The Venue Security Drama Continues... (We Came As Romans vs. Fete Music Hall)
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
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The We Came As Romans/Fete Music Hall Security situation takes another turn, with the actual venue releasing a statement addressing their venue security and why the show had to be cancelled.
00:00 Intro / Story Background
01:17 FOOD (Factor Ad)
03:36 The Venue's Statement
05:41 Security Was Used To Metal Shows
07:15 Who Really Cancelled The Show?
08:49 Something Doesn't Add Up
11:34 Peoples' Experience At The Venue
17:08 Videos Of The Incident
19:32 My Take On How Everything Was Handled
22:01 Use This As A Learning Moment / Outro
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Security has no right to assault you. They can escort you out. They can carry you if you resist but they cant choke you, punch you, grab your hair or do ANY of the things that were described here. This is assault with intent to cause greivous bodily harm. If youre attacked like that by security merely for violating some spurious rule you need to file charges. Get a lawyer, have your lawyer freeze their records so deleting footage becomes a crime and sue them. Some security teams hire sadists who use venue rules as an excuse to beat and injure patrons for fun. This is criminal. It doesnt matter that the music is heavy or that you were moshing. Moshing does not give security cart blanche to begin beating patrons. Nowhere on your ticket does it say you are agreeing to be injured and assaulted by venue staff. Record it. Get it to the cops. Press charges. That is the only way that this crap stops and venues like this are held accountable. They could have killed someone. By the accounts being displayed it sure looks like they were trying. Just my opinion but if you see something like this going down amd you do nothing then you are part of the problem. Dont be part of the problem. Be part of the solution.
Don't forget to recycle all that plastic.
I'm the dude security kicked out...I did not receive multiple warnings from anyone at the venue for anything. I was hanging somewhat front stage with my fiancé and 2 friends jumping around getting into bodysnatcher. A couple of others pushed me around as expected, but there wasn't even a mosh. Seemed everyone was intimidated by the 3 floating bouncers standing in the crowd...I was blinded by a flashlight and was grabbed by my hood while another arm was pushed into my throat. I was back peddaled into and through the side door and was slammed into the ground multiple times. I was not aggressive towards security throughout any of this. I was trying to breath while this particular security card had his forearm pushed into my throat not allowing me to get up off the ground. It was until some of the road crew came outside that this angry security guard finally got off of me. I have been in contact with the manager at fete who was very stand off-ish in the beginning of our conversations. He told me that the venue will not be hiring that particular security company again and that he wants to make this right with me for whatever that's worth. I'm a 36 year old professional at this stage in my life. I've been to hundreds of metal shows over the past 20 plus years and I have never been kicked out of a show nor have I ever been treated like that at a show. I'm embarrassed over what transpired even though I know none of this is my fault. All I can say is that I love Providence, but I will never attend another show there. Metal bands stick to the Worcester Palladium.
Tank: I’m sorry if you can’t take me seriously in costume
Me: I’ve never taken you more seriously
He's Mr goddamn incredible, I'm sst with notepad ready
Hahahahaha
Agreed, we need to start a petition for Tank to dress this awesome for all future videos
Me too. True dad moment 😊
It gave him the comments he wanted.
Dude, dad being good dad, you're all good. It looks funny but I really appreciate you embracing this for you daughter.
He couldve taken it off for the video but then he wouldn't get comments like these.. good brand building I guess
@@RAAZR- Yeah, but I filmed the video while we were streaming on Twitch on Halloween, so it would have defeated the purpose. I don't know how it's "brand building" when it's a costume I'm literally going to wear once. Haha
@@TankTheTech I think he means brand building as far as looking good as a person as far as being a good dad, personable, all around good guy etc. I'd consider it a compliment 🙂
@@RAAZR-You're dumb af bro
For the children
I'm a local RI musician and I've played Fete before as a headliner.
The place is a shit show, and the person behind bookings/producer is a clown. I'm never setting foot there again after my experience.
And then all of this happened, and while a tragic situation, I'm glad to see this venue on full blast.
I hope it keeps up into a full blown lawsuit by the people and the band on one side security on the other to the point after this the security team is in jail/ban from working there in a court order and they have a gig lined up without any security at all, with a Country Bar Band type solution similar to the Chicken wire with wood/plywood only more beefy like a hand made to the size of the stage to ceiling chain link fence with metal side bars for the front as the only protection as nobody wants to be a security guard for the venue, even the companies for hire.
I do believe the band said they were booked by a third party booking company, for whatever that’s worth
I never got to play Fete but living in Boston for 9 years I had many friends who did, and heard a lot of stories. This is nothing new.
I play there regularly with my band (New Haven, CT). I was almost locked out by security because I stepped outside for fresh air after my set. They were refusing to let me back in to get my gear. I had to convince them to let me back in. They were pissed I needed two trips to carry 2 guitars, a head, a 2×12, and 2 bags of cables and personal items. That was the last show we played there.
I was on a band from southeastern mass. Played the fete a bunch when Justin was a booker. Haven't played there in over 2 years (band broke up) We never had or saw a problem anytime we played there.
So i was there, at that show that night.
For one: bodysnatcher didn't just walk off the stage. They first announced something to the effect of: "hey, if you guys aren't going to let people have fun, we're not gonna keep playing" then they played another whole song. And it was only AFTER that, when security dragged the one guy out the back doors, that Bodysnatcher said they were done and walked off stage.
And also, the decision to cancel the rest of the show wasn't immediate at all. It was a solid half hour to 45 minutes ish of us just standing around and waiting to see if the others bands were gonna go on. And only after all that waiting for they announce the show was canceled due to "technical difficulties"
And yeah, can confirm that security was shining bright lights right in people's faces, was acting really hostile and just generally being aggressive and crappy
One question: do you know what cased the sarcastic aplause by the band member?
@@andrebrodbeck3883 I mean, I wasn't even there and I can assume it was him (the crew member) clapping at security in response to the band being done playing, essentially applauding security for the show to be shut down.
@@TankTheTech yeah i also could make a guess, but i rather ask a POTENTIAL eye witness if i ever have the chance.
I went to the Fete for Summer slaughter in 2019 and had miserable experiences for the total opposite reason. People in the crowd being dicks and security was way too lax about it. The band’s performing put on a good show, the atmosphere just ruined it.
@@toyotaecwmaybe they dramatically over compensate now lol...
Yea, I’m not gonna believe this venues statement. Comments turned off is always a dead giveaway that they want no criticism. Also,this tour is ongoing, not one venue complained about the bands before the Fete show and no one else has since, which leads me to believe it’s a “you” problem with the venue management and security
Or they don’t want a thousand idiots sending death threats because nobody seems to have a balanced view. Hope the bands refunded their money
@@brendonross5774based on the many reviews that span several years all regarding their security and how the venue typically responds, I think this is very obviously a case of a shitty venue refusing to take accountability and not wanting people to comment proving them wrong.
@brendonross5774 do you work for the venue?
Where there's smoke, there's fire, my dude. It's obvious that the venue is in the wrong
especially the fact that it's so vague. they give maybe a few sentences about the actual altercation while the rest is 'oopsies we're so sorry' while WCAR fuckin wrote an essay detailing specific events and laid out a timeline, and one that matches with fan statements too. so yeah, a venue at fault writing a very vague apology deflecting blame that doesnt match up with the general tale of events ? yaok bud
I'll disagree with the turned off comments part. They know people have made up their minds already and the comments will be nothing but a string of personal attacks.
Having been to Fete before, their security staff suck and they definitely have a pretty poor reputation to say the least. Based on personal experiences, I'm not exactly inclined to believe their side of the story is anything other than trying to pass off blame.
Most people I worked with in venue security were meatheads. I'm more surprised when I hear about good security than bad. These guys go into this to get into "legal fights."
You find it hard to believe that there was one psycho asshole that was trying to fight everyone, and security finally decided to remove him?
@@Acemechanicalservices I find it hard to believe a venue with a reputation for overly aggressive security over any number of people who actually attended the show when it comes to an incident which paints the venue in a bad light
@@Acemechanicalservicesyou believe that every single person is lying except for the venue?
@@GeekFurious That flashlight shit sounds like a total cop move. As does the general attitude. Do they use moonlighting police for security?
Fans have no reason to lie about security. This sounds pretty believable that the security was awful.
a lot of google reviews about security at this venue. Here is one..... Aidan Dwyer
4 reviews·2 photos
a year ago
Went to go see a stacked lineup last night and it was an amazing show, aside from security. Metal and hardcore fans steer clear, security here is only looking for fights. Throwing out people left and right for moshing and don’t even try to justify it saying “we try to keep people from getting hurt”. It’s a hardcore show we expect to get hurt. If I get bumped into security don’t throw me to the ground. Security has another thing coming if they’re trying to pick fights and settle it “off the clock”. Bozos all of em high and mighty on a power trip.
stop crowd killing and mosh with other moshers
@@sirundying fr, what does a circle pit have to do with moshing? that's just dragging everyone into the fray and we do not all appreciate that. some of us actually like music.
@@freedustin if u dont want to be in the pit dont go in the pit. imagine youre standing up way behind the pit and ppl come and punch you in the face ( crowd killing, wich is what was happening at that show ). thats not fun and thats not proper show etiquette. no wonder moshers get beaten up often if they do this at the wrong show.
@@sirundying Buddy half of these show are pit only. so knock it off.
Is security walking among crowds a common thing in America? I've been to Multiple gigs in the UK, all genres from classic rock, to power metal to deathcore, from crowds of 50-60 to crowds of 40k and never seen security other than behind the fence at the front. I get it if someone is starting fights or passed out or whatever, but just randomly patrolling?
How dare you feel the need to justify dressing up.
As someone who knows Kyle personally, the vocalist of bodysnatcher, there is NO WAY he would behave in an aggressive manner like that without reason. I was at the show after this one and he was so drained which was sad.
Kyle and all of bodysnatcher are genuine sweethearts so the only thing that makes sense to me is what the fans say
PS, all of the stream comments about there not being video, who TF takes videos of most pits like that?? Enjoy the show and have fun. Plus if you're at the front and in the pit you're not going to see them beating up someone outside
Oh I'm not trying to take one 30 second clip I saw and judge the dude's entire personality. I understand the emotion in the heat of the moment.
Also, lots of people take videos in pits like that nowadays, to be fair. But yes, if you're inside at a show you're not gonna see them beating someone up outside.
I went to a show that had a punk/emo lineup at around 2k capacity. It had been a long time since I had been to a mid/smaller venue. It was about as large as those bands could probably play in an extremely popular area for them. It is a pretty stark contrast to more mainstream artists as to how little of the crowd recorded on their phones. Most of the people there seemed to be actual huge fans of the bands and not to brag about it on social media. I think resellers for the most part don't pay much attention to that market so everyone who bought a ticket was someone who truly wanted to be there. It is kind of refreshing to be at a show like that. I am not surprised at all we don't have a lot of video footage but I wouldn't doubt there is more that just has not been publicly posted. Events like this are a reason for bands to have a recording of all of their shows in some form. I wouldn't not doubt some of the video footage wouldn't be released by people associated with the band due to inevitable litigation.
Dealt with Fete security in the past and had quite an episode with them. Kicked me and a few friends out for moshing but security was very unprofessional and violent. Never been back since. Happy that their security team is getting this exposure.
Also I’ve been able to find reviews as far back as 7 years ago that highlight similar accounts of aggression by security. It’s definitely not an isolated incident. Bands and booking companies need to be cognizant as to where they’re booking there clients as well. Everyone do your homework!
The venue’s lawyer wrote a really nice sterile response.
I always want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but when the venue's story is that the only people in the wrong were the band and one attendee and everyone else contradicts them, they lose all credibility. This whole "venue security bullying concertgoers" thing has to stop.
I love the juxtaposition of the serious, nuanced, and grounded discussion of an important topic, with the fun of the costume, it's great actually.
Unfortunately, as with most things, you only get to see the aftermath. Not a lot of people filming a mosh pit waiting for a security beatdown.
To me it seems very odd that there is no footage of any of the claims I've read about.
It's true that in the sense nobody was filming just waiting for something bad to happen.
But every show I've been to in recent years has half the crowd holding up their phones.
So while you're point is valid. It still seems odd and unlikely there is no real footage to coaborate the claims I've read. Especially since most phones now you just push 2 buttons and you're recording.
I'm sure there is enough truth to the claims that the security team did act inappropriately. But based on the wide range of claims I've read (probably happened - to - sounds like a stretch of a story). It'll be hard to ever really find out what happened or how far things went because the claims that flirt into the "unlikely/embellished" territory start to devalue the situation.
@@bmir89theres nothing odd about it. Fete is tiny and people arent going there filming. Been to dozens of shows there. No one really cares to film. Metalheads arent the type to have their phone out all show in a tiny lil venue like that
@jleighwolfe
I've seen plenty of metalheads holding phones at shows..
But regardless, even if nobody was in the act of holding their phone. Based on the stories and accusations that have floated around, this incident seemed to be somewhat prolonged. It wasn't a 20 second thing that was over.
Stories of people being dragged out of bathrooms and verbally and physically assaulted, even outside the venue - isn't a snapshot occurrence.
To say that nobody had their phone on them, just isn't realistic. It takes a second to pull out your phone and hit record.
"We warned you 3 times now, Youre done" What security at the Hawkeye downs told me when i went crowd surfing during lamb of gods set(happened in 2006 or 2007). One of many wearing the 2005 Slipknot tour shirt. I got kicked out the first time id ever gone crowd surfing(literally the very first time). Got to hang out with Matt, Paolo and Corey(Trivium) though till the end of the show. Few months later at a godsmack show i got robbed while crowd surfing(second time up. Guy grabbed my hair pulled my head down, gouged my eyes, broke my nose, took my wallet before security grabbed me, pulled me over the baricade and shoved me away while i couldnt see let alone walk, Took the band pointing me out to one of the other guards before i got help to the medics). Crap security and crap venues need called out and dragged for these kinds of things otherwise its just going to keep happening over and over.
Damn, you got the shit knocked out of you and they decided YOU deserved to be kicked out?! That's fucked up.
Damn ... what a story!
@@InkAndPoet 2 different shows. The one i got kicked out of was Lamb of god At hawkeye downs(LoG, Trivium, Machine head, and iirc Gojira.) The one i got robbed was at the Mark of the quad cities for a godsmack show. Took the medics like 10 minutes to dig my contacts out of my eye from that one so between that and the police report i missed the end of the show. Really didnt make a good impression to a teenager exploring music tastes though. I have since worked security my self( Hollywood bowl 2008-09) and gotten to see how the situations should have been handeled.
I worked event security in providence for 3 years (2014-2017), roughly 70ish concerts and 3 pride events. Things can get crazy... but I've never seen shit like that happen. I'll be super embarrassed if any of the security for that concert were people I worked with previously
Back in the nineties i was working a U2 concert. The tour manager told us that if Bono saw us mistreating fans, he would call us out and have us thrown out.
To be fair... you wear the costume better than most. Your daughter should be proud.
As someone who once worked in venue security, I laughed when they said their staff was trained... that's the funniest thing they could have said. The training? A meeting where no one is paying attention... this is how you get shows where the band wants X and the venue security has no idea even though they were briefed because no one was paying attention in "training."
No need to apologize lol, it's great seeing dad's being cool 😎
regardless of the drama... You and Claire are both incredible because you dressed up for your daughter! the picture is so cute and i hope you all had a fantastic halloween dude!!
Curb your parasocial relationships 😂
its not being parasocial lol its finding a happy family online and being happy that they are happy. its human nature to smile at something wholesome. youre just a braindead basement dweller whos jealous of happy people.@@sentientcardboarddumpster7900
I'm a 59 year old metalhead. I have been to more shows post covid than the rest of my life combined, a number of times it was WCAR. One thing I can attest to is the sense of community and goodwill among the attendees. Everyone is welcome, everyone gets along. I've seen flashlights used for the safety of crowd surfers and to get medical attention. The bands cooperate. Something here had to be different.
Security can make or break a venue for a lot of people. A lot of my Colorado homies despise Fiddler's Green because their security does not understand alternative or rock culture
Security are one of my make or break factors for a venue. I travel a lot for shows and have seen enough security who fit that stereotype of "Failed cops who abuse the shred of power they get as venue security". I've also seen plenty of great security. It's now at that point when I'm considering, I check google reviews, reddit, and some social networks to see if it's worth all of that planning and money before a night gets ruined
So I'm an audio engineer fri-mon and a historian tu-thu - it's not like there's any money to be had in History, but in case it ever picks your fancy: I think you'd be a decent Historian! Really enjoyed how you first let both sides speak, but then confidently and with experience went about evaluating the two.
Personally talked to Kyle (lead singer for BS) at the Harrisburg PA show.. won’t go into detail, but from what he told me, they made the decision to cancel out of safety for quite literally every party involved. Band was in good spirits, they just hate that venue and have it blacklisted
I don't doubt any of that at all. Not saying you are, but a lot of people are mistaking me for bringing up the "antagonistic" part like I was saying it was the bands' fault, which it wasn't. Just saying at that point, it's like poking an already aggressive bear.
@@TankTheTech I had to change screen names so I don't get recognized. I'm a local and I wasn't at the show... But am very familiar w the venue. The bar staff is cool and that's about it. Shout out to my buddies ex GF for the drinks. I haven't been there post pandemic so I'm sure somethings have changed. However I've known some of these people for 20 plus years. I've known security at that venue for 11 or 12 years. There used to be a techno club .:Therapy next door that closed right around the same time Fete opened. So that's were they got most of their security from. These guys were no joke. They sold drugs, robbed people, beat and kidnapped people at the techno club. There was the incidents of girls getting r@ped on G. Their is no way security wasn't turning a blind eye or involved in those r@pes. Now Fete is NOT an open air drug market like .:Therapy was. However these are the SAME guys. I've seen them do all kinds of violent and fucked up things over the years. Hence me changing screen names... I def don't wanna get cracked in the back of the head w a flashlight at a show.
Tbh, going into detail is like, one of the best things you can do during this discussion. Lol
@@TankTheTech my favorite part was when Kyle said he was standing up to security because “what would it look like if I’m in this band that sings about fucking people up and getting scared at a venue security guard” 😂
I'm lucky I've never had to deal with anything like that in all the shows I've gone to.
I've seen times where security was in the pits with flashlights, but not blinding people, and then leaving. And have seen times where rail security was annoyed at crowd surfing, but would grab them and send them on their way.
you have a great delivery of facts with a clear "I wasn't there" and ability to see both sides and be fair to both sides. I really respect that about your videos
As a vocalist in 3 bands I've had to deal with dumbass and aggressive security at venues.
The worst thing I've had was a guy in the front being slammed on his head for being a dickhead.
With that out of the way. I think this whole situation is one big clusterfuck. The fact that there is accounting evidence not just from this show but from people who have played at this venue speaks volumes of how much they are talking out of their ass.
I already didn't believe the venue statement the way it was worded but the contradictions, The disabled comments and the overall handling of the situation is both gaslighting and throwing a bunch of people under the bus.
There is no reason you as a security guard should be so childish and unprofessional to go up and say "If any of you got a problem you can come up here and suck my dick." I mean granted I have seen bands do this and what not but this is the first I'm hearing of a member of security doing this.
This was a shitty situation for the bands and for the fans. This venue deserves all the loss in revenue and bad rep for the way this was handled.
(PS: That costume is more wholesome if anything keep being a good dad.)
I sent you a DM on instagram of the video.
A couple weeks ago at Motionless in White in San Jose CA during After the burial's set. They encouraged fans to crowd surf and security was letting people fall on there backs. The singer was visibly upset and during the song yelling for them to catch people. After the song was over he apologized to the crowd and called the security a bunch of cowards. Thankfully after the set they added more security up front and a crew guy showing them how to catch people and where to be and what to look for.
That reminds me of a story I heard from a time at warped tour (probably WAY early). During a set from Pennywise, kids were crowd surfing and security were just standing there with there arms crossed and not catching the kids. Fletcher (the guitarist, in case you don't know) called them out and, I'm not kidding, THE SECURITY JUST WALKED AWAY! So, Fletcher just called the audience to the stage and the band played "Bro Hymn". It caused such a ruckus that the police were called and told everyone to go home.
It should not be security's responsibility to "catch" crowd surfers. Moshing, stagediving, crowd surfing should not be things that security administrates. That said, there shouldn't be barriers, or security, in front between the crowd and the stage. I go to punk rock and hardcore shows & I rarely see security at all, which is how it should be.
Its whoever's responsibility that is fucking standing immediately there. It isn't fucking rocket science and hardcore shows are full of flailing crowdkilling Neo Nazi clowns. The rent a cops aren't usually working security at those shows because they're literally the fucking audience. Next
INCREDIBLE job reporting on this issue and explaining it absolutely incredibly for me to understand. Thank you for you incredible job
So we're supposed to believe Bodysnatcher has never had a fan kicked out of a show before? There had to have been alot more going on than that as a catalyst to stop the show. From that alone I believe We Came as Romans account is far more accurate than Fete's.
What color polo does Fete make you wear
I’ve done concert security before and there is always one knob that gets themselves kicked out of a show (usually by being drunk off their ass and trying to fight in the pit).
But you let the rest mosh in a controlled and safe environment and let people take care of one another.
This was security being power-tripping assholes and nothing more. They were being very unprofessional to start and it just got worse.
@@frankyblanco4336 I don't work there. Enlighten me.
kicking people out is one thing. 2 security guys dragging a guy out the crowd, slamming him up against a wall, shining bright ass lights right in his faced like the freaking police, and then dragging him out the back doors is another.
(i was there, standing in the back near merch, so i literally saw this happen)
You have no idea
Look up the venue and you’ll see that this is a common problem. Although the venue should take most of the blame, how can promoters continue to book a venue that doesn’t allow people to enjoy themselves? If you known that your guest aren’t welcome, why try to make that their home. It’s a joke all around
The story as I heard it was that the advance team cleared things with the venue ahead of time, so maybe the tour management didn't know about the venue's rep
A lot of times in a lot of these backwater shit hole towns that exist all over this country, you either play what is in your area or go broke travelling or congratulations, find a job that doesn't involve playing live music locally. I live in South Carolina and there are maybe two, three venues within multiple hundreds of miles that I never hear constant issue out of from people I know who play them all regularly. I don't play live shows myself because of it because I am Henry Rollins on his menstrual cycle when I am in a good mood and it's just not going to be a good fit, professionally speaking, for me to play live shows
17:32 the way how they applaud when they screamed „fuck you guys“ proves also that something was wrong
i was there, and there's a reason people were applauding. security was definitely being hostile that night
Very telling that the venue did not touch on the core issue - _security's behaviour._ The trigger for this whole situation (as confirmed by Fete themselves) was crew members witnessing a fan being forcibly ejected from the venue _and feeling the need to intervene._ We have multiple reports from independent witnesses of security grabbing people by the throat and throwing them onto the ground. That's not crowd control... that's _assault._
Excuses like "we warned the patron 5 times" just undermines any argument that their security understands basic crowd control. Five warnings doesn't gel with that degree of escalation in violence towards a patron... if you're prepared to give someone _five chances_ to stop doing something, you are sending them the message that it's not that big of a concern.
I've been in several mosh pits where security gave a person multiple warnings, and when he didn't take the hint the crowd got sick of the guy and threw him over the barrier for security to eject. No aggro, no escalation.
Shining your torch directly into people's eyes is another example of this ineptitude... not only are you temporarily blinding that person to what's happening around them (so they can't avoid obstacles, crowdsurfers, see emergency exits, etc), but in a loud venue where they can't hear security they now _can't see_ what security are trying to tell them either.
What this _does_ sound like is a bunch of security who don't respect patrons, can't communicate effectively with anyone, and rapidly escalate to aggression when someone isn't doing what they want.
And if this venue has a history with this kind of treatment of patrons, I hope bands stop booking there because it's only a matter of time before a fan ends up in hospital. If in-house security think this is excusable in any way they shouldn't be booking anything more intense than a Wiggles concert.
Love the outfit btw. 🤘😉
There's more than 1 account of security being overly aggressive, and not just at this venue... megadeth stopped a show where Dave Mustaine had members of security thrown out for being too aggressive.
This is an ongoing and growing problem amongst security teams that I've witnessed personally in the past.
Oftentimes, it would later be determined that a lack of training was the problem.
I personally find this a difficult to believe excuse for Chad just needing to flex on someone they decided they didn't like.
Obviously you didn't see the cellphone video from the other angle where it shows that guy trying to get on stage security grabbed his legs to pull him off he kicked security in the face turned around and punched them several times before they ever raised their fists on him now if that guy got on stage and shot Dave like dime they would have been saying the complete opposite you guys didn't do enough
@lucyfuir6386 desecration security fan...deescalation
@@damijai7862 ?
@@lucyfuir6386both the poor treatment and failing/nearly failing to stop someone from getting to the band are signs of the same thing…a poorly trained security team. And the part about them being rough with fans is likely to trace back to poor leadership where the issue starts.
@@invictusbp1prop143 Like I said before if that guy got on stage and hurt Dave everyone would it be saying the security didn't do enough. You don't want to get beat up don't jump the barrier It's there for a reason and don't try to get on stage dont punch the security. It takes half a second to get over the rail. I know ive done it back in the day. Since Dime it's a different game.
In the first video from reddit, the people in the crowd with their phones up are for some reason pointing their cameras towards the center of the room, not on the band performing...
See, after yelling fuck security, you’re supposed to have an axl rose level meltdown and never go back to St. Louis
I saw WCAR this last week in Florida and they had a security in the pit. Dude was headbanging with the songs and only got involved in 1 incident, other than that he was cutting up with everyone else and having fun. Shoutout to Jannus Live.
Oh yeah, Janus is so fun! I can imagine the show in there must have been great 😃
Thanks Imcreditank for the exceptional coverage for the greater good.
Tank you are an awesome father. Love it
I was at a show with Lorna Shore, Distant, and Mental Cruelty and the security was very aggressive to the point where Alan Grnja of Distant stopped mid fucking song and yelled at them to knock it off or they’ll end the show, and they did but it was ridiculous, the crowd was booing the security and cussing at them in an attempt to get them to stop it was about a 20-30 minute deal
So, if it had been Nightwish and the crowd had done the Skeleton Dance during Tribal, would everyone in the crowd have been thrown out?
Good video Tank, we can always rely on You to tell us how things really are!
Cheers / Mr_B_Dublin
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M i didn't wanna be the one to say it, but without any context, that sentence read so damn funny lol
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M - No, go have a look at the video in my post here and tell me - What would the Security at the Venue have done during this song?
Cheers / B.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M - It is on the Human:||:Nature album, CD 1, Track 8.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34MWatch the music video for Tribal.
I genuinely once got told off by staff at a nightwish show for windmilling
That statement has so much PR/lawyer talk.
The real situation here is probably incredibly simple, the quality of people becoming security guards in some situations like this has just gone very low. Meaning, the actual quality of the person isn’t up to the task to be a professional security guard. Doesn’t mean that all new security guards are bad, some will be great, but the percentage of Dickheadz and assholes with severe psychological issues are actually getting jobs like this, and the critical thing, like a police officers, this job requires intelligence and the ability to psychologically calm situations. The problem comes into when those type of people are not showing up to get these jobs and these assholes with extreme mental issues are now holding these jobs. And the real bigger picture is nobody is going to take accountability for something that’s actually wrong, nobody is going to apologize or do anything to fix the situation. and they might not be any fix, if the quality of people showing up to become police officer quality drops dramatically, it’s not like there’s anything that can really be done, they have to hire somebody, I believe this might be the case with security guards in these situations.
That is PRECISELY the problem. It's happening with teachers and nurses, too. Very low quality, mentally deranged people are getting hired more and more.
Hey Tank, regarding your outfit, you are wearing one of the greatest superhero costumes of all time... DAD! It doesn't matter how you look, as long as you're there for you children. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for these videos. This is definitely a learning lesson for many.
We all know there is always "That one guy" at a show though :/ Both are believable but I think if both bands bounced, I lean to their story
Bodysnatcher is theme music for that guy.
I wasn't their but I've known some of their security guards for over 10 plus years when they worked at the closed venue next door... I totally believe the bands! These security guards are shady... Definitely violent. I've personally seen them do all kinds of unbelievable things over the years.
Generally when "that one guy" gets kicked out the other patrons don't get mad at security for doing it
Honestly, need to see you in more costumes. Love it!
I never been to a concert in the states but with the ones I attend in Europe i never had problems with security they are alert and keeping people safe when there are crowdsurfers are coming
The best security I saw so far is at tuska and blind channel in Helsinki
They literally jump over the fence if something happens
And you looked great in that outfit tank great dad for Ingrid
"Grabenschlampen" from Summer Breeze in Germany are great people.
But it's true. I, too, never had problems with euro-security
I live in Bulgaria and I've never traveled abroad, but I've attended plenty of shows here. Hell, yesterday I went to see Amorphis live and, well, the security guys were nothing short of awesome. The show was sold out, the venue was so packed one could barely move around, but it all went smoothly.
On the other hand, I been to more than enough concerts were the security guards have been needlessly rude. Nothing like what is described in the video here, though.
I love your costume. I hope you and your family had fun on Halloween. Your daughter had a great idea for a family costume. 😀
Security breaking jaws and fighting at a concert🤷♀️
I’ve seen bouncers at bars literally break my friends jaw. But never at a show with a pit.
Aw! That's adorable. Happy Halloween Tank!
You are an amazing parent!! This is adorable! Hope you all had a wonderful Halloween 🎃
When I saw the costume, I thought you'd joined the Aquabats!
An incredible video as always 😉
Doesn't sound like they intend to change anything. People like that usually find it impossible to change. I would love to see photos of the "no moshing" message on the walls. If someone showed up at the next metal show there I would be willing to bet you could get photos of some of that.
It's important to remember a good chunk of venue security is off duty police. So yeah, extra scary that during the day these guys might have badges lol
I've known some of the security guards at Fete for over 10 or 12 years... It's quit the opposite they are a bunch of scumbag gangsters. I remember when they worked at the old late night techno venue next door. They would deal drugs and beat the sh¡t out of people. Some sh¡t went down to with girls getting slipped G and r@ped too that they had to be in on.
Mister Tank, Incredible video.
Yeah, been going to shows for decades, grew up in biggest parts of hardcore, and this venue is completely bullshit. Biggest shaddy response. I see this alot with scumbag promoters too. This venue should be closed.
Last night I babysat for my dad and step mom so they could go to a show at Fete they had tickets to from stubhub, they showed up and it was closed. No notice, no warning and no updates at all from the venue on any of their social media since October. Shady owners.
In many states security is there to "observe and report" to the police.They cannot touch you and have no additional right than any other person. They can ask you to leave but must call the police if you don't
😆🤣😂🤣😅 Dude this is Rhode Island it's a small everyone knows everyone kinda place. My WHOLE state is probably smaller than the county you live in if your from out west. Bouncers here will knock your F'n teeth out no problem as they throw you to the curb. And I dare you to talk shit to a Providence cop on that curb when afterwards... Because your getting your ass kicked a second time w peper spray and eating cereal bars on metal slab for the night till you get arraigned across the street from where you got your ass beat at Garrarhy 6t district in the morning.
Incredible video!
Been listening and I keep switching back to this tab and Tank's costume keeps catching me out lol
You're always an Incredible, Tank
Yeah I was at stream for this conversation but even then I'm STILL hearing bad things from people at the show about the Fete staff. Something needs to change-though on a lighter note if I could give a double thumbs up for the great Halloween costume I would
I will say Olneyville nextdoor is a must-try when you play this spot.
Hey Tank! I am a huge fan. I have nothing to add to this conversation and just wanted to say that your content brightens my day daily. Thank you for the good shit man.
Thank you!
Man....the costume was the best part. lol. Thanks for another kick ass vid, Tank
Love the videos Tank...I've been retired for about 10 years but I spent 25 years as a Tour Manager and Tour security guy doing both venue and personal...This is crazy
Thanks, man!
Your costume was on point, did you post any pics of you guys all together in your costumes?
That photo would be a keepsake for the photo album.
Hats off to the good security teams out there. I remember a Slayer show at the San Jose Shark Tank with a massive pit (2 pits, actually, one further back in the venue). Tons of folks crowd surfing, and many made their way to the front and got lifted over the barrier. The security team was beyond friendly, checking with each person who ended up over the barrier to see that they were ok, then nicely escorting them back around the barrier into the crowd. At one point a very aggressive crowd member ended up over the barrier and started thrashing about violently, as if trying to fight off the oncoming security. The very calm team approached him and one man reached out gently to put his hand on the angry guy's shoulder. I obviously couldn't hear what was said, but it worked, as the angry guy ended up hugging the security guy and let himself be escorted back into the crowd.
Another great team was at the Independent in San Francisco. The security openly conversed with crowd members, checking in on them and routinely making rounds and greeting everyone, cultivating more of a camaraderie with the audience than battlefield. Here's hoping Fete can employ a better team.
Incredibles costume?! You’re incredible every day even without the make and cape! 🤩👍🏻To be fair, we don’t take you seriously on a normal day, lol. We love you - way to be a proud dad! I had a dad who would do stuff like that, but he sadly got ill at age 37 and passed away at age 41 in 1991 from colorectal cancer. I was 9 going on 10. I cherish the moments my dad made a fool of himself in public just to make me laugh. If anyone has a problem with you wearing a costume, they inform didn’t have an awesome dad and/or are not a great parent in all likelihood. Parent who love their kids make life memorable- and when your kid grows up, she will see that you loved her enough to even do your job as an Incredibles character.
Btw, I’m glad you located footage. Would be interesting to see if there are other vantage points from a balcony where we can see the major players and where they all are at the same times. I agree with your overall assessment for sure. I really think that security at venues should be wearing body cams kind of like the cops - even wearing a GoPro that records their movements and interactions all nights would bring a a bit more transparency when issues arise . . . and when something really great that goes above and beyond happens too. As a tour manager, perhaps that’s something you can think having security wear cameras, and perhaps even having some cameras set up (if they don’t have working security cams) where you’re sent all footage for the duration of the event in case of any issues. I’d argue it should be put into the venue/security contract going forward. That sort of footage (with a decent mic from a headset) could go a long way to figuring out fact from fiction and learning how all parties involved can improve going forward when there’s any incidents.
Thanks for always being fair, Tank!
To be fair, I don't trust security. They're like cops. Those can't be trusted either, so unless there is foolproof proof, I'm inclined to believe the bands. Not the security or venues.
I love it when people say "To be fair" then go on and say some unfair shit. Imagine doing stupid shit and then there are consequences. These stupid ass beatdown bands and their soft little fan base act so fucking tough then wanna cry victim when someone puts them on check.
Luckily, cops mostly wear bodycams nowadays which helps them behave. We should have that for security as well.
@@LionheartSJZ as a former security/body guard, FUCKING YES TO THIS!!! it would do all sides of the situation a myriad of good. so would hiring qualified trained security pros, NOT BIG TATTOOED GYM RATS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT THEY WONT GO TO JAIL FOR.
@@LionheartSJZ lmao bodycams don't do anything to restrain pigs. For security, they *might* actually help because unlike pigs, security is at least in principle not entirely above the law... although "being wannabe pigs" is half the problem with a lot of security these days
Yo Tank, you look incredible!
This video is just... Incredible.
I've worked security at a venue that holds 15k people, and have looked through the luggage of performers when I was working the backstage mag.
I'm pretty sure I've just seen the coolest dad ever! 🙌
You truly are Mr. Incredible. 😄
That's incredible!!! 🙂
I was at a Hardcore show this past weekend, crowd killing is to be expected, but one guy was swinging wildly and hit hit one guy hard, the guy reacted by punching the other in the back of the head, the guy swinging wildly got mad, it was laughable.
I think i've never seen any karate kicker- spinny Bruce Lee mf landing a blow. I'm 30. I went to my first hc show with 12 and my dad.
@@unai49999you’re not going to many shows or watching shows on RUclips lmao look up drain you fucking clown their shows would probably make you hide under your bed! Secondly fuck hardcore dancing you swing and hit me not paying attention you will 110% get sucker punched directly in your face
Love the content mate, and also love how you dressed up for your kid
Keep up the amazing work mate
“Our security staff are well trained” said every venue who only gives their personnel the bare minimum training.
I mean…pretty much a 100% chance that the venue has, at the very least, a wide angle security video of what went down in the crowd, right? If the venue was telling the truth wouldn’t it be easy to show a quick montage of the 5 times this guy was warned and then how he was removed?
I can totally see them not wanting to just show a full video if their security acted really unprofessionally after this all kicked off, tried to fight people, etc. But they could super easily support their claim that they warned one person 5 times and removed him, right? EVEN IF they wanted to be manipulative and conceal the rest of what happened, they didn’t even back up THAT narrative.
They’re obviously lying.
I'd imagine they can't show the footage because it's now part of litigation
But at the same time,
There's also probably like a 100% chance that people had their cellphones out.
Every show I've been to in the last 5+ years has had probably almost half the audience holding phones recording the show.
I think there's enough basis to the claims that the security acted in an unprofessional or even criminal way.
But to also have absolutely zero footage of these claims, seems pretty odd/unlikely as well.
@@bmir89fete doesnt get a cellphone crowd. Been to dozens of metalshows there. Its tiny af and the crowd isnt really the filming type. Nevet seen phones out there like i do at larger places. Ppl are there to mosh and throw down and have a good time
i am taking you even more seriously than before. What a dedication to your daughter.
I've been to this venue twice, no metal at my shows and I don't remember seeing any security on that night
This is the best possible costume for a drama video.
Venue is doing damage control. This could cause problems. I recall security at a large venue in Northern Ireland in the 1990's was abusing and assaulting fans at metal shows. The show I was at, they were doing it again, and the front row had a bunch of burly guys who'd heard about it, and when they saw it, out came metal pipes and bike chains. There were no similar issues I saw at subsequent concerts at the venue.
Stuff like this unfolding is why im definitely grateful i can catch a show at a good venue i live like 15 mins from in central NJ. Security has always been diligent in situations and also respectful to people attending shows. Sucks to hear a lot of shit is going down there
Thx for reading my comment! idk if it already said here or not but during the bodysnatcher set they stopped after the 2nd song and said if they saw security stopping people from having a good time they would stop playing and said fuck it have fun.(part of a clip you showed) the other Clip where they go thx security happened next where security continued to be hostile and drag people out for hardcore dancing etc and which lead to them saying thanks security and walking off bodysnatcher definitelywas a bit hostilebut i think in the moment they were probably really upset seeing people being handle so aggressively. As far as I'm aware they aren't many clips of the situation out there. Sadly, I asked a lot of people that I knew from that attended the show, and none of us really were recording. During this moment.
20:47 Holy shit! I didn't realize that was Tank with that mask on!
Wow, I Managed a local security company for 30 years, toured a little and in this day and age this is just crazy that things are handled this way, Security in the late 80's verses today is worlds apart. I hate hearing that venue security would do this today. If you are booking metal shows or shows that generate a pit you should expect this and know how to deal with this. So lucky that back in the day guys like Jerry Mele and Jerry Meltzer taught us how to do things right.
I didn't even notice the mask at first, but you not having a beanie or cap caught me off guard. 😄
I was just injured in a mosh pit at we came as romans on the Oct 13th show in grand rapids michigan.
I've been to 43 shows since i was 18 I've been to multiple show venues, I've been to the intersection 15x, the stache 6x, 20 monroe live 6x, the orbit room 5x, elavation 3x, the pyrimid scheme 2x, and the van andel arena. I've been up front most of the time and have seen the security and have no issues with them and have seen no issues with security's it's been pretty good for to go to shows and not see any issues at any of these venues that I go to shows.
Reading this part of the venue's statement:
"We were informed that moshing was to be expected/anticipated in a show like this, not unlike many other shows of the same nature that have been at Fete. It was decided that security would first handle incidents with a focus on de-escalation and warning patrons rather than removing an unruly patron from the venue."
This sounds to me like the venue saying we were warned there would be moshing and we agreed to stop people from doing it without throwing them out immediately rather than the view the band seem to have come away with that the venue had been warned of moshing and were fine with it.
i love the costume dude, its perfect!
LOVE the costume!