@@majinhabib exactly what i was thinking, "it's almost guaranteed that the album you picked is from a mainstream artist" get out of here with that shit most people i've met actually like finding new music. now granted, i might just be lucky but from my experience thats how it is.
@@PaulToyoda My favorite artist (Bonus RPK, good luck guessing the genre and location of the artist on name basis only) is yeah no where near mainstream, even my favorite genre is still very underground (its still a huge genre, especially in its home country.) I do love it when I see people liking my favorite artists and genres because I'm thinking only I could enjoy it here in America but I've had people swing to the beat or add it to their music collection.
I just find this take ridiculous, maybe I'm an idiot but this whole essay is based on assumptions and random blanket statements. Yes, I did pick an actual album and not a random one from an artist I like. No, music is not governed by whether or not I idolize an artist, it is governed by whether I enjoy the music. And saying things like 'Its pretty much guaranteed that your favorite album was made by a big name artist'. It is absolutely not guaranteed, it's more likely because those artists are more popular and therefore have greater reach across more listeners, meaning it would be more common for someone's favorite album to be made by a big name artist, but that's just common sense, and the increased likelihood certainly doesn't make it 'guaranteed'. Not to mention the experiment with the violinist, which is just an example of cherry-picking data to help support your point and ignoring the flawed nature of your selection. Not only is classical music not nearly as widespread in popularity as the more modern genres we know today, classical music is niche, and therefore obviously most people in a random area of a city aren't going to have much of a reaction to a violinist, because they don't care, because the majority of people aren't big classical music fans, and music is subjective. The reason his tickets sell for so much is because that value is derivative of the demand from people who actually WANT to go and see him, if you asked 11 strangers what they would pay to see him play his violin, I doubt that their answers would average out to something even close $100 (and people have also mentioned the location of his performance, which is also an extremely valid criticism and just shows that even this experiment rigged the data in their favor to get the result they wanted, much like what this video essay is doing).
*I agree, too. I was about confused when all the statements he made in the video lacked a few key points surrounding that but as well, he must've missed how the actual music industry works, these points can be lengthened and there are operations that go in place to forcibly shove results in front of people's face. Second, there are so many more people out there in this world compared to 3 decades ago, communities are so spread far out, someone can have their own mini-ommunity and it can go under the radar and not everyone needs to sign up with a label to make music too, which he missed the point of. Also, albums take a long time as he asssumes, but there's a difference in production quality and creative directions artists or groups take when they make music. For example, I've heard of artists having many writers to work on a singular song before done to make it happen but the song contained simple, catchy 4 chord tunes and Taylor swift had 10 albums made but those weren't done with the purpose of musical ambition. Some made only 2 in one year, but they contained short - or earworm songs, and those made the marks.* *If you see Japanese artists making their counts, look in their direction compared to my English artists. And even that varies and depends.* *Music taste I agree with all of you here is super varied, and this video only hits the surface. It misses hears, and how at times graphs are misleading and some indies kind of aren't always defined as people who can't afford it, but maybe also people who are already skilled and amazing musicians, they are just simply not famous, which shouldn't he a reason someone should disqualify their real potential. Which I agree.* *Like songwriters getting credited on a song at times is done just because they want a snag out of the cash, and some record labels don't even pay their artists fairly.* *Yeah, it's a full study.*
Agreed, i have begun collecting cds from the 2000's primarily and have found a Ton of artists i have never heard before. Sadly out of the full collection only one CD is untraceable on he internet aside from a webpage on discogs
yeah, i think i'm liking this album a lot. many thanks for the introduction! recommendations are my favorite way of discovering new music to listen to :)
Not gonna lie, i feel like this is more of a conformist kind of issue. Everyone is so scared to be different. If you get off Spotify and let yourself fall down a rabbit hole you'll find your type of music
Exactly I started listening to music from Korea,Mexico, and japan even though I don’t speak some of those languages I enjoy it a lot more than the music here. You just have to let your instincts take over and look at the music you’ve been wanting to check out 😂
this video has got to be made for the conformists because literally every point has got me like "uh I don't do that though?" 😭 are people really this shallow now?
he played violin in an area where people were on the go. Had he played in the part of the train station where people were actually waiting he would have likely received more attention and tips. dumb experiment.
Interesting thing, my city has a lot of street musicians, so I was walking through my city and I saw guitar virtuoso playing opera on 12 string acoustic guitar I have never seen before, on top of that, he didn't use a pick, he was tapping them along with the guitar itself so give it more rhythm (I forgot how's that style of playing called), it was crazy. He didn't receive any attention and had really small tip. The very next day I saw other guy on the same place strumming 3 chords playing some Yugoslavian rock music and a huge crowd recording and supporting him, along with the bag full of tips. That's when all of this clicked to me
That experiment made no sense. On top of what you said, only people who really love that kind of music would show up to one of those concerts, which is obviously announced way ahead of time. The concert also has yknow… an entire orchestra instead of just 1 guy with a violin
Isn’t the location of the violinist a factor as well being as they were playing in a busy station with people having places to be. If it was in a mall or shopping centre there might of been more people stopping.
This definitely feels like it's based on people who don't actually think too much about music, but just put it on as background noise or get into it for the social aspect. As someone whose favourite album that came out this year (mostly due to lack of listening to more new albums) was Guardian of the Universe by Oxygen Destroyer, a band I discovered through word of mouth, you absolutely can form your own taste independent of algorithms and social media trends. For me, it was looking at members of bands I liked and seeing what else they were a part of, plus RateYourMusic esoteric charts for specific genres.
Yeah same I picked Nightfall In Middle Earth by Blind Guardian as I fell into a pretty big Blind Guardian rabbit hole last year and I really love that album. I discovered that band because of my oldest brother in fact most bands I listen to come from him but there is one other way of discovering artists that this essay did not account for: A support band for a bigger band at a concert, that is how I discovered Chaoseum the band that's at number 3 of my top artists last year and an independent band.
Anyone else feel like those who only listen to mainstream artists try to disregard those who don’t? Few comments like that here, I don’t understand it lmao.
yea i am one who listens to and tries to find new music and i dont understand how you cant? my favorite album of this year is from go hang music's year of the hair hes a smaller artist i found by chance in rusty cages recommended artist tab
@@brady-o-active1167 No, he's right. Some people think you're an elitist or a pretentious person just because you truly love to find and consume new music outside of the mainstream.
If this is true you should post a song from it on RUclips. Get him some attention. Also I am curious, what genre is the music? How long ago was the CD made?
it was just a few years ago, since the community of people i'm around we like to use older tech for fun, my theater teacher has this really big boombox that we use to mess around and play music, the genre of music is something that i haven't really thought about since i mostly only listen to those tracks and haven't really seeked out more of it, i don't know where the cd is now if i find it i'll try and ask him if i can upload it!
While its true there's plenty of people who discredit music from small artists, I feel like people who do the reverse are equally as annoying and no one talks about them. I know so many people who immediately discredit a song if its by a "big artist" or get frustrated if they ask for the name of a song and find out its by taylor swfit or the Weeknd. I dont get why people try to act like they're "unique" or special just cause they listen to underground artists, doubly so when they call others NPCs or basic for listening to music thats popular.
@@Huhuhyhhyh for me personally i don't even use Spotify or any music streaming app.. i rely on mp3 and word of mouth so basically EVERTHING he said was based on assumptions that were straight up not true... Also he doesn't consider anyone who doesn't listen to anything made by non-westren/non-american musicians so the whole thing about Spotify/college kids determining our music taste is just plain wrong
@ but most people use apps for music and I agree about the college kids there are bigger cities with a higher population but the algorithm controls what you listen to for the most part some music comes from word of mouth like you said but when he talks about the big artists he is right for example Taylor swift I personally don’t listen to her music but she has a big fan base so she will be in the algorithm more often than smaller artists
Im the same but im just listen single songs of random albums random artist that I heard about somewhere, only one guy I listen and love almost every song from him is eminem I dunno why, but I almost all my life since I herd him I love him, this year I just started listening to rap just rap boombap more specifically i discovered MF doom for me rza, and many many more but still I don't listen to specific alboms just random songs that I like the most, am i alone at that guys? Sorry for this much random thoughts, really wanted express my feeling in this topic and exercise me English, good rest of the day yall
my trick is I don't use spotify because I dislike it and instead I download every song I want to have on demand. why yes I'm autistic how could you tell?
I hate Spotify and roll my eyes when someone sends me a Spotify link to listen to a song… I’m like.. how do you live like thissss! I love downloading everything cuz you never know when it’s gonna be wiped from the internet (happens much more often than you think) and feels super nice to have things at hand without having to wait till ur on a WiFi connection
@CattleChoirMusic real, I can't afford a phone plan, streaming services are very inconvenient for me. and I don't want to need to make an account just to listen to the full length songs with ads between
I have ended up doing the same. This way one actually possesses the music and it cannot easily be taken away; it has even in my case helped me archive two songs, that might otherwise have been lost for good.
People go to a concert to hear violin. People go to a metro station for an entirely different reason. Like what…? Also just because I have a specific personality, I don’t hand pick my taste to line up with it. I have an entirely different personality than my music. I don’t understand how this would be true in any way.
We obviously all decided our own music taste. Just cuz they recommend you shit don’t takeaway your ability to decide what you like. I hate this idea that people who litsen to mainstream music are sheep who have been tricked into liking it. Idol culture is nothing new it’s been happening sense the 50s. Don’t feel guilty for participating in trends, like what you like let others do the same.
Same thoughts bro...I like some mainstream and definitiely love some artists who hardly have 100K listeners on Spotify...and I personally picked them because I love their stuff...one of them just so happens to be a new artist that spotify recommended to me and I couldn't be more grateful...is it similar to other stuff that I already like that just so happens to be more mainstream? ...maybe, but that doesn't mean I'm an NPC. It means I decide my own music taste/style that I generally like to listen to. And sometimes Spotify sends crap that I hate, so you know what I do? I just DON'T listen to it! Lol... I know there's people out there who are actually like what this video describes, but I personally don't get it.
@@Narko_Marko I have over 124,000 hours on Apple Music I listen to every genre, jazz rock, metal rap, hip-hop country you name it and I agree with this guy you can like everything. Some people just have specific choices like my brother doesn’t like country music, but we grew up in the same household, listening to it in the car
@@thatweirdguy4749 Has there ever been a song you didn't enjoy, you didn't like? Try to think of one, some desthcore track that's just painful to listen to or perhaps skibidi toiler or something similar which gets on your nerves for some reason. Think of a single track you dislike, now just choose to like it. You can't, you don't choose what you like, you can get accuustomed to it by exposing yourself to it which after a while makes you like it but as long as there is a single track you still dislike after listening to it, my point stands. You don't choose what you like, it is written deep inside your subconscious. Like food, babies are born craving only sugar, as you expose them to bitter, salty and sour foods they get accustomed to them and start liking them. This is why it is hard to enjoy spicy food if you are from a culture that doesn't use spices. This is the reason peopel refuse listen to other genres, they don't like it immediately and getting accustomed to it is harder than lidtening to what you already like. You may disagree with what you think I'm saying but you can't disagree with what I am actually saying.
i've heard frank's discography but dust was forgettable for me (at least a lot more than swim good, american wedding, novacane, etc) so makes sense i didn't catch on to it
ive never been scared to listen to obscure artists that no one knows or have recommended me but i can see why some people just stay in their comfort zone ig (im still expanding my music taste specifically rock like i barely know anything about it 😭)
@@cursedheavy7913I use Spotify. My favorite album of last year was Night Palace by Mount Eerie. He’s pretty popular in online circles but not super mainstream in terms of radio play or streams.
@@cursedheavy7913 no, you can diversify your interests if you listen to Spotify, I don't listen to modern bands because it is all trash but it recommends me lots of music it thinks I'll like
@@lusks4815 bro this is literally geared towards people who only follow mainstream trends to gain the approval of others, and dont think for themselves. This isn't a gotcha comment on your part bro 😭🙏 this vid is literally geared towards people who act like everyone else
My discover weekly on Spotify is literally only underground artists? Like most of them under 100k listeners, some under 1000. I feel like people listen to pop and popular music in general and that is reflected by their discover weekly.
Same, I love my discovery weekly because of that I discover a lot of stuff, I really love my algorithm it takes literally artists from every genre and artists both mainstream and underground.
My music taste is whatever song I found that I like. Whether its a 50’s pop song or some break beat song by some mf on Spotify with only like 200 followers, if it makes my ears tingle, it goes into my liked songs
I genuinely love Taylor Swift and Paris Hilton but also genuinely love Spiritbox, Chelsea Grin, Escuela Grind, and Signs of the Swarm. But some artists just become much more popular because they are just that good.
honestly i really don't care if the music spotify recommends to me is sponsored or not, what's more important is that i enjoy it, which is what usually happens. I've found many of my now favourite artists/albums through autoplay :)
‘You are most likely to listen to music from a specific artist you like’ Has it not always been like that? The only reason that happens is that we feel a sense of security when listening to those artists because we can ensure they will have something we like. Personally, I get really pissed off whenever I am listening to a song I don’t like, hence why I am always on the same artists. And I would say largely we chose these artists because of our taste, and not how commercialised they are. Like if I am being really honest, I had no idea who The Weeknd was till like 2023, and now I listen to his stuff all the time because I enjoy it. Also the reason we normally stick with these artists and don’t drift off is because though these artists are well established, each album has its own sound, theme and story that in some way we can resonate. Now I do agree that more than ever TikTok has a major influence on the success of a song, but we also need to be reminded that not everyone is on TikTok, and now that it seems it is about to get banned, people will base music they like on quality rather than viral trends. Lastly that thing you said about people listening to the Beatles cus it’s trendy and made you cool. Increasingly in the world we live in, I can see more and more people not giving a crap about what people think of their music taste, like me for example. I am a big fan of the big artists of our generation, and if that makes me basic, so be it. People are thinking less of what others think of them and just doing their own thing. I agree when you say that our music taste is more just the artists we like, but I don’t see that as a bad thing. It’s a bad thing for smaller artists, but we need to acknowledge that there have always been smaller artists, both in the times of the Beatles and in the modern times. Every big artist today had to start somewhere, difference is that they made a lasting impact on music that kept them around. They thing about the violinist. I think that’s just more the fact people are always on their phones and we’re going to work. They would not expect a Grammy winning artist right there. Good video, but I don’t agree with everything.
As a older 'millenial', this video just confuses me. I was into 'discovering' music from the moment I turned into a teenager. I went through my parents records, borrowed cassettes and CDs, listened to the radio... there's so many ways to be active and find new material out there. Why do we allow streaming services with algorithms tell us what we like and who we are - instead of other people out there. Ask people around you. Read reviews. Listen to DJs. It's Just so weird to me what music has become.
@@t_albino Uuuh teenager who uses Spotify and RUclips to listen to music, i actually see the algoritm as a myserious guy who randomly reccomends you stuff and then ypu decide whether you like it or not, Ive met a shit ton of New artists thanks to the funni algorithm just throwing a random song on my face, and more than half of the time it was a completely new genre from a non-mainstream artist that i ended up genuinly enjoying, thats how i ended up loving Bossa Nova and Jazz Fusion (Masayoshi Takanka, Lisa Ono, Jobin, CASIOPEA, etc.) Tbh these artists could have been perfectly just not been my taste and i could simple not continue listening to 'em, I also get to know new music from friends and its the same thing qith the differencr that they human and i get commentary along with it, Also the radio just has mainstream music these days and its very unlikely that a kiddo or just a person in general these days can find any form of physical media unless they bought it themselves to support an artist they already liked. But thats just my opinion
Idk man, i have many favorite albums made by artists who barely have 2000 monthly spotify listeners, i just like to explore music and find hidden gems.
When i pick music I mostly choose random songs I found on the internet. But I will say 30% of my picks are from a dude named Creo, so yeah I sometimes find music enjoyable when it's from an artist I know.
I actually found my favorite artist of the year without knowing who they were. I had no idea what they would sound like, nor what genre they were. I just saw some vague looking album art and gave it a listen. This is how I usually find some of my favorite artists and music. Edit: The artist/band I was talking about Disembodied Tyrant / Synesthia with their “The Poetic Edda” EP, go check em out and give them some love
My favorite last year was suggested to me by my friend and I loved it. He has not a lot of music and just made his first album so it's really nice listening to something small because they put more feeling into it
i feel like this video is geared towards npcs or people who dont LOVE music.. anyways TPE is fantastic! found DT and fell in love with em, cant wait for what else they put out
I don’t listen to music for the artist, I usually only listen to one or two songs by each artist I like, very rarely I actually like everything a artist puts out
Fr, even i don't like all of my favorite artists songs (eminem) i skip a few of his songs because they aren't what I like. But I still love a lot of his music.
Never mind I thought this video was about how childhood and environmental factors and other stuff affects your music taste. Also the experiment is really stupid if you stopped and think about it for more than 5 seconds. 7:00 is that not how radio used to work? I don’t get it what’s the point of that line?
I literally have 0 favorite songs made by an artist that many people know. Usually they’re only very small artists, and I hate a lot of big name artists. I’m not completely opposed to it, but a lot of them just have a certain sound to them that I’ve never understood the “universal appeal” of
Whatever goes viral or tiktok? My man I never even had tiktok installed. My music taste is quite common. David Bowie, Talking heads, Ozzy Osbourne, Elvis, Queen and almost every single big band or musician frok 60s to 90s
I don’t really feel called out at all, I don’t hav tik tok and rarely tough a song was interesting because of a trend. My favorite album isn’t even from this year, I didn’t listen to a 2024 album at all. Anywho, the violin case, the type of music he’s playing is very niche… and in a public space where people have to go. If it was MJ maybe I’d get it but it’s a random violinist who may be very much popular in his genre but won’t to the average John Doe.
average joes get their music chosen for them, but for the people who actually care about music choose it themselves because they put in effort to find what they like.
Big artists are more reliable. But not always. That doesn't mean much tho. There is always so many options. And there is also the social factor to take into account. Liking obscure music isn't a flex people seem to think it is. There is value in not being so weird you are unapproachable. Also, genres exist.. There is not "unmusical music". It is not a thing. There are just different ways music can be musical. That is the point of genres.
i think it's not social pressure as much as it is social cohesion to a certain extent. People who are "normal" get to hang around mainstream social circles that will easily shape their musical preferences
Well i think for me, I listen to the songs that i like. I listen to the ones that i like sonically. If i like an artist ill try out their music and if it's not my style, ill just listen to the ones that i like. And that's what I've been doing. Like I didn't know Play Date and Pacify Her was made by Melanie Martinez, I didn't even know who she was. But when her single DEATH dropped and it somehow popped up in my fyp and that was my first time listening to her as an artist not just a song, I really liked it and tried her other musics and it suit my style of music so she's now one of my favorite artist. And I heard 'Fictional' by Khloe Rose, it was good so i tried her songs and it was my style of music so I also like her songs. So I think I can pretty much say I listen to my style of music. My favorite genre is Pop and other alternatives so that's what i listen to. Songs gets found and with that i discover the artist and their artwork. I think exposure plays a very important role here.
"It's pretty much garunteed that your favourite album of the year was made by a big name artist" Damn didn't know Ingested were as popular as Taylor Swift
I didn't even listen to a album from this year and my fav album from last year is from a small chinese(?) vocaloid producer that the artist only appears as "Hatsune Miku" and "Xin Hua" (its another vocaloid). But i actually picked up a album from my fav band released in 2020 and none of the songs has 1 million streams, and they only have 1 with atleast that but it's from 2007
I didn’t know people would do this. I thought we could just appreciate art as it’s found! I personally listen to a lot of underground things. Life’s too short to confitm
about listening to artist from certain genres, i actually did listen to a lot of artists from the genre and just listened to their most popular/acclaimed album. couple years back i was interested in listening to metalcore, since i already listen to modern bands like boundaries, i wanted to further familiarize myself with the genre. so i went to search prominent metalcore bands from each era (i.e. “earth crisis” from the early years, “poison the well” from when the genre was booming, etc). i find it fun and refreshing to keep listening to new bands and figure out how i would fit them in my playlists and just the satisfaction of finding new bands to enjoy
Idk man, I travel the seven seas for my music, and browse music sites like Rate Your Music to find new music. I don't use social media or streaming services at all. My music taste is my own choice. That being said, My Bloody Valentine's Loveless and Slowdive's Souvlaki were fighting to be on that square. A lot of my favorite albums are from small indie shoegaze bands. These type of people who only listen to an artist just to be cool or they heard it on tiktok are the reason why these concerts of ARTISTS I LOVE that i have gone to are so boring. I want to connect with people with similar tastes. Just to find load and loads of people who don't care about the artist or their other music, other than their hits. I ask them about what's their favorite band and what they like about the genre, and they just look at me like a weirdo. I really don't care about how you found an artist. Just don't pretend to like the artist or the genre, if you only listen to a few songs from them. I'm really passionate about music, and I really hate what spotify and greedy corpos have done to it.
i agree with the sentiment here but i wouldnt really consider my bloody valentine or slowdive small or indie as they both are pretty big names and both were signed to creation (owned by sony)
@@porcelaein I'm aware of that, MBV driving them to near bankruptcy with Loveless, and Slowdive getting bullied away when they dropped Souvlaki. I was just saying that most of my taste are from smaller bands. I regard those two as "small" because of how many people I encountered that don't know who they are. Most of the time I talk to someone about alt rock, they seem to have never heard of Slowdive or MBV, or shoegaze in general. When they do, its just the hits as I said. I'd be rich if I had a penny every time someone said "When the Sun Hits" or "When You Sleep" as their favorite Slowdive or MBV track. Never heard "Alison" or "Only Shallow" at least once. They're amazing tracks, don't get me wrong. Hell, "When The Sun Hits" is my favorite song of all time. But they say answer me like it's the most boring thing they ever heard. But I do see how you can say they're big though. They're pretty known on the internet. Their albums are regarded as a must listen by many. They got millions of listens on their music. Their shows are pretty packed, literally missed the ticket sale for the MBV show in Dublin. Slowdive ending up being the biggest shoegaze band despite getting bullied away is pure poetic justice. As much as I love Souvlaki and Slowdive, they might influenced people to make watered down shoegaze though. Really wish modern shoegaze had that dirty abrasive feel Loveless has and sprinkled a bit in Souvlaki, which made them the best shoegaze albums ever. Kevin Shields and the rest of MBV getting hearing lost from recording Loveless is all you need to know how abrasive shoegaze should be.
I'm with you on using RYM as a place to find new music. But even that place has inherent bias towards certain kinds of music. Most artistic and rock leaning. Excludes lots of Classical, Jazz, Reggae, World music and even Certain strands of R&B and Pop. So while you may be picking your own album to listen to like MBV and Slowdive, its not necessarily YOUR music taste, it's the consensus music taste of certain people who find them self on a site like RYM. I compare the RYM movies side to Letterboxd and how vastly different the ratings are on each site, how RYM is more critical and Letterboxed is far more positive and RYM is a lot less popular than Letterboxd is. I think the popularity affects the stats and what is considered great. Since RYM is filled with people who are into more experimental type music and film and then the general population is into more accessible music and film. It taints the picture of what the real consensus is. I always imagine what RYM charts would be like if it was as popular as Letterboxd, and I'm honestly happy it isn't because I really love a lot of the music that is loved on RYM. Tldr I'm basically saying that RYM has a demographic and a certain audience. Just like finding music on TikTok, or finding music on Spotify or RYM. It really just depends. Sorry that was so long
1:46 the favorite album of this year I thought of was from a new band and that album is the only thing they have aside from a couple singles off that release
I started collecting CDs several years ago, too. I Just Love to have the physical Copy of an Album, Nobody can delete the Song on Spotify or somewhere Else. Also, I'm looking for specific rare Stuff Like Demos or albums such unknown that even a Google Search won't Bring Up many Results (other than Discogs)😅 @@CrawlingToYouOn1MillionLegs
Dawg I’m Mexican and most I hear is Mexican music, and guess who I chose? an American artist which I listened to willingly on the first try, despite barely hearing their music.
As someone who listens to Stray kids for more than a year, I think I dont have this problem .Kpop is for some reasons very hated so I dont listen what other people say because I enjoy while lisening.
I do agree. My brother definitely influenced my music taste. He would play his songs, and I'd usually be by him. Then, I basically explored the genre. Its basically kinda like a way less intense peer pressure. This really opened my eyes to realize how my music taste evolved from one person. Good video btw!
This comment section is so negative, so I really hate to disagree. This video definitely seemed geared towards the people who put on their Spotify daily playlist or whatever and “listen” to it while doing dishes, never giving it a thought. I think it’s more so a symptom of the passive entertainment age we’re getting into. People don’t sit in their bed and just experience an album, they put a playlist on while they’re doing something else. That’s fine, music doesn’t have to be an integral part of everyone’s life, but the personal perspective he was going for seemed to make some assumptions. Most of the music I listen to is from word of mouth or filtering from an artist I already know. Because of that I don’t feel like my taste is being constructed by a Spotify algorithm. The point on basing genres on your perception of self/who you want to be seemed pretty valid though
When i started listening to hip hop, the youtube media repeatedly pushed the narrative that eminem is overrated and kanye west, though has good albums isnt really a good guy and just scouts samples with lame verses in his music. But when i decided to forget their popular songs and listen to their whole discography to see if its actually the case, i instantly started to like both the artists more and right now, those two are the only artists i mostly listen to. So i guess i did have some choice, lot of others just follow the band wagon.
This was super interesting but l’m surprised to hear that people would choose music that way. There’s no artist that has a 'no skips' discography for me and my favorite albums are not that popular/by artists that I see getting promoted much. I can like one song by an artist because it’s a music style I like while not enjoying anything else on that album.
3:22 “its guaranteed that your favorite album was made by a big artist” uhh… that’s so wrong,, I picked AJR, which yes, they do have lots of listeners, however when I chose them as my favorite band, I did it because I liked the music, NOT because I liked the followers or whatever.. I didn’t care who wrote the song at the time I first started listening to them, I just liked it without knowing how many followers or smth they had.
I got in this video thinking you would change my mind. But since I usually listen to underrated stuff it dosen't really apply to me. Im happy atleast tho.
The violonist thing is so stupid. Did people really expect regular people to appreciate or even have the capacity to acknowledge a mastery of an old ass instrument no one even listens to?
Plenty of people listen to classical music, and violins are used all the time in popular music. I agree it’s stupid though because almost no one can just recognize a Stradivarius instrument like that, plus those people were all on the move anyway.
I love how this video was geared towards NPCs who listen to slopular music but instead it found NPCs who think listening to obscure music makes them special.
this take is so stupid 😭😭 3:20 'it's pretty much guaranteed that your favorite album was made by a big name artist whose songs get millions of streams' 😭 bruh what??? my favorite album is not even on spotify💀💀 this dude is just talking up his ass lmao
This video is probably meant for broader audiences but I personally don't discover my music through Spotify playlists or recommendations. I tend to just go down a niche genre rabbithole full of smaller artists. And to ask what influences me choosing said genre is too deep of a question to ask.
i thought i was going insane by believing in this, ive seen some INSANE levels of popularity bias, and i just cant stand it, i dont have a favorite artist let alone a favorite album because i listen to very choice picks from several artists that dont represent the artists entire repertoire. but then i see others around me make arguments for their favorite artists like "no one could make it like they do" even though thats a very rare thing to happen. its not a polarizing issue, but its still annoying that people disregard music because it isnt famous or isnt associated with one of their favorite artists.
Crazy how I just found out that my method of listening to a song and really analizing if I really like it has prevent me from almost every point of your video, and is even more crazy that I knew things were this way. My favorite album could be sempiternal by BMTH, or Take me back to eden by Sleep token, but I can identify some song that I don't like on those albums. With other bands or artist I always listen to the song and go, "Mmmm this isn't my thing" or "yeah I liked that part, maybe I could listen to it a little more", Marshmello could be a good example, I used to love his music but it became repetitive, just like alan walker, making me don't wanting to listen to them or listen very less than before. Asking alexandria realeased 2 albums that have good music and I like a lot of them, but not enough to be listening to them all day like the oldest ones. A small artist like powfu is releasing music good so I have it in my playlist. Inzo is also kinda crazy with his music making my mind go beyond the clouds. Findlay is an small artist with a beautiful voice and I like her. Those are some examples of what I said in my firs paragraph, I think the best way of leaving this manipulation of the big labels is judging the music, not the artist, Taylor swift releases repetitive albums and song everytime, but maybe one day she will release something that could caught my attention, maybe cus is a different tipe of song, or has a more well production, I don't know, but thats the fun part, thats the way of not getting tired of music and always find good stuff to listen to
I mostly listen to underground or indie artists and genres like in the hyperpop, scene or anything similar. I also listen to quite a few indie rock bands. The other day i showed my friend this artist named blxty and he told me that the reason I dont listen to mainstream music is because i want to be "different" but imo music these days gets way too repetitive so for me its hard to listen to the same few artist everyday. Or even stick with the same genres.
Its insane how you got literally every point and prediction wrong
It's honestly impressive that this guy managed to be so pretentious and so wrong simultaneously
@@Sevenor3-c6q ikr this the type of guy to listen to drake and assume everyone listens to that trash lmao
@@majinhabib exactly what i was thinking, "it's almost guaranteed that the album you picked is from a mainstream artist" get out of here with that shit most people i've met actually like finding new music. now granted, i might just be lucky but from my experience thats how it is.
@@PaulToyoda My favorite artist (Bonus RPK, good luck guessing the genre and location of the artist on name basis only) is yeah no where near mainstream, even my favorite genre is still very underground (its still a huge genre, especially in its home country.) I do love it when I see people liking my favorite artists and genres because I'm thinking only I could enjoy it here in America but I've had people swing to the beat or add it to their music collection.
First time one of these “gotcha” type of video essays doesn’t include me
I just find this take ridiculous, maybe I'm an idiot but this whole essay is based on assumptions and random blanket statements. Yes, I did pick an actual album and not a random one from an artist I like. No, music is not governed by whether or not I idolize an artist, it is governed by whether I enjoy the music.
And saying things like 'Its pretty much guaranteed that your favorite album was made by a big name artist'. It is absolutely not guaranteed, it's more likely because those artists are more popular and therefore have greater reach across more listeners, meaning it would be more common for someone's favorite album to be made by a big name artist, but that's just common sense, and the increased likelihood certainly doesn't make it 'guaranteed'.
Not to mention the experiment with the violinist, which is just an example of cherry-picking data to help support your point and ignoring the flawed nature of your selection. Not only is classical music not nearly as widespread in popularity as the more modern genres we know today, classical music is niche, and therefore obviously most people in a random area of a city aren't going to have much of a reaction to a violinist, because they don't care, because the majority of people aren't big classical music fans, and music is subjective. The reason his tickets sell for so much is because that value is derivative of the demand from people who actually WANT to go and see him, if you asked 11 strangers what they would pay to see him play his violin, I doubt that their answers would average out to something even close $100 (and people have also mentioned the location of his performance, which is also an extremely valid criticism and just shows that even this experiment rigged the data in their favor to get the result they wanted, much like what this video essay is doing).
Yeah, a lot of the assumptions he made were incorrect for me anyways.
I agree
*I agree, too. I was about confused when all the statements he made in the video lacked a few key points surrounding that but as well, he must've missed how the actual music industry works, these points can be lengthened and there are operations that go in place to forcibly shove results in front of people's face. Second, there are so many more people out there in this world compared to 3 decades ago, communities are so spread far out, someone can have their own mini-ommunity and it can go under the radar and not everyone needs to sign up with a label to make music too, which he missed the point of. Also, albums take a long time as he asssumes, but there's a difference in production quality and creative directions artists or groups take when they make music. For example, I've heard of artists having many writers to work on a singular song before done to make it happen but the song contained simple, catchy 4 chord tunes and Taylor swift had 10 albums made but those weren't done with the purpose of musical ambition. Some made only 2 in one year, but they contained short - or earworm songs, and those made the marks.*
*If you see Japanese artists making their counts, look in their direction compared to my English artists. And even that varies and depends.*
*Music taste I agree with all of you here is super varied, and this video only hits the surface. It misses hears, and how at times graphs are misleading and some indies kind of aren't always defined as people who can't afford it, but maybe also people who are already skilled and amazing musicians, they are just simply not famous, which shouldn't he a reason someone should disqualify their real potential. Which I agree.*
*Like songwriters getting credited on a song at times is done just because they want a snag out of the cash, and some record labels don't even pay their artists fairly.*
*Yeah, it's a full study.*
Agreed, i have begun collecting cds from the 2000's primarily and have found a Ton of artists i have never heard before. Sadly out of the full collection only one CD is untraceable on he internet aside from a webpage on discogs
I thought I could have enough motivation to read this comment
kinda crazy that the album i've put on the square is not even on streaming services.
@@nepkolz lmao every malice mizer fan who watched this was thinking the same thing
what is the album?
@@manygh technology is a dead bird by mars argo
yeah, i think i'm liking this album a lot. many thanks for the introduction! recommendations are my favorite way of discovering new music to listen to :)
@nuggubs same for me, im glad you're liking it!
Not gonna lie, i feel like this is more of a conformist kind of issue. Everyone is so scared to be different. If you get off Spotify and let yourself fall down a rabbit hole you'll find your type of music
Exactly I started listening to music from Korea,Mexico, and japan even though I don’t speak some of those languages I enjoy it a lot more than the music here. You just have to let your instincts take over and look at the music you’ve been wanting to check out 😂
@PrinceOfTheSound japan is real, y'all sleeping on vkei
You can even do that on Spotify if you try hard enough. I found many artists there I wouldn't have otherwise found out about.
I’ve done that a few times
this video has got to be made for the conformists because literally every point has got me like "uh I don't do that though?" 😭 are people really this shallow now?
B-52 and Madness being considered violent is so funny
Don't you remember the part in Our House where they give detailed instructions on how to make improvised weapons?
also me listening to Brain Penetration by Cannibalistic Infancy: (it's a good song, check it out)
@@EverydayCasualty Oingo Boingo is most violent band I can think of.
fire
he played violin in an area where people were on the go. Had he played in the part of the train station where people were actually waiting he would have likely received more attention and tips. dumb experiment.
Interesting thing, my city has a lot of street musicians, so I was walking through my city and I saw guitar virtuoso playing opera on 12 string acoustic guitar I have never seen before, on top of that, he didn't use a pick, he was tapping them along with the guitar itself so give it more rhythm (I forgot how's that style of playing called), it was crazy. He didn't receive any attention and had really small tip. The very next day I saw other guy on the same place strumming 3 chords playing some Yugoslavian rock music and a huge crowd recording and supporting him, along with the bag full of tips. That's when all of this clicked to me
Also, no ones gonna stop and jeer about a violin
That experiment made no sense. On top of what you said, only people who really love that kind of music would show up to one of those concerts, which is obviously announced way ahead of time. The concert also has yknow… an entire orchestra instead of just 1 guy with a violin
I mean it's a good way to introduce ethos.
I suppose that he asked the wrong question.
Isn’t the location of the violinist a factor as well being as they were playing in a busy station with people having places to be. If it was in a mall or shopping centre there might of been more people stopping.
That's true. I feel like public crowded places in the afternoon is the best time to make money doing it
Yeah bang on. I was expecting him to also go outside and see hundreds swarm him, proposing that music perception depends on environmental factors.
This definitely feels like it's based on people who don't actually think too much about music, but just put it on as background noise or get into it for the social aspect. As someone whose favourite album that came out this year (mostly due to lack of listening to more new albums) was Guardian of the Universe by Oxygen Destroyer, a band I discovered through word of mouth, you absolutely can form your own taste independent of algorithms and social media trends. For me, it was looking at members of bands I liked and seeing what else they were a part of, plus RateYourMusic esoteric charts for specific genres.
Yeah same I picked Nightfall In Middle Earth by Blind Guardian as I fell into a pretty big Blind Guardian rabbit hole last year and I really love that album. I discovered that band because of my oldest brother in fact most bands I listen to come from him but there is one other way of discovering artists that this essay did not account for: A support band for a bigger band at a concert, that is how I discovered Chaoseum the band that's at number 3 of my top artists last year and an independent band.
Anyone else feel like those who only listen to mainstream artists try to disregard those who don’t? Few comments like that here, I don’t understand it lmao.
And It's so cringe. People literally saying "I don't want to find music I actually like because it will make other shallow people not like me"
yea i am one who listens to and tries to find new music and i dont understand how you cant?
my favorite album of this year is from go hang music's year of the hair hes a smaller artist i found by chance in rusty cages recommended artist tab
Not remotely. The opposite in fact
@@brady-o-active1167 No, he's right. Some people think you're an elitist or a pretentious person just because you truly love to find and consume new music outside of the mainstream.
I also see the opposite happen when people call those who listen to mainstream artists basic
So does obscure Swedish stoner doom metal count?
Obviously if they dont have over a million listeners then it sucks
@@theoothrasherWrong. If they have more than 100 monthly listeners, they're poser metal
@ Of course!
actually my favorite album was made by my friend and quite literally isn't even out, i only found it through a cd he left in theater one day
That's cool but is it your favourite because you like it more than any other music, or because your friend made it?
it was a song i heard for the first time from the genre, and also found out before i knew him
If this is true you should post a song from it on RUclips. Get him some attention. Also I am curious, what genre is the music? How long ago was the CD made?
it was just a few years ago, since the community of people i'm around we like to use older tech for fun, my theater teacher has this really big boombox that we use to mess around and play music, the genre of music is something that i haven't really thought about since i mostly only listen to those tracks and haven't really seeked out more of it, i don't know where the cd is now if i find it i'll try and ask him if i can upload it!
While its true there's plenty of people who discredit music from small artists, I feel like people who do the reverse are equally as annoying and no one talks about them. I know so many people who immediately discredit a song if its by a "big artist" or get frustrated if they ask for the name of a song and find out its by taylor swfit or the Weeknd. I dont get why people try to act like they're "unique" or special just cause they listen to underground artists, doubly so when they call others NPCs or basic for listening to music thats popular.
Yeah man, i love small artists but the big dudes also put out some bangers
I mean… you’re wrong
Can you tell me how is he wrong I am just curious
@@Huhuhyhhyh for me personally i don't even use Spotify or any music streaming app.. i rely on mp3 and word of mouth so basically EVERTHING he said was based on assumptions that were straight up not true... Also he doesn't consider anyone who doesn't listen to anything made by non-westren/non-american musicians so the whole thing about Spotify/college kids determining our music taste is just plain wrong
@ but most people use apps for music and I agree about the college kids there are bigger cities with a higher population but the algorithm controls what you listen to for the most part some music comes from word of mouth like you said but when he talks about the big artists he is right for example Taylor swift I personally don’t listen to her music but she has a big fan base so she will be in the algorithm more often than smaller artists
this video feels like it was made for a specific audience that im not a part of
i have so many albums that i love, that i honestly have no idea about the artists, or follow them.
My dad is similar. He listens to Beyoncé but grew up on 70s and 80s rock
Im the same but im just listen single songs of random albums random artist that I heard about somewhere, only one guy I listen and love almost every song from him is eminem I dunno why, but I almost all my life since I herd him I love him, this year I just started listening to rap just rap boombap more specifically i discovered MF doom for me rza, and many many more but still I don't listen to specific alboms just random songs that I like the most, am i alone at that guys?
Sorry for this much random thoughts, really wanted express my feeling in this topic and exercise me English, good rest of the day yall
my trick is I don't use spotify because I dislike it and instead I download every song I want to have on demand. why yes I'm autistic how could you tell?
I hate Spotify and roll my eyes when someone sends me a Spotify link to listen to a song… I’m like.. how do you live like thissss! I love downloading everything cuz you never know when it’s gonna be wiped from the internet (happens much more often than you think) and feels super nice to have things at hand without having to wait till ur on a WiFi connection
@CattleChoirMusic real, I can't afford a phone plan, streaming services are very inconvenient for me. and I don't want to need to make an account just to listen to the full length songs with ads between
I have ended up doing the same. This way one actually possesses the music and it cannot easily be taken away; it has even in my case helped me archive two songs, that might otherwise have been lost for good.
@@CattleChoirMusic because its not that deep
@@CattleChoirMusicdownloading is just too much work and I like to see the album cover of the song it makes me feel good
People go to a concert to hear violin. People go to a metro station for an entirely different reason. Like what…? Also just because I have a specific personality, I don’t hand pick my taste to line up with it. I have an entirely different personality than my music. I don’t understand how this would be true in any way.
We obviously all decided our own music taste. Just cuz they recommend you shit don’t takeaway your ability to decide what you like. I hate this idea that people who litsen to mainstream music are sheep who have been tricked into liking it. Idol culture is nothing new it’s been happening sense the 50s. Don’t feel guilty for participating in trends, like what you like let others do the same.
Agreed, I like this video but the guy who made it sounds like he subconsciously hates mainstream stuff it's a little bit funny ngl
No, you don't decide what you like ever. If you could decide what you like you would like everything and you could enjoy everything.
Same thoughts bro...I like some mainstream and definitiely love some artists who hardly have 100K listeners on Spotify...and I personally picked them because I love their stuff...one of them just so happens to be a new artist that spotify recommended to me and I couldn't be more grateful...is it similar to other stuff that I already like that just so happens to be more mainstream? ...maybe, but that doesn't mean I'm an NPC. It means I decide my own music taste/style that I generally like to listen to. And sometimes Spotify sends crap that I hate, so you know what I do? I just DON'T listen to it! Lol... I know there's people out there who are actually like what this video describes, but I personally don't get it.
@@Narko_Marko I have over 124,000 hours on Apple Music I listen to every genre, jazz rock, metal rap, hip-hop country you name it and I agree with this guy you can like everything. Some people just have specific choices like my brother doesn’t like country music, but we grew up in the same household, listening to it in the car
@@thatweirdguy4749 Has there ever been a song you didn't enjoy, you didn't like? Try to think of one, some desthcore track that's just painful to listen to or perhaps skibidi toiler or something similar which gets on your nerves for some reason.
Think of a single track you dislike, now just choose to like it. You can't, you don't choose what you like, you can get accuustomed to it by exposing yourself to it which after a while makes you like it but as long as there is a single track you still dislike after listening to it, my point stands.
You don't choose what you like, it is written deep inside your subconscious. Like food, babies are born craving only sugar, as you expose them to bitter, salty and sour foods they get accustomed to them and start liking them. This is why it is hard to enjoy spicy food if you are from a culture that doesn't use spices. This is the reason peopel refuse listen to other genres, they don't like it immediately and getting accustomed to it is harder than lidtening to what you already like.
You may disagree with what you think I'm saying but you can't disagree with what I am actually saying.
Jaw is on the floor with that Frank Ocean thing. You have an amazing channel here man. Thank you for your work.
Really appreciate it! Honestly are some crazy loops and beats that never get made into a song, and most of them you can find for free on RUclips
@@theviggythat was a genius trick man. Keep it up
i've heard frank's discography but dust was forgettable for me (at least a lot more than swim good, american wedding, novacane, etc) so makes sense i didn't catch on to it
ive never been scared to listen to obscure artists that no one knows or have recommended me but i can see why some people just stay in their comfort zone ig (im still expanding my music taste specifically rock like i barely know anything about it 😭)
When your personality is a corporate composite of illusory choice.
Taylor Swift or Beyoncé. Coke or Pepsi. Great video! Provokes much thought.
Cool way to describe it, exactly what it feels like
Choice isn't an illusion just because its between corporate things.
@@justintuccimusic when you cant think 4 yourself so you blame external factors for not being brave enough to find yourself (could NEVER be me lmao 🙏)
Idk what the people he’s talking about are doing but I like artists for the people they are and the stories they tell. So yes I chose my music taste
I picked my favourite in the beginning, and not once did I hear a statement that fit. (Prowler in the yard by Pig Destroyer, btw)
Yeah this video only applies to people who solely get their music taste from Tiktok and whatever their peers tell them to listen to
This video only aplies to Spotify users
@@cursedheavy7913I use Spotify. My favorite album of last year was Night Palace by Mount Eerie. He’s pretty popular in online circles but not super mainstream in terms of radio play or streams.
@@cursedheavy7913 no, you can diversify your interests if you listen to Spotify, I don't listen to modern bands because it is all trash but it recommends me lots of music it thinks I'll like
Pig Destroyer very based
This video is geared towards NPCs
fr
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wrong audience reached lol
"People who dont like the same things as me are NPCs, i am a very unique person"
-Another NPC
@@lusks4815 bro this is literally geared towards people who only follow mainstream trends to gain the approval of others, and dont think for themselves. This isn't a gotcha comment on your part bro 😭🙏 this vid is literally geared towards people who act like everyone else
My discover weekly on Spotify is literally only underground artists? Like most of them under 100k listeners, some under 1000. I feel like people listen to pop and popular music in general and that is reflected by their discover weekly.
Same, I love my discovery weekly because of that I discover a lot of stuff, I really love my algorithm it takes literally artists from every genre and artists both mainstream and underground.
@@dinisbastos5806 fr bro, like if you listen to different genres they recommend the best shit.
My music taste is whatever song I found that I like. Whether its a 50’s pop song or some break beat song by some mf on Spotify with only like 200 followers, if it makes my ears tingle, it goes into my liked songs
I genuinely love Taylor Swift and Paris Hilton but also genuinely love Spiritbox, Chelsea Grin, Escuela Grind, and Signs of the Swarm.
But some artists just become much more popular because they are just that good.
honestly i really don't care if the music spotify recommends to me is sponsored or not, what's more important is that i enjoy it, which is what usually happens. I've found many of my now favourite artists/albums through autoplay :)
i didn't choose my favorite album based on my favorite artist, i chose my favorite artist based on my favorite album.
‘You are most likely to listen to music from a specific artist you like’
Has it not always been like that? The only reason that happens is that we feel a sense of security when listening to those artists because we can ensure they will have something we like. Personally, I get really pissed off whenever I am listening to a song I don’t like, hence why I am always on the same artists. And I would say largely we chose these artists because of our taste, and not how commercialised they are. Like if I am being really honest, I had no idea who The Weeknd was till like 2023, and now I listen to his stuff all the time because I enjoy it. Also the reason we normally stick with these artists and don’t drift off is because though these artists are well established, each album has its own sound, theme and story that in some way we can resonate. Now I do agree that more than ever TikTok has a major influence on the success of a song, but we also need to be reminded that not everyone is on TikTok, and now that it seems it is about to get banned, people will base music they like on quality rather than viral trends. Lastly that thing you said about people listening to the Beatles cus it’s trendy and made you cool. Increasingly in the world we live in, I can see more and more people not giving a crap about what people think of their music taste, like me for example. I am a big fan of the big artists of our generation, and if that makes me basic, so be it. People are thinking less of what others think of them and just doing their own thing. I agree when you say that our music taste is more just the artists we like, but I don’t see that as a bad thing. It’s a bad thing for smaller artists, but we need to acknowledge that there have always been smaller artists, both in the times of the Beatles and in the modern times. Every big artist today had to start somewhere, difference is that they made a lasting impact on music that kept them around. They thing about the violinist. I think that’s just more the fact people are always on their phones and we’re going to work. They would not expect a Grammy winning artist right there. Good video, but I don’t agree with everything.
Me watching this as a fan of extreme metal
Yeah this shit aint relevant for us folks
Grew up listening to country music because of my mom. Now I listen to goth, rock, metal, etc. Music taste is definitely a choice.
I mean im pretty much sure that the algorithm didn't lead me to my favorite album which are the only songs the band has made and has 2000 streams.
As a older 'millenial', this video just confuses me. I was into 'discovering' music from the moment I turned into a teenager. I went through my parents records, borrowed cassettes and CDs, listened to the radio... there's so many ways to be active and find new material out there. Why do we allow streaming services with algorithms tell us what we like and who we are - instead of other people out there. Ask people around you. Read reviews. Listen to DJs. It's Just so weird to me what music has become.
@@t_albino Uuuh teenager who uses Spotify and RUclips to listen to music, i actually see the algoritm as a myserious guy who randomly reccomends you stuff and then ypu decide whether you like it or not, Ive met a shit ton of New artists thanks to the funni algorithm just throwing a random song on my face, and more than half of the time it was a completely new genre from a non-mainstream artist that i ended up genuinly enjoying, thats how i ended up loving Bossa Nova and Jazz Fusion (Masayoshi Takanka, Lisa Ono, Jobin, CASIOPEA, etc.)
Tbh these artists could have been perfectly just not been my taste and i could simple not continue listening to 'em, I also get to know new music from friends and its the same thing qith the differencr that they human and i get commentary along with it, Also the radio just has mainstream music these days and its very unlikely that a kiddo or just a person in general these days can find any form of physical media unless they bought it themselves to support an artist they already liked. But thats just my opinion
Idk man, i have many favorite albums made by artists who barely have 2000 monthly spotify listeners, i just like to explore music and find hidden gems.
When i pick music I mostly choose random songs I found on the internet. But I will say 30% of my picks are from a dude named Creo, so yeah I sometimes find music enjoyable when it's from an artist I know.
Maan, really great artist, I love creo
absolutely incredible that the album i put on the square is made by a tiny indie band i fell in love with on first listen
Me too, I think this guy's completely wrong
I actually found my favorite artist of the year without knowing who they were. I had no idea what they would sound like, nor what genre they were. I just saw some vague looking album art and gave it a listen. This is how I usually find some of my favorite artists and music.
Edit: The artist/band I was talking about Disembodied Tyrant / Synesthia with their “The Poetic Edda” EP, go check em out and give them some love
Oh heard of that. Symphonic deathcore I am pretty sure. Might properly check it out for myself as I do like technical and heavy stuff
My favorite last year was suggested to me by my friend and I loved it. He has not a lot of music and just made his first album so it's really nice listening to something small because they put more feeling into it
i feel like this video is geared towards npcs or people who dont LOVE music.. anyways TPE is fantastic! found DT and fell in love with em, cant wait for what else they put out
I don’t listen to music for the artist, I usually only listen to one or two songs by each artist I like, very rarely I actually like everything a artist puts out
Fr, even i don't like all of my favorite artists songs (eminem) i skip a few of his songs because they aren't what I like. But I still love a lot of his music.
Never mind I thought this video was about how childhood and environmental factors and other stuff affects your music taste. Also the experiment is really stupid if you stopped and think about it for more than 5 seconds. 7:00 is that not how radio used to work? I don’t get it what’s the point of that line?
I feel like most ppl watching this listen to music more than the average person. This vid definitely is for most non music ppl tho.
I simply disagree with a lot of things stated in this video.
I literally have 0 favorite songs made by an artist that many people know. Usually they’re only very small artists, and I hate a lot of big name artists. I’m not completely opposed to it, but a lot of them just have a certain sound to them that I’ve never understood the “universal appeal” of
Whatever goes viral or tiktok? My man I never even had tiktok installed. My music taste is quite common. David Bowie, Talking heads, Ozzy Osbourne, Elvis, Queen and almost every single big band or musician frok 60s to 90s
0:15 I know no albums from this year.
6:16 I didn't expect the Village People to be banned for "violence."
"In The Navy"
@@nondescriptcat5620 What I mean is that I would expect "homosexuality" to be anyone's #1 concern when it comes to them lol
This video reached the wrong audience....... lol
Again i love these type of videos where i listen to the things i understand but can’t explain on my own
The amount of assumptions is craazzyyy
I don’t really feel called out at all, I don’t hav tik tok and rarely tough a song was interesting because of a trend.
My favorite album isn’t even from this year, I didn’t listen to a 2024 album at all. Anywho, the violin case, the type of music he’s playing is very niche… and in a public space where people have to go.
If it was MJ maybe I’d get it but it’s a random violinist who may be very much popular in his genre but won’t to the average John Doe.
As a metal listener, this video made me realize how lucky I am to like metal and not mainstream
Amen, dude.
Satanic Warmaster. Gorgoroth. Nunslaughter. Void Meditation Cult... I could go on. Viggy lost me with the WAPO quote.
Ah yes, the two music genres. Metal and mainstream
@@akooatic bro you know what I meant
@ no, no i don't. genre and popularity are entirely different matters, that aren't necessarily linked in any way
average joes get their music chosen for them, but for the people who actually care about music choose it themselves because they put in effort to find what they like.
Someone gets it
this is why i love music, there's so much music to unfold and listen to
4:55 I love buying albums and downloading music grrrrr im like a gnome who collects music he finds along the way
Big artists are more reliable. But not always. That doesn't mean much tho. There is always so many options. And there is also the social factor to take into account. Liking obscure music isn't a flex people seem to think it is. There is value in not being so weird you are unapproachable. Also, genres exist.. There is not "unmusical music". It is not a thing. There are just different ways music can be musical. That is the point of genres.
I don’t understand why everyone says “liking obscure music isn’t a flex” people like what they like man.
i think it's not social pressure as much as it is social cohesion to a certain extent. People who are "normal" get to hang around mainstream social circles that will easily shape their musical preferences
I feel like I listen to a good mix of obscure and more popular music.
Well i think for me, I listen to the songs that i like. I listen to the ones that i like sonically. If i like an artist ill try out their music and if it's not my style, ill just listen to the ones that i like. And that's what I've been doing.
Like I didn't know Play Date and Pacify Her was made by Melanie Martinez, I didn't even know who she was. But when her single DEATH dropped and it somehow popped up in my fyp and that was my first time listening to her as an artist not just a song, I really liked it and tried her other musics and it suit my style of music so she's now one of my favorite artist.
And I heard 'Fictional' by Khloe Rose, it was good so i tried her songs and it was my style of music so I also like her songs.
So I think I can pretty much say I listen to my style of music. My favorite genre is Pop and other alternatives so that's what i listen to. Songs gets found and with that i discover the artist and their artwork. I think exposure plays a very important role here.
watching this as a vocaloid fan
Jokes on you I use Apple Music
2:20 only ever heard of one of them
3:20 what if im not an npc?
Tbh I do listen to the same stuff on repeat and go from there, but most of it was released over a decade ago
"It's pretty much garunteed that your favourite album of the year was made by a big name artist" Damn didn't know Ingested were as popular as Taylor Swift
Exactly 😭 I mostly listen to old singer-songwriter music from Spain or smth… none of their albums came this year and or did my favorite.
i mostly listen to skramz and “ug rap” , I think this video is for the masses tho XD
I didn't even listen to a album from this year and my fav album from last year is from a small chinese(?) vocaloid producer that the artist only appears as "Hatsune Miku" and "Xin Hua" (its another vocaloid). But i actually picked up a album from my fav band released in 2020 and none of the songs has 1 million streams, and they only have 1 with atleast that but it's from 2007
I didn’t know people would do this. I thought we could just appreciate art as it’s found! I personally listen to a lot of underground things. Life’s too short to confitm
about listening to artist from certain genres, i actually did listen to a lot of artists from the genre and just listened to their most popular/acclaimed album. couple years back i was interested in listening to metalcore, since i already listen to modern bands like boundaries, i wanted to further familiarize myself with the genre. so i went to search prominent metalcore bands from each era (i.e. “earth crisis” from the early years, “poison the well” from when the genre was booming, etc). i find it fun and refreshing to keep listening to new bands and figure out how i would fit them in my playlists and just the satisfaction of finding new bands to enjoy
I have way too many dubstep songs in my library
Idk man, I travel the seven seas for my music, and browse music sites like Rate Your Music to find new music. I don't use social media or streaming services at all. My music taste is my own choice.
That being said, My Bloody Valentine's Loveless and Slowdive's Souvlaki were fighting to be on that square. A lot of my favorite albums are from small indie shoegaze bands.
These type of people who only listen to an artist just to be cool or they heard it on tiktok are the reason why these concerts of ARTISTS I LOVE that i have gone to are so boring. I want to connect with people with similar tastes. Just to find load and loads of people who don't care about the artist or their other music, other than their hits. I ask them about what's their favorite band and what they like about the genre, and they just look at me like a weirdo. I really don't care about how you found an artist. Just don't pretend to like the artist or the genre, if you only listen to a few songs from them.
I'm really passionate about music, and I really hate what spotify and greedy corpos have done to it.
i agree with the sentiment here but i wouldnt really consider my bloody valentine or slowdive small or indie as they both are pretty big names and both were signed to creation (owned by sony)
@@porcelaein I'm aware of that, MBV driving them to near bankruptcy with Loveless, and Slowdive getting bullied away when they dropped Souvlaki. I was just saying that most of my taste are from smaller bands.
I regard those two as "small" because of how many people I encountered that don't know who they are. Most of the time I talk to someone about alt rock, they seem to have never heard of Slowdive or MBV, or shoegaze in general. When they do, its just the hits as I said. I'd be rich if I had a penny every time someone said "When the Sun Hits" or "When You Sleep" as their favorite Slowdive or MBV track. Never heard "Alison" or "Only Shallow" at least once. They're amazing tracks, don't get me wrong. Hell, "When The Sun Hits" is my favorite song of all time. But they say answer me like it's the most boring thing they ever heard.
But I do see how you can say they're big though. They're pretty known on the internet. Their albums are regarded as a must listen by many. They got millions of listens on their music. Their shows are pretty packed, literally missed the ticket sale for the MBV show in Dublin. Slowdive ending up being the biggest shoegaze band despite getting bullied away is pure poetic justice. As much as I love Souvlaki and Slowdive, they might influenced people to make watered down shoegaze though. Really wish modern shoegaze had that dirty abrasive feel Loveless has and sprinkled a bit in Souvlaki, which made them the best shoegaze albums ever. Kevin Shields and the rest of MBV getting hearing lost from recording Loveless is all you need to know how abrasive shoegaze should be.
I'm with you on using RYM as a place to find new music. But even that place has inherent bias towards certain kinds of music. Most artistic and rock leaning. Excludes lots of Classical, Jazz, Reggae, World music and even Certain strands of R&B and Pop. So while you may be picking your own album to listen to like MBV and Slowdive, its not necessarily YOUR music taste, it's the consensus music taste of certain people who find them self on a site like RYM. I compare the RYM movies side to Letterboxd and how vastly different the ratings are on each site, how RYM is more critical and Letterboxed is far more positive and RYM is a lot less popular than Letterboxd is. I think the popularity affects the stats and what is considered great. Since RYM is filled with people who are into more experimental type music and film and then the general population is into more accessible music and film. It taints the picture of what the real consensus is. I always imagine what RYM charts would be like if it was as popular as Letterboxd, and I'm honestly happy it isn't because I really love a lot of the music that is loved on RYM.
Tldr I'm basically saying that RYM has a demographic and a certain audience. Just like finding music on TikTok, or finding music on Spotify or RYM. It really just depends.
Sorry that was so long
1:46 the favorite album of this year I thought of was from a new band and that album is the only thing they have aside from a couple singles off that release
Bro is onto NOTHING 🗣️🗣️🗣️
5:30 I like music that sounds good, I’m not a fucking poser.
0:05 linkin park - from zero
I just listen to music that I like and that sounds good for me and I feel connected to.
i don't stream my music; CDs FORLIFE 🔥🔥🔥
Nice, you only listen to 10 albums then for sure because you couldn't find or afford more you like
@@novactic-s9k Truth be told I've been collecting since '08 so I got a reasonably sized collection goin. Thanks for your concern!
I started collecting CDs several years ago, too. I Just Love to have the physical Copy of an Album, Nobody can delete the Song on Spotify or somewhere Else. Also, I'm looking for specific rare Stuff Like Demos or albums such unknown that even a Google Search won't Bring Up many Results (other than Discogs)😅 @@CrawlingToYouOn1MillionLegs
2:27 goodie greep has one album and he is not my favorite artist
Found this comment by accident
Agree
I'm greeping
Dude i was thinking the same, greepy...
5:40, bro the USSR collapsed in 1991, I think you meant Russia
Dawg I’m Mexican and most I hear is Mexican music, and guess who I chose? an American artist which I listened to willingly on the first try, despite barely hearing their music.
As someone who listens to Stray kids for more than a year, I think I dont have this problem .Kpop is for some reasons very hated so I dont listen what other people say because I enjoy while lisening.
I do agree. My brother definitely influenced my music taste. He would play his songs, and I'd usually be by him. Then, I basically explored the genre. Its basically kinda like a way less intense peer pressure. This really opened my eyes to realize how my music taste evolved from one person. Good video btw!
If your wondering which genre he influenced me in, Alternative. He introduced me to people like Weezer, Modest Mouse, etc.
This comment section is so negative, so I really hate to disagree. This video definitely seemed geared towards the people who put on their Spotify daily playlist or whatever and “listen” to it while doing dishes, never giving it a thought. I think it’s more so a symptom of the passive entertainment age we’re getting into. People don’t sit in their bed and just experience an album, they put a playlist on while they’re doing something else. That’s fine, music doesn’t have to be an integral part of everyone’s life, but the personal perspective he was going for seemed to make some assumptions. Most of the music I listen to is from word of mouth or filtering from an artist I already know. Because of that I don’t feel like my taste is being constructed by a Spotify algorithm. The point on basing genres on your perception of self/who you want to be seemed pretty valid though
Oh noooo, would I do without spotify?
Anyway time to listen to my music on fuckn youtube >:]
Bro is saying NOTHING🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
When i started listening to hip hop, the youtube media repeatedly pushed the narrative that eminem is overrated and kanye west, though has good albums isnt really a good guy and just scouts samples with lame verses in his music. But when i decided to forget their popular songs and listen to their whole discography to see if its actually the case, i instantly started to like both the artists more and right now, those two are the only artists i mostly listen to. So i guess i did have some choice, lot of others just follow the band wagon.
The “sample merchant” Kanye take is something I haven’t heard in years, I didn’t know people still held that philosophy
kanye has one of the best discographies of all time, if someone says he’s “overrated” it’s because they never listened to his old discography
This was super interesting but l’m surprised to hear that people would choose music that way. There’s no artist that has a 'no skips' discography for me and my favorite albums are not that popular/by artists that I see getting promoted much. I can like one song by an artist because it’s a music style I like while not enjoying anything else on that album.
The world never forced me to listen to In The Hall Of The Aneurysm King, but I do anyway. Video invalid.
2:02 whoooo linkin paaaaaaarrrrk
also foo fighters
This was made a year ago lol.
This was a interesting video
Do you agree or if not is there anything off?
@@theviggyI agree
3:22 “its guaranteed that your favorite album was made by a big artist” uhh… that’s so wrong,, I picked AJR, which yes, they do have lots of listeners, however when I chose them as my favorite band, I did it because I liked the music, NOT because I liked the followers or whatever.. I didn’t care who wrote the song at the time I first started listening to them, I just liked it without knowing how many followers or smth they had.
I got in this video thinking you would change my mind. But since I usually listen to underrated stuff it dosen't really apply to me. Im happy atleast tho.
well never see me again is also one of kanyes best songs. its a fucking suicide note u completely missed that point
its not
The violonist thing is so stupid. Did people really expect regular people to appreciate or even have the capacity to acknowledge a mastery of an old ass instrument no one even listens to?
Plenty of people listen to classical music, and violins are used all the time in popular music. I agree it’s stupid though because almost no one can just recognize a Stradivarius instrument like that, plus those people were all on the move anyway.
@tenzinsmith lol
Chaser by Femtanyl.
you get it
Feedbacker by Boris at last
@@MetalMustBleed you get it even more
All your base are belong to ME by Reizoko Cj
@@MetalMustBleed Narrow Head - Fine Day
i've not heard any albums from this year 🗣️
Yea this dude definitely makes some shitty music he wants us to listen to 😭
Luckily I found my music form Reddit
bro sounds like easy, acually
I love how this video was geared towards NPCs who listen to slopular music but instead it found NPCs who think listening to obscure music makes them special.
Nailed it
this take is so stupid 😭😭 3:20 'it's pretty much guaranteed that your favorite album was made by a big name artist whose songs get millions of streams' 😭 bruh what??? my favorite album is not even on spotify💀💀 this dude is just talking up his ass lmao
This video is probably meant for broader audiences but I personally don't discover my music through Spotify playlists or recommendations. I tend to just go down a niche genre rabbithole full of smaller artists. And to ask what influences me choosing said genre is too deep of a question to ask.
So you are telling me it wasn't my fault that I lost all my friends because I liked Hatsune Miku?
i thought i was going insane by believing in this, ive seen some INSANE levels of popularity bias, and i just cant stand it, i dont have a favorite artist let alone a favorite album because i listen to very choice picks from several artists that dont represent the artists entire repertoire. but then i see others around me make arguments for their favorite artists like "no one could make it like they do" even though thats a very rare thing to happen. its not a polarizing issue, but its still annoying that people disregard music because it isnt famous or isnt associated with one of their favorite artists.
Crazy how I just found out that my method of listening to a song and really analizing if I really like it has prevent me from almost every point of your video, and is even more crazy that I knew things were this way.
My favorite album could be sempiternal by BMTH, or Take me back to eden by Sleep token, but I can identify some song that I don't like on those albums. With other bands or artist I always listen to the song and go, "Mmmm this isn't my thing" or "yeah I liked that part, maybe I could listen to it a little more", Marshmello could be a good example, I used to love his music but it became repetitive, just like alan walker, making me don't wanting to listen to them or listen very less than before. Asking alexandria realeased 2 albums that have good music and I like a lot of them, but not enough to be listening to them all day like the oldest ones.
A small artist like powfu is releasing music good so I have it in my playlist. Inzo is also kinda crazy with his music making my mind go beyond the clouds. Findlay is an small artist with a beautiful voice and I like her.
Those are some examples of what I said in my firs paragraph, I think the best way of leaving this manipulation of the big labels is judging the music, not the artist, Taylor swift releases repetitive albums and song everytime, but maybe one day she will release something that could caught my attention, maybe cus is a different tipe of song, or has a more well production, I don't know, but thats the fun part, thats the way of not getting tired of music and always find good stuff to listen to
When D4vd releases an album I'll have that shi on repeat
I mostly listen to underground or indie artists and genres like in the hyperpop, scene or anything similar. I also listen to quite a few indie rock bands. The other day i showed my friend this artist named blxty and he told me that the reason I dont listen to mainstream music is because i want to be "different" but imo music these days gets way too repetitive so for me its hard to listen to the same few artist everyday. Or even stick with the same genres.