Why are we here? I've meditated on this simple question for years. This morning during meditation about something else, the answer came through loud and clear. "You are here to explore your self." So simple. In fact, we are here doing exactly what consciousness is doing.....exploring Itself as you, me, and everything else. You are it and It is you. Very cool. Be kind. Have fun. 🙏🏽
My experience is that my lifestyle is conditioned so that the rewards for my efforts and compliance is the experience of love and beauty, thereby justifying my conditioned lifestyle. Can I change my lifestyle so that love and beauty are fundamental to my life`s purpose and not a reward? I`m not sure is feasible in this dream.
@@kennethhaughan104 change a life style is a result of shift in consciousness. Is something that happens when you when you recognize your true nature . you become detached from your personal story.i am talking about my own experience. may be you find this helpful. ruclips.net/video/8OsS9jJFMSU/видео.html
No matter how much I try to understand all this and no matter how many peak experiences and sudden understandings I’ve had that there is no “me,” that all there is is god, etc etc I still eventually end up insanely depressed and ready for all this to be over despite having some fear about death.
2000 years ago Jesús gave a perfect answer to the question of this lady. The solution of the world suffering is neither a new religion, nor a new ideology and much less any kind of revolution. The solution (using the non dual language of Jesus) is the recognition that we all SHARE THE SAME FATHER.
I understand all this intellectually but I do not really know it yet. I still have to clear my mind, I still feel myself as If I was a sperate self. I know that I have to completely uproot the seperate self that has it's roots in my body, in emotions and feelings. But I am happy to see Rupert so happy, his face! Pure light and joy. Peace and happiness. I am happy to be like this too in reality. I just have not uprooted the seperate self that's why I sometimes fall back into the identification with the body-mind.
you won't see what rupert is getting at unless you disassemble the illusion of being a separate self. i'll suggest an exercise to help with that... observe your experience. when a thought appears notice there is just the thought - no thinker appears, because there is no thinker. you are not the thinker of thoughts. when a sound appears notice there is just the sound - no hearer of the sound appears, because there is no hearer. you are not the hearer of sounds. when an emotion appears notice there is just the emotion - no feeler of the emotion appears, because there is no feeler. you are not the feeler of emotions. do the same with colors, smells, tastes, sensations (itches, pain, pressure, hot/cold sensations etc) reality is an indivisible 'field of knowing' - also called pure awareness. that's what you actually are! it'll take a bit of time and work to do this stuff but it really has to be done to see the truth. good luck!
Sorry, I never understood this line of "experiments" / "exercises"or explanations... When I think, the thought comes and there is no thinker. But that is the exact logic why I should assume that I am the thinker, isn't it? If I dream, I only see the dream and hence I am the dreamer. I am the creator of that dream. Even if you expand that and come to the understanding like this video that I conjure up this " dream" which is we know as reality of cause and effect, it doesn't take away from the fact that I am the dreamer nonetheless.
You're confused, of course you're the thinker of thoughts and the hearer of sounds. When a thought appears, you perceive the thought but you are not the thought. Technically thoughts are also you but they are a transitory part of you, the fixed part of you remains ever unchanged and unmoving. That's pure awareness. Saying there is no thinker and hearer and feeler is just you confusing yourself.
I think what he/she means is there is no ‘entity’, no tangible person that hears or feels, there is hearing and that is known, but there is no ‘hearer’ as such, not that can be located in space and time and pointed to, the one that hears is awareness, there is only the awareness that hears, feels etc, so I don’t see any disagreements here
The Dao that can be explained is not the true dao. Yet Lau tsu went on to pen 2 books in an attempt to explain the inexplicable. Jesus his 12 did some work on his behalf to also explain the inexplicable.
I believe that we come willingly into this dimension of time and place to absorb dark energy which comes in form of adversity and convert it to light therefore causing expansion of our universe.
It seems funny to me that in Tibetan Buddhism, that I’ve studied for decades, the highest teaching is called dzogchen and to receive dzogchen instructions we need to study, meditate, do prostrations, accumulate mantra repetitions, developing a strong faith and devotion for the guru...etc. And it takes years to complete all that. Then you can start receiving instructions on dzogchen but this too will be given one drop at a time. And you need to meet one on one with the lama so that he can give you the highly anticipated “pointing out instruction”. All of Rupert Spira’s videos on RUclips are just this pointing out instruction. Exactly the same instruction but A LOT easier to understand though.
But without those requirements you list the teachings will not 'stick', because your mind is not ready to receive them. You may understand them intellectually and have a pleasant or unpleasant emotional reaction to them, but it will change nothing for you. Worse still, it might be that the concepts in Dzogchen and these 'teachings' here will become yet another object, from which you are separate.
Upon inspection causes and effects are of course attributed arbitrarily, just like the splitting of a whole into parts is always done arbitrarily... For me this is what is meant by "what you put out, is what you get back." And, "The meaning you give to things, determines the effect you get from them". In a way that is a deeper kind of cause and effect, they both exist in the now and are inseparable from your perspective.
John Wayne wants to play a sheriff. He plays this character so well, that he really believes to be a sheriff. After some movies he suffers of all the problems of a sheriff and he longs for peace. So he listen to the teaching of Rupert, who is telling him, that he is not a sheriff. He is only playing a sheriff and all the bullets in his body are only fake looking real )))
Thinking to use a metaphor if infinite attention is an undivided blanket it is still possible from that perspective to notice ripples in that blanket, even more so than picking out finite points with a limited discriminating mind. Vaguely recollect Dogen pointing to the relative in absolute , and the absolute in the relative - not how we usually look at cause and effect.
Whether we believe it or not the law of cause and effect exists. It is a law of the universe itself - like gravity - whether we like it or not if you throw something in the air it will fall back to earth its the law of gravity The law of cause and effect is in front of our eyes. Plant a mango seed and see a mango tree grow that is cause and effect for you In human existence some results following our actions are not experienced in this life time as existence doesn’t end in one life time That’s why we sometimes can’t see the results in one life time.That is why we ask the question - because in certain occasions we can only see the effect or the result but not the cause itself which took place a few life times ago During our life time we create new causes and suffer or enjoy the results of our previous actions
@Magus ..The questions were genuine and quite profound. You either lack the depth to appreciate them or you already are an enlightened master yourself albeit with the least tolerance.
My point is: Consciousness plays the game of a separate Self......and in this game it experience good and bad, love and hate, peace and war...because consciousness WANTS this roller-coaster !!! Consciousness WANTS to be happy or depressed and NOT avoid it. Its only a game, a story, its Leela. A movie of only angels is boring )))
@@leelanjoy there is no need to wake up UNLESS THERE IS. Paradox. A need for a seperate self to awaken is one of the activities of concsciousness so to speak. And yet everything is exactly as it should be.
@@conradambrossi738 No, its not parroting Alan Watts, it is parroting Satyam Nadeen....and by the way, all teachers are "parroting" the philosophy of non-duality since thousands of years )))
The notion of cause and effect presented here is not what medieval philosophers took to be cause and effect. There question was a question of ontological dependence, and this can be asked without respect to time. Cause and effect, even on the view Rupert holds, is still relevant.
I agree. I think these teachings are pleasing for people who like the ideas and find some perhaps temporary comfort in them but without the action of working on the functioning of the mind through practice of meditation. Some elements of these teachings are very similar to the Buddhist teachings on emptiness, which are traditionally forbidden to be taught to people whose minds have not been prepared through a certain depth of practice - with good reason I think.
@@sugarfree1894he does recommend meditation. I am doing meditation and have experienced non duality where everything dissappear a When you focus on the awareness and silent introspect you become slowly Enlightened. Look up Ramana Maharishi and Robert adams
Death is a concept in the dream and the ultimate worry and fear that is the glue that keeps the self intact. True awakening is dying. The end of your life ever having happened.
No this us not a correct view of the two truths ...ultimate and relative truth...real is relative ..meaning any perceived phenomena by the five senses is relatively present mand must be attended to on that level. The ultimate truth needs no wor ds or labels..as it does not need those to exist.. as he says infinite cosmic consciousness.. but be relative and real as you are a human who is alive....he says this at the end..but hovis hopeless to me as a teacher.
The problem comes from using words - like dream. Its no help to grasp a concept, if it was real experience the question would not arise. She is trying to be something she is not.
Finding it difficult to accept Rupert's contention regarding the dream analogy, that there is no "cause and effect" in the dreamed world. Of course there ought to be cause and effect. A dream is perceived either as a result of the chemical and electrical activity of the material brain or as the unfettered expression of hidden desires of the subconscious mind. Whichever way you chose to view it, definitely the contents of the dream have cause and effect associated with them. How can one declare that there was no "cause effect relation" to the dream just because one is woken up ?!
May I ask about Karma. Karma based on the Buddha’s teachings is a cause and effect / law of karma that carries through time and through reincarnations. How do we reconcile this teaching with what Rupert is saying? thank you.
Meditate every day in silence for 30 minutes over how ever many years and you will maybe find out :) These teachings never talk about that. They have removed the work aspect from their presentation. Maybe you already meditate :)
A mistake that is so easily made once we learn that indeed what we experience is via perception and mind, is that we akin this to a dream. Surely, we even experience dreams when we sleep and thus cant decide any more what the difference is. But it is a mistake to akin an expearience to a dream. Why not link an experience to reality? Why not? Afterall it is made of exactly the same stuff as dreams. When you call it reality it grounds you to where you are. There is no other reality for you at this very point. It would serve truth seekers best not to call themselves consciousness, because it is not an entity, individual, a mental projection of an isolated event.. consciousness is a phenomenon upon which reality occurs. And reality is what there is. A dream's got a rather elusive feature in which one is allowed to anything at all. Since there are millions of people watching these teachings, one can never know for sure how different psyches respond to it, rendering them loose. Just replace the word dream with reality and noone will get confused and still on the right track. My advice to people seeking understanding is to handle confution that occurs while attuning to new perspectives by shutting everything down and seek understanding alone.. what makes sense and what doesnt. I came across a comment once that was funny but offered lots of wisdom. A girl got overwhealmed by spiritual discussion and gave her final reply: i will worry about the soul stuff once i am in the soul's kingdom..
Ontologically, the best word in the human vocabulary to describe or point at the very fabric/substance of Reality (divided into Mind/dream & Matter) is Conciousness. Yes, Dream is subtle Conciousness and Matter is gross Conciousness vibrating at different "states."
@@jrjohannes1 i cant disagree with you on this because i really cant see is it really consciousness that vibrates.. or is it the mind? Which then offers a clear picture what generates realities.. thanks for the pointer ;)
Because you are still dreaming and you are looking at the world in your view in the dream, so wake up first before trying to understand reality in your dream. You can't.
What are these teachings for? They're nice, but how do they help? They seem like a cop out to me, to be honest. It seems to be motivated towards absolving 'us' of responsibility for 'our' actions and the effects of those actions on 'others'.
When you talk about the subject in an intellectual way (like it is done on this channel) you never really get to a point of true undoubtable understanding. But the actual experience itself, without words, leaves no room for doubt. But you cannot prove it to another. Up to a point, yes. Rupert is a master in putting to words the unspeakable. But still, you will not be convinced on an existential level by just listening to a man explaining it in a rational way. "What if it is not like this?" The mind can go on forever trying to understand things. But the real understanding will not be to that mind. It comes only when that same mind is silenced and you yourself see how things are.
@@Sydebern nice answer, i hears it before, i heard it also in more complex ways, and i still forgot it... did you expeeience it? And it was clear without any doubts?
@@medwaca I experienced moments of degrees of so called 'ego-loss'. Probably not complete ego death, since my ego is well and alive. ;) But yes, when 'you' are not there, the understanding is crystal clear. Because simultaneously with the disappearance of 'you' the world and all 'others' also disappear. Rather, it is seen i, the world and others have never even really existed in the first place. It is tacitly and palpably understood, seen and felt that all in existence is of the same nature/substance. And without the commenting mind, there is harmony, peace, serenity, deep joy and happiness.
To my understanding yes, to the limited self not to unlimited consciousness. Whilst the limitations of the body-mind occur this will take effect. Note in the Gītā and other texts they talk of being free of karma once ‘enlightenment is realised’. This used to confuse me but what Rupert talks of here explains that
I love the teaching of Rupert. For me he is a brilliant mind like Ramesh Balsekar. But in this case I do not agree. Rupert: "If we would understand that we all are consciousness, we would act accordingly. There would not be conflicts no war etc.....I agree much more with Satyam Nadeen: "The source want gain experience and not avoid it". There will be never a world (dream) without conflicts and war.
Sorry to hear that old Satyam knows all worlds and universes to be able to place the Infinite into a box by saying "there will never be...." and so then belittling the Infinite down to a circumscribable finite thing. Seems he has allowed his huge all-seeing-ego to blind and fool him that he would disparage the Infinite in such a way. Though I suspect he has no clue --- shame on him....and those who believe in a lesser God. Rather than follow in Nadeen's foolishness, I would venture to say that there are countless worlds of peace and brotherhood simply because in Infinity there is everything (and I suspect most is beyond our grossly limited imaginations) .
JamesThomas i agree, just not with the part concerning his ego. It is always the ego, that sees the ego and no need to shame on him, thats not who we are and thats not what he needs. But otherwise, great comment🙏
If, as Rupert often alludes, awareness is completely resistance less, completely open, spacial etc, it knows no duality, no good or bad, it just knows knowing, all experience is equal so to speak, so why is consciousness considered inherently loving and peace itself? It’s just open indifferent awareness, irrespective of content, so that doesn’t bode well for peace on earth does it?
Captain Kirk sent this one over... "Come Not Between the Dragons". :) ruclips.net/video/uSFHGyLYQ-c/видео.html --"Come Not Between the Dragons" - Star Trek Continues One of the things that catches my attention on this episode is how negativity can spread out just like a bad orange kept in contact with several good oranges in one basket. If the negative spreads out so does positive, no? 💞
The experience of no separation between self and other is egocentrism. Egocentrism is the inability to differentiate between self and other. More specifically, it is the inability to untangle subjective schemas from objective reality and an inability to accurately assume or understand any perspective other than one's own. For example, priests having sex with children and Bishops hiding and excusing that behavior is egocentric behavior. The priest collapses the boy with his own emotional and physical needs, thereby justifying and obscuring the impact of his behavior. The Bishop hides and excuses the priest's behavior by collapsing his own emotional attachment to protecting the church with the boy. Thereby the Bishop regards the boy's purpose as an extension of his own personal emotional agenda. In contrast, a mind that has transcended the egocentric stage of development consciously considers that the boy has separate and distinct emotional and physical needs from anyone else. And those needs can only be respected when not collapsed with the personal agendas and emotional worlds of others.
@@therainman7777 you stated "because his teachings explicitly declare" which means his ego is announcing its personal decisions publicly. The belief that a declaration about human behavior is the same as consciously distinguishing an observable component of human behavior is an example of egocentrism.
Some people intuit that the nature of reality or the nature of the self is something different than how it is popularly understood, and furthermore are interested in finding out for themselves the truth of the matter, as best they can. For some, it is an interest in truth for its own sake. Others have heard that to understand and align oneself with this truth is a reconciliation which brings a great amount of peace, and contentment or happiness, or at least diminishes needless resistance. The inquiries and responses given here are part of that investigation. Think of it as similar to a scientific interest in whether or not the Earth is flat (say, thousands of years ago, before it was conclusively understood). It would be perfectly reasonable for someone to come along and call the inquiry "nonsense", because whether it was round, flat, square, trapezoidal or whatever would have zero bearing on day-to-day life. Yet, to others, especially in the future when the answer had a bearing on technological advancement, it would be a valid and fruitful investigation.
oneofthepeoplehere I’m more talking about how they’re masturbating mentally with concepts instead of opting for an experiential investigation of what they’re talking about. They should realize that all that conceptual baggage gets in the way of seeing the reality they’re trying to understand.
Oh,well, you're right then. I think the questioner is just a "beginner" into the inquiry so to speak. I remember when I was younger I also confused mysticism and conceptual worldviews with the "truth" that I was seeking. I feel like it's a normal stage to go through. Even now, though I see that the entirety of my mind and the inner life therein is an object in consciousness, I find that I still identify with it and have a still-too-strong emotional investment in risk aversion. All I can do right now is shrug at it. Even in meditation, though I theoretically "know better", I can't help but take a mental recon of my experience rather than just witnessing from outside of the mind. Any pointers?
Been listening to this stuff for years and still none of these gurus have been able to reveal an actual point. They just keep creating noise around the simple and obvious experiential fact: “I am experiencing life”. It’s like asking “what is the MEANING of 2+2”, just a pointless nonsense question. Keeps the audience coming back I guess..
@@01234cinco Rupert is 'meeting the person where they are at'. The 'nonsense' is to benefit them. And he seems to refer people to their experience in every exchange he has with someone. Perhaps you should have asked "why am I watching this?"
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His ability to explain with so much clarity is second to none.
Why are we here? I've meditated on this simple question for years. This morning during meditation about something else, the answer came through loud and clear.
"You are here to explore your self." So simple. In fact, we are here doing exactly what consciousness is doing.....exploring Itself as you, me, and everything else. You are it and It is you. Very cool. Be kind. Have fun. 🙏🏽
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"Experience of love,experience of beauty are ways to experience absence of separation."
LOved it!
My experience is that my lifestyle is conditioned so that the rewards for my efforts and compliance is the experience of love and beauty, thereby justifying my conditioned lifestyle. Can I change my lifestyle so that love and beauty are fundamental to my life`s purpose and not a reward? I`m not sure is feasible in this dream.
@@kennethhaughan104 change a life style is a result of shift in consciousness. Is something that happens when you when you recognize your true nature . you become detached from your personal story.i am talking about my own experience.
may be you find this helpful.
ruclips.net/video/8OsS9jJFMSU/видео.html
3 and 1 indeed. Namaste 🙏
This has to be one of the most potent succinct quote-filled rupert spira videos i have seen...
No matter how much I try to understand all this and no matter how many peak experiences and sudden understandings I’ve had that there is no “me,” that all there is is god, etc etc
I still eventually end up insanely depressed and ready for all this to be over despite having some fear about death.
Rupert has such clarity, it just illuminates whoever come across his talks...
2000 years ago Jesús gave a perfect answer to the question of this lady. The solution of the world suffering is neither a new religion, nor a new ideology and much less any kind of revolution. The solution (using the non dual language of Jesus) is the recognition that we all SHARE THE SAME FATHER.
Absolutely… Rupert is a spiritual Hack
Rupe-dawg is just the best
until he's not
but he always is..so....
@@FrancisHut until you're not you mean
Viviane Francisca Gee, I am curious what you have found to disappoint you... :)
@@leslielepeska4759 they arent disappointed. Maybe quite the opposite. Maybe they found themselves.
Keep on Rupert with your greatful "work"......OM............................................
Infinite brilliance you are Mr. Spira! Truly 🙏🏻♥️🙏🏻
I loved the intrusions of love and beauty into this world.
wow unveiling the truth together. Reflections of awareness knowing itself.
Don't worry about the environment, take care of the environment.
I understand all this intellectually but I do not really know it yet. I still have to clear my mind, I still feel myself as If I was a sperate self. I know that I have to completely uproot the seperate self that has it's roots in my body, in emotions and feelings. But I am happy to see Rupert so happy, his face! Pure light and joy. Peace and happiness. I am happy to be like this too in reality. I just have not uprooted the seperate self that's why I sometimes fall back into the identification with the body-mind.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
All the world's a stage and we are merely players.
This is so so clear , thank you so very much ❤
you won't see what rupert is getting at unless you disassemble the illusion of being a separate self. i'll suggest an exercise to help with that...
observe your experience.
when a thought appears notice there is just the thought - no thinker appears, because there is no thinker. you are not the thinker of thoughts.
when a sound appears notice there is just the sound - no hearer of the sound appears, because there is no hearer. you are not the hearer of sounds.
when an emotion appears notice there is just the emotion - no feeler of the emotion appears, because there is no feeler. you are not the feeler of emotions.
do the same with colors, smells, tastes, sensations (itches, pain, pressure, hot/cold sensations etc)
reality is an indivisible 'field of knowing' - also called pure awareness. that's what you actually are!
it'll take a bit of time and work to do this stuff but it really has to be done to see the truth. good luck!
Sorry, I never understood this line of "experiments" / "exercises"or explanations...
When I think, the thought comes and there is no thinker. But that is the exact logic why I should assume that I am the thinker, isn't it? If I dream, I only see the dream and hence I am the dreamer. I am the creator of that dream.
Even if you expand that and come to the understanding like this video that I conjure up this " dream" which is we know as reality of cause and effect, it doesn't take away from the fact that I am the dreamer nonetheless.
You're confused, of course you're the thinker of thoughts and the hearer of sounds. When a thought appears, you perceive the thought but you are not the thought. Technically thoughts are also you but they are a transitory part of you, the fixed part of you remains ever unchanged and unmoving. That's pure awareness.
Saying there is no thinker and hearer and feeler is just you confusing yourself.
I think what he/she means is there is no ‘entity’, no tangible person that hears or feels, there is hearing and that is known, but there is no ‘hearer’ as such, not that can be located in space and time and pointed to, the one that hears is awareness, there is only the awareness that hears, feels etc, so I don’t see any disagreements here
@@jjjos yes what she /he means is there is no 'entity ' as such only activity of seeing, hearing etc
If there is no hearer of the sound, and no knower of the sound, the experience of the sound can not happen, there is no sound
a true Master in explaining this topic...
He's awake
The Dao that can be explained is not the true dao. Yet Lau tsu went on to pen 2 books in an attempt to explain the inexplicable. Jesus his 12 did some work on his behalf to also explain the inexplicable.
I believe that we come willingly into this dimension of time and place to absorb dark energy which comes in form of adversity and convert it to light therefore causing expansion of our universe.
I like that :)
13:16 this is everything ❤
Rupert's nicest haircut yet! 👍
lol
It seems funny to me that in Tibetan Buddhism, that I’ve studied for decades, the highest teaching is called dzogchen and to receive dzogchen instructions we need to study, meditate, do prostrations, accumulate mantra repetitions, developing a strong faith and devotion for the guru...etc. And it takes years to complete all that. Then you can start receiving instructions on dzogchen but this too will be given one drop at a time. And you need to meet one on one with the lama so that he can give you the highly anticipated “pointing out instruction”. All of Rupert Spira’s videos on RUclips are just this pointing out instruction. Exactly the same instruction but A LOT easier to understand though.
But without those requirements you list the teachings will not 'stick', because your mind is not ready to receive them. You may understand them intellectually and have a pleasant or unpleasant emotional reaction to them, but it will change nothing for you. Worse still, it might be that the concepts in Dzogchen and these 'teachings' here will become yet another object, from which you are separate.
"Every single particle is a duality of Cause & Effect, responsible of itself" -ogl
I go on about true nature at work and ask others what they think their true nature is and as I expected, I got answers such as animal or evil.
Nothingness. It's so obvious. It's very loud nothingness.
@@IT-fj1nx In Sanskrit, "Satchitananda" which means Absolute Existence which is Absolute Awareness which is Absolute Joy.
@ 6:32 - 6:40...so profound...so well said...
Amazing, thanks.. Xx
Perfection as always by Rupert
Upon inspection causes and effects are of course attributed arbitrarily, just like the splitting of a whole into parts is always done arbitrarily...
For me this is what is meant by "what you put out, is what you get back." And, "The meaning you give to things, determines the effect you get from them". In a way that is a deeper kind of cause and effect, they both exist in the now and are inseparable from your perspective.
good question. lets listen.
John Wayne wants to play a sheriff. He plays this character so well, that he really believes to be a sheriff. After some movies he suffers of all the problems of a sheriff and he longs for peace. So he listen to the teaching of Rupert, who is telling him, that he is not a sheriff. He is only playing a sheriff and all the bullets in his body are only fake looking real )))
Rupert’s version is much clearer
Thinking to use a metaphor if infinite attention is an undivided blanket it is still possible from that perspective to notice ripples in that blanket, even more so than picking out finite points with a limited discriminating mind. Vaguely recollect Dogen pointing to the relative in absolute , and the absolute in the relative - not how we usually look at cause and effect.
Whether we believe it or not the law of cause and effect exists. It is a law of the universe itself - like gravity - whether we like it or not if you throw something in the air it will fall back to earth its the law of gravity
The law of cause and effect is in front of our eyes. Plant a mango seed and see a mango tree grow that is cause and effect for you
In human existence some results following our actions are not experienced in this life time as existence doesn’t end in one life time
That’s why we sometimes can’t see the results in one life time.That is why we ask the question - because in certain occasions we can only see the effect or the result but not the cause itself which took place a few life times ago
During our life time we create new causes and suffer or enjoy the results of our previous actions
I agree, that is karma and reincarnation. These teachings refute it, it seems to me.
My god! Rupert has amazing patience. Can't stand how this woman was asking a question.
Alvern Magus Yeah this lady seems obnoxious
That is the main job of a teacher - having patience with students.
@Magus ..The questions were genuine and quite profound. You either lack the depth to appreciate them or you already are an enlightened master yourself albeit with the least tolerance.
I didn't find her objectionable in any way at all. Different perceptions eh?
My point is: Consciousness plays the game of a separate Self......and in this game it experience good and bad, love and hate, peace and war...because consciousness WANTS this roller-coaster !!! Consciousness WANTS to be happy or depressed and NOT avoid it. Its only a game, a story, its Leela. A movie of only angels is boring )))
And it WANTS to wake you up! So AWAKEN
@@IT-fj1nx There is No-body and therefore no need to wake up. All is IT.
@@leelanjoy there is no need to wake up UNLESS THERE IS. Paradox. A need for a seperate self to awaken is one of the activities of concsciousness so to speak. And yet everything is exactly as it should be.
Roman Korber haha lol that’s just parroting good old Wattsy.
@@conradambrossi738 No, its not parroting Alan Watts, it is parroting Satyam Nadeen....and by the way, all teachers are "parroting" the philosophy of non-duality since thousands of years )))
The notion of cause and effect presented here is not what medieval philosophers took to be cause and effect. There question was a question of ontological dependence, and this can be asked without respect to time. Cause and effect, even on the view Rupert holds, is still relevant.
Rupert is smart...
Lord buddha said all this and taught it better to all different minds. This man is way too conceptual for my taste.
I agree. I think these teachings are pleasing for people who like the ideas and find some perhaps temporary comfort in them but without the action of working on the functioning of the mind through practice of meditation. Some elements of these teachings are very similar to the Buddhist teachings on emptiness, which are traditionally forbidden to be taught to people whose minds have not been prepared through a certain depth of practice - with good reason I think.
@@sugarfree1894he does recommend meditation. I am doing meditation and have experienced non duality where everything dissappear a
When you focus on the awareness and silent introspect you become slowly Enlightened. Look up Ramana Maharishi and Robert adams
So good as always! Thank you🙏
Interesting how ‘hole’ (emptiness) and ‘whole’ (full, complete)
Worrying is part of the dream.
Death is a concept in the dream and the ultimate worry and fear that is the glue that keeps the self intact.
True awakening is dying. The end of your life ever having happened.
so we are all one
I like the Buddhists' "real but not true" concept.
No this us not a correct view of the two truths ...ultimate and relative truth...real is relative ..meaning any perceived phenomena by the five senses is relatively present mand must be attended to on that level. The ultimate truth needs no wor ds or labels..as it does not need those to exist.. as he says infinite cosmic consciousness.. but be relative and real as you are a human who is alive....he says this at the end..but hovis hopeless to me as a teacher.
He confuses with his language without a foundation to approach his ideas. Spitting in the wind..
The problem comes from using words - like dream. Its no help to grasp a concept, if it was real experience the question would not arise. She is trying to be something she is not.
What is the cause that you as the effect thereof is able to allow you to speak?
Finding it difficult to accept Rupert's contention regarding the dream analogy, that there is no "cause and effect" in the dreamed world.
Of course there ought to be cause and effect. A dream is perceived either as a result of the chemical and electrical activity of the material brain or as the unfettered expression of hidden desires of the subconscious mind. Whichever way you chose to view it, definitely the contents of the dream have cause and effect associated with them.
How can one declare that there was no "cause effect relation" to the dream just because one is woken up ?!
Mohaneesh Honavar listen again... you’re hearing wrong
May I ask about Karma. Karma based on the Buddha’s teachings is a cause and effect / law of karma that carries through time and through reincarnations. How do we reconcile this teaching with what Rupert is saying? thank you.
My question is, if there is no cause and effect, how do we have free will, or do we?
I think Rupert and his ilk say that no, we don't.
Rupert looks exactly like the American actor Anthony Perkins who played Norman Bates in Psycho
WHAT DOES THE KNOWER DO AFTER THE KNOWING? OR AFTER GETTING IT KNOWN?
The knower dissolves. The dream and dreamer.. Both vanishes
Meditate every day in silence for 30 minutes over how ever many years and you will maybe find out :) These teachings never talk about that. They have removed the work aspect from their presentation. Maybe you already meditate :)
A mistake that is so easily made once we learn that indeed what we experience is via perception and mind, is that we akin this to a dream. Surely, we even experience dreams when we sleep and thus cant decide any more what the difference is. But it is a mistake to akin an expearience to a dream. Why not link an experience to reality? Why not? Afterall it is made of exactly the same stuff as dreams. When you call it reality it grounds you to where you are. There is no other reality for you at this very point. It would serve truth seekers best not to call themselves consciousness, because it is not an entity, individual, a mental projection of an isolated event.. consciousness is a phenomenon upon which reality occurs. And reality is what there is. A dream's got a rather elusive feature in which one is allowed to anything at all. Since there are millions of people watching these teachings, one can never know for sure how different psyches respond to it, rendering them loose. Just replace the word dream with reality and noone will get confused and still on the right track. My advice to people seeking understanding is to handle confution that occurs while attuning to new perspectives by shutting everything down and seek understanding alone.. what makes sense and what doesnt.
I came across a comment once that was funny but offered lots of wisdom. A girl got overwhealmed by spiritual discussion and gave her final reply: i will worry about the soul stuff once i am in the soul's kingdom..
Ontologically, the best word in the human vocabulary to describe or point at the very fabric/substance of Reality (divided into Mind/dream & Matter) is Conciousness. Yes, Dream is subtle Conciousness and Matter is gross Conciousness vibrating at different "states."
@@jrjohannes1 i cant disagree with you on this because i really cant see is it really consciousness that vibrates.. or is it the mind? Which then offers a clear picture what generates realities.. thanks for the pointer ;)
Because you are still dreaming and you are looking at the world in your view in the dream, so wake up first before trying to understand reality in your dream. You can't.
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What are these teachings for? They're nice, but how do they help? They seem like a cop out to me, to be honest. It seems to be motivated towards absolving 'us' of responsibility for 'our' actions and the effects of those actions on 'others'.
How could one act if not as the effect of one Cause?
Is it apparent,it seems things are happening,but they are not.
What if it is not like this?
When you talk about the subject in an intellectual way (like it is done on this channel) you never really get to a point of true undoubtable understanding. But the actual experience itself, without words, leaves no room for doubt. But you cannot prove it to another. Up to a point, yes. Rupert is a master in putting to words the unspeakable. But still, you will not be convinced on an existential level by just listening to a man explaining it in a rational way. "What if it is not like this?" The mind can go on forever trying to understand things. But the real understanding will not be to that mind. It comes only when that same mind is silenced and you yourself see how things are.
@@Sydebern nice answer, i hears it before, i heard it also in more complex ways, and i still forgot it... did you expeeience it? And it was clear without any doubts?
@@medwaca I experienced moments of degrees of so called 'ego-loss'. Probably not complete ego death, since my ego is well and alive. ;) But yes, when 'you' are not there, the understanding is crystal clear. Because simultaneously with the disappearance of 'you' the world and all 'others' also disappear. Rather, it is seen i, the world and others have never even really existed in the first place. It is tacitly and palpably understood, seen and felt that all in existence is of the same nature/substance. And without the commenting mind, there is harmony, peace, serenity, deep joy and happiness.
Then you simply exist and experience as you do now.
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I thought cause and effect (karma) carries through all our lives
To my understanding yes, to the limited self not to unlimited consciousness. Whilst the limitations of the body-mind occur this will take effect. Note in the Gītā and other texts they talk of being free of karma once ‘enlightenment is realised’. This used to confuse me but what Rupert talks of here explains that
It does, and liberation/enlightenment only occurs when every seed of karma has been fructified to its end or burnt away through practice.
I love the teaching of Rupert. For me he is a brilliant mind like Ramesh Balsekar. But in this case I do not agree. Rupert: "If we would understand that we all are consciousness, we would act accordingly. There would not be conflicts no war etc.....I agree much more with Satyam Nadeen: "The source want gain experience and not avoid it". There will be never a world (dream) without conflicts and war.
What If you know and do not avoid but enjoy - and explore = ?
Sorry to hear that old Satyam knows all worlds and universes to be able to place the Infinite into a box by saying "there will never be...." and so then belittling the Infinite down to a circumscribable finite thing. Seems he has allowed his huge all-seeing-ego to blind and fool him that he would disparage the Infinite in such a way. Though I suspect he has no clue --- shame on him....and those who believe in a lesser God.
Rather than follow in Nadeen's foolishness, I would venture to say that there are countless worlds of peace and brotherhood simply because in Infinity there is everything (and I suspect most is beyond our grossly limited imaginations) .
JamesThomas i agree, just not with the part concerning his ego. It is always the ego, that sees the ego and no need to shame on him, thats not who we are and thats not what he needs. But otherwise, great comment🙏
If, as Rupert often alludes, awareness is completely resistance less, completely open, spacial etc, it knows no duality, no good or bad, it just knows knowing, all experience is equal so to speak, so why is consciousness considered inherently loving and peace itself? It’s just open indifferent awareness, irrespective of content, so that doesn’t bode well for peace on earth does it?
@@adunnou2075 Well, shame on me ;-)
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Captain Kirk sent this one over... "Come Not Between the Dragons". :)
ruclips.net/video/uSFHGyLYQ-c/видео.html --"Come Not Between the Dragons" - Star Trek Continues
One of the things that catches my attention on this episode is how negativity can spread out just like a bad orange kept in contact with several good oranges in one basket. If the negative spreads out so does positive, no?
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The experience of no separation between self and other is egocentrism.
Egocentrism is the inability to differentiate between self and other. More specifically, it is the inability to untangle subjective schemas from objective reality and an inability to accurately assume or understand any perspective other than one's own.
For example, priests having sex with children and Bishops hiding and excusing that behavior is egocentric behavior. The priest collapses the boy with his own emotional and physical needs, thereby justifying and obscuring the impact of his behavior.
The Bishop hides and excuses the priest's behavior by collapsing his own emotional attachment to protecting the church with the boy. Thereby the Bishop regards the boy's purpose as an extension of his own personal emotional agenda.
In contrast, a mind that has transcended the egocentric stage of development consciously considers that the boy has separate and distinct emotional and physical needs from anyone else. And those needs can only be respected when not collapsed with the personal agendas and emotional worlds of others.
The ego is the mechanism that is determining Rupert’s behaviours.
@@therainman7777 you stated "because his teachings explicitly declare" which means his ego is announcing its personal decisions publicly. The belief that a declaration about human behavior is the same as consciously distinguishing an observable component of human behavior is an example of egocentrism.
@@therainman7777 what is the definition of egocentrism?
What’s the point of all this nonsense?
Some people intuit that the nature of reality or the nature of the self is something different than how it is popularly understood, and furthermore are interested in finding out for themselves the truth of the matter, as best they can. For some, it is an interest in truth for its own sake. Others have heard that to understand and align oneself with this truth is a reconciliation which brings a great amount of peace, and contentment or happiness, or at least diminishes needless resistance. The inquiries and responses given here are part of that investigation.
Think of it as similar to a scientific interest in whether or not the Earth is flat (say, thousands of years ago, before it was conclusively understood). It would be perfectly reasonable for someone to come along and call the inquiry "nonsense", because whether it was round, flat, square, trapezoidal or whatever would have zero bearing on day-to-day life. Yet, to others, especially in the future when the answer had a bearing on technological advancement, it would be a valid and fruitful investigation.
oneofthepeoplehere I’m more talking about how they’re masturbating mentally with concepts instead of opting for an experiential investigation of what they’re talking about. They should realize that all that conceptual baggage gets in the way of seeing the reality they’re trying to understand.
Oh,well, you're right then. I think the questioner is just a "beginner" into the inquiry so to speak. I remember when I was younger I also confused mysticism and conceptual worldviews with the "truth" that I was seeking. I feel like it's a normal stage to go through. Even now, though I see that the entirety of my mind and the inner life therein is an object in consciousness, I find that I still identify with it and have a still-too-strong emotional investment in risk aversion. All I can do right now is shrug at it. Even in meditation, though I theoretically "know better", I can't help but take a mental recon of my experience rather than just witnessing from outside of the mind. Any pointers?
Been listening to this stuff for years and still none of these gurus have been able to reveal an actual point. They just keep creating noise around the simple and obvious experiential fact: “I am experiencing life”.
It’s like asking “what is the MEANING of 2+2”, just a pointless nonsense question.
Keeps the audience coming back I guess..
@@01234cinco Rupert is 'meeting the person where they are at'. The 'nonsense' is to benefit them. And he seems to refer people to their experience in every exchange he has with someone. Perhaps you should have asked "why am I watching this?"