Like Bill Burr says (paraphrasing)...."It's easy to piss off one side. Pissing them both off, now that's an art. For example, Trump is such a dope, he seriously made me consider voting for a woman."
This umpire issue has to be addressed. There is no reason that some of the statistically proven worst umpires in MLB should be behind the plate of a playoff game. Let alone on the field at all
There was a huge game changer in the ninth that should’ve ended the top at 2-2. Instead of a strike and strikeout it was a ball. I’m not a Boston or Houston fan, but the Red Sox got screwed.
Don’t understand why they can’t just put the umps with the highest accuracy during regular season behind the plate in the postseason. Laz had no business calling balls and strikes this game
Laz's call accuracy that game was 88% according to UmpScorecards. Absolute joke, how the hell a guy like that is allowed to ump a pivotal postseason game is beyond me. Baseball umps need to be reorganized like Jomboy said: best guy is behind the plate, period. This is one of the few sports where AI officiating will undoubtedly work and embarrassments like Laz behind the plate isn't helping the argument at all
hell just introduce AI for balls and strikes and give the home plate ump a red and green light in their mask that lets them know which call to give. Still lets them feel important and they actually get to do even less work for the same pay lol
Just make the union agree to either all replacements with AI/automation OR keep your accuracy above X percent, whatever is fair. I'd say above 95% but idk if the ai systems they have are around that or not. If they can't be as accurate or near as accurate as the AI, they get replaced with AI, on an individual basis.
No, this doesn’t offset. The correct call is clearly runners on first and second, so the attempt to catch him stealing never happens if the umpire doesn’t make a mistake on the strike call.
Exactly what I was thinking, sox would've had first and second with one out instead they got second with two outs, in other words they still got shafted
Regardless, you need to wait for the walk signal before starting your walk. Bad calls happen all the time, yet it's still on the players to react according to the instructions if they haven't hit the ball. By that logic, any time the umpires make a bad call the players should be allowed to do whatever they think should have happened, which is just stupid.
@@sammie16508 It was a full count. No batter waits in that moment. I suppose this is the classic arguing of the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law as to the batter staying put. The issue is that the umpire was the one that screwed up though.
@@sammie16508 I dont think thats on JD. every batter in the MLB would start walking on that pitch. it was just so far down and outside that Laz Diaz is the only ump who would ever call that a strike. I agree he should've waited but you cant blame him. especially cus he was right
Um... ok guys n gals, before you really dig in, why don't you try it yourself, it's not as easy as it looks and you better know your rules, cause while the pitcher is just in the stretch, as an ump, you got a billion things running through your head, and yet you're trying to keep your head clear for the pitch. I've missed some and when I first started called some really bad ones, but my point remains, git out there and ump and so inkling from the sofa with your 20 different angles when we just got the one. Rant ends. Needless to say, I just did a highschool game last night, I know I missed 2 'high' strikes, and I called one bad outside one, on that one I was too close to the catcher and he framed it really well, but afterwards I was replaying the call abs realized it was a ball to far outside. The catcher, when he came up asked me about it abs I apologized, but once I call it, there's not much I can do about it
What is your point? That the umpires tend to be older? It does take a while to become a major league umpire, and MLB umpires are almost impossible to fire unless they commit a crime.
I like the idea at the end. Umpires should have "positions" like players do. You wouldn't put Bartolo Colon at shortstop; you don't put Laz Diaz behind the plate.
You gotta feel for JD man dude is a helluva hitter great eye and has just been getting totally disrespected with all the pitches outside.... It's ironic too bkuz if they force pitchers to throw him that pitch inside the zone JD has the skill and power to drive those pitches a long way to the opposite field he's one of the best in baseball at going with pitches on the outer 1/3 of the plate
Every team has gotten jobbed hard in many games. Anyone who claims that the calls even out is wrong because if a single bad call costs you the World Series, then the other bad bad calls that went your way in a blowout game aren't remotely consolation!
@@FAB_GNC Ignoring that that video is from 2019... kinda obvious that robo umpiring needs to be tested and perfected for awhile. No one is advocating for it being implemented before it's MLB-ready.
You could literally implement something similar to Tennis to call balls and strikes and still have umpires to call the other parts of the game. But the truth is the purist don’t want change
@@FAB_GNC I mean, that's cool, my comment specifically said I was ignoring the year as it had little to do with my point. No one is saying deploy robo umps tomorrow, people are saying get the process officially started. And people are also saying stop having shity umpires in the playoffs, create a merit-based system until robo umping is perfected
Give the man credit, if he'd gone to the Angel Hernandez school of umpires he would have thrown Cora, at least, out of the game after he complained about that call. (Maybe Baker as well).
I was screaming at him from the grandstands. WHY MLB thinks Diaz was a good choice to be behind the plate when he was one of the worst umpires when it came to accuracy is beyond me. I remember when Marvin Hudson was behind the plate for that game 6 two years ago and his zone was horrific. Neither were as bad as Eric Gregg in 1997, but Manfred needs to make umpires accountable.
Thank you for bringing up Eric Gregg. Nothing will EVER be as bad as Eric Gregg in that Livon Hernandez game. NOTHING!!! Those balls were 18 inches outside.
Yeah, especially since his weakness is pitches low and outside. When he’s bad, it’s because he’s chasing pitches right there and striking out swinging or getting way down in the count. So he’s being really good and really disciplined in not expanding the zone, yet the zone’s expanded on him anyway and he’s still striking out and getting down on those pitches.
@@mike-0451 bro if everyone in the world knows it’s a ball and it’s 100% on video fucking replay a ball there’s no way u can defend the ump on that shit.
Watched him ump the Giants earlier this year. Commentators were 'an inch or two outside is ok' but he was calling 3, 4, 5 inches off the plate as strikes. So this wasn't a one-off. It's a proven umpire with a poor eye. As Jomboy says, put the best umps in their best positions. Don't just rotate every night for the sake of it, it's too important at this stage. In the NLCS game 3 there was a missed strike 3 call for Buehler which cost runs, extra pitches, and got him pulled early. LA came back to win, but the ump's blatant mistake cost 2 or 3 runs.
Wow… I mean, that pitch wasn’t even borderline and gets called. Good grief. Maybe the MLB needs to incentivize accuracy at the plate somehow because so many of the ump corps seems to be awfully inaccurate and don’t seem to give a damn. That tells me MLB doesn’t give a damn either, and if that’s true, who cares if pitchers use foreign substances or teams use trash cans to signal pitches? Much as I love the game, this is the most ridiculous aspect of it to me.
You make a really good point. Hold _everyone_ accountable. Period. Players, officials, everybody. Mistakes happen, but how much more data does the MLB need to make some changes? The longer it continues, the longer it demonstrates a lack of urgency or interest on their part in a legitimate resolution. Umps have more power to decide the outcome of games than the players do! They should be held to the highest standards.
Laz is the worst active umpire you can possibly have calling balls and strikes in a CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES. This is too important for MLB to have this level of professional incompetence behind the plate.
To see consistent zones umps have to set up in consistent spots. If you look the center bottom of his mask marks the corner of the k zone box. Other times it is completely off. Furthermore he is slightly moving with the pitch - watch the mask move with the pitch, instead of "freeze frame" eyes tracking the ball. This indicates that he isn't seeing the ball well in most cases. He won't be able to call a consistent zone if he continues to set up in different spots.
Yes his head varies slightly on different pitches but, while he had a less than great accuracy score (88%), he actually had a high consistency score (97%). Not excusing the calls but Laz's version of the zone was the same all night and that is the more traditional expectation from a plate umpire. The visual box on broadcasts has changed expectations and longer serving umpires seem less able to adapt. Some of the newer umpires have way better accuracy scores along with the consistency, and it would be nice to see them rewarded with more post-season appearances.
Watching that game was brutal. Every inning it seemed like somebody got screwed.The only benefit of it being so bad was that you can't really say it was favoriting one side or another, but it was still brutal to watch. You hate it when the games come down to the umps, and game 4 could have been completely different if a few calls go the way they should have. All that being said, sox bats have been awful quiet since the 1st inning Bogey HR in game 4, which is the driving factor behind them losing these last two games. As bad as the umpiring is, if you cant hit you aren't gonna win.
The two calls don't offset, the Red Sox got the short end no matter what. If that pitch is a ball, the interference call is irrelevant as there's no longer a play to be made at second.
Yeah but that doesn’t mean the Astro’s should stop playing because the call wasn’t 100% accurate. They still need to play off what’s called. He should’ve gotten first, but he didn’t, so the astros had to play off the call. That simple. You won’t just drop everything and give up.
@@FAB_GNC What the mlb should do is have someone watching the game on a screen and after the pitch call it into the umpire with an ear piece. there really isnt any need for technology just have someone who will make the right call every time
They are testing it and it's not working the way they want it to. Also when using AI tracking basically it makes the strike zone a 3D space and if the ball enters that space at any moment of the pitch it's a strike. So it's leading to insane looking pitches being called a strike. If you saw it you would think it's getting a lot of calls wrong.
@@LudaChez tennis and cricket have both got fixed and moving scrutiny zones and they've figured it out mostly. If they can't get it right in baseball they need to farm it out. Or have it used to inform a bunker umpire in the ground, rather than a single place.
@@LudaChez If it's not possible to hit a pitch that got into the strike zone, change how the strike zone is defined. Or how much of the ball has to touch it. Either way, the only way it would be inferior to these umpires would be if the software was just buggy and got it wrong constantly. There is no point in having the umpires do that anymore.
This is by far the worst the umps have ever been. I swear that the umps are betting on games. I mean COME on!!! They are standing 5 feet from the plate and they can’t see the ball go over the plate and on TV we see it live and call it better than they do. They are compromising the integrity of this nation’s past time game.
Something I can't understand is like, soccer/football has goal line tech, tennis has its like hawk eye system that can tell within a couple of mm if a ball was in or out, but baseball still is just like "Naw, lets just have a guy standing behind the plate make the calls." Every time I have wanted to actually get into watching baseball its ended with me watching botched calls and remembering it's a constant annoyance.
"Tripp Gibson is a fantastic home plate umpire." (4:28) Indeed he is. Fun fact, I went to umpire school with Tripp in 2006. I sat behind him in class, which meant I graded his papers most days (we passed them back to be peer graded). I remember one day on the second week I think, he missed three questions on one quiz. After we graded them, he turned back to verify that he missed three, which I confirmed. He was so upset with himself that he never missed another question. Tripp was (and presumably still is) very studious and spent a lot of time in the rulebook and was also textbook on the diamond. In my experiences with him, he was an all-around good guy that was willing to help as needed. It did not surprise me in the slightest that he reached the MLB and when I first saw him in the big leagues on TV, I remember smiling and saying to myself, "Hey, Tripp made it! Good for him."
I don't understand how the best hitters Lose their eyesight and struggle telling balls and strikes before the age of 40 but umpires can still have perfect vision into their seventies.
Sup Brad. YEAH, I been saying this for YEARS. Umpires should NOT be calling balls and strikes. They need to go to a camera/optics system. X and Y camera's on home plate. ( And I believe games are being rigged anyway, so it's hard to trust if a game is legit/fair or not. ) Makes the whole thing a waste of time for the fans.
I’m with you man and I think it isn’t automated bc it’ll make baseball even more boring at least people talk about it when there’s an ump making awful calls
@@nemdawg6342 It's that, but also it's the umpire's union, and tradition. They don't want to change the game too much, because they know it will probably alienate many long-time fans. Fans do seem to like to argue about the games! Maybe it is fun for them to do that. I would just rather have a FAIR game.
@@Tecojovishix lololol. Human factor? So we got robots pitching and batting and fielding? Remove umps and now suddenly there's no human factor? Get over yourself.
Any umpire who are rated in the bottom 25% of strike and ball calls during the season should not be selected to umpire playoff or World Series games. Only the umpires who get the highest percentage of strike and ball calls should be behind the plate, period. If you need to pay these umps who consistently get it wrong for years at least embarrass them by not giving them post season and/or behind the plate assignments.
As an Astros fan I have seen some calls go against the Astros. HOWEVER, you can clearly see why the Red Sox nation is upset, especially on calls when the game is on the line. I think Laz is either anti-Boston or pro-Houston. I'm really not used to my team getting the benefit of bad calls.
As a Sox fan, I strongly doubt that he's pro or anti anything. He is just consistently BAD all the time. Houston also got screwed on just as many calls in this game, but they just weren't as costly for them under the circumstances.
You did get the benefit of your team getting their players and world series not taken away after a massive cheating scandal though, so it will be a few more years until the Astros deserve some calls their way.
It wasn't a "pitchers duel" through most of the game. It was the damn ump calling ball as strikes. Then Houston blew it open when he decided to stop calling strikes. Eovaldi had strike 3 with 2 outs before Houston scored any runs but the ump didn't call it. Then things snowballed from there. Just as the Red Sox benefited from all the walks in games 2 & 3. Umpire inconsistency plays much too big of a role in professional baseball. It can be absurd at times.
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The umpires in professional baseball are truly horrible. They are stealing history out from under the players and teams. They are a necessity but the rate at which they are ruining the game is devastating. Many are to old and the personal strike zones each home plate umpire seems to have is trash. Replay needs to be more frequently available to protect the teams and players we love from these failures. Imagine if you were this well known for being bad at your job, yet made 300K a year. Pathetic...
I'm starting to be of the mindset that AI should be calling strikes and balls. Keep the ump there for most every other call, but a computer can quickly give a more accurate strike zone response.
It's been awhile since I've seen a home play ump that bad, this year in general it hasnt been good, but this one was particularly bad and it was in the post season.
I want a robo-ump for pitches. I don't really care about base runners, or foul vs fair at the posts, or infield flys. I just want every pitched ball over the plate to be called correctly.
@@FAB_GNC That could have been programmed by a child for all we know. If robots can build a car perfectly 99.99999% of the time, they can call balls and strikes.
Regarding the interference, the fielder (catcher) actually has to make the throw. You either throw it and can induce an interference, or you hold on it. There cannot be interference if there's no play.
If the catcher has to make a throw to get the call, then the batter just has to grab him in a bear hug before he tries to throw. Interference can certainly be called without a throw being made.
@@FAB_GNC I think for the most part the umps use their judgment on intentional or unintentional interference. If its unintentional then a throw of some sort must be made to get an interference call now if the batter deliberately gets in the catchers way or bumps him then they'll call interference right than and there.
Incentivize good ball strike calling by scoring the umps during the regular season and putting them behind the plate in post season games. Or set a minimum standard and if they don't meet it during the regular season, they don't get to be behind the plate in post season.
Honestly the worst call of the night was the "ball" to Castro that should've ended the 9th because it was clearly a strike. Instead the Astros score 7. The two worst calls of the night both shit on the Sox.
This one single pitch and UNREAL umpiring... I'm actually done with baseball. Nothing can save this sport. I'm literally done. I can't have faith in the sport when this continues to happen over and over and MLB refusing to put in place any safegaurds for HORRIBLE calls. Bye.
Honestly would love to see Boston lose but they clearly got more screwed on this. This is not "off-set penalties" because if the ball is properly called, there is no interference because there is no steal.
@@cygnustsp I almost stopped watching completely after they moved the ASG from Atlanta to Denver because of some woke BS politics. Ugh been watching baseball for such a long time though that it's tough to leave it. So here I am...
These umpires are legit the same as career politicians. Doesn’t matter how fucking terrible they are at their job, they somehow get to keep going up there fucking shit up day after day after day.
Laz is literally the reason the Sox are on the brink of elimination. Such horse shit calls that shifted momentum indefinitely. Poor JD constantly gets hosed with outside calls being pinned as strikes as well
The Boys in Blue are in real trouble now that their statistics are getting thrown around. We always knew their calls were subjective bullshit, now we have reportable facts and statistics. I saw one comment say robo umps would be bad for the game...would they really? Robo-Umps can process plays & calls at speeds unimaginable by the human brain with the assistance of multiple different camera angles and replay technology. Do we lose some nuances that human umps make? Sure but I would rather have a game with consistent balls & strikes than a game with inconsistent balls & strikes with the occasional fly rule being called correctly.
i mean, we need a combination of the 2 i think. Robot eyes for some things, human brains for others. Fly rule is easy to program in, not sure how easy the rule about where and how you can establish your path to first base after a hit would be to program though. Stuff like that. You also need a factor that can keep order on the field and keep the game moving as well. I guess we can send in police during a brawl? lol Most other things can be programmed in. We've done it on console gaming for years so i'm not a programmer but c'mon that can't be difficult for you guys to do right? Time consuming i'm sure though. I would also be a fan of the extra camera angles we as fans would get as a result of this as well. I can see pixels being debated in the future if this occurs though :)
@@therealjoshuacaleb4873 thanks for the comment but you read a little too far into the example. I wasn't actually saying that fly outs are a consistent problem that human umps solve. It was just an example of a situation where the robot would have to do something other than call balls & strikes. You got caught looking at every tree that you forgot you're in a forest :)
@@FAB_GNC Before I break down your comment and video, I just wanted some clarifications from you if possible. 1) You're posting this video as an example of "this is why we dont want robo umps"? 2) You understand the limitations of cherry-picking information and how that can skew opinions. 3) You understand that Trackman was created based around one specific technology and not with specific baseball stadiums and additional technology such as cameras and human umpire input. 4) You understand that technology advances at a rate drastically different than anything else on the planet. I can poke tons of holes in that video and your argument if that is the argument and point you are making. I just don't want to assume stuff and put words in your mouth since your original comment provided very little.
As a former pitcher, I appreciate that ball getting called a strike. As a former lead off hitter, I’d be flipping over that horrendous ball being called a strike!
Perfect video! Also look at the last inning when the astros started scoring a lot. Martín Maldonado had a 3-2 count with two outs curveball thrown top right of zone (It was inside the zone) called ball & batter got walked (start of the hitting spree) ridiculous ump calling that game 😂
Jomboy you are making baseball such a better sport. Thank you. It's a good sport but you are making it so much better. It's crazy but you honestly make baseball fun again. You need a contract with ESPN or something. Your content is so so so much better, honestly. I think you might be the solution to the baseball "problem" people talk about. It's not boring, it's actually super interesting and you are able to weirdly describe how interesting it can be like no other person can.
This is one of those things to me that's incredible about the social aspects of baseball and not the technical ones. No matter how many rules get written about this, this is one of those things that will always come down to an individual ump.
It's a special talent to piss off both teams. Not easy on the same play.
And at the same time
On the same call too
Angel Hernandez: you have done well.
Like Bill Burr says (paraphrasing)...."It's easy to piss off one side. Pissing them both off, now that's an art. For example, Trump is such a dope, he seriously made me consider voting for a woman."
TJ Perfect comment.
This umpire issue has to be addressed. There is no reason that some of the statistically proven worst umpires in MLB should be behind the plate of a playoff game. Let alone on the field at all
Baseball is rigged
@@MrRMT1986 "Don't Fauci my Florida." LOL love it. 👍
There was a huge game changer in the ninth that should’ve ended the top at 2-2. Instead of a strike and strikeout it was a ball. I’m not a Boston or Houston fan, but the Red Sox got screwed.
This comment could've been from any year.
Racist
Don’t understand why they can’t just put the umps with the highest accuracy during regular season behind the plate in the postseason. Laz had no business calling balls and strikes this game
ump union unfortunately
#95 out of 99 umpires in accuracy this year. He shouldn't be in the league, let alone the postseason.
It’s time for our robot ump overlords to take control
Because people like Angel Hernandez will sue
I'm pretty sure they just have a conversation and say " you wanna be plate? how bout you? I'll do it... great who's got first?"
Fun fact: Teddy Roosevelt was an umpire, despite being legally blind. (True story) Thus setting a precedent that continues to be seen to this day.
There’s a pun about the precedent being seen to this day but I can’t think of it right now
@@j_scumbag1762 He traded getting sworn at to being sworn in.
Seen by everyone except the Umps.
@Ll L I think he was the precedent of something
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Laz's call accuracy that game was 88% according to UmpScorecards. Absolute joke, how the hell a guy like that is allowed to ump a pivotal postseason game is beyond me. Baseball umps need to be reorganized like Jomboy said: best guy is behind the plate, period. This is one of the few sports where AI officiating will undoubtedly work and embarrassments like Laz behind the plate isn't helping the argument at all
Jomboy brought me back to caring about MLB, but these umpires are taking me away again.
When they are out of a job, they will only have their union to blame.
Sad that good umps and future umps will not get to shine because of that
hell just introduce AI for balls and strikes and give the home plate ump a red and green light in their mask that lets them know which call to give. Still lets them feel important and they actually get to do even less work for the same pay lol
because diversity
Just make the union agree to either all replacements with AI/automation OR keep your accuracy above X percent, whatever is fair. I'd say above 95% but idk if the ai systems they have are around that or not. If they can't be as accurate or near as accurate as the AI, they get replaced with AI, on an individual basis.
No, this doesn’t offset. The correct call is clearly runners on first and second, so the attempt to catch him stealing never happens if the umpire doesn’t make a mistake on the strike call.
Exactly what I was thinking, sox would've had first and second with one out instead they got second with two outs, in other words they still got shafted
Not to mention not having an additional out.
Regardless, you need to wait for the walk signal before starting your walk. Bad calls happen all the time, yet it's still on the players to react according to the instructions if they haven't hit the ball. By that logic, any time the umpires make a bad call the players should be allowed to do whatever they think should have happened, which is just stupid.
@@sammie16508 It was a full count. No batter waits in that moment. I suppose this is the classic arguing of the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law as to the batter staying put. The issue is that the umpire was the one that screwed up though.
@@sammie16508 I dont think thats on JD. every batter in the MLB would start walking on that pitch. it was just so far down and outside that Laz Diaz is the only ump who would ever call that a strike. I agree he should've waited but you cant blame him. especially cus he was right
Some bad umping this postseason. Balls and strikes have been especially horrendous all the way around.
final MIL - ATL game was disgusting. its been miserable seeing this many mistakes in whats supposed to be the best of the best
@@assett_png Absolutely. I'm a little biased as a Giants fan, but that Flores check swing call to end the series was inexcusable.
It's been horrendous for four years.
Every single year.
Nothing different. It's ridiculous.
Um... ok guys n gals, before you really dig in, why don't you try it yourself, it's not as easy as it looks and you better know your rules, cause while the pitcher is just in the stretch, as an ump, you got a billion things running through your head, and yet you're trying to keep your head clear for the pitch.
I've missed some and when I first started called some really bad ones, but my point remains, git out there and ump and so inkling from the sofa with your 20 different angles when we just got the one.
Rant ends.
Needless to say, I just did a highschool game last night, I know I missed 2 'high' strikes, and I called one bad outside one, on that one I was too close to the catcher and he framed it really well, but afterwards I was replaying the call abs realized it was a ball to far outside. The catcher, when he came up asked me about it abs I apologized, but once I call it, there's not much I can do about it
It's two ball widths off the plate. That's some Jr. Varsity bs.
The whole series was like that. The outside balls being called strike was extremely frustrating for the Astros fans too.
Very "liberal" strike zone as my jv coach would say lmao
So many generational umpires are in the league right now, crazy man.
how is the spambot's comment older than OP's? technology is getting crazy, man
@@uberneanderthal it's that quantum computing that china has now, they can send information into the past lol
@@uberneanderthal Its not... OPs says 36 minutes ago, bot's says 35
It's why people begin to hate unions. They are fantastic but people abuse them and it also prevents losers like this from being fired.
What is your point? That the umpires tend to be older? It does take a while to become a major league umpire, and MLB umpires are almost impossible to fire unless they commit a crime.
Laz needs his eyes checked.
If the umps can check the pitchers every inning for substances, an eye exam for umps should be a regular thing.
😂😂
Each game
Each team should have a board certified optometrist in the dugout and they can check the umpire in the middle of the game whenever they want
Exactly, MLB needs to monitor these umps, in game, and step in as necessary. Clearly Laz was not seeing things right.
Look at where he lines up in relation to the plate.
You did a great job interpretating this play.
Yes - and he included that it was low as well as outside.
I got it, Jordan.
"Interpretating".
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@@ronmackinnon9374 3:19
LOLOLOLOL
I like the idea at the end. Umpires should have "positions" like players do. You wouldn't put Bartolo Colon at shortstop; you don't put Laz Diaz behind the plate.
“A hood off conversation” 😂😂😂
The two wrong calls DON'T offset each other. If he calls that a ball, as he should, everone's safe. The Red Sox got done dirty in this play.
I agree. There's no interference if it's a walk. Runners on first and second.
You gotta feel for JD man dude is a helluva hitter great eye and has just been getting totally disrespected with all the pitches outside.... It's ironic too bkuz if they force pitchers to throw him that pitch inside the zone JD has the skill and power to drive those pitches a long way to the opposite field he's one of the best in baseball at going with pitches on the outer 1/3 of the plate
@@wyattsexton4132 you know what was cool tho? the red sox kicking the yanks out of the playoffs in a rebuild year 😂😂😂
@@wyattsexton4132 But they did and y’all got dropped
At this point, JD would probably be a better hitter if he had a worse eye.
He’s struck out so many times on balls called strikes.
Counter-intuitive...what's not to like. good take
“Everyone hates Laz” kinda describes this game overall, not just the at bat, to be honest.
I never fail to find joy from these
U haven't even seen the vid yet u nob
@@matthewtrapane5999 how would you know this
@@blindblackpianist cuz he made the comment within 50 seconds of the upload. The comment makes more sense if u view it within the first hour
@@matthewtrapane5999 okay i hadnt seen the video but i just knew id enjoy. Thats why i subbed to jomboy ✊✊
I think after this post season, most baseball fans are going to be willing to give the robo-umps a shot.
We can have 100% accuracy where NOBODY has a right to complain. But nooooo. The MLB wont have it.
Every team has gotten jobbed hard in many games. Anyone who claims that the calls even out is wrong because if a single bad call costs you the World Series, then the other bad bad calls that went your way in a blowout game aren't remotely consolation!
@@FAB_GNC Ignoring that that video is from 2019... kinda obvious that robo umpiring needs to be tested and perfected for awhile. No one is advocating for it being implemented before it's MLB-ready.
You could literally implement something similar to Tennis to call balls and strikes and still have umpires to call the other parts of the game. But the truth is the purist don’t want change
@@FAB_GNC I mean, that's cool, my comment specifically said I was ignoring the year as it had little to do with my point. No one is saying deploy robo umps tomorrow, people are saying get the process officially started. And people are also saying stop having shity umpires in the playoffs, create a merit-based system until robo umping is perfected
Laz needs a talking to about that, those pitches are way outside, he must of went to the angel hernandez school of umps
Give the man credit, if he'd gone to the Angel Hernandez school of umpires he would have thrown Cora, at least, out of the game after he complained about that call. (Maybe Baker as well).
I think the non called strike late in the game was even worse
Then went to the Joe West University of not caring about the opinions of the outraged players
I was expecting Angel Hernandez when I clicked on this vid.
I was screaming at him from the grandstands. WHY MLB thinks Diaz was a good choice to be behind the plate when he was one of the worst umpires when it came to accuracy is beyond me. I remember when Marvin Hudson was behind the plate for that game 6 two years ago and his zone was horrific. Neither were as bad as Eric Gregg in 1997, but Manfred needs to make umpires accountable.
Thank you for bringing up Eric Gregg. Nothing will EVER be as bad as Eric Gregg in that Livon Hernandez game. NOTHING!!! Those balls were 18 inches outside.
Union strong
Fire the commissioner. Who cares about the battle of the cheaters?
I seriously feel bad for JD at this point
Yeah, especially since his weakness is pitches low and outside. When he’s bad, it’s because he’s chasing pitches right there and striking out swinging or getting way down in the count. So he’s being really good and really disciplined in not expanding the zone, yet the zone’s expanded on him anyway and he’s still striking out and getting down on those pitches.
I don’t. I don’t care that it was a ball; you can’t start walking before the call is made. He interfered with the throw.
@Rob F He thought it was a ball. The Ump called strikeout. You wait until the call. Player doesn't decide what the call is. That's just baseball.
@@mike-0451 bro if everyone in the world knows it’s a ball and it’s 100% on video fucking replay a ball there’s no way u can defend the ump on that shit.
@@kentburandt5767 I’m not. I’m just saying that JD interferes with the throw by not playing by the rules of the game.
I think in the end Laz got the Red Sox a bit more mad. Just casually showing the 9th inning 1-2 strike called a ball
Easily the worst call I’ve seen this postseason, and it gave Houston all the momentum in the world. Absolute bs
Even as a Houston fan, that was an absolutely horrible call.
Fun fact I got into baseball because of you, and today I’m trying for my first team!
Did you make it bro?
I think Maldonado didn't throw the ball because he knew it was ball 4 too and was just as surprised as JD
nah, had he followed through on that throw he could have broken his hand on the batter's helmet, he was right to pull up and not throw
I mean yeah this is ridiculous, and has completely changed the tide of the series, so thanks Laz. You're the best.
Watched him ump the Giants earlier this year. Commentators were 'an inch or two outside is ok' but he was calling 3, 4, 5 inches off the plate as strikes. So this wasn't a one-off. It's a proven umpire with a poor eye. As Jomboy says, put the best umps in their best positions. Don't just rotate every night for the sake of it, it's too important at this stage. In the NLCS game 3 there was a missed strike 3 call for Buehler which cost runs, extra pitches, and got him pulled early. LA came back to win, but the ump's blatant mistake cost 2 or 3 runs.
Wow… I mean, that pitch wasn’t even borderline and gets called. Good grief. Maybe the MLB needs to incentivize accuracy at the plate somehow because so many of the ump corps seems to be awfully inaccurate and don’t seem to give a damn. That tells me MLB doesn’t give a damn either, and if that’s true, who cares if pitchers use foreign substances or teams use trash cans to signal pitches? Much as I love the game, this is the most ridiculous aspect of it to me.
You make a really good point. Hold _everyone_ accountable. Period. Players, officials, everybody. Mistakes happen, but how much more data does the MLB need to make some changes? The longer it continues, the longer it demonstrates a lack of urgency or interest on their part in a legitimate resolution. Umps have more power to decide the outcome of games than the players do! They should be held to the highest standards.
Laz is the worst active umpire you can possibly have calling balls and strikes in a CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES. This is too important for MLB to have this level of professional incompetence behind the plate.
To see consistent zones umps have to set up in consistent spots. If you look the center bottom of his mask marks the corner of the k zone box. Other times it is completely off. Furthermore he is slightly moving with the pitch - watch the mask move with the pitch, instead of "freeze frame" eyes tracking the ball. This indicates that he isn't seeing the ball well in most cases. He won't be able to call a consistent zone if he continues to set up in different spots.
Yes his head varies slightly on different pitches but, while he had a less than great accuracy score (88%), he actually had a high consistency score (97%). Not excusing the calls but Laz's version of the zone was the same all night and that is the more traditional expectation from a plate umpire. The visual box on broadcasts has changed expectations and longer serving umpires seem less able to adapt. Some of the newer umpires have way better accuracy scores along with the consistency, and it would be nice to see them rewarded with more post-season appearances.
This umpire is pissing me off. Moving head as ball is coming in. Calling a ball a foot off of the plate and the ring up is straight up trash, my god.
Watching that game was brutal. Every inning it seemed like somebody got screwed.The only benefit of it being so bad was that you can't really say it was favoriting one side or another, but it was still brutal to watch. You hate it when the games come down to the umps, and game 4 could have been completely different if a few calls go the way they should have.
All that being said, sox bats have been awful quiet since the 1st inning Bogey HR in game 4, which is the driving factor behind them losing these last two games. As bad as the umpiring is, if you cant hit you aren't gonna win.
Kind of hard to hit when the strike zone is a joke. A big zone like this badly hurts JD and doesn't affect free swingers (Altuvue) as much.
@@dereksbooks Oh it definitely does, but we still missed pitches middle middle, that we were hitting in game 2 and 3.
Pretty much the story for ALDS game 3 Astros got screwed out of the sweep by the umps to which caused a game 4 where Astros ace starter got injured.
@@marcoapollo2466 this entire postseason really has been a huge L for the umpires. As bad as I can remember.
The two calls don't offset, the Red Sox got the short end no matter what. If that pitch is a ball, the interference call is irrelevant as there's no longer a play to be made at second.
Yeah but that doesn’t mean the Astro’s should stop playing because the call wasn’t 100% accurate. They still need to play off what’s called. He should’ve gotten first, but he didn’t, so the astros had to play off the call. That simple. You won’t just drop everything and give up.
This is genuinely baffling. We've had ball tracking technology for nearly 15 years now, why has baseball not started using it?
umpire unions
@@FAB_GNC What the mlb should do is have someone watching the game on a screen and after the pitch call it into the umpire with an ear piece. there really isnt any need for technology just have someone who will make the right call every time
They are testing it and it's not working the way they want it to.
Also when using AI tracking basically it makes the strike zone a 3D space and if the ball enters that space at any moment of the pitch it's a strike. So it's leading to insane looking pitches being called a strike. If you saw it you would think it's getting a lot of calls wrong.
@@LudaChez tennis and cricket have both got fixed and moving scrutiny zones and they've figured it out mostly. If they can't get it right in baseball they need to farm it out. Or have it used to inform a bunker umpire in the ground, rather than a single place.
@@LudaChez If it's not possible to hit a pitch that got into the strike zone, change how the strike zone is defined. Or how much of the ball has to touch it. Either way, the only way it would be inferior to these umpires would be if the software was just buggy and got it wrong constantly. There is no point in having the umpires do that anymore.
This is by far the worst the umps have ever been. I swear that the umps are betting on games. I mean COME on!!! They are standing 5 feet from the plate and they can’t see the ball go over the plate and on TV we see it live and call it better than they do. They are compromising the integrity of this nation’s past time game.
The last time I saw so many bad calls by one ump was from the movie The Naked Gun.
Exactly what I was thinking
Something I can't understand is like, soccer/football has goal line tech, tennis has its like hawk eye system that can tell within a couple of mm if a ball was in or out, but baseball still is just like "Naw, lets just have a guy standing behind the plate make the calls." Every time I have wanted to actually get into watching baseball its ended with me watching botched calls and remembering it's a constant annoyance.
the botched calls are a feature it'd be boring without them
Look at the rest of the inning. The two injustices of this call were not "offsetting" - obviously the Sox got the short end of this stick
"Tripp Gibson is a fantastic home plate umpire." (4:28)
Indeed he is. Fun fact, I went to umpire school with Tripp in 2006. I sat behind him in class, which meant I graded his papers most days (we passed them back to be peer graded). I remember one day on the second week I think, he missed three questions on one quiz. After we graded them, he turned back to verify that he missed three, which I confirmed. He was so upset with himself that he never missed another question. Tripp was (and presumably still is) very studious and spent a lot of time in the rulebook and was also textbook on the diamond. In my experiences with him, he was an all-around good guy that was willing to help as needed. It did not surprise me in the slightest that he reached the MLB and when I first saw him in the big leagues on TV, I remember smiling and saying to myself, "Hey, Tripp made it! Good for him."
What happened with your umpire career ?
@@JohnM-sw4sc I wasn't good enough to be placed, but I did call high school and little league for several years.
man not even close to a strike 😂 Sox got the short end of the stick on that
Yup. I’m a Yankee fan and the Sox were done dirty.
I don't understand how the best hitters Lose their eyesight and struggle telling balls and strikes before the age of 40 but umpires can still have perfect vision into their seventies.
I'm more impressed that it wasn't Angel Hernandez who did this to both teams, cause that's exactly who I expected to fuck up a call that badly
He had his turn earlier in the playoffs.
According to the graphs, Laz Diaz missed 21 ball-strike calls that night. Any one of us fucks up that badly at our job? We don't have a job anymore.
Not that I care because I'll never watch MLB again anyway, but balls and strikes should be automated calls.
Sup Brad. YEAH, I been saying this for YEARS. Umpires should NOT be calling balls and strikes. They need to go to a camera/optics system. X and Y camera's on home plate. ( And I believe games are being rigged anyway, so it's hard to trust if a game is legit/fair or not. ) Makes the whole thing a waste of time for the fans.
I’m with you man and I think it isn’t automated bc it’ll make baseball even more boring at least people talk about it when there’s an ump making awful calls
@@nemdawg6342 It's that, but also it's the umpire's union, and tradition. They don't want to change the game too much, because they know it will probably alienate many long-time fans. Fans do seem to like to argue about the games! Maybe it is fun for them to do that. I would just rather have a FAIR game.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: bring in the robo ump + get rid of those dumb sliding mitts = baseball fixed.
Yall want to take away the human factor away from baseball lmao
@@Tecojovishix you want shitty calls like the ones in this video to continue lmao
go back to sleep, Memaw.
@@FAB_GNC Angel Hernandez in action. Anything else?
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@@disciplefan1221 part of the game bro. Deal with it. They got a whole 9 innings to win the game
@@Tecojovishix lololol. Human factor? So we got robots pitching and batting and fielding? Remove umps and now suddenly there's no human factor? Get over yourself.
the fact that they call the outside pitch a strike and he doesn’t hog the plate is crazy
Any umpire who are rated in the bottom 25% of strike and ball calls during the season should not be selected to umpire playoff or World Series games. Only the umpires who get the highest percentage of strike and ball calls should be behind the plate, period. If you need to pay these umps who consistently get it wrong for years at least embarrass them by not giving them post season and/or behind the plate assignments.
As an Astros fan I have seen some calls go against the Astros.
HOWEVER, you can clearly see why the Red Sox nation is upset, especially on calls when the game is on the line. I think Laz is either anti-Boston or pro-Houston.
I'm really not used to my team getting the benefit of bad calls.
As a Sox fan, I strongly doubt that he's pro or anti anything. He is just consistently BAD all the time. Houston also got screwed on just as many calls in this game, but they just weren't as costly for them under the circumstances.
You are used to your team cheating though.
You did get the benefit of your team getting their players and world series not taken away after a massive cheating scandal though, so it will be a few more years until the Astros deserve some calls their way.
@@pokefan7897 😂😂😐
@@scj8863 Sox used Apple Watches so I guess this is the series of cheaters🥳
I appreciate you doing part of the video on the umpire's skill. I think a video or two on how good or bad some umpires are would be cool.
It wasn't a "pitchers duel" through most of the game. It was the damn ump calling ball as strikes. Then Houston blew it open when he decided to stop calling strikes. Eovaldi had strike 3 with 2 outs before Houston scored any runs but the ump didn't call it. Then things snowballed from there. Just as the Red Sox benefited from all the walks in games 2 & 3. Umpire inconsistency plays much too big of a role in professional baseball. It can be absurd at times.
Scoreboard even said walk
That one pitch fucked our season. Great job, Diaz
This isn't over. Their best comes out when their backs are against the wall. Believe. #DirtDogs2021
@@KTF_7 well it's over....
@@saladtx6928 Congratulations, salad! I'm proud of my boys because they fought & exceeded everyone's expectations of them this season. Your pitching came around, Alvarez is on another level 🇨🇺💯 & I'd love for Dusty to be a champion. Good luck in the WS!
Jomboy had excellent point. Best Ump should be behind plate , and so on.... Listen to Jomboy Manfred, Otherwise we will call for him to replace you!!
It’s good to see little league umps being represented in the playoffs
Little League are better.
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The umpires in professional baseball are truly horrible. They are stealing history out from under the players and teams. They are a necessity but the rate at which they are ruining the game is devastating. Many are to old and the personal strike zones each home plate umpire seems to have is trash. Replay needs to be more frequently available to protect the teams and players we love from these failures. Imagine if you were this well known for being bad at your job, yet made 300K a year. Pathetic...
We need the second Braves walk off breakdown, not to mention the Cody Bellinger 3 run homer!
Gotta throw the ball if you want interference, that’s what I’ve always been taught.
I’m a super casual baseball fan and don’t know to much about the game, and I know that’s a ball ☠️
Such a great point about the umpires. MLB really needs to think about who they're putting out there for these games.
I'm starting to be of the mindset that AI should be calling strikes and balls. Keep the ump there for most every other call, but a computer can quickly give a more accurate strike zone response.
Even the positioning of the ump was terrible just to add to the pot. I mean it looked like he even would have lost it in the catchers shoulder.
It's been awhile since I've seen a home play ump that bad, this year in general it hasnt been good, but this one was particularly bad and it was in the post season.
This Jd strikeout has a lot of impact on the series too
i think it’s time to bring the robo umps
No. Leave it the way it is.
Trust me, you don’t want tht
@@BigCManMusic I don't want accurate calls?
That implies MLB cares about pitches being called fairly and accurately, which they clearly do not.
Skynet ..... I think watching a ballplayer getting beaten up by a cyborg would be interesting but a bit too far ...lol.
when the red sox were pitching in the top of the 9th, there were 21 missed strikes. 21.
I want a robo-ump for pitches. I don't really care about base runners, or foul vs fair at the posts, or infield flys. I just want every pitched ball over the plate to be called correctly.
Hell nah. How silly would the sport become by putting robots behind the plate thats stupid. Imagine players and managers arguing with that shit
@@FAB_GNC
That could have been programmed by a child for all we know. If robots can build a car perfectly 99.99999% of the time, they can call balls and strikes.
some umps need to be let go man. There's no excuse for these terrible calls this postseason
Jimmy "Interpretating" O'Brien
There needs to be penalties given for poor umpiring and on the flip side bonuses for the best umps. This problem has to be addressed.
I think Maldy held up because he also thought it was a walk.
Ump (Laz) Brain: well I can't blame JD for walking towards 1st, that pitch was over the other batter's box.
Regarding the interference, the fielder (catcher) actually has to make the throw. You either throw it and can induce an interference, or you hold on it. There cannot be interference if there's no play.
Except that the last time Maldonado was interfered with on a throw to first, it was NOT called. Boston seems to have a habit of doing this shit
@@FAB_GNC he's right actually the cathcer has to get rid of the ball to get the call all he had to do was throw it
If the catcher has to make a throw to get the call, then the batter just has to grab him in a bear hug before he tries to throw. Interference can certainly be called without a throw being made.
@@FAB_GNC I think for the most part the umps use their judgment on intentional or unintentional interference. If its unintentional then a throw of some sort must be made to get an interference call now if the batter deliberately gets in the catchers way or bumps him then they'll call interference right than and there.
@@umpinmass not really if its clearly intentional then they'll call the runner out
Incentivize good ball strike calling by scoring the umps during the regular season and putting them behind the plate in post season games. Or set a minimum standard and if they don't meet it during the regular season, they don't get to be behind the plate in post season.
And if that means you get the same ump behind the plate in back to back post season games, then GOOD. At least you are getting the best umps that way.
Honestly the worst call of the night was the "ball" to Castro that should've ended the 9th because it was clearly a strike. Instead the Astros score 7. The two worst calls of the night both shit on the Sox.
that call was the real backbreaker
Maybe the Red Sox will catch a break someday 😆
Your analysis is completely on point. So much better than the nonexistent baseball coverage ESPN spews out
This one single pitch and UNREAL umpiring... I'm actually done with baseball. Nothing can save this sport. I'm literally done. I can't have faith in the sport when this continues to happen over and over and MLB refusing to put in place any safegaurds for HORRIBLE calls. Bye.
Dude. NFL has it worse. Bad calls all the damn time PLUS the flat out refusal to get the call correct after replay.
@@frighty True
That was COMPLETELY a BALL on that 3-2 count. Clown Umps.
I thought the good umps were supposed to be in the playoffs
Unfortunately, merit is NOT the sole criterion.
Not offsetting, should be a man on first and second, period.
Honestly would love to see Boston lose but they clearly got more screwed on this. This is not "off-set penalties" because if the ball is properly called, there is no interference because there is no steal.
Thanks for the content! I watch all your videos man. Keep it up!
I HATE BASEBALL, but I watch all of Jomboys uploads. 👍🏼
I quit caring about baseball after the strike in the 90s. But Jomboy rules.
@@cygnustsp I almost stopped watching completely after they moved the ASG from Atlanta to Denver because of some woke BS politics. Ugh been watching baseball for such a long time though that it's tough to leave it. So here I am...
These umpires are legit the same as career politicians. Doesn’t matter how fucking terrible they are at their job, they somehow get to keep going up there fucking shit up day after day after day.
It was a ball. That ruined the game for us and momentum.
Laz is literally the reason the Sox are on the brink of elimination. Such horse shit calls that shifted momentum indefinitely. Poor JD constantly gets hosed with outside calls being pinned as strikes as well
The Boys in Blue are in real trouble now that their statistics are getting thrown around. We always knew their calls were subjective bullshit, now we have reportable facts and statistics. I saw one comment say robo umps would be bad for the game...would they really? Robo-Umps can process plays & calls at speeds unimaginable by the human brain with the assistance of multiple different camera angles and replay technology. Do we lose some nuances that human umps make? Sure but I would rather have a game with consistent balls & strikes than a game with inconsistent balls & strikes with the occasional fly rule being called correctly.
i mean, we need a combination of the 2 i think. Robot eyes for some things, human brains for others. Fly rule is easy to program in, not sure how easy the rule about where and how you can establish your path to first base after a hit would be to program though. Stuff like that.
You also need a factor that can keep order on the field and keep the game moving as well. I guess we can send in police during a brawl? lol
Most other things can be programmed in. We've done it on console gaming for years so i'm not a programmer but c'mon that can't be difficult for you guys to do right? Time consuming i'm sure though.
I would also be a fan of the extra camera angles we as fans would get as a result of this as well. I can see pixels being debated in the future if this occurs though :)
@@therealjoshuacaleb4873 thanks for the comment but you read a little too far into the example. I wasn't actually saying that fly outs are a consistent problem that human umps solve. It was just an example of a situation where the robot would have to do something other than call balls & strikes.
You got caught looking at every tree that you forgot you're in a forest :)
@@FAB_GNC Before I break down your comment and video, I just wanted some clarifications from you if possible.
1) You're posting this video as an example of "this is why we dont want robo umps"?
2) You understand the limitations of cherry-picking information and how that can skew opinions.
3) You understand that Trackman was created based around one specific technology and not with specific baseball stadiums and additional technology such as cameras and human umpire input.
4) You understand that technology advances at a rate drastically different than anything else on the planet.
I can poke tons of holes in that video and your argument if that is the argument and point you are making. I just don't want to assume stuff and put words in your mouth since your original comment provided very little.
@@FAB_GNC So what were you waiting for?
Laz was terrible that night. If he calls the ball and J.D. walks there’s no trouble at all.
The fact that no one can contest or reverse an umps really bad call, is mind boggling.
You can, but not on pitches or judgment calls like interference.
Jomboy creates a new word! INTERPRETATING! I love it!
As a former pitcher, I appreciate that ball getting called a strike. As a former lead off hitter, I’d be flipping over that horrendous ball being called a strike!
Maldonado thought it was a ball. That's part of the reason he didn't throw
Perfect video! Also look at the last inning when the astros started scoring a lot. Martín Maldonado had a 3-2 count with two outs curveball thrown top right of zone (It was inside the zone) called ball & batter got walked (start of the hitting spree) ridiculous ump calling that game 😂
Jomboy you are making baseball such a better sport. Thank you. It's a good sport but you are making it so much better. It's crazy but you honestly make baseball fun again. You need a contract with ESPN or something. Your content is so so so much better, honestly. I think you might be the solution to the baseball "problem" people talk about. It's not boring, it's actually super interesting and you are able to weirdly describe how interesting it can be like no other person can.
The home plate umpiring in the ALCS and NLCS has been GARBAAAAAAAAAGE! You think the MLB should choose their umpires better for post-season ball.
i dont care if he calls that outside pitch... AS LONG AS IT GOES BOTH WAYS!!!!!!! For BOTH TEAMS
Sucks that Laz Diaz and Angel Hernandez weren't named something like "Bill Jones". They wouldn't have jobs.
“Interpretating…” Hmm… I may have learnt a new word today courtesy of Jomboy.
He's also used the non-word "improvational".
This is one of those things to me that's incredible about the social aspects of baseball and not the technical ones. No matter how many rules get written about this, this is one of those things that will always come down to an individual ump.
Why do umpires get tenure?