old locomotives that will always have problems at that age!
Locomotives to meet EU emissions standards... funded by us the tax payer as governance has no money to speak of & this all coming from KiwiRail who couldn't run a piss-up in a brewery.. It's a joke & the jokes on us the tax payer who ends up paying for KiwiRail mistakes due to they can't make a profit.. in the real world they'd be out of a job & so give it to companies who can make it work ie..BlueBridge etc..
On what basis do you judge how well Kiwirail runs their company? Do you have the first clue about railways and logistics? Oh I know, you support political parties currently in power…
@@danieleyre8913Ha! Overpaid top heavy golden executives who are some of the top paid public servants. They have a history of mismanagement, selling for a dollar Ha! They've stated at 'last weeks meetings' that the transportation of goods are down, and are forecast to fall even more.
@@lyricallyunwaxable1234 What do you actually know for a fact? Because that just sounds like vapid nonsense that you’d get from listening to NZ’s garbage media.
@danieleyre8913 The ferry debacle showed Kiwirail in a poor light. Too big, too expensive, too complicated. The tax payer is not a bottomless pit of money for extravagant vanity projects.
@@terrybrown8539 Okay you’re obviously someone who forms his perceptions along the lines of being an unquestioning national party supporter. The ferry debacle was caused by the new government demanding changes to the maintenance program on the ferries. The railways never wanted that ferry to begin with, they were forced to go with a cheap second hand lemon by Tranzrail’s owners Rail Wisconsin back in the 1990s. And the new government decided to cancel its replacement, so we can get a tax cut that hasn’t stimulated economic growth as promised. Kiwirail make the best of terrible situations foisted on them by incompetent governments.
The DL's look much better than these. Compared to all the other diesel loco's that have ever been operated by NZ Rail, why do the DM loco's have such tiny side windows? Come to think of it, the forward view on these machines doesn't look any better either.
Can't wait to see these in action out on the Midland Line
Love to see it!
They look great. Very nice.
Stadler do it again , great looking locos
I wonder when there will be electric trains runing from Auckland to the middle of the island making use of the awesome infrastructure that has been in place for decades
Probably not in your lifetime.
Eight of the electric locos (the EF's) that haul freight over the middle of the North Island have been rebuilt. Most of them are hauling trains again, the others are being re-commissioned.
@@DWtrainsNZ Yeah but they only run between Te Rapa and Milson. They don’t run in Auckland.
@@danieleyre8913 Despite the Auckland electric network and the NIMT sharing the same voltage wires, "The EF class could not be used on Auckland's network due to that network requiring higher fault current tolerances than the NIMT"
@@ethant4531 That’s right, the EM’s can’t run in Auckland.
And unless another locomotive moves them there; they can’t get to Auckland. Because the NIMT electrification ends northward at Te Rapa.
Those side handrails look strong, specially the ones at the acces points 💪
Really surprized that the health and safety in NZ haven't made them compulsory on NZ locos.
Great news.
But against a concerning backdrop of voluntary redundancies at Kiwirail.
Yep. I couldn't believe the salary the chief executives on, it's criminal what these public servants get.
@@lyricallyunwaxable1234 I don’t think that they’re who to blame. They stood down recently anyway.
@@danieleyre8913 I was told by someone at the meetings that management had told them that the transportation of goods was down, and forecast to fall even more. And that top management aren't to be trusted Ha! The govts broke, financial analysts have forecast a gloomy 2025. We won't say the R word.
@@lyricallyunwaxable1234Top job always came with top pay packages or no one wants to do it, too stressful job.😅😅
Are these more reliable than the last lot from that large Asian country to the north?
We can’t say as they’re brand new.
But I feel safe expecting that they will be.
I wonder if these locomotives will come to whangarei?
Yes
UK has been buying diesel electrics from Stadler too, seem to be powerful things. Even better are the Electro diesels which offer 6MW of electric traction and just shy of 3MW diesel.
These locomotives have been popular all over the EU and are getting popular in Africa and Israel.
When will Kiwirail do the promo piece about redundancies ?
Will there be anyone left to drive them?
Does anyone know the background song used in this video?
I thought they were originally all going to the South island.
What is the height of these new locos vs the Dx/Df/Dcs?
Maybe some tunnels will need lowering, or day lighting similar to when the dls came, or cheapest fix kiwirail fix, slap a tsr on!
where are the old locomotives going ?
To the scrapyard. Most are 45-50 years old now.
@@danieleyre8913 nooooooo
Its soon to be the end of the line for the older rolling stock of KiwiRail. Oh no. DM class doesnt look too bad though
Well said, good things must come to an end sometime, though. Some of the older rolling stock is being delivered to heritage railway organizations.
Have they got real horns like the DX or have you penny pinched again??
Cool European horns that are loud
But who will pilot these bearing in mind what happened in Samoa recently
When will the DX's start retireing?
Quite Telling...using a new supplier, rather than the privious Junk of dubious build/reliability...European Quality over Appeasement...
@sidnzrael2433 - Agreed! No "tofu dreg" locos in this class!
This fleet is intended for the South Island where the DL’s are too heavy to run.
These are probably what KR would have brought in place of the DL's had the National Government at the time allowed them to.
@@DWtrainsNZ Actually prior to the 2008 election; the plan was for the DK class, which were a very similar design to the DL class we ended up getting (especially in terms of power plant and systems), but were to be built at Hillside instead of being imported.
But the Nat’s weren’t interested in investing in railways in 2008. They didn’t change their minds until about 2014, and then those Nat’s resigned after they lost the election in 2017.
the DLs are a complete waste of money, in my book - a token gesture to a piece of infrastructure that the govt of the day openly _bragged_ about for the nine years of incompetence they were at the helm. The same coin should have been spent on increasing the operational range of the EF beyond the NIMT (as well as investing in more 25kV AC rolling stock, not necessarily the EF class)
Yay Stadler Locos
Shame there wasn't much consideration given to making bi-mode locos for the partially electrified NIMT given that building dual mode and even tri mode locos is a Stadler specialty
Also shame about the voluntary redundancies
These locomotives are for the South Island, there’s no electrification there.
Kiwirail have no present nor foreseeable need for dual-mode electro-diesels. They’re expensive kit.
@@danieleyre8913 As stated in the video, 19 of the DMs will be sent up to the North Island
Although the EFs recently got a refurb with new control equipment, they're nearing 40 years old and will need a replacement sometime soon
Currently if electric services are to run, a loco change has to occur at Te Rapa and Palmerston North which is time consuming and makes rail less competitive
Other services just run diesel under the wires which is incredibly wasteful
Dual mode locomotives do tend to be more expensive but Stadler is definitely able to build them since they already have a dual mode and even tri mode locomotive platform to build off.
Either way given Kiwirail's current state it's unlikely any of this will happen and the wires are just going to rot after the EFs are gone
@@williamhuang8309 Actually switching locomotives is a long known and mastered art form, it only takes a couple of minutes.
As much as I hate it; I expect that Kiwirail will be keen to do away with electric locomotives once the EF class are at the ends of their lives, and just mothball the infrastructure.
The NIMT sadly sees a fraction of the traffic it used to, and maintaining the overhead catenary is expensive. The DL’s can handle the gradient and do the runs.
If it’s a coalition including the greens in government; they will probably be replaced. And there might be moves to electrify the ECMT. Otherwise I think any government will just let the electrification be lost.
😂😂 with 50 year technology where are all the electric trains. New Zealand kiwi just cut 4000 jobs think they need to rethink from the top !!
Have a look at the amount of electrified network in the SI at present. its nil. These locos are part electric, the diesel produces the power and converts it to electricity to drive the wheels. Its quite an efficient compromise. Its five times more fuel efficient ton for ton than a truck.
No More Chinese Crap
Hope your more successful with these compared to Malaysia, Kenya, Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Pakistan etc etc. Speaking as a UK Engineer you can’t go wrong with GM Power I’m afraid? Don’t compare brand new with 50 year old locomotives that will always have problems at that age!
Locomotives to meet EU emissions standards... funded by us the tax payer as governance has no money to speak of & this all coming from KiwiRail who couldn't run a piss-up in a brewery..
It's a joke & the jokes on us the tax payer who ends up paying for KiwiRail mistakes due to they can't make a profit.. in the real world they'd be out of a job & so give it to companies who can make it work ie..BlueBridge etc..
On what basis do you judge how well Kiwirail runs their company? Do you have the first clue about railways and logistics?
Oh I know, you support political parties currently in power…
@@danieleyre8913Ha! Overpaid top heavy golden executives who are some of the top paid public servants. They have a history of mismanagement, selling for a dollar Ha! They've stated at 'last weeks meetings' that the transportation of goods are down, and are forecast to fall even more.
@@lyricallyunwaxable1234 What do you actually know for a fact?
Because that just sounds like vapid nonsense that you’d get from listening to NZ’s garbage media.
@danieleyre8913
The ferry debacle showed Kiwirail in a poor light. Too big, too expensive, too complicated. The tax payer is not a bottomless pit of money for extravagant vanity projects.
@@terrybrown8539 Okay you’re obviously someone who forms his perceptions along the lines of being an unquestioning national party supporter.
The ferry debacle was caused by the new government demanding changes to the maintenance program on the ferries. The railways never wanted that ferry to begin with, they were forced to go with a cheap second hand lemon by Tranzrail’s owners Rail Wisconsin back in the 1990s.
And the new government decided to cancel its replacement, so we can get a tax cut that hasn’t stimulated economic growth as promised.
Kiwirail make the best of terrible situations foisted on them by incompetent governments.
The DL's look much better than these. Compared to all the other diesel loco's that have ever been operated by NZ Rail, why do the DM loco's have such tiny side windows? Come to think of it, the forward view on these machines doesn't look any better either.