Exactly... They only want to assert their beliefs to be true and they don't want to be hindered with all those pesky little things like questions, skepticism, a demand for evidence, rationality, and logic.
a lot of these people are probably just on a bit of an ego trip, I mean it gives the the feeling of possessing some kind of power when they can stand around pretending to know something you don't. I honestly feel quite sorry for the elderly when they do this, it's just so stupid it's unreal.
You mean the atheists? Why do you care what people believe or preach? We’re all dead within a few decades. I really don’t understand the human mind. Let them believe whatever they want.
Being gleefully told by a JW that people being infected by HIV was a vindication of their stance on blood transfusions was the most repulsive encounter I ever had.
You should always be suspicious of anyone who is trying to give you information that is meant to be authoritative, and they also tell you that they do not want to "debate".
In my youth I encountered so many people on my job who gave me that excuse when I asked genuine questions about how to do the job. Its painful to see theists doing the same. It shows how unprepared people are to actually exchange information or to teach.
I love how people like yourself are normalizing just walking up to people doing crap like this, and publicly questioning their irrational beliefs. Hats off to you, Aron. You're awesome.
@@diesel_dawg You can, it's not particularly difficult and easy to stay civil. I do it here in Dublin, Ireland, where certain religious groups and individuals like to implore members of the public in the city centre. I don't do it to make them feel uncomfortable, but they inevitably do, especially when a crowd starts gathering to hear their responses to very difficult questions.
I don't bother telling children Santa and the easter bunny don't exist. As long as people dont get in my face with any ideology they can believe what they want.
I'm a tolerant man but back in 1992 at the funeral of one of my best friends Mark, a JW who we all knew approached the widow and told her that she could see Mark again if she read and followed the teachings in the bunch of pamphlets he tried to give her. It was one of my few intolerant moments.
My mother, the JWiest JW I've ever seen - does stuff like that. This was after she added insult to injury by not even going inside the church for the funeral because just going in would be like being a part of Babylon the Great. She would wait in her car and wait for it to be over and for ppl to come out. It always embarrassed me to no end and I felt so bad. It's a shameful thing to do. She also read the obituaries to this day and sends letters to funeral homes to the family of the deceased with pamphlets in those letters. It's so bad.
When I was JW it left a bad taste in my mouth. It’s a consent violation. A mourning person isn’t in a good state of mind to consider something like that.
As a former JW, I can tell you, when JWs go out to peach, it’s very one sided - they are there to preach to you, not the other way around. They’re also extremely good at putting their heads in the sand, so no matter how good an argument you have, how much evidence you have, it doesn’t matter. The best way to get through to them would be to be as kind and polite as you can, show some interest in their religion, ask some thought provoking questions that will hopefully sow some seeds and make them think. That’s the best you can hope for.
@@noelbartley1084 im not a witness but i think they are hard done by ,the ones i know are hard working folk who just seem to want the best for others ,i was always under the impression that they followed Bible teachings closely ,theres many denominations which lack the desire and commitment as the Jehovah witnesses.
My snake talks to me all the time, last night we had a very deep philosophical conversation about the nature of reality. Then I took my meds and he refused to talk to me 😢
to be fair, they basically were at certain moments. Their only response to what Aron was saying was to repeat the same couple things over and over. If people aren't willing to in some way at all defend what they believe, then why do they believe it? lol
Oh yeah more science in the world is just what we need!!! Look where science has gotten us. Atomic Bombs. Chemicals poisons and drugs. Big pharma. Plastics. Pollution. Modern war. A long list of crimes against humanity and life. "We own the science" comes to mind...now who said that?? Oh and don't forget the agenda driven politicisation science has been corrupted by. Covid variants and vaccines. Yes...more science is all we need...
I like how the Jenovah Witness snake oil salesman was just standing there blabbering about his snake oil Bible and whatnot without actually showing anything.
I was raised in JW until I left home when I was 15 years old. I'm a scientist now but I still love my mother and father but it was a hard road getting there. I don't blame them for what they did because they were only doing what they thought was right but it still doesn't change the fact that I was taught fundamental false truths. I believe we should teach our child to be able to make informed decisions based on factual truth.
As a former JW I can tell you that we were specifically told not to engage in "debates." See the "Organization" only wanted people who listened, but didn't counter their words. It made me realize they were scared of losing members.
They are more than 8 million strong Mr. Balony, and who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
@@alexshatner3907 if you're going to use the bible please start with explaining to me why I should take the bible as the "word of God". I am asking seriously and not making fun of you I truly mean it. I have no reason to believe any of these are any truer than any of the other holy texts from other religions, or even the myths from Greek and Roman religion.
@@egonzalezjr555 You are a waste of time, In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ counseled: “Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.” (Mt 7:6) Evidently Jesus meant that, if a person shows that he is like a dog or a swine, with no appreciation for spiritual things, one should not further endeavor to share spiritual thoughts and teachings with him. Such corrupt persons would only trample upon valuable spiritual things and abuse or injure anyone endeavoring to share these with them.
That's missinformation. You know full well it's nothing to do with winning or losing, it's just not humble. shame on you for spouting rubbish. You know ex Witnesses, they're totally obsessed with JWs and comment on anything they can find JW related. move on with your life bro.
JW's are completely conditioned to stop thinking the moment someone tries to get them to think critically about their beliefs. They do this in order to avoid being convinced of anything else. This is a great example of that in action. Great work, Aron.
I like how they are pacifist but that's about it. Not exactly Bible scholars and they are super easy to run circles around, like the Mormons. One of the guys who translated the NWT had no formal training in Hebrew and so it's not as good as the NRSV or NASB.
@@stevecinneide8183 Why like Mormons? JW's... as much as I think they're just as dumb as the next religion, are basically the exact same as every other form of Christianity. They don't believe in the Trinity, hell, and think the Earth is where people will live when they're resurrected after everything happens. They just have a very slightly different interpretation of what The Bible says than other sects. But yeah, they do also have their own flawed version of The Bible, but.... I can't even speak on that since literally EVERY version is BS.
I love your body language here. You know you're a big guy so you confront them without appearing threatening. Respectful distance, hands behind your back so they can't possibly accuse you of trying to intimidate them. Just logically destroying them peddling their false worldview.
Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
Churches provide a community which provides value to them. It's not hard to understand. Guy is passive aggressive af....all of you are. You are a religion just like them, only based on science that is 2000 years newer but still incomplete. You still take it and run with assumptions like they did. There definitely a few solutions to the Fermi Paradox that would be closer to their worldview than yours, so just chill. Only difference between an atheist and an agnostic is the level of arrogance and narcissism. Hopefully you can internalize that someday. They are more abused than you are these days, which is why I take their side. I don't like assholes no matter their beliefs .
Body language does make a huge difference. I work in daycare, and kids respond to body language pretty sharply. I’m a big guy too with tattoos and piercings so I always gotta be aware of that and soften my appearance as much as possible. The kids love my tattoos and call me a girl because I have earrings. We’re working on the sexism thing. But the point here is that despite my conventionally scary facade, the kids are certainly not intimidated by me. No, they are not. Little bastards….
@@alexshatner3907 In bible parlance, the "the original serpent" was created "more crafty" by the self-proclaimed Lord Almighty for the convenient use of Satan, his partner in crime.
They rang my doorbell the other day. I told them I wasn't religious. They asked if they could leave some pamphlets. I said no. They asked if they could talk to me face to face (I was talking with them via video doorbell). I said no I am not interested. They left peacefully. If I was actually home, I would have invited them in to have the same discussion that Aron just had. These are really good discussions to have. Some might even thank you later.
They are impervious to reason... Just as are all the religious... I know rational intelligent educated religious people who can debate & discuss articulately on history, economics and politics.. But when it comes to their religion, rationality and science go out the window. They are the same as people who believe in ghosts, black cats being unlucky, fairies living in their garden or that Ayrans are racially superior... It is truly astonishing and I don't understand them. 🙄
Engage with them. I always do. Most of the time after being asked difficult questions for ten minutes they can’t get away fast enough. One exception who kept conversation going and then after three visits came in for a cup of tea is now a fried of 30 years. We still have very different world views but we debate like gentlemen.
My cousin had a traumatic accident as a child and was denied medical care due to his parents JW beliefs. As a result he suffered brain damage, and somehow lingered on into his thirties until he died. They dumped him in some home and never talked about him. It's one of many things that turned me against religion.
Jehovah Witnesses believe that blood substitutes can be used, so a person doesn't need to have a blood transfusion. They don't understand that blood takes oxygen to all parts of the body including all the organs. They don't understand that the brain will start to die from lack of oxygen if the blood loss is too severe. Unless there is red blood cells to carry that oxygen, the brain is going to suffer. But that's what they want, so let them have what they want.
@@iqdog It was actually even worse. My uncle ended up having a triple heart bypass in his old age and required much of the same treatment he denied his son. It's sick what religion does to people.
I'm an MD and I know of a case at our hospital where a single mother of 4 needed a transfusion during childbirth. JW sent in their death squad to make sure she didn't consent. Now her five kids are orphans and to JW this was a win. They're just plain evil.
Here is your answer from bible support, Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
Some JWs came to my door a month ago, and they were the same way, peddleing a self help pamphlet, couldnt answer any of my questions, and just kinda stared out to in space when I asked them. Funny to see these guys outside of an Atheist convention like this lol
I had some JWs come to my door at 11am of a Sunday. I said, "If your god is so all-powerful, then why didn't he tell you I work third shift and you just woke me the ++++ up?" Never seen one since.
These guys proselitise everywhere. I have been a doctor for 25 years in my country and outside every public hospital (and some private ones) there is a stand just like this one. So I have been seeing JWs proselitising for 25 years in an almost daily basis. I am a surgeon and have never had any trouble treating or operating any JW. Here the law is that you just cant let someone bleed to death (it is a crime called omission of help with death as a result, the time in jail is the same as for murder and the penalty is worse if you have the means and witheld it from the patient, and even worse if you are a doctor), so I had never had any problems with that, i just said that I would do my best as I always did to everyone else and avoid a transfusion but if it came to that I would not risk their lives because the law of the country forbid me that and would not be going to jail. That seemed to make it all right, and I performed a number of surgeries in JWs. But most of my colleagues in the hospital did not have that manner of thought or were afraid of JWs sueing, and began bringing that to rounds and meetings. Little did we know there was a doctor who was a JW himself. He would talk to the JW patient and take them into his private practice, and now he is the JW doctor in town and made his carreer take of by taking out of the public health system JWs into the private system where they would pay him. That is an ethical infringement here in my country but no one talks about this because this doctor ir now in the big leagues. So much about religion being the source of abolute morals.
@@NCMemoryMakers : I was speaking euphemistically, equating "damned soul" with not being saved. Regardless, while they don’t believe in hell, they do believe that non believers will suffer a second death when they’re thrown into "the lake of fire." So…po-tay-to, po-tah-to. However, I don’t understand how they ad-hoc away the "for eternity" part of the burn in a lake of fire for eternity passage in the Bible, but that’s neither here nor there. And yes, I do know Jehovah’s witnesses personally.
@@NCMemoryMakers : Actually, the Jehovah’s witnesses I know can talk about little else besides their beliefs. Now that you’ve had a chance to read my last comment, please enlighten me how I’ve misconstrued their beliefs ("their beliefs" meaning the beliefs expressed to me in person by people in my family). It should be very entertaining to hear you explain how you know the things they said to me, that you weren’t around to hear, better than I know those things. Lay it on me.
@@______IV I already did. JWs do not use terms like "damned soul", nor do they believe an individual even possesses a soul. I do not have to know what your JW associates said to you, to know what JWs are taught. That is simply not their terminology. And given the propensity of people on your side to distort things, as we saw in this very video, I'd have to have it on better authority that JWs are now referring to people as "damned souls". Also, I am not referring to what JWs do as individuals, in personal conversations. You're trying to move the goalposts. I'm referring specifically to how they are instructed to act when they are in public at their carts. They are not out there "preaching", nor are they attempting to engage people. They have their literature displayed, and talk when confronted. Other than a quick "hello" in passing, they are not out there trying to stop people passing by. Maybe try reading MY comment, and responding to what was actually said.
The robotic glass eyed responses and syllable for syllable repetition of the same lingo as when i was a JW has not changed. It reminds me just how shallow it all really was.
the third guy is their "lifeline" (guardian) in case of trouble. the group has devolved into stand and pose, or refer and deflect to the website [which has a trove of facts showing the conflicting and failed prophecies].
Same, ex-JW as well. And how the mighty tower has crumbled. they cant even give a decent or half-way decent answer. kinda pathetic, at least be able to defend your beliefs. And outside National Atheists Con, what did they expect? they didn't show up with their A-game that's for sure. ;)
Demonstrate evolution. No one was there. Place a pile of letters in a bin Use something to make it explode. Voila ! Our posts will appear..we can read it right there.. The existence of this planet itself in the solar system.. System... Is evidence of care. A mind.. Design.. Attention to detail.. We can take a lot for granted..can't we..
If people want to read a spiritual book set aside the Bible. Take a look at the Tao Te Ching. The Dhammapada. The Bhagavad Gita (Nelson Mandela's favorite in jail) or any of The Upanishads. No date setting. No numbers. No linear time. No identification with ego we find so entrenched in all this commentary. God bless. 🌿🙏🌴
This is fantastic. The whole "Do you have a few minutes to talk about the Bible?" thing really backfired on them! Yes! Let's take a few moments and talk about it. *Also, the whole "We don't push our beliefs on anyone" is bollocks- what about their children? Do they suddenly not count?
@@tommythomas5970 I assume that's addressed to them rather than me? If it's at me (the way it's written) then I'll respond that I'm watching a youtube video....
Exactly what I was thinking, JWs are one to talk about pushing religious beliefs onto other people. Their families in particular. Imagine completely ghosting family members because they don’t share your religion.
My mom did that, too! It started because it gets really hot and humid where we live and she just invited them in to let them cool off. Gave them some iced tea, she was really just being nice. They almost immediately after sitting down started doing their sales pitch. My mom smiled, pointed at their Bible, and said, "You will convince me if you, a black woman, can justify why the book you live your life by not just condones but demands slavery and women as property." My mom was raised Irish Catholic by abusive parents. She has no patience for hypocrisy. The JWs stammered a bunch then said they needed to get going. Their only defense was to run away.
@@tuckerbugeater at least he is not deluded! That's why he is not bying all that supernatural bullshit! Since evolution is proven to be a fact beyond a shadow of a doubt we know that we are nothing but a species of apes nothing more nothing less! So, ALL religions and ALL their stupid and often cruel doctrines ( sin and original sin, afterlife, prayer, soul, heaven and hell etc) can ALL be thrown right in the trash! There is not a shred of evidence for the existence of ANY god or Allah or whatever name they gave to their non-existing celestial dictator!
Well done, Aaron. You're civil but relentless. The JW in charge had to come to the rescue of his brethren, a scene I've witnessed a few times while engaging with cult members. That's when you know they're struggling. I got the feeling the other two members were shaken by this brief but intense challenge.
Some persons participating in the ministry are new members and have very limited abilities since they are in the process of learning the basics. The brother who introduced me to the JWs had no such difficulties.
@Falcon2 sorry, but I disagree. The 2 look defeated and cowed, appear at a loss and perhaps to be questioning their some of their assumptions. They completely lost their confidence, prompting senior JW to intervene. To your other point, Aron did all in his power to avoid being physically intimidating and was never insulting or demeaning to the JWs. He WAS relentless and gave no quarter. When you dismantle patently absurd, childish arguments, it can appear patronizing, but that's not the fault of the dismantler.
@Falcon2 I think it's a mix of both. Agree that they really weren't questioning their own beliefs, but I think that's cause they aren't capable of doing so. They were asked direct questions "about what they teach.." and were unable to respond. I was raised Catholic and could have done a better job than they did responding as 'devil's advocate' to Aron's questions.
WOW. what an intelligent opening point.. Snakes cant talk.... Its obvious to them hes not there talk and have an intelligent conversation.. Snakes cant talk, no vocal chords. Gotcha... Like a CHILD... jeeezzz so fuckin cringe... Get a life dude.... pathetic
Im more educated, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
Aron, as an exJW myself, let me thank you for your work. Back when I was their age we have tried, and failed, to debate you. They crack me up now though. "We don't debate but if you're sincerely interested in learning we can show you....blah blah blah. What they mean by "studying" is you sit there, be quiet, we'll read from our literature and you won't ask any questions that are not answered in the paragraphs. They crack me up
Me too f4rnsworth, I was born into this cult. What they are actually saying is, “we don’t stand a chance in debating you, but we’d like to direct you to our programmers” 🐑🐑🐑
As for the “it’s ok if you don’t believe the bible”, that translates as “you’re going to d i e shortly at Armageddon, and we like that idea, because you’re now challenging our unfounded claptrap, and making us feel uncomfortable.”
So true, if they do a bible study with you, you're basically expected to be awed by cherry picked bible verses and expected to believe whatever they tell you without skepticism. Too many questions and they get flummoxed.
"You are not our target demographic sir, we only like to target people when they are down and out because that is when they are at their weakest. Come back when you are less resolved. "
I have never been very religious throughout my life. I grew up with JW on my dad's side and hardrock Baptist on my mom's. I was made to go to both churches all the while each side was always telling me how the other side was wrong. My full breaking point was when my daughter died. I kept asking what I did for God to punish me when I spent my life doing for others and never myself. I blamed my self told myself it was a test all the bs you tell your self. Then it clicked I felt so dumb I understood that it was out of my control and that if there was a God that it would me messed up for him to test or punish me with my daughters life. I'm completely atheist while being married to a women who grew up pentecostal and it's never caused issues she just asked that I wait till my kids are older to tell them how I feel but I respect her enough to keep to myself even though her family pushes religion on my kids but every so often I will say something to my kids to make sure they aren't to far gone with brain washing I have to keep them grounded in some reality lol.
@GoldenNinja Good for you. Depending upon your kids' ages, try giving them science books that explain the natural world (origins of the cosmos, diversity of life on earth etc.) without the superstition or magic. Doesn't have to be obvious like the God Delusion by Dawkins (just yet!!).
Sincere condolences. You are not first, nor last to experience lost of your beloved one. God's mercy is showing us the suffering of this world so we can understand that everything in this world is temporary and often times full of suffering when our beloved ones die for example. This world is not meant for us to enjoy, but to understand the reality of this world - it is temporary and full of suffering, how can we be happy in such place and find permanent happiness and peace?
If people want to read a spiritual book set aside the Bible. Take a look at the Tao Te Ching. The Dhammapada. The Bhagavad Gita (Nelson Mandela's favorite in jail) or any of The Upanishads. No date setting. No numbers. No linear time. No identification with ego we find so entrenched in all this commentary. God bless. 🌿🙏🌴
@@tomashromnik108 To answer your question, give up the myths, lies and superstitions fed to you by religion and their "faith" in imaginary deities. Life would be much more appreciated.
*Captions:* (Sorry if I got some things wrong. Feel free to correct me in the replies.) JW: "Uh... sharing information." Aron: "Okay, share. " JW: "What are you interested in?" JW: _Unintelligible._ Aron: "Why people believe in religion is what I'm interested in." JW: "Gives them a hope." Aron: "Hope for what?" JW: "For a better future." Aron: "How?" JW: "What question do you want answered?" Aron: "it's the same ones, still." JW: "The bible talked about a time where we don't see the things in world today." Aron: "The bible also says that snakes can talk... and the world was flooded and we know that didn't happen. The bible says a lot of things we know are not true. So... what is the part where you get hope?" JW: "So... I believe what the bible says..." Aron: "Even when it's wrong?" JW: "I don't believe it's wrong." Aron: "You know snakes can't talk. There's no way that snakes can talk. They have a glottis, they don't have vocal cords so there's no way a snake can talk. Magic is not real." JW: "It's true." Aron: Magic fruits, blessings, curses, they're both positive or negative enchantments and enchantments are magic. So is water bending, necromancy, all of that stuff's in the bible. The bible talks about a lot of magic. Talks about wizards, talks about blessings... curses.... so, where's the "hope" part? What are you hoping for?" JW: "Well, If you wanna read the scripters in the bible, it talks about the hope plea." Aron: "Well, I do bible study every week, I haven't seen anything that I could possibly interoperate as "hope" for someone.... So where is that?" JW: _Unintelligible._ "--Revelations 21, 3 and 4 talks about it at times that the things that we see... existing in the world today don't exist." Aron: "Give me an example." JW: "Do you have a bible?" Aron: "...Do you? Do you need one? I mean, you believe what you believe, so can just tell me why you believe." JW: _Unintelligible._ Aron: "Yeah, I try to be additive. The most important thing to me is truth and therefore I don't want to be fooled into believing anything that is not evidently true. _(Unintelligible.)_ --If it's not evidentially true, if it's something you can't confirm when you take the position, well then maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. But in the case of the bible, we know for absolutely certain that Adam and Eve is comparable based on elder mythology _(Unintelligible.)_ --primarily. We know the global flood never happened, the tower of babel never happened _(Unintelligible.)_ I've interviewed a whole lot of bible scholars... that stuff ain't real." JW: "That's what you believe." Aron: "That's not what I believe. It's what we can demonstrate. We can prove the global flood never happened. And even if it did happen that would only be a blight against the idea of god. And so with hell. Do you guys believe in hell?" JW: "I don't believe in eternal torment, no." Aron: "I'm glad of that. That's one of the fortunate things about the way I was raised, I was raised by a Mormon family, the scripters talk about hell, the scripters, clearly believe in hell, but my family didn't... So, I didn't get a lot of that fire and brimstone. Now, my wife, she was raised by a divided family. Catholic on one side _(Unintelligible.)_ one the other, both telling you that your family are gonna go to hell, with no justification whatsoever. And... she had a problem recovering from that, getting away from that because it gets so ingrained the fear, the terror, it's totally abusive. So I'm glad you guys don't believe in that... but you still believe snakes can talk. That's the problem... isn't it?" JW: "We believe what the bible says." Aron: "Why? Why do you believe what the _(Unintelligible.)_ says?" JW: "It's true." Aron: "it's not true. It's lies." JW: _Unintelligible._ Aron: "No, it's demonstrable. The truth is what the facts are, what we can show to be true. We cans show that the bible is not true." Civilian: "Aron." Aron: "How you do?" Civilian "Good." JW: "Well, if you guy's have more questions, you can visit the website, but something we don't like to do is debate, you know, because--" Aron: "That's what I want, I want an interaction, I want to know why you guys have bought into this." JW: "Well, we're not buying into it, like we said you could always go visit our website." Aron: "You're not bought into it? You're not standing out here pushing placards, you're not here right now, you're just an illusion?" JW: "Well, that's why we said you could always go to the website if you have more questions." Aron: "And who's gonna answer them? How am I gonna reason with the website?" JW: "Well... something you could do, I mean it's just like anything you could sit down, read whatever it is, right?" JW: 'It's research it's all apart of research." Aron: "It's what I do. So, tell me what it is, the part I'm supposed to read?" JW: "Well, just information, yeah, something on the website." Aron: _(Unintelligible.)_ "--So every religion proclaims their collection of lies, to be the absolute truth and reveal to be the one true god, even if they can't agree who the god is. So, none of that is true. No religion can show they are ever truer than any other religion." JW: "And here's the thing, so we as Jehovah's Witnesses, we don't try to enforce any _(Unintelligible.)_ --So I mean, we respect your opinion, so if you don't believe in the bible it's ok." Aron: "I believe in reason, so I want you to reason with me." JW "Well, the thing we don't do is, we don't try to debate. So if you would like to sincerely acquire some more knowledge, I can actually sit with you at one of the tables, to talk, you know I can show you scripters, what the bible says _(Unintelligible.)_" Aron: "If you could do that, I'd be happy to do that." JW: _(Unintelligible.)_ (This no joke took me 3 hours to write. Hope it helps.)
Yea trash talker, Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
For those wondering: "But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
Love the atheist’s body language. Hands behind the back, completely non threatening and open to listening to the JW folks. Thanks for sharing your open dialogue. Taking them off script was masterful!
I suspect they wanted to say, "if God wants a snake to talk, the snake will talk", but they knew it couldn't be proven and didn't want a debate. Aron would be wasting his time if it weren't for the filming that reaches others.
Jehovah's Witness follow Gods word by the word. Jesus set True Christians the perfect example, that example was followed by first century Christians after Jesus died. They were 'not part of the world' just as Jesus 'was no part of the world.' Jesus told them, 'if people wont listen, keep moving on to the next...' Jesus' followers did just that. Jesus had the power to fight back but didn't, his disciples also didn't. God is looking for honest, peaceful, reasonable and loving people to find him, the debates as this guy is presenting is what Jesus and his followers avoided. Jehovah's Witnesses follow that same path because they know it to be Gods word. Talking snake? God created his angels with MUCH power, Satan appearing as a snake and talking was very easy for Satan to do.
@@markuse3472 not being "a part of the world" is a tactic to keep people isolated Abusers keep their victims isolated and vulnerable so that they have no options but the abuser. It's the same thing cult leaders do. Listening to the words of "worldly" people could provide you safety. They might be able to meet your needs. They might love you unconditionally. The people most likely to help build you up are called the most dangerous. The ones you absolutely must avoid. The subversives. Every cult has a word for people who challenge the ideology, what do you call them? I like the name scientology gives them, personally. Look it up, see if you like it better than your name for them.
I hope you can get some footage of the sit-down with the third guy! He sounds pretty confident that he can clear up any confusion and misunderstandings AronRa has, lol.
Guy sounds like he would also respectfully converse with Aron. Would be a good conversation for sure. Guy is no match - but a refreshing change from people like Kent
@@Tragpie33353 I disagree. He is clearly the senior fellow there and a company man. This is why he turned up when the original two looked like they were uncomfortable. Directing a person who presents a challenge to your world view to ‘the website’ is a tactic to get rid of you. He is likely to resist all opportunities to honestly assess ‘outside information’ as he is trained to do. I would love to be proven wrong and for him to agree to honesty look at Aron’s evidence on video.
Nice job Aron. I love the questioning or *"Socratic method"* of *epistemology.* Instead of just telling people how they are wrong, one asks people questions about their *"faith"* which makes them have to actually *think about their reasoning* for their *belief system.* It's so sweet to watch a lot of them become very *uncomfortable* while answering, as they *think about* and actually *hear* what's coming out of *their own mouths.* ;-)
Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
@@alexshatner3907 You're changing what the Bible says. The Bible says that the snake spoke (which we have no scientific evidence for). Your claim is that a spirit person (which we also have no scientific evidence for) made the snake appear to speak. That is not what the Bible says, it is not a more reasonable explanation, and it does not make sense in the context of the story, especially since God then cursed the snake to crawl on it's belly afterward. Then again, punishing random passers-by who had done no wrong is fairly consistent with the Bible's depiction of God's personality. See God "hardening Pharoh's heart" for no benefit to anyone so that he would have the illusion of justification to punish an entire country of people, or Jesus cursing a fig tree for being out of season, or allowing Satan to double-dog-dare him to kill Job's family. "Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles?" Well, since we have no evidence to demonstrate that there are any such spirits, no. You claim that Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, but where are the magic-practicing priests today? Where are the enemies of God performing miracles now? Certainly not on camera. "Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk?" Yes, it is rather far-fetched the believe that something we have no evidence exists could have been the cause of anything. "Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects." Ventriloquism can be an impressive skill to master, but if you consider it baffling, you are far too easily confused. And convincing special effects are typically created by computers, or in the case of practical effects, forced perspective and very specific camera angles. We can demonstrate how these work, and more importantly, that they do exist in the first place. Talking snakes? Staves turning into snakes? God? Satan? Not so much.
@@StarDotJPGThat is exactly how Satan would have responded, "good Job" Go ahead and defend Satan. That is what he wants people to believe. You would make a good defense attorney for your father “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” (Joh 8:44)
As a former JW this was absolute gold. They seem to have nonissue enforcing protections for CSA perps, debiting Blood Transfusions, shunning their family. Bunch hypocrites! Loved it, if there was any follow up please post.
They never had the carts when I was an active JW. Before that we actually had to answer questions then as you would know. Of course it was always WT bull.
In their defense, shunning family and friends is something virtually every religion endorsed at one point so it's not unique to JWs but I get where you're coming from. My dad was briefly involved with them but got banned when they found out he liked action movies or something stupid. Their KHs look like a dentist building and while I'm not a Catholic apologist, there's something to be said about how ugly millenarian churches are.
@@Robert_W7 I recall before the carts and having to know actual answers and actually be able to defend anything. Most JWs now just cant, don't know how or just cringe bc they know its all BS. Even back then I knew something was off didn't want to loose my only family (did anyway and current shunned....even at that was best thing to leave and salvage my mental health). Love this as shows how shallow they have become, cant even answer simple questions.
@@Robert_W7 no, the cards are to allow to come to have a friendly conversation to those who want to speak and not argue. Ppl can come and talk willingly.
That Elder had to step in and block you from interacting with the other two because you were making too many good points and most JW are not allowed to talk with anyone who has dissenting thoughts about religion.
Despite the poor audio quality, I enjoyed this interaction. I think it shows Aron in a very good way as he inquired politely. He often doesn't pause to let the other people speak, but this time he did, and their answers or lack of answers was very telling. If you spoke to these people later in a quiet place, I'd love to see the recording.
Firstly, thank you so much! It was guys like you that helped set me mentally free of this religion. They had me so brainwashed that even though I was disfellowshipped (excommunicated/shunned) for nearly 8ish years give or take, that I still deep down believed their garbage. I LOVE science and that religion twisted the scriptures and science to make me believe they were completely harmonious (it didn’t help I am like 4th generation JW-well Ex JW now Atheist). To me that is their most dangerous weapon, that and their manipulation of history/stifling of higher education. Like I remember being told in that religion that Noah’s ark had been found and proved the Bible true. Only for the same religion to gas light and say they never said that. Thank you so much for the science you share and the work you do. It’s helped me so much. Your videos on evolution and rebuttal videos of Christian apologists helped so much. You caught on camera their tried and true/latest variation on the brainwash strategy to keep their flock subordinate. The second they hear anything that challenges their beliefs they claim you’re “arguing or debating” and they’re deliberately told to not debate. To only engage with people “who are receptive or have their hearts open to Jehovah” as they put it. Basically, everyone else in their opinion is influenced/controlled by the devil and his demons. That religion controls so much of what they are allowed to learn (no higher education allowed), watch (movies/shows/tv), listen to (music/media) and even their friends and family. My JW aunt just told me “I closed the door on them” because I said I was “gay and atheist”. It’s psychotic and I’m so glad I am free. Thank you again. 🙇🏻♂️💯😎
@@TreeHairedGingerAle For that you'd need to knock on the doors of one of their Kingdom Halls, always wanted to do that. Maybe even hand them some papers to help guide them.
Former Jehovahs Witness here, I’m glad that you went up to these guys and questioned them. There are so many who are trapped in this cult even if they are free mentally. Encounters like this can help them in their journey to wake up and escape.
Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
I don't think they're "free mentally" at all. Their everyday life experienced are impacted in a million ways by the cult. Sadly, they are taught to judge others by proxy "I don't judge you. My God judges you. I just happen to agree with God."
Jehovah's Witness follow Gods word by the word. Jesus set True Christians the perfect example, that example was followed by first century Christians after Jesus died. They were 'not part of the world' just as Jesus 'was no part of the world.' Jesus told them, 'if people wont listen, keep moving on to the next...' Jesus' followers did just that. Jesus had the power to fight back but didn't, his disciples also didn't. God is looking for honest, peaceful, reasonable and loving people to find him, the debates as this guy is presenting is what Jesus and his followers avoided. Jehovah's Witnesses follow that same path because they know it to be Gods word. Talking snake? God created his angels with MUCH power, Satan appearing as a snake and talking was very easy for Satan to do. Jesus and his followers, throughout the whole first century and somewhat into the second, were also seen as a cult. I can guarantee you would have been one of the accusers, too.
Let me give every body reading this a rough day, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
AronRa makes it look easy. Or maybe it's the kilt lol. Also, based on their performance here, it seems like the training in field service discourse is not as thorough as I remember, or maybe it's just that I remember it differently through childhood memories.
Thing is with cults like JW and Mormons it's super easy to expose them, in this case just bring up the fake prophecies and if they deny they ever endorsed those, show them on your phone the magazines from the 1920s and watch them turn white as a ghost.
I'm a form member of Jehovah's Witnesses. I know how impossible it is to reason with them, because this is exactly how I would have reacted. The brainwashing is so thorough that it simply isn't possible to de-convert them; they have to do that themselves. The only reason I escaped was because I wondered why the common consensus of science didn't match my beliefs. It's also how I learned to stop being homophobic and transphobic. "If all of science says one thing, but my religion says another, then why do scientists believe the things they do?" THAT is the question that pulled me out of the brainwashing; nothing else could have. Thank you AronRa for being a part of my journey.
I dunno... I had conversations with a couple of them that came to my door trying to convert me, and I'm PRETTY DAMN SURE that I converted them by the time they left. They didn't outright say it, but there was a very strong vibe that they had felt lied to their entire life LOL!
@@TheJokesterSCR JWs are a cult. It's very hard to leave after they get their hooks in you. I you a husband and leave you wife may divorce you, same if he leaves. If you 18 and leave you parent may shun you. I hope you succeeded but I doubt it. As some wrote earlies you have think your own way out of it. That can work but it can be painful. I'm a lifelong atheist, never a member but have family who are.
Former Witness as well; they’re all trained to “put on the new personality” and therefore all talk the same, have the same intonation, even privately think the same things. It’s a big component of the BITE model, and it’s hard to see the rank and file members on the street as anything more than cult victims.
I've had an extremely similar conversation with a Muslim colleague a day or two ago. She ended up getting angry at me for asking for evidence.. etc, she walked out, not being able to answer my questions, you all know how that goes. In the end I was curious why walking away angrily seemed to be a better solution than rationally explaining and having a normal conversation?
People will get angry because you are bursting their comfort zone. This is just basic human psychology. It makes them happy, it brings them group acceptance, it makes them feel secure and special, and there you are tearing that away. Facts don't matter.
They were out of their league, _as all Magical Thinkers are_ in the face of a _savvy skeptic._ My atheist dad used to like to invite them in, and do what Aron is doing. Let's hear some great Door Knocker stories 😃👍
I had a pair accost me at my front door. I toyed with them awhile, telling them how I was a doctorate level in molecular biology and had previously read in one of their pamphlets how mutations are bad/detrimental....and the quote they were using happened to be from the same biology book I had sitting on my bookshelf. I showed them the whole quote in context...."mutations are detrimental to the organism....BUT majority are neutral and some are beneficial". So their quote mining was at a minimum misleading and more likely just a blatant lie for jesus....They went away and never came back.
They are outside selling their religion, if someone comes along to discuss that is something you could have expected. Aron is completely justified just talking down to them.
My late grandfather used to do that too; he also said it gave them less time to pick on people less well equipped to deal with their BS :) I tried to do the same, but they stopped coming after a while, I think I'm on some sort of blacklist 🤣
My husband had a friend / mentor who was an Anglican lay priest on the weekends and during the week a lawyer who performed our marriage ceremony, I'm pretty certain that Martin knew both of were atheists as we had a largely secular ceremony. One of his favorite thing's to do with JW's is put on his collar prior to answering the door holding a beer.
Wow. My dad is Catholic and my mom is Pentacostal. I was terrified by both about hell too. I totally understand what your wife went through. I don't think it can ever go away, you just learn to live with it. Like any other form of abuse.
same but to a lesser degree (I think). everytime I get that nagging voice of hell in the back of my head, I start to rationally think about it, question my own fear to a point it doesn't know how to answer. Then I think about how Ammit is said to eath you alive if your heart was heavyer than the feather of truth in egyptian mythology. And by that time the fear is gone. I don't fear Ammit by anymeans, and I don't fear him because it was never drilled into me, but the concept is as rational. While other abuse stays with you because it was something actually done to you, either by deeds or words, hell was a threat never enacted upon, never realised. It makes it generally easier to deal with (At least for me) than the abuse which was/is tangeble
@@alberich3099 I totally endorse your methods and am living proof that they are effective. There is nothing as powerful as rational thinking, face on, to challenge, de-activate, and dismantle the thinking behind the irrational fear into harmless components that no longer have power over us. 🎯 😎👍
You definitely DON'T just have to live with the effects of abuse and trauma! 😊 I used to frequent psych wards as a result of mine. I was fortunate to have a psychologist to work with for years, and I found my own creative ways to help myself. I have been re: assessed multiple times and no longer have those mental illness....and my former psychologist is now my friend. 😊 It's absolutely worth every effort for mental health and greater quality of life. We've served our time for crimes we didn't commit. We are worth setting ourselves free from the old mind cages, and find our own, authentic way of living. Our life narrative can be our own, not theirs. 🚀
Incidentally, the name 'Galvin' , a variation of your name, is in my family, too! I have just been doing an in-depth study into its origins. In the case of the Irish ones, long story short, they were originally from France, either Normans, or from Maine, south of Normandy or ŕegions in the North of France, which were all Catholic by law. There were two ways the Galvan's arrived in Ireland in the late 1100s. 1. Presumably as peasants, paid mercenaries, in William the Conqueror's army who invaded and defeated the English in 1066 at the Battle of Hastings. Then to Wales, then with William de Clare (AKA Strongbow) to Ireland in 1169. 2. Or as one of King Henry II 's army as he followed Strongbow to Ireland in 1170, as he was concerned Strongbow was gaining too much power. To summarise, they married Irish women and assimilated into Irish culture. So, you can safely blame Pope Leo III, in 800, for crowning Charlemagne, the Emperor of The Holy Roman Empire for your father's Catholicism! I find context helps makes sense of a lot of things, and allows perspective. Mental freedom is about perspective. Working through issues at close range, and looking at the much bigger picture, I find, definitely helps me with perspective. We have our own ways, and our own individual stories to add to the ancestral tree. The odds of us being alive, and cognisant in this moment are extraordinary. We may as well make the most of it! ✨️
“We don’t like to debate.” That’s bull shit. I’ve debated a couple of JW’s 😂. Most like it when they think they have a chance of converting you, but then give up. Only one enjoyed the debate and kept going lol
From someone who enjoyed debating my beliefs with others, it's what got me to start questioning my beliefs and eventually leave this cult. That's why Jehovah's Witnesses are told NOT to have these types of discussions with someone and to direct them to the website. The governing body KNOWS their shit stinks like everyone else's and don't want their followers sniffing around.
I became atheist from being a JW debating with atheists and realizing our books like the Evolution book straight-up lied and misquoted. It was a quick path to learning the scientific method and skepticism from there. I think that happens to everyone that is in the religion that truly values truth.
My parents divorced when I was a baby and when I finally went to go spend time with him I was about 12. I wanted to know my father but he had become a JW years before. I wanted to go to a ball game or throw a football and talk about father and son stuff. He took me to a Kingdom Hall. I pretended to be sick and made him call my mom to come get me.
Back in 2016 I was homeless in San Francisco. The JWs would hang out at the train station in the Mission during business hours standing next to their cart and brochures. I thought if my circumstances didn't change, I would buy a white sign board and write "I am with stupid" and an arrow on it pointing in their direction, while I sat with a sign that read, "Reasonable philosophical discussions $1.00"
Satan is still proud of you for what you did, but who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
And they still believe that everyone who rejects their god deserves to be slaughtered at Armageddon. And that shunning former members who simply no longer believe is a loving thing. Either forcing people to never speak to their loved ones or live a lie.
If people want to read a spiritual book set aside the Bible. Take a look at the Tao Te Ching. The Dhammapada. The Bhagavad Gita (Nelson Mandela's favorite in jail) or any of The Upanishads. No date setting. No numbers. No linear time. No identification with ego we find so entrenched in all this commentary. God bless. 🌿🙏🌴
I love interactions like this. When people are asked to demonstrate why their beliefs are true there's nowhere they can go. When I was a Mormon missionary (gross I know..) some people pressed me like that and yeah I was super uncomfortable and was like "here's a card, visit the website" also lol. But those uncomfortable encounters were part of what helped me to question and deconstruct my beliefs to be the fellow atheist I am today. I got to the point that I cared about what was true, period. I did have a hard time hearing what was being said though. I'm sure this was a very unplanned impromptu meeting, but if you're gonna do more things like this (and I hope you do), maybe a mic setup would be helpful.
What's so gross about being a Mormon missionary? You didn't sleep with any animals, did you? (In my mission, there was a physically-challenged missionary who was rumored to have tried to have sex with a farm animal.)
I had that discussion with my pentecostal brother in law. It went nowhere. Me: Faith is not a path to truth. Him: Why not? Me: Because faith could lead you to the wrong conclusion. For example, why is your religion the right one, why can't it be Hinduism for example? Faith is not reliable. Him: No, but faith can still lead you to the truth. Me: Possibly, but only by chance. It could also lead you to something that's not truth. Him: But it could lead you to the truth. Me: But how do you know that it's the truth? Him: Because you have faith. Me: But you just admitted that faith is not reliable. Him: I'm not having this discussion. Me: Why not? I want to know what's true and how we can get there by means other than faith, which is not reliable. Him: You can't, because you don't have faith. And I'm not having this discussion. Haven't seen them for 2 glorious, beautiful, peaceful happy years now.
Hi Aron, you are 100% correct. We need more debates to be able to understand each other better. As you well know the word of our lord and savior has been twisted and changed to better serve dark agendas that created nothing but suffering and death in his name. I beleave all this happened because people never question just follow blindly what other people say. For being an inquisitive mind, I thank you. Hope this opens up more minds and invite discussion. This is the gift that makes us human. God bless! 😊. Ps. I hope the discussion was recorded. Would love to see it.
Bruh. "You can always come back to Jehovah" Yeah dude, the Earth is 4+ billion years old but omnipotent god decided to establish the fullness of his church in the 1800's, because fuck the rest of humanity right? Also, what kind of loving diety only wants 144,000 of his children to live with him after this life? Considering the Jehovah's Witnesses have a couple million members worldwide, it sounds like they're competing with each other for exaltation already? Why worry about converting? So someone can out-good you and take your spot? Lmao. Congrats on making it out. Hope your mental health is in a better spot than it was within a cult 👍
great video Aron, I've never had to deal with JW before, but I am in an area of TX (around Lubbock) where there is a lot of bible thumpers. Always love seeing your wonderful videos.
Here you go, let me make it more amazing for you, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
"We're not here to debate" just means they don't have good answers for the questions you raised. They always point to the website as a get out clause or say they need to research your question. Such a cop out. Their "truth" only works on vulnerable minds. Thanks Aaron.
I used to be a member, and watching this reminded me how deluded by doctrine I was. I would often encounter people like AronRa, but I was brainwashed from a young age to believe people like them are wrong, ignorant, and that we have "The Truth". How happy I am to have moved on from this mentality, and learned to view the world more openly.
Happy to hear it. Because the look on their faces, especially the two older gentlemen, was that of judgemental distain. All that seemed to register in their minds when professor Aron asked the question "Do snakes talk?" was "This ignorant man is looking for an argument".
Jehovah's Witness follow Gods word by the word. Jesus set True Christians the perfect example, that example was followed by first century Christians after Jesus died. They were 'not part of the world' just as Jesus 'was no part of the world.' Jesus told them, 'if people wont listen, keep moving on to the next...' Jesus' followers did just that. Jesus had the power to fight back but didn't, his disciples also didn't. God is looking for honest, peaceful, reasonable and loving people to find him, the debates as this guy is presenting is what Jesus and his followers avoided. Jehovah's Witnesses follow that same path because they know it to be Gods word. Talking snake? God created his angels with MUCH power, Satan appearing as a snake and talking was very easy for Satan to do.
What irks me is that they call things that they no longer teach nor believe old truth. and the new things they now preach and believe new truth or new light.
If people want to read a spiritual book set aside the Bible. Take a look at the Tao Te Ching. The Dhammapada. The Bhagavad Gita (Nelson Mandela's favorite in jail) or any of The Upanishads. No date setting. No numbers. No linear time. No identification with ego we find so entrenched in all this commentary. God bless. 🌿🙏🌴
@@simonrankin9177 Not allowed to have non-believe friends (and if you do not have other JW kids in your area, that does in fact mean no friends allowed). If you question the Governing body (JW rulers) you are looked evil and insane. They try to baptize you as young as possible (7/8 year olds are not uncommon, 12 is pretty common, 15ish is very common) and if you get baptized and choose to leave everyone in the religion will treat you as if you were dead (disfellowshipping). You are very often not told about shunning when you are young (EX the really young ones who get baptized do not realize they need to choose religion or family). This means that if someone gets baptized at 7 or 12, if they leave the religion then their parents will ignore them, not talk to them and only take care of their physical needs to the bare minimum required by law and then kick them out as early as legally possible (18 in the US, not sure in other countries) and if you were otherwise faithful and "avoided bad association AKA only build relationships with believers as they require then everyone you know will not even talk to you. My mom used to remind me that back in Jesus day they could stone disobedient children, and fear mongering is a big part of the religion. "Armageddon is constantly just around the corner", "What if Armageddon came this weekend and you were playing video games instead of going out in service", being told if you took part in hobbies instead of service Jehovah would see blood on your hands. The graphic images in the OLD "My book of bible stories", NOT the one they have redone on the website now to make it less graphic. Being told you could lose your life forever if you ate a birthday cupcake. Being harshly criticized for feeling left out of calibrations. Being forced as children to listen to the same bible talks as the adults, even if they include cannibalism of children, genocide, rape, murder and stuff like that. Constantly feeling like you are under scrutiny and being watched and judged. Any free though being harshly criticized and treated as "mentally diseased" if you dared to question the governing body. Being told the rest of the world around you is completely evil and the only good people are the ones in the religion even if they abuse you.
@@chrissmith3509 i dont understand your approach, we all judge people thats human nature, many times we judge in favour of them ... Im sure not all x witnesses are traumatized, millions of them love there faith ,we should maybe here from them
Growing up as a JW who made it out partly because of you, thank you for this Aron! If you ever want an easy W go and talk to them when you see them. They will always have to get back to you on almost everything you bring up lol
I had some JW knock on my door despite telling them previous that I had no interest in religion. So on this particular occasion I was told that the guy had been studying the scriptures for some time. So I asked him what name the "saviour" had been given by his parents? He responded Jesus. I asked if he was sure about that, seen as how to me Jesus's seemed to be a bastardisation of Zues, that is is actually pronounced Hezues in Latin based languages and that his pronunciation was a germanicised version of that Latin origin, and wasn't a Jewish name. He looked bewildered, so I suggested that he should do some more study and come back when he had an answer, that was some years ago and the JW haven't been back. Hopefully he will complete his study so I can question him on something else that he doesn't have an answer to.
If that isn't true, the sky isn't blue. I've had these talks with almost every witness that has come to my door and EVERY ONE of them had to "get back to me" about everything after 10 minutes of talking, and I never saw them again even though I told them I'd like to see them again and continue discussing once they had an answer for me, LOL! My mom was a "witness", my brother dipped his toes in for a few years since his wife was one... So I was raised around their beliefs. They pick and choose what they want to believe The Bible says. Just like every other form of Christianity. But... they're "the truth". -_-
I'd say that's a maybe. I had an old dude call me randomly about telling me the scriptures. I constantly would ask him questions that I learned from street epistemology and Aron and others. We had a 15 mins convo on the phone when I said I needed to go, but please call me again and he said it was a very good talk. Then the 2nd call I found out he was JW and we had another good convo and more than once he didn't know some of the passages and didn't have a method of proving his faith was true against Hindu or whatever. Unfortunately...I never got a 3rd call. I have a bad feeling someone told him not to call my number again. We left on good terms, so that's the only thing I can think of. I hope he finds his way out.
@@iallso1 That's interesting. I've never asked a JW that before. You may have been put on a "do not call list" after that though lol they also havnt been doing much, if any, door to door work since covid.
@@themaster408 You definitely will find some that know their stuff. Its quite nice when you do find a JW that can engage honestly for a while. You may have made the do not call list lol
Aron: why do you believe the Bible? JW: because it's true! Aron: *points out things that aren't true* JW: tHaT's JuSt YoUr BeLiEf This is the sound religion makes as it dies.
I was raised as a JW. Quite a lot of JW's are very good people. They sincerely think they are behaving ethically. Then, as a curious 10 year-old, I began reading science books. Then I looked at JW literature to see their view on subjects like biological evolution. What turned me away from JW's for good is their blatant misrepresentation of scientific evidence and arguments for biological evolution. I thought that if they really had the superior position, they would not have to misrepresent the evidence.
They will sincerely destroy families and ruin lives, while simultaneously believing that they are behaving Ethically. Fixed that for you. They literally believe in a justified genocide. They just wont call it that. Honestly, Their misrepresentation of science is merely one of a thousand manipulation tactics. Not even close to the worst they are guilty of.
Yeah, the Evolution book straight up lies in some instances. And otherwise, misquoted people, lied by omission, or uses association tricks. Using that book to debate people who actually knew science is what got me to gradually wake up.
Here is something scientific for you, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
Found you recently on RUclips. I am stunned by your arguments and how you beat them up to a level, where you have left them looking dumb. Greetings from a Ex- Muslim in Germany!
Nice work, Aron! We went to new orleans for spring break and were at a park where a dad was playing with his kid. He started to asking us weird questions (like how many kids we had) and then asked if we went to church. I proudly said I'm an atheist and the conversation started but he did not know what he was getting into. We went back and forth for 20 minutes but he was all over the place. I quoted some on the horrible things god said in the bible but he said i was misinterpreting it. So much for a perfect word of god! Come to find out he was from a christian mission group that came down from KY in a caravan. I was totally civil but was calling him on his bs. You could tell his questions were scripted. In the end we parted ways and shook hands so hopefully he will go back and tell his group that not all atheists are assholes. I learn by watching you, Aron! 😊
I used to be a jehova s witness. They shut down as soon as anyone wants to question. You get shunned for questioning. But i love how he said "we don't debate, if you want sincerely to know". They always use that against anyone with questions. The ones asking questions are seen as not sincere and the ones that want to debate an idea are seen as not being sincere. I had so much fun watching, the way their body posture changed and just closed down.
JW: set up in public places to engage face-to-face with the public . Also JW: refuse to debate face-to-face and refer you to the website. Congratulations on yr escape.
Jesus had no trouble responding to anyone who wanted to discuss controversial issues. Nether did the Apostles. Matthew 7:28-29 When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching; for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes. Acts 4:13 The members of the council were amazed when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, for they could see that they were ordinary men with no special training in the Scriptures. They also recognized them as men who had been with Jesus.
Love the argument you put across, it’s not what you believe it’s what you can prove. I’ve had arguments with other RUclipsrs about the story of Moses in Egypt and how it couldn’t be true
I had a similar conversation when they approached me while I was on my front lawn. They were quite surprised that I didn't believe in God... they tried to give me the "Look at trees" and watchmaker argument, which I was quite prepared for because of watching Channels like yours and other popular Atheist shows!
@Neal Johnson JWs and Catholics are Christians. No amount of denial from you will change this. Also snakes can't talk. Lastly, the bible is a a hot pile of contradictions.
The moment you are directed to visiting their website is the moment they are trying to move you along so that they don't feel they need to try and answer questions they don't have the answers too.
You can reason with this, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16. Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12. Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely. Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9. Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
I’m sorry you went thru that. I grew up evangelical non denominational and also super traumatized… my parents have abandoned me and I barely have any relationship with them because they are in some type of Christian cult… in Texas…
@@christahewitt2758 I know what you feel I am now just getting therapy for it. I am alone and can't hold relationships or have friendships. I am going to start talking about that on my channel.
Jehovah's Witness follow Gods word by the word. Jesus set True Christians the perfect example, that example was followed by first century Christians after Jesus died. They were 'not part of the world' just as Jesus 'was no part of the world.' Jesus told them, 'if people wont listen, keep moving on to the next...' Jesus' followers did just that. Jesus had the power to fight back but didn't, his disciples also didn't. God is looking for honest, peaceful, reasonable and loving people to find him, the debates as this guy is presenting is what Jesus and his followers avoided. Jehovah's Witnesses follow that same path because they know it to be Gods word. Talking snake? God created his angels with MUCH power, Satan appearing as a snake and talking was very easy for Satan to do.
By “We don’t want to debate”, I get the impression what he means is “We want to preach at you without you asking us any uncomfortable questions.”
They should refer to 1 peter 3:15
" We only answer questions from people with a similar IQ to our own, so double digits only."
Cause they are there to indoctrinate you, not to search for actual truth
Exactly... They only want to assert their beliefs to be true and they don't want to be hindered with all those pesky little things like questions, skepticism, a demand for evidence, rationality, and logic.
That's the same vibe I was getting
They don't want to debate but they set up outside an atheist convention and can't defend their position against simple logical questions. Incredible.
They didn't come to defend they came to offend
a lot of these people are probably just on a bit of an ego trip, I mean it gives the the feeling of possessing some kind of power when they can stand around pretending to know something you don't. I honestly feel quite sorry for the elderly when they do this, it's just so stupid it's unreal.
@@jacal420yes because the word of Christ is so offensive
@@K1forMVP yes. To many who don't condone murder, incest, & ritual sacrifice
"Simple logic". Yall think something cam come from nothing.
They picked the WRONG corner on the WRONG weekend!😂
You mean the atheists? Why do you care what people believe or preach? We’re all dead within a few decades. I really don’t understand the human mind. Let them believe whatever they want.
😂 yep!
LMAO 😂
The only way they could have been more wrong was if they where on the WRONG side of town.
@@DonTheMoron716 Because it has negative effects? With the attitude of "oh we're all gonna be dead soon anyway", why wait and don't end it right now?
Being gleefully told by a JW that people being infected by HIV was a vindication of their stance on blood transfusions was the most repulsive encounter I ever had.
I guess they don't realise a mosquito bite isn't a blood transfusion, or that HIV can be spread through sexual contact 🙄😒
You should always be suspicious of anyone who is trying to give you information that is meant to be authoritative, and they also tell you that they do not want to "debate".
Suspicious??? You're being generous!
Never trust them
In my youth I encountered so many people on my job who gave me that excuse when I asked genuine questions about how to do the job. Its painful to see theists doing the same. It shows how unprepared people are to actually exchange information or to teach.
Maybe they knew debating would be a waste of time ..
@@simonrankin9177 Only if they knew aron or myself to determine neither were willing to learn.
I love how people like yourself are normalizing just walking up to people doing crap like this, and publicly questioning their irrational beliefs. Hats off to you, Aron. You're awesome.
I wish I could do it.
@@diesel_dawg You can, it's not particularly difficult and easy to stay civil. I do it here in Dublin, Ireland, where certain religious groups and individuals like to implore members of the public in the city centre. I don't do it to make them feel uncomfortable, but they inevitably do, especially when a crowd starts gathering to hear their responses to very difficult questions.
@@skateboardingjesus4006 Good work, fella.
I don't bother telling children Santa and the easter bunny don't exist. As long as people dont get in my face with any ideology they can believe what they want.
I did it in the American heartland. Kansas
I'm a tolerant man but back in 1992 at the funeral of one of my best friends Mark, a JW who we all knew approached the widow and told her that she could see Mark again if she read and followed the teachings in the bunch of pamphlets he tried to give her. It was one of my few intolerant moments.
I would go off on them...howd you handle it?
My mother, the JWiest JW I've ever seen - does stuff like that. This was after she added insult to injury by not even going inside the church for the funeral because just going in would be like being a part of Babylon the Great. She would wait in her car and wait for it to be over and for ppl to come out.
It always embarrassed me to no end and I felt so bad. It's a shameful thing to do. She also read the obituaries to this day and sends letters to funeral homes to the family of the deceased with pamphlets in those letters. It's so bad.
When I was JW it left a bad taste in my mouth. It’s a consent violation. A mourning person isn’t in a good state of mind to consider something like that.
So what happened? Any resolution? Or was she simply not allowed to see Mark again?
I'm surprised the JW didn't approach the grieving widow to tell her; "If Mark was not a JW, Mark is now burning in Hell".
As a former JW, I can tell you, when JWs go out to peach, it’s very one sided - they are there to preach to you, not the other way around. They’re also extremely good at putting their heads in the sand, so no matter how good an argument you have, how much evidence you have, it doesn’t matter. The best way to get through to them would be to be as kind and polite as you can, show some interest in their religion, ask some thought provoking questions that will hopefully sow some seeds and make them think. That’s the best you can hope for.
You were never a witness
@@noelbartley1084 so your a jw expert now, humm ?
@@tdomingues89You never a JW..I don't have to be an expert.
Pretend to be interested and ask some thought-provoking questions . Huh do you know what you are talking about
@@noelbartley1084 im not a witness but i think they are hard done by ,the ones i know are hard working folk who just seem to want the best for others ,i was always under the impression that they followed Bible teachings closely ,theres many denominations which lack the desire and commitment as the Jehovah witnesses.
"snakes don't have a glottis, they have no vocal chords, they can't talk." I've never heard it said so clearly ❤
but what about magic snakes???? huh ??
My snake talks to me all the time, last night we had a very deep philosophical conversation about the nature of reality.
Then I took my meds and he refused to talk to me 😢
Lol wow Aron must be a genius!!! Snakes can't talk!!! Yikes. Atheism is for morons.
@@LisaAnn777 Oh man. Up until that last sentence I was going to see if I could buy some weed from you. Never mind I guess.
@@TheDeath138 sure you can by some, it's only 4.2 billion dollars for an eighth 😸
It’s remarkable that you could get JWs to almost be speechless.
They were sober and clearly Aron is inebriated.
to be fair, they basically were at certain moments. Their only response to what Aron was saying was to repeat the same couple things over and over. If people aren't willing to in some way at all defend what they believe, then why do they believe it? lol
@@DonTheMoron716 that is actually worse for their case that he could nuke them from orbit drunk.
@@Refertech101 Okay, that’s kinda funny.
@@acialist Is there no empathy? They’re lead to believe! Show a little empathy! Holy fuck.
Keep up the Good Work, AronRa.
You promote Science in the World. Something we NEED more of.
Oh yeah more science in the world is just what we need!!! Look where science has gotten us. Atomic Bombs. Chemicals poisons and drugs. Big pharma. Plastics. Pollution. Modern war. A long list of crimes against humanity and life. "We own the science" comes to mind...now who said that?? Oh and don't forget the agenda driven politicisation science has been corrupted by. Covid variants and vaccines. Yes...more science is all we need...
I like how the Jenovah Witness snake oil salesman was just standing there blabbering about his snake oil Bible and whatnot without actually showing anything.
I was raised in JW until I left home when I was 15 years old. I'm a scientist now but I still love my mother and father but it was a hard road getting there. I don't blame them for what they did because they were only doing what they thought was right but it still doesn't change the fact that I was taught fundamental false truths. I believe we should teach our child to be able to make informed decisions based on factual truth.
@ScottJackson.those supported by evidence. This discounts religious ideas.
As a former JW I can tell you that we were specifically told not to engage in "debates." See the "Organization" only wanted people who listened, but didn't counter their words. It made me realize they were scared of losing members.
They are more than 8 million strong Mr. Balony, and who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
@@alexshatner3907 if you're going to use the bible please start with explaining to me why I should take the bible as the "word of God". I am asking seriously and not making fun of you I truly mean it. I have no reason to believe any of these are any truer than any of the other holy texts from other religions, or even the myths from Greek and Roman religion.
@@egonzalezjr555 You are a waste of time, In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ counseled: “Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.” (Mt 7:6) Evidently Jesus meant that, if a person shows that he is like a dog or a swine, with no appreciation for spiritual things, one should not further endeavor to share spiritual thoughts and teachings with him. Such corrupt persons would only trample upon valuable spiritual things and abuse or injure anyone endeavoring to share these with them.
That's missinformation. You know full well it's nothing to do with winning or losing, it's just not humble. shame on you for spouting rubbish.
You know ex Witnesses, they're totally obsessed with JWs and comment on anything they can find JW related. move on with your life bro.
Ex-JW here. You're spot on. It's clear they can't defend their faith which is why many JWs became one after they're in a vulnerable position.
JW's are completely conditioned to stop thinking the moment someone tries to get them to think critically about their beliefs. They do this in order to avoid being convinced of anything else. This is a great example of that in action. Great work, Aron.
Catholics and prodestants are the same.
@@gleanerman2195 Not all Catholics; I speak as a former one.
I like how they are pacifist but that's about it. Not exactly Bible scholars and they are super easy to run circles around, like the Mormons. One of the guys who translated the NWT had no formal training in Hebrew and so it's not as good as the NRSV or NASB.
@@stevecinneide8183 Why like Mormons? JW's... as much as I think they're just as dumb as the next religion, are basically the exact same as every other form of Christianity. They don't believe in the Trinity, hell, and think the Earth is where people will live when they're resurrected after everything happens. They just have a very slightly different interpretation of what The Bible says than other sects. But yeah, they do also have their own flawed version of The Bible, but.... I can't even speak on that since literally EVERY version is BS.
Lies.
I love your body language here. You know you're a big guy so you confront them without appearing threatening. Respectful distance, hands behind your back so they can't possibly accuse you of trying to intimidate them. Just logically destroying them peddling their false worldview.
Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
Churches provide a community which provides value to them. It's not hard to understand.
Guy is passive aggressive af....all of you are. You are a religion just like them, only based on science that is 2000 years newer but still incomplete. You still take it and run with assumptions like they did. There definitely a few solutions to the Fermi Paradox that would be closer to their worldview than yours, so just chill.
Only difference between an atheist and an agnostic is the level of arrogance and narcissism. Hopefully you can internalize that someday.
They are more abused than you are these days, which is why I take their side. I don't like assholes no matter their beliefs .
@FighterCK he didn't seem big compared to Mohammed Hijab more like a dwarf
Body language does make a huge difference. I work in daycare, and kids respond to body language pretty sharply. I’m a big guy too with tattoos and piercings so I always gotta be aware of that and soften my appearance as much as possible.
The kids love my tattoos and call me a girl because I have earrings. We’re working on the sexism thing. But the point here is that despite my conventionally scary facade, the kids are certainly not intimidated by me. No, they are not. Little bastards….
@@alexshatner3907 In bible parlance, the "the original serpent" was created "more crafty" by the self-proclaimed Lord Almighty for the convenient use of Satan, his partner in crime.
They rang my doorbell the other day. I told them I wasn't religious. They asked if they could leave some pamphlets. I said no. They asked if they could talk to me face to face (I was talking with them via video doorbell). I said no I am not interested. They left peacefully. If I was actually home, I would have invited them in to have the same discussion that Aron just had. These are really good discussions to have. Some might even thank you later.
They are impervious to reason... Just as are all the religious... I know rational intelligent educated religious people who can debate & discuss articulately on history, economics and politics.. But when it comes to their religion, rationality and science go out the window. They are the same as people who believe in ghosts, black cats being unlucky, fairies living in their garden or that Ayrans are racially superior... It is truly astonishing and I don't understand them. 🙄
theyre ignorant people that think theyre doing good but they have actually been suckered into a dangerous cult
Engage with them. I always do. Most of the time after being asked difficult questions for ten minutes they can’t get away fast enough. One exception who kept conversation going and then after three visits came in for a cup of tea is now a fried of 30 years. We still have very different world views but we debate like gentlemen.
My cousin had a traumatic accident as a child and was denied medical care due to his parents JW beliefs. As a result he suffered brain damage, and somehow lingered on into his thirties until he died. They dumped him in some home and never talked about him. It's one of many things that turned me against religion.
Jehovah Witnesses believe that blood substitutes can be used, so a person doesn't need to have a blood transfusion. They don't understand that blood takes oxygen to all parts of the body including all the organs. They don't understand that the brain will start to die from lack of oxygen if the blood loss is too severe. Unless there is red blood cells to carry that oxygen, the brain is going to suffer. But that's what they want, so let them have what they want.
Oh that is awful..... I'm so sorry!!!
And knowing JW’s, they won’t blame the not having a a blood transfusion. They will gaslight themselves.
@@iqdog
It was actually even worse. My uncle ended up having a triple heart bypass in his old age and required much of the same treatment he denied his son. It's sick what religion does to people.
I'm an MD and I know of a case at our hospital where a single mother of 4 needed a transfusion during childbirth. JW sent in their death squad to make sure she didn't consent. Now her five kids are orphans and to JW this was a win. They're just plain evil.
"well if you guys have questions... you can always visit the website"
this is God's customer support
Here is your answer from bible support, Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
@@alexshatner3907 So basically the bible trying to fool you.. RIGHT ON!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH
😭😭😭
It's all about the website these days, just before I left the cult, it's all they were trained to do.
Some JWs came to my door a month ago, and they were the same way, peddleing a self help pamphlet, couldnt answer any of my questions, and just kinda stared out to in space when I asked them. Funny to see these guys outside of an Atheist convention like this lol
I had some JWs come to my door at 11am of a Sunday. I said, "If your god is so all-powerful, then why didn't he tell you I work third shift and you just woke me the ++++ up?" Never seen one since.
@@trdsf I started rolling a joint... they skeddadled.
@@coreaccount4376 😂😂😂
These guys proselitise everywhere. I have been a doctor for 25 years in my country and outside every public hospital (and some private ones) there is a stand just like this one. So I have been seeing JWs proselitising for 25 years in an almost daily basis.
I am a surgeon and have never had any trouble treating or operating any JW. Here the law is that you just cant let someone bleed to death (it is a crime called omission of help with death as a result, the time in jail is the same as for murder and the penalty is worse if you have the means and witheld it from the patient, and even worse if you are a doctor), so I had never had any problems with that, i just said that I would do my best as I always did to everyone else and avoid a transfusion but if it came to that I would not risk their lives because the law of the country forbid me that and would not be going to jail. That seemed to make it all right, and I performed a number of surgeries in JWs.
But most of my colleagues in the hospital did not have that manner of thought or were afraid of JWs sueing, and began bringing that to rounds and meetings.
Little did we know there was a doctor who was a JW himself. He would talk to the JW patient and take them into his private practice, and now he is the JW doctor in town and made his carreer take of by taking out of the public health system JWs into the private system where they would pay him. That is an ethical infringement here in my country but no one talks about this because this doctor ir now in the big leagues.
So much about religion being the source of abolute morals.
WTF is an atheist convention? Where non believers gather to reaffirm their non belief?
Knowing JWs personally, I have zero doubt they thought Aron was just another damned soul.
TY Aron for all your work.
Then you must not really know JW's personally. They don't believe in the concept of "damned souls".
@@NCMemoryMakers : I was speaking euphemistically, equating "damned soul" with not being saved. Regardless, while they don’t believe in hell, they do believe that non believers will suffer a second death when they’re thrown into "the lake of fire." So…po-tay-to, po-tah-to. However, I don’t understand how they ad-hoc away the "for eternity" part of the burn in a lake of fire for eternity passage in the Bible, but that’s neither here nor there. And yes, I do know Jehovah’s witnesses personally.
@______IV Perhaps you know them personally, and are just not familiar with their belief structure. That's very possible.
@@NCMemoryMakers : Actually, the Jehovah’s witnesses I know can talk about little else besides their beliefs. Now that you’ve had a chance to read my last comment, please enlighten me how I’ve misconstrued their beliefs ("their beliefs" meaning the beliefs expressed to me in person by people in my family). It should be very entertaining to hear you explain how you know the things they said to me, that you weren’t around to hear, better than I know those things. Lay it on me.
@@______IV I already did. JWs do not use terms like "damned soul", nor do they believe an individual even possesses a soul.
I do not have to know what your JW associates said to you, to know what JWs are taught. That is simply not their terminology. And given the propensity of people on your side to distort things, as we saw in this very video, I'd have to have it on better authority that JWs are now referring to people as "damned souls".
Also, I am not referring to what JWs do as individuals, in personal conversations. You're trying to move the goalposts. I'm referring specifically to how they are instructed to act when they are in public at their carts. They are not out there "preaching", nor are they attempting to engage people. They have their literature displayed, and talk when confronted. Other than a quick "hello" in passing, they are not out there trying to stop people passing by.
Maybe try reading MY comment, and responding to what was actually said.
Eeeeee. Ex JW here. This makes me so happy.
Me too!
Same
Same
Same
Any of you watch Telltale Atheist? Shamelessly simping for my boi Owen. He's an exJW content creator you should check him out.
I used to be a Jehovah's Witness myself, so this was quite fun to watch. Thank you Aron!
The robotic glass eyed responses and syllable for syllable repetition of the same lingo as when i was a JW has not changed. It reminds me just how shallow it all really was.
the third guy is their "lifeline" (guardian) in case of trouble. the group has devolved into stand and pose, or refer and deflect to the website [which has a trove of facts showing the conflicting and failed prophecies].
Same here. I feel bad for my former self and the people that are still wrapped up in it.
Same, ex-JW as well. And how the mighty tower has crumbled. they cant even give a decent or half-way decent answer. kinda pathetic, at least be able to defend your beliefs. And outside National Atheists Con, what did they expect? they didn't show up with their A-game that's for sure. ;)
You failed. You might as well thank satan.
“It’s not what I believe… it’s what I can demonstrate.”
That is a concept that flew right over their heads 😢
DEMONstrate?!?!? AHHHHHH DEEEMMOOONNSS THEY'RE TEACHING OUR CHILDREN ABOUT DEMONS IN SCIENCE CLASS BAN SCIENCE AHHH
That's because "demonstrate" has "DEMON" in it. O_O Don't let in the DEMONS OF EVIDENCCE.
I think it has flew over yours mate
@@elliot7205 you must be Christian. It is clear in your comment. Stop to insult yourself please
Demonstrate evolution.
No one was there.
Place a pile of letters in a bin
Use something to make it explode.
Voila !
Our posts will appear..we can read it right there..
The existence of this planet itself in the solar system..
System...
Is evidence of care.
A mind..
Design..
Attention to detail..
We can take a lot for granted..can't we..
One of my best friends is deeply religious and she's SO logical in every other part of her life. It really is crazy the social phenomena of religion.
If people want to read a spiritual book set aside the Bible. Take a look at the Tao Te Ching. The Dhammapada. The Bhagavad Gita (Nelson Mandela's favorite in jail) or any of The Upanishads. No date setting. No numbers. No linear time. No identification with ego we find so entrenched in all this commentary. God bless. 🌿🙏🌴
I guess her logic doesn't permit her to believe that life comes from non-life, all by itself. Because there's nothing logical about that.
This is fantastic. The whole "Do you have a few minutes to talk about the Bible?" thing really backfired on them! Yes! Let's take a few moments and talk about it.
*Also, the whole "We don't push our beliefs on anyone" is bollocks- what about their children? Do they suddenly not count?
You don’t push???? Why are you here?!
@@tommythomas5970 I assume that's addressed to them rather than me? If it's at me (the way it's written) then I'll respond that I'm watching a youtube video....
@@gonufc, hey...I am here to watching a video...😂 good times!
@@tommythomas5970, why are you here? Video also? 😅😂
Exactly what I was thinking, JWs are one to talk about pushing religious beliefs onto other people. Their families in particular. Imagine completely ghosting family members because they don’t share your religion.
Aron looks a lot like my dad, who always invited Witnesses into the house to debate them. For hours. All the time.
Shit that sounds like it must've been fun to watch.
My dad too
My mom did that, too! It started because it gets really hot and humid where we live and she just invited them in to let them cool off. Gave them some iced tea, she was really just being nice.
They almost immediately after sitting down started doing their sales pitch. My mom smiled, pointed at their Bible, and said, "You will convince me if you, a black woman, can justify why the book you live your life by not just condones but demands slavery and women as property."
My mom was raised Irish Catholic by abusive parents. She has no patience for hypocrisy.
The JWs stammered a bunch then said they needed to get going. Their only defense was to run away.
That was wonderful! "We don't debate, why don't you read our propaganda?" ROFL, if AronRa asks questions you can't answer, it's time to leave.
Debate is the only pleasure Aron can derive from his meaningless world.
@@tuckerbugeater ROFL! Your assertion that his world is meaningless is itself meaningless! Nice effort, loser.
@@tuckerbugeater at least he is not deluded! That's why he is not bying all that supernatural bullshit! Since evolution is proven to be a fact beyond a shadow of a doubt we know that we are nothing but a species of apes nothing more nothing less! So, ALL religions and ALL their stupid and often cruel doctrines ( sin and original sin, afterlife, prayer, soul, heaven and hell etc) can ALL be thrown right in the trash! There is not a shred of evidence for the existence of ANY god or Allah or whatever name they gave to their non-existing celestial dictator!
@@tuckerbugeater Meaningless? He's an atheist. We have more meaning in out short lives than religious puppets.
I’m sure someone called @putinbelievesclimatechange is a well rounded and happy person
Well done, Aaron. You're civil but relentless. The JW in charge had to come to the rescue of his brethren, a scene I've witnessed a few times while engaging with cult members. That's when you know they're struggling. I got the feeling the other two members were shaken by this brief but intense challenge.
Some persons participating in the ministry are new members and have very limited abilities since they are in the process of learning the basics. The brother who introduced me to the JWs had no such difficulties.
@Falcon2 sorry, but I disagree. The 2 look defeated and cowed, appear at a loss and perhaps to be questioning their some of their assumptions. They completely lost their confidence, prompting senior JW to intervene. To your other point, Aron did all in his power to avoid being physically intimidating and was never insulting or demeaning to the JWs. He WAS relentless and gave no quarter. When you dismantle patently absurd, childish arguments, it can appear patronizing, but that's not the fault of the dismantler.
@Falcon2 I think it's a mix of both. Agree that they really weren't questioning their own beliefs, but I think that's cause they aren't capable of doing so. They were asked direct questions "about what they teach.." and were unable to respond. I was raised Catholic and could have done a better job than they did responding as 'devil's advocate' to Aron's questions.
Handling JWs is not exactly a major accomplishment.
How proper and educated Aron is shows other atheist what to strive for. Great representation, Aron. 👏🏼
it's not fair. he has a lot of training in battle. 😁
WOW. what an intelligent opening point.. Snakes cant talk.... Its obvious to them hes not there talk and have an intelligent conversation.. Snakes cant talk, no vocal chords. Gotcha... Like a CHILD... jeeezzz so fuckin cringe... Get a life dude.... pathetic
@@windigo000 Hes spend the hours grinding up the XP and unlocking the skill tree.
There was no talking snake in the garden of Eden.This guy is a doofus.😅
Im more educated, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
Aron, as an exJW myself, let me thank you for your work. Back when I was their age we have tried, and failed, to debate you. They crack me up now though. "We don't debate but if you're sincerely interested in learning we can show you....blah blah blah. What they mean by "studying" is you sit there, be quiet, we'll read from our literature and you won't ask any questions that are not answered in the paragraphs. They crack me up
Shame on you
Me too f4rnsworth, I was born into this cult.
What they are actually saying is, “we don’t stand a chance in debating you, but we’d like to direct you to our programmers” 🐑🐑🐑
As for the “it’s ok if you don’t believe the bible”, that translates as “you’re going to d i e shortly at Armageddon, and we like that idea, because you’re now challenging our unfounded claptrap, and making us feel uncomfortable.”
So true, if they do a bible study with you, you're basically expected to be awed by cherry picked bible verses and expected to believe whatever they tell you without skepticism. Too many questions and they get flummoxed.
@@jeffroot7075What, “shame on” him for waking up to lies?
Peculiar opinion.
"You are not our target demographic sir, we only like to target people when they are down and out because that is when they are at their weakest.
Come back when you are less resolved. "
Nailed it!
@@astridmiller7938
Pet Cemetery
I have never been very religious throughout my life. I grew up with JW on my dad's side and hardrock Baptist on my mom's. I was made to go to both churches all the while each side was always telling me how the other side was wrong. My full breaking point was when my daughter died. I kept asking what I did for God to punish me when I spent my life doing for others and never myself. I blamed my self told myself it was a test all the bs you tell your self. Then it clicked I felt so dumb I understood that it was out of my control and that if there was a God that it would me messed up for him to test or punish me with my daughters life. I'm completely atheist while being married to a women who grew up pentecostal and it's never caused issues she just asked that I wait till my kids are older to tell them how I feel but I respect her enough to keep to myself even though her family pushes religion on my kids but every so often I will say something to my kids to make sure they aren't to far gone with brain washing I have to keep them grounded in some reality lol.
@GoldenNinja Good for you. Depending upon your kids' ages, try giving them science books that explain the natural world (origins of the cosmos, diversity of life on earth etc.) without the superstition or magic. Doesn't have to be obvious like the God Delusion by Dawkins (just yet!!).
Sincere condolences. You are not first, nor last to experience lost of your beloved one. God's mercy is showing us the suffering of this world so we can understand that everything in this world is temporary and often times full of suffering when our beloved ones die for example. This world is not meant for us to enjoy, but to understand the reality of this world - it is temporary and full of suffering, how can we be happy in such place and find permanent happiness and peace?
@@tomashromnik108 Craps sake learn to read a room. You're making it worse.
If people want to read a spiritual book set aside the Bible. Take a look at the Tao Te Ching. The Dhammapada. The Bhagavad Gita (Nelson Mandela's favorite in jail) or any of The Upanishads. No date setting. No numbers. No linear time. No identification with ego we find so entrenched in all this commentary. God bless. 🌿🙏🌴
@@tomashromnik108
To answer your question, give up the myths, lies and superstitions fed to you by religion and their "faith" in imaginary deities.
Life would be much more appreciated.
*Captions:*
(Sorry if I got some things wrong. Feel free to correct me in the replies.)
JW: "Uh... sharing information."
Aron: "Okay, share. "
JW: "What are you interested in?"
JW: _Unintelligible._
Aron: "Why people believe in religion is what I'm interested in."
JW: "Gives them a hope."
Aron: "Hope for what?"
JW: "For a better future."
Aron: "How?"
JW: "What question do you want answered?"
Aron: "it's the same ones, still."
JW: "The bible talked about a time where we don't see the things in world today."
Aron: "The bible also says that snakes can talk... and the world was flooded and we know that didn't happen. The bible says a lot of things we know are not true. So... what is the part where you get hope?"
JW: "So... I believe what the bible says..."
Aron: "Even when it's wrong?"
JW: "I don't believe it's wrong."
Aron: "You know snakes can't talk. There's no way that snakes can talk. They have a glottis, they don't have vocal cords so there's no way a snake can talk. Magic is not real."
JW: "It's true."
Aron: Magic fruits, blessings, curses, they're both positive or negative enchantments and enchantments are magic. So is water bending, necromancy, all of that stuff's in the bible. The bible talks about a lot of magic. Talks about wizards, talks about blessings... curses.... so, where's the "hope" part? What are you hoping for?"
JW: "Well, If you wanna read the scripters in the bible, it talks about the hope plea."
Aron: "Well, I do bible study every week, I haven't seen anything that I could possibly interoperate as "hope" for someone.... So where is that?"
JW: _Unintelligible._ "--Revelations 21, 3 and 4 talks about it at times that the things that we see... existing in the world today don't exist."
Aron: "Give me an example."
JW: "Do you have a bible?"
Aron: "...Do you? Do you need one? I mean, you believe what you believe, so can just tell me why you believe."
JW: _Unintelligible._
Aron: "Yeah, I try to be additive. The most important thing to me is truth and therefore I don't want to be fooled into believing anything that is not evidently true. _(Unintelligible.)_ --If it's not evidentially true, if it's something you can't confirm when you take the position, well then maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. But in the case of the bible, we know for absolutely certain that Adam and Eve is comparable based on elder mythology _(Unintelligible.)_ --primarily. We know the global flood never happened, the tower of babel never happened _(Unintelligible.)_ I've interviewed a whole lot of bible scholars... that stuff ain't real."
JW: "That's what you believe."
Aron: "That's not what I believe. It's what we can demonstrate. We can prove the global flood never happened. And even if it did happen that would only be a blight against the idea of god. And so with hell. Do you guys believe in hell?"
JW: "I don't believe in eternal torment, no."
Aron: "I'm glad of that. That's one of the fortunate things about the way I was raised, I was raised by a Mormon family, the scripters talk about hell, the scripters, clearly believe in hell, but my family didn't... So, I didn't get a lot of that fire and brimstone. Now, my wife, she was raised by a divided family. Catholic on one side _(Unintelligible.)_ one the other, both telling you that your family are gonna go to hell, with no justification whatsoever. And... she had a problem recovering from that, getting away from that because it gets so ingrained the fear, the terror, it's totally abusive. So I'm glad you guys don't believe in that... but you still believe snakes can talk. That's the problem... isn't it?"
JW: "We believe what the bible says."
Aron: "Why? Why do you believe what the _(Unintelligible.)_ says?"
JW: "It's true."
Aron: "it's not true. It's lies."
JW: _Unintelligible._
Aron: "No, it's demonstrable. The truth is what the facts are, what we can show to be true. We cans show that the bible is not true."
Civilian: "Aron."
Aron: "How you do?"
Civilian "Good."
JW: "Well, if you guy's have more questions, you can visit the website, but something we don't like to do is debate, you know, because--"
Aron: "That's what I want, I want an interaction, I want to know why you guys have bought into this."
JW: "Well, we're not buying into it, like we said you could always go visit our website."
Aron: "You're not bought into it? You're not standing out here pushing placards, you're not here right now, you're just an illusion?"
JW: "Well, that's why we said you could always go to the website if you have more questions."
Aron: "And who's gonna answer them? How am I gonna reason with the website?"
JW: "Well... something you could do, I mean it's just like anything you could sit down, read whatever it is, right?"
JW: 'It's research it's all apart of research."
Aron: "It's what I do. So, tell me what it is, the part I'm supposed to read?"
JW: "Well, just information, yeah, something on the website."
Aron: _(Unintelligible.)_ "--So every religion proclaims their collection of lies, to be the absolute truth and reveal to be the one true god, even if they can't agree who the god is. So, none of that is true. No religion can show they are ever truer than any other religion."
JW: "And here's the thing, so we as Jehovah's Witnesses, we don't try to enforce any _(Unintelligible.)_ --So I mean, we respect your opinion, so if you don't believe in the bible it's ok."
Aron: "I believe in reason, so I want you to reason with me."
JW "Well, the thing we don't do is, we don't try to debate. So if you would like to sincerely acquire some more knowledge, I can actually sit with you at one of the tables, to talk, you know I can show you scripters, what the bible says _(Unintelligible.)_"
Aron: "If you could do that, I'd be happy to do that."
JW: _(Unintelligible.)_
(This no joke took me 3 hours to write. Hope it helps.)
Thank you. That filled in a lot of audio gaps.
Thank you so much!
You rock!!!
Much appreciated by me and many others I'm sure.
You're the real MVP here!
"Oh fuck, it's Satan - and he appears to be right! Run away! Run away!" Beautiful work, Aron.
"They warned me Satan would be attractive" Ned Flanders
Yea trash talker, Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
@@alexshatner3907 None of that happened and 'spirit people' aren't real.
When they say they don’t want to debate I always just bring up 1 Peter 3:15
"Hey! No fair using my book against me!" -Theists
Nice one, man
He was trying so hard to bail them out. Maybe the third guy had some authority.
Unlike the book they study, the questions these people prepare to answer are not necessarily 2000 outdated by 2000 years.
For those wondering: "But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
I wish there wasn’t all that noise in the background so I could hear the debate better.
Yeah, video makers should be able to remove all the undesirable sounds in an outdoor, public space outside of a convention! 😂😂😂
Sorry for a late answer btw XD
As a former Jehovah’s Witness. It feels so good to watch you question them.
"We JW's don't force anything on people...we just force them away from their loved ones."
Love how Arron can just walk up and talk plainly. No one has to raise their voices.
Aron,the way you handle these people is amazing. You have them dumbfounded, at a loss for words.
Making a JW at a loss for words, is not exactly a major accomplishment.
Love the atheist’s body language. Hands behind the back, completely non threatening and open to listening to the JW folks. Thanks for sharing your open dialogue. Taking them off script was masterful!
You love this weirdos body language? Hahaha! That's Adorable.
I suspect they wanted to say, "if God wants a snake to talk, the snake will talk", but they knew it couldn't be proven and didn't want a debate. Aron would be wasting his time if it weren't for the filming that reaches others.
Jehovah's Witness follow Gods word by the word. Jesus set True Christians the perfect example, that example was followed by first century Christians after Jesus died. They were 'not part of the world' just as Jesus 'was no part of the world.' Jesus told them, 'if people wont listen, keep moving on to the next...' Jesus' followers did just that. Jesus had the power to fight back but didn't, his disciples also didn't. God is looking for honest, peaceful, reasonable and loving people to find him, the debates as this guy is presenting is what Jesus and his followers avoided. Jehovah's Witnesses follow that same path because they know it to be Gods word. Talking snake? God created his angels with MUCH power, Satan appearing as a snake and talking was very easy for Satan to do.
@@markuse3472 not being "a part of the world" is a tactic to keep people isolated
Abusers keep their victims isolated and vulnerable so that they have no options but the abuser. It's the same thing cult leaders do.
Listening to the words of "worldly" people could provide you safety. They might be able to meet your needs. They might love you unconditionally.
The people most likely to help build you up are called the most dangerous. The ones you absolutely must avoid. The subversives. Every cult has a word for people who challenge the ideology, what do you call them?
I like the name scientology gives them, personally. Look it up, see if you like it better than your name for them.
I hope you can get some footage of the sit-down with the third guy! He sounds pretty confident that he can clear up any confusion and misunderstandings AronRa has, lol.
That would be amazing 😆
Guy sounds like he would also respectfully converse with Aron. Would be a good conversation for sure. Guy is no match - but a refreshing change from people like Kent
@@Tragpie33353 I disagree. He is clearly the senior fellow there and a company man. This is why he turned up when the original two looked like they were uncomfortable. Directing a person who presents a challenge to your world view to ‘the website’ is a tactic to get rid of you.
He is likely to resist all opportunities to honestly assess ‘outside information’ as he is trained to do. I would love to be proven wrong and for him to agree to honesty look at Aron’s evidence on video.
He would get turned.
I LOVE these! The background noise is brutal though.
Cameraperson was too far to pick them up.
Nice job Aron.
I love the questioning or *"Socratic method"* of *epistemology.*
Instead of just telling people how they are wrong, one asks people questions about their *"faith"* which makes them have to actually *think about their reasoning* for their *belief system.*
It's so sweet to watch a lot of them become very *uncomfortable* while answering, as they *think about* and actually *hear* what's coming out of *their own mouths.* ;-)
Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
@@alexshatner3907 You're changing what the Bible says. The Bible says that the snake spoke (which we have no scientific evidence for). Your claim is that a spirit person (which we also have no scientific evidence for) made the snake appear to speak. That is not what the Bible says, it is not a more reasonable explanation, and it does not make sense in the context of the story, especially since God then cursed the snake to crawl on it's belly afterward. Then again, punishing random passers-by who had done no wrong is fairly consistent with the Bible's depiction of God's personality. See God "hardening Pharoh's heart" for no benefit to anyone so that he would have the illusion of justification to punish an entire country of people, or Jesus cursing a fig tree for being out of season, or allowing Satan to double-dog-dare him to kill Job's family.
"Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles?" Well, since we have no evidence to demonstrate that there are any such spirits, no. You claim that Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, but where are the magic-practicing priests today? Where are the enemies of God performing miracles now? Certainly not on camera.
"Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk?" Yes, it is rather far-fetched the believe that something we have no evidence exists could have been the cause of anything.
"Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects." Ventriloquism can be an impressive skill to master, but if you consider it baffling, you are far too easily confused. And convincing special effects are typically created by computers, or in the case of practical effects, forced perspective and very specific camera angles. We can demonstrate how these work, and more importantly, that they do exist in the first place. Talking snakes? Staves turning into snakes? God? Satan? Not so much.
@@StarDotJPGThat is exactly how Satan would have responded, "good Job" Go ahead and defend Satan. That is what he wants people to believe. You would make a good defense attorney for your father
“You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” (Joh 8:44)
As a former JW this was absolute gold. They seem to have nonissue enforcing protections for CSA perps, debiting Blood Transfusions, shunning their family. Bunch hypocrites!
Loved it, if there was any follow up please post.
They never had the carts when I was an active JW. Before that we actually had to answer questions then as you would know. Of course it was always WT bull.
In their defense, shunning family and friends is something virtually every religion endorsed at one point so it's not unique to JWs but I get where you're coming from. My dad was briefly involved with them but got banned when they found out he liked action movies or something stupid. Their KHs look like a dentist building and while I'm not a Catholic apologist, there's something to be said about how ugly millenarian churches are.
@@Robert_W7 I recall before the carts and having to know actual answers and actually be able to defend anything. Most JWs now just cant, don't know how or just cringe bc they know its all BS. Even back then I knew something was off didn't want to loose my only family (did anyway and current shunned....even at that was best thing to leave and salvage my mental health).
Love this as shows how shallow they have become, cant even answer simple questions.
At least they're not living lives full to the brim with degeneracy...
@@Robert_W7 no, the cards are to allow to come to have a friendly conversation to those who want to speak and not argue. Ppl can come and talk willingly.
"We don't like to debate, we just want you to believe what we say and give us your money." 😁
No, but they do accept small donations
😢
Non of the preachers get to keep the money. They don’t get paid for any of this.
That Elder had to step in and block you from interacting with the other two because you were making too many good points and most JW are not allowed to talk with anyone who has dissenting thoughts about religion.
Back when I was a jehovah's witness, I would have started sweating the second Aron approached me 😂
That guy was clearly pissing himself.
No it’s just Aron goes to the most stupid religion instead of orthodoxy or Islam where they spit facts
@SomeOrdinaryArchives worry not. All religions are stupid with a high level of enlightenment.
Nah for real as an ExJw i would have felt really intimidated as a child if I had to debate against him
@@ElderIsBackAgainislam is just a big cult full of fallacies
How awkward it must be for them to confidently set up outside the convention and then soon after, be challenged by Aron 🤣
A large man with long hair and a kilt who is soft-spoken and dropping logic bombs. Legend!
nothing logical about being an atheist kid hate to burst your bubble, because atheism is the most illogical standpoint a person can take,
YES !!
That's Aron Ra, very intelligent
@@dawndenise1234 I know - I've watched several of his videos and have his book.
@@MikeXCSkier Does he ever mention the Bible copying from the Epic of Gilgamesh?
Despite the poor audio quality, I enjoyed this interaction. I think it shows Aron in a very good way as he inquired politely. He often doesn't pause to let the other people speak, but this time he did, and their answers or lack of answers was very telling. If you spoke to these people later in a quiet place, I'd love to see the recording.
Firstly, thank you so much! It was guys like you that helped set me mentally free of this religion. They had me so brainwashed that even though I was disfellowshipped (excommunicated/shunned) for nearly 8ish years give or take, that I still deep down believed their garbage. I LOVE science and that religion twisted the scriptures and science to make me believe they were completely harmonious (it didn’t help I am like 4th generation JW-well Ex JW now Atheist). To me that is their most dangerous weapon, that and their manipulation of history/stifling of higher education. Like I remember being told in that religion that Noah’s ark had been found and proved the Bible true. Only for the same religion to gas light and say they never said that. Thank you so much for the science you share and the work you do. It’s helped me so much. Your videos on evolution and rebuttal videos of Christian apologists helped so much. You caught on camera their tried and true/latest variation on the brainwash strategy to keep their flock subordinate. The second they hear anything that challenges their beliefs they claim you’re “arguing or debating” and they’re deliberately told to not debate. To only engage with people “who are receptive or have their hearts open to Jehovah” as they put it. Basically, everyone else in their opinion is influenced/controlled by the devil and his demons. That religion controls so much of what they are allowed to learn (no higher education allowed), watch (movies/shows/tv), listen to (music/media) and even their friends and family. My JW aunt just told me “I closed the door on them” because I said I was “gay and atheist”. It’s psychotic and I’m so glad I am free. Thank you again. 🙇🏻♂️💯😎
They're like, "sir....please.....go away...."
We are like "The feeling is mutual."
xD Welp. Now they know how it feels when they knock on our doors 💁🏾♀️
@@TreeHairedGingerAle For that you'd need to knock on the doors of one of their Kingdom Halls, always wanted to do that. Maybe even hand them some papers to help guide them.
" i do bible study every week " ... gotta love AronRa!!!
Thank you Aron 1000 times over for doing this.
Former Jehovahs Witness here, I’m glad that you went up to these guys and questioned them. There are so many who are trapped in this cult even if they are free mentally. Encounters like this can help them in their journey to wake up and escape.
Who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
You are correct!Trapped in a cult.
I don't think they're "free mentally" at all. Their everyday life experienced are impacted in a million ways by the cult. Sadly, they are taught to judge others by proxy "I don't judge you. My God judges you. I just happen to agree with God."
Jehovah's Witness follow Gods word by the word. Jesus set True Christians the perfect example, that example was followed by first century Christians after Jesus died. They were 'not part of the world' just as Jesus 'was no part of the world.' Jesus told them, 'if people wont listen, keep moving on to the next...' Jesus' followers did just that. Jesus had the power to fight back but didn't, his disciples also didn't. God is looking for honest, peaceful, reasonable and loving people to find him, the debates as this guy is presenting is what Jesus and his followers avoided. Jehovah's Witnesses follow that same path because they know it to be Gods word. Talking snake? God created his angels with MUCH power, Satan appearing as a snake and talking was very easy for Satan to do. Jesus and his followers, throughout the whole first century and somewhat into the second, were also seen as a cult. I can guarantee you would have been one of the accusers, too.
Aron and other atheists are the ones in a cult. If you believe the entire universe exploded from a ball of nothing, you're in a cult.
Thank you for your service Aron! I’d love to see the rest of the interaction! Seemed to abruptly end just as it was getting good!
I walked passed these guys today and said, “oh boy.. they are in for a rough day.”
Let me give every body reading this a rough day, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
It’s not easy to get Witnesses to engage like this. Fantastic job!
AronRa makes it look easy. Or maybe it's the kilt lol. Also, based on their performance here, it seems like the training in field service discourse is not as thorough as I remember, or maybe it's just that I remember it differently through childhood memories.
They were just running out the clock. Nothing really happened.
Thing is with cults like JW and Mormons it's super easy to expose them, in this case just bring up the fake prophecies and if they deny they ever endorsed those, show them on your phone the magazines from the 1920s and watch them turn white as a ghost.
Aron, I love you man. You're simply and honestly one of the most precious thinkers in all of the global atheist community.
Aron and fellow Aron fans, I trust you're all doing good and just want you to know you're valued ♥ ☘
I'm a form member of Jehovah's Witnesses. I know how impossible it is to reason with them, because this is exactly how I would have reacted. The brainwashing is so thorough that it simply isn't possible to de-convert them; they have to do that themselves. The only reason I escaped was because I wondered why the common consensus of science didn't match my beliefs. It's also how I learned to stop being homophobic and transphobic. "If all of science says one thing, but my religion says another, then why do scientists believe the things they do?" THAT is the question that pulled me out of the brainwashing; nothing else could have. Thank you AronRa for being a part of my journey.
I dunno... I had conversations with a couple of them that came to my door trying to convert me, and I'm PRETTY DAMN SURE that I converted them by the time they left. They didn't outright say it, but there was a very strong vibe that they had felt lied to their entire life LOL!
@The Clint Commander how did the conversation go? What did you say to them to help them change their minds?
You choose to be a sinful fool.
@@TheJokesterSCR JWs are a cult. It's very hard to leave after they get their hooks in you. I you a husband and leave you wife may divorce you, same if he leaves. If you 18 and leave you parent may shun you. I hope you succeeded but I doubt it. As some wrote earlies you have think your own way out of it. That can work but it can be painful.
I'm a lifelong atheist, never a member but have family who are.
Former Witness as well; they’re all trained to “put on the new personality” and therefore all talk the same, have the same intonation, even privately think the same things. It’s a big component of the BITE model, and it’s hard to see the rank and file members on the street as anything more than cult victims.
I've had an extremely similar conversation with a Muslim colleague a day or two ago. She ended up getting angry at me for asking for evidence.. etc, she walked out, not being able to answer my questions, you all know how that goes. In the end I was curious why walking away angrily seemed to be a better solution than rationally explaining and having a normal conversation?
Did she accuse you of being closed minded and intolerant and, then Islamophobic? That's usually the pattern.
People will get angry because you are bursting their comfort zone. This is just basic human psychology. It makes them happy, it brings them group acceptance, it makes them feel secure and special, and there you are tearing that away. Facts don't matter.
It usually ends with a call from HR to go and have a chat.
Aron!! I would love to hear the "debate" the guy agreed to. I really would.
Thanks for everything you do.
They were out of their league, _as all Magical Thinkers are_ in the face of a _savvy skeptic._ My atheist dad used to like to invite them in, and do what Aron is doing. Let's hear some great Door Knocker stories 😃👍
I had a pair accost me at my front door. I toyed with them awhile, telling them how I was a doctorate level in molecular biology and had previously read in one of their pamphlets how mutations are bad/detrimental....and the quote they were using happened to be from the same biology book I had sitting on my bookshelf. I showed them the whole quote in context...."mutations are detrimental to the organism....BUT majority are neutral and some are beneficial". So their quote mining was at a minimum misleading and more likely just a blatant lie for jesus....They went away and never came back.
They are outside selling their religion, if someone comes along to discuss that is something you could have expected.
Aron is completely justified just talking down to them.
My late grandfather used to do that too; he also said it gave them less time to pick on people less well equipped to deal with their BS :) I tried to do the same, but they stopped coming after a while, I think I'm on some sort of blacklist 🤣
I would call it punching up because they have money and hurt their members
My husband had a friend / mentor who was an Anglican lay priest on the weekends and during the week a lawyer who performed our marriage ceremony, I'm pretty certain that Martin knew both of were atheists as we had a largely secular ceremony. One of his favorite thing's to do with JW's is put on his collar prior to answering the door holding a beer.
Wow. My dad is Catholic and my mom is Pentacostal. I was terrified by both about hell too. I totally understand what your wife went through. I don't think it can ever go away, you just learn to live with it. Like any other form of abuse.
same but to a lesser degree (I think).
everytime I get that nagging voice of hell in the back of my head, I start to rationally think about it, question my own fear to a point it doesn't know how to answer.
Then I think about how Ammit is said to eath you alive if your heart was heavyer than the feather of truth in egyptian mythology.
And by that time the fear is gone.
I don't fear Ammit by anymeans, and I don't fear him because it was never drilled into me, but the concept is as rational.
While other abuse stays with you because it was something actually done to you, either by deeds or words, hell was a threat never enacted upon, never realised.
It makes it generally easier to deal with (At least for me) than the abuse which was/is tangeble
@@alberich3099 I totally endorse your methods and am living proof that they are effective. There is nothing as powerful as rational thinking, face on, to challenge, de-activate, and dismantle the thinking behind the irrational fear into harmless components that no longer have power over us. 🎯 😎👍
You definitely DON'T just have to live with the effects of abuse and trauma! 😊 I used to frequent psych wards as a result of mine. I was fortunate to have a psychologist to work with for years, and I found my own creative ways to help myself. I have been re: assessed multiple times and no longer have those mental illness....and my former psychologist is now my friend. 😊
It's absolutely worth every effort for mental health and greater quality of life. We've served our time for crimes we didn't commit. We are worth setting ourselves free from the old mind cages, and find our own, authentic way of living. Our life narrative can be our own, not theirs. 🚀
Incidentally, the name 'Galvin' , a variation of your name, is in my family, too! I have just been doing an in-depth study into its origins. In the case of the Irish ones, long story short, they were originally from France, either Normans, or from Maine, south of Normandy or ŕegions in the North of France, which were all Catholic by law. There were two ways the Galvan's arrived in Ireland in the late 1100s.
1. Presumably as peasants, paid mercenaries, in William the Conqueror's army who invaded and defeated the English in 1066 at the Battle of Hastings. Then to Wales, then with William de Clare (AKA Strongbow) to Ireland in 1169.
2. Or as one of King Henry II 's army as he followed Strongbow to Ireland in 1170, as he was concerned Strongbow was gaining too much power.
To summarise, they married Irish women and assimilated into Irish culture.
So, you can safely blame Pope Leo III, in 800, for crowning Charlemagne, the Emperor of The Holy Roman Empire for your father's Catholicism!
I find context helps makes sense of a lot of things, and allows perspective. Mental freedom is about perspective. Working through issues at close range, and looking at the much bigger picture, I find, definitely helps me with perspective. We have our own ways, and our own individual stories to add to the ancestral tree. The odds of us being alive, and cognisant in this moment are extraordinary. We may as well make the most of it! ✨️
All religions put the bogeyman under your bed and tell you their the only ones that can help you.
“We don’t like to debate.” That’s bull shit. I’ve debated a couple of JW’s 😂. Most like it when they think they have a chance of converting you, but then give up. Only one enjoyed the debate and kept going lol
From someone who enjoyed debating my beliefs with others, it's what got me to start questioning my beliefs and eventually leave this cult. That's why Jehovah's Witnesses are told NOT to have these types of discussions with someone and to direct them to the website. The governing body KNOWS their shit stinks like everyone else's and don't want their followers sniffing around.
Makes sense.
I became atheist from being a JW debating with atheists and realizing our books like the Evolution book straight-up lied and misquoted. It was a quick path to learning the scientific method and skepticism from there. I think that happens to everyone that is in the religion that truly values truth.
I love that aron talked to them, it keeps them from snagging a potential victim for their abuse
My parents divorced when I was a baby and when I finally went to go spend time with him I was about 12.
I wanted to know my father but he had become a JW years before.
I wanted to go to a ball game or throw a football and talk about father and son stuff.
He took me to a Kingdom Hall.
I pretended to be sick and made him call my mom to come get me.
Really sad. "Harmless" religion.
Its not to late ,God is always calling...
@@simonrankin9177 I think he got a wrong number
@@simonrankin9177 dude's a stalker.
@@simonrankin9177 Watch out for the scammer's calls.
Back in 2016 I was homeless in San Francisco. The JWs would hang out at the train station in the Mission during business hours standing next to their cart and brochures.
I thought if my circumstances didn't change, I would buy a white sign board and write "I am with stupid" and an arrow on it pointing in their direction, while I sat with a sign that read, "Reasonable philosophical discussions $1.00"
Satan is still proud of you for what you did, but who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
And they still believe that everyone who rejects their god deserves to be slaughtered at Armageddon. And that shunning former members who simply no longer believe is a loving thing. Either forcing people to never speak to their loved ones or live a lie.
I cringe that I used to act so assholery when I was a fully-indoctrinated JW too. (Ex MS/pioneer/bethelite here)
lmao I’m an ex Jw And THANK YOU ARON for posting some JW Cart crashing !! Also thank you for your deep insightful videos on evolution and bible myths.
'JW Cart crashing': I am dead.🤣
If people want to read a spiritual book set aside the Bible. Take a look at the Tao Te Ching. The Dhammapada. The Bhagavad Gita (Nelson Mandela's favorite in jail) or any of The Upanishads. No date setting. No numbers. No linear time. No identification with ego we find so entrenched in all this commentary. God bless. 🌿🙏🌴
These interactions are more of a joy than all the years I had as a Jehovah's Witness.
I for one am glad to have you :)
👍🙂
I love interactions like this. When people are asked to demonstrate why their beliefs are true there's nowhere they can go. When I was a Mormon missionary (gross I know..) some people pressed me like that and yeah I was super uncomfortable and was like "here's a card, visit the website" also lol. But those uncomfortable encounters were part of what helped me to question and deconstruct my beliefs to be the fellow atheist I am today. I got to the point that I cared about what was true, period.
I did have a hard time hearing what was being said though. I'm sure this was a very unplanned impromptu meeting, but if you're gonna do more things like this (and I hope you do), maybe a mic setup would be helpful.
Same here as ex JW.
Seems a lot of similarities in feeling with ex JW and Mormons. 🤔
What's so gross about being a Mormon missionary? You didn't sleep with any animals, did you? (In my mission, there was a physically-challenged missionary who was rumored to have tried to have sex with a farm animal.)
I had that discussion with my pentecostal brother in law. It went nowhere.
Me: Faith is not a path to truth.
Him: Why not?
Me: Because faith could lead you to the wrong conclusion. For example, why is your religion the right one, why can't it be Hinduism for example? Faith is not reliable.
Him: No, but faith can still lead you to the truth.
Me: Possibly, but only by chance. It could also lead you to something that's not truth.
Him: But it could lead you to the truth.
Me: But how do you know that it's the truth?
Him: Because you have faith.
Me: But you just admitted that faith is not reliable.
Him: I'm not having this discussion.
Me: Why not? I want to know what's true and how we can get there by means other than faith, which is not reliable.
Him: You can't, because you don't have faith. And I'm not having this discussion.
Haven't seen them for 2 glorious, beautiful, peaceful happy years now.
@@deydododontdedoh.5672 Different cults, similar indoctrination tactics. Congrats on getting out ;)
@@sirbarryvee-eight6485 Feels like a conversation with my mom.. lol. Super frustrating..
When Lilandra said Aron, he immediately turned to her and said what. I love it. It’s a little thing but it shows he listens if she speaks
Hi Aron, you are 100% correct. We need more debates to be able to understand each other better. As you well know the word of our lord and savior has been twisted and changed to better serve dark agendas that created nothing but suffering and death in his name. I beleave all this happened because people never question just follow blindly what other people say. For being an inquisitive mind, I thank you. Hope this opens up more minds and invite discussion. This is the gift that makes us human. God bless! 😊. Ps. I hope the discussion was recorded. Would love to see it.
I love this. Grew up JW, shunned by my whole family because of it. Thank you.
You should love your family more.dont let beliefs separate up from family
you can always come back to Jehovah
Bruh. "You can always come back to Jehovah"
Yeah dude, the Earth is 4+ billion years old but omnipotent god decided to establish the fullness of his church in the 1800's, because fuck the rest of humanity right?
Also, what kind of loving diety only wants 144,000 of his children to live with him after this life? Considering the Jehovah's Witnesses have a couple million members worldwide, it sounds like they're competing with each other for exaltation already? Why worry about converting? So someone can out-good you and take your spot? Lmao.
Congrats on making it out. Hope your mental health is in a better spot than it was within a cult 👍
@@michaelknight1668 . I would love them and love to be in their lives. They won't let me
@@afterraincomessun Jehovah is not real.
great video Aron, I've never had to deal with JW before, but I am in an area of TX (around Lubbock) where there is a lot of bible thumpers. Always love seeing your wonderful videos.
This is amazing. I hope there's a Part II. Take the bait, jeebus boy, take the bait.....
Here you go, let me make it more amazing for you, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
As a Scot, that kilt is SPECTACULAR, Aron!!
"We're not here to debate" just means they don't have good answers for the questions you raised. They always point to the website as a get out clause or say they need to research your question. Such a cop out. Their "truth" only works on vulnerable minds. Thanks Aaron.
I used to be a member, and watching this reminded me how deluded by doctrine I was. I would often encounter people like AronRa, but I was brainwashed from a young age to believe people like them are wrong, ignorant, and that we have "The Truth". How happy I am to have moved on from this mentality, and learned to view the world more openly.
Happy to hear it. Because the look on their faces, especially the two older gentlemen, was that of judgemental distain. All that seemed to register in their minds when professor Aron asked the question "Do snakes talk?" was "This ignorant man is looking for an argument".
Jehovah's Witness follow Gods word by the word. Jesus set True Christians the perfect example, that example was followed by first century Christians after Jesus died. They were 'not part of the world' just as Jesus 'was no part of the world.' Jesus told them, 'if people wont listen, keep moving on to the next...' Jesus' followers did just that. Jesus had the power to fight back but didn't, his disciples also didn't. God is looking for honest, peaceful, reasonable and loving people to find him, the debates as this guy is presenting is what Jesus and his followers avoided. Jehovah's Witnesses follow that same path because they know it to be Gods word. Talking snake? God created his angels with MUCH power, Satan appearing as a snake and talking was very easy for Satan to do.
What irks me is that they call things that they no longer teach nor believe old truth. and the new things they now preach and believe new truth or new light.
If people want to read a spiritual book set aside the Bible. Take a look at the Tao Te Ching. The Dhammapada. The Bhagavad Gita (Nelson Mandela's favorite in jail) or any of The Upanishads. No date setting. No numbers. No linear time. No identification with ego we find so entrenched in all this commentary. God bless. 🌿🙏🌴
@@markuse3472 Copy pasta replies, ey? The fact you can't generate your own thoughts in response to comments is very telling.
As someone who was forced to join Jehovah's witnesses bs as a child (which resulted in religious trauma ) thank you for this.
Im interested to know what people class as trauma. ..
@@simonrankin9177 Not allowed to have non-believe friends (and if you do not have other JW kids in your area, that does in fact mean no friends allowed).
If you question the Governing body (JW rulers) you are looked evil and insane.
They try to baptize you as young as possible (7/8 year olds are not uncommon, 12 is pretty common, 15ish is very common) and if you get baptized and choose to leave everyone in the religion will treat you as if you were dead (disfellowshipping). You are very often not told about shunning when you are young (EX the really young ones who get baptized do not realize they need to choose religion or family). This means that if someone gets baptized at 7 or 12, if they leave the religion then their parents will ignore them, not talk to them and only take care of their physical needs to the bare minimum required by law and then kick them out as early as legally possible (18 in the US, not sure in other countries) and if you were otherwise faithful and "avoided bad association AKA only build relationships with believers as they require then everyone you know will not even talk to you.
My mom used to remind me that back in Jesus day they could stone disobedient children, and fear mongering is a big part of the religion. "Armageddon is constantly just around the corner", "What if Armageddon came this weekend and you were playing video games instead of going out in service", being told if you took part in hobbies instead of service Jehovah would see blood on your hands.
The graphic images in the OLD "My book of bible stories", NOT the one they have redone on the website now to make it less graphic.
Being told you could lose your life forever if you ate a birthday cupcake.
Being harshly criticized for feeling left out of calibrations.
Being forced as children to listen to the same bible talks as the adults, even if they include cannibalism of children, genocide, rape, murder and stuff like that.
Constantly feeling like you are under scrutiny and being watched and judged.
Any free though being harshly criticized and treated as "mentally diseased" if you dared to question the governing body.
Being told the rest of the world around you is completely evil and the only good people are the ones in the religion even if they abuse you.
@@simonrankin9177 Why is that? So you can judge other people? For starters you sound traumatized.
@@chrissmith3509 i dont understand your approach, we all judge people thats human nature, many times we judge in favour of them ...
Im sure not all x witnesses are traumatized, millions of them love there faith ,we should maybe here from them
Simon I'm just curious would you knowingly ask a rape victim what he or she would class as a trauma 🤔 ?
"You cannot argue someone out of a viewpoint they never reasoned themselves into."
Growing up as a JW who made it out partly because of you, thank you for this Aron!
If you ever want an easy W go and talk to them when you see them. They will always have to get back to you on almost everything you bring up lol
I had some JW knock on my door despite telling them previous that I had no interest in religion. So on this particular occasion I was told that the guy had been studying the scriptures for some time. So I asked him what name the "saviour" had been given by his parents?
He responded Jesus.
I asked if he was sure about that, seen as how to me Jesus's seemed to be a bastardisation of Zues, that is is actually pronounced Hezues in Latin based languages and that his pronunciation was a germanicised version of that Latin origin, and wasn't a Jewish name.
He looked bewildered, so I suggested that he should do some more study and come back when he had an answer, that was some years ago and the JW haven't been back. Hopefully he will complete his study so I can question him on something else that he doesn't have an answer to.
If that isn't true, the sky isn't blue. I've had these talks with almost every witness that has come to my door and EVERY ONE of them had to "get back to me" about everything after 10 minutes of talking, and I never saw them again even though I told them I'd like to see them again and continue discussing once they had an answer for me, LOL! My mom was a "witness", my brother dipped his toes in for a few years since his wife was one... So I was raised around their beliefs. They pick and choose what they want to believe The Bible says. Just like every other form of Christianity. But... they're "the truth". -_-
I'd say that's a maybe. I had an old dude call me randomly about telling me the scriptures. I constantly would ask him questions that I learned from street epistemology and Aron and others. We had a 15 mins convo on the phone when I said I needed to go, but please call me again and he said it was a very good talk. Then the 2nd call I found out he was JW and we had another good convo and more than once he didn't know some of the passages and didn't have a method of proving his faith was true against Hindu or whatever. Unfortunately...I never got a 3rd call. I have a bad feeling someone told him not to call my number again. We left on good terms, so that's the only thing I can think of. I hope he finds his way out.
@@iallso1 That's interesting. I've never asked a JW that before. You may have been put on a "do not call list" after that though lol
they also havnt been doing much, if any, door to door work since covid.
@@themaster408 You definitely will find some that know their stuff. Its quite nice when you do find a JW that can engage honestly for a while.
You may have made the do not call list lol
Aron: why do you believe the Bible?
JW: because it's true!
Aron: *points out things that aren't true*
JW: tHaT's JuSt YoUr BeLiEf
This is the sound religion makes as it dies.
I was raised as a JW. Quite a lot of JW's are very good people. They sincerely think they are behaving ethically. Then, as a curious 10 year-old, I began reading science books. Then I looked at JW literature to see their view on subjects like biological evolution. What turned me away from JW's for good is their blatant misrepresentation of scientific evidence and arguments for biological evolution. I thought that if they really had the superior position, they would not have to misrepresent the evidence.
They will sincerely destroy families and ruin lives, while simultaneously believing that they are behaving Ethically.
Fixed that for you.
They literally believe in a justified genocide. They just wont call it that. Honestly, Their misrepresentation of science is merely one of a thousand manipulation tactics. Not even close to the worst they are guilty of.
Yeah, the Evolution book straight up lies in some instances. And otherwise, misquoted people, lied by omission, or uses association tricks. Using that book to debate people who actually knew science is what got me to gradually wake up.
Here is something scientific for you, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
Found you recently on RUclips. I am stunned by your arguments and how you beat them up to a level, where you have left them looking dumb. Greetings from a Ex- Muslim in Germany!
I always love watching these engagements. Great questions Aron, straight to the point. Hope there's more to come.
Aron, I have so much respect for you. Your ability to present the facts without hesitation is so Amazing to me. You are truly gifted!
@@the11thhour77 seems you have something you want to get off your chest. Just spit it out. You certainly come to the right place for debate
What facts have you proven them or you just enamoured because you do not know anything
"Present facts"? LOL. The guy literally said that the Bible claims snakes can talk. That's not a fact. It is nonsense.
Nice work, Aron! We went to new orleans for spring break and were at a park where a dad was playing with his kid. He started to asking us weird questions (like how many kids we had) and then asked if we went to church. I proudly said I'm an atheist and the conversation started but he did not know what he was getting into. We went back and forth for 20 minutes but he was all over the place. I quoted some on the horrible things god said in the bible but he said i was misinterpreting it. So much for a perfect word of god! Come to find out he was from a christian mission group that came down from KY in a caravan. I was totally civil but was calling him on his bs. You could tell his questions were scripted. In the end we parted ways and shook hands so hopefully he will go back and tell his group that not all atheists are assholes. I learn by watching you, Aron! 😊
If you were pushing back, he probably thought you WERE an asshole.
I used to be a jehova s witness. They shut down as soon as anyone wants to question. You get shunned for questioning.
But i love how he said "we don't debate, if you want sincerely to know". They always use that against anyone with questions. The ones asking questions are seen as not sincere and the ones that want to debate an idea are seen as not being sincere. I had so much fun watching, the way their body posture changed and just closed down.
JW: set up in public places to engage face-to-face with the public . Also JW: refuse to debate face-to-face and refer you to the website. Congratulations on yr escape.
Jesus had no trouble responding to anyone who wanted to discuss controversial issues. Nether did the Apostles.
Matthew 7:28-29
When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching; for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.
Acts 4:13
The members of the council were amazed when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, for they could see that they were ordinary men with no special training in the Scriptures. They also recognized them as men who had been with Jesus.
Rule #12: If approached by large man wearing kilt, fucking run. Love ya Aron 😂
Idk.. I'll be running towards them. I love large men in kilts 😍
Love the argument you put across, it’s not what you believe it’s what you can prove. I’ve had arguments with other RUclipsrs about the story of Moses in Egypt and how it couldn’t be true
The Egyptians were pretty good record keepers. Not one mention of the Exodus or the 12 plagues of Egypt.
I had a similar conversation when they approached me while I was on my front lawn. They were quite surprised that I didn't believe in God... they tried to give me the "Look at trees" and watchmaker argument, which I was quite prepared for because of watching Channels like yours and other popular Atheist shows!
I'm an ex-Jehovah's Witness atheist and I actually wanna interact with them to challenge their doctrine.
"Well if there's no god, how do you explain trees?!"
@Neal Johnson JWs and Catholics are Christians. No amount of denial from you will change this. Also snakes can't talk. Lastly, the bible is a a hot pile of contradictions.
The moment you are directed to visiting their website is the moment they are trying to move you along so that they don't feel they need to try and answer questions they don't have the answers too.
“How am I going to reason with a website?” 😂😂😂. Awesome.
You can reason with this, who or what made that serpent appear to talk? The people of ancient Israel knew of other factors that shed much light on the role of that snake. For example, they knew that although animals do not talk, a spirit person can make an animal appear to speak. Moses also wrote the account about Balaam; God sent an angel to make Balaam’s donkey talk like a man.-Numbers 22:26-31; 2 Peter 2:15, 16.
Can other spirits, including those who are God’s enemies, perform miracles? Moses had seen the magic-practicing priests of Egypt duplicate some of God’s miracles, such as making a staff appear to turn into a snake. The power to perform feats like that could come only from God’s enemies in the spirit realm.-Exodus 7:8-12.
Evidently Moses was also the inspired writer of the book of Job. That book taught much about God’s chief enemy, Satan, who lyingly challenged the integrity of all of Jehovah’s servants. (Job 1:6-11; 2:4, 5) Did the Israelites of old thus reason that Satan had manipulated the serpent in Eden, making it appear to talk and deceive Eve into breaking her integrity to God? It seems likely.
Was Satan the force behind the serpent? Jesus later referred to Satan as “a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) “The father of the lie” would be the author of the first lie ever told, would he not? The first lie is found in the serpent’s words to Eve. Contradicting God’s warning that eating the forbidden fruit would end in death, the serpent said: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4) Clearly, Jesus knew that Satan had manipulated the serpent. The Revelation that Jesus gave to the apostle John settles the matter, calling Satan “the original serpent.”-Revelation 1:1; 12:9.
Is it really far-fetched to believe that a powerful spirit person could manipulate a serpent, making it appear to talk? Even humans, though far less powerful than spirits, can perform baffling tricks of ventriloquism and create convincing special effects.
Well it wont be much different, you can't reason with religious people either.
I grew up Jehovah Witness, my family still strong in it. I have been traumatized and still deal with it today. I see them here in Austin Texas.
I’m sorry you went thru that. I grew up evangelical non denominational and also super traumatized… my parents have abandoned me and I barely have any relationship with them because they are in some type of Christian cult… in Texas…
@@christahewitt2758 I know what you feel I am now just getting therapy for it. I am alone and can't hold relationships or have friendships. I am going to start talking about that on my channel.
Jehovah's Witness follow Gods word by the word. Jesus set True Christians the perfect example, that example was followed by first century Christians after Jesus died. They were 'not part of the world' just as Jesus 'was no part of the world.' Jesus told them, 'if people wont listen, keep moving on to the next...' Jesus' followers did just that. Jesus had the power to fight back but didn't, his disciples also didn't. God is looking for honest, peaceful, reasonable and loving people to find him, the debates as this guy is presenting is what Jesus and his followers avoided. Jehovah's Witnesses follow that same path because they know it to be Gods word. Talking snake? God created his angels with MUCH power, Satan appearing as a snake and talking was very easy for Satan to do.
"we don't want to debate."
"That's the only way to convince me - by giving me good reasons."
One day I wanna shake Aron's hand and thank him for who he is.