I am from Argentina, the other side the world, and have known of the impressive feat of Guy Gibson and the crew of 617 sqdn and have a deep respect and admiration for them
Why?the so called dambusters only managed to drown 2000 imprisoned women from Ukraine and Poland-in their sleep. Btw-these countries where British allies.
On 4 October 1943 Gibson began a tour of The United States and whilst in Washington DC., he attended a major Press Conference at the offices of the British Information Service in New York on 7 October. This was at a time when the first American airmen were coming home 'tour expired' after 25 operations. During questions one young lady asked, 'Wing Commander Gibson, how many operations have you been on over Germany?' He replied, 'One hundred and seventy-four.' There was a stunned silence" A truly great man.
If Gibson managed to fly 174 operations over Germany before finally being shot down (possibly by a Lancaster) he was a truly 'lucky' man. A good proportion of the 58,000 Bomber Command air crew who were killed over Germany didn't get to complete a single mission let alone 174.
@@haroldgodwinson832 He was indeed very lucky. But he wasn't shot down Harold, Its unsure whether the crash was caused by a mechanical fault or whether he just ran out of fuel?
@@beefabob A story emerged, I think in 2011, in which a Lancaster air gunner's pre-recorded statement (released after his death) indicates that he shot at what he subsequently believed to be Gibson's Mosquito over the same town in the Netherlands where the bodies of Gibson and his navigator where found. Apparently Gibson's Mosquito came up under the tail of the Lancaster where it was incorrectly identified by the crew as a Ju 88 and shot down. Other Lancaster crews in the area also reported seeing an aircraft with twin engines, out of control and burning over the town. The truth of the matter will probably never be known but it rings true to me.
@@haroldgodwinson832 Thanks for that Harold, I hadn't heard that explanation before and as you say we most likely will never know for sure? One thing I am sure of however... a great number of very brave men (in all three services) gave their lives in the fight for freedom during WWII. "We Will Remember Them."
History is history, you carnt change it, what you can do is point out to the offended that in the uk you are free to leave anytime you wish. This assault on OUR culture and history has to stop and be safeguarded.
They were just plain great, all of them, am 60, and have lived around the historic deeds of these fabulous men since 14, including the legless pilots Douglas Bader and Colin Hodgkinson. amongst them is Johnny Johnson , let's remember them always, for this breed of gentleman will never be seen again
My dad passed away a few years ago. We took his ashes back to Scotland. Before the ceremony, I took a stroll around the graveyard. A very pretty, well looked after cemetery. A real history lesson as you check out the graves. Discovered Thomas Barr Johnston from Bellshill, bomb aimer, on board C for Charlie, killed during Operation Chastise, the Dambusters Raid. So, good to know that my dad's in good company.
Steenbergen is about 15 minutes drive from where I live in the Netherlands. I have visited the graves a couple of times. Very moving and poignant. There's also a CWGC cemetery at nearby Bergen op Zoom where some of the airmen killed in the Dambusters raid are buried. We will remember them
I checked on Richard Todd,s age at the time they was making the film, he was 37 was 38 by the end of the film. Gibson was only 24 at the time a very Brave man.
It was a film and quite a lot of artistic license was taken..Yes he leaded the Dambusters and was a brave man but he wasn't a very likeable one....If you read the accounts of fellow pilots etc they drescribed him as bombastic arrogant, condescending etc....And with his bouncing bomb he missed the target, which happens...Was a difficult target to hit...But he still missed....
Bruce1956 - want to see what they have now done to a placard that was sitting at RAF Scampton, the place where 617 Squadron were based, it has been removed because some Nancy boys didn’t like the name of Gibson’s dog being mentioned. They forget, this was a time long past where such words had a different meaning and, they owe their freedoms today, because of great men like Gibson and his men. Shame on you.
I have visited the grave. I am hard of hearing and took my Hearing Assistance Dog with me, a black Labrador called Lyla. She sat by his grave and had her photograph taken. I don't think Gibson would have minded.
Want to see what they have now done to a placard that was sitting at RAF Scampton, the place where 617 Squadron were based, it has been removed because some Nancy boys didn’t like the name of Gibson’s dog being mentioned. They forget, this was a time long past where such words had a different meaning and, they owe their freedoms today, because of great men like Gibson and his men. Shame on you.
The dog was called Nigger, and he deserves to be remembered, especially since the gravestone that Guy Gibson gave him has been replaced by one that omits his name. The name was that of a dog, and does not refer to any person or people. Replacing the gravestone is a cowardly act of ingratitude towards Guy Gibson, who gave his life for our freedom.
Well said sir. This so called "political correctness is pissing a lot of people off, myself included. These brave men and all the others of Bomber Command must never be forgotten.
@@ABC_DEF Even in the film The Dam busters when it is shown on tv now the dogs name has been overdubbed with a different name, the dvd still contains the dogs correct name, whatever you cannot change history!
@King Royal Tell that to the 55.000 men of bomber command who fought and died to give us freedom. People are quick to complain about the allies bombing German cities. REMEMBER PORTSMOUTH, SOUTHAMPTON, COVENTRY, LONDON, DERBY and several other British towns and cities in which British civilians were murdered. The Germans started the bombing of British people.
@@georgielancaster1356 Yes that VC made him a bit of a superstar it also comes with its pitfalls like squadron leader Warwick not getting equal recognition.
Thanks for the great words and tribute for wing commander guy Penrose the Gibson and his navigated .to the Dutch people thank you pluses keep your self safe in this covid19.days
***SO SAD THAT GUY GIBSON V.C. DIDN'T SEE THE END OF THE WAR..WHAT A LEDGEND HE STILL IS..BLESS THEM ALL THE LONG AND THE SHORT AND THE TALL..************
If this piece is intended as a homage to an extremely brave man it is a failure. I suggest you get rid of the inappropriately dressed tourists and the gratuitous shots of the [ expensive ] parked cars.
It is a private tour by enthusiasts on their own expense. They can go where they choose, film what they want and present it as they see fit....got that. As for the "expensive" cars drivel, I assume you are a socialist.
@@hughgrection4205 Your pseudonym speaks volumes mon ami. My point, which you clearly failed to grasp, was that private initiative notwithstanding, poor taste should not be condoned when it purports to honour the memory of a brave man and his crew. And NO I'm not a socialist and do admire fine cars in their proper context.
In the ghost station books it’s rumoured that Gibsons aircraft was sabotaged by disgruntled ground crew because he was so harsh on them ie the fuel lines were loosened causing a fire which brought the aircraft down.
There is now a very strong case for friendly fire bringing Gibson down. The recording of the man responsible was made before he died but kept secret by his wife. She gave it to a researcher working for Peter Jackson, who had hoped to get the film made for the big anniversary. He had fired, thinking the Moz a German silhouette. Reported a kill and remembered being asked repeatedly, What made you think it was a German plane? I believe the crash was so awful, they thought there was one body, but then they found a 3rd foot. One of the feet had a sock with laundry tag G Gibson. They did not realise what that meant.
And it is mostly accepted now, lost to friendly fire, after the recording was offered to the researchers who were working for Peter Jackson, when he was aiming to refilm the movie before the big anniversary - which he missed because of the Lord of the Rings series. I remember reading that the crash was such a mess, they thought they had only one body - but then they found a 3rd foot. One of the feet had a sock with a laundry tag for G Gibson.
That's unfair, Angloaust - those brave American airmen were not 'directing traffic' (those in the higher eschelons of the American military were)...Fundamentally, no-one came out of WWII unscathed...
Some stayed on and did more. At one point, they only had to do 25 ops, and Commonwealth aircrew did 30. Then often they were offered instructor's jobs as less stress - but the planes to learn on were often old multi-repaired bombs. The student pilots could be useless and often the stress of instructing was worse than ops, so many returned to volunteer another 30. A number of instructors got through 30 ops and died instructing.
@Rob Why did that not get picked up in interview? Sounds like someone is trying to change what they don't want to believe. Not meaning you, but whomever told whomever told you... The petrol running out because both men forgot to change tanks is a very old story. Seems very dubious, if Gibson is the Golden Child of RAF - AND he had a competent Nav. I cannot see 2 men totally forgetting to change tanks when they were told they needed to do it, knowing the consequences. Gunner said where they were. Claimed kill. Repeatedly asked WHY did you feel it was a German plane? No German planes around.
The word is 'Porsche', & if you consider that a human life is worth less than a car, then your perception of life is truly warped...Rather than villify you, I actually feel sadness for your mindset...
@@andrewtongue7084 Well said. Can't even spell the name of his passion. No doubt he would be a black market petrol spiv through the war. Compare men... and shake head.
I am from Argentina, the other side the world, and have known of the impressive feat of Guy Gibson and the crew of 617 sqdn and have a deep respect and admiration for them
Why?the so called dambusters only managed to drown 2000 imprisoned women from Ukraine and Poland-in their sleep. Btw-these countries where British allies.
Operation Chastise was a complete failure, and a war crime.
See why Argentina supported the Axis.
Good for you, dear Argie 🇦🇷 🇬🇧
On 4 October 1943 Gibson began a tour of The United States and whilst in Washington DC., he attended a major Press Conference at the offices of the British Information Service in New York on 7 October. This was at a time when the first American airmen were coming home 'tour expired' after 25 operations. During questions one young lady asked, 'Wing Commander Gibson, how many operations have you been on over Germany?' He replied, 'One hundred and seventy-four.' There was a stunned silence" A truly great man.
If Gibson managed to fly 174 operations over Germany before finally being shot down (possibly by a Lancaster) he was a truly 'lucky' man. A good proportion of the 58,000 Bomber Command air crew who were killed over Germany didn't get to complete a single mission let alone 174.
@@haroldgodwinson832 He was indeed very lucky. But he wasn't shot down Harold, Its unsure whether the crash was caused by a mechanical fault or whether he just ran out of fuel?
@@beefabob A story emerged, I think in 2011, in which a Lancaster air gunner's pre-recorded statement (released after his death) indicates that he shot at what he subsequently believed to be Gibson's Mosquito over the same town in the Netherlands where the bodies of Gibson and his navigator where found. Apparently Gibson's Mosquito came up under the tail of the Lancaster where it was incorrectly identified by the crew as a Ju 88 and shot down. Other Lancaster crews in the area also reported seeing an aircraft with twin engines, out of control and burning over the town. The truth of the matter will probably never be known but it rings true to me.
@@haroldgodwinson832 Thanks for that Harold, I hadn't heard that explanation before and as you say we most likely will never know for sure? One thing I am sure of however... a great number of very brave men (in all three services) gave their lives in the fight for freedom during WWII. "We Will Remember Them."
Declaring a cruel murderer of innocent, enslaved by nazis women a hero-🤮🤮🤮
I have always liked the Dutch------------------this video has reinforced that!!
Guy Gibson VC a hero from our golden generation respect and gratitude forever.
And heroes live forever....
You better check out the results of their "heroism".
He was a racist anti-Semite.
History is history, you carnt change it, what you can do is point out to the offended that in the uk you are free to leave anytime you wish. This assault on OUR culture and history has to stop and be safeguarded.
They were just plain great, all of them, am 60, and have lived around the historic deeds of these fabulous men since 14, including the legless pilots Douglas Bader and Colin Hodgkinson. amongst them is Johnny Johnson , let's remember them always, for this breed of gentleman will never be seen again
Their breed is lost forever and this and coming generations will NEVER have it in them to do what these boys did when it had to be done.
@@williamgardiner4956 I think you might be right. There is something very impressive about Gibson flying close to 200 missions.
My dad passed away a few years ago. We took his ashes back to Scotland. Before the ceremony, I took a stroll around the graveyard. A very pretty, well looked after cemetery. A real history lesson as you check out the graves. Discovered Thomas Barr Johnston from Bellshill, bomb aimer, on board C for Charlie, killed during Operation Chastise, the Dambusters Raid. So, good to know that my dad's in good company.
I've just read Enemy Coast Ahead written by Guy Gibson. We owe so much to those brave men.
A book I keep meaning to buy
Check if you read the modern or old version. The old version was edited hard. The new version has a lot more criticism, etc.
Steenbergen is about 15 minutes drive from where I live in the Netherlands. I have visited the graves a couple of times. Very moving and poignant. There's also a CWGC cemetery at nearby Bergen op Zoom where some of the airmen killed in the Dambusters raid are buried. We will remember them
The country needed you and you didnt let us down . God bless a d keep you for ever
Excellent video, interesting to see the Dutch named a street after the man. I wish we in the UK could honour our fallen heroes.
Rest in peace Guy Gibson.
Hero...x
What about Warwick??
A true hero in every sense and a great man. Very well portrayed by Richard Todd in Dambusters
I checked on Richard Todd,s age at the time they was making the film, he was 37 was 38 by the end of the film. Gibson was only 24 at the time a very Brave man.
Need pull out of world am look after England first
A true fake hero,like the rest of these bastards.Air terrorists.
Todd was a wooden actor, and he was badly miscast as the anti-Semite.
It was a film and quite a lot of artistic license was taken..Yes he leaded the Dambusters and was a brave man but he wasn't a very likeable one....If you read the accounts of fellow pilots etc they drescribed him as bombastic arrogant, condescending etc....And with his bouncing bomb he missed the target, which happens...Was a difficult target to hit...But he still missed....
So good to see how well the graves are cared for.
All CWGC sites, around the world, are well tended by their own staff or contractors.
Wonder how the graves of the nazi's slave labourers he drowned are doing.
Theres.an.old.British RM.that often does.that.
RBL
Doesn't it make you so proud
Unquestionably heroes very bravery generation, thank you for mine and my families freedom awful circumstances we must never forget.
I visited the grave(s) years ago when living in The Hague. For me, who grew up in the '50s and '60s, this was a great honour.
We will remember them.
lets never forget them NEVER EVER FORGET THEM THEY FLEW AND FOUGHT FOR US WE WILL NEVER FOR GET THEM
Bruce1956 - want to see what they have now done to a placard that was sitting at RAF Scampton, the place where 617 Squadron were based, it has been removed because some Nancy boys didn’t like the name of Gibson’s dog being mentioned. They forget, this was a time long past where such words had a different meaning and, they owe their freedoms today, because of great men like Gibson and his men. Shame on you.
@@Bob-Horse in a time when pop stars and footballers are ' heroes' . These men who fought in WW2 (including my late father) are the real heroes
I have visited the grave. I am hard of hearing and took my Hearing Assistance Dog with me, a black Labrador called Lyla. She sat by his grave and had her photograph taken. I don't think Gibson would have minded.
Very moving video Guy Gibson & his crew were absolute heroes.
Recently stopped off at Steenbergen to pay my respects on a European drive around. A fitting place for a great man.
ALL THOSE AIRMAN FOUGHT WITH PRIDE< THE MAJORITY WERE VERY YOUNG CHAPS>>PRIME OF LIFE...WE BRITISH WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THEM WITH PRIDE
As time goes bye people will never forget we will always remember God bless
Gibsonstraat. Such respect.
Want to see what they have now done to a placard that was sitting at RAF Scampton, the place where 617 Squadron were based, it has been removed because some Nancy boys didn’t like the name of Gibson’s dog being mentioned. They forget, this was a time long past where such words had a different meaning and, they owe their freedoms today, because of great men like Gibson and his men. Shame on you.
The dog was called Nigger, and he deserves to be remembered, especially since the gravestone that Guy Gibson gave him has been replaced by one that omits his name. The name was that of a dog, and does not refer to any person or people. Replacing the gravestone is a cowardly act of ingratitude towards Guy Gibson, who gave his life for our freedom.
Well said sir. This so called "political correctness is pissing a lot of people off, myself included.
These brave men and all the others of Bomber Command must never be forgotten.
@@ABC_DEF Even in the film The Dam busters when it is shown on tv now the dogs name has been overdubbed with a different name, the dvd still contains the dogs correct name, whatever you cannot change history!
@@nickb5391 I have the DVD in which the dog is given his correct name.
@King Royal Tell that to the 55.000 men of bomber command who fought and died to give us freedom. People are quick to complain about the allies bombing German cities. REMEMBER PORTSMOUTH, SOUTHAMPTON, COVENTRY, LONDON, DERBY and several other British towns and cities in which British civilians were murdered. The Germans started the bombing of British people.
The other grave is of Squadron Leader Warwick RIP
I feel very sad for him and family. Always overlooked.
He was said to have an easy going temperament. Gibson was not easy
@@georgielancaster1356 Yes that VC made him a bit of a superstar it also comes with its pitfalls like squadron leader Warwick not getting equal recognition.
Thanks for the great words and tribute for wing commander guy Penrose the Gibson and his navigated .to the Dutch people thank you pluses keep your self safe in this covid19.days
deep respect
God Bless them all
R.I.P.
***SO SAD THAT GUY GIBSON V.C. DIDN'T SEE THE END OF THE WAR..WHAT A LEDGEND HE STILL IS..BLESS THEM ALL THE LONG AND THE SHORT AND THE TALL..************
Bedankt dat je ons tolereert.
Yes the only TRUE HEROES that deserve to be knighted.
yes.
actors and pop stars ? get knighted , these lads did it for us not money,, for the place stinks !!!
And medical researchers, etc.
They can save millions they will never meet
It's gobsmacking to think that this guy was only 24 when the raid took place. RIP Guy.
The raid was a costly failure, and a war crime.
What a hero
Guy Gibson VC, DSO & Bar, DFC....
I called into steenbegen on one boating holiday. And only discovered later that gg was buried there.
If this piece is intended as a homage to an extremely brave man it is a failure. I suggest you get rid of the inappropriately dressed tourists and the gratuitous shots of the [ expensive ] parked cars.
It is a private tour by enthusiasts on their own expense. They can go where they choose, film what they want and present it as they see fit....got that. As for the "expensive" cars drivel, I assume you are a socialist.
@@hughgrection4205 Your pseudonym speaks volumes mon ami. My point, which you clearly failed to grasp, was that private initiative notwithstanding, poor taste should not be condoned when it purports to honour the memory of a brave man and his crew. And NO I'm not a socialist and do admire fine cars in their proper context.
Per ardua ad astra
Thanks for the great words and
In the ghost station books it’s rumoured that Gibsons aircraft was sabotaged by disgruntled ground crew because he was so harsh on them ie the fuel lines were loosened causing a fire which brought the aircraft down.
There is now a very strong case for friendly fire bringing Gibson down.
The recording of the man responsible was made before he died but kept secret by his wife. She gave it to a researcher working for Peter Jackson, who had hoped to get the film made for the big anniversary.
He had fired, thinking the Moz a German silhouette. Reported a kill and remembered being asked repeatedly, What made you think it was a German plane?
I believe the crash was so awful, they thought there was one body, but then they found a 3rd foot.
One of the feet had a sock with laundry tag G Gibson. They did not realise what that meant.
Very sad.
he flew over one hundred missions before being killed
And his base is now being used to house illegal immigrants.
Absolute hero and legend. Killed while flying a Mosquito, another aircraft he loved flying.
And it is mostly accepted now, lost to friendly fire, after the recording was offered to the researchers who were working for Peter Jackson, when he was aiming to refilm the movie before the big anniversary - which he missed because of the Lord of the Rings series.
I remember reading that the crash was such a mess, they thought they had only one body - but then they found a 3rd foot.
One of the feet had a sock with a laundry tag for G Gibson.
American airmen only did so
Many missions then home side
British ones not so fortunate
That's unfair, Angloaust - those brave American airmen were not 'directing traffic' (those in the higher eschelons of the American military were)...Fundamentally, no-one came out of WWII unscathed...
Some stayed on and did more.
At one point, they only had to do 25 ops, and Commonwealth aircrew did 30.
Then often they were offered instructor's jobs as less stress - but the planes to learn on were often old multi-repaired bombs. The student pilots could be useless and often the stress of instructing was worse than ops, so many returned to volunteer another 30.
A number of instructors got through 30 ops and died instructing.
He should have been tried for war crimes in 1943.
Quelle sale mani de toucher les tombes cela ne vous appartient pas toucher vos fesses.
So sad. It now seems that Gibson was shot down by an RAF plane.
no proof
TheGalwayFarmer A statement by an RAF bomber rear gunner ties in with Gibson’s type of plane, location and time of crash.
@Rob Sources?
@Rob Why did that not get picked up in interview?
Sounds like someone is trying to change what they don't want to believe. Not meaning you, but whomever told whomever told you... The petrol running out because both men forgot to change tanks is a very old story. Seems very dubious, if Gibson is the Golden Child of RAF - AND he had a competent Nav.
I cannot see 2 men totally forgetting to change tanks when they were told they needed to do it, knowing the consequences.
Gunner said where they were. Claimed kill. Repeatedly asked WHY did you feel it was a German plane? No German planes around.
I feel more about porches than the Gibson!!!
The word is 'Porsche', & if you consider that a human life is worth less than a car, then your perception of life is truly warped...Rather than villify you, I actually feel sadness for your mindset...
@@andrewtongue7084 Well said.
Can't even spell the name of his passion.
No doubt he would be a black market petrol spiv through the war.
Compare men... and shake head.
Well quite, Georgie. There are those with a fathomless mentality, but it's mostly based around self-centredness... Enjoy your week ahead 🙂