Volkswagen e-Crafter range in the city
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Bjorn first has to eat some bananas :-D
Not enough Banana Boxes in Oslo to test with. 😂
And chipmunk mode!
be careful you can overload that van with empty banana boxes 😂😂😀🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌
He is gonna die from potassium radiation. Don't kill him.
You should go to IKEA and ask, if you can drive people's furniture home. Do that for the whole day, then it would be realistic.
PolybosStudio Yess! Awesome idea!!
Just need to find someone to sponsor insurance...
Why Ikea ? There are 2 flyttelass to Tromsø on Nimber. :D
Would be really cool
@@MiesvanderLippe they use Renault Kangoo electric to deliver post around here (Trondheim, Norway), no need for a Crafter..
You are driving it empty though Bjorn. It's not a test of a commercial vehicle until you put a tonne and a half of cargo inside it. Find somewhere to borrow a tonne of cargo weight and see how it works then.
That bag of rice was plenty heavy.
@@_PatrickO :-)
The thing is though that you can’t put a ton and a half cargo inside of it. Because the car itself already weighs 2 1/2 tons as Bjorn already mentioned in the last video. The maximum weight for these kind of cars is still 3.5 tons.
@@filip3148 OK, well whatever the maximum load capacity for the vehicle is. I'm just saying driving it empty does not give any realistic idea of how it would perform when actually working. It's a van, not a car.
Perhaps sign up to do Amazon deliverys for the day, it's called "Amazon Flex"
I have driven the fossil Crafter for over a year from my work. 2 times a week. 200 kilometers a day with +- 1500kg of cargo and 30-40 stops per day. The newer ones are not so noisy. Though, they are very thirsty. The company wanted to replace the old fossils with E-Crafters. But the range was too small for our purpose.
We want the banana box test!! 😀
German Autobahn he will need much more banana boxes :-)
I don't think there is enough banana boxes in Norway
Not sure if this is a real-life test since the main goal for these vehicles is to carry cargo, so the range with be much lower.
Yes, more weight would mean higher consumption. But it's still the drag from the wind that takes most of the energy. And for an ev, more weight would also mean that more energy can be regenerated when braking (though far from 100% of the energy used for acceleration). For an ICE-vehicle on the other hand, all the energy from acceleration will be lost when braking.
"the main goal for these vehicles is to carry cargo" that's right but also keep in mind that if you transport Cargo from point A-B you're likely to have trips where the Transporter is empty ;). Its probably not 50/50 but you get what i mean.
Starting with a heavy load takes a lot of energy to get going. A bigger regenerative capacitor might be a good idea in such a vehicle.
Because the vehicle starts out very heavy empty, you would have to have a maxed out load of heavy cargo to dip into the efficiency much.
@@Seanog1231 Actually regenerated energy is stored straight into main battery pack. No need for a capacitor. I have a custom BMS in my conversion so I can measure energy in and out separately. Turns out I can regenerate 20% on inner city driving.
I do not know what VW was thinking by only putting in the pack of the e golf. Surely they had the space to fit a 60kwh pack in that massive van and move the charge port in the front.
More cost to develop and manufacture.
Weight Limit and the usual driving distance for them used in the City is well below 100km for most of them.
In a Norwegian winter placing the charge port in the front is not a good idea. Remember the charge port of Kona (tested by Björn.)
@@arilaitala1977 Its electricity after all so you could have multiple charge ports.
One on each side front and rear. Covering all bases.
Its not like you need a fuel tank ;-) just a few more wires.
They are still trying to teach their customers how inadequate and useless electric vehicles are. The other option would be that they are incompetent. Judge for yourself:)
As a van driver for Tesco in the U.K. Something like this would be awesome for us. Only issue is range, we have a small area and do about 100-120 miles a day but I know some Tesco's who do 200+ miles a day. As well cargo limit. Our vans are modified to hold our trays in with a chiller and a freezer section, makes them about 2.5 tons when empty. with a big battery I don't think you could get much in it without going over the 3.5 tons limit we have
Don't you stop to have lunch or take a break? This time can be used for charging.
MrPaukann we do but only 1 hour a day. So from 9am till 11pm the vans will only get 1 hour to charge. Also remember with a freezer and a chiller running that has to take a lot of power as well
@@MrCuddlebear218, yeah, but with a fast charger it's a lot, almost a full recharge, I believe.
How much do they consume? If it's sections, as you said, I don't think it's much more than 1-2 kw/h. 1,5*14= 21kwh, a lot for a day, but with a recharge, you still can cover a lot of distance.
MrPaukann like was said at the end of the vid. If you add a bigger battery you lose cargo capacity. Just don't think with current battery's it's practical right now. As well the van in this vid is 2.5 ton by the sounds of it so it can carry 1000kg in the back. Well after you add all the steal bars to hold our trays, a fridge and freezer and a bigger battery you might not have much more than 400kg of capacity left
I think we are 4 years away before EV vans take over the UK delivery market, need lighter more energy dense batteries, 280mile range at 50% Load (for 220 mile routes ) and cost no more than 25% of a diesel version, then it's all change. I can see all the national delivery companies moving when that happens. They may also decide to install there own rapid chargers at strategic location to allow for more challenging longer routes.
Bad part is there will be a mountain of second hand diesel vans , a scrapage scheme would be better than letter them loose on the second hand market. Sadly I cant see the UK government helping here, it's just lip service to EVs, very little substance and these old diesels will get reused again and again.Normally reusing stuff is great, but not when it comes to polluting diesels.
Back in the days, I used to drive an VW LT Pick up car, or what to call it. With a manual gear box and a really tiered diesel engine. Crazy sound level from the engine, so slow and a lot of smoke.... Love to see this e-crafter, it's a couple of steps in the right direction!
A whole cargo van and he puts the bag under the seat. Yep. As for the chargers in Norway, great idea to have so many. But still not enough.
Once you get your hand on the electric mercedes sprinter please do the same! Sprinter van is my favourite and I used to have one converted to a camper. Would love a ev version
This car is probably designed for delivery drivers in very crowded cities, they have to stop every second house and don´t drive long distance. VW also offered the Transporter with an 80hp diesel engine for the same purpose. Bad performance and bad fuel economy but gets the job done cheap.
To clear the moisture out of the car what I do is just open all the windows the last few hundred meters so it blows through the cabin. I've never had any issues with frost on the inside after doing that.
Seeing that terrible weather makes me so glad I live in Southern California. 🙂
You really like to live in a desert ? :D
Everytime I see electric cords in wet environments I get the chills. Stay safe!
Seeing as you had a van I fully expected wifey to request a run to IKEA......
Ice Removal with Bjorn (including ASMR). Beat the devil out of them. Yeah that weather is shiiiiity. My city would shut down with that much snow. Your phone camera is great. I can't tell sometimes when you aren't using the main camera.
How much range at full payload ?
Thanks and good work !
Yep that was a question I was going to also ask. The range is pretty low empty so when full of goodies I expect the range to be much less.
You need IMO at least 150km with Full Payload for this to be practical or a charge time of less than 30 mins so while having lunch you could top up if needed.
All this range stuff should go away with more efficient battery systems I hope come to market soon. What is on offer today is .....ok ishhh but I expect much more range for this to be practical. It will happen.
This is also a good insight to maybe EV Motorhomes ;-) with a decent range of course :-
i like EVs e crafter its useless peace of shiiiiit. What for you need 11m2 space for? Hey or straw, empty banana boxes? Make that box shorter or less tall add 30% battery and then will be ok usefully efficient box van. 1000kg can be loaded in small Berlingo (compact van). Nisan Env200 its much better van then that shiiiiieeet from WV.
@@tomaskonkol8894 have you ever driven a van? Try to load 1000 kg of bread in a Berlingo. Or 3-4 3-seater sofas or other big furnitures.. I've driven Transit and Boxer for many many years, sometimes you use all the weight + a little bit extra, but most of the time you use the space.
E-crafter takes about 950kgs of cargo. That would be a meaningful road test.
@@michaeldawson6309 i work in a warehouse, been asking how many km per day courriers do ( DHL/ TNT ) all of them said 200km at least and some times up to 300km. And there justveating while driving ( no 30 min charging ).
So battery tech has to improve a lot and their behavor to ( in order to charge during a brake)
Thank you Bjørn for showing off Oslo. Been too long since I left.
Keep up the good work
Björn, you are the best ev-tester 🔋
Mini bus testing next Bjorn😍
He probably needs a license to drive it
I wonder what range those mini buses get?
@@michaeldawson6309 Damn good question.
@@bardhi0105 Yes, D1 licence required for those.
Here is the link to IVECO.
www.iveco.com/ivecobus/en-us/products/pages/iveco-bus-minibus-daily-electric.aspx
Hehe. 'Switch the ignition on' Old habits die hard. 😁
@@richard--s Indeed. That's what I thought he meant.
Thank you for the test, big consumption and it was empty.
0:04 "falsewagen" 🤣
Insp. Moore that’s how it’s pronounced in German. V makes a ‘f’ sound in German. I like to think of it as Volkswagen -> Folk’s wagon -> People’s Car (literal translation of the name).
@@borisdemelo Oh, and I thought my whole life the real meaning is False Wagon 😏
Vans like this could be useful for deliveries around town, but here in sweden we don't have a large charging infrastructure yet and in my opinion we need to focus alot more on getting functional nuclear reactors online for future proofing, there's only so much space you can take up for solar/wind powerplants, the reactors we have make up 40% of our total consumption
I loved the ibeco electric mini bus.
Another good thing you discovered: aside from moving the charge port, the VW e-Crafter could use a 22kw on-board charger option to save time. Time = Money.
People talking about full payload of 1500kg. An electrical van isnt supposed to be used by a toolshopsupplier or a constructionworker. They are going to get used by some hipster flowershop or an hipster catering company. You get my point.
I liked this city trip!
You need to get a hold of one of those busses and try it out. They would make wonderfull RV's, if the range was ok. Cheers
Good for Norway!! I always see a lots of EVs in your videos driving around. It like every 5th car is ev.
you should try the streetscooter van
Oh yes he should absolutely
At 16mins, the Iveco vans, you will notice that the charging port for these is in an even WORSE place, even further back than the VW. Yes the VW port should be in front, it's true this is a design flaw, but the Iveco is EVEN WORSE!! Great video, very interesting, I like you a lot, best wishes from Alan, in England UK.
These vans will mainly be used for parcel delivery so I doubt they will carry much weight. It is a start wait till Tesla brings a Van
It will be interesting to test the range with some significant typical weight load in the cargo
Probably will be better to put that el. motor and battery pack in VW caddy. With 3-4m3 of cargo space and real 100 km in winter
10:45 I do actually have to drive one of diesel crafters sometimes. It's not that noisy actually. And it has Stop/Start system, so it doesn't idle at traffic lights all the time.
I do agree on the charger though. It needs multiple ports in different corners of it. Fitting only one in the same place where diesel port used to be - not so good. Also, it would benefit greatly from having 22KW AC on-board charger. Letš hope Renault did that on their Master ZE.
An included CCS extender cable in the cable box beneath the center seat would really benefit this EV.
Uhhh a Hyundai NEXO FCEV in 5:29 ;) nice!
Is this middle of the day Oslo traffic?
BTW. EVs everywhere. Norway is awesome.
Even a Hyundai Nexo (5:25). I didn't even know that they exist in reality. Just thought this is only available for media drives in korea.
Karls Geoguessr Abenteuer Hyundai nexo isn’t an EV
@@KarlsGeoguessrAbenteuer when I lived in Tromsø (northern city, not as EV dense as Oslo) I saw a couple of 2nd gen RAV4 EVs driving around town. They were only sold in California.
I think it's virtually free to import EVs (looking at taxes, fossil car imports are crazy expensive) so tons of them are. When I look at Leafs online I have to pay attention to the fog lights and infotainment buttons so I know if it's a US or Euro model.
Except the frickin cold weather and cloudy days for months !
@@dan_6915 Cold and clouds are cool. I hate summer.
DO MORE VIDEOS WITH OTHER HUGE EVs like that...
- WAITING FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND DO ALL THE TESTS OF TESLA SEMI TRUCK SMALLER AND BIGGER VERSION...
I don't think he has driving license to drive anything heavier than 3500kg and/or more than 8 seats. He might have BE, otherwise he wouldn't be able to tow those huge trailers.
@@jur4x Bjørn has BE license.
@ That's what I thought.
That's a really interresting and nice video. I wish, more and more cargo would be transported by Electric vans. of course wintertime is hard for an EV. But tests with those 1000 kg loaded would be a whole other story!
If you could carry at least 400-500 kg of cargo to simulate real use would be great. Clearly it needs bigger battery and front charging port. On the other hand the lack of noise and smoke make it so worthwhile. They can't come soon enough with a new version improving on this foundation.
Have you seen the Hyundai Nexo at 5:28 ? (hydrogen car)
The cool thing about it is, that it's everyday life in Norway to see Hydrogen and Electric Cars!
EV's yes they are "everywhere", hydrogen no. I think there is something like 5-6 H2 stations in Norway, hense we only have a few cars.
The Booster charger has a cooled cable, great lol
Buys 20kg of rice, but only 2 bananas...
That's called load balancing bananas in front rice at the back.
yet another brilliant episode thanks Bjorn!
I await your test of the Renault master-ze and the ldv ev-80 :)
Makes you wonder why VW chose to start with the Crafter. Would be very interesting to see the Transporter to be equipped with this drive train.
The buses that you discovered, also had the power connector on the side. Maybe it isn't an accident. With long commercial vehicles, a front connector might not be as convenient as you think. Bays may not always be long enough to accommodate a commercial vehicle, in the way you do with cars. The buses were parked against chargers, in bays, that were designed for side on charging. The advantage of the current VW design is that it can be charged parked nose to the charger, you did so yourself, although it wasn't too convenient and also works side on.
+Quentin Cope At least put the charge port in frot of the doors like Ampera-e, I-Pace and e-tron.
IMHO, just put the charge port on a corner, it doesn't really matter which.
Greet sound and editing! Makes me smile!
Nice Voyager ;)
Modern vans have come a long way, some are just as comfortable to drive as a car, not noisy really. I drive a Fiat Ducato van but some days I do 400 - 500km, some days less than 50km so EV wouldn't work just yet, especially since with all my equipment the van is very nearly over the weight limit, so batteries would be way too heavy I think.
Isn't there an extension cord available for CCS charging?
Very good videos, that charging port is in a daft place on the VAN as you say 👍🤓👍
Good test! Just one suggestion, maybe testing it with 1000 kg load.. (ask your Rema friend for a couple of pallets of soda for testing) Drive 3-4 hours, then 30 minutes break where you recharge. Then 3 hours more driving. Would simulate a typical working day. I realize that would be a really long and boring test for you though. :P
Good movie, hope to see the big Iveco buss in future :)
I would love to see a Tesla van, they could make it the model 3 of the semi.
5:29, Hyundai Nexo?! What the heck, you guys are so lucky Norway has EVERYTHING!
Strange that the car does not draw power from the plug when pre heating. My e-Golf does this without a problem at all (whether via programming or launching via the app).
Test for car like this needs some "fully loaded" episode :)
You should be able to pull 350 kW from the juice booster. It's a SNOW COOLED CABLE!!!
New test procedure? Rice bag test?
14:00
maby you can use extension cable?
19:50
they have to add option - tesla power wall inside ;)
We have the same Bluetooth headset. But I'm using it while cycling. The ICE car stays parked always
Numbers of chargers at just one station in Oslo is equal to number of chargers in whole my country...
At least do one row (floor to ceiling) of banana boxes and extrapolate ;)
6:55
For a second I thought you was Jason Statham
No need for bananaboxtest, furniture and so on. Helga designed this Bratwurstauto!
Seems like they've changed as little as possible from the ICE crafter. Results in sill charging situations.
I work as minibus driver (merc sprinter) with wheelchair access and I would love that e-crafter with a double sized battery, but that current battery wouldn't work for my use. I hope someone will make one soon. Sadly my bus I drive is scheduled to be replaced this spring and it looks like I'll have to wait one more replacement cycle before I can get a electric bus to drive.
6:30 i3 is coming, bes car ever!
Bjørn try to put your hands on those Electric Ivecos from 16:20 - they got me interested.
Good videos.Love watching them,keep filming ;)
Those snowy road conditions is crap for range. So many EVs in Norway though! It's like the future...
Still so jealous of the shear amount of EVs on the streets there, night and day compared to middle America (not California ) , I saw just 4 Teslas and one Leaf today..
Juice booster doesn't look at all like a death trap :D
What do you mean?
@@bjornnyland Broken electrical device covered in snow and water doesn't look very safe, that's all. I was partially joking.
I think stiffer better quality wipers may work better. The ones fitted look very flimsy.
Consumption is pretty good considering that the diesel version uses 8 liters of diesel fuel per 100 km, which is what you have to expect from van trucks like these.
Lol
No
Iv driven 150.000km on 3 years
The disel is 100% better than this electric . This electric version is terrible
I read that there is also going to be a 50kwh variant of the transporter
I think Volkswagen should send you and wifey somewhere nice and warm to do a warm weather consumption test of the van now :-) .
A friend told me that you dont need a drivers card if you travel below 100km a day with your van. So that could be the reason why the battery is so small.
Not sure what your friend meant but you do need a B licence to drive those on the road.
How is it for tailgating?
In Sweden it wouldn't be that much of a problem with blocking multiple chargers... since we often only have one charger per location!! :/
All of Oslo`s most boring streets in one day, in Oslo`s worst weather - that`s dedication!
That car should be delivered with a CCS extention cable if VW is gonna keep that design...
Until VW relocates the charge port you'd need to workout an extension cord/cable. Probably smart anyway to deal with the length of the van. Investigate those Iveco Daily vans for battery capacity, please. Those could make a good base for a recreational vehicle. www.iveco.com/uk/Products/Pages/daily-blue-power-electric.aspx
im not that much of a range anxiety person.
once i hit 100km rest range i get slightly nervous.
on that thing on the other hand 100km is already maximum range.
"falsewagen" is got be the chinese copy version :)
"We don't care if all parts are interchangeable! It is clearly not the same to us, therefore there is no copyright infringement" - Chinese court
That's because Volkswagen is pronounced "Folkswagen". Volk = people. "People's wagon". Yes, you learned something new from Bjørn today.
@@bjornnyland I actually knew it. While English is my primary foreign language, I did learn am bisschen Deutch in die Schule :)
@@bjornnyland, PLEASE tell me that in Norway, people learn English (IE American :-), BEFORE they learn French, as a second language. The French DO get their knickers in a twist that more folks learn English than French, as they all know French is Sooo Superior. . . . LOL.
Thanks for covering an EV van!
You should test it with the van loaded to half capacity. That's the most likely scenario
Are there “extension cables” for fast chargers? There must be a away around the issue of the charge port location without having to block multiple chargers...
For drive the camper and other vehicles with weight more than 3.5ton I have the C1E driving license.
what about calculating the number of banana box ? it would be too cumbersome to do it manually but you could estimate by mesuring inside the ecrafter ? that would be the top1 in your banana chart :-)
One banana box has about 0.05 m³, so 10 m³ should be around 200 banana boxes. With the rectangular shape one should be able to get relatively close to that number in practice as well. So 200 times more than in a Fiat 500e.
@@MikeDeeee good point. After searching, banana box are more like 30-35 l, so it would be 300 banana box :-)
It's good to see EV vans out there I had enough of these delivery drivers leaving their diesel engine running polluting the whole of London
Interesting video but better stuff some sofas inside the Crafter and then re-do the test. It will be more realistic.
You really need to half fill it weight wise to work out usable range
Hi Bjorn, Do the manufacturers listen to your feedback? In this case the poor charge port location. It is as if they had never used it in real life !
'Switch the ignition on'.
3:49 that cyclist though...
A vehicle like that needs 180-200kWh