My art SUCKS so I’m starting over | Indie Game Devlog
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- Another instalment of us pushing through the development of our Indie game using the Godot engine. We re-do all the player character animations twice, add enemies and combat, and build some vital systems.
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Other music from the Hollow Knight and Over the Garden Wall soundtrack
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The artwork reveal at the end hit me RIGHT in the chest with the same feeling that Over the Garden Wall does - incredibly cozy and beautiful, would 100% play just for the aesthetic honestly.
Thank you so much!
I love the playable character! I'm glad this is the final final final that will never ever be changed ever again!
Thank you, I too am very excited about this prospect.
8:33 amogus
LMAO
sussy
I dunno walt, kinda sus
Okay but Light Bulb as the working title is already so cute, cozy and a perfectly accurate name. Onion being the hero? of the game thus the "heroic light" of the story and ayo that sure is an Onion Bulb of a head. Obviously as you build the game out more, via gameplay and lore I think you'll stumble into the title you think fits just right. Also I'm always down for cuter smaller sprites, that's just a little guy, a little dude! Such a wonderful update can't wait to see what's next!!
Thank you! Ok this does have me rethinking the name.
Love these videos! Feels like we are actually in the process so we get to follow along step by step, but it is still relatively "short" and holds my attention throughout
Thank you so much! That’s exactly what I’m going for!
I feel like a good name could be "Layer by Layer" because of the various layers/ levels one usually explorse in metroidvanias. Exploring deeper and deeper learning more about the world, and y'know, onions 🧅
Oooooh, that’s a noice one
i like konikia as a name
Yeah, you've definitely got to use the idea of layers somehow. Maybe even as a sub-title, like "Little Onion: Deeper Layers"
Game name: The Legend of Onion: Tears of the Kitchen
I was worried when I saw the title because your art definitely does not suck, but I'm relieved to see how everything turned out. I know it's all still in development, but that floaty jump looks suspicious. I think quick jumps with variable height usually feel the best. Good luck!
Thank you! Yea we have a variable jump, but took it out and plan on reimplementing it soon. Cheers!
ready layer one. onion boy out here tryin to smack a few fellas
You perfectly captured the cozy, yet slightly eerie vibes of Over the Garden Wall with your update. The lighting is perfect and the forest scene is impeccable. I just want to jump right in and explore this world! It's been great seeing how much the game has grown and evolved since that first iteration of it. Really hyped to see where it goes next and ready to try a demo when it's ready. Also, Merry Belated Birthday! May this be a great year for you!
Thank you Alice!
Always been a huge fan of yours since the Sleepycast animations, cant wait to see how this turns out!
Great progress! I think the lighting you landed on really pulls the vibe together. Can't wait to see what you are cooking up next.
Thanks!
The game looks great! Love the art direction you guys are taking it! Also when you guys get to making the music, you should definitely use the songs you used in this video as references for the style and feel of the music in game. It just felt like it meshed so well it was meant to be.
Happy Birthday Josh 🥳! The development is going so well, can't wait to see more!
Thanks Mike-L!
i see so much success with this, your game looks so charming and its bleeding with love and creativity
Thank you so much!
looking great, can't wait to see where this goes!
Hey! we share a birthday, and it just so happens I also spent my birthday working on my game. Happy Birthday and your game looks real good.
Woah! Thats crazy! Happy birthday and good luck with your game!
hey, i loved your game, here are some suggestions:
in the walking animation, make he go up and down a bit, it looks like he's just sliding on the ground, it would look less static and would help if you want to add a footsteps sfx for him.
this is something i never did, but i guess it would look cool: make the camera go up and down when he's walking, the camera is a little too static just with the godot smoothing property.
and please, don't give up, i really love your game art and the gameplay looks cool too, wish you the best
Inspiring stuff man, I need to start making these sorts of monthly update vids for my own game project.
Yesss!
Such a cool art style! Looking forward to trying this out :)
Thanks so much!
I reeally love how the design of the character and atmosphere is coming along, verrry cozy Over the Garden Wall esque. As you said this game is still trying to find its voice, with elements like enemy and envioment feeling a biit too similar to Hollow Knight. I think a great approach that would help bolster the game's creative vision would be to _really_ lean into the aesthetic of fall for the design of the enemies, envioment, and lore.
For example maybe in place of tall grass around the village, there are patches and bundles of wheat as villagers begin their harvest, ..and whenever there's wheat you need an old windmill, thems just the rules. In addition to wheat there could be varying piles of leaves the player can run through, cut through, or jump into. Dry leaves could also be easily used to create puzzles where the player or enemies must set them on fire. Lanterns/candles are commonly associated with fall, for their warmth, their light, and symbolic connection to the soul. So perhaps ghastly enemies resemble jack-o-lanterns with their eyes sunken in and fire in their mouths, which they exhale to try and burn the player. Crows as well are a commonly associated with fall and death, feasting on the remains of rotting food/remains. I'm sure theres a lot you could do with crows or even a scarecrow for enemy design. Settling on and doing research into a specific time period could also really help with ideas surrounding the nature of the world, the people that live there, and the threats they face or fear.
In terms of name suggestions? ..I think "harvest" in respect to it's correlation to the season, as well as the potential connotation of death could make for a great name and narrative theme. Something like "The Last Harvest," "Harvest Hero," or "Lament of the Harvest King."
Hope any of that was useful, I'm always open to spitting ideas.
It’s like you read my mind! Lots of this is already sketched and coming into the game! You nailed it!!
@@MrChambers Did not expect that but I probably should have expected that. lol
Don't know when / if you'll create a discord channel, but I'd be interested in sharing more ideas depending on how much spitballing you can tolerate.
Art work did improve, glad about that. I think that adding more enemy world interation and mid combat reaction would one up hollow knight. Like if you jump over the zombie, the zombie looks up and stumbles tring to turn for example. Altho complexity could backfire. It might be better off simple.
This is some fantastic feed back thank you!
I love the art , definitely a huge step in the right direction 👏🔥
Thank you!
The part at 9:34 is giving me Over the Garden Wall vibes and I love it!
Thank you!
Great work! hope your game is great and it gets popular
Thank you!
Cool! I didn't know about this project, until I saw your post on the r/metroidvania/. And I like what I'm seeing, I absolutely love Hollow Knight, and if you're taking inspiration from it, I definitely would like to see where this goes from. I like the art, and I feel that it's probably one of the most important, or maybe the most important aspect on a game, since it's first thing a player sees, and I appreciate what you did already. I'll subscribe and keep track of what is going on.
Thanks so much! Im a huge Metoridvania fan and I just feel like there isn't enough of em! So I gotta make the game I wanna play.
This looks great ! wish i could draw like you.
this game's vibe feels like a over the garden wall version of hollow knight. If i had to suggest a title, it should be more about bulb boy's world more than him, so maybe something like Withertomb
That's really great work on the protagonist, they look really good and it's really fun watching the development process. I'm not good with names, I'd probably make tears and layer puns like other commenters. All I can really say from a game reviewer perspective is to make sure that your game is approachable in terms of difficulty and make sure you try to give some kind of hint on where to go next, not necessarily outright saying where to go of course but you should give a nonverbal indication somehow, that's what makes Metroidvania games tricky to design. Metroidvania games are eaten alive by game journalists I'm afraid and game reviewers review 5-10 games a week and will drop your game if they can't figure out where to go within a few minutes - in fact, anyone will drop and refund your game if they get lost. One hilarious example was David Jaffe, the creator of Twisted Metal and God of War, who streamed Metroid Dread and got lost and stuck because he didn't know there were breakable walls. People criticized him too for not being able to pick up on nonverbal cues but there is some truth to it. One more tip is to have a good mapping system in-game, it would be nice to have a map that's easy to bring up and zoom in on, etc, but also would be useful to show areas you can return to later. Whatever you do, don't put in teleporting mazes into a Metroidvania game though that's just me, I played a game called Tevi recently that did that and boy was it a completionist nightmare. Having a poorly designed in-game mapping system would ruin any Metroidvania game nowadays.
This is all fantastic advice and Ill likely come back to this comment as we start to get into the meat and potatoes of a game. We probably wont make a mapping system until post demo. But I wholeheartedly agree the map needs to be good, readable, and the player should feel empowered by it and not the opposite. Cheers!
Bulby Boi? In all seriousness though, this is looking super cool. Very clearly inspired by another popular metroidvania but really just makes it more approachable.
Thanks so much!
Love the over the garden wall inspiration!
art looks good! you should look into adjusting jump- and walkspeed-curves so that the player feels snappier and less floaty.
100% this needs to and will happen. Cheers!
@@MrChambers nice! 🤝
I think both of the art look beautiful. The first one too, I hope that the first model isn't 100% erased because I think it will be such a waste to see a cool design like this not be used
The beetle and mosquito designs remind me of Felix Colgrave a lot
Love that dude!
OVER THE GARDEN WALL????? SUPERB MUSIC CHOICE GOOD SIR
I feel like the title could use the term "Layers" for the onion, possibly could be a in game mechanic in some way, would give it a hook, imo. Not entirely sure what you could do to interpret "layers" into the gameplay, but figured I'd throw out the thought lol
A good name suggestion could be an onions cry, because its ironic that an onion is crying and because the onion has to escape an underground forest
So i dont think this will be too helpful and its probably been brought up internally but onions are a type of Lilly which is a very nice name. Also theyre from the family allium which leeks and chives and such are from. I dont think allium adventures sounds good but this is the best i can do on short notice.
I didn’t know that, you really know your onion facts!
Springy Onion?
The spring onion?
the springing onion?
Name ur game Shrek
What ab smn related to crying
Idk the plot of the game but Tears of the Kingdom if it takes place in a castle maybe. Or if the Onion is a demon, Devil May Cry. Or maybe just The Tear.
All jokes aside, Im happy to have found a new metroidvania to look forward to :)
It looks amazing!
This looks really good! I'd love to make a game someday
Now this is a classic ERIC moment.
"When onions cry"
Otherwise, BACK TO THE ANIMATION DUNGEON
XD
Thicket minimap lookin so good
Thank you king 👑
0:19 CULT OF THE LAMB!!!!
oh just seen the new name ! layers deep is sick man. good choice
Hi there, loving the art style of this game! I was wondering if you needed a composer for the game, or if you already have one on your team. I'll keep watching these videos, I'm excited to see how this turns out.
Right now we currently have a composer working on a test track, but will def reach out If we feel like we need more music! Cheers!
Layers of Tears (haw haw)
lol that’s clever
Very beautiful!!
Art is looking good, the more chibi style improves it overall along with making movement easier to read for the player. I feel the next thing that needs some more work are the animations & movement of the player as it feels off right now, is kinda floaty with the animations not quite matching the movement properly IMO.
Thanks for the feedback, will keep this in mind for Onion V4
Game looks like a beaut! What about Sproutling for a game title?
Make it so that the enemies cry when the onion smacks them.
Happy belated birthday ❤xxxooo
From Aunt Cathy
@@FullGreenLight Thanks Aunt Cathy!
great work but don't forget the parallax effect.
Its in there! Its just really subtle :)
@@MrChambers I just noticed that may increase it a bit.
@@Lazy931 Ill turn the dial up and see how it looks, thanks!
Good luck!!
Thank you!
you could make an enemy that cries because of onions.... xD
Hey this is looking promising! Wonderful art. I'd love to cover your game on my channel when it releases!
Thank you so much!!
You could call the game "Layers".... cause a common fact about onions is that, like ogres, they have layers.
A couple fantasy/early Americana inspired names:
Twilight Tidings
Whistlewind Woods
Tales from the Enchanted Thicket
or you could use the genius of an onion in the name since it sounds like the name of something from early Americana: Allium
Allium Hollow or Allium woods, or even Allium Thicket
or like you could just up and use the name of the cemetery from over the garden wall,
Eternal Garden Cemetery
Naming things is hard, especially when you really want it to be good. My advice is not to dwell or stress on it until you absolutely have to, but do think about it often.
Its so hard! But thank you for the advice!
my brother in Christ, both design are cute as fuck
What to name the game? "Karmal" Get it? Like caramelized onions.
game names:
Peel's Journey
Try Not To Cry
Allium and The Gourd
the game looks absolutely fabulous !
my litteral ONLY concern is that walking noise at 9:39
I don't like it
None of the audio is permanent, don't you worry my friend.
go josh go!
I’m going Gass man!
Name Idea: Vidalian Tomes
Tomes like a spellbook not an tombstone.
Great video. What's the software you are using to animate at 8:23?
Harmony
happy late birthday!!
well its cool to see another studio pop up, but as of now i dont see anything unique about the gameplay, see in the world of game design you either aim for a new or out of the box mechanic to hook players in, or you choose some aspect of the game to perfect it, in your own way, the latter being quite more difficult from a developing standpoint, as of now i dont see either, so you dont relly have anything to dintinguish yourself from the crowd in a gameplay perspective, thought aesthetically the game looks quite different and well made.
We have only been working on the game for a few months, so we're just now finally finishing base systems. But we are 100% leaning into the art/world as much as we can. What I tend to look for in a Metroidvania is an interesting world, the gameplay and mechanics kinda are less important (but still have to be fun 100%). Also, I'm not a coder, I'm an artist, so I'm trying to lean into my strengths here. As long as the game is fun to play and the world is interesting I'm a happy camper. All that being said... we have some very unique systems (that 100% will set us apart) in mind, but we are just not ready to talk about them because we are still figuring them out. Thanks for the feedback, I hope you continue to follow our progress and hold us to a high standard. Cheers!
@@MrChambersok good, its just as a game designer i often see many people trying to make a game and only focusing in a single area, and then end up with a crude game in the end because they didnt develop more than basic nessesities, which by extension makes the game not enjoyable for a majority of people, and then they never get to see the parts you worked so hard on, cause they leave early, just keep that in mind.
@@ethanbuttazzi2602 I agree this happens so much. Which is why we dont have too many bespoke systems to show just yet. We want to make sure the base systems and design are working well before we decide to push the envelope
Okay. So I know you've been waiting for me and Darren to spit ball names. So here we go:
Sir lan-shalot
Gourdy
Walk in the woods
Little onion
Onion boy - shrek- donkey quote
Alhallows Steve (the onions name is Steve)
Hallows hollow
Hazy hollow
Hallow haze
Light layers
attack of the gourds
Oh my gourd
Syth night (is that his weapon?
No it's a sickle..)
Sickle night
Little sickle
Tickle my sickle...no
Straw whore..no
No more tears (he's an onion)
Make them cry (dark.)
Shed tears (lol)
Onion night
Spit ballin' words that come to mind when I look at it..
Maze, loop, dream, nightmare
labyrinth, confusion, knot, dazed, horror, folk tales
Knot woods
Thicket ... In the thicket
Lost in the thicket
Hallowed onion
verb. sickled; sickling ˈsi-k(ə-)liŋ transitive verb. 1. : to mow or reap with a sickle.
Onion reaper
Wow trying to come up with a title is shallot harder than we thought it'd be. (Heh)
What's the purpose, what's his mission.. is he... Reaping what he sows (HA) is he just peeling away the layers of the map (peeling, a good onion word), is he lighting the path...
❤
This is the most LJ response ever lol, thank you! We’ll just put all your names in a big string of words and make that the tittle XD
@@MrChambers hahaha IT WAS ALL FOR YOU JASH!
Tuber Tale!
I would name it Ogre's are like onions.
This would be awesome if it included visual novel elements
were def going to have NPCs, a story, and dialogue options
When you make the tile maps do you use tiles or just a collision shape and art goes ontop?
We use a combo of both! The tile maps offer a lot of terrain functionality, but we like to have the freedom to create more dynamic art ontop of it
call the game "Prepare to Cry" (this name has layers)
Hey just a heads up. Id get a better turntable. That generic crosley one is going to rip apart your records.
Im pretty sure its a Shooron, which is a different brand than Crosley no?
@@MrChambers it uses the same mechanism, so yeah its the same.
@@sunderark well thank you for the heads up!
Name suggestion: Laired
Like layered, just a but different.
lol, brilliant
Happy birthday day
spike beetle gives very much felix colgrave
I've always been very inspired by his art
Since the player is an onion why not something along the lines like "Cry No More" or maybe something cutesy and related to gardening as a whole depending on the tone you're going for.
A lot of "crying" suggestions, Im thinking yall are onto something.
Maybe some zoom on the character? It feels like its too distant
What if you name the game Shallot Shawn?
Man wtf,that disc rules
Animate the lamp breaking it’s so stiff 😢
Better Lamp version coming!
@@MrChambers 🙏
call it Onion Head
you look like AJR's fourth secret member
Lmao
Onion Skin
Onion Knight?
no more tech deck…
My fingers are too sore from the first video
plz bring it back :)
Looks like a socially adjusted yandev 😂
LMAO, kinda a burn but thank you I guess
As someone who has never played Hollow Knight before, is this Hollow Knight?
You should play Hollow Knight
This is literally just hollow knight☠️
It’s *literally* not that.
Hollow Knight is obviously a big influence here; however, the same can be said about most contemporary Metroidvanias. At least this guy paid homage to the game and its soundtrack in the video.
To paraphrase French New Wave director Jean-Luc Godard, “It's not where you take inspiration from - it's where you take it to."
Its quite easy to tell what inspired you but to be honest it looks a bit too much like that particular game (Hollow Knight)
I haven't heard of that game, if it's anything like Crowsworn id love to check it out!
Good character onion! Love it
🧅❤❤❤ And i making game too, i making own and drawing not too good.
Is that lemongrab? :o