Ignore the idiots and haters Todd, anybody who actually rides or has ridden a kick only bike knows how temperamental they can be. Especially a mag machine that is not properly tuned. Cool machine.
JKDROB worn out carburetors and shitty carbs only run like this. I’ve never owned a chopper but I’ve had a lot of experience with bullshit carburetors on the countless dirtbikes I’ve had. Now I ride a crf250l that’s fuel injected and electric start and I’ll never look back.
All my race bikes were kick start. Cold maybe 3-5 kicks. warm, first kick. Just dropped it, first kick.. This isnt a kick only thing, this is a shitbox thing. Ive pulled a bike out of the river and had less trouble starting it.
@@samblack5313 She needs to be tuned up for sure but the fact that it is a kicker with magneto makes it a hard starter too if the tuning is lightly off.
JKDROB Poor design, outdated, time to let it go. Or use tech at your disposal to make it more reliable. Why not add a starter motor? Or a better ignition system? Or both??? Surely people would prefer to ride it than fight the endless crusade of starting the fkn thing?!
I have an old shovel, rolled up at a bar used to be called Antoinette's in KC about 2 in the morning, had to be 60 bikes there that night, come closing time at 3, I went out with the big crowd to leave and some guy said let's see how long it takes this guy to get that thang going, I was the only one riding old shovel and the only on the kick-start only, but I had no worries, I had only been there for an hour and I knew it was going to fire on the first kick, she did, wawpa! Blue flames, I got cheered by the hole dam krowd! Coolest day ever, I hoped on rapped out more blue flames out them upswept drag pipes put her in gear then did a somersault over the handlebars because I forgot I put a padlock on the front brake rotor, I went from hero to zero in 2 seconds flat lol" I just got up took a bow stand the bike up took the lock off fire her back up and got another staggering ovation or at least the bad ass kick start shovel did.
Yeah. . I remember that '76 FXE. I had to be taught how to start it. After that it was a breeze. . unless I had a fouled plug. . timing was off, points were dirty other than that. . second or third kick she started!
Cyclesinc when you were young calling bobber's choppers (I see lots of young guys today doing that, or, calling them bobber choppers, the old guys who bobbed their bikes 15 years prior to you getting a bike didn't correct you and your friends. I always try to educate the young guys, before long, they become the old guys, like us. I recall all too well being 19 and not knowing how to kick my Panhead and one of the older guys in his 30's rode with me for a day until I learned to kickstart properly. Pay it forward they call it now
+HuntingHarleys I came into the motorcycle scene just before the big racked frame fad. We called them Choppers never Bobbers. When the raked frame fad hit we still called them Choppers. If we needed to distinguish the two we said Raked Chopper or Not Rake or Stock Raked Chopper. We measured rakes in inches not degrees 3/4",1/2", 1/4" etc. I'm not talking me and my little group of friends (in reality not so little) that somehow got it wrong. I’m talking thousands of people I have come across then and now and specially then that the Chopper scene was so heavy. I don’t need to dig up any old books or magazines to look dates for this stuff. It’s in my brain. I can’t tell you when the word Chopper first came into use. But I can tell you it was before the big raked scene. Below is a link to an article by Sugar Bear that was on the scene before either one of us and I’m sure he knows more about this crap than we do. He lived it before us. www.streetchopperweb.com/sugar-bear-choppers-chops-and-bobbers-busted-knuckles
+CyclesInc we'll, I've been around a little bit, traveled extensively around the USA into every state and every major city and owned roughly 10,000 Harley's.; not to mention customers from around the world. 36 years is not quite as long as you've been around, but it is long enough, as your generation schooled me when I was still a teenager. Your the very 1st old timer (as that is what we are now), who has ever said so, whom I've met and had this conversation with.
+HuntingHarleys I know you know you shit and I'm not trying to take anything away from you. I would't even dream of trying to match your knowledge on antiques. In your own words if we think we know everything we know nothing. You see things like this all the time. I saw items in Palmer's book that were incorrect as you have. I know because of handling some of these parts. Not because I'm an antique MC expert. Engines and machining is another matter.Through the years I have seen incorrect information in magazines and the internet. Customers come into my shop and I can tell where they got the info. I recently saw something on Top Documentary on You Tube and the history date on one of their important events is off by five years. And the facts are also incorrect. I’m sure this will eventually spread into Wikipedia and other documentary articles that will pop up on the internet in the future. I know they are wrong because I was there. Facts sometimes get diluted and scrambled and when someone sees them in a magazine/book/internet they become facts in error. And the error gets spread. Before long people think the truth is wrong. And I believe this is one of those. I see you yourself trying correct some of these errors. Did you read Sugar Bears input? He was there and into this before we were. Nothing beats being there.
+CyclesInc I have not, I do know he was there. As with all slang, what is correct is based upon ones experiences and those they are around. The same term on one coast can mean something entirely different on another coast, or, especially, another country.
+HuntingHarleys Another subject I see getting muddled up out there is suicide Clutch and Jockey Shift even Tank Shift. A lot of people call a Rocker Clutch and everything else Suicide. The only Suicide is the clutch pedal if it's spring loaded and it engages when your foot comes of the pedal.
Heck yeah man. Love those old bikes. So cool to think about someone back in the 50s rolling that thing stock off the dealer lot. Vintage stuff is so interesting.
I love that bike. I remember people who owned bikes like that back in the 1970s. Every morning my neighbor rode his to work in summer. At 8:00 in the morning there was this loud FRRRRAAAAMP! and this raked-out bike would roar up the street. It was all young men who owned them back then.
Roadghost88 same here from england!!, my neighbours loved the sound of a 1960s triumph ,with open pipes, in the early hours, ..well, they never actually admitted it, but i know, deep down, secretly, they did lol!!!
I can appreciate this, having grown up in Berdoo, having ridden Honda Mini-Trails in '68, played piano at age 16 at HA parties, and bought/ridden every freaking bike on earth since, but just now on the verge of needing open heart surgery, and after 7 spinal fusion surgeries, at age 63, I DON'T WANT TO FREAKING DIE JUST STARTING A FREAKING BIKE!!! Lol
THAT is the style I grew up and fell in LOVE with. There are 2 Bikes I want to "update" using newer engines. An Old School Trumph Chopper and a Harley Bobber in this style.
My brother that past away a few years ago..was e hell of mechanic..he could tune those old motors to start first or second kick..no problem.. especially older sportys..
Thanks for the imput. I made this video for a customer who wanted to see the bike run. It is no longer mine now. Unfortunately, the mechanic I brought it to did not "ungum" the carb properly and this is what gave me fits in starting it. it just was not getting fuel properly to make it easy to start.
Back in 1986 there was this mexican dude with a Panhead chopper. He would kick start it ten times, step back a few feet and stare at the bike for a moment. Then he would kick start it ten times, step back a few feet and stare at the bike for a moment. Then he would kick start it ten times, step back a few feet and stare at the bike for a moment. It's 2019 and some say to this day he's still kick starting it ten times, stepping back a few feet and staring at the bike for a moment.
mixing of the two styles of build has given rise to the common modern term chopper bobber. When bobber's originated in the 1930's, they came from a prior movement called a cutdown. These were built from JD's and involved shortening the frame which because of the nature of the JD, also involved shortening the gas tanks (usually).
Hey Todd, no worries! I know what you meant. Today's world with the information being "so easy" to get makes for a new generation of "experts" in those terms (Bobber / Chopper). You got my idea as i got yours (no mater how long the forks were). Your explanation of the terms in the video are a perfect baseline to distinguish the "Bobbers" vs "Choppers"! Keep it up! All the best David
I also forgot to mention, stock 4 inch extended factory forks are not new. This was done on ALL XA and desert WLA models. They came with a factory 4 inch over stock springer. Since you could of bought these forks easily in the 1940's - 1980's, I personally don't view a 4 inch "extension" as a chopper as it still falls into a potentially stock fork length.
It's nice little motorcycle, Todd. New owner is lucky to have it! I never cared for mags. Maybe one day I'll take one apart and have the magnets re-magnetized so it will be up to snuff. Yeah, the carb was obviously not performing right, either... Love those rattly throwout bearings! lol
Hey hunting. I just landed a repop pan. Its got std cases and std heads with single plug. It is a beautiful set up. My question to you is this. It has what I think is a points setup. What makes one ignition system better than another. I mean if the mag gives people fits as it seems to be giving this bike why have it?
1954 saw three dramatic changes in the year. 3 different heads, two different frames (early is wishbone and late is straight leg). early bikes had a horn by the front crash bar and later took the trumpet. HD and every company, even today, puts on later, or earlier, parts during change overs as stocks run out. They don't stop production waiting on the one part that ran out. Unless you have day of sale photo's, you cannot be certain what came on what bike. Only what is on it when you find it.
That bike would be great with an electric starter and battery. I am an old fart. I had a 56 pan but a distributor and standard carberator, therefore mine stated easy. However mine was not as compact or maybe as powerful. The other thing, it is important to know and ride your bike. Nice example
I woupd never want electric start on such a pure thoroughbread machine. Only reason harley was ever cool os because of the old school stuff from when men were men.
Actually, 1957 was the last year production of the rigid frame Panheads. The '58 Duo Glide was the first Panhead to get the Swingarm suspension. Athough I agree that '54's are pretty rare. Great looking Pan though! Thanks for the video!
It is important to realize that these bikes were chopped when Panhead's were still manufactured by Harley. Things like electronic ignition systems were not available. At one point in time, a magneto ignition added a hotter spark then what was otherwise available and were common for anyone wanting to add a little more power to their ride. Thus, choppers guys, and factory racers, used them. Today, 2012, these magnetos are no longer new. Magnets loose their magnetism over time.
It seems you guys have an abundance of very cool bikes where you are.(california ?) Up here in toronto canada it is very rare to see a nice old school bike. I'm really enjoying the vids and appreciate the time you take to teach the viewers something about them cheers
I had a 1953 panhead. The way I use to start it was, 2 or 3 kicks with the ignition off then turn the ignition on and it would usually fire up after 1 or 2 kicks. If it didn't, then it could take up to 10 or 20 kicks to get it going.
brings back memories, had a 49 pan with a hunt magneto no battery, over time depending on how much you ride the shaft and mag head wear and develop play, it fucks with timing there's a way around it but I just went back to distributer and battery, made kicking a lot easier, timing and running better
Living at the beach in San Diego was crazy starting my Pan. Night air / day air winter, summer drove me nuts! And I was 275 lbs. Now days 98 Blockhead and Kickers are for Kids. But cool thing was, the bike was always handed off to one of the crew.
electronic ignitions won't kick start without a special electronic ignition that will allow that. The reason is most of them require to revolutions of the motor prior to actually sparking the plugs
Hey... it seems that the injections on the carb is not right... have a look to it and also check the acceleration screw on left hand side of the S&S carb... Had the same problem with a 1985 FXSB low rider kick start... Mine now works nice... it took me little while to find the fault.. but i learn enough to start the bike without trouble and knowing why it did not start in past days..!
During the time I made this video, I was selling around 30 plus bikes a month. THAT means I have 30 plus bikes being worked on. I obviously cannot find and work on and transport myself 30 bikes a month. The man who did the tune up, Larry Suttle, took money for the tune up, and didn't do the work. This later on resulted in my pulling all my machines out and taking them to another shop for work. HD made straight leg frames late 1954 - 1957. I have had original paints all these years, more then just a few of them. There are videos of a few of these on my channel, including my OP 54 with a straight leg frame. I never edited these videos, lack of time and tech. So when you work this much, you make goofs. If I make a flub video, these are ALWAYS the most popular. Go figure that one out.
technically, you are correct. This "extended fork" popularity is why HD brought out the Willie G designed FXS Lowrider in 1977 (a factory 4 inch over stock extension) and the FXWG in 1980, another factory 4 inch over stock machine. When the factory itself puts out stock bikes with an extended fork, one can no longer rely on the 'extension makes a chopper' definition. While I am rather young to have actually chopped stock Knuckle's and Pan's,..
That's a real Man's bike right there. However, growing up my buddy's aunt had a pearl white 54 pan, and she weighted all of 120lbs. She would kick it with two feet,and fire it up,and shepimp away. So cool!
The reason I asked if it's the original front end is it looks longer than stock and looks like it has more rake than stock. I love the way this bike looks, just want to get a little more info about it. P.S. I love your videos, I just recently started watching them, and I think there great.
Mike Baxter this bike has a slight stretch to the fork legs of the frame and roughly a 6 inch over fork. I did not build it, so the exact figures I am guessing
I was waiting for it to fall off the sidestand. Nice bike though. I ride an XT500 & old BSA so I've got the knack of kickstarting, (& a scar from kickback !)
Oh yeah that's a beautiful bike. I'm currently on a 2007 electric glide ultra classic but I am looking to get a hold of a nice older bike again Harley Davidson of course, maybe a pan or shovel my last old bobber. And yes it was a bobber not a chop chop. Was a 48 pan-shovel jockey shift four speed trans. S&S super g carb 6over mid glide front end duel front break's open belt and rear belt. 10in risers with 2in z-bars
Hi Todd. I've always had Pans. Magnetos too. I also run Linkert carbs wich, of course have no accelerator pumps. That &S should have some sort of accelerator pump. Even if it is not working, just closing the choke with a few slow kicks will flood it up without ignition. Open the choke & kick it a bit faster,(producing spark),and it should fire up. the spitting out the carb means lean. enricher the idle jet. Hope this helps
One question reguarding the Bobber/Chopper dilema: That frame is stated to not have a "raked" neck, but it does appear to have been raked. The downtubes apear to have been bent back (right in front of the front head pan cover) making the neck lean more thus raking the bike. Even though it has an "unraked" (or unchopped - cut neck gusset + material added), it has more than the original rake. So, is this bike Raked or not, and is it a chopper or Bobber? Really like to see your videos! Keep it up!
I'm 59. Bought my 63 when I was 15 . Still riding it. Have always had a mag on it. Theres a little tweek to your timing, but will always fire right up . Hot or cold. Don't flood it.
At that time, to have a chopper meant to have raked the neck and have an extended fork. Many a new Shovelhead was sold at the dealer that the owner had the dealer put extended fork tubes on his bike, usually 4 or 6 inches overstock, prior to his taking possession of it. This was SO common, that the 1st custom 'stock' bike introduced in 1977, the FXS Lowrider (a mid year introduction), had a 4 inch over stock factory fork tube extension. So now, I ask the question, is the FXS a chopper?
HuntingHarleys ..come on now,Wouldn't extending the forks new from the dealer void the warranty?I think so.I don't think you're old enough to remember what the dealers did back then.
78 fxs ridin dirty here and No Hell no it’s not even close to what I consider a real chopper.. never got the extended forks .. can imagine it would look like today’s “breakout”
This causes more vacuum, which causes the carb to suck more gas. This carb, which I paid to be rebuilt by Larry Suttle, was not rebuilt and was very gummy from old gas. As I had to deliver the machine that day, there was no time to redo Larry's inept workmanship.
I knew a guy and he had 62 Panhead. And when kick-started it it was like a combination lock. You turn the throttle three times, You moved the distributor so these two lines lined up. Then you kicked it a couple times. If it didn't start you cleared it with the ignition off. Then usually it would fire. You got to ride it.
not to be a dick, but the reference's came from a historic perspective. At the time chopper was 1st used in terminology, a chopper had to have a raked neck. IE< a chopped frame. THAT is why they were called chopper's. Bikes like this did not come into use, generally, until around 15 to 20 years after the chopper movement. Think of the bikes from Easy Rider. they were raked, they were chopper's, built by the original chopper builder in LA himself. Mis use of bobber and chopper terms and the...
Todd is their any chance you could do some reviews on later Harley's eg road king or touring hope I've not upset you or insulted you your reviews are brilliant😀
I would like to have an Evo Soft tail that looked similar to this bike. Any recommendations on year or model that would be a good starting point? I don't know if there is a soft tail frame that has a similar rake as this wishbone frame but I really like the stance on this bike.
If the mechanic I had brought this bike to had actually done his job correctly, the bike would of started easy. it is all about the mechanic. All my bikes are no longer serviced by this mechanic because of this 'problem'. Charging for work that is not done or done very badly. His name is Larry Suttle.
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Ignore the idiots and haters Todd, anybody who actually rides or has ridden a kick only bike knows how temperamental they can be. Especially a mag machine that is not properly tuned. Cool machine.
JKDROB worn out carburetors and shitty carbs only run like this. I’ve never owned a chopper but I’ve had a lot of experience with bullshit carburetors on the countless dirtbikes I’ve had. Now I ride a crf250l that’s fuel injected and electric start and I’ll never look back.
All my race bikes were kick start. Cold maybe 3-5 kicks. warm, first kick. Just dropped it, first kick.. This isnt a kick only thing, this is a shitbox thing. Ive pulled a bike out of the river and had less trouble starting it.
@@nicholstop8161 Possibly. Could be a few different things.
@@samblack5313 She needs to be tuned up for sure but the fact that it is a kicker with magneto makes it a hard starter too if the tuning is lightly off.
JKDROB
Poor design, outdated, time to let it go. Or use tech at your disposal to make it more reliable. Why not add a starter motor? Or a better ignition system? Or both???
Surely people would prefer to ride it than fight the endless crusade of starting the fkn thing?!
I only have trouble like that when starting my shovel when people are watching
You've noticed that
Lmao 😂
I have an old shovel, rolled up at a bar used to be called Antoinette's in KC about 2 in the morning, had to be 60 bikes there that night, come closing time at 3, I went out with the big crowd to leave and some guy said let's see how long it takes this guy to get that thang going, I was the only one riding old shovel and the only on the kick-start only, but I had no worries, I had only been there for an hour and I knew it was going to fire on the first kick, she did, wawpa! Blue flames, I got cheered by the hole dam krowd! Coolest day ever, I hoped on rapped out more blue flames out them upswept drag pipes put her in gear then did a somersault over the handlebars because I forgot I put a padlock on the front brake rotor, I went from hero to zero in 2 seconds flat lol" I just got up took a bow stand the bike up took the lock off fire her back up and got another staggering ovation or at least the bad ass kick start shovel did.
Yeah. . I remember that '76 FXE. I had to be taught how to start it. After that it was a breeze. . unless I had a fouled plug. . timing was off, points were dirty other than that. . second or third kick she started!
Looks like a nice bike. Love how each bike has a different starter personality. They can embarrass you or make you look really cool. Sometimes both
This video bring back some old memories for me. When I first started riding motorcycles almost every bike on the market was a Kickstarter bike.
These days kids don't even kick start their mopeds any more! What the f**k happened!?
Cyclesinc when you were young calling bobber's choppers (I see lots of young guys today doing that, or, calling them bobber choppers, the old guys who bobbed their bikes 15 years prior to you getting a bike didn't correct you and your friends. I always try to educate the young guys, before long, they become the old guys, like us. I recall all too well being 19 and not knowing how to kick my Panhead and one of the older guys in his 30's rode with me for a day until I learned to kickstart properly. Pay it forward they call it now
+HuntingHarleys
I came into the motorcycle scene just before the big racked frame fad. We called them Choppers never Bobbers. When the raked frame fad hit we still called them Choppers. If we needed to distinguish the two we said Raked Chopper or Not Rake or Stock Raked Chopper. We measured rakes in inches not degrees 3/4",1/2", 1/4" etc. I'm not talking me and my little group of friends (in reality not so little) that somehow got it wrong. I’m talking thousands of people I have come across then and now and specially then that the Chopper scene was so heavy. I don’t need to dig up any old books or magazines to look dates for this stuff. It’s in my brain. I can’t tell you when the word Chopper first came into use. But I can tell you it was before the big raked scene. Below is a link to an article by Sugar Bear that was on the scene before either one of us and I’m sure he knows more about this crap than we do. He lived it before us. www.streetchopperweb.com/sugar-bear-choppers-chops-and-bobbers-busted-knuckles
+CyclesInc we'll, I've been around a little bit, traveled extensively around the USA into every state and every major city and owned roughly 10,000 Harley's.; not to mention customers from around the world. 36 years is not quite as long as you've been around, but it is long enough, as your generation schooled me when I was still a teenager. Your the very 1st old timer (as that is what we are now), who has ever said so, whom I've met and had this conversation with.
+HuntingHarleys I know you know you shit and I'm not trying to take anything away from you. I would't even dream of trying to match your knowledge on antiques. In your own words if we think we know everything we know nothing. You see things like this all the time. I saw items in Palmer's book that were incorrect as you have. I know because of handling some of these parts. Not because I'm an antique MC expert. Engines and machining is another matter.Through the years I have seen incorrect information in magazines and the internet. Customers come into my shop and I can tell where they got the info. I recently saw something on Top Documentary on You Tube and the history date on one of their important events is off by five years. And the facts are also incorrect. I’m sure this will eventually spread into Wikipedia and other documentary articles that will pop up on the internet in the future. I know they are wrong because I was there. Facts sometimes get diluted and scrambled and when someone sees them in a magazine/book/internet they become facts in error. And the error gets spread. Before long people think the truth is wrong. And I believe this is one of those. I see you yourself trying correct some of these errors. Did you read Sugar Bears input? He was there and into this before we were. Nothing beats being there.
+CyclesInc I have not, I do know he was there. As with all slang, what is correct is based upon ones experiences and those they are around. The same term on one coast can mean something entirely different on another coast, or, especially, another country.
+HuntingHarleys Another subject I see getting muddled up out there is suicide Clutch and Jockey Shift even Tank Shift. A lot of people call a Rocker Clutch and everything else Suicide. The only Suicide is the clutch pedal if it's spring loaded and it engages when your foot comes of the pedal.
Looking forward to. Kicking over my '56 pan newly rebuilt , what fun !!! She's been mine for 34 years !!! Nothing else like a good running PANHEAD !!!
Heck yeah man. Love those old bikes. So cool to think about someone back in the 50s rolling that thing stock off the dealer lot. Vintage stuff is so interesting.
What i really appreciate about these videos is its history of how alot of these choppers were built back in the past.. Cool bike for sure!
Awesome ride, bro.
Reminds me of my '64 Pan chopper, back in '84.
Watching this, still gives me goosebumps.
Keep up the good work !!
that's why so many old school bikers went to prison. they couldn't get away fast enough. lol
He sounded out of breath!
ROLMFAO
@@davidson2004fatboy Rolling On Laughing My Floor Ass Off?
That’s funny.
@@Jooeffoh ROLLING ON LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF !
that is a beautiful bike!!! always LOVED those panheads. the look tough and sound good to boot
I love that bike. I remember people who owned bikes like that back in the 1970s. Every morning my neighbor rode his to work in summer. At 8:00 in the morning there was this loud FRRRRAAAAMP! and this raked-out bike would roar up the street. It was all young men who owned them back then.
Roadghost88 same here from england!!, my neighbours loved the sound of a 1960s triumph ,with open pipes, in the early hours, ..well, they never actually admitted it, but i know, deep down, secretly, they did lol!!!
flooded, shitty
...and on the 4th morning he got his teeth put down his throat. Wake me after nightshift with that shitbox and I'll drop you on principal.
@@sasakolundzija1310
Thanks for the heads up, i'm sure i'll be just fine.
@@samblack5313 brushup on your spelling there, amigo: principle (a homonym to be sure).
@hunting harleys, thanks for these videos, I love learning about these old girls
What a sweet ride ! Love the sound of the older bikes
I can appreciate this, having grown up in Berdoo, having ridden Honda Mini-Trails in '68, played piano at age 16 at HA parties, and bought/ridden every freaking bike on earth since, but just now on the verge of needing open heart surgery, and after 7 spinal fusion surgeries, at age 63, I DON'T WANT TO FREAKING DIE JUST STARTING A FREAKING BIKE!!! Lol
THAT is the style I grew up and fell in LOVE with. There are 2 Bikes I want to "update" using newer engines. An Old School Trumph Chopper and a Harley Bobber in this style.
My brother that past away a few years ago..was e hell of mechanic..he could tune those old motors to start first or second kick..no problem.. especially older sportys..
Badass Bike, been there done that with the kick start. But that's like riding history. So cool
I can smell the gas from here. I used to have a '54 Matchless 500cc twin, loved it
I remember the local 81 riding bikes like this back in the late seventies early eighties coming down the highway amazing sounds
Our old British bikes were the same, each bike had its own personality and very temperamental. That’s a beautiful bike there 👍
1st bike I ever started was a 51 panhead for a close brother..was the beginning of the rest of my life to love riding and motorcycles with a passion
Thanks for the imput. I made this video for a customer who wanted to see the bike run. It is no longer mine now. Unfortunately, the mechanic I brought it to did not "ungum" the carb properly and this is what gave me fits in starting it. it just was not getting fuel properly to make it easy to start.
there is a tremendous variance in value on something like this. costs can range from $5000 - $20,000 or more
Back in 1986 there was this mexican dude with a Panhead chopper.
He would kick start it ten times, step back a few feet and stare at the bike for a moment.
Then he would kick start it ten times, step back a few feet and stare at the bike for a moment.
Then he would kick start it ten times, step back a few feet and stare at the bike for a moment.
It's 2019 and some say to this day he's still kick starting it ten times, stepping back a few feet and staring at the bike for a moment.
Thanks anyhow. And thanks for the great series of videos, time given for them and info shared. Much appreciated and enjoyed.
That's a good looking bike. You came across a lot cool bikes years ago.
@@danielburke4113 they were still in the USA
mixing of the two styles of build has given rise to the common modern term chopper bobber. When bobber's originated in the 1930's, they came from a prior movement called a cutdown. These were built from JD's and involved shortening the frame which because of the nature of the JD, also involved shortening the gas tanks (usually).
One of the best looking bikes I've ever seen.
Hey Todd, no worries! I know what you meant. Today's world with the information being "so easy" to get makes for a new generation of "experts" in those terms (Bobber / Chopper). You got my idea as i got yours (no mater how long the forks were). Your explanation of the terms in the video are a perfect baseline to distinguish the "Bobbers" vs "Choppers"!
Keep it up!
All the best
David
I also forgot to mention, stock 4 inch extended factory forks are not new. This was done on ALL XA and desert WLA models. They came with a factory 4 inch over stock springer. Since you could of bought these forks easily in the 1940's - 1980's, I personally don't view a 4 inch "extension" as a chopper as it still falls into a potentially stock fork length.
I love the look of these old pan head motors; the neatest looking design of them all, IMO.
Pan bobber's tend to go 15 to 35k, 10 is a good shovel bobber price
thanx for price info
huntingharleys: $15K ???? I`ll hire you if you can find a good pan for that.
Had a 48 pan all chopped out...cost me a dollar a cc in 1969...that's 1200.00 bucks worth of fun...
It's nice little motorcycle, Todd. New owner is lucky to have it!
I never cared for mags. Maybe one day I'll take one apart and have the magnets re-magnetized so it will be up to snuff. Yeah, the carb was obviously not performing right, either... Love those rattly throwout bearings! lol
Great looking Panhead...........you sure know where to find 'em, hats off to your forte.....
Hey hunting. I just landed a repop pan. Its got std cases and std heads with single plug. It is a beautiful set up. My question to you is this. It has what I think is a points setup. What makes one ignition system better than another. I mean if the mag gives people fits as it seems to be giving this bike why have it?
when your ready, we do sell bikes. glad you like the vids!
That was great!!!!! ..... thanx for all the videos!!!!!!
1954 saw three dramatic changes in the year. 3 different heads, two different frames (early is wishbone and late is straight leg). early bikes had a horn by the front crash bar and later took the trumpet. HD and every company, even today, puts on later, or earlier, parts during change overs as stocks run out. They don't stop production waiting on the one part that ran out. Unless you have day of sale photo's, you cannot be certain what came on what bike. Only what is on it when you find it.
That bike would be great with an electric starter and battery. I am an old fart.
I had a 56 pan but a distributor and standard carberator, therefore mine stated easy.
However mine was not as compact or maybe as powerful. The other thing, it is important to know and ride your bike.
Nice example
I woupd never want electric start on such a pure thoroughbread machine. Only reason harley was ever cool os because of the old school stuff from when men were men.
Don't buy nothing you can't kick
@@hrbestalkinme3690 well I am 70. So, I guess I am just an old fart.
I can understand completely. glad you enjoy the videos!
Had a 52 pan. No mag but no cartlage in right knee either
You are fitter than me.......Six kick's in and I'm sat on the floor knackered......Awesome bike.
I miss my old kickstart. I think it gave my bike character. Cool video btw
I am in Los Angeles California. Glad you enjoy the videos!
Actually, 1957 was the last year production of the rigid frame Panheads. The '58 Duo Glide was the first Panhead to get the Swingarm suspension. Athough I agree that '54's are pretty rare. Great looking Pan though! Thanks for the video!
i loved the way how you started it. nice work man. i believe that every one should watch your videos. i love them all :)
It is important to realize that these bikes were chopped when Panhead's were still manufactured by Harley. Things like electronic ignition systems were not available. At one point in time, a magneto ignition added a hotter spark then what was otherwise available and were common for anyone wanting to add a little more power to their ride. Thus, choppers guys, and factory racers, used them. Today, 2012, these magnetos are no longer new. Magnets loose their magnetism over time.
I love the sound of that dry clutch with that pan cackle
It seems you guys have an abundance of very cool bikes where you are.(california ?)
Up here in toronto canada it is very rare to see a nice old school bike.
I'm really enjoying the vids and appreciate the time you take to teach the viewers something about them
cheers
I had a 1953 panhead.
The way I use to start it was, 2 or 3 kicks with the ignition off then turn the ignition on and it would usually fire up after 1 or 2 kicks.
If it didn't, then it could take up to 10 or 20 kicks to get it going.
actually, his frame neck is altered. The rake is much larger then stock
I was about to ask that question. It DOES look like too radical a rake for a stock bike. And the forks look like they are a few inches over stock too.
brings back memories, had a 49 pan with a hunt magneto no battery, over time depending on how much you ride the shaft and mag head wear and develop play, it fucks with timing there's a way around it but I just went back to distributer and battery, made kicking a lot easier, timing and running better
Good old Harley Quality,20 kicks and it still dont start up :D
and this is a video showing us how great this water pump is... fark
No KIDDING! It shouldn't take that many kicks to fire! GO BACK AND RE-TUNE IT!!
its the magneto
Yeah, kicking a 65 years old motorcycle, that is quality alright.... :)
Second only to cranks and pull ropes
Living at the beach in San Diego was crazy starting my Pan. Night air / day air winter, summer drove me nuts! And I was 275 lbs. Now days 98 Blockhead and Kickers are for Kids. But cool thing was, the bike was always handed off to one of the crew.
I know this video is old, but I dig that blue paint. Nice Bike!!!
Brings back memories watching you move your left leg out of the way after the kick. I’ve been bit there too. Sweet ride
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electronic ignitions won't kick start without a special electronic ignition that will allow that. The reason is most of them require to revolutions of the motor prior to actually sparking the plugs
Amazing bike and great video, thank you, straight from Russia!!!
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Hey... it seems that the injections on the carb is not right... have a look to it and also check the acceleration screw on left hand side of the S&S carb... Had the same problem with a 1985 FXSB low rider kick start... Mine now works nice... it took me little while to find the fault.. but i learn enough to start the bike without trouble and knowing why it did not start in past days..!
During the time I made this video, I was selling around 30 plus bikes a month. THAT means I have 30 plus bikes being worked on. I obviously cannot find and work on and transport myself 30 bikes a month. The man who did the tune up, Larry Suttle, took money for the tune up, and didn't do the work. This later on resulted in my pulling all my machines out and taking them to another shop for work. HD made straight leg frames late 1954 - 1957. I have had original paints all these years, more then just a few of them. There are videos of a few of these on my channel, including my OP 54 with a straight leg frame. I never edited these videos, lack of time and tech. So when you work this much, you make goofs. If I make a flub video, these are ALWAYS the most popular. Go figure that one out.
Only if your rich, other wise don't buy
Panheads never die.... absolutly great bike..
technically, you are correct. This "extended fork" popularity is why HD brought out the Willie G designed FXS Lowrider in 1977 (a factory 4 inch over stock extension) and the FXWG in 1980, another factory 4 inch over stock machine. When the factory itself puts out stock bikes with an extended fork, one can no longer rely on the 'extension makes a chopper' definition. While I am rather young to have actually chopped stock Knuckle's and Pan's,..
I appreciate your efforts 👍🏾
Did he say the sliders had been shaved? Looks super clean.
That's a real Man's bike right there. However, growing up my buddy's aunt had a pearl white 54 pan, and she weighted all of 120lbs. She would kick it with two feet,and fire it up,and shepimp away. So cool!
This is why i love my 1980 Yamaha xs 850 2 kicks and ur on ur way
yes, that is why you cannot see them on the bottom of the front down tubes, they were cut off
The reason I asked if it's the original front end is it looks longer than stock and looks like it has more rake than stock. I love the way this bike looks, just want to get a little more info about it.
P.S. I love your videos, I just recently started watching them, and I think there great.
Mike Baxter this bike has a slight stretch to the fork legs of the frame and roughly a 6 inch over fork. I did not build it, so the exact figures I am guessing
Never use one of these as a get away vehicle.
Wanna Bet? 25 cases of Beer, sittin on top of the hood of a '76 Buick on a rope tied behind my '58 Panhead. Not a problem.
I miss my magneto bikes. They kept me in shape. lol
Don't kick back ever
I was waiting for it to fall off the sidestand. Nice bike though.
I ride an XT500 & old BSA so I've got the knack of kickstarting, (& a scar from kickback !)
The XT500 has the cheater decompression lever. Just tell nobody about it.
Oh yeah that's a beautiful bike. I'm currently on a 2007 electric glide ultra classic but I am looking to get a hold of a nice older bike again Harley Davidson of course, maybe a pan or shovel my last old bobber. And yes it was a bobber not a chop chop. Was a 48 pan-shovel jockey shift four speed trans. S&S super g carb 6over mid glide front end duel front break's open belt and rear belt. 10in risers with 2in z-bars
Yes, I know, that's me tripping over my own words. Sorry about that
that was due to an improper carb rebuild by the mechanic I just had go through the machine
Hi Todd. I've always had Pans. Magnetos too. I also run Linkert carbs wich, of course have no accelerator pumps. That &S should have some sort of accelerator pump. Even if it is not working, just closing the choke with a few slow kicks will flood it up without ignition. Open the choke & kick it a bit faster,(producing spark),and it should fire up. the spitting out the carb means lean. enricher the idle jet. Hope this helps
what a cool old bike, I'd love to have that bike, but I'm happy with my custom Softail shovelhead.
GLAD YOU LIKE THE VIDS!!
Stupid question here: Why are you turning the magneto? Is it to alter the timing of it?
One question reguarding the Bobber/Chopper dilema: That frame is stated to not have a "raked" neck, but it does appear to have been raked. The downtubes apear to have been bent back (right in front of the front head pan cover) making the neck lean more thus raking the bike. Even though it has an "unraked" (or unchopped - cut neck gusset + material added), it has more than the original rake. So, is this bike Raked or not, and is it a chopper or Bobber?
Really like to see your videos! Keep it up!
I have a 55 FLH with dual linkerts You should try starting this beast.😎 You guys with electric starts don't know Twat your missing.
I'm 59. Bought my 63 when I was 15 . Still riding it. Have always had a mag on it. Theres a little tweek to your timing, but will always fire right up . Hot or cold. Don't flood it.
At that time, to have a chopper meant to have raked the neck and have an extended fork. Many a new Shovelhead was sold at the dealer that the owner had the dealer put extended fork tubes on his bike, usually 4 or 6 inches overstock, prior to his taking possession of it. This was SO common, that the 1st custom 'stock' bike introduced in 1977, the FXS Lowrider (a mid year introduction), had a 4 inch over stock factory fork tube extension. So now, I ask the question, is the FXS a chopper?
HuntingHarleys ..come on now,Wouldn't extending the forks new from the dealer void the warranty?I think so.I don't think you're old enough to remember what the dealers did back then.
78 fxs ridin dirty here and No Hell no it’s not even close to what I consider a real chopper.. never got the extended forks .. can imagine it would look like today’s “breakout”
I'm getting an acid flashback man.
Awesome machine
what are u doing when you cover the carb with your hand? if u have a sec can you explain your technique and reasoning? thanks i dig all your videos
This causes more vacuum, which causes the carb to suck more gas. This carb, which I paid to be rebuilt by Larry Suttle, was not rebuilt and was very gummy from old gas. As I had to deliver the machine that day, there was no time to redo Larry's inept workmanship.
I knew a guy and he had 62 Panhead. And when kick-started it it was like a combination lock.
You turn the throttle three times,
You moved the distributor so these two lines lined up. Then you kicked it a couple times. If it didn't start you cleared it with the ignition off. Then usually it would fire. You got to ride it.
you are the Harley man..no doubt.
you showed it warts and all.
Just frickn awesome! ✊💪✌
Electronic ignition is a life saver, did the conversion on my '71 triumph and never looked back. Sweet ride otherwise
Почему карбюратор в стреляет в воздушный фильтр? Можно это исправить настройкой, или нужен лепестковый клапан?
Brings back A LOT of memories- I remember kicking till my leg felt like it was gonna fall off....Lol
not to be a dick, but the reference's came from a historic perspective. At the time chopper was 1st used in terminology, a chopper had to have a raked neck. IE< a chopped frame. THAT is why they were called chopper's. Bikes like this did not come into use, generally, until around 15 to 20 years after the chopper movement. Think of the bikes from Easy Rider. they were raked, they were chopper's, built by the original chopper builder in LA himself. Mis use of bobber and chopper terms and the...
Beautiful old bike. Love it!!
Todd is their any chance you could do some reviews on later Harley's eg road king or touring hope I've not upset you or insulted you your reviews are brilliant😀
I've no access to those machines
This channel is special
If you look at a old kick start bike if you have it serviced and tuned usually you can get em in 3 kicks ,but out of tune they can and will bite.
It really helps if the mechanic you paid to do the work actually does the work
@@HuntingHarleys most definitely but I wasn't clear on the maintenance.
I would like to have an Evo Soft tail that looked similar to this bike. Any recommendations on year or model that would be a good starting point? I don't know if there is a soft tail frame that has a similar rake as this wishbone frame but I really like the stance on this bike.
1984 or 85 FXST Softtail would be the perfect choice
if the enrichener works properly, it would of started fine like this. The carb was not properly adjusted
If the mechanic I had brought this bike to had actually done his job correctly, the bike would of started easy. it is all about the mechanic. All my bikes are no longer serviced by this mechanic because of this 'problem'. Charging for work that is not done or done very badly. His name is Larry Suttle.