Sound Design Challenge: Radiohead - Everything In Its Right Place
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this series, we walk through reproducing a sound requested by my Patrons, building upon the basics covered in the Intro to Sound Design video: • So You Want to Make a ...
Today we cover the famous synth keys sound from Radiohead's "Everything In Its Right Place".
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SEM isn’t CEM. Sem was an oberheim synth with a multimode 2pole filter. cem chips were the 4pole low pass made in an ic package one of the first “filter on a chip” designs :) that’s why you’re noticing the big change between the SEM filter in pigment and the modeled CEM filter in the Arturia prophet V. :)
Ah thanks! Really good to know
I was surprised at having to read this far down the comments to see someone point this out.
@@RedMeansRecording the Prophet 5 was kinda voice to sound a bit like a polyphonic Minimoog. Dave Smith loved the Minimoog but wanted to play chords. So I would probably start with the ladder filter.
You could do a whole series just based on these two albums alone 😅
...and I would watch EVERY SINGLE SECOND. Hahah
I don't understand half of what I'm seeing or hearing, but these tutorials are very entertaining to watch nonetheless.
Right there with you 😂
Please try to do a SOPHIE sound.
Hard has some very interesting sounds
Radiohead was not a band I was really aware of until coming across them at some point on the early Internet. This song and Like Spinning Plates were my jam. 20 years ago me Thanks you for this Jeremy
me: wait a sound design tutorial for radiohead? is this really happening?
jeremy's arm tattoo: *glares in times new roman*
Hahhah
You're not here. This isn't happening.
It is really happening.
ICE AGE COMING ICE AGE COMING
The original sounds like it was recorded to tape, put through something like a Roland space echo (with no echo effect, just for saturation and tape speed effects), and then re-recorded. Other than that, the patch you created here is pretty damn authentic. Hats off to you (and grudgingly, Arturia ;-) )
You're right
Most Radiohead albums were recorded to tape, it’s how producer Nigel Godrich likes to work in order to keep the band sessions well-organised.
damnnnn... my fav song from my fav album and fav band of all times. Kid A is my # 1 from my top 10 list. Pigments is the best plugin to come close to reproduce this sound, in my opinion. I owned a prophet 5 back in the 90's. i sold it for a price, which would be a shame to mention it here. for sure, one of the biggest mistakes I did in my life!!! i wonder where is that synth now??
jeremy, your channel is about to hit my #1, man!!
you are doing such a wonderfull job...don't know what else to say
There’s a video on my channel if anyone’s interested :) gets pretty close!
First off, just wanna say thanks Jeremy! Been looking for more sound design tips
I feel like you should have charged me $99 for this. The practical application of synth concepts against known sounds makes it gel in 17 minutes. Playlist this series my man.
Love that Google suggested "Filter architecture of the Prophet Muhammad". Who knew he played synth? Wait, THAT'S WHY ALL THE PROPHETS WERE HIDING IN THERE!
Thanks Jeremy, appreciate how you made me listen to the actual texture and quality of the sound on its own. You've also made me more aware of the temporal changes of the sound as the track progresses. More of these videos, please!
This has been my favorite one so far - Thanks for putting these together, they are always enjoyable, and get me thinking about things in different ways.
This is definitely the first time I've heard Everything in Its Right Place described as Radiohead's breakout song.
SSI/SSM and CEM are not SEM. In fact the Prophet 5 was voiced to sound a bit like a polyphonic Minimoog. Most specifically the SEM is a multimode 2pole (12db slope) filter whereas the P5's filter is configured as a 4 pole lowpass ladder.
Cheers
I've tried to replicate Thom Yorke in my YT covers and no surpises, my attempt was built on a house of cards and everything went in limbo. How Idioteque of me... I guess I was too optimistic and in the end, the numbers didn't add up to create synergy like in 2+2=5... this experience left me high & dry with just one thought: How to disappear completely and never be found. I'm such a creep for daydreaming like that. "Prove yourself" I thought. Well, well, I promise I'll go slowly next time and watch your tutorial videos before! so Jeremy, you know what you have to do now?
- Radiohead joke :)
Lol
@@RedMeansRecording - Jeremy, have a listen to Blake’s tracks if you get chance. Amazing work.
@@leftmono1016 thanks man! (guess Jeremy gets these kind of requests a lot though but thank you!) btw, I had to up again one of the video you left a comment on so it was deleted in the process! sorry about that!
you did this to yourself
@@bobbytsunami3085 I do and that's what really hurts ;)
Anything Thom Yorke I click on... his new stuff is as good.. great job on this J (Can I call you that? :D)
Cat APPROVES!
Why did you duplicate the prophet ? Does it changes something about the stereo image ? I thought you where going to delay one side a bit to create a haas effect but apparently not🤔
Btw I love that short format, the fact that you show how powerfull plugins are when used by someone that understands sound design… and the fact that you choosed one of my favorite tracks !
Thanks for the constant inspiration mate !
A few suggestions for the next episode :
Jon Hopkins - Everything connected
Rival Consoles - Articulation
Call Super - Chiseler’s rush
Lorn - Acid Rain
Boddika and Joy Orbison - Mercy
"Secondly, this patch is almost surely recorded at least twice, and panned hard right and hard left. It was also recorded with the legendary Prophet 5 analog synth (using pulse waves), which has a particular character to its oscillators and filters. So, if your patch doesn’t sound exactly like the original from the get-go, don’t be discouraged. Since the Prophet has 5 voices to work with, be sure to turn the number of voices up to 5. You’ll find this option in the bottom left-hand corner of Helm."
You don't need to delay a channel to get the stereo effect and chorusing of the double tracking.
@@RedMeansRecording I was wondering about this too. I've always thought (based on what people have told me online) that if you simply duplicate a track in a DAW and hard pan them to left and right, you're simply making it louder. If the signal is *identical* in both channels it's still technically mono right? It's a different story if you record a guitar or vocal part twice since the two takes will never be truly identical, so the small differences between the left and right creates a wider sound.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't get how two identical signals panned left and right aren't still just mono.
@@a_8764 when the synth used has some randomness to its generation, the two channels will not be identical.
I believe the oscillator used was actually a square wave with a very narrow pulse width. This makes the sound a bit more nasal. Other than that great video! I like the demonstration of how much difference preamps can make
My favorite series by far on your channel, great tips! Would like to see an episode about Silent Hill 2 ambient pads, especially on the song White Noiz.
Who else is commenting before watching the whole thing
Anyways haven’t seen it all yet but great video and all Jeremy
There's a great preset for this sound on the Nord wave 2. It's pretty close. I can look later on and share parameters
The version you did here is amazing
so the patch on the wave 2 is located at D:22 [i think its factory, and I added my own layer D to it].
Heres the breakdown:
Layer A: Basic Saw, Amp-env transient on, Wheel controls cutoff, eq on, LP24 filter w/drive @ 2, Aftertouch controls tremolo amount
Layer B: Shape Square, 30% pw, amp-env transient on, Wheel controls cutoff, eq on, LP24 filter w/drive @ 2
Layer C: Shape Square, 50% pw, Amp-env transient on, LP24 filter w/drive @ 2, pedal controls layer volume [min off, max-8]
[Layers A - C EQs are grouped]
Layer D: Basic Saw, Amp-env transient on, eq on, LP24 filter w/drive @ 2, pedal controls cutoff and layer volume [cutoff: min 3, max 8; volume: min 5, max 3].
[the original patch didn't use layer D, but I added it in].
Almost forgot to notice, all layers have both unison modes engaged.
The amp and filter envelope ADSRs, Idk how to give an exact level amount w/o tweaking, which could change the readings. I kinda go by ear w/em.
Ok.... after this video youtube autoplayed the actual Wonderwall video....???
That has to be one of the strangest autoplays I've seen in... I dont even know how long.
My favorite synth patch of all time. I will forever be trying to perfectly recreate this sound.
Next up try
Matthew dear’s album
-Preachers sigh and potion
Song -Gutters and beyond
As always fantastic vid, kid a is one of my fav albums and it’s always fun to get a look into the sound design of experimental musicians.
yes yes yes!!!!!! love that song so much ❤️
This was one of the first sounds I tried to recreate when I got my korg volca keys, which was my first synth! 😎
nice work! so the left/right hard pan doubling is a big part of what makes this sound; nice trick to know. love the prophet V; that was an obvious choice for this (I've never used the VS part of it btw don't know what to do with it).
Kid A threw me for a loop on the first listening with how different it was, but after putting this track on repeat (with great headphones, for an hour or three) I grokked it. This patch is a pocket eargasm, very fun seeing what makes it tick!
It sounds like there is some internal drive into the filter which gives that nice crunchy sound that Pigments didn't have. It's amazing how simply designed yet musically sounding the old synths are!
Key Tracking
very cool dude. thanks
No Surprises :)
Might be a dumb question, but in the article you read from it said "pulse wave", but you recreated the sound using sawtooth waves. Doesn't "pulse wave" refere to square waves and such? That confused me but I could have misunderstood something.
I fucked up
Lol, I was going to ask the same thing. I mean, sure sawtooth and a short pulse wave sound very similar, but I was curious on the choice. I enjoy your videos, and your candor (re: "I fucked up", heh).
100% the song I thought of when you started this series. Man this is great stuff.
Instrument Rack demo at 7:45 shows one of Live's most underrated features.
As simple as it sounds, downloading some cool MIDI to loop while doing sound design... genius. Already applying it
Hey mate, would it be possible to contact you via Instagram? I have spent over 2 weeks (yes, really!) on recreating this sound, and I think I got a very good result, which you might be interested in. I have tried out multiple plugins and compression algorithms too. Very interesting video too, I never tried researching the original synth's specs. Nice Jeremy.
Edit: I also know that this isn't the exact purpose of the video, rather teaching techniques to learn, but I would love to share it with someone who has done a similar thing.
I'm in luck. I happen to have a rev 4. I would never have guessed just listening to the song, it was a P5.
My analog/digital version/suggestion:
I pretty much stumbled across it while tinkering. I use a Novation K Station, load up preset 300 (the default preset), lower the mod wheel almost to the bottom, & modulate the mod wheel as you play. I’ve been meaning to record it with a similar MIDI file & piping it into my DAW but I haven’t gotten around to it yet. Longtime fan, Jeremy. Keep on, keepin on!
Saw some dude recreate the background hum with step motors. Did they do that originally?
P5 does in fact have unison! Nice video Jeremy!
Til
would be great if you used vital for all these sound design video's so as not to exclude anyone
I don't really jive with vital and what I'm doing can be done on any decent soft synth
@@RedMeansRecording well u literally used the prophet soft synth because u weren't able to create it with pigments 🤣 So u kinda proved the opposite 😅 I get the idea but not everyone has acces to all the most popular vst bundles 🤷♂️
Question (for anyone really.): What are your opinions on buying into design ecosystems? I'm presently considering Omnisphere vs. Arturia V Collection 8. Please anyone share your thoughts. This was a great demo. That Prophet emu dialed the sound in rather quickly. Hahaha.
Hard choice honestly. You're gonna be good with either.
one of my favorite songs, nice work!
It's great how you made that sound! I'm going to try to make it on the Virus Ti2.
Terrific! I would say, it sounds as close as I can be using virtual gears.
No Surprises, that's a Radiohead joke LMAO
❤. You need to have more faith in software plug-ins over their hardware counterparts.
This was the one I posted on your Patreon! Dope! Thanks man.
Ayo really nice idea for a series I'm gonna binge
I just went and listened to the original, and there's a bit of attack that's missing from this. It's sort of a high frequency / air emphasis, almost a tiny click, at the beginning of each note that really gives it some great texture and dynamics.
Nothing goes to tape without processing.
it is sort of a kick noise panning between left and right, with a lfo controlling its level
Very nice, Jeremy! Some nice nuggets in there for sure
"No surprise there... that's a Radiohead joke " 😂
this sounds great! thanks for the video, Jeremy
Cool! Thanks for this! :)
Man I love this so so so so much.
Red means shy Prophets
Dang! I always thought this was just a processed rhodes sound... the more you know huh? Thanks for schooling me!
@@justinbernal1 yes live, not the recording
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL
This is amazing!!! Please make more!
I'm personally very interested in the Tenet soundtrack sounds (Freeport especially).
Tenet has that insane rising modular arp synth sound which I love.
@@RedMeansRecording I know right? 👍🏻
13:40 - it's getting biblical! 😁
Fantastic!
Great exercise. This sounds great, except I don't really agree with the "zero attack" rule :). I feel it sounds closer to the original with a very slight amp enveloppe attack, probably just a dozens of ms. This rounds things up a bit and sound less "robotic".
tune!
Man, you're really nailing it. This is one of my favorites Radiohead tracks.
It's six months on, but Alex Ball did a recent video on the Prophet 5 where he broke down a few songs that used it, including this one.
Super fun to watch. Love your channel. Unfortunately it doesn’t sound anything like the original ;) ❤️
Helllo thanks for all your awesome videos!
wanted to ask you about impoting the midi from the free midi website
i use live 9 and on that website i have an option of downloading the midi file or audio file
i cant seem to drag the midi file from the website directly from the free midi site
but i can only drag the mp3 audio from site and i have to chose wether it converts it to drums melody or harmony
which way did u use do get the notes ?
thanks in advance
Please do it with other songs! 20 Min by Lil Uzi Vert would be awesome
As it is, I own a prophet 5 and I have recreated this sound. And I play this song all the time.
So cool
Awesome recreation Jeremy! Really interesting to see the process of how you achieve the sound you are looking for. One thing I do feel I encounter in some of your videos is that your voice seems to be too low mixed compared to the music, so it can be a bit jarring when the synths start playing.
Love this series and look forward to seeing more of it!
Dude, those videos are so interesting... Thank you!
Blood hell I learned a lot watching this. Thanks man!
“Use your heart to do Google research” is the stuff we’re all actually here for.
Wow, so great Jeremy, thanks !
I think it’s awesome you have done it on midi. Kudos
I wish I was this smart :) Awesome video as always 👏
cool. love this type of vids. quick q: wouldn't get into some phasing issues with same synth hard panned? and related, would you get similar result by using something like an izotope imager and opening the width? thanks
Double tracking and imager aren't the same. And yes. Phasing will occur.
Hi Red, any fairly reasonably priced hardware recommendations for someone who wants to try out sound design for the first time?
Hydrasynth desktop?
one of my favorite vids of yours yet. I'm gonna give this a whirl in Diva. Casting a vote for the classic Tycho sound in future "So you want to make a sound…"
‘Envylope’ is a GREAT band name.. 🎛
Going to try on my OB6
considering your Patreon you have most likely more than enough money to buy a Prohet 5
I don't want one
i am looking for a voice’s tutorial but good sound 👍🏻
It's meant to be a Crumar DP-50, in fact Soniccouture's Attic 2 has an EIIRP preset based on the DP-80 that sounds absolutely spot on. Of course, I understand this excellent is about recreating sounds from nothing, as a disclaimer 😁