🎥Chapters 0:00 Interview highlight 2:09 What is analytical idealism? ❶ Decoding Jung | Collective Unconscious 4:55 The I Ching and Jung’s preface 7:00 Bernardo’s New Years’ ritual 8:35 Decoding Jung’s metaphysics 11:35 Jung’s collective unconscious (diagram) 13:50 Kids are tripping all the time? Tapping into collective unconscious 18:20 Synchronicities vs. mere chance 20:40 Alan Watts on causality 24:35 Archetypes: Primordial templates 26:50 🔥Jung’s idea of what is the meaning of life ❷ Pay Attention 32:10 How can we be more meta-aware? 36:10 🔥God wants to become man 39:55 🔥Bernardo’s practice: Pay attention to life 42:30 Psychedelics inform your thought? 46:00 Brain scans on psychedelics vs. dreaming (evidence for idealism) 51:45 Parapsychological/psi research… ordinary is amazing 56:25 Angel of forgetfulness, dissociation 57:45 Need to balance meaning-finding? 1:00:20 “Everything has meaning” ❸ Decoding Schopenhauer 1:03:55 We are the universe trying to understand itself 1:06:25 🔥Decoding Schopenhauer’s metaphysics 1:10:50 Was Schopenhauer a pessimist? 1:18:10 Where do Jung & Schopenhauer depart? 1:23:00 🔥Did Jung take psychedelics? 1:27:20 Hypnagogia & psychedelics 1:32:45 “True salvation lies in the denial of will.” 1:37:40 Levels beyond ego-consciousness? ❹ Brief Peaks Beyond 1:40:20 “It is the very economic success of materialism that carries with it the seed of its own destruction.” 1:48:40 Economic materialism & technofeudalism 1:52:20 Where is capitalism going? Universal basic income 1:55:50 One of the biggest errors: Confusing importance for value 1:59:10 Rise of populism relies on failure to recognize human dignity 2:02:10 What’s next from Bernardo?
Excellent topic and discussion! 💡👍 Sharing a related observation: We are in the midst of a growing "narcissism epidemic". Those who suffer from narcissism manifest a self-worth that is heavily reliant on external validation and admiration, making them highly susceptible to a "meaning crisis" when they don't receive the positive feedback or "external stream of validation" they need. A "meaning crisis" can manifest as a "narcissistic collapse," which is a dramatic emotional breakdown when a narcissist feels their self-image is under threat, leading to behaviors like rage, depression, or intense self-pity... I believe Dr. Kastrup went through that phenomenon, and through philosophy and self-contemplation he is progressively transcending that which Grandmaster Eckhart Tolle correctly identifies as "prison of the ego"..
The discussion of Schopenhauer seeming to be pessimistic reminds me of people who say that about Buddhism. The parallel in that regard is incredible including letting go of personal wishes and really seeing life directly removing suffering, which. Is the core of Buddhism.
Very interesting discussion and I wrote many notes (which I won't inflict on everyone), but to mention my experience with psychedelics... After a seriously traumatic childhood I left home at 17 and did LSD a couple of times a week for about a year. Eventually it became non-useful and a little tedious so I stopped. To this day, it was the most transformative greatest effect ever on my mental health. I'm glad I did it. Not for everyone! But I was particularly repressed and had a horrible upbringing.
❤ another wonderful conversation it’s really lovely to hear Bernardo speaking to other people. It really adds to the party of life….. thank you so much both of you.!!!
“Dissociative boundary” reminds me a lot of Alfred North’s Whitehead concept of “incompatibility”, thanks Bernardo for reminding me of such a great thinker who also helps me a lot in understanding and further elucidating your analytical idealism, which is half of what we need as a society to fully integrate all the dissociative boundaries into one, both physically and mentally.
I really like Analytical Idealism and Bernardo Kastrup, and I also like Advaita Vedanta. However, I would like to comment on something unusual: among all the maps of the universe, it is the Kabbalah of the heretic and accursed Sabbatai Zevi, in the metaphysical treatise, that is the most effective because it identified the "Black Light". This Kabbalah of Sabbatai Zevi, which has been improved, makes more sense than the Kabbalah of Isaac Luria because Sabbatai Zevi managed to prove, metaphysically speaking, where Duality originally arose and why the Titanic Wars of complementary Antagonistic Forces exist. The Bhagavad Gita and Advaita Vedanta summarize the entire cosmic drama as the so-called "Leela/Lila", which are the Cosmic Drama and Games of what would be Krishna or Nirguna Brahman. These Titanic wars are described especially in Egyptian, Sumerian/Babylonian, Greek, Norse, etc. mythologies. According to Sabbatai Zevi, such duality arose right in the TzimTzum, and this understanding is fundamental to comprehend the nature of the deities of chaos and darkness that are part of the dialectic with order and light.
Our reality is quite evidently heavily weighted toward relationships and interconnectivity. Consequently, you’d expect there to be a force pushing events towards such experiences.
around the hour mark "pay attention" and the difficulty in the question, because attention span - and not experience so much - reveals truth. If allow and assert are both actions in a series so 2^3 is 8 seconds of attention span. Objectification as 2^2, meditation as 2^1, world as 2^5, and human collective as a chord for the person which returns to C somewhere in right relations with some level of the gradient. Thanks for the show!
What I am about to write might sound very silly but my friend and I used I Ching with hexagram asking question about future in relation to a particular situation. It was more the 30 years ago when I lived in Balkan. The answer to my particular question about leaving Country was like : It would be useful to go over sea. It of cause meant to leave Country. Each question asked produced a very specific answer that look like not to be accidental reply. The most importantly, when I asked the same question again after a few days, I would get the same answer.
@56:29 But without an explanation of psi phenomena, or at the very least its acknowledgment as real, how can one properly explain what reality is? Seems to me psi phenomena sits well within the framework of Bernardo’s idealism and may well be the key to a revolutionary shift in Man’s worldview
Carlos--suggestion: simplify your questions. You try to stake out a position and ask a question at the same time which seems to divide your energies, and you conk out half way through. Just ask simpler questions. That's the skill of the interviewer. "what does analytic idealism contribute to psi" would be a good question, e.g.
@@petersenoji thanks for the advice. So I dislike listening to interviews where it’s question after question, and the host doesn’t in some way respond to what was said. So I’m trying to make this a dialogue. BUT I trip up on my words so often, I get nervous and tongue tied. Just not eloquent enough. So I may have to revert to just simple prewritten questions. Gotta know when you can’t hang.
As a self described blue ray starseed I had to push though years of Narcissistic military people in my family, after I got some of them in check, I married a severe BPD, my current wife, after twenty years of abuse I got her in check, another eight years abuse by narcissistic petty tyrant bosses in relatavely high level corporate world, got them in check. Now I’m chilling waiting for a new adventure, for whatever reason I’m looking for friction with the global subconscious, not getting scared and am getting a kick out of it. Again not sure what’s next but I might be done with the abusers in my life, bosses, colonel parents, wife, all in check, they all saw what they have done. The key was to have them empathize to your emotional trauma. Narcissists communicate via internal archetypes of people in their head, very inflexible. For example Matt is clumsy, Beth is stupid, etc. they create internal archetypes of people , when they talk to you they actually refer to their twisted representation of you in their head. It’s incredibly rigid, my advice, have them understand that they hurt you, at some point when they see it they can’t unsee it, it’s just gonna take twenty years of everyday work and abuse.I never left anyone of my abusive relationships because I have a calling for this shit. Upside is that if you are in the 1% and push through, I recommend people actually leave this relationship, for most the fight is not worth it, the recovered BPD will have mad respect for you, after all is done they will see you for what you are and realize they abused you and the dirty games the played and they will be deeply sorry, make them say sorry verbally multiple times over the years, at first they won’t say it, than they will say it but not believe it, and when they see it, that’s the best feeling in the world, their eye sight changes, they don’t have the reptile abusive stare no more. Last advise and prolly most important, absolutely make sure that you both agree that they are abusers. It’s not easy to have a narcissist agree to that, but when they do, start bringing it up, they will explode and hate that you call them abusers, than you revert to previous agreement remind them that you were hurt and they are the abusers, drive them crazy with this point until tenor motherboard can’t take it.Thousand repetitions of this get the point across, deliver those zingers that hit the bottom of their soul for reflective purposes, be in-tuned to the fear of your partner and their patterns, make it a full time job
As Benardo says "pay attention" is good yet attention can be further explored. Just as a way of exploring our own possibilities of experience, we can say that there are apparently two modes of attention. One mode is receptive or allowing and the other mode is more an active mode and ordinarily is involved with taking a some action. Active attention acts mainly by knowing which is usually based on memory. While receptive attention is more associated with not knowing or slight astonishment and is more free from the structuring of experience from past memory (or past concepts). And we can also say that when our consciousness or mind is powered by a very fine energy such as unconditional love, our attention is balanced as if it were both active and receptive. An experimentation we can play with to explore this is: We know that we can breathe without our intentionally doing it. And we also know we can intentionally breathe. Now see if you can simply witness or feel the coming and going of the breath without interfering with it. To be aware of the felt-sense of the rise and fall of the breath without interfering with the breathing, requires being receptive, or what we are referring to here as "receptive attention". Just as a suggestion we can say that by being open and receptive, if we give it sufficient time, we will be given, little by little, the experience of a global sense of the whole body. With this whole body awareness as a kind of simple presence, we can be open to the breath as it comes and goes on its own. The ways of attention can be seen to be quite subtle. If we can get a sense that it is no longer me breathing but I am being breathed, we will begin to awaken to the subtleties of attention with its apparent active and receptive modes. We may even be able to realize that the two modes can be seen to be one. Remember we are not talking about "things" but experiences and ways of experiencing.
Something I considered myself, but I saw allow/assert actions where allow is an action because within the person this is inference that connects to reality while assert objectifies the person or humanity outside of complex reality. When I view a green plant I see the green is the most truthful, but it's what the plant isn't, while the shape describes the plant relation to the world, and the movement is also relational and somewhat ambiguous, if everything moves. I came up with an object that is a series that moves like a spring with a degree of freedom. So allow and assert as 2, and the series 2^1, 2^2, 2^3 possible action sets which is 8, 2^5 which is 256 as dodecahedron object. A music chord of 8 notes that returns at a higher or lower dimension like a keyboard, where the 8th note for a person is the human collective, and 2^5 is the planet which can be realized thru breathing since the 14 lb/sq inch and diaphragm co-evolve.
I'm pretty sure that's not what Job is about. It's supposed to illustrate that if you hang on to yoir faith through difficult trials then God will restore all you lost and then some. That being said I really dig what he has to say on other topics.
Well, I'm okay with returning to having a transparent lord protecting our village and having land, able to raise a family, with zero waste, but in return for...trash collectors?! Maybe this isn't doable in America, but it's literally in living memory since we lived like this in Europe.
Who or what is reading the dials on 'our' 'dashboard', and is this 'reader' also that which actively/physically - not to omit appropriately (in a fitness maximising/optimising manner) - responds to these readings ??
I love. The way Mr Kastrup thinks, the “ dashboard “ analogy can throw some people off because at first that concept is too alien to us but the way I process it very intuitive to myself For example: my cat sees the stars and the sun and the moon but he can’t have understanding of what they’re and he’s probably much better adapted to nature and the influence of the heavenly bodies but to him they’re just part of the scenery and yet to me they have much more meaning and I assigned to them greatest mysteries so in a way my limits of understanding the reality is my brain as it is the case for my cat , and to form a real picture of the universe in my mind I would need a consciousness far beyond what I have at the time so in a way my limited brain power can only form a limited perception of what the reality of the universe and matter is like And expecting more of my mind wood be illogical. But me and my cat and the spider in the corner of my room are capable of sensing the essence of the things that our mind can not perceive It’s as if we are all connected in a mysterious way and the essence of universe can be sensed by all beings and that’s what makes life interesting because the unknowable and immense universe can become comprehensible in our shared consciousness in the compressed concepts such as the archetypes that are akin to compressed files that our brains can decode at times.
so his mind was already opened as a teenager? didnt he say before that he was a hard nosed engineering materialist until his late 20s? sometimes it sounds as if he changes his background story a bit. like for example in his last interview with jeffrey mishlove he sounded almost as if he denied using psychedelics, when in previous interviews he went into detailed descriptions and explained how profoundly the experiences had changed him.
Yes his mind opened at 14 when he came across Jung. I have never heard him try obfuscate his use of psychedelics. You appear to have misconstrued his words. This is not a criticism. You just haven’t listened to him enough.
@@sxsmith44 well have you listened to his latest interview on new thinking allowed? because that is the only one where he sounds different on the psychedelics for some reason, i will gladly time stamp it for you if you like. also i have listened to probably 30-40 one hour long interviews with him all of which are at least 1 hour long. actually this is how i started to notice some discrepancies, from listening to him so many times. so i would say i have listened to him enough, also read several of his books.
I think Bernardo is confusing causality with correlation, the idea of causality is that if you manipulate a variable in a system, either for real or with a model validated experimentally, certain events will follow such that the antecendent manipulation is the cause of the consequent event. This is different from just inferring causality from mere correlation. for the cat example we cannot speak of cause but of correlation in his example, if we are able to control the cat then we would be causing what we observe. If we have a model of the cat and how it works, in accordance with a model of the physical laws then we would be able to see causality by carrying out a thought experiment. B follows A doesn't imply B is caused by A, I mean it is obvious and thought in basic statistics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
@@boris3866 no doubt he knows but he hasn't applied to the cat example.I think the wikipedia link I posted explains in sufficient detail what I meant by causation(=manipulating A results in B following, rather than simply observing A) and which is clearly not satisfied by Bernardo in the cat example.
As an appendage of God, human life is the most awesome opportunity for me to give meaning to my subjective experience Thank you for the permission and space to share my new and improved gratitude attitude adventure today #1884 on my road trip of Discovery.
36:00 What Bernardo describes here is no less the sacrificial life that God lived through the role model Jesus Christ and ultimately also lives through all of humanity.
24:35 note how BK doesn't actually explain anything and doesn't answer your question, but provides an epistemic blank cheque. all he offers is a robust, maximally general account of metaphysical realism; that reality stance-independently exists, is exactly as it is and not otherwise, in some particular way. he emphasizes that what matters is that reality is such that it's a distinguishably differentially structured informational structure. it's a basic kind of barebones realism which just says that it only makes sense to say that 'reality is in some way; that it is such that...', which suggests that whatever the states of affairs are, they're intelligible via their differential informational structure; this can be pithily summarized as saying that regardless of what reality is, it is a mechanism. and it seems to make sense, but notice that this doesn't say anything whatsoever about the actual, particular informational configuration; the 'way it is' as opposed to any other way. this is as general and abstract as i can comprehend; a minimal limit of operational coherence. as long as there's structure, difference, distinguishability-in any sense, i will guess, infer, conjecture *mechanism.* if there's any existent without distinguishability, difference, structure in any sense - then that's unintelligible & i don't think that there's any motivation to make positive claims about that reality. does this explain why, how or whether the jungian system is The way reality is vs. not just A conjecture? no. it's a mere assertion that it's just brutely the case that, beyond the fact *that* reality is in some way, the particular way it is, is the jungian or whatever particular system that's asserted.
@sxsmith44 i listen to him because i like to keep track of how people with a differing (meta)philosophy publically present their views and because i once fervently bought in to his philosophy. i don't profess to have answers, nor am i certain that the relevant questions are such that they have stance-independent facts of the matter as answers.
@sxsmith44 btw you can't 100% disagree, because a significant portion was just me restating what kastrup also strongly believes; his robust account of metaphysical realism, which is a popular position among even most non-idealist philosophers.
Yeah I knew that the second I sent it. I just didn’t wanna edit it. Thanks for your response. Now that you’ve moved on from him what have you moved on to?
@@sxsmith44 idk wym. do you believe kastrup provides any evidence or empirical considerations that overwhelmingly corroborate jung's particular 'the way reality is' & clearly exclude alternative explanations?
Bernardo Kastrup 🙏 PhD Computer Engineering PhD Philosophy-Idealism Life is a mystery & is mysterious. It is not philosophical & not a philosophy - It is just what it IS. To think life has meaning is delusionary. It's impossible our finite mind can know the meaning/s or purpose/s of our life; B'cos our finite mind is 'outside' or 'separated' by a self identity which acts as a veil over our Infinite Mind. However our life meaning/s can be found by a personal direct experiential self awakening to 'realize & see' instantly our infinite Mind; (To paraphrase, it says) - _"At once, they recover their own (infinite) Mind"_ - *_Virmalakirti Sutra_* - refers). By practicing sustained keen & inquisitive _"self enquiry"_ on our hard life questions which are born out of the answers we already have within ourself. (Famed Spiritual Mystic *_UG Krishnamurti_* - refers) Only our infinite itself can experience to 'realize & see' itself within itself, not by any other impermanent identity or nature outside of itself. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
So we need to live a 'sacrifical life', so God (or nature) can be become aware of the mess he (it) created in the first place? We have to teach God?!!! That's utterly ridiculous. Why should we serve a blundering force (nature) or a blundering entity (God) in this way? Is nature susceptible to OUR thoughts on what is morally good or bad? Is God? I'm not an expert on Schopenhauer, but I have my doubts about whether he had something in mind like this. S''s Will is a blind, dumb and relentless 'force'.
Yahweh developed empathy from watching jobs suffering. It wasn't complete, therefore he gave birth to himself in the form of Christ. That's what I got from book of Job mostly.
When I was a kid and thought deeply about these things I was sure that Christ was here so WE could forgive God (not the other way around which still seems ridiculous to me). As in, if Christ could forgive a god/father who allowed his crucification (by his own creation) we could forgive God (and all others) for the fact we suffer.
Since you speak of nature learning from suffering how is it then possible for nature to have experienced a genocide, in the specifics of the holocaust only to have the descendants of that holocaust inflict the same genocide on an equally helpless people over seventy years culminating in the almost total obliteration of that people? If nature is us human beings, then this is an example of not learning from experience. If this is another way for “God” to learn about the perverseness of human beings in their treatment of a people under their control, this experiencing is definitely not learning and definitely not a way of changing either human beings or “God”. It seems to me like a Psychopath who experiences the horrors they commit without empathy for the subject and either as a curiosity or often, as we see in the faces of the soldiers of the IDF, joy and delight at the pain and suffering they inflict. Explain to me please, where is the value in this either for nature or for “God”?
Analytic Idealism is not something to be understood. Is "something" to be LIVED. Want to do it? See the "dashboard". "Listen" the mind at large (it is wispering a simple question: Are You Another Me?) Choose your answer (yes or not). LIVE the consecuences ('No' brings suffering. 'Yes. I am Another You!' reveals the Cosmic Love). Got it? 😂😂😂
Earth is a prison planet ruled by evil. And if you think there is a benevolent god here, you are deluded. I bet the author thinks Klaus’s Scab is poetic as well
🎥Chapters
0:00 Interview highlight
2:09 What is analytical idealism?
❶ Decoding Jung | Collective Unconscious
4:55 The I Ching and Jung’s preface
7:00 Bernardo’s New Years’ ritual
8:35 Decoding Jung’s metaphysics
11:35 Jung’s collective unconscious (diagram)
13:50 Kids are tripping all the time? Tapping into collective unconscious
18:20 Synchronicities vs. mere chance
20:40 Alan Watts on causality
24:35 Archetypes: Primordial templates
26:50 🔥Jung’s idea of what is the meaning of life
❷ Pay Attention
32:10 How can we be more meta-aware?
36:10 🔥God wants to become man
39:55 🔥Bernardo’s practice: Pay attention to life
42:30 Psychedelics inform your thought?
46:00 Brain scans on psychedelics vs. dreaming (evidence for idealism)
51:45 Parapsychological/psi research… ordinary is amazing
56:25 Angel of forgetfulness, dissociation
57:45 Need to balance meaning-finding?
1:00:20 “Everything has meaning”
❸ Decoding Schopenhauer
1:03:55 We are the universe trying to understand itself
1:06:25 🔥Decoding Schopenhauer’s metaphysics
1:10:50 Was Schopenhauer a pessimist?
1:18:10 Where do Jung & Schopenhauer depart?
1:23:00 🔥Did Jung take psychedelics?
1:27:20 Hypnagogia & psychedelics
1:32:45 “True salvation lies in the denial of will.”
1:37:40 Levels beyond ego-consciousness?
❹ Brief Peaks Beyond
1:40:20 “It is the very economic success of materialism that carries with it the seed of its own destruction.”
1:48:40 Economic materialism & technofeudalism
1:52:20 Where is capitalism going? Universal basic income
1:55:50 One of the biggest errors: Confusing importance for value
1:59:10 Rise of populism relies on failure to recognize human dignity
2:02:10 What’s next from Bernardo?
Bernardo is an invaluable gift that keeps on giving. Thank you both!
Excellent topic and discussion! 💡👍
Sharing a related observation:
We are in the midst of a growing "narcissism epidemic". Those who suffer from narcissism manifest a self-worth that is heavily reliant on external validation and admiration, making them highly susceptible to a "meaning crisis" when they don't receive the positive feedback or "external stream of validation" they need. A "meaning crisis" can manifest as a "narcissistic collapse," which is a dramatic emotional breakdown when a narcissist feels their self-image is under threat, leading to behaviors like rage, depression, or intense self-pity... I believe Dr. Kastrup went through that phenomenon, and through philosophy and self-contemplation he is progressively transcending that which Grandmaster Eckhart Tolle correctly identifies as "prison of the ego"..
Elon Musk Donald Trump come to mind. Even my keyboard knew which names to put automatically.
The discussion of Schopenhauer seeming to be pessimistic reminds me of people who say that about Buddhism. The parallel in that regard is incredible including letting go of personal wishes and really seeing life directly removing suffering, which. Is the core of Buddhism.
Schopenhauer drew from eastern thought
His narration of Jung and Group is masterful! Worth a million dollars!
Very interesting discussion and I wrote many notes (which I won't inflict on everyone), but to mention my experience with psychedelics...
After a seriously traumatic childhood I left home at 17 and did LSD a couple of times a week for about a year. Eventually it became non-useful and a little tedious so I stopped. To this day, it was the most transformative greatest effect ever on my mental health. I'm glad I did it.
Not for everyone! But I was particularly repressed and had a horrible upbringing.
❤ another wonderful conversation it’s really lovely to hear Bernardo speaking to other people. It really adds to the party of life….. thank you so much both of you.!!!
Good one with Bernardo... Some new angles. Thx.
Excellent discussion! Thank you! Merry Christmas!
“Dissociative boundary” reminds me a lot of Alfred North’s Whitehead concept of “incompatibility”, thanks Bernardo for reminding me of such a great thinker who also helps me a lot in understanding and further elucidating your analytical idealism, which is half of what we need as a society to fully integrate all the dissociative boundaries into one, both physically and mentally.
Great talk, thank you! ...PS: The name Bernardo is looking for at 1:50:40 is Yanis Varoufakis, former Minister of Finance of Greece :)
Great! Good job!
I really like Analytical Idealism and Bernardo Kastrup, and I also like Advaita Vedanta. However, I would like to comment on something unusual: among all the maps of the universe, it is the Kabbalah of the heretic and accursed Sabbatai Zevi, in the metaphysical treatise, that is the most effective because it identified the "Black Light". This Kabbalah of Sabbatai Zevi, which has been improved, makes more sense than the Kabbalah of Isaac Luria because Sabbatai Zevi managed to prove, metaphysically speaking, where Duality originally arose and why the Titanic Wars of complementary Antagonistic Forces exist. The Bhagavad Gita and Advaita Vedanta summarize the entire cosmic drama as the so-called "Leela/Lila", which are the Cosmic Drama and Games of what would be Krishna or Nirguna Brahman. These Titanic wars are described especially in Egyptian, Sumerian/Babylonian, Greek, Norse, etc. mythologies. According to Sabbatai Zevi, such duality arose right in the TzimTzum, and this understanding is fundamental to comprehend the nature of the deities of chaos and darkness that are part of the dialectic with order and light.
Didn't he marry his own daughter?
Highly recommended! Thank you so much 👌🏻🎈🙏🏻
Excelente convidado! Entrevista oportuna e actual perante a actual crise epistemológica.
4:11 The physical world and the perception by the senses both make meaning of existence as coexistence 😊😊
Great discussion allows one to fully understand Oneness
15:46 Every human being is the life atom capable of seeing patterns and giving meaning that is uniform in every human being😊😊😊
5:20 Jung and I Ching 9:50 The collective unconscious is the world
Our reality is quite evidently heavily weighted toward relationships and interconnectivity. Consequently, you’d expect there to be a force pushing events towards such experiences.
U have that force in you too same force that rules the universe …the basis of everything..the universe itself
around the hour mark "pay attention" and the difficulty in the question, because attention span - and not experience so much - reveals truth. If allow and assert are both actions in a series so 2^3 is 8 seconds of attention span. Objectification as 2^2, meditation as 2^1, world as 2^5, and human collective as a chord for the person which returns to C somewhere in right relations with some level of the gradient. Thanks for the show!
Finding that book by chance happened here also. Cool
@1:16:00 life is music.
What I am about to write might sound very silly but my friend and I used I Ching with hexagram asking question about future in relation to a particular situation. It was more the 30 years ago when I lived in Balkan. The answer to my particular question about leaving Country was like : It would be useful to go over sea. It of cause meant to leave Country. Each question asked produced a very specific answer that look like not to be accidental reply. The most importantly, when I asked the same question again after a few days, I would get the same answer.
My 12 year old is listening to B, while he was 14 reading Jung, future will be bright
Just BEE. And be grateful🙏🌲❤🇿🇦
“It’s through my sacrifice that nature evolves”
@56:29 But without an explanation of psi phenomena, or at the very least its acknowledgment as real, how can one properly explain what reality is?
Seems to me psi phenomena sits well within the framework of Bernardo’s idealism and may well be the key to a revolutionary shift in Man’s worldview
Carlos--suggestion: simplify your questions. You try to stake out a position and ask a question at the same time which seems to divide your energies, and you conk out half way through. Just ask simpler questions. That's the skill of the interviewer. "what does analytic idealism contribute to psi" would be a good question, e.g.
@@petersenoji thanks for the advice. So I dislike listening to interviews where it’s question after question, and the host doesn’t in some way respond to what was said. So I’m trying to make this a dialogue.
BUT I trip up on my words so often, I get nervous and tongue tied. Just not eloquent enough. So I may have to revert to just simple prewritten questions. Gotta know when you can’t hang.
i will like to add another optimistic side of Schopenhaur, that his is explanation death is not the end. It is very similar to Bernardo's ideas.
Beautiful talk. Can you also bring Giulio Tononi, founder of integrated information theory? Thanks.
As a self described blue ray starseed I had to push though years of Narcissistic military people in my family, after I got some of them in check, I married a severe BPD, my current wife, after twenty years of abuse I got her in check, another eight years abuse by narcissistic petty tyrant bosses in relatavely high level corporate world, got them in check. Now I’m chilling waiting for a new adventure, for whatever reason I’m looking for friction with the global subconscious, not getting scared and am getting a kick out of it. Again not sure what’s next but I might be done with the abusers in my life, bosses, colonel parents, wife, all in check, they all saw what they have done. The key was to have them empathize to your emotional trauma. Narcissists communicate via internal archetypes of people in their head, very inflexible. For example Matt is clumsy, Beth is stupid, etc. they create internal archetypes of people , when they talk to you they actually refer to their twisted representation of you in their head. It’s incredibly rigid, my advice, have them understand that they hurt you, at some point when they see it they can’t unsee it, it’s just gonna take twenty years of everyday work and abuse.I never left anyone of my abusive relationships because I have a calling for this shit. Upside is that if you are in the 1% and push through, I recommend people actually leave this relationship, for most the fight is not worth it, the recovered BPD will have mad respect for you, after all is done they will see you for what you are and realize they abused you and the dirty games the played and they will be deeply sorry, make them say sorry verbally multiple times over the years, at first they won’t say it, than they will say it but not believe it, and when they see it, that’s the best feeling in the world, their eye sight changes, they don’t have the reptile abusive stare no more.
Last advise and prolly most important, absolutely make sure that you both agree that they are abusers. It’s not easy to have a narcissist agree to that, but when they do, start bringing it up, they will explode and hate that you call them abusers, than you revert to previous agreement remind them that you were hurt and they are the abusers, drive them crazy with this point until tenor motherboard can’t take it.Thousand repetitions of this get the point across, deliver those zingers that hit the bottom of their soul for reflective purposes, be in-tuned to the fear of your partner and their patterns, make it a full time job
As Benardo says "pay attention" is good yet attention can be further explored. Just as a way of exploring our own possibilities of experience, we can say that there are apparently two modes of attention. One mode is receptive or allowing and the other mode is more an active mode and ordinarily is involved with taking a some action. Active attention acts mainly by knowing which is usually based on memory. While receptive attention is more associated with not knowing or slight astonishment and is more free from the structuring of experience from past memory (or past concepts). And we can also say that when our consciousness or mind is powered by a very fine energy such as unconditional love, our attention is balanced as if it were both active and receptive. An experimentation we can play with to explore this is: We know that we can breathe without our intentionally doing it. And we also know we can intentionally breathe. Now see if you can simply witness or feel the coming and going of the breath without interfering with it. To be aware of the felt-sense of the rise and fall of the breath without interfering with the breathing, requires being receptive, or what we are referring to here as "receptive attention". Just as a suggestion we can say that by being open and receptive, if we give it sufficient time, we will be given, little by little, the experience of a global sense of the whole body. With this whole body awareness as a kind of simple presence, we can be open to the breath as it comes and goes on its own. The ways of attention can be seen to be quite subtle. If we can get a sense that it is no longer me breathing but I am being breathed, we will begin to awaken to the subtleties of attention with its apparent active and receptive modes. We may even be able to realize that the two modes can be seen to be one. Remember we are not talking about "things" but experiences and ways of experiencing.
Something I considered myself, but I saw allow/assert actions where allow is an action because within the person this is inference that connects to reality while assert objectifies the person or humanity outside of complex reality. When I view a green plant I see the green is the most truthful, but it's what the plant isn't, while the shape describes the plant relation to the world, and the movement is also relational and somewhat ambiguous, if everything moves.
I came up with an object that is a series that moves like a spring with a degree of freedom. So allow and assert as 2, and the series 2^1, 2^2, 2^3 possible action sets which is 8, 2^5 which is 256 as dodecahedron object. A music chord of 8 notes that returns at a higher or lower dimension like a keyboard, where the 8th note for a person is the human collective, and 2^5 is the planet which can be realized thru breathing since the 14 lb/sq inch and diaphragm co-evolve.
Which Schopenhauer book was Bernard referring to?
The Spiritual Male and the Magical fe, Life, it's love in a nut shell. Great listening,
I'm pretty sure that's not what Job is about. It's supposed to illustrate that if you hang on to yoir faith through difficult trials then God will restore all you lost and then some. That being said I really dig what he has to say on other topics.
read jung's paper on it
Has anyone ever asked Bernardo how he feels about psy phenomena? How about mediums or past lives?
yea he allows for them
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good one
Any proof of these specelations?
He wrote 12 books about it my guy, bad comment
Well, I'm okay with returning to having a transparent lord protecting our village and having land, able to raise a family, with zero waste, but in return for...trash collectors?! Maybe this isn't doable in America, but it's literally in living memory since we lived like this in Europe.
Who or what is reading the dials on 'our' 'dashboard', and is this 'reader' also that which actively/physically - not to omit appropriately (in a fitness maximising/optimising manner) - responds to these readings ??
temporarily split off alter egos of the one mind
I love. The way Mr Kastrup thinks, the “ dashboard “ analogy can throw some people off because at first that concept is too alien to us but the way I process it very intuitive to myself
For example: my cat sees the stars and the sun and the moon but he can’t have understanding of what they’re and he’s probably much better adapted to nature and the influence of the heavenly bodies but to him they’re just part of the scenery and yet to me they have much more meaning and I assigned to them greatest mysteries so in a way my limits of understanding the reality is my brain as it is the case for my cat , and to form a real picture of the universe in my mind I would need a consciousness far beyond what I have at the time so in a way my limited brain power can only form a limited perception of what the reality of the universe and matter is like
And expecting more of my mind wood be illogical.
But me and my cat and the spider in the corner of my room are capable of sensing the essence of the things that our mind can not perceive
It’s as if we are all connected in a mysterious way and the essence of universe can be sensed by all beings and that’s what makes life interesting because the unknowable and immense universe can become comprehensible in our shared consciousness in the compressed concepts such as the archetypes that are akin to compressed files that our brains can decode at times.
your cat doesn't see the stars and the moon--sorry, that's way too much human dashboard imposed on the cat.
so his mind was already opened as a teenager? didnt he say before that he was a hard nosed engineering materialist until his late 20s? sometimes it sounds as if he changes his background story a bit. like for example in his last interview with jeffrey mishlove he sounded almost as if he denied using psychedelics, when in previous interviews he went into detailed descriptions and explained how profoundly the experiences had changed him.
Yes his mind opened at 14 when he came across Jung.
I have never heard him try obfuscate his use of psychedelics. You appear to have misconstrued his words. This is not a criticism. You just haven’t listened to him enough.
@@sxsmith44 well have you listened to his latest interview on new thinking allowed? because that is the only one where he sounds different on the psychedelics for some reason, i will gladly time stamp it for you if you like. also i have listened to probably 30-40 one hour long interviews with him all of which are at least 1 hour long. actually this is how i started to notice some discrepancies, from listening to him so many times. so i would say i have listened to him enough, also read several of his books.
15:46 Everything is in order in the universe and on this planet only homo sapiens are to be in order😊😊
I think Bernardo is confusing causality with correlation, the idea of causality is that if you manipulate a variable in a system, either for real or with a model validated experimentally, certain events will follow such that the antecendent manipulation is the cause of the consequent event. This is different from just inferring causality from mere correlation. for the cat example we cannot speak of cause but of correlation in his example, if we are able to control the cat then we would be causing what we observe. If we have a model of the cat and how it works, in accordance with a model of the physical laws then we would be able to see causality by carrying out a thought experiment. B follows A doesn't imply B is caused by A, I mean it is obvious and thought in basic statistics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
your definition includes the word cause and Bernardo knows about the difference you're referring to.
@@boris3866 no doubt he knows but he hasn't applied to the cat example.I think the wikipedia link I posted explains in sufficient detail what I meant by causation(=manipulating A results in B following, rather than simply observing A) and which is clearly not satisfied by Bernardo in the cat example.
As an appendage of God, human life is the most awesome opportunity for me to give meaning to my subjective experience
Thank you for the permission and space to share my new and improved gratitude attitude adventure today #1884 on my road trip of Discovery.
36:00 What Bernardo describes here is no less the sacrificial life that God lived through the role model Jesus Christ and ultimately also lives through all of humanity.
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note how BK doesn't actually explain anything and doesn't answer your question, but provides an epistemic blank cheque.
all he offers is a robust, maximally general account of metaphysical realism;
that reality stance-independently exists, is exactly as it is and not otherwise, in some particular way.
he emphasizes that what matters is that reality is such that it's a distinguishably differentially structured informational structure. it's a basic kind of barebones realism which just says that it only makes sense to say that 'reality is in some way; that it is such that...', which suggests that whatever the states of affairs are, they're intelligible via their differential informational structure; this can be pithily summarized as saying that regardless of what reality is, it is a mechanism.
and it seems to make sense, but notice that this doesn't say anything whatsoever about the actual, particular informational configuration; the 'way it is' as opposed to any other way. this is as general and abstract as i can comprehend; a minimal limit of operational coherence. as long as there's structure, difference, distinguishability-in any sense, i will guess, infer, conjecture *mechanism.* if there's any existent without distinguishability, difference, structure in any sense - then that's unintelligible & i don't think that there's any motivation to make positive claims about that reality.
does this explain why, how or whether the jungian system is The way reality is vs. not just A conjecture? no. it's a mere assertion that it's just brutely the case that, beyond the fact *that* reality is in some way, the particular way it is, is the jungian or whatever particular system that's asserted.
I disagree 100% with your comments.
Why do you even listen to him?
If you have some answers I would suggest you start your own channel!
@sxsmith44 i listen to him because i like to keep track of how people with a differing (meta)philosophy publically present their views and because i once fervently bought in to his philosophy.
i don't profess to have answers, nor am i certain that the relevant questions are such that they have stance-independent facts of the matter as answers.
@sxsmith44 btw you can't 100% disagree, because a significant portion was just me restating what kastrup also strongly believes; his robust account of metaphysical realism, which is a popular position among even most non-idealist philosophers.
Yeah I knew that the second I sent it.
I just didn’t wanna edit it.
Thanks for your response.
Now that you’ve moved on from him what have you moved on to?
@@sxsmith44 idk wym. do you believe kastrup provides any evidence or empirical considerations that overwhelmingly corroborate jung's particular 'the way reality is' & clearly exclude alternative explanations?
Bernardo Kastrup 🙏
PhD Computer Engineering
PhD Philosophy-Idealism
Life is a mystery & is mysterious. It is not philosophical & not a philosophy - It is just what it IS.
To think life has meaning is delusionary. It's impossible our finite mind can know the meaning/s or purpose/s of our life;
B'cos our finite mind is 'outside' or 'separated' by a self identity which acts as a veil over our Infinite Mind.
However our life meaning/s can be found by a personal direct experiential self awakening to 'realize & see' instantly our infinite Mind;
(To paraphrase, it says) - _"At once, they recover their own (infinite) Mind"_ - *_Virmalakirti Sutra_* - refers).
By practicing sustained keen & inquisitive _"self enquiry"_ on our hard life questions which are born out of the answers we already have within ourself. (Famed Spiritual Mystic *_UG Krishnamurti_* - refers)
Only our infinite itself can experience to 'realize & see' itself within itself, not by any other impermanent identity or nature outside of itself. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
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15:46 All this imagination is done by the homo sapien .. The existential Reality is just the present 😊😊
Yeah sure like the proof of this answer?
2 hours abour meaning of life?!?
(Meaning of) life is an empty shell; go fill it up with anything you want.
There, end of discussion.
So we need to live a 'sacrifical life', so God (or nature) can be become aware of the mess he (it) created in the first place? We have to teach God?!!! That's utterly ridiculous.
Why should we serve a blundering force (nature) or a blundering entity (God) in this way? Is nature susceptible to OUR thoughts on what is morally good or bad? Is God?
I'm not an expert on Schopenhauer, but I have my doubts about whether he had something in mind like this. S''s Will is a blind, dumb and relentless 'force'.
Yahweh developed empathy from watching jobs suffering. It wasn't complete, therefore he gave birth to himself in the form of Christ. That's what I got from book of Job mostly.
When I was a kid and thought deeply about these things I was sure that Christ was here so WE could forgive God (not the other way around which still seems ridiculous to me). As in, if Christ could forgive a god/father who allowed his crucification (by his own creation) we could forgive God (and all others) for the fact we suffer.
Since you speak of nature learning from suffering how is it then possible for nature to have experienced a genocide, in the specifics of the holocaust only to have the descendants of that holocaust inflict the same genocide on an equally helpless people over seventy years culminating in the almost total obliteration of that people? If nature is us human beings, then this is an example of not learning from experience. If this is another way for “God” to learn about the perverseness of human beings in their treatment of a people under their control, this experiencing is definitely not learning and definitely not a way of changing either human beings or “God”. It seems to me like a Psychopath who experiences the horrors they commit without empathy for the subject and either as a curiosity or often, as we see in the faces of the soldiers of the IDF, joy and delight at the pain and suffering they inflict. Explain to me please, where is the value in this either for nature or for “God”?
Analytic Idealism is not something to be understood. Is "something" to be LIVED.
Want to do it? See the "dashboard". "Listen" the mind at large (it is wispering a simple question: Are You Another Me?) Choose your answer (yes or not). LIVE the consecuences ('No' brings suffering. 'Yes. I am Another You!' reveals the Cosmic Love).
Got it? 😂😂😂
Earth is a prison planet ruled by evil. And if you think there is a benevolent god here, you are deluded. I bet the author thinks Klaus’s Scab is poetic as well
“Life having meaning” is a presuppositional delusion.
Oooohh so edgy
@@Alex-ht1oq Thx, I wasn’t going for “edgy” but yeah f@&£ it! I’ll take it..😁
I can see how “What is the meaning of life?” could be a presuppositional delusion, but how is “life having meaning” a presuppositional delusion?
Correct, because ‘life is meaning’ not a property of it.
Bernardo points out people like you being desperate for closure. Cannot handle the unknowable is what it is.❤😊
that's not what job is about sorry God knows😂
read Jung's paper on it
Eternity - what would discard all the studies in existence, meta and infra alike.
Blah blah
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