To be fair that "new" one did look to be pretty low quality, would like to see how a more reputable brand would hold up. Obviously neither were hardened steel, a hatchet should definitely break well before it is able to bend that far
As a civil engineer, this material at 8:27 is not concrete; it's mortar. The difference lies in the absence of coarse aggregate in this mixture. However, the old block we can see contains coarse aggregate, making it a concrete structure.
This is hardened iron vs soft iron. The older one is made to last, but will bounce and transfer all the shock of a blow to your hand, wrist and arm when striking a hard surface, and if it fails it will shatter. The newer one isn't hardened, but is made to absorb more of the impact and not bounce back as hard. The downside is obviously that it can deform and will get gouged with use. They're both good tools, but shouldn't be used to do the same job. Edit: Since people still see this I should clarify that the newer one would work harden with regular use, aligning the crystalline structure and resulting in a hammer more similar to the old one, but having a softer interior. I stand by saying that the new one is still good, just not for everything without a lot of breaking in. In truth, yes newer tools suck more than old ones, yes. But a shit tool you treat as an extension of yourself is always more useful than a mythical relic in the hands of a novice.
le soucis n'est pas la qualité de l'acier, mais uniquement la trempe.... j'ai eu des outils chinois qui se déformaient vite, j'ai juste eu à les retremper pour qu'ils deviennent très bon....
It's funny, my dad and I have been reusing my great grandpa's axe-head at the hunt camp. Just swapping the handles and keeping it sharp. I've tried a lot of axes for camping, and even the 'fancy' and 'modern' Fiskars axes go so dull, or crack after the Canadian winter. The only axe that's as reliable as my great grandad's has been a Gransfors Bruk splitter. Lasts the winters and doesn't crack or anything when we go back to the camp.
Thins are made to break so you can buy new ones. Also it's cheaper to make, so more profit is attained. That sucks, I would love to purchase modern items with the quality of old
The axe was the most impressive IMO - it was softest further back with increasing hardness toward the cutting edge of the blade. That's exactly like old swords and axes were designed to be in order to retain their shape and edge while resisting shattering on impact. It's rare to see it demonstrated so clearly.
I'll bet the old axe would keep an edge far longer than the new one. It would be interesting to find out if that's true; I know some new cheap knives are pretty good at keeping an edge, which surprised me, but then metal technology has gotten better.
@@deniswauchope3788 Doesn't help he's using one of the cheapest axes he could find. Same with the sledge. Though that one means a whole lot less to me, anything a sledge is used on it's the impulse force of the material that really matters not sustained stress. I've hit an i-beam encased in concrete before with a solidly built sledge, they chip and take damage. The new ones just keep going. *shrug* Part of it is we got better at designing things for their actual use case.
@deniswauchope3788 It depends on the steel used. High quality modern steel will hold an edge much better than older steels. You get different grades of steel and their properties are quite different.
The old sledge looks like it is forged and had a bit more quality to it , looking at the axe comparison , the older axe broke the handle off quickly , but when the blade itself was pressed , it appeared to do a good job keeping its edge , which makes me wonder if it was treated with some hard facing .
Not only kept its edge better but the rest of the blade stayed true. It didn't look like it bent. All of the damage seemed to be where it wrapped around the handle instead.
Higher grade steel used, more carbon in the older items. The first sledgehammer test thou I have some fault with as beyond a doubt it's higher grade steel used in the older sledgehammer, but it was also cold work hardened as you can plainly see from the mushrooming on both sides. That old sledgehammer is probably close to a Vickers hardness of at least 8-10. Cold hardening/work hardening is by far better than hot. Hot is just quicker and cheaper to accomplish. That sledgehammer's probably seen 20-40 years of use.
Vickers hardness of 8-10is as soft as butter.... Tool steel like this would have a vickers hardness of about 300-500. But you can't say the workharding made it stronger all the way through since workharding only applies to the very surface
If you want a good sledge hammer, put a fiber glass handle in the old one! The best of both, less shock, more impact. I use an older sledge with a fiberglass handle with steel wedges to split large wood rounds for firewood. Works well.
Those "modern" sledgehammer and axe seem to be made from stainless steel. Of course they are softer. Plus there is a bias - since those "old" tools survived till this day, this can mean they were one of the best of their time.
Yeah but the old tools have also aged to the point where they're damaged by time , wear and use. The new tools have only manufacturing being their problem
Yeah, people just fucking love to say things used to be better, I guess they feel smarter, but the fact is that the newer hammer will probably survive to oxidation and it's made to work in different conditions that the older.
This is why I treasure the antique tools handed down by my father to me, some of which belongs to my grand father right from the second world war . .(old tools are made from virgin metals directly from the ore while most modern tools (except premium ones) are made from mixed recycled metals).
Chinese use cheap inferior steel, you can literally watch videos of guys bending rebar with their hands that is suppose to be support for skyscraper columns. I am also going to assume that the Chinese made hammer is not heat treated and then annealed. The steel probably contains high amounts of sulfur which makes steel brittle. Trust USA made steel products, all tested to high tolerances.
The quality of forged metal is always higher than that of stamped metal, if made properly. But, in absolute prices, tools were more expensive that days.
Doctor: Sir, how did you hurt yourself? CHP: Well I was using a hydraulic press to see how much pressure it would take to fold an axe up like a burrito.
Concrete massively increases with strength over time. Concrete is known to continue to cure for 100 years or more. Plus you have to factor in aggregate ratio and size.
Concrete is also made to suit the purpose it is getting used for, I agree the “modern concrete” didn’t appear to have any even pebble sized aggregate in it. It was probably just lime, a bit of quicklime and sand, sets fast and is ok for foot paths and stuff not for fortress walls.
It's a matter of the grade of the steel, as well as the density. We tend to make things less dense today so the tool in question can be lighter and cheaper, while still retaining functionality for its intended purpose. Also, those are cast steel parts, not forged- so as you can see, when put under high pressure, the steel doesn't just bend, it breaks. That's because cast anything has more brittle and weak areas than something that's been forged. Overall though, those cast tools are very strong and sturdy for their purpose, but when facing high pressures, they're brittle and break easily. Edit: My saying density and grade of steel impacts it is partially true. Grade is only an impact if it's some sub standard steel. Structure of the metal is a main factor (hardening another). Cast metal has a random, porous grain structure, while forged objects keep their grain structure tight. This results in the crystalline structure of forged parts being stronger than that of cast. Density can play a factor, but after a year of learning more, I wouldn't say it's a main one. There's also methods like hardening (talked about in replies and other comments). At the end of the day, this doesn't matter as long as you use the tool for its intended purpose.
There are also factors such as work hardening that can have a surprising effect although you can see the newer hammer head is an awful low grade piece judging by the pitting before it’s crushed.
Honestly, the mild steel from the chinese is safer in many ways because it wont shatter due to an explosive brittle failure mode. Users are typically the problem now adays.
Ok, as a welder/steel worker/fabricator, I was literally squinting when you were crushing the hammers 😂🤣daughter was laughing her butt off at me! Asaaaaand a little salty over what you did to the old axe 🤨🥃🥃🥃🥃seriously though, love the video 🍻👍
sorry but that 16ox hammer would not even remotely be seen as a framing hammer anymore more like a finish hammer due to its low weight lol . sorry spent 20+ working construction and demo to me anything under 28oz is hardly even a hammer to me
@@dobocsillag7007 i have several old axe blades around just need new handles and as for hammers i have everything from a TINY 4oz all the way up to a 16 pound sledgehammer i personally never us anything lower than 32oz for framing due to anything lighter NOT being able to sink the nails faster enough lol i prefer doing my job as fast as possible so a dinky hammer is not what i am going with lol
@@deathlyrose7911 i have many tools too, waiting to restore them. My grandparents was gardeners so i have a huge chest full of axes without handle, and many other old garden tools around the house. If i need a new tools, i just go to the barn and restore some of them 😂
@@dobocsillag7007 my grandfather was the same way never threw away a tool head if the handle was broken even have some tools of his that date back to i think his grandfather
I’m always impressed at the hardness of the press facings in these videos, they never seem to be damaged by the huge forces that they are repeatedly subjected to!
I like this video because there is a lot in the comments discussing stuff about materials and their uses. It's actually kind of great, based on the banter and discussion, it seems this is basically hardened/heat treated iron vs newer iron meant to absorb more impact and deform vs spontaneous failing, even though the spontaneous failing of the axe took a hell of a lot and I don't think any normal human could have every broken that axe by cutting trees in their entire lifetime with that axe, unless the trees have iron/metals embedded in their bark or something rofl.
It's so hard for us old guys to explain to the young people how crappy everything is now. And I don't just mean Manufacturing and chinesium made crap. Our country and culture has been degraded in the same way.
@@jasonnorthcutt4008 just show us youngsters videos like this and you don’t need to explain much, just wait for us to ask more about what you’d recommend for longevity
The reason the new hammer failed is because they are only face hardened rather than forged. Basically they take a plate of hardened steel and fireweld it to a soft steel back, this means the hammer is less likely to shatter when used This can be seen in how the axe fails by shattering rather than bending
Read down to your comment and think this is the first one I saw that is better than many others. You do not want tool to shatter with its blows. The modern axe was safer in this respect, the old sledge was better also. Note that as the new sledge was compressed not only did the paint flake off but so did the sides of the metal splintered. Not what you want when hitting something. Why carpenter hammers are always used with eye protection (or it should be in use) as you never know the failure point of the nail or hammer.
Just a note, the yield strength of mild steel is 200 MPa while the pressure gauge read a max of 20 MPa during the crush of the "new sledge". This is 10 times less than expected were the hammer head to be made of steel. While there is a hole in the middle of hammer head, this type of geometry results in an decrease of only tensile strength by only a maximum of 2 times. Further, the metal shown beneath the black paint after crushing is dull grey and slightly bluish in color, not the typical bright silver of steel. Because of these two things, I believe the first hammer is not made of steel. Instead I bet it is a homemade casting made of lead. Not only does this match the color of the material shown, but also the yield strength of lead is 18 MPa. This is exactly the stress value on the pressure gauge indicated when the hammer head started to fail. Still a fun video to watch though!
Yah, I'm at uni for material science engineering and actually just finished a project talking about grain size to yield strength ratios, and even at very unrealistically high grain sizes (so low strength) following the hall petch equation steel's yield strength sits at 100 or so MPa, so worst case scenario it deforms inelasticly at 5x what the gage shows.
I personally wouldn't argue that it's a cheap Chinese hammer . It's soft and easily broken . Been there broke that . As u are obviously educated on the the topic u should know making tool steal etc is a art form and can easily manipulated on the side of profits . It's a numbers game theses. Companies are banking joe blogs going it was cheap I was abusive towards it, or it had a good run it lasted a few years. (Really it did 2 jobs ) , 99 times outa 100 it's not returned.
Long winded comment but if you're interested; I work with concrete as a career. The problem with the concrete test is that the "modern" concrete didn't have any aggregate in it. That's the gravel and sand you see when you chip open the surface of your driveway. The "antique" concrete is still considered to be modern seeing as concrete was invented in Rome way back, which actually hardens in salt water whereas today's concrete will degrade in salt water. We lost that old Roman recipe. Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that concrete hardens over a course of time and is completely set within a few months. Also, we put steel rods in our concrete today to give further flexibility to the mixture. There are a ton of other factors, like water/cement ratio and the sand/gravel ratio, the number of pounds of cement that goes into the mix per yard also, the quality of the limestone, which reacts with the water to create an exothermic reaction turning the limestone into another compound and "gluing" the gravel and sand. The first block of "modern" concrete could've easily reached 18tons/psi if mixed and aged correctly and could've been on par with the "antique" concrete.
They found that the Roman concrete for sea water had volcanic stuff added to it. The chemical reactions betwen the concrete and the volcanic ash and rock enhanced the strength of the concrete.
Old Hammer - soak it in vinegar then restore it, then get a new handle. It should last a lifetime or two. Old axe - break out the welder for areas that broke, re-temper, sharpen and add a new handle. That blade took the least damage, so once repaired it should last a long time. Old concrete - yeah find out what it was made out of and if you need concrete use that formula. Probably a Roman Concrete using volcanic ash, lime, and seawater. A lot better than the commercial concrete we use today.
Old hammer was repaired about two months ago, I didn't see old axe anywhere now. Also this concrete was created in Russian Empire. This channel is a copy of Crazy Russian Experiments. Nowadays we use DIY 500 tons press.)
The old concrete is good because the ratio of sand, aggregate, water, and concreting ash is correct, the size of the aggragate also plays a huge roll and should be the size of anywhere from large blueberries to large grape size but idealy the latter is a better option, concrete these days has a cheap pea gravel aggregate that's usually not mined but instead dredged off shore or in other bodies of water or on coasts, its cheaper that way instead of hand picking rocks that are the right size
As someone with a decent bit of engineering and metallurgical knowledge, a lot of the comments stick out as being uninformed. The difference between the manufacturing of a lot of modern tools and older tools is pretty significant. Older metal tools are usually higher density and made of heavy steels or cast iron that have a higher toughness than lower density steels used for a lot of modern tools. Comparing the two periods' tools by the nature and extent of which they deform under immense pressure isn't helpful in any real-world application, as that kind of situation just isn't going to happen. In many cases it's a better tradeoff to sacrifice a little durability for a cheaper and more lightweight tool. To put it simply, it's the same reason you don't build a tank out of the thickest and heaviest armor plating you can find. Sure, it might be the most durable vehicle in existence, but can it even move? Good material choice is all about determining the best intersection of durability, functionality, and practicality, and that's where I take issue with assertion that tools were all-around better "back in the day".
as a dude who's dad is a blacksmith im pretty sure the major difference is there's a high chance the old tools in the video are forged instead of cast iron, thus the crystalline structure of the metal is retained giving it much more strength
As ferramentas de antigamente eram feitas de matérias extraídos diretamente da natureza. Exemplo: marretas e martelos feitos do minério de ferro. Hoje em dia a maioria das ferramentas que utilizam ferro são de materiais reciclados, por isso são mais frágeis.
Went exactly as expect. I seriously doubt someone was surprised by those results. But as for concrete, there isn't any other way. Especially if kept wet or in moist environment it gets stronger over time.
I still do concrete like the older times, more cement. When you have to remove the concrete, an older friend of mine teached me how to mix it properly, you are basically fucked up 🤣🤣🤣 Because one time we had to remove concrete on his property, he told me that he made it. I looked at him like, you are kidding me...... Because I knowed. Was fun to remove. And we had good machines to remove it. Usually u use 1/3 but we use 1/1 cement/sand ratio 😬
Same I bought tons of old tools. I have a old duct work hammer that has been the best I've ever had and it still had the company logo on it being like 70years old.
Cool video! I would have liked to see the modern concrete be a better quality block. That one looked really sandy for some reason and not what I've observed with modern concrete.
Most concrete IS really sandy in modern times. They don't make concrete this day and age the way they SHOULD make it. It is rare that they make concrete as hard and durable as it should be and is usually reserved for certain floors like hospital operating rooms or the inner most section of bunkers. All other kinds of concrete you see typically have more sand in them and are a softer rock for lack of any better descriptor. Are they load bearing? They have a I beams in them then typically and the concrete is just being used as a sheath.
The sledgehammers looked to be made of entirely different metals imo, not to mention the older one has definitely seem its fair share of work hardening based on the mushroomed edges. As for the concrete, again different compositions, but it's also well known that concrete only gets tougher as time goes on. My burned out sds bits can attest to that one lol.
I don't know much about concrete, but I know that modern, civil use concrete will never compare against high strength military concrete. They measure entirely differently, specifically in these kinds of tests. One has to survive skateboards, the other has to survive direct hits from naval artillery. A better test would be modern military concrete, say from a nuclear missile silo or bunker, vs the old fortress concrete. I doubt your press is strong enough for either, though.
There's not much difference between the "military" concrete and what's used for the foundations of large buildings. Silos will use thick concrete to line the outer diameter of a thinner inner diameter of the bunker. It's just more cost effective to do it that way. But yeah, you use concrete for it's compressive qualities, not for it's endurance to a quick heavy blow, that's what you'd use metal for.
some of those old German air defense towers took amazing poundings and didnt break down like you would expect, genuinely crazy strong, a buddies company has been trying for years to get the govt to let them buy one and re-open it, and outfit it as both office space and a museum space as well, nobody involved is a nazi, but a bunch of structural engineers who would love to give it a once over from the inside out... so many old structures built so much better then today... its astounding honestly.
something to think about concrete as well is that it hardens over time, so if you would hop into a time machine and compare modern concrete thats been hardened for over 100 years (impossible I know) it would blow the old concrete completely out of the water
"Blauer Beton" is a name for the concrete used in WW2 by the germans for building bunkers. It has a bigger part of slag sand which causes the concrete to turn blue while hardening. Makes it brittle, but stronger. The brittle-part you counter with enough steel reinforcement. Made such by myself, not on purpose, some years ago while renovatig my house. Had to remove parts of it again and a master mason, who 'helped me' told me what i did there.
@@goodcitizen48040 Cast (crucible) steel and cast iron are completely different lmao. The steel is first casted and the forged, while you wouldn't even see cast iron due to its brittleness and microporosity.
@Jason Nass Blacksmith the fuck are you on about? I was correcting the guy saying that cast steel is weaker because crucible steel is first casted and then forged. And they were most likely using A36 mild steel that wasn't strain hardened or heat treated, and your point is?
@Jason Nass Blacksmith no shit. Nobody’s talking about the fact that the old one is made properly just because it’s old. We’re just saying that cast iron (from which the new one was made) is weaker than forged iron. And if you know anything about steel it should be obvious that you have to harden and then anneal the tool in such a way to get the right amount of hardness and brittleness you want
Te new concretes can resist tensión above 30MPa easily (there are high resistance concretes with 100MPa), supposing this block has 15*15 cm, its taking only 2.6MPa. I think its only sand and have a high relation whater/cement (low cement quantity)
I wouldn't be surprised if the old tools were die struck, making them far harder than cast tools. Casting is easier, but if you need a lot of high quality then die striking makes great tools.
new tools are made with steel that has fillers in it to reduce cost, also old tools were made to last where new tools are made to fail so there is more demand.
Agreed, but if companies built tools to last, they'd go broke. This world we live in (like it or not) is the biggest era of waste in history, only recently have we realised how much, and are taking measures to help fix it, albeit ever so slowly.
Yeah they mix the steel with things like aluminium because if it's 50% steel 50% aluminium you can basically make 2 axes and still sell it as a steel axe. Back in the 60s it was 100% steel.
@@stevekirby9797 are you kidding craftsman before it was bought out did just that they made great tools AND had a life time replacement IF you broke one but since KMART bought out sears and craftsman it is now recycled SHIT metal that i as somebody who grew up in the scrap industry do not even consider METAL really because TIN is stronger than some of the crap being sold today
Damn man, this stuff is great, have you considered using different background music? Maybe it’s just me, but that stuff makes anything near unwatchable. And it’s just not the same without sounds
They still can make strong equipments, but that way it will not break and people will not buy new things because old things will last long and businesses would go bankrupt. So, you have to make things which break in 2-3years
I AM VERY SICK I WILL DIE IF I DONT GET TREATMENT IN TIME I AM UNABLE TO TREAT MYSELF IN MY COUNTRY AS I AM NOT SAFE HERE I LIVE IN PAKISTAN PLEASE MAKE IT VIRAL HELP SUPPORT AS SOON AS U CAN I AM NOT DECIEVING NOR LIEING
Goes to show that the grand pops knew how to make real tools not the Mickey Mouse junk we have now. This is why you get a lot failures. When ever I come across old tools I keep them. Grew up in the 50’s and have a lot of my dads tools. He had a tool and die shop and taught me a lot about heat treating for hardness and a lot of other things. Even had me doing oxy welding when I was about 12 and I’m a daughter. Miss my dad.
Yes. Different times - different approach. Older items were made to last, because cost and effort needed to make them was much higher. A blacksmith could make maybe two hundreds axe heads per year? Probably less, if we are realistic. In the same time modern factory can churn out several thousands axes in the same time.
You can see that modern materials are designed to be more ductile than older materials. The one positive aspect to this is that before the modern items fail, they tend to deform first. This’ll give you a chance to remedy the situation before something drastic happens.
It may just be that the my are cheaper to produce. You provide an interesting point, but we do not know without talking to the companies who designed those products the specific reasons why.
🐮💩 old sledge was made from a tool steel new one cheap steel 🤷♀️ if you’ve never owned a decent hammer you’d never know , not that you can’t get good new stuff you just have to buy from a decent tool maker.. estwing etc …
Does metal get hot when it gets crushed and distorted by that thing? Did that Chinese hammer get hot when it got distorted by the press, or did it stay the same temp?
I went to a couple of hardware stores, ACE and others (even Lowes) to purchase an AX. Each one I looked at the handels was made in the USA and the heads were either made in Mexico or China. . I ended up purchasing a USA handle and found a good old USA AX head at a Flea Market.
2 things: different engineering and different materials. Beside the comparing of what could be a premium tool vs a cheap one since you don't know the brand of the old one(100k BMW and 10k Nissan Micra) : 1. Old tools needed to be made more rigid and hardened throughout because the technology of differential heat treatment and materials to apply it on was out of reach. 2. I would argue that a tool with a soft body and strong edge (hammer or axe) makes it a composite material tool, able to absorb shocks and stress better, and keep the edge sharp still, thus making it a better tool. Same principle as a Japanese sword. Strong edge, flexible spine. This test shows that older tools perform better then new ones under a hydraulic press, which is not what they where meant to do. An apple will be even easier to squash yet it would keep me more nourished than a brick.
Modern practices involve "planned obsolescence" so you keep buying products from a company. Higher Quality now is just longer lasting rather than better built. I mean I guess it is fair too. Why buy a new Axe when your one form 25 years ago still works like it's brand new. It makes sense and keeps the economy going. If you keep getting paid when you don't need to buy anything anymore. What's stopping everyone from starting a business? But what happens when everyone already buys everything they ever needed. Those businesses die and people no longer get paid. causing a whole economic crash 😎 Why compare apple to brick. 2 Separate things. He compared 2 of the same things from a different time. Also with more engineering we just found out the weakest and cheapest way of building things(that still hold in a safe manner), besides building the strongest and most expensive, the cheaper way is just more efficient. Putting less time and money into a product gives more profit.
They picked the cheapest possible new hammer. A majority of new products will last longer, and do more for less money. You can get a high quality 18V brushless for a couple hundred bucks that will last thousands of hours. The hand tools are more comfortable and efficient then they ever have been.
Cela me rappelle le marteau irlandais : 100 ans, trois manches et deux têtes et toujour neuf! Mis à part cette blague, nos anciens fabriquaient pour durer, maintenant, on fabrique pour vendre...
my family has tons of old tools that we still use fairly regularly, we literally don't even know how old they are because they've been in the family for up to 4+ generations some of them, the assumption is 60s at the youngest late 1800s at the oldest for most of them but many have been dated to the 1920s after a little research, just yesterday me and my dad sharpened one of our axes and chopped firewood with it, still great decades and decades, lifetimes down the line. to say these were built to last is a understatement they just don't die
The difference between the new and old is the making process and a materials...to day they are more focus on the appearance not the capacity of a material.
Looks like it was a low cost hammer, but Chinese also make some more qualitative products, I'd like a quality Chinese hammer to compare, to complete this test. I agree that most of old tools will be better than most of similar tools from today, but if you put the price today, you can have better than the best they could do in the past...
The new was probably casted in mass production out of cast iron. The old was definitely forged by hand and yeah they definitely don’t make them like they used to.
Regressão na tua cabeça, deve ser mais um dos que falam que carros antigos são melhores pq não amassavam como os de hoje, daí não sabe nem o motivo disso
I think they meant the quality control of a lot of things. Not that back then everything was 100% Gucci and today is trash lol. But its true, the quality of a lot of stuff has gone down with modern manufacturing. But at the gain of things being more widely available to the masses. It's both a win and a lose.
это не регресс а намеренное ухудшение качества для того что бы люди постоянно покупали вышедшее из строя , все просто мы производим вы покупаете у производителя есть постоянный рынок сбыта и прибыль из которой и платится зарплата рабочим которые и покупают потом не очень качественный товар . а что бы вы понимали в чем собственно дело в 1900 году население планеты было около 1.6 миллиарда сейчас около 8ми. то есть в пять раз больше а промышленный потенциал за это время вырос в десятки раз и вот именно по этому тогда качество и долговечность были на первом месте а сейчас для того что бы обеспечивать всех работой , пожалуй намеренно занижается качество .
@@user-zw6fn5fy6b У старой кувалды,закалка скорее всего полная,по объёму,а у более современной калится только 20 мм бойка.Говорю как человек,который изготавливает такие кувалды.
Just proves that effort, care and time can really increase all products. If something is made quick and efficient it losses that strength and durability because sometimes, it requires patience to create things that last forever
The new tools are designed like that to be safer, the older ones have much more carbon in their composition so they’re stronger but more brittle. The new tools are made of stainless steel so they’ll bend and deform instead of chipping and cracking
@@tentyone2149 no. They'll never be under enough force to fracture like that under normal work conditions. The only reason stainless steel is used in Chinese products is bc it's cheap to make. And they also don't heat treat their steel. It has nothing to do with safety. It took over 20 tons to fracture the carbon steel
It's just because one is really old and one is brand new.... Just because something is made quickly and efficiently doesn't it's bad. Like if you spend a week building a hammer out of cardboard vs a day building it out of plastic, the plastic will be much better.
@@CyberMaster86 again, that took 20 *tons*. That's 40,000 lbs of pressure. The amount of force to break that with somewhat near human body capability would be if the Hulk were to be trying to use it. The wood handle would've shatter to a million pieces before that axe ever would have chipped or cracked.
É porque a primeira marreta, a antiga, era ferro fundido. A segunda, a mais nova, quando foi mostrada, já deu pra ver que o metal não foi fundido, apenas moldado, cheio de rachaduras e lacunas.
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"Don't repeat this at home"
*Me slowly putting back my hydraulic press in my pocket*
@@fisusolina7315 liar
Caught in 180p.
@@keegany4r176 yes
@@fisusolina7315 What the fuck
That was me too 😿
Finally its proves that..OLD IS GOLD
And New is cheap .
Ya it's true
Well yes. But it's the way it was made which makes it better not necessarily when it was made.
To be fair that "new" one did look to be pretty low quality, would like to see how a more reputable brand would hold up. Obviously neither were hardened steel, a hatchet should definitely break well before it is able to bend that far
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As a civil engineer, this material at 8:27 is not concrete; it's mortar. The difference lies in the absence of coarse aggregate in this mixture. However, the old block we can see contains coarse aggregate, making it a concrete structure.
yeah i agree. the added rock makes it much stronger. makes me question the authenticity of the whole video really.
I'll wait for a second opinion from an uncivil engineer, if it's all the same to you
@@MyPalJimbo what's a uncivil engineer?
@@stevendunnuck it's like a civil engineer but it insults you and uses foul language
@@MyPalJimbo ah I get it
I love how the editing always leaves just enough in that you can see the axes casually obliterating the studio.
This is hardened iron vs soft iron. The older one is made to last, but will bounce and transfer all the shock of a blow to your hand, wrist and arm when striking a hard surface, and if it fails it will shatter. The newer one isn't hardened, but is made to absorb more of the impact and not bounce back as hard. The downside is obviously that it can deform and will get gouged with use. They're both good tools, but shouldn't be used to do the same job.
Edit: Since people still see this I should clarify that the newer one would work harden with regular use, aligning the crystalline structure and resulting in a hammer more similar to the old one, but having a softer interior. I stand by saying that the new one is still good, just not for everything without a lot of breaking in. In truth, yes newer tools suck more than old ones, yes. But a shit tool you treat as an extension of yourself is always more useful than a mythical relic in the hands of a novice.
le soucis n'est pas la qualité de l'acier, mais uniquement la trempe.... j'ai eu des outils chinois qui se déformaient vite, j'ai juste eu à les retremper pour qu'ils deviennent très bon....
@@stylmaxiop8806 Klar ich schreib jetz was auf französisch damit man es extra übersetzen muss. XD
Peut-etre apprendes anglais?
@@gottingenundumgebung199 les traducteurs c'est pas fait que pour les chiens ...lol
@@stylmaxiop8806 Immo vero, Latine colloquamur
@@stylmaxiop8806 yea true
It's funny, my dad and I have been reusing my great grandpa's axe-head at the hunt camp. Just swapping the handles and keeping it sharp. I've tried a lot of axes for camping, and even the 'fancy' and 'modern' Fiskars axes go so dull, or crack after the Canadian winter. The only axe that's as reliable as my great grandad's has been a Gransfors Bruk splitter. Lasts the winters and doesn't crack or anything when we go back to the camp.
Gransfors are 👌
I also have a Gränsfors hatchet, the carpenter one. It's a standard in my woodworking, nothing else can compare to it.
They are crappy nowadays, so they will break easier and make u buy a new one.
Thins are made to break so you can buy new ones. Also it's cheaper to make, so more profit is attained. That sucks, I would love to purchase modern items with the quality of old
Canaduh is communist now I wouldn't expect much...
The axe was the most impressive IMO - it was softest further back with increasing hardness toward the cutting edge of the blade. That's exactly like old swords and axes were designed to be in order to retain their shape and edge while resisting shattering on impact. It's rare to see it demonstrated so clearly.
It isn't that impressive, pretty much every knife or cutting tool out there is designed the same way.
I'll bet the old axe would keep an edge far longer than the new one. It would be interesting to find out if that's true; I know some new cheap knives are pretty good at keeping an edge, which surprised me, but then metal technology has gotten better.
@@deniswauchope3788 Doesn't help he's using one of the cheapest axes he could find. Same with the sledge. Though that one means a whole lot less to me, anything a sledge is used on it's the impulse force of the material that really matters not sustained stress. I've hit an i-beam encased in concrete before with a solidly built sledge, they chip and take damage. The new ones just keep going. *shrug* Part of it is we got better at designing things for their actual use case.
@deniswauchope3788 It depends on the steel used. High quality modern steel will hold an edge much better than older steels. You get different grades of steel and their properties are quite different.
yeah doesn't mean much when the old stuff is compared ot the cheapest modern equilvalent possible.
That Old ax wasn't playin with you! 😂
"Don't repeat this action in home"
Yes, we have hydraulic press at our home.
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@@legosi3117 you have?
imagine what a 100 years old hidraulic press can do
What, compared to a Chinese hydraulic press? Probably still outperform….
100 year old press vs new press.
This is why I came here 😂
lmfao
In other words, 50 Amish guys? Probably more than this video
Hey that's great! I always wanted a compact sledge hammer that I could use in a tight spot! 😁
The old sledge looks like it is forged and had a bit more quality to it , looking at the axe comparison , the older axe broke the handle off quickly , but when the blade itself was pressed , it appeared to do a good job keeping its edge , which makes me wonder if it was treated with some hard facing .
Many companies used to heat treat the cutting edge to retain the sharp edge. You can see it on some old axe heads.
Not only kept its edge better but the rest of the blade stayed true. It didn't look like it bent. All of the damage seemed to be where it wrapped around the handle instead.
*The old hammer has been 'work hardened' from years of use. The new hammer has not.*
This brings to a whole new meaning of "old is gold".
(edit: guys this is just a joke)
Right and "they don't make it like they used to".
but if it's actual 24K gold it will be like the new ones. 24K gold is really soft.
Ok but what are you doing that you are putting even 1 ton of pressure on your hammer
Its because is Chinese product this communists never done something good
I was gonna saw that
Higher grade steel used, more carbon in the older items.
The first sledgehammer test thou I have some fault with as beyond a doubt it's higher grade steel used in the older sledgehammer, but it was also cold work hardened as you can plainly see from the mushrooming on both sides.
That old sledgehammer is probably close to a Vickers hardness of at least 8-10. Cold hardening/work hardening is by far better than hot. Hot is just quicker and cheaper to accomplish.
That sledgehammer's probably seen 20-40 years of use.
and made in a forge/anvil instead of molded
If I also believe that the iron of the old hammer is stronger
I’m in my 60s & still using my grandfather’s hammer. About 30 years ago replaced the original handle with hand carved hickory one & all is good.
had a bigger size handle too, so there's probably less metal at the weakest part in the old hammer
Vickers hardness of 8-10is as soft as butter.... Tool steel like this would have a vickers hardness of about 300-500. But you can't say the workharding made it stronger all the way through since workharding only applies to the very surface
I feel like that first axe formerly known as would still make a heck of a battle club
If you want a good sledge hammer, put a fiber glass handle in the old one! The best of both, less shock, more impact. I use an older sledge with a fiberglass handle with steel wedges to split large wood rounds for firewood. Works well.
Those "modern" sledgehammer and axe seem to be made from stainless steel. Of course they are softer. Plus there is a bias - since those "old" tools survived till this day, this can mean they were one of the best of their time.
Yeah but the old tools have also aged to the point where they're damaged by time , wear and use. The new tools have only manufacturing being their problem
@@NoNoseProduction Metal don’t age.
@@priyamupadhyay9497 yes. Yes it does.
Yeah, people just fucking love to say things used to be better, I guess they feel smarter, but the fact is that the newer hammer will probably survive to oxidation and it's made to work in different conditions that the older.
Definitely not stainless steel. Lol.
This is why I treasure the antique tools handed down by my father to me, some of which belongs to my grand father right from the second world war . .(old tools are made from virgin metals directly from the ore while most modern tools (except premium ones) are made from mixed recycled metals).
Verdade!
Chinese use cheap inferior steel, you can literally watch videos of guys bending rebar with their hands that is suppose to be support for skyscraper columns. I am also going to assume that the Chinese made hammer is not heat treated and then annealed. The steel probably contains high amounts of sulfur which makes steel brittle. Trust USA made steel products, all tested to high tolerances.
@@Chevymonster203 Yeah besides using cheap materials they probably cut even worse corners than we even know at first
Same story with my son
The quality of forged metal is always higher than that of stamped metal, if made properly. But, in absolute prices, tools were more expensive that days.
Doctor: Sir, how did you hurt yourself?
CHP: Well I was using a hydraulic press to see how much pressure it would take to fold an axe up like a burrito.
That old hammer was well used. Thank you for your service.
Concrete massively increases with strength over time. Concrete is known to continue to cure for 100 years or more. Plus you have to factor in aggregate ratio and size.
Concrete is also made to suit the purpose it is getting used for, I agree the “modern concrete” didn’t appear to have any even pebble sized aggregate in it. It was probably just lime, a bit of quicklime and sand, sets fast and is ok for foot paths and stuff not for fortress walls.
I Rememeber about 1 month
Hence why Roman concrete is still around
This is real
Also olden days they use WSM method
It's a matter of the grade of the steel, as well as the density. We tend to make things less dense today so the tool in question can be lighter and cheaper, while still retaining functionality for its intended purpose. Also, those are cast steel parts, not forged- so as you can see, when put under high pressure, the steel doesn't just bend, it breaks. That's because cast anything has more brittle and weak areas than something that's been forged. Overall though, those cast tools are very strong and sturdy for their purpose, but when facing high pressures, they're brittle and break easily.
Edit: My saying density and grade of steel impacts it is partially true. Grade is only an impact if it's some sub standard steel. Structure of the metal is a main factor (hardening another). Cast metal has a random, porous grain structure, while forged objects keep their grain structure tight. This results in the crystalline structure of forged parts being stronger than that of cast. Density can play a factor, but after a year of learning more, I wouldn't say it's a main one. There's also methods like hardening (talked about in replies and other comments). At the end of the day, this doesn't matter as long as you use the tool for its intended purpose.
There are also factors such as work hardening that can have a surprising effect although you can see the newer hammer head is an awful low grade piece judging by the pitting before it’s crushed.
Menos Aristóteles!!
Also cheaper material means more money but not for the consumer because cheaper won't last have to buy more.
Thank you for this explanation!
Honestly, the mild steel from the chinese is safer in many ways because it wont shatter due to an explosive brittle failure mode. Users are typically the problem now adays.
We are living in an age of mediocrity.
Capitalism.
Yep ever since 2001
It was capitalism that produced all items.
Realll
Things were made to last trying life times back in the day and he handed down to the next generation. Everything is made to break today 😓
Ok, as a welder/steel worker/fabricator, I was literally squinting when you were crushing the hammers 😂🤣daughter was laughing her butt off at me! Asaaaaand a little salty over what you did to the old axe 🤨🥃🥃🥃🥃seriously though, love the video 🍻👍
These results represent some of the reasons why I cherish my older tools, including a 16oz framing hammer I have had for over 30 years.
sorry but that 16ox hammer would not even remotely be seen as a framing hammer anymore more like a finish hammer due to its low weight lol . sorry spent 20+ working construction and demo to me anything under 28oz is hardly even a hammer to me
@@deathlyrose7911 i have a 352oz hammer (10kg) 🤣🤣 and that hammer is older than me
@@dobocsillag7007 i have several old axe blades around just need new handles and as for hammers i have everything from a TINY 4oz all the way up to a 16 pound sledgehammer i personally never us anything lower than 32oz for framing due to anything lighter NOT being able to sink the nails faster enough lol i prefer doing my job as fast as possible so a dinky hammer is not what i am going with lol
@@deathlyrose7911 i have many tools too, waiting to restore them. My grandparents was gardeners so i have a huge chest full of axes without handle, and many other old garden tools around the house. If i need a new tools, i just go to the barn and restore some of them 😂
@@dobocsillag7007 my grandfather was the same way never threw away a tool head if the handle was broken even have some tools of his that date back to i think his grandfather
I’m always impressed at the hardness of the press facings in these videos, they never seem to be damaged by the huge forces that they are repeatedly subjected to!
You mean repeatedly supposed to
@@RayNoxa13 Nope, I meant subjected to, e.g., to cause something or someone to experience something.
@@petcatznz thats weird
@@RayNoxa13 It’s not weird really, it’s just english.
@@petcatznz yes i know that
I like this video because there is a lot in the comments discussing stuff about materials and their uses. It's actually kind of great, based on the banter and discussion, it seems this is basically hardened/heat treated iron vs newer iron meant to absorb more impact and deform vs spontaneous failing, even though the spontaneous failing of the axe took a hell of a lot and I don't think any normal human could have every broken that axe by cutting trees in their entire lifetime with that axe, unless the trees have iron/metals embedded in their bark or something rofl.
My man was playing a dangerous game with the hatchets.
This takes the term “old reliable” to a whole new level
EDIT: Omg thanks for all the likes, ive never had this many🙂
Yeah
Yup
heh heh
It's so hard for us old guys to explain to the young people how crappy everything is now. And I don't just mean Manufacturing and chinesium made crap. Our country and culture has been degraded in the same way.
@@jasonnorthcutt4008 just show us youngsters videos like this and you don’t need to explain much, just wait for us to ask more about what you’d recommend for longevity
when he said chinese I knew what is winning in the sledgehammer battle.
The Chineezium metal was no match.
That's abit racist
Exactly I too
Well what can u expect from china product.?
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How to find out the pressure and speed of the hammer if we throw from 1 meter.
The reason the new hammer failed is because they are only face hardened rather than forged. Basically they take a plate of hardened steel and fireweld it to a soft steel back, this means the hammer is less likely to shatter when used
This can be seen in how the axe fails by shattering rather than bending
Read down to your comment and think this is the first one I saw that is better than many others. You do not want tool to shatter with its blows. The modern axe was safer in this respect, the old sledge was better also. Note that as the new sledge was compressed not only did the paint flake off but so did the sides of the metal splintered. Not what you want when hitting something. Why carpenter hammers are always used with eye protection (or it should be in use) as you never know the failure point of the nail or hammer.
interesting, I didn't know this
thank you
"Dont try this at home"
Slowly takes apart the hydraulic press I built to crush antique and modern objects
Sus
That is what the work press is for obviously
Son, my mind went to a very dark place when you put that fine old axe head under that press.
I didn't see the intro so I did it at home and now all my new stuffs are broken. Good that my old ones are still intact.
Just a note, the yield strength of mild steel is 200 MPa while the pressure gauge read a max of 20 MPa during the crush of the "new sledge". This is 10 times less than expected were the hammer head to be made of steel. While there is a hole in the middle of hammer head, this type of geometry results in an decrease of only tensile strength by only a maximum of 2 times. Further, the metal shown beneath the black paint after crushing is dull grey and slightly bluish in color, not the typical bright silver of steel. Because of these two things, I believe the first hammer is not made of steel. Instead I bet it is a homemade casting made of lead. Not only does this match the color of the material shown, but also the yield strength of lead is 18 MPa. This is exactly the stress value on the pressure gauge indicated when the hammer head started to fail. Still a fun video to watch though!
Big brains
Nop
Yah, I'm at uni for material science engineering and actually just finished a project talking about grain size to yield strength ratios, and even at very unrealistically high grain sizes (so low strength) following the hall petch equation steel's yield strength sits at 100 or so MPa, so worst case scenario it deforms inelasticly at 5x what the gage shows.
You are right boi
I personally wouldn't argue that it's a cheap Chinese hammer . It's soft and easily broken . Been there broke that . As u are obviously educated on the the topic u should know making tool steal etc is a art form and can easily manipulated on the side of profits . It's a numbers game theses. Companies are banking joe blogs going it was cheap I was abusive towards it, or it had a good run it lasted a few years. (Really it did 2 jobs ) , 99 times outa 100 it's not returned.
Long winded comment but if you're interested; I work with concrete as a career.
The problem with the concrete test is that the "modern" concrete didn't have any aggregate in it. That's the gravel and sand you see when you chip open the surface of your driveway.
The "antique" concrete is still considered to be modern seeing as concrete was invented in Rome way back, which actually hardens in salt water whereas today's concrete will degrade in salt water. We lost that old Roman recipe.
Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that concrete hardens over a course of time and is completely set within a few months. Also, we put steel rods in our concrete today to give further flexibility to the mixture. There are a ton of other factors, like water/cement ratio and the sand/gravel ratio, the number of pounds of cement that goes into the mix per yard also, the quality of the limestone, which reacts with the water to create an exothermic reaction turning the limestone into another compound and "gluing" the gravel and sand. The first block of "modern" concrete could've easily reached 18tons/psi if mixed and aged correctly and could've been on par with the "antique" concrete.
Totally correct, and if you put some Steel beans and mesh inside that cube, I would go exponentially higher
Also I’m pretty sure the first block was not cured yet, looked pretty wet on the inside to me.
@@enriquedossantos3283 steal beans and mash? ;)
I do concrete as well I’m glad someone had already mentioned that because that’s the first thing I thought of
They found that the Roman concrete for sea water had volcanic stuff added to it. The chemical reactions betwen the concrete and the volcanic ash and rock enhanced the strength of the concrete.
Would love to see a thermal camera on that
Dope ass offset sledge you got there now.....
The moment he said "new Chinese hammer", I already knew who won.
'Chinese' 🤣🤣
Exactly 😂
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This deserve 100k likes 😂
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Old Hammer - soak it in vinegar then restore it, then get a new handle. It should last a lifetime or two.
Old axe - break out the welder for areas that broke, re-temper, sharpen and add a new handle. That blade took the least damage, so once repaired it should last a long time.
Old concrete - yeah find out what it was made out of and if you need concrete use that formula. Probably a Roman Concrete using volcanic ash, lime, and seawater. A lot better than the commercial concrete we use today.
That ol' sledgehammer can last a lifetime or two you say?
I hope you mean civilization lifetimes
@@texanplayer7651 Providing the sledgehammer isn't left in the weather, a couple of centuries of more wouldn't be surprising.
Or recycle for $, but before going through all that trouble, just buy a better replacement so that you don't get work delays due to bright ideas.
Old hammer was repaired about two months ago, I didn't see old axe anywhere now. Also this concrete was created in Russian Empire.
This channel is a copy of Crazy Russian Experiments. Nowadays we use DIY 500 tons press.)
The old concrete is good because the ratio of sand, aggregate, water, and concreting ash is correct, the size of the aggragate also plays a huge roll and should be the size of anywhere from large blueberries to large grape size but idealy the latter is a better option, concrete these days has a cheap pea gravel aggregate that's usually not mined but instead dredged off shore or in other bodies of water or on coasts, its cheaper that way instead of hand picking rocks that are the right size
Nice new handle for your old hammer now😄
Can someone please tell me what kind of hydraulic press this is, I’d like to google it. I’m curious of the build and price. Thanks.
So this is why my grandpa says “They don’t make ‘em like they used to”
Now everything makes sense
Also not being racist but it was Chinese so it was cheaper Materials
@@Austin-kl7ho sad but true...almost everybody knows Chinese products are knockoffs...
sure they do, but people don't want to pay for it
As someone with a decent bit of engineering and metallurgical knowledge, a lot of the comments stick out as being uninformed.
The difference between the manufacturing of a lot of modern tools and older tools is pretty significant. Older metal tools are usually higher density and made of heavy steels or cast iron that have a higher toughness than lower density steels used for a lot of modern tools.
Comparing the two periods' tools by the nature and extent of which they deform under immense pressure isn't helpful in any real-world application, as that kind of situation just isn't going to happen. In many cases it's a better tradeoff to sacrifice a little durability for a cheaper and more lightweight tool.
To put it simply, it's the same reason you don't build a tank out of the thickest and heaviest armor plating you can find. Sure, it might be the most durable vehicle in existence, but can it even move? Good material choice is all about determining the best intersection of durability, functionality, and practicality, and that's where I take issue with assertion that tools were all-around better "back in the day".
Wdym my sledgehammer won’t be enduring 100 tons of force?
Also the shape of the two hammers, the force was more evenly spread on the older hammer
@@techsupport8997 I know, how unusual, it's something I regularly encounter 😂
My thoughts exactly while I was watching it.
as a dude who's dad is a blacksmith im pretty sure the major difference is there's a high chance the old tools in the video are forged instead of cast iron, thus the crystalline structure of the metal is retained giving it much more strength
As ferramentas de antigamente eram feitas de matérias extraídos diretamente da natureza. Exemplo: marretas e martelos feitos do minério de ferro. Hoje em dia a maioria das ferramentas que utilizam ferro são de materiais reciclados, por isso são mais frágeis.
Outro detalhe, a primeira marreta era de aço, já a nova, era de alumínio, não tem nem comparação dois materiais distintos.
The phrase "They don't make em like they used to" comes to mind 😂
Went exactly as expect. I seriously doubt someone was surprised by those results. But as for concrete, there isn't any other way. Especially if kept wet or in moist environment it gets stronger over time.
Yes, the older the concrete gets, the harder it gets.
The Romans made better concrete
Why it doesn't apply to cars😀
Yes, but if we want today we can create much stronger materials, like concretre almost as stromg as steel. Hammer and axe could be first rate too.
You need to work on your english…
This is exactly why I like to find old tools at antique shops, flea markets and yard sales..and that antique concrete, wow!
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I still do concrete like the older times, more cement.
When you have to remove the concrete, an older friend of mine teached me how to mix it properly, you are basically fucked up 🤣🤣🤣
Because one time we had to remove concrete on his property, he told me that he made it. I looked at him like, you are kidding me...... Because I knowed. Was fun to remove. And we had good machines to remove it. Usually u use 1/3 but we use 1/1 cement/sand ratio 😬
Same I bought tons of old tools. I have a old duct work hammer that has been the best I've ever had and it still had the company logo on it being like 70years old.
Yupz right getting old more strong ladies,
@@Petroschka1979 wasn't it the Romans who came up with that concrete? I know it's tough stuff!
"Do not repeat this at home"
Me: "Oh" *Slowly turns off my hydraulic press* 😂
Cool video! I would have liked to see the modern concrete be a better quality block. That one looked really sandy for some reason and not what I've observed with modern concrete.
Most concrete IS really sandy in modern times. They don't make concrete this day and age the way they SHOULD make it. It is rare that they make concrete as hard and durable as it should be and is usually reserved for certain floors like hospital operating rooms or the inner most section of bunkers. All other kinds of concrete you see typically have more sand in them and are a softer rock for lack of any better descriptor. Are they load bearing? They have a I beams in them then typically and the concrete is just being used as a sheath.
@@Nempo13 thanks for replying! I guess we balance longevity vs. cost these days.
The sledgehammers looked to be made of entirely different metals imo, not to mention the older one has definitely seem its fair share of work hardening based on the mushroomed edges. As for the concrete, again different compositions, but it's also well known that concrete only gets tougher as time goes on. My burned out sds bits can attest to that one lol.
It was 100 tons of weight... That's 20 elephants... The older ones handle didn't even break. 😳
That's what happens when you outsource things to China.
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Concrete weakens with age
I don't know much about concrete, but I know that modern, civil use concrete will never compare against high strength military concrete. They measure entirely differently, specifically in these kinds of tests. One has to survive skateboards, the other has to survive direct hits from naval artillery.
A better test would be modern military concrete, say from a nuclear missile silo or bunker, vs the old fortress concrete. I doubt your press is strong enough for either, though.
There's not much difference between the "military" concrete and what's used for the foundations of large buildings. Silos will use thick concrete to line the outer diameter of a thinner inner diameter of the bunker. It's just more cost effective to do it that way. But yeah, you use concrete for it's compressive qualities, not for it's endurance to a quick heavy blow, that's what you'd use metal for.
some of those old German air defense towers took amazing poundings and didnt break down like you would expect, genuinely crazy strong, a buddies company has been trying for years to get the govt to let them buy one and re-open it, and outfit it as both office space and a museum space as well, nobody involved is a nazi, but a bunch of structural engineers who would love to give it a once over from the inside out... so many old structures built so much better then today... its astounding honestly.
something to think about concrete as well is that it hardens over time, so if you would hop into a time machine and compare modern concrete thats been hardened for over 100 years (impossible I know) it would blow the old concrete completely out of the water
Remember, concrete continues to cure for about 100 years.
"Blauer Beton" is a name for the concrete used in WW2 by the germans for building bunkers. It has a bigger part of slag sand which causes the concrete to turn blue while hardening. Makes it brittle, but stronger. The brittle-part you counter with enough steel reinforcement. Made such by myself, not on purpose, some years ago while renovatig my house. Had to remove parts of it again and a master mason, who 'helped me' told me what i did there.
I jump of my seat with the old axe! 🤣🤣
You inspired me to buy a hydraulic press and now my friends have too! Gonna try this.
The old one is probably cast iron steel made to last forever, while the modern one is more steel graphite which far more brittle, but cheaper to make
I would argue, as I think that the old hammer might be forged and that’s why it is so strong
Cast is garbage forge steels have better strength...
@@goodcitizen48040 Cast (crucible) steel and cast iron are completely different lmao. The steel is first casted and the forged, while you wouldn't even see cast iron due to its brittleness and microporosity.
@Jason Nass Blacksmith the fuck are you on about? I was correcting the guy saying that cast steel is weaker because crucible steel is first casted and then forged. And they were most likely using A36 mild steel that wasn't strain hardened or heat treated, and your point is?
@Jason Nass Blacksmith no shit. Nobody’s talking about the fact that the old one is made properly just because it’s old. We’re just saying that cast iron (from which the new one was made) is weaker than forged iron. And if you know anything about steel it should be obvious that you have to harden and then anneal the tool in such a way to get the right amount of hardness and brittleness you want
7:40 at this point he regretted destroying such an amazing axe....rip you soldier you rip.
If welded properly it would hold off the life for a while while no one can really do anything with the modern axe it was made to look nice
And the best part of the axe is that the oxidized steel deals 50+ poison damage
it is interesting to see the effect that mass production has had on the quality on items, as well as the different advancements in the modern day tech
it's not that mass production has had any effect at all on quality. quality of items is entirely chosen by the company building them.
🔝Very interesting video🔝
The "new" concrete looked like it was only sand, while the "old" concrete had aggregate mixed in which would increase strength.
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@@user-di5bo1lr1o aggregate"
The old stuff probably had bad for health or environment stuff in it tbh lol back then there wasn't as many safety standards
The longer curing duration, the better the mixture will be lol
Te new concretes can resist tensión above 30MPa easily (there are high resistance concretes with 100MPa), supposing this block has 15*15 cm, its taking only 2.6MPa. I think its only sand and have a high relation whater/cement (low cement quantity)
I wouldn't be surprised if the old tools were die struck, making them far harder than cast tools. Casting is easier, but if you need a lot of high quality then die striking makes great tools.
new tools are made with steel that has fillers in it to reduce cost, also old tools were made to last where new tools are made to fail so there is more demand.
Agreed, but if companies built tools to last, they'd go broke. This world we live in (like it or not) is the biggest era of waste in history, only recently have we realised how much, and are taking measures to help fix it, albeit ever so slowly.
Yeah they mix the steel with things like aluminium because if it's 50% steel 50% aluminium you can basically make 2 axes and still sell it as a steel axe. Back in the 60s it was 100% steel.
@@DrewDubious New *cheap* tools* Hultafors makes one that I'm fairly sure is made more like they used to.
@@stevekirby9797 are you kidding craftsman before it was bought out did just that they made great tools AND had a life time replacement IF you broke one but since KMART bought out sears and craftsman it is now recycled SHIT metal that i as somebody who grew up in the scrap industry do not even consider METAL really because TIN is stronger than some of the crap being sold today
Things were better in the old days much much better good video
Damn man, this stuff is great, have you considered using different background music? Maybe it’s just me, but that stuff makes anything near unwatchable. And it’s just not the same without sounds
Now I fully understand the meaning of "they don't make them like they used to."
Imagine if the Era of the samurai, swords happened today, I wonder how fight would have happened.
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This is not a good video
rust is trust my friend
Old sledge hammer was made trough a lot of "Tempering" to make it durable, even swords are made through this process. blacksmith are really amazing.
They still can make strong equipments, but that way it will not break and people will not buy new things because old things will last long and businesses would go bankrupt. So, you have to make things which break in 2-3years
I AM VERY SICK I WILL DIE IF I DONT GET TREATMENT IN TIME I AM UNABLE TO TREAT MYSELF IN MY COUNTRY AS I AM NOT SAFE HERE I LIVE IN PAKISTAN PLEASE MAKE IT VIRAL HELP SUPPORT AS SOON AS U CAN I AM NOT DECIEVING NOR LIEING
@@KiranKhan-kz2dp Nani ?
@@dexxon9686 what Do u mean
@@KiranKhan-kz2dp you have to do it on your side
Goes to show that the grand pops knew how to make real tools not the Mickey Mouse junk we have now. This is why you get a lot failures. When ever I come across old tools I keep them. Grew up in the 50’s and have a lot of my dads tools. He had a tool and die shop and taught me a lot about heat treating for hardness and a lot of other things. Even had me doing oxy welding when I was about 12 and I’m a daughter. Miss my dad.
When the axe flew out I nearly jump out of my seat, now I know why I hold my breath every time I watch things getting pressed.
New axe: gets turned into a metal cheerio
Old axe: cuts the hydraulic press in two
Moral of the story :- *"OLD IS GOLD"* ✨⭐
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When ever I swing a sledgehammer I’m usually at a thousand pounds plus upon impact so I better stick with the old tools from my grandfather’s shed.
That was just awesome to watch
This is a perfect example of the term, "They don't make things like they used to."
Of course they also used to make a lot of things with asbestos as well...
You can still get high quality Handmade Tools today. Never buy cheap China Tools is the Lesson to learn here.
Made in China for you 🤣
Or, the older tools are just overbuilt. How many times will an axe need to be put under that pressure to do its job?
Yes. Different times - different approach. Older items were made to last, because cost and effort needed to make them was much higher. A blacksmith could make maybe two hundreds axe heads per year? Probably less, if we are realistic. In the same time modern factory can churn out several thousands axes in the same time.
You can see that modern materials are designed to be more ductile than older materials. The one positive aspect to this is that before the modern items fail, they tend to deform first. This’ll give you a chance to remedy the situation before something drastic happens.
It also reduces the forces transferred to your body when you hit a hard surface.
It may just be that the my are cheaper to produce. You provide an interesting point, but we do not know without talking to the companies who designed those products the specific reasons why.
@@MBergyman The general metallurgical differences between the materials hold true independent of the manufacturer's intent.
it also may be that some alloys tend to get harder when they age and therefore become more fragile
🐮💩 old sledge was made from a tool steel new one cheap steel 🤷♀️ if you’ve never owned a decent hammer you’d never know , not that you can’t get good new stuff you just have to buy from a decent tool maker.. estwing etc …
Does metal get hot when it gets crushed and distorted by that thing? Did that Chinese hammer get hot when it got distorted by the press, or did it stay the same temp?
I went to a couple of hardware stores, ACE and others (even Lowes) to purchase an AX. Each one I looked at the handels was made in the USA and the heads were either made in Mexico or China. . I ended up purchasing a USA handle and found a good old USA AX head at a Flea Market.
No one cares
Old is gold ☺️☺️
Yes
no old is diamond💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎
No, made in china is all duplicate ..
Of course
@@persian1228 right 💯☺️
2 things: different engineering and different materials.
Beside the comparing of what could be a premium tool vs a cheap one since you don't know the brand of the old one(100k BMW and 10k Nissan Micra) :
1. Old tools needed to be made more rigid and hardened throughout because the technology of differential heat treatment and materials to apply it on was out of reach.
2. I would argue that a tool with a soft body and strong edge (hammer or axe) makes it a composite material tool, able to absorb shocks and stress better, and keep the edge sharp still, thus making it a better tool. Same principle as a Japanese sword. Strong edge, flexible spine.
This test shows that older tools perform better then new ones under a hydraulic press, which is not what they where meant to do. An apple will be even easier to squash yet it would keep me more nourished than a brick.
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@@classicepisodesofcrimewatc9971 Balengu
Modern practices involve "planned obsolescence" so you keep buying products from a company. Higher Quality now is just longer lasting rather than better built.
I mean I guess it is fair too. Why buy a new Axe when your one form 25 years ago still works like it's brand new.
It makes sense and keeps the economy going. If you keep getting paid when you don't need to buy anything anymore. What's stopping everyone from starting a business?
But what happens when everyone already buys everything they ever needed. Those businesses die and people no longer get paid. causing a whole economic crash 😎
Why compare apple to brick. 2 Separate things. He compared 2 of the same things from a different time.
Also with more engineering we just found out the weakest and cheapest way of building things(that still hold in a safe manner), besides building the strongest and most expensive, the cheaper way is just more efficient. Putting less time and money into a product gives more profit.
"Do not repeat at home" I've got a industrial hydraulic press just sat in the back room gathering dust!!
How old was the modern cement block. How long was it cured before compressing?
And this is why we restore things. Old, quality items are irreplaceable.
Hydraulic press: I’ll SMUSH YOU!!!
Old axe: ima ruin this mans whole entire career
Nokia phones: you and me both
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
@@Brisingaro lol
That's why I value my old tools. They just need to be restored and looked after. Then they are better than any new tool.
I want to see a stilleto vs other heavy framing hammers.
Difference between 'make it last as long as possible' and modern day 'sell as many as possible'.
I agree, only 1 but unique than many but fragile
They picked the cheapest possible new hammer. A majority of new products will last longer, and do more for less money. You can get a high quality 18V brushless for a couple hundred bucks that will last thousands of hours. The hand tools are more comfortable and efficient then they ever have been.
Гениально!👏
Exactly! 👍
"Do not repeat at home"
Yes we all have hydraulic press at home.
lol
He meant for the people that do have one dumbass! No I’m just kidding. I was thinking the same thing lol
@@BMoney77 people having a hydraulic press at home definitely know how to use, why would they have it otherwise. So no it's not for them.
@@karthikmishra3188 r u blind m8? He just said he's just kidding bruh
@@wbacn I ain't. He just didn't have to be rude.
Hydraulic press is savage AF! Don’t take no prisoners! We need to see the ultimate showdown of Hydraulic Press vs Hydraulic Press lol.
Bro anytime old is gold ❤❤
Grind off the mushrooming metal, remove the rust, add a new hickory or ash handle and good for another 150 years.
Pretty true, those old sledge hammers are really durable and strong.
Cela me rappelle le marteau irlandais : 100 ans, trois manches et deux têtes et toujour neuf! Mis à part cette blague, nos anciens fabriquaient pour durer, maintenant, on fabrique pour vendre...
That's a different channel
my family has tons of old tools that we still use fairly regularly, we literally don't even know how old they are because they've been in the family for up to 4+ generations some of them, the assumption is 60s at the youngest late 1800s at the oldest for most of them but many have been dated to the 1920s after a little research, just yesterday me and my dad sharpened one of our axes and chopped firewood with it, still great decades and decades, lifetimes down the line. to say these were built to last is a understatement they just don't die
The difference between the new and old is the making process and a materials...to day they are more focus on the appearance not the capacity of a material.
Because many countries was influenced by chinese way of marketing.
Looks like it was a low cost hammer, but Chinese also make some more qualitative products, I'd like a quality Chinese hammer to compare, to complete this test. I agree that most of old tools will be better than most of similar tools from today, but if you put the price today, you can have better than the best they could do in the past...
More pricy
Old stuff is cheaper and better, sa me quality but different price
Minimum cost
Nice Flecktarn camo. Bundeswehr?
A prime example of quality over quantity.
The sledgehammer is a great representation of, “they just don’t make em like how they used to”
Yeah one looked Cast IRON, the other Chinese Cast Alluminum
You can still buy an iron sledgehammer. The difference is that the newer one is a discount hammer
And the old axe was literally made to work not look pretty it broke before it bent
The new was probably casted in mass production out of cast iron. The old was definitely forged by hand and yeah they definitely don’t make them like they used to.
@@Stickmister360 Things just arent built to last anymore, sooner they break the more you gotta buy :/
Спасибо! Лаконично,ёмко и наглядно! Сразу видно весь не прогресс, а регресс современной цивилизации.
Regressão na tua cabeça, deve ser mais um dos que falam que carros antigos são melhores pq não amassavam como os de hoje, daí não sabe nem o motivo disso
I think they meant the quality control of a lot of things. Not that back then everything was 100% Gucci and today is trash lol. But its true, the quality of a lot of stuff has gone down with modern manufacturing. But at the gain of things being more widely available to the masses. It's both a win and a lose.
это не регресс а намеренное ухудшение качества для того что бы люди постоянно покупали вышедшее из строя , все просто мы производим вы покупаете у производителя есть постоянный рынок сбыта и прибыль из которой и платится зарплата рабочим которые и покупают потом не очень качественный товар . а что бы вы понимали в чем собственно дело в 1900 году население планеты было около 1.6 миллиарда сейчас около 8ми. то есть в пять раз больше а промышленный потенциал за это время вырос в десятки раз и вот именно по этому тогда качество и долговечность были на первом месте а сейчас для того что бы обеспечивать всех работой , пожалуй намеренно занижается качество .
@@user-zw6fn5fy6b У старой кувалды,закалка скорее всего полная,по объёму,а у более современной калится только 20 мм бойка.Говорю как человек,который изготавливает такие кувалды.
The chinese hammer was calculated to break if you get hit by 20 tons, it's a safety feature.
Good job👍
Just proves that effort, care and time can really increase all products. If something is made quick and efficient it losses that strength and durability because sometimes, it requires patience to create things that last forever
The new tools are designed like that to be safer, the older ones have much more carbon in their composition so they’re stronger but more brittle. The new tools are made of stainless steel so they’ll bend and deform instead of chipping and cracking
@@tentyone2149 no. They'll never be under enough force to fracture like that under normal work conditions. The only reason stainless steel is used in Chinese products is bc it's cheap to make. And they also don't heat treat their steel. It has nothing to do with safety. It took over 20 tons to fracture the carbon steel
It's just because one is really old and one is brand new.... Just because something is made quickly and efficiently doesn't it's bad. Like if you spend a week building a hammer out of cardboard vs a day building it out of plastic, the plastic will be much better.
I trust the Chinese One more for a single reason, it wont chip or peixes Will Come out flying dangerously.
@@CyberMaster86 again, that took 20 *tons*. That's 40,000 lbs of pressure. The amount of force to break that with somewhat near human body capability would be if the Hulk were to be trying to use it. The wood handle would've shatter to a million pieces before that axe ever would have chipped or cracked.
Incrível como as coisas antigas são mais fortes.
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Todo hierro antiguo es más fuerte el nuevo no sirve
Eu tenho o marteloo rsrsrs
É porque a primeira marreta, a antiga, era ferro fundido. A segunda, a mais nova, quando foi mostrada, já deu pra ver que o metal não foi fundido, apenas moldado, cheio de rachaduras e lacunas.
@@ComandanteKrizalid bom saber
As coisa de antes usavam ferro mesmo, agora eles misturam
Ornn is loking and is happy with the coldfield hammer working better xD
Old > New. Congratz Grandpapa..you won this time
This is why, old is gold.
I still have my grandparent harmer which is still stronger than any harmer available in the market.
i am nigga harmer
@@belzebub2352 you go buddy