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Why Did Ernesto De La Cruz Betray Hector? (Backstory Explained!) | Coco Theory
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Isaac theorizes on why Ernesto De La Cruz betrayed Hector by diving into Ernesto’s backstory!
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Everything. It took Ernesto everything within him to achieve his dream. Ernesto, spoiler alert, killed to sing for the world but this famous Mexican musician didn’t just end the life of a pedestrian; he ended his childhood best friend and song writer Hector. BUT how could he do this? Does he regret his decisions? Does he possess humanity within him?
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Love your coco vids! Keep up the good work!
Thank you Kailey!
Poco loco means crazy
Kailey The ravenclaw queen same!!!
I like your video about ernesto
flopsyfoo 11 exactly! 😀
Honestly, I don't think Ernesto is passionate about playing his music. He's passionate about being famous; that's what keeps him going. When Hector was going to leave, Ernesto had a feeling of "if he leaves I can't be famous!" and did what he deemed was necessary to make sure no one could stop him from getting famous.
Ernesto is a brilliant actor. Example: when Ernesto and Hector are walking to the train station, he removes the guitar as if to help lighten the amount Hector was carrying. Instead, he took the guitar so he could steal it.
Yes, Ernesto was a very brilliant and notorious actor.
I'm just sad my Uncle *Ernesto* (not from Coco) died...
Nala x Simba like Lockhart from Harry Potter
that's my answer too.
Hector had a family. Ernesto seems to not have had anyone. so he only cared for himself.
Or maybe Earnesto had a family once but he up and abandoned them just like how Hector's family assumed he'd done.
@@melissacooper4482 but he didn't care for his family. he only cared for himself and fame. and he needed Hector's talent. he saw fame coming and Hector wanted to go just when it was in their grasp. Ernesto never gave Hector credit for the music because of his lack of caring for anyone but himself.
I don't care what Ernesto's reasons were. Hector didn't deserve that. He just wanted to go home!
Totally AGREE!!
Yup
Coudlnt have said it better yourself! 👍
Lt. Basil YES!
I agree all he wanted was to see his family
I always wondered why Ernesto just didn’t ask his friend to write songs for him mailed them to where he was and gave him a cut of the money for a thanks🤔? Honestly that would have been the best of both worlds. Hector could be both known as a great songwriter and support his family through music as a side business. While Hector will be known as a great singer.
I thought the same thing. It made more sense to me then murdering Hector.
@@silas4180 Fair point, but they could have had them work together, but Ernesto became frame hungry and didn't want to give Hector credit so it would make him seem more impressive. Hector refused and threatened to quit, and that's when he murders Hector.
@@silas4180 thats not what happens in the movie, I was saying what could have happened instead so it made more sense. Sorry if it wasn't clear.
If you remember in the movie he didn't want to give up those songs
Hector could have just been a ghost writer, he could have wrote songs for hiss family but still wrote then for Cruz as a ghost writer, meaning he would get no credit but he wasn't getting credit anyway. Most songwriters that are ghost writers are fine with no credit as long as they get a cut of the profits, with the way Cruz became popular Hector would be getting high ammounts in royalty, and he would get to stay with his family. So basicslly, if the two had just worked it out, Cruz would still be famous and not a murderer that is disgraced (as we see at the end) HEctor gets rich and lives with his family, Maybe the wife will make a shoe business and the family could chose between making shoes or being songwriters, idk. But it sounds like that would be a way better siduation for them both. Miguel would also be encouraged to study music and Coco would have her father.
From a psychologist's point of view: Ernesto wants love/positive attention; from a small town in the middle of nowhere, with Hector as a best friend - a man who won his love's heart and makes his child laugh, a man with so much love in his life, and he got it from music. So smooth Ernesto decides to copy him. Beliefs from that age never disappear, they only get cemented. the real question is what his childhood life was like,was he an orphan or neglected, does he even have ancestors to remember? In a city where remembering your ancestors or being forgotten is the worst case scenario, having no one and being no one can be horrifyingly traumatic.
Pps: everything Ernesto says as the Hero of Music is an act. What he thinks people want to hear, a story he tells to himself and others. It's not real. In film or protagonist - we are all spectators of Ernesto’s greatest fear.
Spoken like a true poet
Honestly I think he is a lot like Ted Bundy. Like you said, everything was an act, he was super charismatic, the only time we saw his act pulled down was when he threw Miguel off the building, even after that the act went right back up. When he had the guards take Miguel away the act was there, I don't think the guards realized that Miguel was going to die from that. The more I think about Ernesto's life (how quickly he decided to kill Miguel when Miguel couldn't have actually harmed his reputation, how premeditated killing Hector was), the more creeped out I get. I think he was a serial killer, he just killed anyone that could possibly pose a threat to his career. He's a psycho.
U figured me out amigo?
Damn that's deep😂😂😂
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The only answer for this is simple. It's a combination of jealousy and greed. Hector had a loving family and an amazing talent for music. He knew that without Hector he would lose his dream and his fame. Yes he had talent but not at the level as Hector. If he couldn't keep Hector and his songs with him on the tour then he would have nothing, so he killed Hector and took his music for himself
Totally agree. Hector was the key to Ernesto's talent! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Black Rose even though if the bell hadn’t been killed him off so soon, I’m 100% sure he would have been outed as a fraud due to having no more songs after ‘Remember me’
he would have probably hired "ghost writers" as soon as he run out of songs ( and many of those songs were meant to be just for the family, hector was not planning to give them to Ernesto )
It’s really lucky for Ernesto that Imelda band music from the household. Otherwise, I’m pretty sure she would’ve outted Ernesto for playing her Husband’s songs.
Totally agreed....
No, he never showed remorse. Over the course of the film, he shows narcissists tendencies. One could go so far as to say he's a psychopath. The fact he murdered his best friend and was angry that Hector wanted to return home. This makes him a covert narcissists, he's all about appearances. Meeting Hector in the land of dead was his opportunity to address what he did and say what he did. It was MIGUEL that pointed it out and the LOOK on Ernesto's face tells us everything. The fact that Miguel knew the truth and "unmasked" him was enough of a threat to his persona and image. He had his security lock Miguel away knowing fully that keeping him in the land of dead past sunrise would keep the boy dead. Thus, no one would "find out" the truth. Once Miguel returned to the living, EVERYTHING was found out and Hector was reunited with his family.
In fact, Ernesto can be considered a psychopath. He shows every trait of one. First, there is the lack of emotion Ernesto feels for killing Hector and when Miguel asks Ernesto about his family. Then there is his obvious charming and romantic personality to keep people from being suspicious of it. He is a very seductive person with this charm. He's even a narcissist and focuses on one person for some time, like the girl he danced with in his last song before he died, Miguel, and Hector when he throws an outburst at him. Hell, he even tries to act nice in order to cover this up.
A narcissist can be a both a sociopath and/or a psychopath. The difference is the degree in which the "mask" comes off. For example, Mother Gothel in Tangled is an overt narcissists. She doesn't hide her disgust or disdain toward Rampuzel. Ernesto on the other hand is SO concerned with his physical appearance and his reputation, he'll do ANYTHING to preserve this image. The thought of family, for him, challenged what he wanted. I will have to give Ernesto SOME credit because he didn't involve other people, like a wife and children into his plan. However, his death made that nearly impossible. What's to say had he lived, would he have married and had children to terrorize? That's not this story but more then likely, he would have done that, to keep up the appearance of a loving father and family.
Definitely. When asked if he regretted, he just says it was hard to leave his home. He doesn't mention family, friends, anything. It's simply what he was expected to say, because a person like Ernesto could not get out of that small town fast enough. I think that he had intended to murder Hector from the moment that Hector married Imelda.
To Ernesto, Hector was betraying him, betraying his dream. Hector was his best and possibly only friend, and he failed to be his eternal sidekick and songwriter. I mean, really, they're traveling on the road, and he just happened to have poison? I'm sure he was thinking he'd give Hector that last chance to walk away from his wife and daughter, but knew Hector wouldn't walk away.
Ernesto also sort of absorbed Hector into him, so to speak, by taking his guitar and songs and then never speaking another word of him. The more I think about it, the creepier he gets.
Goldenthrush, WOW!! Yeah, there's that "I'll take what I like from Ernesto and leave the rest." That is very typical of narcissists. You pointed out that he had been planning it for awhile, which you're right, THAT is scary. The other scene that's even MORE scary, he tells Miguel "Ernesto was my best friend!" Miguel physically cringes. Even after everything is disclosed, Miguel is scared to ask him for his blessing. It also made it difficult for Miguel to know this guy is a fraud because his family NEVER talked about Ernesto. I think that's what the film makers were trying to point out. In an attempt to erase Ernesto, they GAVE power to De La Cruz, taking full advantage of that opportunity. Which makes it even worse. He's a real piece of work.
Ernesto literally describes a sociopath
Yeah, I think he is exactly like Ted Bundy. It's all super creepy.
pretty much 😂😂
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I agree.
I think it’s spelled psychopath
Hector's remember me had me bawling like i was the baby.
SAME 😭😭😭
The entire movie has me bawling
@Emontre waters yes. Because I am an emotional wreck. And I am ok with it
@@Iconic_Darkness Ernesto is old or young?
@Emontre waters and? ain't nothin wrong with having emotions, sorry your daddy taught you they were bad, they're actually quite great!👃
Ernesto would KILL to be a musician
LITERALLY!!
Ha?
Haha?
That was a bad joke
A dad joke
A horible joke
Over alll just plain BAD
Harahan the grizzlcorn you can’t do better
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I think Ernesto was lying when he said that he sang Hector's songs to keep a part of him alive
Just to keep his populairity alive 😂
Could've been half a lie I mean just look at Hectòr! ..... Could he really forget about him, Ernesto wouldn't be able to forget him, I mean because a guy like Hectòr leaves a pretty big mark on someone with that level of kindness
No dip Sherlock. He was trying to lie to Hector in order to make up for the fact that he didn’t put his picture up and that he killed him.
Yeah I think you are right.
No kidding. How long did it take you to figure that out
I think that Earnesto did regret that he killed his friend, the movie shows the person being poisoned spitting out the drink and attacking the poisoner so maybe deep down he wished Hector noticed the poison.
You can also see signs of his humanity shining through when the security is dragging him out and he tells them not too hurt him. However, in the end his greed and his love of the fame and glory were greater then his guilt and his compassion for friends and family which is why he left his friends and family at home, murdered Hector and even in the land of the dead with a final chance for redemption tried to silence Miguel.
In a way seeing his humanity peeking through makes Earnesto an even eviler character. He knows what he’s doing is wrong, he knows he is hurting those around him but keeps on going anyways.
I think that what’s make a true villain so interesting is that they know of thier crime yet they still look ahead
Kedda kedda
Mhm sounds like HawkMoth to me..
Seeing as how quickly he snatched and then was reluctant to give the photo of Hector back, even if it was just so he could at least have the opportunity to see his daughter one last time before he died again, I don’t think he felt guilt. If he did he wouldn’t have tried to recreate the scenario by trying to kill his own Grandson (he tried to kill Miguel twice actually!).
As much as I wish Ernesto did show himself doubting his actions a little, he really doesn’t. Even after his betrayal came to the surface he still continued to call Hector “friend”, which was a lot more chilling than I had expected it to be. But the scene of him drinking the poisoned drink in El Camino A Casa was definitely a wreckless move. I’m thinking it was added in that way to sort of romanticize the memory and justify his own actions by placing himself as the hero in that situation. You know, put himself in the good guy’s shoes so he could both believe and appear to the world that he was.
Lol sorry this is so wordy, it’s just really fun analyzing characters. For me at least, I usually think it’s the villains without a hint of humanity who appear like they are the most frightening to me because that means nothing can hold them back. They’ll twist good and pure things into something monstrous and menacing. Like, just Ernesto calling Hector his friend throughout his entire appearance even until the end still kinda haunts me
The truth may be even scarier than that. He directed a part of one of his movies to have it that two friends drink a toast together, only for one of the glasses to be poisoned, and the hero of the story to survive the situation, solve the mystery, and beat the bad guy. This, in effect means that if and when anybody found out what he did to Hector, and they tried to tell somebody about this matter, anyone and everyone they told would simply shrugged his shoulders and say “si,si. I saw that movie too. It is just a movie though. It’s not real life.“
Then how come he didn't give the photo back to Miguel when Hector told hI'm he just wanted to see Coco before he died again, and why didn't he give Hector credit for his songs and why was he willing to kill a child twice?
i think it's an age old story: a boy with no family meets a friend who has a loving family. I think Hector was Ernesto's only friend growing up and when they got to a certain age, Hector convinced Ernesto to leave their town and find fame and glory.
i also think Ernesto was always jealous of Hector deep down and maybe once Hector married and had a family, Ernesto's jealousy consumed him.
That backstory actually makes the most sense.
Yea I guess in his fragile mind, fame is what gave him the validation he was craving so damn bad .
@@FlyyGirl1000 you summed it up
I feel like if Ernesto never died by that bell he would’ve ended up regretting it because eventually he would’ve run out of songs to sing
but Ernesto died an entire 20 years later. he most likely ran out of songs years before his death and just sang them over and over
Song of Storms how do you know he died 20 years later
Hector died in 1921 while Ernesto died in 1942
Hector was 21 when he died, and was born in 1900, so with a bit of math you get 1921
Ernesto's date of death was said in the beginning of the movie
Song of Storms oh yeah they did say that I don’t remember anything about hector tho and are you sure he was 21 cause he looked a lot older
Perhaps Ernesto dressed Hector in some old, tattered clothing and left his body in an alley or something. So people just thought he was a homeless guy or something. This would make sense why Hector doesn’t have his clothing in the land of the dead
According to the director, Hector got rid of his mariachi clothing.
Sami TheWeirdOne that would be creepy.... he un dressed him and put in in other clothing... ._.
Sami TheWeirdOne Then Ernesto would be a perv too
Dracula From Girls X Battle lol are ya like 10 or somethin? He aint a perv if he do dat to hide dat he murdered someone
Lil Thug Well, he literally got Hector undressed and that is gross. Your grammar is also bad.
The thing I don't get is, WHY kill Hector? If he really needs Hector's songs, then he's killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. If he's just planning on stealing the songs, why not steal them? Or buy them? Or hire Hector to write for him long distance like you said?
I think that more than just the music, Ernesto was in love with the image he had created for himself as a singer/song writer. In the afterlife, Hector accuses Ernesto of stealing his songs, and it's not until Coco's letters from her father are found that Hector gets credit for writing them. I think Ernesto killed Hector to ensure no one ever learned the truth. That while he could play great music, he couldn't create it like everyone thought.
Isaac Supports Disney.
Disney supports Gen-cide.
Wow much?
This would maybe even be ok IF he only
would make clear where he stands on it;
but instead he ignores it, as far as i know.
He just keeps gushing over Disney, a group of People
who are famously and just so famously f-ed up.
Others have a Standpoint on Disney and their Morals
and the whole China-Relation, but not Isaac. He dodges all Questions here.
Killing him was easier.
I mean, it doesn't get simpler than that.
I'm pretty late to the game but there are a few things that really made me think while watching the movie. One thing would be that Ernesto must've planned on killing Hector sooner or later, because why else would he have poison standing around like that? My guess is that if Hector didn't leave and Ernesto became famous, he would kill him at this point so nobody will ever know that the songs aren't Ernesto's.
Also why is Hector only wearing rags in the world of the dead? He was wearing pretty fancy clothes when he was killed, so I think Ernesto either stole Hector's clothes and hid them somewhere or he changed his clothes so Hector's dead body would look like the one of a tramp in case somebody finds him.
And the last thing is about the question wether or not Ernesto felt bad about what he did..... my theory is that he didn't, never. If Hector really was his best friend he probably knew about Coco's and Hector's secret song and what it meant to Hector. So stealing even *that* song (remember me) after killing his best friend, knowing that Hector wrote that song only for his daughter, whom he never will see again, is pretty messed up. And after running out of songs to sing Ernesto started producing movies. Movies about how he wants to be potrayed (like the good guy, a hero). So the murder of his best friend was only a convenient story he could use for one of these movies. If that shows anything, it's how manipulative, uncreative and heartless Ernesto is.
Are you a P.I. or something 😗🔥
Ur actually Amazing
He did, he says he was worried he was going to leave. He would have killed him.
Ameb
“I could not have done it differently”
That gave me shivers
Practically everything that he says in interviews about his career in the human world after the plot twist gives shivers, because now it’s not only a famous musician giving the inspirational story of his career, now we know there’s something dark behind those words.
7:37 when i heard that all i felt was shivers down not just my spine but my whole body
He knows that showbiz is a dog-eat-dog world .
the only reason ernesto died was because karma caught to him when he murdered his childhood friend hector, and when everyone in both the land of the living and the dead, karma caught up to him once again.
Paul Jordan, I thought exactly the same thing.
Paul Jordan I’m starting to think there was no hell in the land of the dead because I know we’re he would be
Xddddd
Imagine if Ernesto accidentally got the glasses wrong and got poisoned lol
XD😂
"I sang them to keep a part of you alive" YOU STILL KILLED ME!!
I have read the book of coco(yes there is a book) it has said that Ernesto used to play music for small crowds but it didn't satisfied him like he wanted. He wanted the fame and reputation and wanted to play for a much bigger crowd of people like in the movie where he had a spectacular. So yes, Ernesto killed Hector because he needed his songs to get to where he was at in the movie. Popularity gotten into his head, I believe he used to have a bit of humanity once in him before everything went down with him murdering Hector and all. Good theory btw
That’s in the movie as well...
What's the Name of the book? * _ *
𝙒𝙖𝙞𝙩, there's a book?!
@@RichtofensLittleGirl coco: a story about music, shoes amd family
@@galaxymew5138 indeed
Coco is one of the rare movies that everytime I watch I become entranced. And I feel the same feelings as when I first watched the film. When proud corazon plays and I see the family dance together I always tear up. This is an amazing emotional film. Viva Mexico 🇲🇽
The murder was motivated by a need to take credit for what was not his work. He felt entitled and would not allow anything or anyone get in his way. I think fame was like a drug to him but he couldn't share the spotlight or admit his shortcomings. He wanted it all and comitted murder to preserve his image/self image.
He planned to kill his friend and take credit for the music since he had the poison already
I feel based on your description of Hector as well as my own interpretation of the film, he did sort of recognize his fault in the matter, but justified it in his head in really, REALLY out-there ways. The stuff you said in about the scene in the movie was particularly interesting, why DID Ernesto have a scene which is so personal written, acted, shot, edited, and presumably distributed to a wide audience without thinking "hey, this is kind of f***ed up?" That is so sick on so many levels! Great villain, though, it's like if Gilderoy Lockhart was taken to the logical next step.
I think that both of them have musical talent.
Ernesto could only mimic emotions since he's a sociopath/psychopath. At best his ability to not just feel, but express those emotions are limited. He knew how to make others happy.
Hector could not only feel, but express those feelings in the notes and words chosen.
The two different renditions of the songs, Remember Me, shows this difference quite well.
Thus the tragedy of Hector s death is worse!
He showed empathy for psychopaths and was killed
The way that he sang Remember Me is what made it popular. Hector's version is much more heartfelt, but wouldn't have been mainstream. I like to compare Ernesto to Ted Bundy, who was super charismatic and the people that knew him could not comprehend that he would kill. Child molesters are another good example, they are often some of the people that parents trust most which is why the victims don't feel they can talk about it, they think no one will believe them. I think Ernesto actually had the capacity to act out those feelings he didn't have so well that everyone trusted him completely. And I don't think Hector was the only person he killed.
@@ThatOneLadyOverHere yea villains w/ good publicity is a thing . Star power is also very powerful
Wouldn’t it also be possible that Ernesto also changed hectors clothing after his death as well since everyone we have seen died and are dressed exactly as they dressed in the living, true that they couldn’t have done that without reviling who hector was but they have added Something to show his love of music he once had or his place in the plot! But he is dressed as a poor peasant so did Ernesto make hector look like a simple nobody so no one would want to ,or even attempt to find relatives?? That would be pretty dark!
Good observation.
Ernesto's clothes were different when he was in his last moments and when he's dead.
ive read somewhere that the dead people in the land of the remembered look as they did when they were burried, all prettied up in their best clothing and all. Whats more dark is that, by how rough hector looks now, we can assume his burial wasnt as... pleasant.
Angela Kartolína Luntian that might be more because he was on the verge of being forgotten. He was affiliated with the nearly-forgotten-folks of Shantytown, who also looked just about as rough as he did
@@ricekrispies1917 it was stated by the creators i think that the more someone is remembered, the better shape they're in. all the remembered skeletons are white and pristine while the forgotten ones are yellowed, broken and old looking. same for their clothes.
"Did Ernesto regret betraying Hector?"
I think yes and no. He didn't regret doing what he had to do "seize his moment," but I'm sure part of him felt some qualms about offing his best friend.
Karma is what killed ernesto :/
My friend's name is karma
The thing that gets me, which I didn't realize till after I the movie was over, is that Ernesto had clearly been planning to murder Hector for a while, since he had the poison already on him and ready to go. I bet Ernesto had been suspecting for a while that Hector was going to bail on him. But instead of talking to him and trying to work something out where Hector could write songs from home, he's like, "Nope. Gotta kill him. There's no other way." Like... geez dude. And Hector had a wife and baby girl too!
It makes you wonder what Ernesto & Hector's friendship was really like all those years. I imagine it was always pretty toxic, and Ernesto was very used to being able to manipulate Hector and get what he wanted out of him. So when Hector finally put his foot down, Ernesto couldn't deal with it. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some jealousy there too. Hector tells Miguel in the movie that he taught Ernesto everything he knows about music, so obviously Hector was always more musically talented than Ernesto. I bet Ernesto was kinda bitter about that for a long time, and it finally just reached a breaking point. But Ernesto is really good at putting on a happy face and hiding his darker feelings, so Hector never suspected there was anything wrong.
sorry to say that this comment has better explanation than wotsos.
I don’t care why. It’s still no excuse to poison his best friend
I know I think his coldness is up there with the classic Disney Villains , The queen from Snow White night even say Woh that's too far
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Maleficent would have one of two reactions. Either she’ll be impressed like “Props to you” or she’ll be like “What the....not even I’VE done that!”
Definitely lady tremaine might think what he did was inappropriate
Exactly
A 👏M E N
Hector: Hey, listen man I gotta leave, this life style is killing me
Ernesto: okay fine whatever leave
Hector: Okay see ya
Ernesto: ….before u go....want a.....glass of...….Wine or some-
Hector: Sure thing
(3 hours later)
Hector: Man.....I....I I...I love you man...your like...*hiccup*.. The best man.....like ever man
Ernesto: yeah, yeah I am, say, can I get your notebook full of songs?
Hector: Yeah man...FOR you.....an-any-anything man....
I guess Ernesto could’ve just done that, but whatever. Poison works too.
Yeah, that would be much easier, but... what would he do next? You know, one moment Hector would become sober and...
@@shurale123 "Hey bro do you have my notebook? You know, with my songs. I gave it to you, if I recall correctly..."
"Nope"
Isaac Supports Disney.
Disney supports Gen-cide.
Wow much?
This would maybe even be ok IF he only
would make clear where he stands on it;
but instead he ignores it, as far as i know.
He just keeps gushing over Disney, a group of People
who are famously and just so famously f-ed up.
Others have a Standpoint on Disney and their Morals
and the whole China-Relation, but not Isaac. He dodges all Questions here.
Ernesto didn't regret killing Hector. He regretted not being able to stop him from trying to walk away.
He didn't regret his actions, just that it got to the point where he felt that murder was his only option.
Agreed, and sucks that this comment never got likes..
Ernesto only cared about himself and was willing to do whatever it took to "seize his moment" and that included killing someone but that's just pure evil especially if that person was a childhood friend that is not cool!!!! People like him disgust me
That leaves me one question, why didn't Hector politely hand his songs to Ernesto under the condition that he'd give credit to him for the song writing?
My best guess will be because Ernesto will probably want more songs than what's provided in the songbook and he'll keep begging Hector for more.
Bcus Hector didnt care abt fame. He did his music for his family & Ernesto just wantd to look as if he could make his own music lik he was the complete package in the industry...
Thank you for clarifying that
Because of the fame. He had a great voice, but none of the originality or heart that existed in the songs written by Hector... something he never had.
Script! That's how it was written, that's how it was drawn. 😀
If Ernesto wanted to keep Hector's memory alive through his songs, he would've credited Hector for said songs
Title: “Why did Ernesto betrayed Hector”
Me: Tsk. Because he wants to be famous and Hector was about to leave him, everyone knows that. 👍
Couldn’t he just wait
@@yourfriendlybulbasaur9165 I guess not.
“I don’t think he’s talking about the girl” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I didn't think Ernesto regretted betraying Hector. 😐 In the movie, Ernesto seemed to show no conscience! He wouldn't let Miguel go back to the living world with Hector's photo, he cast Hector away after he found him out, and he feigned an apology when he went to sing for the audience (not realizing at first that the audience viewed him for who he was. Your question is thought provoking, but I thought De La Cruz was a MONSTER! 😡 Even if he really is a good actor and singer.
So a sociopath?
He’s a Sociopath.
... Ernesto is just a *COMPLETE* and *CALLOUS* psychopath. 😖😖😖
He's charming, manipulative, and a bastard who *FREAKING* lacks empathy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sociopaths are impulsive, unpredictable and can bond with at least ONE person.
Psychopaths, however, are more cunning, intelligent, charismatic, and CAN'T bond with anyone!! And Ernesto is definitely a psychopath!
It’s called being a sociopath. Love this movie tho.
Mario is also a sociopath
It’s physopath
Inky Luke Jr. you spelled it wrong 🤣
Yes finally! someone does a theory on this I've been waiting forever for someone to do it XD nice job theorizing Issac :D
Thank you! I'm happy you enjoyed it!
You're welcome
This isn't even really a "theory". he just explained what the story was. it was easy enough to understand for anyone who watched the movie so there isn't a point in putting the word "theory" into any of this.
Seriously? This was literally all explained in the movie, he literally just said what was explained in the movie, just....longer and query..
Kiara LionessTM {Kiara Fray Fairchild} at least your not loco
*I can't believe they shown a flat out, cruel murder in a pixar film*
Um..... Coral? She was eaten alive. (Nemo's mom) But fair point
Skyler Ricketts true, but they didn't show her die.
What i don't understand is why Ernesto had to KILL Hector? I mean, didn't he wanted his songs? How was he supposed to get more of them with Hector being dead. He doesn't regrets it i guess.
He didn’t really sound like he did regret poisoning Hector. He was nothing more than a greedy jerk. In hindsight, he’s actually a Mexican version of Gaston from “Beauty and the Beast”.
As far as the movie goes, Ernesto probably included the murder in the movie because he couldn't think of an original idea. He does have talent for playing music and he has charisma, but odds are he doesn't have any originality so he ends up making other people do the work and he pulls it off. He probably only wrote a few scenes in his movies and then credited himself as the head writer.
I think Ernesto was both an orphan and only child with no connections to his home town thus no one to remember him when he died (that might be why he rationalized killing hector he had a family) so Ernesto felt he had to get his everlasting fame or disappear foreversympathetic as that is I still hate him for just being so irrational as to kill his golden egg laying goose
However Ernesto was born or raised, he could have at least realized without family, there would be no one left to remember you, unless he actually wanted to find a way to pursue his dream as a musician without leaving or breaking his family's hearts, later raise a family of his own and when his time came, he would pass down his legacy to his children and grandchildren to never let them forget that fame and fortune are nothing without family and friendship to come first. But I agree he never should have done the worst thing to Hector just to reach that point the dishonest way.
ernesto is innocent the rycicled his chara for movie plot in the orignal beta version he was miguels aka marco de la crus grandfarther and good kind but changed it to miguel being grandson of hector and ernesto being hectors killer
krieger maria you're making no sense here. "...the rycicled his chara..."??? I think you mean they (as in Disney/Pixar) recycled his character for the movie plot and that in the original, beta version, he was Miguel's (aka Marco De La Cruz)' grandfather, and a good, kind man; but Disney changed Hector's grandson, and Ernesto being Hector's killer.
Indeed. Hector was going home anyway. Ernesto could have paid Hector for his songs, and given him a livelihood instead of killing him.
yes they i mean the artists from disney pixar yepp thats sorry im not eng and learned it from films with eng subtitles
killing Héctor doesn’t accomplish anything. Ernesto could have just let him go home and never talk to him again, because him being dead is the same thing.
So technically Ernesto has a “Ghost writer”
To quote another movie "If you destroy anyone who gets in the way of your dreams. You wind up very alone with no dreams at all." Ernesto did exactly that and would pay for it when confronted with the loss of something far bigger than his friend. He lost any credibility with his fans.
The whole Ernesto believes his existence is valid with music thing because he had little to no relationships is actually pretty dark. Before he got into music, did he have an abusive family? Did he even have a family? Did he have depression? Reply what you think.
I always thought that Ernesto and Héctor were both orphans and have been like brothers. When Héctor decided to leave Ernesto, the latter might've thought he was not only losing the fame he tried to gain, but also his only family.
My question is he needs Hector's songs (totally agree) but after he murdered Hector where would he get new songs? It's not like Hector penned songs from beyond the grave and sent them to Ernesto.
Well he probably lied to the public that he is making new songs while in reality he waited every 3 or 4 months and made the "new song" public. Also he sang the same songs over and over again cuz "remember me" was popular so he probably sang that many times
He might have found another songwritter.
@@hannahskeldon7944 if that's the case then why not just do that to begin with.
The way the movie is told he never had any songs but Hector's so he screwed himself over.
Interviewer: So Ernesto, what do you identify as?
Ernesto: Music
What I think is that Ernesto murdered him because he wanted to play for the world. Before he poisons him he says "You wanna quit now when we're THIS CLOSE to reaching our dream!?!" That's why Hector wanted to leave, it was De la Cruz dream, and he got homesick, so maybe Ernesto betrayed him because he wanted it, the popularity, his own benefit, I think its just because of that and I don't think he regrets it.
Exactly they explain why he did it in the movie so i dont know why they made this movie
Duh.
But there were alternatives.
My theory is that ernesto's family probably didn't thought that being a musician was gonna be a great career for him. And that probably must've made ernesto feel betrayed and left his family so he could reach his dream. And of course, he did everything he could to get that fame, including to kill his best friend. Hector was the one who felt bad for leaving his own family, but ernesto didn't care about what hector felt because he doesn't believe in the love and bond of family because of his own family rejecting his dream of being a musician. And there's also the song "the world is my familia". Like think about it, if ernesto never got the love and support of his family, then he prefers the love and support from his fans, because he doesn't believe in the love of real families. Idk, its just my theory.
Then Ernesto will be like Miguel in a way. Miguel's family also rejected the idea of him playing music and Miguel felt betrayed. The big difference is that Miguel learned that family is also important. Ernesto never learned that.
fire miracle you might be on the trail to the gold, its sounds pretty accurate
I have a question. How did Miguel keep Hector’s last name from what I know when people get married the bride takes the last name of the groom but they had a girl daughter so how does Miguel have the last name “Rivera”?
Maybe mama coco wasn't married when she had her kids
Black Swan she did -_- she was married and had 3 kids
+Black Swan she was they state it at the beginning of the movie julio is her husband
+Luna Night she had two kids elena and victoria
Molly Hughes oh yeah I got tired when I saw the comment
Disney's wreck it Ralph 2: Follow your dreams!
Pixar's coco: Don't follow your dreams!
Disney's Zootopia: It's fine having dreams as long you don't believe in them too much!
MyNameStartsWithJ MLP FiM The Cutie Map Part 1: You can’t have a nightmare if you never dream.
Hector and Ernesto. The tragic friendship between a Hufflepuff and Slytherin. Ernesto’s downfall was his ambition, he wanted the fame and glory. He wanted to be remembered as one of the greatest musicians of all time. Ernesto was the type who would do anything to “seize his moment”, and anyone who came in between him and his reputation was a threat.
Based on Hector’s description of playing for the world, I don’t think he cared much for it. Hector loved music and had a natural gift for it, but he wasn’t the type to seek out glory. His downfall was unfortunately his loyalty. Ernesto probably was the one who kept pushing Hector, begging him to join him on this tour. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ernesto brought up that with fame, came riches and opportunities that Hector could provide for his family. And with Hector’s devotion not only to his friend, but to his wife and child as well, it’s no wonder he’d leave on the tour for their sake.
The tragedy was when their two greatest qualities conflicted with one another, and Hector and his family were the ones left suffering.
I like how you use Harry Potter references in the beginning.
Hey!.im slytherin and i would never go to such great lenght. People forget we also have merlin
I'd sort Ernesto into Gryffindor rather than Slytherin. Ernesto was a bombastic show-off who killed his best friend for his shot at glory. Slytherins can be vicious and cruel--but they ALWAYS look after their own. Loyalty to your in-group is a Slytherin trait. Ernesto didn't have that. He was Peter Pettigrew.
I am really offended by the fact that you used Ernesto as a slytherin IM a slytherin and I would never go to those lengths to win fame and glory your thinking of a gryffindor also me and my 4 YEAR best friend are a slytherin and a hufflepuff and we would NEVER do anything to each other your thinking of peter pettigrew
Hakuraita I completely agree
I don't think Ernesto regreted it
Inna of course he didn't.
Inna factz
When you watch the movie again, go to 1:05:24-1:05:54. When you watch that scene, look at Ernesto the whole time. He looks at the photo for a pretty long time. His expression when Hèctor is talking to him about the past are showing that he is conflicted with a helping his childhood friend from being completely forgotten. But, if he helps Hèctor, he thinks it will ruin his status of fame. He is truly stuck as his eyes show it, he is looks at the photo with little remorse, and he's sighing that he is trying to find a way to help Hèctor. I truly think he does regret for murdering his best friend. When Hèctor tried to get Miguel to put his photo up on a ofrenda, Ernesto realized that Hèctor is close to his final death and he thinks that murdering him was the cause of it. Like Isaac said, Ernesto didn't end Hèctor life maliciously, he kill him for Hèctor's songs and guitar(without thinking about the destruction of Hèctor). He knew that deep down it was wrong and regrets to see his friend about to be forgotten.
Inna He didn’t because he tried to get rid of Miguel for accusing Ernesto for killing Hector.
Let’s Hope That Ernesto will be in Kingdom Hearts 3
A coco world would be so dope
There NEEDS to be a Coco world at some point, it's too awesome of an idea to pass up. Especially considering how little they acknowledge death in Kingdom Hearts. A world based around a concept that the KH universe barely touches on? Heck yes.
Yeah a Coco world would be cool
Sad it's not there
I Argeed...
8:21 I love that zoom in feature you did when Ernesto got mad and then zoomed out when he gained his composure. 😂
Ernesto had the charisma and a good voice, but he couldn't write songs and didn't know how to be humble like Hector.
Hector rivera shouldn't drank that liquor but could have walked on his own to the train station to meet up with imelda and coco Ernesto betrayed and caused the murderer using him of the songs for his own personal gain of reality seizing the moment had nothing to do with it.
Tevin Howard Well I think he should’ve just RUN
Easy to say in hindsight but I think most people wouldn't think their best friend and music partner would kill them for their songs
Caity Trina I agree, that would be the last tmhing I think about. I would probably be trying to remember if I packed ebverything and that I had everything I needed fo r the journey home.
How was Hector supposed to know that the liquor was poisoned? Ernesto had been his best friend since they were kids. He knew Ernesto. He trusted him. They were practically brothers. Even with such a big argument, Hector had no reason to think that Ernesto would hurt him. That's probably part of why he reacted so violently when he learned the truth.
I really loved this. The plot twist and reasoning just feels sonmuch like something from Mexico's Golden Age of cinema, which is what Ernesto's movies are a homage to since a lot of artists from that era also made movies as well, where they featured their songs, either creating a songtrack for them, or basing the movies on them.
That being said, from my knowledge of what I know from that type of cinema, if this is directly inspired by these movies, Ernesto's motivations just seem egotistical. He was willing to share the spotlight with Hector because Hector was going to be his ticket to fame, but since Hector was going to leave him, he saw it as betrayal, so he poisoned him, and tricked Hector into thinking his stomach pain was due to bad chorizo, that way Hector would not go to the doctor and get an antidote on time. That last part is what makes me think Ernesto thought Hector betrayed him, or at least betray him later, as Hector is also a talented artist himself who was also an excellent songwriter, and if he was to be on his own, Hector could easily overshadow Ernesto. He claims he could never hate him, but I believe that is a lie
Why doesn't Hector have his own spirit guide?
Lois 128 After what he did to Hector, he doesn’t deserve to have one.
I showed this movie to my sister who didn't like Ernesto from "the get go" She also knew a bunch of things about Disney tending to highlight the villains in lime green. She spoiled the whole movie for herself by the time competition started down to the fact the Hector was actually Miguel's great great grandfather.
Then there's me who is always surprised at plot twists that rarely surprise eight year olds.
And I'm also the one that wants to be a detective... XD
Lol
Yea look for another career
Heh, I did the same thing with Zootopia.
I was wondering also how coco kept hectors photo and his letters/poems for all those years and Imelda never found them?
Queen B maybe she kept them in her diary or someplace else privet and emelda respected her privacy?
I don’t think he regretted it, he knew what his dream was and he wasn’t going to let anything stand in his way.
Ernesto is showing all the Hallmark signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I totally agree with your interpretation, Isaac, and I would like to build upon that by offering this observation.
Can you do Mama Imelda's full and back story and how she met Hector
Inna Grorge yeesss, they are a lovely couple
How would he know?
Yesss
Not much is known about their backstory.
YASSSSSSSSS
One thing to keep in mind Ernesto had to bury hectors body fairly early after they left so that no one would remember him
Movie: *beautiful music in the background, jus downright graceful* “Ernesto de la Cruz, what did it take to seize your moment?”
Issac: *juts cuts in and ruins the peaceful scene* “EVERYTHING.”
If Ernesto regretted what he did, he wouldn't have acted as malicious as he did in the movie. Sure he would've felt uneasy talking about it talk less about revealing what he did, but he showed no regret at all. Even when Hector at the end only wanted to be remembered by his daughter n didn't even care about the fame, Ernesto still wouldn't give him that and he tried to murder Miguel, his great-grandson as well. So as much as his passion might've been real and genuine, the moment he killed Hector he became truly evil.
Am I the only one that genuinely thinks Ernesto could, to a degree, be a psychopath? He's got the charm, the inflated sense of self worth, he's a good enough liar to fool lots of people, he's manipulative, I really don't think his guilt or remorse for Hector was as fake as his career. Why I say I think he didn't feel guilt is he got Miguel taken off, even when fully under the belief Miguel was his great-great-grandson. He quickly turned sour when Miguel found out the truth, and used a line Miguel took seriously as motivation (seize your moment), he refuses to take responsibility from my personal view, and he's a criminal. He tried to kill a 12 year old for getting in his way and did so without much remorse. If you've seen Infinity War, you'll get what I mean with this sentence, even Mantis said "He mourns!" after Thanos did a very similar thing, but Ernesto only cared when he realized it was broadcasted and even then, it was caring about how HE looked, not how Miguel was.
You got me when you explained that Ernesto convinced himself what his identity was. That made sense of his character
No Ernesto knew exactly what he was doing and felt absolutely no remorse for killing his best friend Hector...as seen in the movie "Security! Take care of him...Miguel Will be extending his stay" meaning once he had money and power he killed all his competition in music as well! (My theory)
Make sense
I just saw Coco a few days ago, and yes, I am in love with this movie. :)
I think I can understand wanting a dream so badly that you feel at times you'll fight tooth and nail to get it. I am a writer, and one day I want to be a bestselling novelist, and when I was younger, that dream was almost killed multiple times by my dad, but in the end, that only made the dream stronger. :)
However, holy hell, Ernesto, if you wanted to keep a part of Hector alive, you wouldn't have killed him! There are good and bad things to be said for wanting to do anything to make your dream a reality. And yes, the human mind can be so twisted as to rationalize any deed, good or bad, to achieve your goals. And I can agree that Ernesto did believe he knew what he did was wrong, but I don't think he felt any remorse for it, especially since he was exactly the same in the Land of the Dead, if not worse. He knew that was what he felt he needed to do to achieve his dream. While he may see himself as a villain of some kind, I think he was even more his own hero, since no one really sees him/herself as being bad. I'm always reminded of Palpatine's attitude in Revenge of the Sith, when he started swaying Anakin over to the dark side. Anakin tried to make the argument that the Jedi are a force for good, but Palpatine said they were only good from their point of view, which means the other side, the Sith, and other wrongdoers, see themselves as in the right. Whether Ernesto knew he was wrong or not, he still did what he did feeling completely justified within himself.
In the case of Ernesto, I think we've all seen this kind of psychopathic behavior before, whether we've met these kinds of people or not. Psychopaths or sociopaths are excellent liars and manipulators, and they will say or do anything to look the ways you want them to look if that means it will move them forward in their ulterior motives. So when Ernesto gave Hector all those compliments ("I would move heaven and earth for you" I think was definitely him being cocky and saying he could get away with anything, because yeah, for a long time, in this world and the next, he kinda did), those were all just things he knew Hector and others would have liked to hear from him.
And, despite all this, though, I'm gonna come out and say this right now, Ernesto is charming as hell. I mean, OMG he's hot! LOL But actually, that's what makes him all the more dangerous. It's often really attractive people who possess Ernesto's traits that are the most alluring and believable. Then when they're exposed, it can be heartbreaking to see that someone who seemed so charming and beautiful could turn out to be so awful, like they were just too good to be true. I kinda got that vibe as I watched how nice Ernesto was pretending to be when he met Miguel, he was too nice to him and so quickly, I thought, what's your angle? Besides, at that point, we had so much more of the movie to go and I knew we had to get to know more of Hector, so naturally something was amiss. XD
Anyway, my two cents on this guy. Great video! :D
AishaVonFossen wow
answer for the question of the day: no i doubt he does, he goes about his life (and after-life) without so much a thought for his old "amigo". i really think he doesn't care about hector what if he was a sociopath who just wants to be successful with the love of all. just a thought
I have a highlighted comment!!!! 😆😆😆😆
It's funny how Miguel is my first name, I even have the "dimple"!
U said
"Not just un poco loco thats just crazy"
But un poco loco means a little bit crazy
"Gosh Ernesto that's not un poco loco”
Yup that is MUY LOCO
I think Ernesto probably did regret killing Hector. For one, they were best friends. And secondly, Hector was the genius songwriter behind De La Cruz's hit music. Ernesto didn't have the talent to write new original songs after Hector's death, and so, he couldn't have continued his success on the handful of songs Hector wrote in his lifetime.
Ernesto didn't regret it at all. If he did feel guilty then he would have apologized to Hector with all his might but no he did it again with no remorse in his eyes and was about to kill Hector twice and kill Miguel
I don't think he regretted anything due to the fact that he really wanted Fame and Fortune more than anything and he even showed that he's willing to do that even after death by killing Miguel it's so needed to be and he was going to do it and then go back out on stage like nothing it happened so I don't think he regrets it at all
I love the fact you always have the movie you’re talking about behind you
I admit Ernesto is a passionate musician but his heart was more reliant on Hector's lyrics. If Ernesto tried creating his own lyrics he would've been as successful as his voice (or maybe he's more into the fame and fortune than creating music himself).
👍I think, just as you said in your theory, a part of Ernesto de la Cruz did regret for a split moment. But he wanted the world to know him as the greatest musician ever amd without Hector's songs he became desperate. He didn't want people to forget him as a one hit wonder; Ernesto de la Cruz wanted to become a legend.
He may have the singing talent as a musician, but not the heart and soul of a true musician. He would have known that being a true artist means writing your own songs and finding your own inspiration instead of gaining fame and fortune the dishonest way. A true legendary figure does not rely on fame and popularity, but on what they stand for in knowing what life is really all about.
Ok let's he honest , no matter how stone hearted someone is , they would never be able to escape the regrets that person made in the past , even something as cruel as murder
Miguel's doe-eyed adoration of Ernesto goes from cute and funny to sad and tragic after the reveal.
I think that Ernesto’s “The music isn’t just in me; it IS me” wasn’t so much his own identity as he wanted other people to see him as a creative genius. I also think the reason why he put the murder he committed into one of his movies (but with himself as the hero) is the same reason he needed Hector to write songs for him: while Ernesto is a great performer, he’s actually not that good at coming up with original ideas. I agree that Ernesto probably didn’t have much of a connection to any family he had in Santa Cecilia. In fact, if he grew up in an emotionally neglectful family, that would explain why he went to such extreme lengths to get fame: if he couldn’t get validation from his own family, he would get it from being admired by the world. But I doubt that he regretted anything he did - at least not while he was still enjoying the perks of the fame that he literally killed for - because if he had, it probably wouldn’t have been so easy for him to attempt to kill Miguel. If it was really Ernesto’s intent to keep a part of Hector alive by singing his songs, I think he would’ve given Hector the credit he was due. Also, being able to rationalize malicious actions doesn’t make them not malicious. Lastly, fun little Coco Easter egg: the town of Santa Cecilia is named after Saint Cecilia, the patron saint of music and musicians.
Saint Cecilia a patron of musical
Cool 👍
at 5:54 why does it sound just like scar from the Lion King.
Scar killing his own flesh and blood, to become king.
Ernesto killing his best friend to become a Great singer
Looking good as always dude! Thanks for another great video!
My pleasure! Happy you enjoyed it!
In the film they literally explained why he betrayed Hector...
You're getting popular now. Good job!
I understand that this is really childish, but can you do one about how the PJ masks got their bracelets and their pajamas or powers
Lason Likes oh yeah! I really hope he does that😍
Ernesto is a well writen character that i love
I feel perhaps ernestos past before music his family was not loving or maybe he was an orphan. Perhaps Hector could of writen songs for ernesto to use on tour while keeping the ones he loves the most to himself.
The last part i feel is they were more like brothers that sadly later on were broken yet i feel Hector needs a moment alone with ernesto that is much bigger than the film gave them especially there past. Even hectors is a mystery family is the key point of coco so seeing the mens past could have a better understanding of eachother
Ernesto could have asked for Hector's songs and let him leave.
When he gets hit by the bell I just imagine those dancers whispering “do we still get payed”
*psst* did he ever have a family?
Gracekim1 I think he did but he probably forgot about them (like how mama coco almost forgot hector) knowing how famous he used to be
I think when he said he miss his family, he meant his parents and siblings, because he was not married.
No
LittenBitten he did if not how will he be famous when hes not born lol
Azfanlofun and pgnlolol what I meant by no was like he had no wife and kids
I would have enjoyed coco so much more if Ernesto was a morally ambiguous character instead of just outright being a villain.
Why? I loved hating him. If I couldn't hate him, then I wouldn't side with the actual heroes as much and it would detract from how heartwrenching it was for them to fight Ernesto and come so close to losing.
It would be a unique touch, but I still love to hate Ernesto since he’s a definition of a sociopath, yet he’s one of the more realistic villains as he only attacks those who get in the way of his fame.
I thought of Ernesto as someone who was incapable of feeling real love for someone. He was very good and saying and doing the right things- but doesn't actually mean them. Actions speak louder than words. Notice when Hector is dying from the poison- Ernesto reaches out and takes his guitar from his dying hands. The very same guitar he would play in his concerts. That's messed up.
If I was Ernesto I'd just ask Hector to mail me songs every month (he was his best friend so I don't see why Hector wouldn't help him out)I'd pay him and give him credit and they'd both be famous and rich it's a win win
That will be better