Building a Smart Missile With The New Ai Blocks And Fully Integrated Logic
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For auto launch: Add a defensive block and event controller on main grid. Make event controller trigger "launch group timer once a target is locked.
I'm trying to do what you said, but I can't seem to get the Event controller and the Defense block combo to auto engage enemies. I'm playing in survival.
I would argue that you should also include a timer on the warheads so that they detonate after a set time, keeps the missiles from being salvaged if they run out of fuel and also cuts down on lag
You could also set an event controller to detonate the warhead when the missile runs out of fuel.
@@breytac you could, but that would require an extra block. Warheads have an inbuilt timer
Not a timer an event block. If what ever trigger you want is met explode.
@@breytacyou should also turn the battery off in that same event controller trigger. In case the warheads are destroyed. This way the auto cleanup will actually get rid of the remaining junk
So your telling me if the missile runs out of fuel it essentially becomes a one time use flak bomb shell?
Something I found useful is if you set the AI offensive block into a group, you can hotbar the targeting priority in the control seat and toggle between weapons, power and thrust when printing new missiles in place.
4 of these puppies now live below the printer in my ships hangar on a piston rig. Can't wait to test them.
Tested: They work *damn* well.
Cool and practical Video with easy to follow instructions!
IIRC you don't have to decrease the Thruster-Override, because the active AI block ignores/overrides it.
with a few more parts you can probably make the missile slightly smarter. 2 sensors and an event controller.
(optional) Sensor 1 detects when the missile is getting close to its grid, at which point it switches to closest to prevent retargeting if its original target becomes no longer the largest.
Sensor 2 detects if enemy players come near, at which point it self destruct to prevent grinding.
event controller detects when it runs out of fuel at which point it explodes to save performance.
Additionally, the warheads should be set to go off on their own after enough time passes, in case you don't retrieve them and they don't hit a target but still have fuel. this condition could probably do away with the event controller.
I love it, instead of .. =) magically appearing missiles these are actually being properly printed.
I think for auto launch just have an extra timer on the ship that triggers the launch group and itself once a second. Turn that timer on to initiate the fire sequence and off when you want to stop the barrage.
Another launch option for these is mass blocks, just set the gyro to override and have a grav generator field that covers the missiles, set the timer on the missile to remove the overriden gyro, when you start the missile activation the missile is released and pushed out of the launcher without fuel being used, a few seconds later the gyro returns to normal, the thrusters engage and the AI blocks start up and the missile flies off like in the expanse.
Adding a check for fuel stockpile is clever, i had a few attempts but had issues with duds in the tube because I'd run out of hydrogen.
Great tutorial and great missile too - works like a charm!
I built it and sat here for ages with nothing happening, only to forget that I actually had to hit trigger on the timer block 🤣 works wonders, great tutorial bro
This is the best missile guide yet
i'll be using these.
really good missiles.
Just finished test a decoy version of this sweet design got a bunch of other ideas for this as well. Thinking cluster missle as well
You could technically make AI scatter bombs. A lot more chunkier but 1 missile splitting into 6 or so can cause some serious damage. Just gotta figure out how to do it lol
Maybe using a grinder block to cut the warhead clusters off in mid flight??
Magnetic plates around a core piece. Either that or have the logic in the base, then magnetic blocks above that to release the cluster with just forward thrust and gyro. Logic does most of the work, then they split up to cause individual damage via warhead.
Several merge blocks with warheads. Just turn off each merge block. The merge blocks then you’ll also have a kinetic weapon with the merge blocks flying at the target.
could do a gyro that has override roll at max turned on when near target, then detach warheads with merge blocks, centrifugal force will spread the warheads.
@@Marxon1134 Use a sensor pointing fowards to see when it gets close enough to it's intended target then triggers a timer that spins the missile then ejects the submunitions after a tested amount of time.....no clapping, just money ;)
Holy crow, dude! I wish I had even half as much creativity as you have! This is just rad!
Kool tutorial. now to make Archer Missiles a secondary component to my ships (been using custom turrets this whole time and never touched ai support ships and missiles)
on my missiles i have thrust overide and turn the backwards thrust off. this means that when the ai turns on it contuinue to driftalowing your ship to stay outside of 2.5km. have an event controller turn it on when it detects an enemy.
How do I do that?
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You forgot to arm the warhead
Cool and easy
so good 😀🤘🏼
very cool concept and ideas
sadly my problem with missiles being combat viable is everyone has same speed limit. this means the enemy can just fly around you if they have enough acceleration, at which point the missiles are easily gunned down.
an argument can be made for spamming them, but this is very material/pcu inefficient and strains sim speed
think there might be a use case for large grid ones for offlining someone? I'd assume you wouldn't miss.
Against player ships missiles may not be useful. But against a base...maybe. Depends how heavily fortified the base is. With enough missiles, base defenses would be overwhelmed.
@@breytac true
the tried and true strategy of dropping rocks on static targets
Even at the same speed, the only way to keep away from them is if the enemy ship is heading directly away from you at full. Usually, an enemy is coming at your or circling you, and that means any other object at the same speed that is making a direct line to them will be able to catch them.
@@Daniel-Strain it's still an incredibly slow, straight approach, allowing them to easily be wiped by gatling turrets
this is soo cool wth
Tried this step by step. It doesn't actually explain how to relaunch the same missle using the same projector? Im sure he has a system set up to turn it on and off bit keep the same projection, but its not explained here.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't, by subtracting where it is, from where it isn't, or where it isn't, from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance sub-system uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position where it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event of the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has required a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computance scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subracts where it should be, from where it wasn't, or vice versa. By differentiating this from the algebraic sum og where it shouldn't be, and where it was. It is able to obtain a deviation, and a variation, which is called "air"
Drugs are bad.
I really feel like we should revisit this topic in a video together
Is there a way to launch them one at a time?
Hi I’ve built your missiles but movs very slowly when fire in groups of 4. Why is this and also when fired in own it goes to max
I have an issue that when trying to launch more than one at a time, the timer won’t trigger. It disconnects but just floats in place.
Anyone had issues on servers when printing these ? the timers just seem to not keep the proper settings for some reason
how did you attach small grid conveyor to the advanced rotor?
What mod do you use that your button in the tool bar like "ON/OFF" and so on have different symbols and colors?
is there a blueprint for this i hate trying to make stuff like this
so idk if theres a difference between the automation timer and regular timer but when i set up a launch array i have to rebind the launch timer to the large grid button every time its printed and launched
I've had this problem too...
Any help on the missions event timer not triggering on spawn? been at this for an hour
Same! In creative it's not sensing the the tank for me, as It spawns filled! Seemed to work in Survival, however mine won't go UP. Maybe atmosphere?
i did this but occasionally one wouldn't break free from my ship. my fix was add 2 timers to the ship the first one did the normal launch all as well as turn the welders off and the merge blocks on the ship off. then started the second timer to turn it all back on. i was gonna call it the purge button but it ended up just being a more reliable launch and didn't leave missiles stuck to my ship with the ai on
How good is this im real excited to make it but will it be shot down by gattling turret?
Does it work on os5?
The target ship - could anyone please send a workshop URL for it? Or its name? Thank you
This vid is a year old so maybe its changes since but i only put one thruster on my missles. No need for the sides or rear only need forward thrust and a gyro.
What skybox mod are you using?
Let me know when you can set the targeting of the missiles to aim for engines or power or guns or storage.... I want TARGETTING!!!!
When the missle is inactive you do not need to turn off the hydrogen thruster, you just set the tank to stockpile.
I’m still pretty new to building weapons. Is there a way to avoid any missiles that miss the target from hitting my ship when they come back?? Also ideas on how to fire while moving?
Just add a sensor if they missed they explode
Set it to intercept
anyone try this on large grid vs small?
Morning so how you sperdgridded the rotor.
i recreated the missile and the event controller works but the fire timer doesn't go on
Do you know why? i've been trying to fix it for an hour.
EDIT : if any timer blocks do not trigger, remove them and place another. It fixes the issue.
I think in the video I forgot to actually select the tank from the list, maybe thats the problem. Also the event contoller only triggers when the state changes, if the tank is already above the setpoint (in creative its already half full) it does not trigger.
@@MajorJon i know that so i turned the event controller on and off, adjusted the values but it would just not activate the timer
(Even though it said it triggered)
Glad you found a quick fix for this, but I'm printing them 3 at a time, to run over and replace the "Fire" timer on each missile, each time they are printed... well, that's not really a viable option for me. I'm hoping it's just a random bug and your solution applied/replacing the Blueprint will slap a big ol' Band-aid on the issue
The first 6 launched flawlessly, but every missile after that failed to ignite the thrusters.
I rebooted my PC and that seemed to fix it for now.... really wish Keen would optimize the game better...
0:14 Holy shit it's the clusterbomb launcher from ArCom6
How is this connected to his large grid?
And how would his refueling work?
Advanced rotor with a small head attached.
Set the tank to stockpile on first time and stockpile off on the fire timer
Coolest shit ever!!!
Why do these missiles hit in the same place?
They prolly all have the same target.
Whats the range on it
Theoretically? Infinite.
how did you build the welding station
I need to inow too! (Mark me pls)
Dude how did you make that cluster of small conveyors connected to that advanced rotor??
There is a slim conveyor junction since warfare 2 for that, its under the large conveyors for small grid group
@@MajorJon Definitely one of the greatest blocks they have added. S tier. up there with the new inset light for sure.
Hmm my event controller doesnt want to turn the timer on when the tank gets at 60?
@andrew-xc2qi did you ever figure this out? im having the same issue
@@tim_gabriel my problem, if I remember correctly, was that the tank was filling past 60 BEFORE my event controller was done printing. So the EC wasn't registering it hitting 60. Trying to remember how I fixed it. Maybe a delay to the tank filling somehow? Or maybe it was just where my welder was that was building it in that order.
Funny I build a missile very simular to that for Willis ducts
Anyone one know how to stop the missile from coming to a complete stop and hovering if there is no target?
Set one of the forward thrusters to max override and make timer activate the block, in which it clears the launch bay then manuvering thrusters activate. Ai is on, as long as the ai does not select the overidden thruster you should have your missile keep moving.
I want to know the range of these suckers
I used this method to make a missile for one of my Sam vehicles and the first rocket works fine but if I copy paste it and place three more on the same chassis only one of them will track a target and the other three become brain dead does anyone know how to fix this .
I fixed this AI glitch with mass launch of missiles by adding couple of timer blocks, which turn AI behavior on and off few times after launch. It works for me in this order:
After build - both AI blocks are ON, and AI behavior for both is OFF
Timer 1 - Flight AI - behavior ON, Offensive AI - behavior OFF
Timer 1 second page - Flight - OFF, - Offensive ON
Timer 2 - Flight ON
I also use this timers to reduce thrust override to 0% (each action reduces by 5% and I can do only 10 per timer or only 1 for each engine per timer page) so I use 2 timers.
Thrust override is set to 100% before launch which helps to push missile quickly out of silo or just give it maximal starting acceleration
this is working wonders especially when the enemy ship is standing still, not shooting and not tactically jumping 5 km. but good demo
Super cool.... except you left out the hardest part of this build for a new player is attaching the small grid missile to the large grid base/ship. I cant figure out what parts yoyre using there
It took me a while to figure it out. He does skip over quite a bit and doesnt even realize it.
The block is called a conveyer converter and he attaches it to an advanced rotor WITH A SMALL HEAD.
(BUILD ROTOR, remove head, go to control panel, find ur rotor, click 'add small rotor head)
This allows fuel, or even components to flow through the large grid rotor and then the conveyor converter lets you add small blocks to it. Now you can have large grids with small blocks.
The small 2x2 part he makes with the connector/merge block/projector allows you to fuel the missile as well as project the missile for welding
I've tried this twice now and it won't launch. If I tell the "Timer Fire" to Trigger Now, nothing happens. If I tell the "Timer Delay" to Trigger Now or Start, that activates as it should. Any idea what's going on??
you probably have timer fire block off
Solved: The missile will launch FORWARD for me but not UP?? If you are operating in atmosphere, and therefore gravity, it will take more than THREE thrust overrides to clear launcher. Also. If fired without lock, it will Newton your ship. Hmmm
Why did the music get so loud at the end? Can't even hear you
So during my testing, once launched, the missles fly around and point at random targets (including my ship) like bees looking for a flower. and never hit anything unless I spawn them RIGHT on top of an enemy.
I have followed every step over and over and over, yet something seems wrong with their targeting. I have combat and move blocks settup exactly as you do. I have a mod that increases game max speed, but I only have the missile set to 100 m/s max.
I understand the event controls but there is only 1 enemy ship anywhere near my testing area and its massive. The missiles will fly back and forth and MISS the damn ship, like the ai os set to hit and run but I clearly have it set to intercept, ignore collision ect they just buzz back and forth until the hydrogen tanks empty and its extremely frustrating
I fixed my problem... this was my first time using the AI blocks. I havent played in about 2 years. There are many things the author of this video ASSUMES we know. It is not his responsibility to hold our hand, but the problem I had was that the AI blocks are directional and I had mine not at all lined up with eachother, or the correct sides of the missile. The AI blocks arrows need to face the front of your missile. It was causing massively wonky behavior as the AI blocks fought eachother like a married couple on a road trip.
Make sure your AI blocks are facing forwards and the correct sides are facing left/right.
Also, he uses a 'conveyor converter' block (which is also a new block) attached to an SMALL advanced rotor head- this allows him to use small blocks on large grids (though they count as seperate grids). I had to figure this out on my own.
If you connect the ports correctly, you can fuel your missile and even pass components/ammo between them
@@SteelHorseCorralhe did say make sure your movement block faces the right direction
You need to explain the builder more in depth
i dont like printed missiles bc it feels wierd/unrealistic but i like the clearing of a missile bay part. i think missile ships should actually carry the missiles they want to fire.
Not first :)
EDIT: nice video btw
"The most compact you can make it" no dude, you missile is fat.
welder & projecter being shit idk why