By God of War III, he pretty much is a villain. It just so happens that the antagonists are just as shitty as he is (Technically Kratos’s fault for opening Pandora’s Box and corrupting them) The new God of War actually managed to turn Kratos into more of a “hero” by simply allowing him to accept that he’s a monster, and try to change things for the better
DoctaDaKing in consideration of Pandora's Box, Kratos became consumed by it as well by going mad with Revenge. Zeus being fear and Athena with Greed. I think when Kratos gained the power of hope he changed his mind killing Pandora which was the first time in the game he chose to not sacrifice someone to further his vengeance.
lucifers gameroom He was, but at the same time, he wasn't. He was because he "saved" Olympus in GOW 3. He wasn't because he killed EVERYONE in Olympus. That isn't an exaggeration. He kills every living person in Olympus. But he only did that because Ares had him kill his wife and daughter in blind rage. And, to be fair, everyone else attacks him first.
If I was Joel, I would've probably done the same thing. Why would I sacrifice the closest thing to a daughter I have for a world that doesn't give a shit and where humans murder each other day by day?
Bruce Snow so the military and bandits are the vast majority apparently? What about Ish and his community, or fucking your brother's community?! In fact I'm sure it would lead to less banditry and military oppression if you can literally stop further zombies from existing and finally be able to rebuild.
It would be like the Dead Rising universe if they found the cure, poor people would remain zombies because they can’t afford it Edit: I forgot that it’s cordyceps, I don’t think a disease like that can be controlled, not even by the government.
I would do it, if only for the possibility for a future where life isn't full of murder, violence, hunger and rape. I'd do it so that there's a civilized life, worth living again, even if I'm only there to see it for a short number of years.
I love how The Last of Us paints Joel as an objectively shitty person. And having the game end with Ellie and Joel’s relationship strained and built on a lie was a great way to end it. Last of Us 2 better further develop this.
There is no good or bad in that world. Theres just wants and loss and joel had enough loss to last a lifetime. Also i highly doubt a immunity to the cordicept would of done anything, seeing how humanity devolved into what they are. I was perfectly ok with what he did but thats just me.
Ghost Uchiha well it's honestly fucked up because their innocent and Ellie 100% would have sacrificed herself to save the world, meaning your literally killing innocent people begging for their lives and dooming humanity for extremely selfish reasons
1. While a similar event happened in Haiti, neither Shay nor the other members of the Colonial Brotherhood knew what these artifacts did. 2. Knowing that the Assassins would seek more sites, he sought to make sure that no other people were killed by stealing the Manuscript, and also atoning for his actions. 3. NONE of Shay's fellow Assassins even listened to his warning, which led to his turn to the Templars. The Assassins were also revealed to have poisonous gases. Though their intended use was against the British, the gas could harm other civilians.
In regards to #1 (which everyone should see coming), put yourself in Kratos' shoes. Let's see how many times the gods have fucked him over: 1. Ares and Athena kidnap his brother Deimos for the death god Thanatos, who in turn tortures him for years. 2. Ares manipulates Kratos into killing his wife Lysandra and daughter Calliope. 3. The Furies torture Kratos into returning to Ares' service so the god of war can help him take down Olympus. 4. Persephone tricks Kratos into giving up his powers to be with his daughter before revealing her plan to destroy Olympus, the world, and the Underworld, which results in Kratos killing innocent souls of Elysium to regain his powers and in him never being able to see his daughter again. 5. The gods refuse to grant Kratos' wish to remove his nightmares, despite him explicitly stating that was the reason for his decade of service to them. 6. The gods attempt to stop Kratos from getting any information that would lead to Deimos. 7. Zeus tricks Kratos into draining his godly power into the Blade of Olympus, then kills him. 8. Athena stops Kratos from killing Zeus, even jumping in front of his attack. I could go into the 2018 game, but I will not to avoid spoiling those who have not yet played it. GO BUY IT!!! It's a system seller.
Except the Assassins wouldn’t harm civilians. First tenet of the Assassin’s Creed: Stay your blade from the flesh of the innocent. In other words, Assassins can’t kill civilians.
@@slayer45670 exept fuck every body else out of staying alive. But ya know. We wouldn't of gotten a second game so I'm just happy that she's still alive and got a second game.
Good vid but idk about Joel and Kratos being on the list. They were protagonists but definitely not heroes. Everything they’ve done were solely for their own benefit and they rarely cared about anything else. Sure they got better over time but there’s still a lot of blood on their hands
You’re right about Joel. He’s absolutely not a hero. In fact, there’s enough evidence to objectively label him the villain. The only reason thing that keeps him from villain-status in people’s minds is that he’s the playable character. Kratos on the other hand isn’t a traditional hero by any means (he’s way more villainous than Joel ever was) but he does fit the traditional Greek “Tragic Hero.”
Whelp, not only did y'all misspell 'Damning' in the #2 spot on the list, but you're also 100% incorrect about the point in general. Ellie physically cannot be the only person born with an immunity in her generation. That would mean that humanity was already fucked anyway. If there was one person, just one, who had the key to salvation from an apocalypse-causing fungal infection that made the species jump from small insects and animals to humans (Cordyceps fungus is a real thing for those who didn't know, can't imagine that's a lot by this point, but there you are), then there wouldn't be enough of their genetic coding to salvage (in blood or brain matter) to make vaccines for the entire species. I've said this point before, but I'll sum it up here: Ellie's blood, not her brain, holds the key to the vaccine, because she did not undergo the typical process of events when she was bitten. The infection was halted in her bloodstream before it could amplify through the rest of her body, spinal column, and brain stem. Ergo, killing her to harvest her brain for the cure wasn't going to work in the first place. The larger point is that she is not the only one, but a trend in evolution that has sprung up to ensure the survival of the species. There HAVE to be more people from her generation born with the same immunity, or those from future generations will have them, but she cannot be the sole person immune on the entire planet. Logistically speaking, it's impossible. Otherwise, humanity would die out anyway from lack of a cure and, more importantly, lack of a hope to survive BECAUSE of the lack of a cure.
I think Joel may have made the right call in The Last of Us. If you listen to one of the audio diaries in the game, a doctor admits that all previous attempts to make a vaccine failed. They used people who had the same condition as Ellie and the scientists were unable to succeed in every trial.
Mario grinding Luigi's shoe in Mario Power Tennis. Yes, I know it's called sibling rivalry and I did see what happened in Koopa's celebration, but still.
there’s something a lot of people missed in the last of us. theres a transcript in the hospital that tells you ellie was not the only immune! there had been previous failed attempts and she wouldve faced certain death against uncertain odds. i think joel did the right thing in saving her. i wish he didnt have to go through all the fireflies to do it, but hey u gotta do what u gotta do.
Joel never claimed to be any kind of hero, he’s just a man trying to survive in a horrible world, I don’t think he really belongs in this list. The Last of Us tells the story of humanity, not the story of heroics. I don’t know a single friend who played the Last of Us and wasn’t absolutely on board with saving Ellie no matter the cost. This game isn’t about saving humanity, it was about explaining it. Everyone knows it’s wrong but it shows you what people are willing to do.
One honorable mention should go to Shujinko for aiding the Dragon King in his quest for power. In MK: Deception, he was tricked by Onaga into believing he'd been working towards a greater good when he was really giving evil the power it needed to destroy the world, and he'd been doing it none the wiser for 40+ years. Interestingly, Shujinko in Japanese translates to "protagonist" or "hero". Ironic as the end of his quest yielded nothing that people would call heroic in the slightest.
2:37 When that guy told Booker to shut down the machine before disappearing, it reminded me of one of those heroic sacrifices in Call of Duty. (Disclaimer: I've never played Call of Duty or BioShock: Infinite)
Create a vaccine to save what it left of the human or save the life of a child instead? Me: *Kill her already* .... Procceded to play TLoU... Create a vaccine to save what it left of the human or save Ellie's life? Me: *I'm gonna get out of her girl. I gotta you*
honourable mentions should include: forging the one-earth regime in the very first place (superman in injustice: gods among us), ditching donald and goofy to desperatly save naminé (sora in kh: chain of memories), ignoring master eraqus's warnings (terra in kh: birth by sleep), killing either only galeem or dharkon (all heroes and villains in super smash bros. ultimate), using the venom costume WAY too many times (spidey in spiderman: web of shadows), trying to fight "ada" recklessly (chis redfield in resident evil 6), becoming maleficent's sidekick (riku in the first kingdom hearts game) and leaving batman (batman: arkham city)
I’m pretty sure Joel wouldn’t have been damning humanity. Wasn’t it mentioned in the game that several immune folk had already been through the same procedure and it never worked? Ellie wouldn’t have made a difference.
@@akhilgigu That has nothing to do with what I said. When did I ever mention Kratos, Joel, or Mercer in my previous comment? We're talking about Grand Theft Auto and neither one of those character's have anything related to it whatsoever
@@akhilgigu Again what does that have to do with anything? Just because it's optional doesn't mean that it isn't cruel. While there are characters on the list that aren't hero's. (Don't blame me I didn't make the video.) Putting any GTA character wouldn't make sense even if it's optional your still a criminal when it comes down to it.
5:27 The Metroid species was being used by the Space Pirates as a weapon. The decision was made to wipe them out to prevent that and they were deemed too dangerous. No one even knew about the X Parasite.
People need to realize this about Joel and Ellie situation. Regardless if the cure worked or not. Humanity would never be the same and who's to say what the Fireflies would do with the cure. I doubt they would distribute it to everyone they're not good people. The answer is not always so clear especially in the scenario and world Joel is in. It's not always black and white but more grey, especially in this case.
I believe Joel did the right thing, saving Ellie from the fireflies and taking everything away from the world cause the world took his daughter away from him. and Btw I think the world would've stopped believing in a cure I mean it's been 20yrs the apocalypse has been going on for.
Shay didn’t know that the artefact was gonna cause an earthquake, then he discovered that the branch of assassins he was apart of were criminals, so that’s why he joined the Templars.
Where's the decision, in Heavy Rain, on choosing to murder the Drug Dealer? In Heavy Rain, you literally have choose to flat-out murder the Drug Dealer as: 1) begs for his life, and 2) points out that fact that he's dealing drugs to help support his two young daughters, even showing you a photo of them. You only want to save Shaun from a serial killer, and you have to actively choose to murder a man that also has kids that will likely find out their father was brutally murdered. You don't have to murder the Drug Dealer if you want to save Shaun in the end, especially making the murder completely cruel and pointless.
Why didn’t Zelda from OoT make this list? She sends Link back as a child to an alternate timeline for no reason other than to ‘give him his childhood back’, which screws up the timeline that he left, leaving no hero to defend it, Ganons eventual release from the seal and resulting in Wind Waker (flooding of Hyrule) Link on the other side of the timeline that he was sent back to also dies alone and full of regrets due to not being remembered for his achievements, eventually becoming the Heroes Shade from Twilight Princess. All thanks to Zelda sending him back. ‘Give him back his childhood’ led to nothing but misery for him. Zelda in OoT screwed up EVERYTHING in TWO TIMELINES
To be fair, the Metroids needed to be kept in check. Samus Returns shows the events that led up to Metroids taking over their planet. And to top it off, the space pirates were going to use the Metroids as a weapon. Yes, it brought back the X-Parasites, but I think the remaining SA-X could make a return for a future game as an ally of Samus.
Actually he's a anti hero so yeah. By the way the gods were never good people, heck even before pandora's box was opened they stole kratos' brother and had him tortured. They even made kratos mother keep the secret of their family. And after the box was opened they just got worse by turning his mother into a monster, being abusive to their love ones and by humiliating and beating one of their own.
Joel is no hero, he’s a survivor. He somebody who survive 20 years into the apocalypse because he’s not afraid to do the hard things and live with the consequences.
Joel did doom humanity because the recording didn't say anything about the previous test subjects being immune, Ellie was the only immune individual the fireflies came across so there was a chance for a cure.
mojo most of these wrong things were done by either: 1: a hero with lack of people skills which in turns kills a loved one which comes back to haunt his sin in silent hill. 2: a hero which turn out to be a villain breeding a new species. 3: a hero in a mountain of debt which results in selling his daughter. 4: a hero retrieving a peice of eden triggering an earthquake killing thousands in its wake. 5: a hero slaughtering a sleeping town out of desperation. 6: a hero (or heroine) who is truly genocidal underneath armor for wiping out entire planets and alien species. 7: a hero who turns just another soldier annihilating countless civilians in his duty. 8: a hero who does not think twice murdering towering yet innocent creatures to save one girl. 9: a hero who damns all of humanity to save a new daughter from a lost one in the outbreak of a post-zombie apocalyptic world. or 10: a hero which turns out the destroyer of worlds with the power to bring death upon the gods.
How about this for a list: "Top 10 Stupidest Video Game Choices We Were Forced To Make". Basically, stupid actions in video games that we had to make or else the plot wouldn't move forward. Examples: Giving Heath the Yellow Gem (Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia): Heath's hostage is in no danger beyond being bound and flat out tells you not to hand over the Yellow Gem. However, listening to him and not giving Heath the Gem results in Heath mocking you and the game makes you hand it over. Getting Phoenix Disbarred (Apollo Justice): In the flashback case, you have to have Phoenix present faulty evidence while well aware it will ruin his career.
Joel didn't do something bad. He did justice by preventing Ellie's surgery. He made justice and raised a big middle finger to the world. On 2013, the world took Joel's daughter away from him. Now, on 2033, Joel takes the world's daughter by rescuing Ellie. I think he did something heroic, worst at the same time, but heroic.
To be fair to Joel and The Last of Us, it was said that Ellie could help develop a VACCINE, not a cure. Not saying that Joel's actions are completely heroic, but that distinction is lost on WatchMojo for some reason 🤨
Shay's earthquake was an expected and accepted result hunting pieces of Eden, painting the assassins in a very bad light. sure he got a little hotheaded, but he could not stand by and let them make the same sacrifice again. He did what he believed was best for the sake of all humanity, even if he had to betray his friends. this intentionality and makes him a hero, and he is only a villain when put against the context of having previously been on the other side, as players.
Sadly, Kratos lived long enough to see himself become the villain. Not because of what he's done to the Gods, but rather those who didn't even pick a fight with him.
Im a huge God of war fan but to say Kratos is a hero is a huge overstatement depending on how you view him and his actions
Cake Knight He is at best an anti-hero and at worst a villain protagonist. At least in the original games
By God of War III, he pretty much is a villain. It just so happens that the antagonists are just as shitty as he is (Technically Kratos’s fault for opening Pandora’s Box and corrupting them)
The new God of War actually managed to turn Kratos into more of a “hero” by simply allowing him to accept that he’s a monster, and try to change things for the better
DoctaDaKing in consideration of Pandora's Box, Kratos became consumed by it as well by going mad with Revenge. Zeus being fear and Athena with Greed. I think when Kratos gained the power of hope he changed his mind killing Pandora which was the first time in the game he chose to not sacrifice someone to further his vengeance.
@@DoctaDaKing It's the God's fault for tasking him to kill Ares with the use of Pandoras Box
griz312 Kratos wasn’t affected by the evils contained within Pandora’s box, as he was given the power of hope. He was just naturally a prick
I guess Mario letting Yoshi die every game its worse
Saiserk Its even worse cause Mario don't let Yoshi die, he practically kills him directly xD
Mario doesn't kill Yoshi.The players do.
Wait... '_'
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Salinero, he does??? I thought Mario just lets Yoshi fall in a hole but then again, why does Yoshi run towards the hole when he gets hit????
@@Raph___A lmao xD
Niko didn't go bowling with his cousin
Roman was just annoying
Facts! Lmao
only if you killed him
Hahaha so stupid 😂
Callie putting the hypnoshades back on.
I'm a simple man...
I watch Joel carrying Ellie in his arms. I click
Franz same!! That's why I clicked!
Me... too.
You excited to play that sequel
@@joeysalads9486 I'm ready to watch a gameplay and buy it 5 years after its release. Hope it isn't disappointing
Well... kratos wasn't really a hero
lucifers gameroom He was, but at the same time, he wasn't. He was because he "saved" Olympus in GOW 3. He wasn't because he killed EVERYONE in Olympus. That isn't an exaggeration. He kills every living person in Olympus. But he only did that because Ares had him kill his wife and daughter in blind rage. And, to be fair, everyone else attacks him first.
Anti hero maybe, well after all it's Zeus fault because he afraid with a prophecy 😏
Infamous is the word I would use
@@ekopermana7150 Yep.
He is an anti hero
If I was Joel, I would've probably done the same thing. Why would I sacrifice the closest thing to a daughter I have for a world that doesn't give a shit and where humans murder each other day by day?
that's true humanity doesn't deserve a second chance we kill, rape, steal, lie and done a whole worst things to our planet
Bruce Snow so the military and bandits are the vast majority apparently? What about Ish and his community, or fucking your brother's community?! In fact I'm sure it would lead to less banditry and military oppression if you can literally stop further zombies from existing and finally be able to rebuild.
Rabbidluigi would TOTALLY disagree with you.
It would be like the Dead Rising universe if they found the cure, poor people would remain zombies because they can’t afford it
Edit: I forgot that it’s cordyceps, I don’t think a disease like that can be controlled, not even by the government.
I would do it, if only for the possibility for a future where life isn't full of murder, violence, hunger and rape. I'd do it so that there's a civilized life, worth living again, even if I'm only there to see it for a short number of years.
I love how The Last of Us paints Joel as an objectively shitty person. And having the game end with Ellie and Joel’s relationship strained and built on a lie was a great way to end it.
Last of Us 2 better further develop this.
There is no good or bad in that world. Theres just wants and loss and joel had enough loss to last a lifetime. Also i highly doubt a immunity to the cordicept would of done anything, seeing how humanity devolved into what they are. I was perfectly ok with what he did but thats just me.
Joel is dead tho
how is he dead? he appeared in the trailer in the second game...
Well...Kratos also has no one at all, he had everything stolen from him(i mean it was his fault too...😑😑)
@@dollmaker6599 he was beat to death with a golf club and died and those were flash backs in the trailer
Am I the only one who killed the doctor and the nurses in The Last Of Us ? Like you don't touch Ellie whoever you are.
No
I did too. I didn't know you don't have to kill them lul
I think I shot one cause he kept talking
Looking back at it that was fucked up🤣he was just tryna protect humanity
Ghost Uchiha well it's honestly fucked up because their innocent and Ellie 100% would have sacrificed herself to save the world, meaning your literally killing innocent people begging for their lives and dooming humanity for extremely selfish reasons
1. While a similar event happened in Haiti, neither Shay nor the other members of the Colonial Brotherhood knew what these artifacts did.
2. Knowing that the Assassins would seek more sites, he sought to make sure that no other people were killed by stealing the Manuscript, and also atoning for his actions.
3. NONE of Shay's fellow Assassins even listened to his warning, which led to his turn to the Templars. The Assassins were also revealed to have poisonous gases. Though their intended use was against the British, the gas could harm other civilians.
In regards to #1 (which everyone should see coming), put yourself in Kratos' shoes. Let's see how many times the gods have fucked him over:
1. Ares and Athena kidnap his brother Deimos for the death god Thanatos, who in turn tortures him for years.
2. Ares manipulates Kratos into killing his wife Lysandra and daughter Calliope.
3. The Furies torture Kratos into returning to Ares' service so the god of war can help him take down Olympus.
4. Persephone tricks Kratos into giving up his powers to be with his daughter before revealing her plan to destroy Olympus, the world, and the Underworld, which results in Kratos killing innocent souls of Elysium to regain his powers and in him never being able to see his daughter again.
5. The gods refuse to grant Kratos' wish to remove his nightmares, despite him explicitly stating that was the reason for his decade of service to them.
6. The gods attempt to stop Kratos from getting any information that would lead to Deimos.
7. Zeus tricks Kratos into draining his godly power into the Blade of Olympus, then kills him.
8. Athena stops Kratos from killing Zeus, even jumping in front of his attack.
I could go into the 2018 game, but I will not to avoid spoiling those who have not yet played it. GO BUY IT!!! It's a system seller.
Exactly my thoughts. I went full "SERIOUSLY GUYS?" when I saw his name showing up.
its like they didn't play the game.
Except the Assassins wouldn’t harm civilians. First tenet of the Assassin’s Creed: Stay your blade from the flesh of the innocent. In other words, Assassins can’t kill civilians.
The top members of the Brotherhood had an _idea_ of what would happen. They wanted to see if they could repeat what happened in Hati.
I'm no hero......never was......never will be......
Yeah boi
Who's else went straight down comments section ??? LOL
Can't be the only one🤔
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There is only 4 comments right now though
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Kratos is not a hero!!
Maybe an *antihero* but certainly not a hero.
same with joel as well
I think the more proper title for this video is "Top 10 Worst Things Done by Video Game PROTAGONISTS" instead of HEROES.
Anti-Heroes count as heroes.
Edit: Assuming if the anti-hero's enemy is worse than him/her and Zeus is certainly a bigger asshole than Kratos.
Letting Princess Peach suffer for being kidnapped from Bowser from more than 30 years.
Here's one.... Basically everything Raiden did in Mortal Kombat 2011.
I see Joel and Ellie I Click
I completely agree with the thumbnail
A very selfish thing to do but I don't blame him.
he did no wrong
@@slayer45670 exept fuck every body else out of staying alive. But ya know. We wouldn't of gotten a second game so I'm just happy that she's still alive and got a second game.
Any one else hyped for the last of us 2?
The master Of Marvel it was a shit game for pedophiles who wants to fuck Ellie
I think most gamers are going for Resident Evil 2 and Days Gone.
El Cisco Kid
Wrong
Slick Jester You think LOU2 will beat Resident Evil 2???? That I have to see!
El Cisco Kid
By a mile.
Good vid but idk about Joel and Kratos being on the list. They were protagonists but definitely not heroes. Everything they’ve done were solely for their own benefit and they rarely cared about anything else. Sure they got better over time but there’s still a lot of blood on their hands
You’re right about Joel. He’s absolutely not a hero. In fact, there’s enough evidence to objectively label him the villain. The only reason thing that keeps him from villain-status in people’s minds is that he’s the playable character.
Kratos on the other hand isn’t a traditional hero by any means (he’s way more villainous than Joel ever was) but he does fit the traditional Greek “Tragic Hero.”
DoctaDaKing. Plus, while Joel got better, Kratos got worse.
Smashster 1
Eh, Joel got better right up until the very end.
Kratos, ironically, has recently gotten better with the new installment.
DoctaDaKing. Ok, pre-PS4 Kratos got worse.
Smashster 1 Absolutely
You forgot every despicable deed done by Patroklos from Soulcalibur 5!
That's because Patroklos is not a hero he to much of dick.
To his defense, he was deceived by Graf Dumas, who is in fact, Nightmare and later Elysium. He starts making amends when he finds out.
Whelp, not only did y'all misspell 'Damning' in the #2 spot on the list, but you're also 100% incorrect about the point in general. Ellie physically cannot be the only person born with an immunity in her generation. That would mean that humanity was already fucked anyway. If there was one person, just one, who had the key to salvation from an apocalypse-causing fungal infection that made the species jump from small insects and animals to humans (Cordyceps fungus is a real thing for those who didn't know, can't imagine that's a lot by this point, but there you are), then there wouldn't be enough of their genetic coding to salvage (in blood or brain matter) to make vaccines for the entire species. I've said this point before, but I'll sum it up here: Ellie's blood, not her brain, holds the key to the vaccine, because she did not undergo the typical process of events when she was bitten. The infection was halted in her bloodstream before it could amplify through the rest of her body, spinal column, and brain stem. Ergo, killing her to harvest her brain for the cure wasn't going to work in the first place. The larger point is that she is not the only one, but a trend in evolution that has sprung up to ensure the survival of the species. There HAVE to be more people from her generation born with the same immunity, or those from future generations will have them, but she cannot be the sole person immune on the entire planet. Logistically speaking, it's impossible. Otherwise, humanity would die out anyway from lack of a cure and, more importantly, lack of a hope to survive BECAUSE of the lack of a cure.
spec ops the line still gives me chill even until now..
I think Joel may have made the right call in The Last of Us. If you listen to one of the audio diaries in the game, a doctor admits that all previous attempts to make a vaccine failed. They used people who had the same condition as Ellie and the scientists were unable to succeed in every trial.
That is not true stop, spouting nonsense.
Incorrect. Ellie was the first human they came across that was immune. They tried to replicate it by infecting primates.
"Do you feel like a hero yet?"
blowing up a mass relay killing thousands of batarians to delay the reapers
Mario grinding Luigi's shoe in Mario Power Tennis.
Yes, I know it's called sibling rivalry and I did see what happened in Koopa's celebration, but still.
there’s something a lot of people missed in the last of us. theres a transcript in the hospital that tells you ellie was not the only immune! there had been previous failed attempts and she wouldve faced certain death against uncertain odds. i think joel did the right thing in saving her. i wish he didnt have to go through all the fireflies to do it, but hey u gotta do what u gotta do.
Simply existing or being a hero the life of a protagonist makes the other characters lives in danger
Man, leave my boy Troy Baker out of this! He's a good man!
Of course he is but his characters are very complex so you can't decide if they're good or bads
Joel never claimed to be any kind of hero, he’s just a man trying to survive in a horrible world, I don’t think he really belongs in this list. The Last of Us tells the story of humanity, not the story of heroics. I don’t know a single friend who played the Last of Us and wasn’t absolutely on board with saving Ellie no matter the cost. This game isn’t about saving humanity, it was about explaining it. Everyone knows it’s wrong but it shows you what people are willing to do.
Carl Johnson-burying a construction foreman alive in cement
Borderlands!
You kill jack's daughter and betray him TWICE.
In borderlands 2 you are the reason why he wants to kill everyone on the planet
Didn’t follow the damn train and pick the wrong house
CJ
One honorable mention should go to Shujinko for aiding the Dragon King in his quest for power. In MK: Deception, he was tricked by Onaga into believing he'd been working towards a greater good when he was really giving evil the power it needed to destroy the world, and he'd been doing it none the wiser for 40+ years. Interestingly, Shujinko in Japanese translates to "protagonist" or "hero". Ironic as the end of his quest yielded nothing that people would call heroic in the slightest.
>Samus Aren
>HE'S the soft spoken hero.
Oh, you.
Spec Ops: The Line is my favourite game of all time. It really should be be remastered
*God Of War Is One Of My Favorite Series* 💗💗💗💗💗
2:37
When that guy told Booker to shut down the machine before disappearing, it reminded me of one of those heroic sacrifices in Call of Duty.
(Disclaimer: I've never played Call of Duty or BioShock: Infinite)
Create a vaccine to save what it left of the human or save the life of a child instead?
Me: *Kill her already*
....
Procceded to play TLoU...
Create a vaccine to save what it left of the human or save Ellie's life?
Me: *I'm gonna get out of her girl. I gotta you*
honourable mentions should include: forging the one-earth regime in the very first place (superman in injustice: gods among us), ditching donald and goofy to desperatly save naminé (sora in kh: chain of memories), ignoring master eraqus's warnings (terra in kh: birth by sleep), killing either only galeem or dharkon (all heroes and villains in super smash bros. ultimate), using the venom costume WAY too many times (spidey in spiderman: web of shadows), trying to fight "ada" recklessly (chis redfield in resident evil 6), becoming maleficent's sidekick (riku in the first kingdom hearts game) and leaving batman (batman: arkham city)
Protagonist is the word you're looking for not heroes
Not all protagonists is a hero.
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I’m pretty sure Joel wouldn’t have been damning humanity. Wasn’t it mentioned in the game that several immune folk had already been through the same procedure and it never worked? Ellie wouldn’t have made a difference.
Jimmy Hopkins from Bully: Making a gravity which said: "Jimmy waz here" in the bell tower and got hated by everyone and got expelled.
L.A. Noire: During a flashback, Cole Phelps orders a cave be set on fire, not realizing it was a makeshift hospital, resulting in dead civilians.
Kratos ain't no hero.....
GTA V.
If you decided to kill Michael
Your not a hero in GTA your a criminal
@@marvelousmehki Is Kratos A Hero? Or Joel? Or Alex Mercer? They Only Thought About Themselves. Resulting Everything Getting Fucked Up.
@@akhilgigu That has nothing to do with what I said. When did I ever mention Kratos, Joel, or Mercer in my previous comment? We're talking about Grand Theft Auto and neither one of those character's have anything related to it whatsoever
But Killing Micheal Is Optional. While All The Character's Choices in This Vid Are Not.
@@akhilgigu Again what does that have to do with anything? Just because it's optional doesn't mean that it isn't cruel. While there are characters on the list that aren't hero's. (Don't blame me I didn't make the video.) Putting any GTA character wouldn't make sense even if it's optional your still a criminal when it comes down to it.
5:27 The Metroid species was being used by the Space Pirates as a weapon. The decision was made to wipe them out to prevent that and they were deemed too dangerous. No one even knew about the X Parasite.
People need to realize this about Joel and Ellie situation. Regardless if the cure worked or not. Humanity would never be the same and who's to say what the Fireflies would do with the cure. I doubt they would distribute it to everyone they're not good people. The answer is not always so clear especially in the scenario and world Joel is in. It's not always black and white but more grey, especially in this case.
Well Spidey allowed said cure to spread ironically through New York tho
I believe Joel did the right thing, saving Ellie from the fireflies and taking everything away from the world cause the world took his daughter away from him. and Btw I think the world would've stopped believing in a cure I mean it's been 20yrs the apocalypse has been going on for.
#1 Killing Yoshi in Super Mario world (Super Mario franchise)
#1 can be also Killing innocent Toads. Bullying and Killing Luigi's Hopes and Dreams. All done thanks to Mario.
I think Joel did the right thing because people will each other no matter what happen
what? you mean eat each other? fix your grammar man
As soon as I read the title of the video I was like oooooh, Capt. Walker from Spec ops: the Line will be here.
0:43 top 10 anime betrayals
Luke Destroying a mining town just to try and be a 'hero' from Tales of the abyss
I knew my boy Kratos would make the list.....but I didn't expect him to be #1.
can't believe this list didnt include the most heinous act in video game history - when the New Kid farted on Kenny's balls.
Shay didn’t know that the artefact was gonna cause an earthquake, then he discovered that the branch of assassins he was apart of were criminals, so that’s why he joined the Templars.
Where's the decision, in Heavy Rain, on choosing to murder the Drug Dealer?
In Heavy Rain, you literally have choose to flat-out murder the Drug Dealer as: 1) begs for his life, and 2) points out that fact that he's dealing drugs to help support his two young daughters, even showing you a photo of them. You only want to save Shaun from a serial killer, and you have to actively choose to murder a man that also has kids that will likely find out their father was brutally murdered.
You don't have to murder the Drug Dealer if you want to save Shaun in the end, especially making the murder completely cruel and pointless.
That was my fav. quote in that game. "I'm a father too...."
Don't forget: Kratos also started Fimbulventr.
Why didn’t Zelda from OoT make this list? She sends Link back as a child to an alternate timeline for no reason other than to ‘give him his childhood back’, which screws up the timeline that he left, leaving no hero to defend it, Ganons eventual release from the seal and resulting in Wind Waker (flooding of Hyrule)
Link on the other side of the timeline that he was sent back to also dies alone and full of regrets due to not being remembered for his achievements, eventually becoming the Heroes Shade from Twilight Princess. All thanks to Zelda sending him back. ‘Give him back his childhood’ led to nothing but misery for him.
Zelda in OoT screwed up EVERYTHING in TWO TIMELINES
To be fair, the Metroids needed to be kept in check. Samus Returns shows the events that led up to Metroids taking over their planet. And to top it off, the space pirates were going to use the Metroids as a weapon. Yes, it brought back the X-Parasites, but I think the remaining SA-X could make a return for a future game as an ally of Samus.
Speaking about Kratos, he was never a Hero to begin with, its in God of War 4 when he indeed starts to become one.
Actually he's a anti hero so yeah. By the way the gods were never good people, heck even before pandora's box was opened they stole kratos' brother and had him tortured. They even made kratos mother keep the secret of their family. And after the box was opened they just got worse by turning his mother into a monster, being abusive to their love ones and by humiliating and beating one of their own.
@@shadow.3xereactions518: Not a ani-hero more of a ani-villain before God of War 4 because he did a bunch of questionable stuff.
The Lone Wanderer nuking megaton 💣☢️
Joel is no hero, he’s a survivor. He somebody who survive 20 years into the apocalypse because he’s not afraid to do the hard things and live with the consequences.
Batman from the Frank Miller verse. And Anakin Skywalker from the star wars franchise.
Good list.
Joel did doom humanity because the recording didn't say anything about the previous test subjects being immune, Ellie was the only immune individual the fireflies came across so there was a chance for a cure.
1) Ah yes, the thirst for revenge. The best kind of thirst!
how is the last of us on the list and NieR is not?
main character literally caused the extintion of human race. confirmed extintion.
How was Conker not on this list? There was a number of wrongs that character did.
That is why these 'heroes' are called "Anti-Heroes"
JC Denton (Deus Ex): Triggered a world economic collapse in order to stop Majestic 12.
mojo most of these wrong things were done by either:
1: a hero with lack of people skills which in turns kills a loved one which comes back to haunt his sin in silent hill.
2: a hero which turn out to be a villain breeding a new species.
3: a hero in a mountain of debt which results in selling his daughter.
4: a hero retrieving a peice of eden triggering an earthquake killing thousands in its wake.
5: a hero slaughtering a sleeping town out of desperation.
6: a hero (or heroine) who is truly genocidal underneath armor for wiping out entire planets and alien species.
7: a hero who turns just another soldier annihilating countless civilians in his duty.
8: a hero who does not think twice murdering towering yet innocent creatures to save one girl.
9: a hero who damns all of humanity to save a new daughter from a lost one in the outbreak of a post-zombie apocalyptic world.
or 10: a hero which turns out the destroyer of worlds with the power to bring death upon the gods.
How about this for a list: "Top 10 Stupidest Video Game Choices We Were Forced To Make". Basically, stupid actions in video games that we had to make or else the plot wouldn't move forward. Examples:
Giving Heath the Yellow Gem (Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia): Heath's hostage is in no danger beyond being bound and flat out tells you not to hand over the Yellow Gem. However, listening to him and not giving Heath the Gem results in Heath mocking you and the game makes you hand it over.
Getting Phoenix Disbarred (Apollo Justice): In the flashback case, you have to have Phoenix present faulty evidence while well aware it will ruin his career.
Facts lol
They did that but a different name
Before I even watch the video or scroll down to the comments. I'm gonna say that the thumbnail gives away the anticipation of the top of the list.
4:28 Until Connor shows up & revives the Brotherhood in AC 3, since Shay’s story is set in between Haytham & Connor’s stories in that game.
HOLY FUCK I WAS FIRST BY 4 SECONDS
Joel didn't do something bad. He did justice by preventing Ellie's surgery. He made justice and raised a big middle finger to the world. On 2013, the world took Joel's daughter away from him. Now, on 2033, Joel takes the world's daughter by rescuing Ellie. I think he did something heroic, worst at the same time, but heroic.
Urinate on his enemies!
- Conker T. Squirrel
To be fair to Joel and The Last of Us, it was said that Ellie could help develop a VACCINE, not a cure. Not saying that Joel's actions are completely heroic, but that distinction is lost on WatchMojo for some reason 🤨
Prototype's story is amazing even if he infected the Manhattan as collateral damage.
Tho, selling one's daughter is unheard of.
you should have added prince relesing the sands of time from prince of persia: sands of time
Infamous, future Cole killing his wife (Trish) and countless other people just to make the current Cole "ready" which ultimately fails
can you do top 10 artillery only games?
What about “No Russian” from MW2??
Saw Kratos coming
As far as this topic goes, you could make a top 10 (possibly top 20) list on Kratos alone. In fact, I think they have... LOL
MatPat: Mario should be number 1
Whats more important to you: Established morality or your heart? Joel answered that question easily.
Shay's earthquake was an expected and accepted result hunting pieces of Eden, painting the assassins in a very bad light. sure he got a little hotheaded, but he could not stand by and let them make the same sacrifice again. He did what he believed was best for the sake of all humanity, even if he had to betray his friends. this intentionality and makes him a hero, and he is only a villain when put against the context of having previously been on the other side, as players.
What about when Venom Snake had to kill most of his own soldiers due to the virus spread?
What about Link accidentally lured Ganondorf into the Door of Time?
Doctor Awesomeness just that statement explains why it exactly shouldn't be on here.
Well, Samus probably didn't know what the real purpose of the Metroids was at the time.
The Forest. You bring down a plane of people, hope that one survives only to sacrifice them to bring your son back.
i love the rebooted god of war they mention what he did in the first 3 through it cause hes hiding what he did from his song :P
Joel, Captain Martin Walker, and Kratos HAAAAAAAAAD to be on this list.
Um... the Colossi definitely attack you on sight in Shadow of the Colossus. They're far from harmless.
I died a little inside wherever I had to sacrifice Yoshi...
Putting Kratos in the "heroes" list isn't exactly appropriate
You either die a hero or you live long enough to see youself become the villain
Sadly, Kratos lived long enough to see himself become the villain. Not because of what he's done to the Gods, but rather those who didn't even pick a fight with him.