Yup , I would not even consider such solution few years back , but since June my rent went from 580€ to 820€ and 100% is power bill fault , I use PC with 500w PSU 2 screens , and that can draw some power , but I play older/mmo games like wows so that kind of PC could be what I need .
Yep, gonna pick up one some day for my streaming needs. Using my old desktop to my TV now ^^ So smaller size but still about same performance of a gtx 970 is great.
@@RandomGaminginHDI can't think of what it's called, but I saw a palm sized RTX GPU. I think it was called something like the a-500. I would love to see something like that with this mini PC if you're able to find it.
I have a PC with Ryzen 4600G. It's used as multimedia PC and also as NAS. It runs 24/7 so I wanted something with little power consumption. APU is just fine and it also can play some games. Good deal.
Yeah, having grown up with iGPUs being little more than glorified display adapters it's pretty wild. It's like seeing a Prius do 0 to 60 in 5 seconds. Shockingly fast for slumming hardware.
It's crazy to think that what was once my dream entry level GPU is getting beaten by integrated graphics. Can't wait to see how they develop over the next few years.
I remember back when I didn't know anything about computers, I threw one of these in my office PC since it was all the rave for budget gaming. I thought I was an IT god for figuring it out.
what amd makes for sony and microsoft consels is around rx 6700xt performance, the consols have much more memory bandwidth then your typical desktop ram, so until we start seeing gddr6 in desktops the system memory will be a limiting factor
It's nice to see a RUclipsr who deserves it getting free stuff. Don't let it go to your head, though! We like you because you are honest and unbiased. Trustworthy, in a nutshell. It's nice to watch your channel grow.
The 6600 is a great card, just note that it only uses x8 PCI lanes. so if you didn't also upgrade your platform you might still be leaving some performance on the table if you only have PCI 3.0 and not PCI 4.0
It's very touching and proud to see you go from a small random PC tech review/tester to now having partners reachout to test their tech along side other RUclips channels like the big leagues. Many Kudos RGinHD!!
Thanks @ randomgaminghd for the review of quadro p620. It became my first ever gpu got it for 35 dollars used in Kenya and it complements my 900p monitor in most games.
I honestly thought the 1050Ti would just about beat the 780M integrated solution across the board with maybe the odd anomoly. To see the integrated GPU beat it out so often is jaw dropping. Roll on RDNA 4 on on whatever follows
@@xismxist hmmm not sure about that 65W includes the CPU. I'm sure you'll get better clock speeds but it's going to be using system RAM isn't it so I wouldn't be certain it's going to be all that much faster than the mobile part.
Outstanding performance from the 780m. Didn't expect to beat the 1050ti but oh wow I have been mistaken. I'm definitely not crying over my gtx 1050ti right now. Keep up the good work
Something to consider for a future comparison video. The upcoming Ryzen 8700G has the same 780M graphics onboard, but arguably with desktop cooling and power delivery you might be able to get a little more, or at least very consistent performance out of it. Something like an entry level 8700G build vs a second hand AM4 system with a ~1650 in it for example could be quite a matchup :)
I think it has to be stated. Consistency is very important when measuring framerate. It seems in the games tested, the 1050ti is consistent more of the time, especially in older games. Hmm... Onboard graphics solutions are getting better and better though. I wonder if motherboards will ever get slots for GDDR variants of RAM rather than DDR (Probably not).
780M graphics is roughly equivalent to a GTX 1060, which used to be the baseline standard for 1080p gaming really not that long ago. Imagine iGPUs in about 10 years
Would have really liked to see how this played SOTTR. Old game I know, but it's still a spectacular way to benchmark it against something more suitable for what it was designed to do.
I am impressed by the performance of iGPUs nowadays, especially this one. Perhaps in the coming years, the technology will improve making them a more viable option, not only for productivity, but also gaming. Thanks for the video RGHID, always brings something interesting to my day!
How much longer will AMD make us suffer until they release new desktop APUs? :D I've had a 1050Ti for a while when it came out and now APU's are better in most games ..
They will never release decent desktop APUs, mark my word. They could've a loooong time ago, look at what they made for PS5 and xbox x. But they need to sell budget PC cards.
@@PotatMasterRace they ARE releasing decent desktp apus, likely roughly equivalent to ps5, but rdna 4 is out by then and will probably have price cuts from msrp, it will basically negate most reason to buy the apu
Honestly I doubt they will release powerful APU cheap , simply because they would lost on that deal ! , they produce CPU $$$ , and GPU $$$ so APU = -$ , so I guess APU will be "scaled" and will never offer power/price value like GPU + CPU combo ... blame capitalism ;P
According to my calculations the 780m is pretty bandwidth starved in this configuration. I'm planning on getting the AM5 version once it releases and combining it with as high speed DDR5 memory as I can. That will probably even out the percentile lows. But even then the memory bandwidth will likely remain the limiting factor.
Yeah, the 780m isn't much faster compared to 680m due to bandwidth. At 7600mt, it's only 10% faster, even though rdna 4 should be a huge leap. So the 780m is likely to be held back by ram.
It's the power budget causing those low 1% and 0.1%s. The processor has to share its power budget with the IGPU so they compete for it in demanding games. Using a discrete GPU allows the CPU to stretch its legs a little more, and since the GPU is powered separately it can also reach its maximum potential.
I would like to see what the performance is like with FSR running, since that makes budget small PC's like this really enticing for living room computers
That was scary. I run a 3050 4gb vram laptop, from the look of things, it doesn't seem that far off from my system either. Would love a comparison though. Keep up the good work mate.
My gf also have 3050 4gb laptop (one of Acer nitro 5 model) and her in game performance is much, much better. Like witcher 3 next gen on high settings (except water and terrain are on medium) gets 85 fps, full medium preset gets around 130
I just recently upgraded from my 1050ti last week to an rx6800 I brought back with me from my trip to the United States. The performance difference is just crazy, completely night & day. I've had my 1050ti for more than 6 years and now it's getting a new home in a pc I'm building for my father.
If anything I really want to see how it performs with the memory for the intergrated graphics to be set to what it normally would be (which I cant find) and THEN compare that to these results. If there is a chance to make it faster with more ram then it would be a cool path to venture.
The issue is that this minis forum only runs 5600mhz ram. And yes, you are right, it does severely bottleneck it, apparent 760m is about the same speed when using 5600mhz ram 16gb.
It would be incredibly interesting to know how well the RDNA 3 APUs would perform with more memory bandwidth. Like - how would a 4-channel DDR5 APU do when it has 76 GB/s (@4800 MHz) to work with rather than 38 (@4800). For reference the 1050 Ti has around 112 GB/s.
Max supported memory for phoenix is 7500 MHz lpddr5x (soldered) at dual channel, which has around 117 GB/s. Since the memory used here is a sodimm without overclocking capability the limit is around 75 GB/s instead.
I recently upgraded my EVGA 1060 6G to an RTX 3070, the 1060 always did the job well enough but now I can crank the settings and get AV1 decode which my cpu was struggling with.
GTX 1060 6GB was the legendary golden card nVidia have ever released in its history, for most gamers on a budget, it was priced reasonablely and outperformed the GTX 980, even by today's standards I think it's still a very capable 1080p video card for a very cheap price, as long as you don't dial up the graphics settings too high it will run most of the games just fine, except some new titles that GTX 1060 aren't optimized for due to it no longer supported by nVidia
I can't wait to see how the desktop APU's do, considering that this is still a mobile chip. They might be able to reach 1060 performance with the added thermal headroom and faster DDR5 timings.
Damn! Years back on board graphic was considered rather as display adapter than graphic card... Today, iGPU can actually run games, even AAA titles, with certain sacrifices. Also, contrary to GTA IV, GTA V is amazingly optimised on PC!
That's really impressive considering its form factor. I wonder where we're going to end in a few years. Performance of a 6700xt in your hand? Mindblowing lol.
By the time we reach that level of performance at just 40-60w (because you dont want 120-150w in a tiny space do you), 6700xt will barely handle 1080p. That's how technology works.
I wish Minnie's forms would do barebone kits. $500 is a tough pill to swallow. If it was like 299 but you had to add your own RAM and storage that might be a little better
I was going to suggest a comparison video for the channel... run a shoot-out between various CPU's that have integrated graphics and then slap a variety of "old gold" LP graphics cards in them as per the classic method of shoving a Quadro K620 in some old i3 Optiplex as a way of getting it just about playable... but for any given landmark processor how high up the GPU tree do you need to go or is even worth it for the performance, K620's are pretty much e-waste these days, but my aging AMD X4 860K is rocking one in a tiny SFF case in my office and can cheerfully handle running Dredge at 1440p....
The 1050 Ti was my first proper gaming GPU. It was never amazing, but it was enough to begin my transition from a 8-and-16-bit-era console gamer to a PC gamer. Cool that integrated graphics are finally starting to match it.
I have had a 1080ti for 6-years now, almost consider swapping it out for a mini pc, I only play CS2 and League, and I would love the reduced power usage, electricity is expensive where I live.
This is such a cool little machine, so much power in a small form factor. Reminds me of the Intel NUCs like something something canyon, seriously considered those for some time.
What about a 470/570 comparison vs the 780M? I think that would be more fair since they are both AMD and a little more powerful than the 1050ti after these fine wine years.
AMD APUs have always been good as far back as I can remember. AMD rules the mini PC market and even the new PC handheld market. Intel just have never really had a good APU that could go up against AMD. If AMD ever make something like the intel N100 they would be pushed out of the mini PC market all together.
weird my 1050 ti does alot better, i can hit 60 on cyberpunk on a mix of low and medium at 1080 the ddr5 might be the difference though i guess, it be interesting to see if the 1050 hooked up as an external gpu is better than the 780m
Literally the only practical use I can think of for RGB lighting is as a temperature sensor - and I have yet to see a single piece of RGB hardware with that feature built in.
Just upgraded from an i gpu to a 1650 after nearly a decade!, its really good! Might not play the new games but can play the games i want! /*modern games from the 2010s*/ Having a gpu is a game changer! Cpu:i5 4590s, happy gaming!
Could you also try it out with older games? In the past I was already doing high-ultra on DOOM 2016 with a 1050ti at 1080p and still getting lotsa FPS. Testing out older games (without going as far back as Team Fortress 2, even if 240FPS stable is still difficult to reach) would still be cool AND useful because many great games of the past decade are now pretty easy to run.
I am very surprised by this though all the research into making phone chips so much more powerful and efficient is crossing over to the desktop designs.
That's not a bad mini PC at all, for the size of the unit performance is surprisingly good. I remember when integrated graphics came in the form of the Intel HD4400 and Intel HD4600, both from the 4th gen Intel series, and both rather lacklustre to say the least even compared to something like a 2GB 960 or a 4GB 1050Ti. The 1050Ti is a nice performer for games like GTA 5 but I've never seen 100+FPS out of it with my HP OMEN 15 laptop, and I think that was either high or very high settings. Also, how do you manage to get GTA 5 to show more than 60fps, as mine is locked to 60?
Should put Return to Moria in the bench test lineups, I got it running 1440p high/very high and it looks astonishing esp when you get into the mines themselves which are freakin' huge. One thing to remember in the mines is careful on the ledges, I fell off a ledge onto a sticky out bit of planking between floor and fall point and I lost a ton of quest items as I simply cannot get back to the planky bit even with quick build platforms or a staircase or a rope ladder :(
At the moment the 780M is really good for handheld PCs, especially indie games. For AAA you have to lower resolution still to get ~60fps but on a smaller screen the tradeoff is acceptable. Next gen APU will be really interesting
Really the main issue with IGPs has to be memory bandwidth given how constrained it is with system RAM. The original Xbox One used DDR3 shared by system and video memory but they used some sort of cache to make up for the deficit afaik.
I am starting to love these very small desktop bpx PCs. For the end user they are more than fine and with this, for some Esports titles I would say it would run well. Also I would possibly test some games like CoD4, League of Legends amd CS2 to see where we stand on that.
great video and great little PC as well! I have a question , would increasing the allocated VRAM to 4GB in the BIOS give any noticeable difference in older APUs like the Ryzen 3 4300G and the Ryzen 5 3400g
Its amazing how far onboard graphics have come over the past few years.
Yup , I would not even consider such solution few years back , but since June my rent went from 580€ to 820€ and 100% is power bill fault , I use PC with 500w PSU 2 screens , and that can draw some power , but I play older/mmo games like wows so that kind of PC could be what I need .
theyre much stronger look at the xbox sx or ps5
i think its not going that fast at all, 2400g was released 7 years ago and this one is barely 2x faster.
Yep, gonna pick up one some day for my streaming needs. Using my old desktop to my TV now ^^ So smaller size but still about same performance of a gtx 970 is great.
@@budgetking2591cant wait for rx 580
I just recently upgraded from my evga 1050 ti I have had that card for about 6 years it was great and still is but dang the rx 7600 i got is amazing 👏
Nice upgrade :)
Hopefully will last another 6 years
How is power consumption of RX7600 in compare to 1050ti ? = how much more you pay per moth in power costs ?
@AdamMarcinkowski-ys8dk ha sure that is true but the graphics and frames are worth it
@@RandomGaminginHDI can't think of what it's called, but I saw a palm sized RTX GPU. I think it was called something like the a-500. I would love to see something like that with this mini PC if you're able to find it.
I dont know what it is but theres just something so neat about playing on integrated graphics
Yeah I can’t get enough haha
Me, who can smoothly run 0 A.D. on an Intel 915GM iGPU:
I have a PC with Ryzen 4600G. It's used as multimedia PC and also as NAS. It runs 24/7 so I wanted something with little power consumption. APU is just fine and it also can play some games. Good deal.
Yeah, having grown up with iGPUs being little more than glorified display adapters it's pretty wild. It's like seeing a Prius do 0 to 60 in 5 seconds. Shockingly fast for slumming hardware.
i felt that way when i bought a xbox one x when it was able to do 4k on a apu, when no other apu at the time on pc's could manage anything close.
It's crazy to think that what was once my dream entry level GPU is getting beaten by integrated graphics. Can't wait to see how they develop over the next few years.
I have a gtx 970 in my old system from 2014. And this APU is faster. The only bottleneck of these APUs is the limited memory bandwidth.
Yeah like 7 years ago lmao
I remember back when I didn't know anything about computers, I threw one of these in my office PC since it was all the rave for budget gaming. I thought I was an IT god for figuring it out.
what amd makes for sony and microsoft consels is around rx 6700xt performance, the consols have much more memory bandwidth then your typical desktop ram, so until we start seeing gddr6 in desktops the system memory will be a limiting factor
Only AMD though, Intel graphics are still shit
It's nice to see a RUclipsr who deserves it getting free stuff.
Don't let it go to your head, though! We like you because you are honest and unbiased. Trustworthy, in a nutshell.
It's nice to watch your channel grow.
Thank you! I’ll always give my honest thoughts on everything :)
Great video, seeing the 780M compared to a 1050ti was just what I wanted to see.
true, nice game picks too, showing how they trade punchs
Early in January I upgraded from a GTX 760 to a RX6600 8GB and the jump in performance was significantly noticeable
Dude, the 760 was released like 10 years ago 😅
@@horodoomwolfI just built a new PC this year. My prevous build was from 2014.
Haha I just put my EVGA 760 on my shelf as a display piece. I retired it in 2020 and realized there was no point keeping it in a box
@@Collin_J I did that with my Sapphire 4850 in 2016 after it served me well for 8 years.
The 6600 is a great card, just note that it only uses x8 PCI lanes. so if you didn't also upgrade your platform you might still be leaving some performance on the table if you only have PCI 3.0 and not PCI 4.0
It's very touching and proud to see you go from a small random PC tech review/tester to now having partners reachout to test their tech along side other RUclips channels like the big leagues. Many Kudos RGinHD!!
Thanks @ randomgaminghd for the review of quadro p620. It became my first ever gpu got it for 35 dollars used in Kenya and it complements my 900p monitor in most games.
I honestly thought the 1050Ti would just about beat the 780M integrated solution across the board with maybe the odd anomoly. To see the integrated GPU beat it out so often is jaw dropping. Roll on RDNA 4 on on whatever follows
really the 780M is in and around a 1060/1650. Not suprised.
Imagine what the upcoming Ryzen 7 8700G could do.... 12 cu like this one but 65w and much higher clockspeeds, i asume
@@xismxist
Looking forward to seeing the first batch of systems that use one.
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418
Still a surprise to me. I bought and used a 1050 and was happy with the performance, for its size...wasnt that long ago
@@xismxist hmmm not sure about that 65W includes the CPU. I'm sure you'll get better clock speeds but it's going to be using system RAM isn't it so I wouldn't be certain it's going to be all that much faster than the mobile part.
I love how you always do outdoors shots with hardware
Damn this is so sick I cant wait for the desktop apu
Yeah can’t wait to see what next year brings
@@RandomGaminginHDby the way, can you find information about AMD Ryzen Prometheus?
And its here! 8700G baby!!
Love your videos, been watching since you first tested the legendary Q6600 many years ago, keep up the great videos
Thank you! Love the Q6600
Outstanding performance from the 780m. Didn't expect to beat the 1050ti but oh wow I have been mistaken. I'm definitely not crying over my gtx 1050ti right now. Keep up the good work
Something to consider for a future comparison video. The upcoming Ryzen 8700G has the same 780M graphics onboard, but arguably with desktop cooling and power delivery you might be able to get a little more, or at least very consistent performance out of it. Something like an entry level 8700G build vs a second hand AM4 system with a ~1650 in it for example could be quite a matchup :)
watch your channel grow from 30+K subs to over half a mills. Congrats.
Soon we will have the Ryzen 8700G with 780M at 2900MHz excited about it. Thanks for the review 👍🏼
I think it has to be stated. Consistency is very important when measuring framerate. It seems in the games tested, the 1050ti is consistent more of the time, especially in older games. Hmm... Onboard graphics solutions are getting better and better though. I wonder if motherboards will ever get slots for GDDR variants of RAM rather than DDR (Probably not).
780M graphics is roughly equivalent to a GTX 1060, which used to be the baseline standard for 1080p gaming really not that long ago. Imagine iGPUs in about 10 years
Seems more like 1050 on a bad day, and 1650 on a good day. GTX1060 is a bit over that.
1060 is 50% faster
This APU is more comparable to a GTX 1650
Would have really liked to see how this played SOTTR. Old game I know, but it's still a spectacular way to benchmark it against something more suitable for what it was designed to do.
I just recently went from a gtx 1050 to an rtx 4060, and man what an upgrade. Huge difference. I am very happy.
Interesting and surprising. Mini PCs are tempting alternative.
I am impressed by the performance of iGPUs nowadays, especially this one. Perhaps in the coming years, the technology will improve making them a more viable option, not only for productivity, but also gaming. Thanks for the video RGHID, always brings something interesting to my day!
Used to actually have a 1050 ti, its amazing that this intergrated GPU is more powerful than it and also just how capable the 1050 ti is still.
Love to see a comparison with the 85w Rx 5300 3GB if you manage to get your hands on one
It's a great seldom talked about budget card
Yeah been looking for one for ages!
Yeah would love to see a vido on one of these OEM-only RDNA1 cards like this, 5600 non-XT or 5500 non-XT
@@RandomGaminginHD I could ship you one if wanna link up on discord
love that lit up channel logo - very nice touch by Minisforum
Just wanna say how proud i am of you, man. Ive been watching your channel since i was in 5th grade. You definitely had a hand in my career choices.
This is one of your best videos.
It’s something that the main benchmark channels don’t and it is significantly relevant.
Damn. Desktop gaming pcs will be a handheld device in the future. This is a start
What the hell, considering how expensive decent GPUs are now this is quite the help
My dear love have iGpu mini PC. Why it was so cool and amazing. Btw thanks for this good video 🎉
Video I was looking for these days!
How much longer will AMD make us suffer until they release new desktop APUs? :D
I've had a 1050Ti for a while when it came out and now APU's are better in most games ..
Yeah I am looking forward to seeing what comes next. But I’m getting impatient lol
next desktop apus are probably copy pasted from mobile apus and stuff, put higher tdp should definitely help
They will never release decent desktop APUs, mark my word. They could've a loooong time ago, look at what they made for PS5 and xbox x. But they need to sell budget PC cards.
@@PotatMasterRace they ARE releasing decent desktp apus, likely roughly equivalent to ps5, but rdna 4 is out by then and will probably have price cuts from msrp, it will basically negate most reason to buy the apu
Honestly I doubt they will release powerful APU cheap , simply because they would lost on that deal ! , they produce CPU $$$ , and GPU $$$ so APU = -$ , so I guess APU will be "scaled" and will never offer power/price value like GPU + CPU combo ... blame capitalism ;P
that occulink test has me interested, mostly because i'd like to see just how it can perform in say....a laptop, provided it will fit.
As Exyl says: Nice Logo😎
Thank you! I was looking at this PC for my Mother this Christmas.
Now Mini Itx is calling! ❤
According to my calculations the 780m is pretty bandwidth starved in this configuration. I'm planning on getting the AM5 version once it releases and combining it with as high speed DDR5 memory as I can. That will probably even out the percentile lows. But even then the memory bandwidth will likely remain the limiting factor.
Yeah, the 780m isn't much faster compared to 680m due to bandwidth. At 7600mt, it's only 10% faster, even though rdna 4 should be a huge leap. So the 780m is likely to be held back by ram.
First video I saw Minisforum included a custom sheet for the channel and I´ve seen 4 or 5 reviews before 👍
5 year from now we may not need gpu because we will be using igpu this small pc performed like a champ
Man, 11 year old me playing Minecraft on Core 2 Duo integrated laptop graphics would be thrilled with this!
feel old man
2y ago you just have like 90k subs now 500k keep growing
the upcoming 8000G APUs should be impressive
That Logo is epic!
7:44 sweet jump and spin 🔥
Very interesting as always!
It's the power budget causing those low 1% and 0.1%s. The processor has to share its power budget with the IGPU so they compete for it in demanding games. Using a discrete GPU allows the CPU to stretch its legs a little more, and since the GPU is powered separately it can also reach its maximum potential.
I would like to see what the performance is like with FSR running, since that makes budget small PC's like this really enticing for living room computers
Pretty sure Cyberpunk or Starfield have upscaling, maybe Tlou
Great video! I would be interested in seeing a direct head to head with the UM790 Pro if you still have it.
That was scary. I run a 3050 4gb vram laptop, from the look of things, it doesn't seem that far off from my system either. Would love a comparison though. Keep up the good work mate.
My gf also have 3050 4gb laptop (one of Acer nitro 5 model) and her in game performance is much, much better. Like witcher 3 next gen on high settings (except water and terrain are on medium) gets 85 fps, full medium preset gets around 130
Those results surprised me. Very interesting.
I just recently upgraded from my 1050ti last week to an rx6800 I brought back with me from my trip to the United States. The performance difference is just crazy, completely night & day. I've had my 1050ti for more than 6 years and now it's getting a new home in a pc I'm building for my father.
If anything I really want to see how it performs with the memory for the intergrated graphics to be set to what it normally would be (which I cant find) and THEN compare that to these results. If there is a chance to make it faster with more ram then it would be a cool path to venture.
The issue is that this minis forum only runs 5600mhz ram. And yes, you are right, it does severely bottleneck it, apparent 760m is about the same speed when using 5600mhz ram 16gb.
Its basically a 1660 but with the limitations of an integrated gpu. Thats really good to see.
It would be incredibly interesting to know how well the RDNA 3 APUs would perform with more memory bandwidth. Like - how would a 4-channel DDR5 APU do when it has 76 GB/s (@4800 MHz) to work with rather than 38 (@4800). For reference the 1050 Ti has around 112 GB/s.
Max supported memory for phoenix is 7500 MHz lpddr5x (soldered) at dual channel, which has around 117 GB/s. Since the memory used here is a sodimm without overclocking capability the limit is around 75 GB/s instead.
@@rafradekiYeah, I forgot to multiply by the number of channels. It's ~38 GB/s@4,800 MHz per channel of DDR5.
I recently upgraded my EVGA 1060 6G to an RTX 3070, the 1060 always did the job well enough but now I can crank the settings and get AV1 decode which my cpu was struggling with.
Nice :) The 1060 has held up so well
GTX 1060 6GB was the legendary golden card nVidia have ever released in its history, for most gamers on a budget, it was priced reasonablely and outperformed the GTX 980, even by today's standards I think it's still a very capable 1080p video card for a very cheap price, as long as you don't dial up the graphics settings too high it will run most of the games just fine, except some new titles that GTX 1060 aren't optimized for due to it no longer supported by nVidia
@@RandomGaminginHDyour channel has held up much better :P
LOL, I just realized the channel is named 'random gaming in hd', my brain always told me random 'gemini' XD
I can't wait to see how the desktop APU's do, considering that this is still a mobile chip. They might be able to reach 1060 performance with the added thermal headroom and faster DDR5 timings.
great stuff thanks for your testing
its amazing you can play freaking cyberpunk in a mini pc nowadays
Yeah I know if only my AMD a4 3300 could see this 😂
its almost surreal to see integrated graphics come so far!
Damn! Years back on board graphic was considered rather as display adapter than graphic card... Today, iGPU can actually run games, even AAA titles, with certain sacrifices. Also, contrary to GTA IV, GTA V is amazingly optimised on PC!
That's really cool of them to provide a logo just for you lol
That's really impressive considering its form factor. I wonder where we're going to end in a few years. Performance of a 6700xt in your hand? Mindblowing lol.
By the time we reach that level of performance at just 40-60w (because you dont want 120-150w in a tiny space do you), 6700xt will barely handle 1080p. That's how technology works.
Finally the video I was waiting for , the upcoming ryzen desktop apus (8000G) will actually feature the Radeon 780m and 760m..
Really nice mini PC.
I'd really love to see the difference between a simillarly priced desktop cpu and this when it comes to the external gpu.
I wish Minnie's forms would do barebone kits. $500 is a tough pill to swallow. If it was like 299 but you had to add your own RAM and storage that might be a little better
I was going to suggest a comparison video for the channel... run a shoot-out between various CPU's that have integrated graphics and then slap a variety of "old gold" LP graphics cards in them as per the classic method of shoving a Quadro K620 in some old i3 Optiplex as a way of getting it just about playable... but for any given landmark processor how high up the GPU tree do you need to go or is even worth it for the performance, K620's are pretty much e-waste these days, but my aging AMD X4 860K is rocking one in a tiny SFF case in my office and can cheerfully handle running Dredge at 1440p....
The 1050 Ti was my first proper gaming GPU. It was never amazing, but it was enough to begin my transition from a 8-and-16-bit-era console gamer to a PC gamer. Cool that integrated graphics are finally starting to match it.
Would love to see you test it with an external GPU! 😄👌
I have had a 1080ti for 6-years now, almost consider swapping it out for a mini pc, I only play CS2 and League, and I would love the reduced power usage, electricity is expensive where I live.
Keep the good work going ! Don't be like ETA prime !
what monitor are you using? great video yet again
This is such a cool little machine, so much power in a small form factor.
Reminds me of the Intel NUCs like something something canyon, seriously considered those for some time.
Damn thats a cute lookin Palit 1050 Ti
What about a 470/570 comparison vs the 780M? I think that would be more fair since they are both AMD and a little more powerful than the 1050ti after these fine wine years.
Compared to the rx 570 the 780m is less powerful. At least from what a user said in a forums since he had a mini pc with this gpu and a 570 gpu
AMD APUs have always been good as far back as I can remember. AMD rules the mini PC market and even the new PC handheld market. Intel just have never really had a good APU that could go up against AMD. If AMD ever make something like the intel N100 they would be pushed out of the mini PC market all together.
Just few years ago you could say that an iGPU was more or less just a display adapter. Now those can actually play AAA games more or less fine.
Watching you trade with that guy on the horse in RDR2 had me dying 😅
Not bad really, think there could become a time where there is no need for a dedicated graphics card
weird my 1050 ti does alot better, i can hit 60 on cyberpunk on a mix of low and medium at 1080 the ddr5 might be the difference though i guess, it be interesting to see if the 1050 hooked up as an external gpu is better than the 780m
Yeah that’ll be interesting. Might have to see how that affects things
Literally the only practical use I can think of for RGB lighting is as a temperature sensor - and I have yet to see a single piece of RGB hardware with that feature built in.
Just upgraded from an i gpu to a 1650 after nearly a decade!, its really good! Might not play the new games but can play the games i want! /*modern games from the 2010s*/
Having a gpu is a game changer!
Cpu:i5 4590s, happy gaming!
It's nice to see integrated graphics catching up with a discrete card though. Before they were miles apart in the frames.
Could you also try it out with older games?
In the past I was already doing high-ultra on DOOM 2016 with a 1050ti at 1080p and still getting lotsa FPS.
Testing out older games (without going as far back as Team Fortress 2, even if 240FPS stable is still difficult to reach) would still be cool AND useful because many great games of the past decade are now pretty easy to run.
I am very surprised by this though all the research into making phone chips so much more powerful and efficient is crossing over to the desktop designs.
That's not a bad mini PC at all, for the size of the unit performance is surprisingly good.
I remember when integrated graphics came in the form of the Intel HD4400 and Intel HD4600, both from the 4th gen Intel series, and both rather lacklustre to say the least even compared to something like a 2GB 960 or a 4GB 1050Ti.
The 1050Ti is a nice performer for games like GTA 5 but I've never seen 100+FPS out of it with my HP OMEN 15 laptop, and I think that was either high or very high settings.
Also, how do you manage to get GTA 5 to show more than 60fps, as mine is locked to 60?
Should put Return to Moria in the bench test lineups, I got it running 1440p high/very high and it looks astonishing esp when you get into the mines themselves which are freakin' huge. One thing to remember in the mines is careful on the ledges, I fell off a ledge onto a sticky out bit of planking between floor and fall point and I lost a ton of quest items as I simply cannot get back to the planky bit even with quick build platforms or a staircase or a rope ladder :(
hyped to see how it will perform on desktop with overclocked ram (7000+)
At the moment the 780M is really good for handheld PCs, especially indie games. For AAA you have to lower resolution still to get ~60fps but on a smaller screen the tradeoff is acceptable. Next gen APU will be really interesting
This is now.
Imagine what APUs will be capable of in the future.
Especially with much better image reconstruction tech.
Arthur Morgan struggling there lol
Yeah haha didn’t expect that
Really the main issue with IGPs has to be memory bandwidth given how constrained it is with system RAM. The original Xbox One used DDR3 shared by system and video memory but they used some sort of cache to make up for the deficit afaik.
Too bad there's no e-sports titles here, but anyway well made video.
Yeah harder to compare really but I’ll have another video on this soon and will include some esports games :)
@@RandomGaminginHDcs2, valorant, rocket league, pubg, apex as examples.
Video suggestion: what high end hardware of yester-year does it take to match modern integrated graphics?
I am starting to love these very small desktop bpx PCs. For the end user they are more than fine and with this, for some Esports titles I would say it would run well. Also I would possibly test some games like CoD4, League of Legends amd CS2 to see where we stand on that.
great video and great little PC as well! I have a question , would increasing the allocated VRAM to 4GB in the BIOS give any noticeable difference in older APUs like the Ryzen 3 4300G and the Ryzen 5 3400g
You know you hit the big time when companies send you mini PCs to test....