The dust or particles that are on the side of the record when is placed on the cork can stay there and when record flip over once the clean side touches the cork can be exposed to dirt, particles from the side that was exposed first without cleaning?? or you might recommend to clean first that side of the record, with your experience using this what will be your recommendation? Thanks always enjoy watching your video post
Good question Gerardo. There are a couple of ways to manage this. The first is to employ something like a GrooveTracer roller on the dirty side to pick up all the major particles. This isn't perfect but it works for many. The other option and best is to lay down a thin plastic sheet over the platter. Thus letting the dirty side come in contact with the plastic. Once the first side is cleaned, the plastic can be removed. The first side, which is cleaned, can be placed directly on the cork.
BarakaPDub yeah I just saw Mikeys video on that looks pretty cool for the money he likes it anyway I still like the spin-clean for cleaning records but you know he did mention using last preservative and I think I'm going to start using last again because you know I had a video where I showed all the residue in the bottom of the spin clean and it looked like a lot of broken little parts of the record so hopefully the last will prevent that
I am curious about the Last Preservative. I have never used it before. As with anything though, I start out as a bit of a skeptic as there is a lot of snake oil out there.
Nice machine and great video showing it off. A huge improvement over the VPI 16.5, and also over the Okki Nokki in that they are not made in China not Germany and people are having issues with their China made models. Cheers :)
Okki Nokki China made machines have a plastic arm wand and the wand expands over time and becomes stuck. Good choice on the VPI. I sold my Okki Nokki and went with a VPI also.
Sorry for missing your comment but if you're still looking, you can find it here: elusivedisc.com/vpi-mw-1-cyclone-basic-record-cleaner-package-120v/?srsltid=AfmBOopmNzoJdgvfTIs2GtcQlKm0_7zsHOJv35siyM5n9akZ3hqOXqkh
Also I never put an LP directly on the cork platter. I use mofi inner sleeves that I cut to the shape of the platter, 1 for each side of the LP. I then wipe them clean. Helps to cut down cross contamination.
+guitarman guitarman Good idea and this is something that HiFiVnylNws recommended as well. Once I saw him doing it, I did started the same. It also helps to preserve the cork underneath which is pretty cheap.
You mentioned that you rinse as the final cleaning. I use l'art du son cleaner. I think it is supposed to be okay without rinsing, but in my experience I get better results by rinsing with distilled water. You can get replacement felt pads from capitol collectibles. They come four to a pack for less than $20 if I remember correctly. I have a 16.5 which does a good job, but when it quits I am getting one like you have.
Thanks for the input on the pads. My method has changed since I made this video and I really need to make an update. I too am using distilled water now and for the cleaner, I have gone totally home brew. I shot a video long ago on making a batch but I never got around to editing or posting it ;) Maybe you comment is a little bit of a push for me to get it done.
I am looking forward to seeing it. I have thought about trying a different solution. L'art du son cleans good, but after a good while mold will start forming inside the bottle and you will see crud floating around. I don't know if that affects the cleaning results, but it looks bad.
1. all the grit on the B-side gets pushed into the record while cleaning the A-side 2. grit from the B-side contaminates the newly-cleaned A-side when it’s flipped over 3. if the rinse (not shown) volume is as minimal as the surfactant dosage then it’s not sufficient to remove all of the surfactant
Hello Del. Some advice for you on points 1 & 2. To get around the dirty side on the surface of the mat, you can use a sacrificial record mat or plastic sheet (cut to the form of a record). Place it down while cleaning side A and then remove it for side B. This way, you ensure side A never touches the crud from side B and vice versa. For point 3, the diluted surfactant and I mean diluted (25% of the total volume) will be removed on the rinse cycle. Moreover, the alcohol will totally evaporate.
@@BarakaPDubfor the price of that machine you shouldn't have to use a "hack". For that price it should actually have an additional hole with some of that vacuum to clean your skin flute!🙃
I use the manual method. But I guess I have to invest in a good cleaner like this one though. My experiences with manual methods is that there always stays behind some kind of gunk in the groove. Only problem I have with this one and the Okki Nokki is the noise they make. This one being quite silent if compared to the Okki Nokki that makes so much noise that a cleaning session is a real challenge if more than few records are to be treated. And cleaning records isn't exactly my hobby so I try to do as many as possible per session.
Yeah, all of the vacuum types are going to be pretty loud in general. With my VPI, I can only really use it when the family is out because of the noise The Spin-Clean does a great job for what it is but I have found the cleaning fluid left the records with a lot of static. It's also a bit overpriced but so are the vacuum machines. One of my future projects is to make a ultrasonic cleaner and I think you can make one of those cheaper than the Okki or my VPI. Likely for half the price of either two. If I had to give some advice to someone new cleaning records, it would be that rinsing with distilled water makes a huge difference.
Hmm. Is it a VPI? All VPIs should have a drain tube. Other models, have a removable tank. You really want to drain it, otherwise you run the risk of mold growth.
@@BarakaPDub Yes it's a VPI an older one I guess.. My big problem is the pin / screw in the center came out on me I think the hole is now too big. I got a few other Ideas I'm going to try.. I'll keep you posted.
I also use the audio intelligent vinyl solutions 3 step method. I generally leave the 1st step enzymatic cleaner on for between 3 to 5 minutes. I leave step 2 super formula on for 1 to 3 minutes.takes me about 15 to 20 minutes to clean one LP but the results or fantastic.
+guitarman guitarman Yeah...over time I discovered that you got to leave the Enzymatic cleaner on for several minutes to really make best use of the solution.
The problem of course is that when you flip it over to do the other side, the clean side is now in contact with the cork mat that just was against the dirty side, so you get gunk on the side you just cleaned. To avoid this, you need to have two cork mats around, one that only touches clean records and one that touches dirty ones.
In a similar vein, a method which I learned subsequently to making this video is to buy a thin sheet of plastic and cut it to the shape/size of the platter. For the first side being cleaned, you put the dirty side on the plastic and then when you flip you remove the plastic so the side that was just cleaned is now touching the clean cork. Additionally, I am going over the dirty side of the record with an Into The Groove roller prior to putting it down on the plastic. This gets rid of all of the larger size particles.
You can always take things too far. If its dust or lint then you can easily blow it off with air. Anything that is stuck to the record will likely remain stuck, imho...
Nice demo! I'm interested in this product but for life of me I can't figure out why they can't make a quiet motor. It sounds like a really bad grinding sound
+Frederick Clanahan Yeah. I don't get their thought process in the design. I mean my Kitchen Aid Mixer has a more powerful motor that won't shut down after kneading dough for an hour. I think the vacuum is probably a baseline Shopvac model retrofitted to work in the unit. I hate to knock to much because I am content but I know I could do a better job designing it at a lower cost. Thanks for watching.
+Frederick Clanahan I have a 16.5. And I wear ear protection when cleaning my records. They look like headphones and I bought them for when I am using power tools like saws. I highly recommend it. Vacuums are very dangerous to your hearing. Especially over time.
+Frederick Clanahan So for what it's worth...the folks that own the 16.5 feel like they are built like a tank and do the job. I have a friend that has been using his for a long time. The only issue is avoid the particle board housing from getting soaked. For example, I have forgotten to open the clamp on the drain tube and have had the internal waste tank overflow a couple of times. It is quite a difference just to get the metal housing and the forward and reverse capability. That said, I did feel it was quite the step up from the Spin Clean.
So I wouldn't go with this vacuum cleaner if you're on a budget. There are some cheaper models out there that do just as well. To VPI's credit though, these things are built like tanks.
Rather than heat I prefer a hard vinyl slightly dished mat with a matching clamp. 98% of the time the clamp makes it flat enough to play fine. And I notice that no one talks about turntable mats and clamps anymore. Somehow some knowledge has been lost. Just my two cents.
Good question for which I do not have an answer. The cork mat has been a complaint by many folks. Since it is bonded to the particle board, I think it might be best just to get a new platter. I do know the folks at VPI service their equipment so it would be best to ask if they would service your RCM. That said, I am surprised that they didn't bond something a little more durable to the particle board like a rubber mat. Better yet, having something that could be easily replaced would be great. Sorry I can't be of any help but thanks for watching.
@@BarakaPDub Good but I not live in USA so I can't return things, so is risky if the motor fails, also I prefer the manual rotation, the KAV cost $199.
wow - terribly noisy and slow process!!! I am using Record Doctor V and it is much quicker and as effective for $200. Why do you need motor and clamp to spin your record while cleaning???
Great job covering this guy bro!
Thanks for the kind words and watching! Loved your latest cable review by the way.
The dust or particles that are on the side of the record when is placed on the cork can stay there and when record flip over once the clean side touches the cork can be exposed to dirt, particles from the side that was exposed first without cleaning?? or you might recommend to clean first that side of the record, with your experience using this what will be your recommendation? Thanks always enjoy watching your video post
Good question Gerardo. There are a couple of ways to manage this. The first is to employ something like a GrooveTracer roller on the dirty side to pick up all the major particles. This isn't perfect but it works for many. The other option and best is to lay down a thin plastic sheet over the platter. Thus letting the dirty side come in contact with the plastic. Once the first side is cleaned, the plastic can be removed. The first side, which is cleaned, can be placed directly on the cork.
BarakaPDub thank you very much for your response, got it. Now I can make my decision to get a vinyl vacuum cleaner machine like this.
nice demo
Thanks for taking the time to watch! I feel honored.
Okay catching up very nice machine congratulations
While it's not a perfect design, I am content with it. I think the new Pro-Ject is going to give VPI a run for it's money.
BarakaPDub yeah I just saw Mikeys video on that looks pretty cool for the money he likes it anyway I still like the spin-clean for cleaning records but you know he did mention using last preservative and I think I'm going to start using last again because you know I had a video where I showed all the residue in the bottom of the spin clean and it looked like a lot of broken little parts of the record so hopefully the last will prevent that
I am curious about the Last Preservative. I have never used it before. As with anything though, I start out as a bit of a skeptic as there is a lot of snake oil out there.
I started using it 30 + years ago but now not using it any more.
I still have a little left in the bottle, it goes a long way.
Nice machine and great video showing it off. A huge improvement over the VPI 16.5, and also over the Okki Nokki in that they are not made in China not Germany and people are having issues with their China made models. Cheers :)
Okki Nokki China made machines have a plastic arm wand and the wand expands over time and becomes stuck. Good choice on the VPI. I sold my Okki Nokki and went with a VPI also.
Nice review!
Thank you! Cheers! Although, I really didn't know what the hell I was doing early on.
Where could i find find the dimensions of this unit?
Sorry for missing your comment but if you're still looking, you can find it here:
elusivedisc.com/vpi-mw-1-cyclone-basic-record-cleaner-package-120v/?srsltid=AfmBOopmNzoJdgvfTIs2GtcQlKm0_7zsHOJv35siyM5n9akZ3hqOXqkh
Also I never put an LP directly on the cork platter. I use mofi inner sleeves that I cut to the shape of the platter, 1 for each side of the LP. I then wipe them clean. Helps to cut down cross contamination.
+guitarman guitarman Good idea and this is something that HiFiVnylNws recommended as well. Once I saw him doing it, I did started the same. It also helps to preserve the cork underneath which is pretty cheap.
You mentioned that you rinse as the final cleaning. I use l'art du son cleaner. I think it is supposed to be okay without rinsing, but in my experience I get better results by rinsing with distilled water. You can get replacement felt pads from capitol collectibles. They come four to a pack for less than $20 if I remember correctly. I have a 16.5 which does a good job, but when it quits I am getting one like you have.
Thanks for the input on the pads. My method has changed since I made this video and I really need to make an update. I too am using distilled water now and for the cleaner, I have gone totally home brew. I shot a video long ago on making a batch but I never got around to editing or posting it ;) Maybe you comment is a little bit of a push for me to get it done.
I am looking forward to seeing it. I have thought about trying a different solution. L'art du son cleans good, but after a good while mold will start forming inside the bottle and you will see crud floating around. I don't know if that affects the cleaning results, but it looks bad.
Thought you were listening to Pink Floyd @ 6:59 ;)
+Chuck Norris Ha. I probably need to do this video entirely. I'm such an amateur. Nice attention to detail ;)
1. all the grit on the B-side gets pushed into the record while cleaning the A-side
2. grit from the B-side contaminates the newly-cleaned A-side when it’s flipped over
3. if the rinse (not shown) volume is as minimal as the surfactant dosage then it’s not sufficient to remove all of the surfactant
Hello Del. Some advice for you on points 1 & 2. To get around the dirty side on the surface of the mat, you can use a sacrificial record mat or plastic sheet (cut to the form of a record). Place it down while cleaning side A and then remove it for side B. This way, you ensure side A never touches the crud from side B and vice versa. For point 3, the diluted surfactant and I mean diluted (25% of the total volume) will be removed on the rinse cycle. Moreover, the alcohol will totally evaporate.
@@BarakaPDubfor the price of that machine you shouldn't have to use a "hack". For that price it should actually have an additional hole with some of that vacuum to clean your skin flute!🙃
I use the manual method. But I guess I have to invest in a good cleaner like this one though. My experiences with manual methods is that there always stays behind some kind of gunk in the groove. Only problem I have with this one and the Okki Nokki is the noise they make. This one being quite silent if compared to the Okki Nokki that makes so much noise that a cleaning session is a real challenge if more than few records are to be treated. And cleaning records isn't exactly my hobby so I try to do as many as possible per session.
Yeah, all of the vacuum types are going to be pretty loud in general. With my VPI, I can only really use it when the family is out because of the noise The Spin-Clean does a great job for what it is but I have found the cleaning fluid left the records with a lot of static. It's also a bit overpriced but so are the vacuum machines. One of my future projects is to make a ultrasonic cleaner and I think you can make one of those cheaper than the Okki or my VPI. Likely for half the price of either two.
If I had to give some advice to someone new cleaning records, it would be that rinsing with distilled water makes a huge difference.
Mine does nor have a drain tube? I guess they except it to evaporate?
Hmm. Is it a VPI? All VPIs should have a drain tube. Other models, have a removable tank. You really want to drain it, otherwise you run the risk of mold growth.
@@BarakaPDub Yes it's a VPI an older one I guess.. My big problem is the pin / screw in the center came out on me I think the hole is now too big. I got a few other Ideas I'm going to try.. I'll keep you posted.
I also use the audio intelligent vinyl solutions 3 step method. I generally leave the 1st step enzymatic cleaner on for between 3 to 5 minutes. I leave step 2 super formula on for 1 to 3 minutes.takes me about 15 to 20 minutes to clean one LP but the results or fantastic.
+guitarman guitarman Yeah...over time I discovered that you got to leave the Enzymatic cleaner on for several minutes to really make best use of the solution.
The problem of course is that when you flip it over to do the other side, the clean side is now in contact with the cork mat that just was against the dirty side, so you get gunk on the side you just cleaned.
To avoid this, you need to have two cork mats around, one that only touches clean records and one that touches dirty ones.
In a similar vein, a method which I learned subsequently to making this video is to buy a thin sheet of plastic and cut it to the shape/size of the platter. For the first side being cleaned, you put the dirty side on the plastic and then when you flip you remove the plastic so the side that was just cleaned is now touching the clean cork. Additionally, I am going over the dirty side of the record with an Into The Groove roller prior to putting it down on the plastic. This gets rid of all of the larger size particles.
You can always take things too far. If its dust or lint then you can easily blow it off with air. Anything that is stuck to the record will likely remain stuck, imho...
Nice demo! I'm interested in this product but for life of me I can't figure out why they can't make a quiet motor. It sounds like a really bad grinding sound
+Frederick Clanahan Yeah. I don't get their thought process in the design. I mean my Kitchen Aid Mixer has a more powerful motor that won't shut down after kneading dough for an hour. I think the vacuum is probably a baseline Shopvac model retrofitted to work in the unit. I hate to knock to much because I am content but I know I could do a better job designing it at a lower cost. Thanks for watching.
+Frederick Clanahan I have a 16.5. And I wear ear protection when cleaning my records. They look like headphones and I bought them for when I am using power tools like saws. I highly recommend it. Vacuums are very dangerous to your hearing. Especially over time.
Then why not make one and sell it for less?
I suppose now I have to decide whether or not it is worth the extra $ to buy the MW-1 Cyclone over the 16.5.
+Frederick Clanahan So for what it's worth...the folks that own the 16.5 feel like they are built like a tank and do the job. I have a friend that has been using his for a long time. The only issue is avoid the particle board housing from getting soaked. For example, I have forgotten to open the clamp on the drain tube and have had the internal waste tank overflow a couple of times. It is quite a difference just to get the metal housing and the forward and reverse capability. That said, I did feel it was quite the step up from the Spin Clean.
Seems to me that you can buy a second spin clean and just use distilled water in it to remove the surfactant. Much cheaper solution
So I wouldn't go with this vacuum cleaner if you're on a budget. There are some cheaper models out there that do just as well. To VPI's credit though, these things are built like tanks.
Rather than heat I prefer a hard vinyl slightly dished mat with a matching clamp. 98% of the time the clamp makes it flat enough to play fine. And I notice that no one talks about turntable mats and clamps anymore. Somehow some knowledge has been lost. Just my two cents.
I would love to get a VPI so I can get the ring with the clamp.
How do I replace the cork mat?
Good question for which I do not have an answer. The cork mat has been a complaint by many folks. Since it is bonded to the particle board, I think it might be best just to get a new platter. I do know the folks at VPI service their equipment so it would be best to ask if they would service your RCM. That said, I am surprised that they didn't bond something a little more durable to the particle board like a rubber mat. Better yet, having something that could be easily replaced would be great. Sorry I can't be of any help but thanks for watching.
Replacement cork mats are available from VPI.
Nice clock Cinderella better got back home lol 😎.
VPI is kind of expensive of a machine .
They all work the same .
Yeah...if I waited another couple of years, I would have went for the Pro-Ject at half the price.
KAV-EV1 do the same job for much less money, and NO motor. Motor can be damage over time.
While a motor can be damaged with enough care, the motor should last a long time. My VPI is still running strong.
@@BarakaPDub Good but I not live in USA so I can't return things, so is risky if the motor fails, also I prefer the manual rotation, the KAV cost $199.
That is loud!
Yes! It is not quiet at all. Thanks for watching!
BarakaPDub I sent my new Project back because I thought there was something wrong with it and maybe they all have a loud motor?
In general, they all use pretty cheap and loud motors. At least that's been my experience.
wow - terribly noisy and slow process!!! I am using Record Doctor V and it is much quicker and as effective for $200. Why do you need motor and clamp to spin your record while cleaning???
You don't but everybody has a different method to their process.
I suppose now I have to decide whether or not it is worth the extra $ to buy the MW-1 Cyclone over the 16.5.