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ein Beitrag des Montages, 11. März 2024 You could make some categories, as points etc., with a maximum of 100 points each! Then count the points together to rank the players performances!
l like a lot Mike james but starting a conversation for the goat of Euroleague for a player that doesnt have a trophy is at least hilarious if not offending
@@ssk-_-dotz3773 Sure but CSKA was one of the favorites though. He also helped Baskonia reach final 4 and both his years in PAO they got eliminated in playoff phase by that year's to be champion. The thing is that in Monaco he has improved overall as a player and it shows
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv I can agree that maybe the stats are not on par, but titles and accolades do matter. Mike needs a few titles. I still like seeing highlights though. He’s a baller.
my favourite player is Diamandidis. (i am not panathinaikos fan) . with him we learned how important defence is, we learned to love defending skills, pick and roll , deflections .. of course top 5 are also navaro,bodiroga,spanulis,jasikevicius
For me, it's still Bodiroga. He was the winner on every team. He made every team title winning team. I might be slightly influenced by his 2 World Titles and 3 European Titles with the national side.
Dimitris Diamantidis- 3D - all day and all night ! A 2 way -clutch player and a leader. made every teamate happy with assists, defence, blocks , steals and rebounds.. it's not only the defensive talent but the contribution to the team, making everyone better . the GOAT coach Obradovic can vouch for him !!
@@emmanouilgoulidakis7712τι λες μωρέ μλκ, ο καλύτερος αμυντικός όλων τον εποχών στην περιφέρεια, σκόρερ, δημιουργός, ριμπάουντερ, clutch, ηγέτης, νικητής (mvp, final four mvps, defender of the year, 3 ευρωπαϊκά και αμέτρητους ενχώριους τίτλους και διακρίσεις) Ο καλύτερος all-around παίχτης όλων των εποχών άρα ο GOAT💚
@@emmanouilgoulidakis7712 το τριποντο με την μπαρτσελονα μεσα στην ισπανια? παλι με την μπαρτσελονα στο οακα το 2013 ? τα σουτ απο το κεντρο ενα ποντο πισω που αλλαζαν την ψυχολογια και τον ρυθμο ολο του ματς? πως γινεται να βγαινεις να λες τετοια και να μην εκτιθεσαι κι ολας ?
@@emmanouilgoulidakis7712 επισης δεν ξερω αν ειδες το βιντεο, λογικα θα ειδες μεχρι τον σπανουλη γιατι εννοειται πως εισαι γαυρος, αν το εβλεπες ολο εξηγει και μεσα στο βιντεο ποσο σημαντικος παικτης ηταν ο διαμαντιδης, αμυντικα και επιθετικα ειχε τεραστιο impact, κανενας δεν ηταν τοσο επικυνδινος και στα 2 οσο ο διαμαντιδης και αυτο το ξερετε πολυ καλα.
im an olympiacos fan, so it goes without mention that spanoulis is my guy, but guys like bodiroga had less games in the league(different format back then). so its unfair to compare points or w/e. mike james shouldnt be on the discussion, he is like a teodosic... amazing players, totally inconsistent and if they have a bad game they take their teams down with them... i remember teodosic when we faced him in 2012 finals against csska. the guy spent the first half firing on all cylinders... then he choked and had me yelling at the screen "thats who you are" every time he was missing a shot(he was for years in olympiacos and i love him, but he was inconsistent with us as well! xD)... on the other hand guys like diamantidis were almost never wrong... he wouldnt have a 30pts game, but if he missed 3 shots he knew it wasnt his day and he had to pass it to not ruin his team, and he still was a great defender and a playmaker. spanoulis without saying he could be 0/30 in the first 3 quarters and a half but if you needed 5 pts in the last minute he would give you 6. then you have guys like navarro, rodrigues, fernandes who cannot be overlooked, despite having played in the nba which fucks up their euroleague legacy
Teodosić won his only EL title because of Khryapa's tip-in after offensive rebound in 2016 Finals. And because Nando de Colo had a great game. Teodosić airballed 3-pointer in 2010 Semifinal, but Childress saved his a$$
Spanoulis was a beast both in pao and olympiacos. He was the finals mvp in 2009 in a team full of stars. Then he moved to olympiacos in a very young team and won back to back titles. With him also Olympiacos made 2 appearances in finals 2015 2017. These finals took place in the home court of Real and Fener accordingly. He is in every stat line in the history of euroleague but i think that the reason why he is the goat is his mentality.
As a greek and a pao fan,i completely agree with vspan and diamantidis veing the candidates,but i gotta give the goat title to bodiroga.I mean the guy was consistently winning in every team he was in(including serbia national team)and i cant remember him having bad nights.Unstoppable at his time.Mike james should not be in the discussion in my opinion,but for he gets the most fun to watch player..p.s:navaro for honorable mention
Credit to Mike James, I loved him when he was playing in Vitoria for my team, Baskonia. But I think is delusional to even try to create a debate about him being the Euroleague GOAT because of the scoring record. He hasn´t even won a MVP or a Euroleague title, and I highly doubt even if he is a top 10 Euroleague guard of all time. He is not better than Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Navarro, Llull, Larkin, De Colo, Teodosic... Also, the scoring record in the competition needs big context. In the NBA, the record is more meaningful because they have played 82 game seasons for 70 years. Here, the record is highly influenced because of the number of games that the Euroleague has now a days. To put it in context, in the finnal seasons of the 2000s a Euroleague team could play a maximum of 21 games in total (10 games Group Stage, 6 games Top 6, a best of 3 playoff series and 2 games in the Final Four). Now a days, you have 34 Regular season games, a best of 5 playoff series and a Final Four, so around 40 games, almost double. EDIT: Just watched the video. The fact that there´s not even a mention of Juan Carlos Navarro and that Mike James is named in the top 4 is just ridiculous. Not a single rational argument can defend that opinion.
GOAT: Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Bodiroga Best Player: Bodiroga, Parker, Kirilenko Best Scorer: Parker, Larkin, James Best Defender: Kirilenko, Diamantidis, Hines Best Creator: Calathes, Papaloukas, Diamantidis Best Shooter: Carroll, Navaro, Vezenkov Most Clutch: Lull, Spanoulis, Diamantidis Fun to watch: Saras, Teodosic, Rodriguez Honorable mentions: Micic, Mirotic, De Colo James can't be considered yet the GOAT. He needs to win at least one Euroleague title and imo two just to be actually in the conversation. He will get his first MVP most likely if Monaco finishes 2nd place this season. Counting stats are not that important. Longevity matters off course, but even the averages don't tell the whole truth. The general rule is that we can't compare players or teams from different eras. Basketball changes slowly each year, but there are actual changes that lead to that. Bigger court plus more space because of better shooters, assists for foul shots, a lot more games, best europeans going to the NBA, etc.
i agree but in the creators you cant forget the first player in assists spanoulis and you can not say goat without saying tony kukoc and in honorable mentions is dominique wilkins macijauskas also in scorers
Tell me you are a PAO fan without telling me.... I can smell you guys from miles away. You have to put DD in every category that spanoulis is in your post. Cause of course he is better than him in everything right?? Please can you explain why DD was better creator for example my sweet green rabbit?
@@Grimwish7 Yes because when they were in the same team Spanoulis was also a bench player. All the years in Panathinaikos Spanoulis was the 6th player but also in Greek national team Diamantidis Papaloukas and Chatzivretas were the starters. You can rewatch the games.Of course Spanoulis was a great player.He had great games and career.Nobody cant deny that.But if you have to choose one its not him.At least that what their coaches did.
@@stathisphangan Why PAO fans always lying?? Check the stats son. 2007-08 spanoulis had more points than Diamantidis. 2008-9 spanoulis has more points AND more assist than Diamantidis. AND HE WAS FINAL 4 MVP in 2009 euroleague title for PAO. Thats the reason he left in 2010 for OLY. He wanted to play more because he was better but your team was full of stars like Saras Drew Nickolas and DD. Diamantidis always had super players around him. Spanoulis won the titles with a bunch of kids. And then this guy @mikesak7994 says DD was better creator than spanoulis despite the fact that Vasilis is No1 in assist in Euroleague AND GREEK league...HAHAHA PAO FANS STOP LYING V-SPAN better player end of story
@@nthimosmauromatidis2231The first player in assists isn't Spanoulis, it is Calathes, but like I said we can't compare them just by counting stats or the averages, because the game is different. I am also taking into account that Calathes or Papaloukas aren't great shooters, making their job more difficult than the one of Spanoulis or James which are elite scorers that lead the defenses to get their attention so others could score from their assists. To be honest I thought we were talking about modern Euroleague, that's why Dominique or Kukoc wasn't included on my lists. Macijauskas didn't have plenty of seasons like James and Larkin and I made an exception for Parker, because he was that great and impactful. The same goes for Kirilenko which I was debating with myself if I should have excluded him or not.
Diamantidis, Spanoulis, James, Sarunas, Siskaoskas and Bodiroga have played in Panathinaikos. That's why this team create beasts. Sarunas was almost benched when pana 2009 won the euroleague. Amazing team
Navarro definitively deserved an honorable mention as he was one of the most feared scorers of his era. Overall the goat convo for euroleague is super difficult and complicated and i think its important to take into account the supporting casts thses stars had as well. In my books Sarunas, Bodiroga and Spanoulis have the most powerful cases...
Spanoulis, no question. It's not only the titles and the mvps, it's that he lead a team of boys in 2012 and 2013 to win the euroleague. Papanikolaou, Sloukas, Mantzaris, even Printezis and Hines were almost nobodies in 2012 and together with average level players like Erceg, Gecevicious, Antic and Dorsey, Spanoulis won the Euroleague back to back. With his play (1st all time scorer and assister at his time) he turned players like Hines,Dundston, Hunter, Birtch, Milutinov into stars with multimillion contracts. Diamantidis is also a legend but he won everything with the highest budget teams, with star teamates. The same with Saras. It is not only how good a player is but the situations under he shines.
I am a Panathinaikos fan. My top-5 players from 2000 until now: 1. Dimitris Diamantidis 2. Dejan Bodiroga 3. Vasilis Spanoulis 4. Sarunas Jasikevicius 5. Carlos Navvaro Leaving aside my love for Panathinaikos and trying to speak clearly with basketball criteria there is one reason why Diamantidis was better than Spanoulis. Diamantidis was an extraordinary defender (one of the best ever in Europe) and a very good offensive player. Just remember the winning shot at the Eurobasket semi-finals in 2005. On the other hand, Spanoulis was a great offensive player (better than Diamantidis and one of the best of all times) but not a noteworthy defender. I mean that Dimitris was a more versatile player being good at both defense and offence. And don't forget what the great Kobe Bryant once said: "I wish I had on my team one player named Diamantidis".
Yes you clearly left your love for PAO outside your post xD xD Its funny how nobody mentions that Diamantidis was playing with the best teammates in Europe. Pao roster back then was the best by far. Spanoulis won those titles alone. No spanoulis, no party, no title. p.g Για αυτο οι Ευρωπαιοι τιμουν τον σπανουλη και τον βαζουν ΟΛΟΙ πανω απο τον Διαμαντιδη και μονο εσεις τα βαζελια θα λετε μια ζωη οτι ο DD ηταν καλυτερος. Ηταν καλυτερος αμυντικος. Καλυτερος 2way player. Μεχρι εκει. Παραδεχτειτε επιτελους το μεγαλειο του Kill Bill
@@Grimwish7 παικτάρα ο kill bill αλλά θα έπαιρνα Διαμαντίδη γιατί πρόσφερε περισσότερα πράγματα που δεν φαινόντουσαν τόσο. Ήταν αρκετά πιο ολοκληρωμένος σαν guard, αλλά χειρότερος στο scoring.
De Colo? 2 titles, 1 mvp, 1 finals mvp, almost got the all time scoring title, nevertheless 3rd and will become 2nd soon. Most PIR accumulated in eurloeague history
Nah, Mike James is nowhere close to the Goat. 1. Sex, droga Bodiroga 2. Spanoulis 3. Diamantidis 4. Segio Lull 5. Juan Carlos Navarro or Anthony Parker
Bro you always make the best videos from your channel . Always a logical question and results based on facts . Some may not agree with your choises but no one can say they are unsubstantiated ! Again always a great video . Only one advise/joke if can say . My neck is hearting from looking over my left shoulder if someone is coming :D !
The goat is diqmantidis. Other than the fact that along side teodosic he is the best playmaker he is also with spanoulis the most clucth.BUT he is also THE BEST defender. He was won the dpoy 6 times !!!(no other has more than 2). Also he has 2 f4 Mvps and 3 euroleagues
Mike has 3 plus the current one, 4 years of future career. If he somehow manages to win not 1, but 2 titles, then yeah definitely he could be in the conversation. Without them, no.
I would mention Navaro as well but im fine with your list. My all time favourites are Diamantidis and Bodiroga but im PAO fun and im biased. However, the GREATEST Basketballer who has EVER walked on a European basketball court or ANY other court on planet Earth is called LUKA DONCIC. The GOAT! Keep up the great videos
I gave you the tumbs up until I read the second part. Luka is not even the best player in the NBA. He is really good, but he has to win titles to confirm it.
does someone know that mike james played in a random team in italy called paffoni omegna, which is a town of 14k people and is in the fourth italian league?
When Mike James will win an euroleague title, then he could join this conversation but right now Spanoulis, Juan Carlos Navarro and a lot of other guys are ahead of him
@@jekufolebron isn't top three. maybe further down. Jordan, jabbar, bryant, magic, maybe then lebron. Curry is there for impact. Lebron is more of a media king and builts good teams and destroys the franchise picks lol. Nothing more.
James is the closest to an NBA superstar/superscorer we can get in Euroleague - not because he is injured or on drugs or chased by the law, but because he is short. He is pure joy to observe. He does lack in titles and that counts, however I will add that he lacks in terms of attitude / persona too. Especially while younger, he was a bit controversial and not well respected. The difference with Spanoulis is that Bill had global recognition and love. I remember fans of the opposing teams applauding him. Moreover, he was inspirational for his team mates and youngsters that looked up on him. You could hear stories about him and his obsession with basketball that bring Christiano Ronaldo and Kobe to mind (I think he was not as extreme as they were but still). Additionally, the 2 titles that he won with Olympiakos - especially the first one - were with low budget / fame team mates. Yes, you know Sloukas, Papanikolaou, Hines, Printezis, but who knew them at the time? I doubt you could have substituted Spanoulis with any other player and won those titles. I believe he removed part of the stress from younger team mates because they all knew that when it mattered, when the ball burned, he would carry the team. This way, his team mates were able to play their game. Moreover, and I cannot stress this enough, he was a monster at pick n roll. He has invented careers that did not exist for his center team mates. I was watching his games and i was like 'how does he pass the ball to the center so effortlessly?' and then when he stopped no one else could do it this well. Finally, part of his legend was that he left an a-ma-zing, all star pao team, with the best coach, top class team mates in order to succeed on the biggest pao adversary olympiakos. Olympiakos at the time had a mediocre team that hadn't won greek championship or euroleague for ages. Well, he made it and that's a story by itself.
Mike James is borderline top 25, putting him on the Euroleague goat discussion is the worst take i have heard from this other than that great channel. Saras, Parker, Siskauskas, Diamantidis, Batiste, Papaloukas, Navarro, Llull, Sergi, Spanoulis,Printezis,Baston, Bodiroga, De Colo were way more complete, impactful and successful on big games than James Scola,Andersen,Smodis, Holden, Langdon, Larkin, Hines, Micic, Nicholas, Calathes, Vujcic, Teodosic, Nocionni are also higher than him but i agree it could be debatable for some reasons (years played in the league etc)
The best 2-way player ever, the best defender, passer and leader of his time combined with clutch shot making and numerous titles and accolades: Dimitris 3D Diamantidis.
Toni Kukoc, only one with 3 times in row euroleague champion, 3 times final four MVP. only guy with 4 mister europa awards. World championship and eurobasket winner and MVP. Very underrated.
i saw Panathinaikos, Real ,and Olympiakos teams on the video 2433 times lol 3D Diamantidis...omg i remember Diamantidis Spanoulis and Sarunas on the same team of Panathinaikos
james is a gifted scorer no doudt but to my eyes even if he had 1 title,that alone cannot put him in goat conversations,he needs more like the others who are in the goat conversation
I am Panathinaikos fan. I had the chance to see most of these players playing for my team and winning championships. Mike James is my favorite Euroleage player since he was young, playing for Panathinaikos. The GOAT is Diamantidis, cause he is the definition of the captain. Always humble and always playing for the team. He never wanted fame and glory so he never focused on stats. Yet he is the most famous and most glorious among Panathinaikos fans. P.S. Antonis Fotsis is the most underated player ever. If not the best player in his position, surely top 3 players ever played in that position. I believe that he should be an honorble mention, althought he is not famous.
Thanks for the video. Mike James should come and play for Olympiacos because his play will revive our team like Spanoulis is playing again and then he will win one and he will be No1 GOAT.
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what makes someone GOAT is %80 character. So seeing him in the same picture with Spanoulis makes my stomach go up. I think you do it on purpose to make us angry? 🤣
@@infectedplus1 yea, absolutly. He gave Greece it's title in 87, being the best scorer and best player if i'm right. A basketball monster. Everybody speaks about Spanoulis and ignore before because it's "prehistoric" basketball, what a shame. Do they do the same in Football for Maradona, Platini, Zico, Pelé, Beckenbauer and so many other greats from decades ago? Just don't count because the Champion's League was not the same formula (actual national champions and not billionaires' clubs favorised by UEFA to make it a closed league like the NBA). Do they do the same in Rugby ? The Korac Cup existed, and it was a real thing !
If you are the best, you have to win something for the national team in your career.... Diamantidis i spanulis 🥇euro basket 2005. Sarunas J 🥇euro 2003. Navaro 🥇🥇 euro 2011,2009 🥇world cup 2006. Bodiroga 🥇🥇🥇euro 1995, 1997,2001 🥇🥇 world cup 1998,2002.
many players can be in the list either amazing defenders or scorers but the goat is one and is spanoulis!he is the idol of the new generation that conquers nba and ofc spanoulis play is used around the world and that speaks volumes!thank you vspan for all you gave us
1) Spanoulis 2) Diamantidis 3) Bodiroga 4) James - - titles matter (ask... Karl Malone, John Stockton etc) Theo Papaloukas should also be in the conversation, great seasons with CSKA and Olympiakos.
Keep wondering about these stats. Then I remember: - 40min vs. 48min in the NBA - it's a team sport in Euro - actual defence played Suddenly 16ppg sounds really good. 👌
The number of championships won factor is the least important one for such a discussion in euro basketball. The most important factor, the team's roster, is almost never decided by the player in question on euro teams. Also the Final 4 format favours surprises and most of the teams that became champions weren't the best one during the season. Instead we should look for how much that player influenced his team and in which way.
In Euroleague is very difficult to choose a goat. Its better to make a top3 or top5. The only thing i'll say is that for spanoulis case you should remember that in the years of the back2back nobody knew who kyle hines was, and Sloukas, papanikolaou where kids. So if he wasnt there? No trophies!
ein Beitrag des Montages, 11. März 2024 Der mediale Fokus liegt meistens auf Luka Doncic. die Notierten (49): Europa 27; Amerika 18; Asien 2; Afrika 1 Januar (3): Europa 2; Amerika 1 1966: Ergin Ataman (Istanbul) 1988: Alexander Tyus (Missouri) 1994: Vasilije Micić (Serbien) Februar (6): Europa 4; Amerika 2 1973: Tyus Dwayne Edney (Staat Kalifornien) 1981: Andrei Gennadjewitsch Kirilenko (Udmurtien) 1987: Ante Tomić (Dubrovnik) 1989: Nicholas William Calathes (Florida) 1991: Nikola Mirotić Stajović (Geburt in Titograd) 1999: Luka Dončić (Laibach) März (6): Europa 4; Amerika 1; Afrika 1 1960: Željko Obradović (Mittelserbien) 1973: Dejan Bodiroga (Mittelbanat) 1978: Igor Rakočević (Belgrad) 1982: Walter Samuel Tavares da Veiga (Kap Verde) 1987: Miloš Teodosić (Serbien) 1991: Facundo Campazzo (Argentinien) April (4): Amerika 3; Europa 1 1974: Marcus James Brown (Arkansas) 1980: Lance Terrell McIntyre (Buenos Aires; in einem Herbst geboren) 1983: Devin Michael Smith (Delaware) 1990: Jan Veselý (Ostrau) Mai (7): Europa 4; Amerika 3 1959: David Michael Blatt (Kentucky) 1973: Dejan Tomašević (Belgrad) 1976: Trajan Shaka Langdon (Staat Kalifornien) 1977: Theodoros Papaloukas (Griechenland) 1980: Dimitrios Diamantidis (Griechenland) 1986: Bryant Kevin Dunston jr. (Queens) 1988: Nemanja Bjelica (Belgrad) Juni (3): Europa 2; Amerika 1 1975: Anthony Michael Parker (Iowa) 1980: Juan Carlos Navarro Feijoo (Südkatalonien) 1987: Nando Bruno Alfred Andre de Colo (Französisch Flandern) Juli (2): Europa 1; Amerika 1 1977: Emanuel David Ginóbili Maccari (Argentinien) 1983: Nenad Krstić (Serbien) August (3): Europa 2; Asien 1 1990: Michael Perry James (Oregon) 1992: Bogdan Bogdanović (Serbien) 1995: Aleksandar Wesenkow (Nikosia) September (4): Europa 2; Amerika 2 1959: Ettore Messina (Sizilien) 1978: Ramūnas Šiškauskas (Litauen) 1983: Keith Langford (Texas) 1986: Kyle Tyrrell Hines (Philadelphia) Oktober (5): Amerika 3; Europa 2 1943: Dušan Ivković (Belgrad; verstorben) 1971: Alphonso Gene Ford (Staat Mississippi) 1977: Lance Terrell McIntyre (Nordkarolinien) 1990: Stefan Jović (Serbien) 1992: Deshane Davis Larkin (Zinzinatti) November (2): Europa 1; Asien 1 1951: Pinhas Jair Gershon (Tel Aviv) 1987: Sergio Llull Melià (Menorca) Dezember: Europa 1 1988: Alexei Wiktorowitsch Schwed (Belgorod; ein deutschsprachiger Familienname) welcher Geburtsmonat? (2): Europa 1; Amerika 1 Georgios Bartzokas (Griechenland) Jeff Trepagnier (USA)
James is an excellent shooter and scorer in general BUT he has spend his career in second tier teams playing the hero and hogging the ball. When he plays well or when he is not properly defended they win, when he is not playing well they lose. All the others in this video played in highly competitive teams that had alternatives to "hero ball" thus time and attempts were shared better with their teamates. Spanoulis didn't even play that much in the 2012 final because he wasn't in the zone (at least early on) guess what Olympiacos closed the difference without him and when he returned to the game they won. James' teams rely so much on him and that's why he has these "crazy" stats.
Bird is overall goat. If game creation, passing, rebounding, impact, clutch, etc taken into account. Russel is wins goat, Jordan is scoring goat, Kareem, Magic, Wilt
A lot of guys can score, some guys can run the offence and see the floor real well, a lot can lock people down on D and know to space the floor on both ends, and a lot can throw excellent passes. Only ONE player in the era you are talking about could do all of that combined, at will, and he chose to always play for the team, never stat padding, never wanting to take the spotlight unless he had to, always delivering every night. Until he got badly injured in 2009 which took away his side stepping on D, he won DPOY 5 seasons in a row. Dimitris Diamantidis is the GOAT of the Euroleague, no doubt about it.
Those who understand basketball, choose Diamantidis. Best defender, best passer, smartest player, best creator and of course, one of the clutchest players. He was everywhere in the court and everything in the court. He wasn't the best scorer but he was good enough. He just had everything. If he was playing in shooting gaurd position he would be the best scorer as well.
Nooooo f@cking way... He is just the 1st scorer... You can't be the Euroleague GOAT with no Euroleague titles,F4 MVPs and leadership games in playoffs and F4s... Mike James is a great player but has nothing from these above... Spanoulis on the other hand has 3 Euroleague titles, 3 F4 MVPs and many many leadership games in playoffs and F4s... And additionally he was at the same time 1st at points,assists and PIR.... Magical things from the GOAT of Euroleague!
I am PAO fan, for me Bodiroga is undoubtedly the GOAT. He was the Doncic of his time. As a PAO fan of course my second choice is Diamantidis. Also, I think Navaro was worth a mention.
For me the top three is 1. Spanoulis 2. Diamantidis 3.Bodiroga And I wouldn't be offended if anyone else has these 3 in any particular order since I think it's very close between them all and all 3 have much different playstyles
Dimitris without any hesitation. In his bad games averages a PIR 6-7. In Spanoulis bad games you could see a -10 PIR (a lot of turnovers and missing shoots) And if we consider Obradovic is the greatest coach of europe... we know who he preffered between Dimitris and Vasilis.....Dimitris without any hesitation...
For me the Euroleague goat is Diamantidis and close second is Spanoulis. Spanoulis has one more f4mvp but Diamantidis has 6 dpoy awards to close the difference. I am very grateful that I had the opportunity to enjoy both of them dominating the league
Let's not do all this legacy "who's the GOAT" BS that the NBA does. I quit watching NBA Basketball partly for this reason. Just getting into Euroleague a little and I'm hoping will be reminiscent of the NBA Basketball I used to enjoy in the 90s.
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv yes he clearly had better teamates in 2012 and 2013 when he won the Euroleague back to back against teams with 5x the budget of olympiacos, playing with 19-20 years old kiddos...
coach Obradovic can eply to this : it should be a 2 way player to make the GOAT ! 3D is the one. VSPAN is the greatest offensive along with Navarro (as a talent Mike is there , but no tiltes) ..
Diamantidis is the goat of euroleague, no doubt about it. Span and James might be the best offensive players/ scorers. Diamantidis had balance in defence and offence , clutch player, leadership, assists, captain, 6times best euroleague defender and rarely made a bad choice, mistake unlike Spanoulis and James. Spanoulis defence was bad, James decisions were pour sometimes. Could be compare diama with dejan tbh All mentioned players played for pana . This shows the greatness of this team. Best European team by far
Jasikevičius > Mike. He won 3 in a row. Bodiroga didn't invented Shammgod/El Latigo, but he perfected it. It was used back in the 80s by Danko Cvjetićanin. Danilović also used it since the early 90s.
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ein Beitrag des Montages, 11. März 2024
You could make some categories, as points etc., with a maximum of 100 points each!
Then count the points together to rank the players performances!
Euroleague GOAT is Bodiroga or Drazen Petrovic
What about with Juan Carlos Navarro?
a player without a title can't be considered
0 mvp's too
@@AntonisAnt22 if he had a final four mvp then maybe, regular season mvp isn't as important
@@vulee100 yeah i agree
Nick galis and drazen petrovic are the two goat of Europe
I was like... and the 4th player is Juan Carlos Na.... MIKE JAMES!?
Navarro deserved a mention at least.
Navarro was great, but in no way GOAT.
Bodiroga, Jasikevicius, Navarro, Spanoulis, Diamantidis
l like a lot Mike james but starting a conversation for the goat of Euroleague for a player that doesnt have a trophy is at least hilarious if not offending
exactly just a scorer in non-competitive teams...
@@zikaperic2133 I wouldn't call CSKA that
@@lantidis1or even Monaco, last yr final 4 and this year 4th in el standings rn
@@ssk-_-dotz3773 Sure but CSKA was one of the favorites though. He also helped Baskonia reach final 4 and both his years in PAO they got eliminated in playoff phase by that year's to be champion. The thing is that in Monaco he has improved overall as a player and it shows
There’s no denying Mike James’ ability to score, but we all know Kill Bill is still the GOAT.
Nahhh
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv I can agree that maybe the stats are not on par, but titles and accolades do matter. Mike needs a few titles. I still like seeing highlights though. He’s a baller.
@@NikosNikos-dr7wvYou like saying not according to statistics, do you?
hahahahahahaha 😂😂😂😂
@@alfredoladino9838Diamantidis
my favourite player is Diamandidis. (i am not panathinaikos fan) . with him we learned how important defence is, we learned to love defending skills, pick and roll , deflections .. of course top 5 are also navaro,bodiroga,spanulis,jasikevicius
also ... olympiakos fan , but vasilis and diamantidis are times greater than james, he needs not one biut 2-3 titles to be in the conversation
Juan Carlos Navarro wasnt even mentioned how?
Not great in any statistics or titles, plus not a leader carrying the team. But a genuine scorer (and sorry to say, excellent flopper as well)
Best flopper unironically, but I agree with you. He should have been mentioned, he was a top guard for many years.
Hate him, but honostly top5 definately
For me, it's still Bodiroga. He was the winner on every team. He made every team title winning team.
I might be slightly influenced by his 2 World Titles and 3 European Titles with the national side.
Solid take.
Bodiroga won 3 titles only with Barcelona was the best player on his team.
Bodiroga won 3 titles only with Barcelona was the best player on his team.
Dimitris Diamantidis- 3D - all day and all night ! A 2 way -clutch player and a leader. made every teamate happy with assists, defence, blocks , steals and rebounds.. it's not only the defensive talent but the contribution to the team, making everyone better . the GOAT coach Obradovic can vouch for him !!
A player who cannot lead a team with lesser players around him and cannot score unless under specific circumstances cannot be the goat. Stop joking.
@@emmanouilgoulidakis7712τι λες μωρέ μλκ, ο καλύτερος αμυντικός όλων τον εποχών στην περιφέρεια, σκόρερ, δημιουργός, ριμπάουντερ, clutch, ηγέτης, νικητής (mvp, final four mvps, defender of the year, 3 ευρωπαϊκά και αμέτρητους ενχώριους τίτλους και διακρίσεις) Ο καλύτερος all-around παίχτης όλων των εποχών άρα ο GOAT💚
@@MrDinos Ποιος ήταν σκορερ; χαχχα. Άσε μας ρε αδερφέ. Ένα ματς κέρδισε μόνος του με την Ουνικαχα στο οακα και το δείχνετε στα highlight 15 χρόνια.
@@emmanouilgoulidakis7712 το τριποντο με την μπαρτσελονα μεσα στην ισπανια? παλι με την μπαρτσελονα στο οακα το 2013 ? τα σουτ απο το κεντρο ενα ποντο πισω που αλλαζαν την ψυχολογια και τον ρυθμο ολο του ματς? πως γινεται να βγαινεις να λες τετοια και να μην εκτιθεσαι κι ολας ?
@@emmanouilgoulidakis7712 επισης δεν ξερω αν ειδες το βιντεο, λογικα θα ειδες μεχρι τον σπανουλη γιατι εννοειται πως εισαι γαυρος, αν το εβλεπες ολο εξηγει και μεσα στο βιντεο ποσο σημαντικος παικτης ηταν ο διαμαντιδης, αμυντικα και επιθετικα ειχε τεραστιο impact, κανενας δεν ηταν τοσο επικυνδινος και στα 2 οσο ο διαμαντιδης και αυτο το ξερετε πολυ καλα.
im an olympiacos fan, so it goes without mention that spanoulis is my guy, but guys like bodiroga had less games in the league(different format back then). so its unfair to compare points or w/e. mike james shouldnt be on the discussion, he is like a teodosic... amazing players, totally inconsistent and if they have a bad game they take their teams down with them... i remember teodosic when we faced him in 2012 finals against csska. the guy spent the first half firing on all cylinders... then he choked and had me yelling at the screen "thats who you are" every time he was missing a shot(he was for years in olympiacos and i love him, but he was inconsistent with us as well! xD)... on the other hand guys like diamantidis were almost never wrong... he wouldnt have a 30pts game, but if he missed 3 shots he knew it wasnt his day and he had to pass it to not ruin his team, and he still was a great defender and a playmaker. spanoulis without saying he could be 0/30 in the first 3 quarters and a half but if you needed 5 pts in the last minute he would give you 6. then you have guys like navarro, rodrigues, fernandes who cannot be overlooked, despite having played in the nba which fucks up their euroleague legacy
Teodosić won his only EL title because of Khryapa's tip-in after offensive rebound in 2016 Finals. And because Nando de Colo had a great game. Teodosić airballed 3-pointer in 2010 Semifinal, but Childress saved his a$$
Stats and records are cool and all, but you need the titles to match them. Until then, he's not even top 10.
not even top 20
When you combine Be Like Mike and King James, you of course get Mike James
Mike James can not be relied upon. Not even in the conversation for the Goat
Diamantidis, Spanoulis, James, Bodiroga have all played in Panathinaikos. This is impressive if you think about it.
true story and at the same time Diamanitidis, Spanoulis & Bodiroga took the Euroleague with Panathinaikos
Saras and Siskauskas also.
Jasikevicius as well
Spanoulis was a beast both in pao and olympiacos. He was the finals mvp in 2009 in a team full of stars. Then he moved to olympiacos in a very young team and won back to back titles. With him also Olympiacos made 2 appearances in finals 2015 2017. These finals took place in the home court of Real and Fener accordingly. He is in every stat line in the history of euroleague but i think that the reason why he is the goat is his mentality.
Honorable entries that didn't mentioned: Navaro, DeColo, Micic, Larkin, Vujicic, Siskauskas, Vesely, Sergi Rodrigues, Teodosic, Papaloukas
As a greek and a pao fan,i completely agree with vspan and diamantidis veing the candidates,but i gotta give the goat title to bodiroga.I mean the guy was consistently winning in every team he was in(including serbia national team)and i cant remember him having bad nights.Unstoppable at his time.Mike james should not be in the discussion in my opinion,but for he gets the most fun to watch player..p.s:navaro for honorable mention
Diamantidis was a very different breed of player, he did half of what he could do and still is in a GoAt conversation. Amazing player!
Bodiroga and there is no room for discussion about it
Where are Nando De Colo and Navarro?
Credit to Mike James, I loved him when he was playing in Vitoria for my team, Baskonia. But I think is delusional to even try to create a debate about him being the Euroleague GOAT because of the scoring record. He hasn´t even won a MVP or a Euroleague title, and I highly doubt even if he is a top 10 Euroleague guard of all time. He is not better than Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Navarro, Llull, Larkin, De Colo, Teodosic... Also, the scoring record in the competition needs big context. In the NBA, the record is more meaningful because they have played 82 game seasons for 70 years. Here, the record is highly influenced because of the number of games that the Euroleague has now a days. To put it in context, in the finnal seasons of the 2000s a Euroleague team could play a maximum of 21 games in total (10 games Group Stage, 6 games Top 6, a best of 3 playoff series and 2 games in the Final Four). Now a days, you have 34 Regular season games, a best of 5 playoff series and a Final Four, so around 40 games, almost double.
EDIT: Just watched the video. The fact that there´s not even a mention of Juan Carlos Navarro and that Mike James is named in the top 4 is just ridiculous. Not a single rational argument can defend that opinion.
GOAT: Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Bodiroga
Best Player: Bodiroga, Parker, Kirilenko
Best Scorer: Parker, Larkin, James
Best Defender: Kirilenko, Diamantidis, Hines
Best Creator: Calathes, Papaloukas, Diamantidis
Best Shooter: Carroll, Navaro, Vezenkov
Most Clutch: Lull, Spanoulis, Diamantidis
Fun to watch: Saras, Teodosic, Rodriguez
Honorable mentions: Micic, Mirotic, De Colo
James can't be considered yet the GOAT. He needs to win at least one Euroleague title and imo two just to be actually in the conversation.
He will get his first MVP most likely if Monaco finishes 2nd place this season. Counting stats are not that important. Longevity matters off course, but even the averages don't tell the whole truth.
The general rule is that we can't compare players or teams from different eras. Basketball changes slowly each year, but there are actual changes that lead to that. Bigger court plus more space because of better shooters, assists for foul shots, a lot more games, best europeans going to the NBA, etc.
i agree but in the creators you cant forget the first player in assists spanoulis and you can not say goat without saying tony kukoc and in honorable mentions is dominique wilkins macijauskas also in scorers
Tell me you are a PAO fan without telling me.... I can smell you guys from miles away.
You have to put DD in every category that spanoulis is in your post. Cause of course he is better than him in everything right??
Please can you explain why DD was better creator for example my sweet green rabbit?
@@Grimwish7
Yes because when they were in the same team Spanoulis was also a bench player. All the years in Panathinaikos Spanoulis was the 6th player but also in Greek national team Diamantidis Papaloukas and Chatzivretas were the starters. You can rewatch the games.Of course Spanoulis was a great player.He had great games and career.Nobody cant deny that.But if you have to choose one its not him.At least that what their coaches did.
@@stathisphangan Why PAO fans always lying?? Check the stats son. 2007-08 spanoulis had more points than Diamantidis. 2008-9 spanoulis has more points AND more assist than Diamantidis. AND HE WAS FINAL 4 MVP in 2009 euroleague title for PAO. Thats the reason he left in 2010 for OLY. He wanted to play more because he was better but your team was full of stars like Saras Drew Nickolas and DD. Diamantidis always had super players around him. Spanoulis won the titles with a bunch of kids.
And then this guy @mikesak7994 says DD was better creator than spanoulis despite the fact that Vasilis is No1 in assist in Euroleague AND GREEK league...HAHAHA PAO FANS STOP LYING
V-SPAN better player end of story
@@nthimosmauromatidis2231The first player in assists isn't Spanoulis, it is Calathes, but like I said we can't compare them just by counting stats or the averages, because the game is different. I am also taking into account that Calathes or Papaloukas aren't great shooters, making their job more difficult than the one of Spanoulis or James which are elite scorers that lead the defenses to get their attention so others could score from their assists.
To be honest I thought we were talking about modern Euroleague, that's why Dominique or Kukoc wasn't included on my lists. Macijauskas didn't have plenty of seasons like James and Larkin and I made an exception for Parker, because he was that great and impactful. The same goes for Kirilenko which I was debating with myself if I should have excluded him or not.
Diamantidis, Spanoulis, James, Sarunas, Siskaoskas and Bodiroga have played in Panathinaikos. That's why this team create beasts. Sarunas was almost benched when pana 2009 won the euroleague. Amazing team
Navarro definitively deserved an honorable mention as he was one of the most feared scorers of his era. Overall the goat convo for euroleague is super difficult and complicated and i think its important to take into account the supporting casts thses stars had as well. In my books Sarunas, Bodiroga and Spanoulis have the most powerful cases...
Spanoulis, no question. It's not only the titles and the mvps, it's that he lead a team of boys in 2012 and 2013 to win the euroleague. Papanikolaou, Sloukas, Mantzaris, even Printezis and Hines were almost nobodies in 2012 and together with average level players like Erceg, Gecevicious, Antic and Dorsey, Spanoulis won the Euroleague back to back. With his play (1st all time scorer and assister at his time) he turned players like Hines,Dundston, Hunter, Birtch, Milutinov into stars with multimillion contracts. Diamantidis is also a legend but he won everything with the highest budget teams, with star teamates. The same with Saras. It is not only how good a player is but the situations under he shines.
I am a Panathinaikos fan. My top-5 players from 2000 until now:
1. Dimitris Diamantidis
2. Dejan Bodiroga
3. Vasilis Spanoulis
4. Sarunas Jasikevicius
5. Carlos Navvaro
Leaving aside my love for Panathinaikos and trying to speak clearly with basketball criteria there is one reason why Diamantidis was better than Spanoulis.
Diamantidis was an extraordinary defender (one of the best ever in Europe) and a very good offensive player. Just remember the winning shot at the Eurobasket semi-finals in 2005. On the other hand, Spanoulis was a great offensive player (better than Diamantidis and one of the best of all times) but not a noteworthy defender. I mean that Dimitris was a more versatile player being good at both defense and offence. And don't forget what the great Kobe Bryant once said: "I wish I had on my team one player named Diamantidis".
You didn't liked AP antony parker😯
Great player indeed!!!! It's hard to pick only five. I think that Parker could also be in the 4 or 5 of my list!@@AR-yp8nh
Leaving aside my love for Panathinaikos and trying to speak clearly with basketball criteria....... Sure did that... ασε ρε μεγαλε πας καλα?
Yes you clearly left your love for PAO outside your post xD xD
Its funny how nobody mentions that Diamantidis was playing with the best teammates in Europe. Pao roster back then was the best by far.
Spanoulis won those titles alone. No spanoulis, no party, no title.
p.g Για αυτο οι Ευρωπαιοι τιμουν τον σπανουλη και τον βαζουν ΟΛΟΙ πανω απο τον Διαμαντιδη και μονο εσεις τα βαζελια θα λετε μια ζωη οτι ο DD ηταν καλυτερος.
Ηταν καλυτερος αμυντικος. Καλυτερος 2way player. Μεχρι εκει. Παραδεχτειτε επιτελους το μεγαλειο του Kill Bill
@@Grimwish7 παικτάρα ο kill bill αλλά θα έπαιρνα Διαμαντίδη γιατί πρόσφερε περισσότερα πράγματα που δεν φαινόντουσαν τόσο. Ήταν αρκετά πιο ολοκληρωμένος σαν guard, αλλά χειρότερος στο scoring.
Diamantidis was the most complete guard. Amazing defence, vision, clutch
And now Vasilis spanoulis is a pretty dominant coach too
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De Colo? 2 titles, 1 mvp, 1 finals mvp, almost got the all time scoring title, nevertheless 3rd and will become 2nd soon. Most PIR accumulated in eurloeague history
Nah, Mike James is nowhere close to the Goat.
1. Sex, droga Bodiroga
2. Spanoulis
3. Diamantidis
4. Segio Lull
5. Juan Carlos Navarro or Anthony Parker
Bro you always make the best videos from your channel . Always a logical question and results based on facts . Some may not agree with your choises but no one can say they are unsubstantiated ! Again always a great video . Only one advise/joke if can say . My neck is hearting from looking over my left shoulder if someone is coming :D !
The goat is diqmantidis. Other than the fact that along side teodosic he is the best playmaker he is also with spanoulis the most clucth.BUT he is also THE BEST defender. He was won the dpoy 6 times !!!(no other has more than 2). Also he has 2 f4 Mvps and 3 euroleagues
totally agree .. as coach Obradovic does //
Mike has 3 plus the current one, 4 years of future career. If he somehow manages to win not 1, but 2 titles, then yeah definitely he could be in the conversation. Without them, no.
I would mention Navaro as well but im fine with your list. My all time favourites are Diamantidis and Bodiroga but im PAO fun and im biased. However, the GREATEST Basketballer who has EVER walked on a European basketball court or ANY other court on planet Earth is called LUKA DONCIC. The GOAT! Keep up the great videos
I gave you the tumbs up until I read the second part.
Luka is not even the best player in the NBA.
He is really good, but he has to win titles to confirm it.
You cannot know that have not seen all decades
does someone know that mike james played in a random team in italy called paffoni omegna, which is a town of 14k people and is in the fourth italian league?
When Mike James will win an euroleague title, then he could join this conversation but right now Spanoulis, Juan Carlos Navarro and a lot of other guys are ahead of him
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv Okay Mike, lay off the burners. Win a title first...
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv we're talking about a player that can elevate his teams. The same reason why LeBron is the GOAT.
@@jekufoElevate his teams? Dude is 9 years in top teams and has played in only 2 final 4. LeBron has played in 10 finals
@@jekufono titles, no GOAT. Jordan is the goat, followed by Kobe
@@jekufolebron isn't top three. maybe further down.
Jordan, jabbar, bryant, magic, maybe then lebron. Curry is there for impact.
Lebron is more of a media king and builts good teams and destroys the franchise picks lol. Nothing more.
James is the closest to an NBA superstar/superscorer we can get in Euroleague - not because he is injured or on drugs or chased by the law, but because he is short. He is pure joy to observe. He does lack in titles and that counts, however I will add that he lacks in terms of attitude / persona too. Especially while younger, he was a bit controversial and not well respected.
The difference with Spanoulis is that Bill had global recognition and love. I remember fans of the opposing teams applauding him. Moreover, he was inspirational for his team mates and youngsters that looked up on him. You could hear stories about him and his obsession with basketball that bring Christiano Ronaldo and Kobe to mind (I think he was not as extreme as they were but still). Additionally, the 2 titles that he won with Olympiakos - especially the first one - were with low budget / fame team mates. Yes, you know Sloukas, Papanikolaou, Hines, Printezis, but who knew them at the time? I doubt you could have substituted Spanoulis with any other player and won those titles.
I believe he removed part of the stress from younger team mates because they all knew that when it mattered, when the ball burned, he would carry the team. This way, his team mates were able to play their game.
Moreover, and I cannot stress this enough, he was a monster at pick n roll. He has invented careers that did not exist for his center team mates. I was watching his games and i was like 'how does he pass the ball to the center so effortlessly?' and then when he stopped no one else could do it this well.
Finally, part of his legend was that he left an a-ma-zing, all star pao team, with the best coach, top class team mates in order to succeed on the biggest pao adversary olympiakos. Olympiakos at the time had a mediocre team that hadn't won greek championship or euroleague for ages. Well, he made it and that's a story by itself.
Mike James is borderline top 25, putting him on the Euroleague goat discussion is the worst take i have heard from this other than that great channel.
Saras, Parker, Siskauskas, Diamantidis, Batiste, Papaloukas, Navarro, Llull, Sergi, Spanoulis,Printezis,Baston, Bodiroga, De Colo were way more complete, impactful and successful on big games than James
Scola,Andersen,Smodis, Holden, Langdon, Larkin, Hines, Micic, Nicholas, Calathes, Vujcic, Teodosic, Nocionni are also higher than him but i agree it could be debatable for some reasons (years played in the league etc)
The best 2-way player ever, the best defender, passer and leader of his time combined with clutch shot making and numerous titles and accolades:
Dimitris 3D Diamantidis.
Toni Kukoc, only one with 3 times in row euroleague champion, 3 times final four MVP. only guy with 4 mister europa awards. World championship and eurobasket winner and MVP. Very underrated.
Talking about 2001 onwards..
i saw Panathinaikos, Real ,and Olympiakos teams on the video 2433 times lol 3D Diamantidis...omg i remember Diamantidis Spanoulis and Sarunas on the same team of Panathinaikos
greatest team ever assemled in the euroleague
and reminding that Coach Obradovic vouched for Diamantidis all the way ..
james is a gifted scorer no doudt but to my eyes even if he had 1 title,that alone cannot put him in goat conversations,he needs more like the others who are in the goat conversation
I am Panathinaikos fan. I had the chance to see most of these players playing for my team and winning championships. Mike James is my favorite Euroleage player since he was young, playing for Panathinaikos. The GOAT is Diamantidis, cause he is the definition of the captain. Always humble and always playing for the team. He never wanted fame and glory so he never focused on stats. Yet he is the most famous and most glorious among Panathinaikos fans. P.S. Antonis Fotsis is the most underated player ever. If not the best player in his position, surely top 3 players ever played in that position. I believe that he should be an honorble mention, althought he is not famous.
the goat at this moment of time is V Span hands down. its all good to make videos like this but all the basket community know this already.
😂😂😂
Even as a coach Bill is killing it. He won "best coach of the season" title on his second year as a coach.
Navaro? Teodosić?
Diamantidis was amazing, punished us so many times. No wonder Olympiakos rise in Greece came just after Diamantidis retired. From olympiakos fan :)
What are you talking about…back to back happened before diamantidis retirement…
After Diamantidis retirement olympiacos didn't win a title for 6 years lol
Hahahahaha top Olympiakos fan i see. Full of bullshit
true dat .. upvoting .. from a Panionios fan ! i would like to put Fanis and Galis in the discussion though ...
goats are defined by titles/awards. you cannot even be in the conversation without finals AND fmvp, end of story
Thanks for the video. Mike James should come and play for Olympiacos because his play will revive our team like Spanoulis is playing again and then he will win one and he will be No1 GOAT.
what makes someone GOAT is %80 character. So seeing him in the same picture with Spanoulis makes my stomach go up. I think you do it on purpose to make us angry? 🤣
whats spanoulis impact on defense ??
Mike James is still active and has a lot to offer/achieve in the following years. It’s still difficult though to reach the King: Vassilis Spanoulis 🐐
Guys i know he's not counted but Meneghin deserves his time under the spotlights.
Great player, Galis too ;)
@@infectedplus1 yea, absolutly. He gave Greece it's title in 87, being the best scorer and best player if i'm right. A basketball monster. Everybody speaks about Spanoulis and ignore before because it's "prehistoric" basketball, what a shame.
Do they do the same in Football for Maradona, Platini, Zico, Pelé, Beckenbauer and so many other greats from decades ago? Just don't count because the Champion's League was not the same formula (actual national champions and not billionaires' clubs favorised by UEFA to make it a closed league like the NBA).
Do they do the same in Rugby ? The Korac Cup existed, and it was a real thing !
If you are the best, you have to win something for the national team in your career.... Diamantidis i spanulis 🥇euro basket 2005. Sarunas J 🥇euro 2003. Navaro 🥇🥇 euro 2011,2009 🥇world cup 2006. Bodiroga 🥇🥇🥇euro 1995, 1997,2001 🥇🥇 world cup 1998,2002.
Could you do a Top 20 video? Would love to see that list
Wheres navarro?
many players can be in the list either amazing defenders or scorers but the goat is one and is spanoulis!he is the idol of the new generation that conquers nba and ofc spanoulis play is used around the world and that speaks volumes!thank you vspan for all you gave us
only one boss, Sasha Djordjevic
Ok mike James just answered for you guys. SPANOULIS IS THE EUROLEAGUE GOAT.
Bodiroga!!!🇷🇸❤
1) Spanoulis
2) Diamantidis
3) Bodiroga
4) James - - titles matter (ask... Karl Malone, John Stockton etc)
Theo Papaloukas should also be in the conversation, great seasons with CSKA and Olympiakos.
Keep wondering about these stats. Then I remember:
- 40min vs. 48min in the NBA
- it's a team sport in Euro
- actual defence played
Suddenly 16ppg sounds really good. 👌
The number of championships won factor is the least important one for such a discussion in euro basketball. The most important factor, the team's roster, is almost never decided by the player in question on euro teams. Also the Final 4 format favours surprises and most of the teams that became champions weren't the best one during the season. Instead we should look for how much that player influenced his team and in which way.
In Euroleague is very difficult to choose a goat. Its better to make a top3 or top5.
The only thing i'll say is that for spanoulis case you should remember that in the years of the back2back nobody knew who kyle hines was, and Sloukas, papanikolaou where kids. So if he wasnt there? No trophies!
Navarro, Spanoulis, Parker... maybe Bodiroga. Llull, Rudy
they didm't even mention navarro... or I skiped?
Bodiroga also in convo
I bet you're Spanish
the GOAT should be a 2 way player ..
ein Beitrag des Montages, 11. März 2024
Der mediale Fokus liegt meistens auf Luka Doncic.
die Notierten (49): Europa 27; Amerika 18; Asien 2; Afrika 1
Januar (3): Europa 2; Amerika 1
1966: Ergin Ataman (Istanbul)
1988: Alexander Tyus (Missouri)
1994: Vasilije Micić (Serbien)
Februar (6): Europa 4; Amerika 2
1973: Tyus Dwayne Edney (Staat Kalifornien)
1981: Andrei Gennadjewitsch Kirilenko (Udmurtien)
1987: Ante Tomić (Dubrovnik)
1989: Nicholas William Calathes (Florida)
1991: Nikola Mirotić Stajović (Geburt in Titograd)
1999: Luka Dončić (Laibach)
März (6): Europa 4; Amerika 1; Afrika 1
1960: Željko Obradović (Mittelserbien)
1973: Dejan Bodiroga (Mittelbanat)
1978: Igor Rakočević (Belgrad)
1982: Walter Samuel Tavares da Veiga (Kap Verde)
1987: Miloš Teodosić (Serbien)
1991: Facundo Campazzo (Argentinien)
April (4): Amerika 3; Europa 1
1974: Marcus James Brown (Arkansas)
1980: Lance Terrell McIntyre (Buenos Aires; in einem Herbst geboren)
1983: Devin Michael Smith (Delaware)
1990: Jan Veselý (Ostrau)
Mai (7): Europa 4; Amerika 3
1959: David Michael Blatt (Kentucky)
1973: Dejan Tomašević (Belgrad)
1976: Trajan Shaka Langdon (Staat Kalifornien)
1977: Theodoros Papaloukas (Griechenland)
1980: Dimitrios Diamantidis (Griechenland)
1986: Bryant Kevin Dunston jr. (Queens)
1988: Nemanja Bjelica (Belgrad)
Juni (3): Europa 2; Amerika 1
1975: Anthony Michael Parker (Iowa)
1980: Juan Carlos Navarro Feijoo (Südkatalonien)
1987: Nando Bruno Alfred Andre de Colo (Französisch Flandern)
Juli (2): Europa 1; Amerika 1
1977: Emanuel David Ginóbili Maccari (Argentinien)
1983: Nenad Krstić (Serbien)
August (3): Europa 2; Asien 1
1990: Michael Perry James (Oregon)
1992: Bogdan Bogdanović (Serbien)
1995: Aleksandar Wesenkow (Nikosia)
September (4): Europa 2; Amerika 2
1959: Ettore Messina (Sizilien)
1978: Ramūnas Šiškauskas (Litauen)
1983: Keith Langford (Texas)
1986: Kyle Tyrrell Hines (Philadelphia)
Oktober (5): Amerika 3; Europa 2
1943: Dušan Ivković (Belgrad; verstorben)
1971: Alphonso Gene Ford (Staat Mississippi)
1977: Lance Terrell McIntyre (Nordkarolinien)
1990: Stefan Jović (Serbien)
1992: Deshane Davis Larkin (Zinzinatti)
November (2): Europa 1; Asien 1
1951: Pinhas Jair Gershon (Tel Aviv)
1987: Sergio Llull Melià (Menorca)
Dezember: Europa 1
1988: Alexei Wiktorowitsch Schwed (Belgorod; ein deutschsprachiger Familienname)
welcher Geburtsmonat? (2): Europa 1; Amerika 1
Georgios Bartzokas (Griechenland)
Jeff Trepagnier (USA)
James is an excellent shooter and scorer in general BUT he has spend his career in second tier teams playing the hero and hogging the ball. When he plays well or when he is not properly defended they win, when he is not playing well they lose. All the others in this video played in highly competitive teams that had alternatives to "hero ball" thus time and attempts were shared better with their teamates. Spanoulis didn't even play that much in the 2012 final because he wasn't in the zone (at least early on) guess what Olympiacos closed the difference without him and when he returned to the game they won. James' teams rely so much on him and that's why he has these "crazy" stats.
I am Serbian and Bodiroga is my favorite player, but what Kill Bill did in his career is unmached for me he is the Goat.
THE IMPRESSIVE PHENOMENON IS THAT SPANOULIS, MIKE JAMES AND DIAMANTIDIS ALL EXPERIENCED GLORY DAYS WITH PANATHINAIKOS!THE BIGGEST TEAM OF EUROPE!
Imagine score tied, last two minutes of the final game, Spanoulis against Bodiroga, whom would you trust more to win the game?
That’s the real GOAT!
the GOAT is not abt scoring .. it's a 2 way game brother.
"In the NBA it's between Michael Jordan and LeBron James" Kobe, Wilt and Russell fans would disagree.
Bird is overall goat. If game creation, passing, rebounding, impact, clutch, etc taken into account. Russel is wins goat, Jordan is scoring goat, Kareem, Magic, Wilt
Jordan is a defensive goat too@@innosanto
@@innosantonope Lebron is. Bird isn’t even top 5
Dude, even Micic and Larkin deserved spot in front of Mike. Not to mention other legends that actually won something
A lot of guys can score, some guys can run the offence and see the floor real well, a lot can lock people down on D and know to space the floor on both ends, and a lot can throw excellent passes. Only ONE player in the era you are talking about could do all of that combined, at will, and he chose to always play for the team, never stat padding, never wanting to take the spotlight unless he had to, always delivering every night. Until he got badly injured in 2009 which took away his side stepping on D, he won DPOY 5 seasons in a row. Dimitris Diamantidis is the GOAT of the Euroleague, no doubt about it.
Also, as to the video topic and question, Vassilis Spanoulis is the EuroLeague GOAT.
Those who understand basketball, choose Diamantidis. Best defender, best passer, smartest player, best creator and of course, one of the clutchest players. He was everywhere in the court and everything in the court. He wasn't the best scorer but he was good enough. He just had everything. If he was playing in shooting gaurd position he would be the best scorer as well.
Nooooo f@cking way...
He is just the 1st scorer...
You can't be the Euroleague GOAT with no Euroleague titles,F4 MVPs and leadership games in playoffs and F4s...
Mike James is a great player but has nothing from these above...
Spanoulis on the other hand has 3 Euroleague titles, 3 F4 MVPs and many many leadership games in playoffs and F4s...
And additionally he was at the same time 1st at points,assists and PIR....
Magical things from the GOAT of Euroleague!
I am PAO fan, for me Bodiroga is undoubtedly the GOAT. He was the Doncic of his time. As a PAO fan of course my second choice is Diamantidis. Also, I think Navaro was worth a mention.
For me the top three is
1. Spanoulis
2. Diamantidis
3.Bodiroga
And I wouldn't be offended if anyone else has these 3 in any particular order since I think it's very close between them all and all 3 have much different playstyles
Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Bodiroga, Jasikevicius
Honourable mentions: Papaloukas, llull navarro hines
I don’t know who is the European GOAT but Diamantidis was for me the most complete player.
And I am Olympiacos fan…
great mike james biut spanoulis has 3 or 4 euroleague titles?
Dimitris without any hesitation. In his bad games averages a PIR 6-7. In Spanoulis bad games you could see a -10 PIR (a lot of turnovers and missing shoots)
And if we consider Obradovic is the greatest coach of europe... we know who he preffered between Dimitris and Vasilis.....Dimitris without any hesitation...
For me the Euroleague goat is Diamantidis and close second is Spanoulis. Spanoulis has one more f4mvp but Diamantidis has 6 dpoy awards to close the difference. I am very grateful that I had the opportunity to enjoy both of them dominating the league
Diamantidis every day and twice on Sundays
Parker, Bodiroga, Diamantidis, Kill Bill, Navarro
When they asked Kobe Bryant about which european player he would like to have in his team, he said Diamantidis….
enough said
Players like Mike James in Euroleague or like Harden or Westbrook in NBA can't be in serious conversation for any kind of GOAT stories.
Let's not do all this legacy "who's the GOAT" BS that the NBA does. I quit watching NBA Basketball partly for this reason.
Just getting into Euroleague a little and I'm hoping will be reminiscent of the NBA Basketball I used to enjoy in the 90s.
To elaborate on diamantidis' clutch ability: "VALTO AGORI MOY" i rest my case
I m olympiakos fun, i can guarantee that Diamantides was a legendary player. But Spanoulis will be forever the King of Euroleague
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv you are tripping man, all of his stats can't even match one of the 3 titles spanoulis has
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv yes he clearly had better teamates in 2012 and 2013 when he won the Euroleague back to back against teams with 5x the budget of olympiacos, playing with 19-20 years old kiddos...
coach Obradovic can eply to this : it should be a 2 way player to make the GOAT ! 3D is the one. VSPAN is the greatest offensive along with Navarro (as a talent Mike is there , but no tiltes) ..
Bro come on 😂 Bill is miiiiiles ahead. Mike James has to pass Navarro, Diamantidis, Bodiroga or even Jasikevicius
Diamantidis is the goat of euroleague, no doubt about it. Span and James might be the best offensive players/ scorers. Diamantidis had balance in defence and offence , clutch player, leadership, assists, captain, 6times best euroleague defender and rarely made a bad choice, mistake unlike Spanoulis and James. Spanoulis defence was bad, James decisions were pour sometimes. Could be compare diama with dejan tbh
All mentioned players played for pana .
This shows the greatness of this team. Best European team by far
2 Greeks in top 4🇬🇷🇬🇷
Jasikevičius > Mike. He won 3 in a row. Bodiroga didn't invented Shammgod/El Latigo, but he perfected it. It was used back in the 80s by Danko Cvjetićanin. Danilović also used it since the early 90s.
Jaskevicius Diamantidis Spanoulis and many many more on top of him
Where is navarro?
he is polishing galis shoes , no time for that
1) Kill Bill
2) 3D
3) La Bomba Navarro
4) Sex, Droga, Bodiroga
5) Mike James
no
guys you have a reputation to maintain. stop stupid clickbait and troll questions.
mike james is not even in the top 20.
Do some story og Predrag Danilović