It's honestly crazy that you can look at the original 2013 ban statement Armada wrote on Smashboards, if you can read all 8 reasons for the ban, Leffen has continued to do all 8 of those things again, and actively continues to do so.
Yeah I feel like the community did hax dirty. Yeah he went a little wild in evidence.zip but he did not deserve the scourne he got and he's clearly in a bad way because of it
@@brodieorr5393 The presentation might have been a little unhinged but everyone disregarded all of the facts because of it. Leffen has done countless evil things. He was even partially responsible for ZeRo's suicide attempt or that time M2K had to make that video about the allegations. This guy is a straight up sociopath. At the very least, they should have banned Leffen too. The community is fucked. They're not willing to listen. "Hax is crazy so everything is invalid hurr durr".
this man also playing a big part in keeping hax banned is downright devious, the second it looks like hax was going to receive some mercy he gets his minions to swarm and keep the guy perma banned, you would think someone with prior ban experience would feel even a pinch of empathy
@@nilehowell5382he made a shizo post about leffen. Hidden within that video were genuine greivences hax$ had with leffen over the boxx. Leffen clutched his pearls and cried harassment. The problem is leffen is the ceo of harassment.
What's even funnier is that sometimes LTG can roll with the punches and sometimes laugh it off or even turn the joke on the person making fun of him. Leffen just straight up acts like a giant manchild over ANYTHING that happens to him.
What's insane to me surrounding this entire discourse with Leffen is that Leffen is massively disliked in the community of every single fighting game he tries to involve himself in and yet Smash is somehow the one instance where Leffen is this portrayed as some paragon of humility and a well intentioned good boy that does no wrongs because he got barred from attending tournaments in his home country for a year. What did that ban actually even accomplish? Leffen just ended up travelling to North America during it and entered tournaments that way, completely circumventing the punishment altogether more or less. The double standards set upon Hax are ridiculous too. Anyone right now can create a completely anonymous sockpuppet account and start antagonizing Leffen with threats of harm, and yet if this happens, Hax is the one who is entirely at fault for making Leffen feel unsafe, even if the person doing it is specifically doing it to spite Hax because they don't like him. Yet if this were done to any other community figurehead like Hbox, Mango, Zain, Cody or whoever, the same standards are not applied. I guarantee Hbox still gets detractors that are from the time Leffen continuously perpetuated the notion that Hbox was "ruining the game", and I bet some of them send him super vile crap too, and yet those same standards Hax is held, Leffen conveniently isn't held to the same ones. He's never been punished at all or even vilified by the community for his contributions towards inciting the harassment of another competitor because of the incredible excuse of "everyone took shots at hbox".
He has, in fact, grown and matured. In the same way as a turd left in a shoebox for a few years, festering and stinking up every space in contact with it.
A turd eventually dries up and breaks apart. In some cases, it becomes fossilized and taken for study. Maybe even great fertilizer for healthy grass. Are you implying Leffen has some value hmm? 🧐
Leffen's gonna be punished if he starts competing for that Riot Fighting Game anyway, cause Riot has way WAY stricter guidelines for there games professional circuit then like normal grassroot FGC, and dude is not mature enough to live out by those guidelines
ngl im tired of waiting for this dude to get banned at this point. every 2 months or so we get a new leffen video and comments saying he will be banned soon. it never comes.
The ban list isn’t long because the smash community’s standards are too low. It’s a barrier-of-entry thing. There are almost no restrictions to entering the smash community, and so you’ll of course need to filter out people. In professional sports the barrier of entry is so high that those people are naturally filtered out from the start.
@@adammarkovic3316 Melee (and Smash tourneys in general) is grassroots. It certainly has the SIZE of a mainstream eSport, but it doesn't have regulation like other orgs and TO's would, and subsequently have a far smaller barrier on it's face. Legally binding TOS, waivers, etc. Smash doesn't have a FRACTION of the player control that other games would have.
Leffen's popularity is why no one asks these questions. As you said, it's the assumed explanation: "he's popular, so he won't be banned." Just see the comments calling you out simply for being against the status quo, it definitely at least plays a part in how he's gotten away with it. Good video though, manipulation and bullying are sadly allowed in esports if it's on the side of the TOs
Leffen has been a trash human being since the beginning of his gaming career, he's one of the most toxic people you could ever meet. It's nice to see people aren't putting up with his BS anymore.
@@CoronaMage "Words can never hurt me" bro. Yeah, I'm secure enough and know myself well enough that some asshole calling me names has no effect, and just shows how childish and immature they are. Like, go ahead and try and offend me. There's nothing you can say that will, because I know myself better than you and own my flaws
The problem is the few that are still putting up with it and letting it happen also hold all the power in the Smash "community" to enforce disciplinary action on people
It's just frustrating right? We've seen Leffen's pattern of behavior, we've seen the hypocrisy of the smash community, and somehow it keeps getting worse! Something has to change man, as an oldy, I've watched them dig their own hole and double down on bullshit time after time. It's insufferable, and is the main reason I stopped following smash around 2018. Cool game, horrible people running it.
Same. Put down my gamecube controller and Captain Falcon for the Monster Hunter franchise’s Charge Blade and Gunlance. PVE helps with being less toxic too.
@@CTomCooper Dope, I ended up switching to arcade-like games. Rhythm games, puzzle fighters, shmups, etc. Games with high skill ceilings and tons of skill expression.
I got permabanned from Leffen's Twitch chat for advocating against hard-pressing L-cancels. He pulled up my chat history, read my points and said whatever, then saw me say "If you soft-press L-cancel, maybe you too can get 4th at Genesis!" Instant ban, but I made him bleed. ggs
I'm so glad this is being seen more openly. I remember years ago falling for the hbox hate leffen was spewing as a young melee fan (i held tournaments in my highschool) and looking back what he was doing was DISGUSTING. He needs to be permanently banned too.
This is what bothers me. Leffen has undeniably done wrong, and that's ok. Everyone has done wrong, hax too. What I find so upsetting is that Leffen has been forgiven by Hungrybox, Mew2King, and a lot of the Melee community, but he somehow fails to offer the same forgiveness to hax that has been afforded to him by so many people. I'm not sure what the word for it is, but it baffles and upsets me that Leffen is unable to see how he could have EASILY been the one perma banned had it not been for the mercy of those he wronged. Irony at its finest.
It's not irony. Your mistake is making the assumption that he doesn't know exactly what he is doing when he deliberately manipulates and bullies his way to do what he wants. These are deliberate intentional decisions, not accidents.
Leffen is easily the most straight EVIL person in all of esports. Not even subtle, either. Hes probably a machiavellian person which is honestly scary. The fact he isnt banned but haxx is, is just flat out insane.
Leffen wanted to get pissy, saying that the only reason people hated that he won Evo was because he was a smash player, so why then was there no outrage when the entire SF6 top 3 at Momocon was smash players? It's because Leffen is an absolutely terrible person.
I think its mostly due to the nintendo being over secured because of the fear of another video game crash (Don't think its happening), but that might be also a jigsaw puzzle in the image.
I hear this sentiment repeated all the time but if you know about panda then you know this just isn’t true. It’s possible they had incentive to distance themselves from the scene in 2020 when a ton of shit came out, but otherwise they did not care about any of this when discussing partnership with panda
@@saturnjr9136The reason they planned to partner with Panda was precisely because Panda wasn't like the rest of the scene and was instead a professional and profitable organization that could actually maintain a stable relationship and had detailed and functional plans for future growth. But as usual smash leadership and the degenerate elements of the smash community, of which there are many, had to kneecap the scene once more. Im convinced the same will happen if another org like Luminosity steps up too. This community is beyond salvation.
@@Parthian6 What you think of Panda is besides the point. Nintendo has shown they were willing to partner with an org AFTER all the metoo shit happened. Nintendo doesn’t give a fuck. If there’s one thing they care about, it’s having careful control over their IPs which is something Panda was willing to compromise on.
i mostly agree with technicals however leffen is a special case so special in fact that that what he has done is far beyond any redemption that could be achieved (f.e. bringing zero on the verge of committing suicide) he doesnt show any genuine remorse, he is unwilling to learn from "mistakes"- he still acts the way he does deliberately and effectively is the same a**hole hes been ever since therefore he should unquestionably be permabanned FULL STOP
It really goes to show just how much influence really matters. Unless Leffen does something blatantly illegal, nobody is going to bother getting him out of the scene. It's kinda like the Pokemon community where competitors can break the rules on stream but because the TOs have so much influence over decisions, nothing will get done about it. Nevermind the fact that cheating is so normalized over there anyway.
Believe it or not, sp1nda actually spoke up once about how Leffen's actions actively hurt the community and he should be held accountable. Sadly, people brushed it off.
I was there during the stream covering this topic. I like that you started the video with that interesting fact that real sports teams rarely ban anyone if at all. I also like your choice of music, the SA2 and JSRF??? That was a lovely thing to hear for a newcomer like me, but obviously I have bias towards that stuff. Thank you for covering this. #FreeHax
Treating Leffen like the heel of the smash community has at least one major flaw; heels are acting. I may not watch a whole lot of wrestling, but I get the feeling they're not actually trying to break their opponent's leg or disregard the rules of the match, it's part of the performance. Leffen isn't acting, that's how he actually is, and there are consequences to real people for the way he behaves.
Such a bizarre video from you, but you did hit the nail in the head. When you really start peeling back the layers, almost every issue the Smash community has comes from its incompetent leadership.
How on God's Green Earth is this channel crossing over with ANOTHER of my interests. Edit: I knew a guy who would act like Leffen. This was EXTREMELY back in the day, though; as in, pre-TF2 2007. Brawl wasn't even out yet. Essentially this guy would go so hard on me that I quit trying to play smash brawl and go to events, meetups, etc. Didn't have anywhere NEAR Leffen level of skill though, thankfully! Hahaha
A big thing as to why leffen gets different treatment is that everyone is used to leffen being a dick, not that it's fine, but people just brush it off now
13:00 Let's go a cameo from a _great entertainer he is._ I'm glad to see Simple's vid in here. I don't know if I'm the reason for that at all and even if I am I don't want to take credit for that since this whole video is _your_ video but I remember mentioning SimpleFlips' video in one of your MineCraft live streams so it's cool to actually see that video here too. Regardless, this is a good video. I don't engage in the smash community at all and only ever sink myself in video essay stuff like this video and a ton of TurnDownForWalt's content so I don't think it's right of me to say what the smash community is supposed to be but I hope for how deep this issue is that I, as a barely passive observer could not see the full extent of, certainly hope for things to get better in whatever form better looks to be.
Whats even crazier is a former smasher named JK was temporarily banned for the following: attempted vehicular homicide against Charliedaking, S2H, Technicals and others.
Just in case people don't see the irony: JK got a TEMPORARY ban for actively trying to kill a group of people. Hax got a PERMANENT ban for making a 2-hour long video against Leffen where he compared Leffen to Hitler. Like, both are pretty bad, but I don't necessarily agree with the literal attempted manslaughter having a less severe punishment than the verbal harassment.
@@jakethedog1483 Yeah, Technicals himself said it multiple times on his Twitter account. JK even got his ban lifted and got banned AGAIN after he threatened a few people.
It feels like this video doesnt acknowledge its lack of perspective. Its evident that a lot of people within the community *think* he's changed since 2013 and they also believe he intentionally plays a villian. This video probably has merit, but it falls short establishing credibility by actually talking to people like who know him, like Armada, and peoole who emforce the community guidelines. Without these things, it lacks the ability to truly drive its point home.
Bro. I wanna listen to the video but you keep playing all these BOPS in the background lol Love the video AND the taste in OSTs. Thank you for your hard work
This was an incredibly good video. Great points on the TO's and other "higher-ups" within the community that continue to enable and perpetuate his behavior. Imagine the amount of pain saved if they just slapped him with a permanent ban and had it done with
I'm so glad hbox came back from his "heel run" he got so much undeserved hate for practically no reason.. I'm sorry you find puff boring but that doesn't mean you throw a crab at the guy
That's besides the point though. People have gotten banned for less, and those rules, however flawed they might be in either spirit or letter, are not being enforced for him in the same way they're enforced for other players. It's clear favoritism. The actual validity of the rules only matters if they're being enforced evenly.
No tournament or CoC is made by an "official law". It's exactly as it sounds, a Code of Conduct. You think EVO or Genesis is going to the white house to get their CoC passed into laws?
@@hadouradiance3566 i read the rules and i have broken some of them too. if they enforce the rules we will just make our own community. people like zain mkleo will move into our community cause its way bigger and competitive.
You didn’t say this in the video but Leffen also corroborated a false story about ZeRo, a pro player, allegedly showing explicit content to minors, which was confirmed to be a false allegation made by Jisu, an artist and climate activist, in an attempt to cancel ZeRo, as such Leffen committed Perjury, which is a felony, as such Leffen should also face consequences from the law
Wouldn’t insomnia be considered physical health instead of mental health? Being unable to sleep seems like a bodily defect rather than a psychological one
Why did you edit off the timestamps of certain leffen tweets? Makes it seem like you are trying to link unrelated events together. Just a strange choice on a well done video.
Leffen was doing okay at first when he came back to the scene with this villain arch type but just continued to push the boundaries on whats acceptable...then you couple that with him being manipulative when he starts to receive hate back is just wildly hialrious. Leffen cant truly see how much of a spineless, immature, going on 30 but still a child type nerd he really is...
Great documented video my dude. You are a great communicator and video maker. The way you articulate yourself in these videos makes it so easy to grasp whatever topic you're bringing forth. Honestly, the more I get reminded of the injustice which is Leffen's transgressions (other than the Sweden ban) going unpunished, the more I get bitter towards the blatantly biased, unqualified and hypocritical (add other adjectives here) "top heads" in this community community. It's actually a joke.
im not sure how this world got to a point where "i can play a videogame good" transitions too "im allowed whatever i want to do", sry but jeah respect to his game skills, but at the end of the day he is just a guy playing videogames. If he is unhealthy to a community, just remove him, like every unhealthy individual and ignore his barks.
The stuff in the 2012 era was pretty inexcusable but recently i think his actions are being blown out of proportion. Leffen is rude for sure but everyone’s framing him to be pure evil when he: Said he didn’t like HBox for playing lame and not running friendlies help people learn the jiggs mu, complains about characters he deems brain dead, calls people bad, and laughs at Hax for blaming his insomnia on himself. Also don’t downplay why Hax was banned. Hax made extremely sensitive information about another player public knowledge, not the same as making a jab at someone’s insomnia that they already weaponized.
I will make a Leffen diss track if this video reaches 200K views.
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are you also gonna challenge him to a match to change his fox color?
Lol its tradition at this point 😅
ur dragging it
Lmk if you need a beat
It's honestly crazy that you can look at the original 2013 ban statement Armada wrote on Smashboards, if you can read all 8 reasons for the ban, Leffen has continued to do all 8 of those things again, and actively continues to do so.
The only reason why he has fans is because he came out of the whole Smash pedophilla scence looking good
@@paulakroy2635He came out looking good cause he made false allegations and commited perjury, he literally did all that just for clout too 😭
@@paulakroy2635 Bit of a Lord of the Flies moment. It's interesting how people used it to their advantage.
@@paulakroy2635 That's kinda of a low bar
@@paulakroy2635 he used that moment to bolster his image, specifically when he corroborated Jisu's lie about Zero's behavior in the Sky House.
The fact that Hax was banned instead of Leffen is crazy.
Yeah I feel like the community did hax dirty. Yeah he went a little wild in evidence.zip but he did not deserve the scourne he got and he's clearly in a bad way because of it
@@brodieorr5393 Exactly.
@@brodieorr5393 The presentation might have been a little unhinged but everyone disregarded all of the facts because of it. Leffen has done countless evil things. He was even partially responsible for ZeRo's suicide attempt or that time M2K had to make that video about the allegations. This guy is a straight up sociopath. At the very least, they should have banned Leffen too. The community is fucked. They're not willing to listen. "Hax is crazy so everything is invalid hurr durr".
@@brodieorr5393 yeah, he went wild and said a lot of stuff he shouldnt have. And literally all of it was prompted by leffen doing even worse things.
I like how Hbox got loads of hate for breaking a chair, and leffen had minimal backlash for the many things he's done.
Because Hbox has Leffen telling people to hate him and Leffen claims every hater sends him death threats despite having his DMs private
Leffen gets a lot of hate, what are you talking about?
@@Rhylum Leffen GIVES a lot of hate
I hate leffen as much as the next guy but hbox and his fake pop offs genuinely make me cringe lol
Hbox tries to market himself a certain way though, Leffen doesn't
me at my daughter's birth: 🤷♂️
me at the leffen-criticizing convention: 👨💼
So real bestie
this man also playing a big part in keeping hax banned is downright devious, the second it looks like hax was going to receive some mercy he gets his minions to swarm and keep the guy perma banned, you would think someone with prior ban experience would feel even a pinch of empathy
The only thing keeping Hax banned is Hax. That dude is incapable of shutting the fuck up on twitter and in private.
Im not much of a fan of leffen but hax should absolutely not be allowed in the smash scene
@@exeterd9 why? ( i already know basically everything about the situation, why do you think he should be perma banned?)
@@exeterd9 i’m just now learning all this melee drama stuff, what did Hax do exactly that got him permanently banned
@@nilehowell5382he made a shizo post about leffen. Hidden within that video were genuine greivences hax$ had with leffen over the boxx. Leffen clutched his pearls and cried harassment. The problem is leffen is the ceo of harassment.
Was great talking to you and Weezy about this! Fingers crossed on that diss track
first
Was in the whole stream, you were an extremely entertaining guest, sorry you’ve gone through so much bullshit from the smash community
Tech you dipshit that's way bigger than life size spongebob. He's canonically small as hell.
Its crazy how leffen has such thin skin, its a little funny. Low tier god 2 lookin ahh
Low Tier God was really funny when he got upset at least, Leffen is just annoying.
More like a twink dsp
Twink DSP.
Twink DSP
What's even funnier is that sometimes LTG can roll with the punches and sometimes laugh it off or even turn the joke on the person making fun of him. Leffen just straight up acts like a giant manchild over ANYTHING that happens to him.
What's insane to me surrounding this entire discourse with Leffen is that Leffen is massively disliked in the community of every single fighting game he tries to involve himself in and yet Smash is somehow the one instance where Leffen is this portrayed as some paragon of humility and a well intentioned good boy that does no wrongs because he got barred from attending tournaments in his home country for a year. What did that ban actually even accomplish? Leffen just ended up travelling to North America during it and entered tournaments that way, completely circumventing the punishment altogether more or less.
The double standards set upon Hax are ridiculous too. Anyone right now can create a completely anonymous sockpuppet account and start antagonizing Leffen with threats of harm, and yet if this happens, Hax is the one who is entirely at fault for making Leffen feel unsafe, even if the person doing it is specifically doing it to spite Hax because they don't like him. Yet if this were done to any other community figurehead like Hbox, Mango, Zain, Cody or whoever, the same standards are not applied. I guarantee Hbox still gets detractors that are from the time Leffen continuously perpetuated the notion that Hbox was "ruining the game", and I bet some of them send him super vile crap too, and yet those same standards Hax is held, Leffen conveniently isn't held to the same ones. He's never been punished at all or even vilified by the community for his contributions towards inciting the harassment of another competitor because of the incredible excuse of "everyone took shots at hbox".
smash standards are so low that leffen is a saint in comparison.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up the new smash doc and how Leff basically bullied the producer to redacting factual statements about him
leffen waking up and realizing he forgot the milk (he will find a way to blame hbox for this one)
He has, in fact, grown and matured. In the same way as a turd left in a shoebox for a few years, festering and stinking up every space in contact with it.
Matured like the wart on my ball sack
A turd eventually dries up and breaks apart. In some cases, it becomes fossilized and taken for study. Maybe even great fertilizer for healthy grass. Are you implying Leffen has some value hmm? 🧐
Wait until he goes to twitter and tells everyone that your DRG turret build is bad.
So who's going to be brave enough to post this to the smash reddits.
I bet they wouldn't watch it then ban you for controversy
Shoutouts to SimpleFlips
Shoutouts to SimpleFlips
Shoutouts to SimpleFlips
Leffen's gonna be punished if he starts competing for that Riot Fighting Game anyway, cause Riot has way WAY stricter guidelines for there games professional circuit then like normal grassroot FGC, and dude is not mature enough to live out by those guidelines
ngl im tired of waiting for this dude to get banned at this point. every 2 months or so we get a new leffen video and comments saying he will be banned soon. it never comes.
@@johnmarkson1990he is the Negan of esports
I bet Leffen would throw anyone under the bus regardless of their loyalty to him to make sure he comes out on top
Machiavellian psycho. Seriously can anyone even name a single other esports player who almost 100% chance has this mental disorder? Probably not.
It's actually gross to me how many ppl from the smash community support Leffen. I seriously don't understand it.
Try not to be a terrible person challenge, level impossible (your name is Leffen).
I managed to escape that
The ban list isn’t long because the smash community’s standards are too low. It’s a barrier-of-entry thing. There are almost no restrictions to entering the smash community, and so you’ll of course need to filter out people. In professional sports the barrier of entry is so high that those people are naturally filtered out from the start.
Couldn't put my finger on it, and damn that's a great observation.
Still high compared to other fighting games banned player lists and other sports as well. Which has similar entry barrier levels as smash
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@@adammarkovic3316 Melee (and Smash tourneys in general) is grassroots. It certainly has the SIZE of a mainstream eSport, but it doesn't have regulation like other orgs and TO's would, and subsequently have a far smaller barrier on it's face. Legally binding TOS, waivers, etc. Smash doesn't have a FRACTION of the player control that other games would have.
This is a great observation on the player base that can enter tournaments for smash
Leffen's popularity is why no one asks these questions. As you said, it's the assumed explanation: "he's popular, so he won't be banned." Just see the comments calling you out simply for being against the status quo, it definitely at least plays a part in how he's gotten away with it. Good video though, manipulation and bullying are sadly allowed in esports if it's on the side of the TOs
Leffen has been a trash human being since the beginning of his gaming career, he's one of the most toxic people you could ever meet. It's nice to see people aren't putting up with his BS anymore.
God is desperately trying to make him repent.
I grew up with "Sticks & Stones", so it's funny watching people get so offended over words
@@kylespevak6781 Look at dingbat over here, pretending he's immune to being offended. Having fun playing make believe in fairytale land?
@@CoronaMage "Words can never hurt me" bro. Yeah, I'm secure enough and know myself well enough that some asshole calling me names has no effect, and just shows how childish and immature they are. Like, go ahead and try and offend me. There's nothing you can say that will, because I know myself better than you and own my flaws
The problem is the few that are still putting up with it and letting it happen also hold all the power in the Smash "community" to enforce disciplinary action on people
It's just frustrating right? We've seen Leffen's pattern of behavior, we've seen the hypocrisy of the smash community, and somehow it keeps getting worse!
Something has to change man, as an oldy, I've watched them dig their own hole and double down on bullshit time after time. It's insufferable, and is the main reason I stopped following smash around 2018. Cool game, horrible people running it.
Same. Put down my gamecube controller and Captain Falcon for the Monster Hunter franchise’s Charge Blade and Gunlance. PVE helps with being less toxic too.
@@CTomCooper Dope, I ended up switching to arcade-like games. Rhythm games, puzzle fighters, shmups, etc. Games with high skill ceilings and tons of skill expression.
Leffen is a professional victim
i think we can all say that the smash tournament higher-ups are just smoking something else
I wonder if Leffen will play the victim card on this one
Of course he will. In his mind, Leffen has never done anything wrong and is always the victim.
I got permabanned from Leffen's Twitch chat for advocating against hard-pressing L-cancels. He pulled up my chat history, read my points and said whatever, then saw me say "If you soft-press L-cancel, maybe you too can get 4th at Genesis!"
Instant ban, but I made him bleed. ggs
I remember you, homie. You're an absolute legend, for that one. 🫡🫡
@@LucidMakesVideos - Thank you for your part in calling out double standards for justice.🤝
I'm so glad this is being seen more openly. I remember years ago falling for the hbox hate leffen was spewing as a young melee fan (i held tournaments in my highschool) and looking back what he was doing was DISGUSTING. He needs to be permanently banned too.
Ban Leffen. From everything.
Yea, you know a player is problematic when no community welcomes him and wants him. That GG Strive EVO win was quiet.
My favorite kind of music is leffen diss tracks
This is what bothers me. Leffen has undeniably done wrong, and that's ok. Everyone has done wrong, hax too. What I find so upsetting is that Leffen has been forgiven by Hungrybox, Mew2King, and a lot of the Melee community, but he somehow fails to offer the same forgiveness to hax that has been afforded to him by so many people. I'm not sure what the word for it is, but it baffles and upsets me that Leffen is unable to see how he could have EASILY been the one perma banned had it not been for the mercy of those he wronged. Irony at its finest.
Entitled is the word that comes to my mind.
It's not irony. Your mistake is making the assumption that he doesn't know exactly what he is doing when he deliberately manipulates and bullies his way to do what he wants. These are deliberate intentional decisions, not accidents.
Leffen is easily the most straight EVIL person in all of esports. Not even subtle, either. Hes probably a machiavellian person which is honestly scary.
The fact he isnt banned but haxx is, is just flat out insane.
Leffen wanted to get pissy, saying that the only reason people hated that he won Evo was because he was a smash player, so why then was there no outrage when the entire SF6 top 3 at Momocon was smash players? It's because Leffen is an absolutely terrible person.
And they are still wondering why Nintendo doesn't support their community and their competitive scene.
I think its mostly due to the nintendo being over secured because of the fear of another video game crash (Don't think its happening), but that might be also a jigsaw puzzle in the image.
They never did dicknips there's been a complete lack of support since before MLG. It's not because of the few total shitheads in the community.
I hear this sentiment repeated all the time but if you know about panda then you know this just isn’t true. It’s possible they had incentive to distance themselves from the scene in 2020 when a ton of shit came out, but otherwise they did not care about any of this when discussing partnership with panda
@@saturnjr9136The reason they planned to partner with Panda was precisely because Panda wasn't like the rest of the scene and was instead a professional and profitable organization that could actually maintain a stable relationship and had detailed and functional plans for future growth. But as usual smash leadership and the degenerate elements of the smash community, of which there are many, had to kneecap the scene once more. Im convinced the same will happen if another org like Luminosity steps up too. This community is beyond salvation.
@@Parthian6 What you think of Panda is besides the point. Nintendo has shown they were willing to partner with an org AFTER all the metoo shit happened. Nintendo doesn’t give a fuck. If there’s one thing they care about, it’s having careful control over their IPs which is something Panda was willing to compromise on.
Has anyone asked Leffen to show proof of death threats?
The day when he gets perma banned is the day Melee will shine again
Well he committed slander, that's enough, also punishing the parts of the Melee community for not reporting him.
Bro no one sends death threats to Leffen lmao. But that's just a classic Leffen true combo
i mostly agree with technicals however leffen is a special case
so special in fact that that what he has done is far beyond any redemption that could be achieved (f.e. bringing zero on the verge of committing suicide)
he doesnt show any genuine remorse, he is unwilling to learn from "mistakes"- he still acts the way he does deliberately and effectively is the same a**hole hes been ever since
therefore he should unquestionably be permabanned FULL STOP
It really goes to show just how much influence really matters. Unless Leffen does something blatantly illegal, nobody is going to bother getting him out of the scene.
It's kinda like the Pokemon community where competitors can break the rules on stream but because the TOs have so much influence over decisions, nothing will get done about it. Nevermind the fact that cheating is so normalized over there anyway.
He committed perjury lol. Actual law enforcement would condemn this man before the TOs, and even then they’d probably post bail for him
Unless leffen does what some smash players in 2020 did he's not getting banned or he could pull the ltg ceroblast incident be a transphobe
@@TheNoMoreGamercrimes I know he did
Criminal conspiracy and slander for defamation
The fact that nobody in the melee community has stood up for is really sickening.
Believe it or not, sp1nda actually spoke up once about how Leffen's actions actively hurt the community and he should be held accountable. Sadly, people brushed it off.
people are scared to speak up.
I was there during the stream covering this topic. I like that you started the video with that interesting fact that real sports teams rarely ban anyone if at all. I also like your choice of music, the SA2 and JSRF??? That was a lovely thing to hear for a newcomer like me, but obviously I have bias towards that stuff. Thank you for covering this.
#FreeHax
I think to add on to this. I also think because Leffen is a villain and the TOs like keeping him around as he brings attention to their product.
the scene is at its lowest bc of the poor leadership its a shame
Honestly, the guy just seems like a horrible person through and through and this is coming from someone not in the smash community.
11 yrs after the ban and this guy is still acting a fool. Holy christ, he gets a million 2nd chances.
Treating Leffen like the heel of the smash community has at least one major flaw; heels are acting. I may not watch a whole lot of wrestling, but I get the feeling they're not actually trying to break their opponent's leg or disregard the rules of the match, it's part of the performance. Leffen isn't acting, that's how he actually is, and there are consequences to real people for the way he behaves.
Such a bizarre video from you, but you did hit the nail in the head. When you really start peeling back the layers, almost every issue the Smash community has comes from its incompetent leadership.
9:28
“he’s got old reliable”
spongebob manifests into frame
no YOU got old reliable tech
How on God's Green Earth is this channel crossing over with ANOTHER of my interests.
Edit: I knew a guy who would act like Leffen. This was EXTREMELY back in the day, though; as in, pre-TF2 2007. Brawl wasn't even out yet. Essentially this guy would go so hard on me that I quit trying to play smash brawl and go to events, meetups, etc. Didn't have anywhere NEAR Leffen level of skill though, thankfully! Hahaha
A big thing as to why leffen gets different treatment is that everyone is used to leffen being a dick, not that it's fine, but people just brush it off now
Now do one on ltg
Lucid would probably end up getting assassinated if he actually did that.
Stop promoting that cringer. Nobody cares about LTG
Can’t wait for Leffen’s tweet
I think you should add Leffen's name to the title. Good video.
Not a bad idea :)
13:00 Let's go a cameo from a _great entertainer he is._
I'm glad to see Simple's vid in here. I don't know if I'm the reason for that at all and even if I am I don't want to take credit for that since this whole video is _your_ video but I remember mentioning SimpleFlips' video in one of your MineCraft live streams so it's cool to actually see that video here too.
Regardless, this is a good video. I don't engage in the smash community at all and only ever sink myself in video essay stuff like this video and a ton of TurnDownForWalt's content so I don't think it's right of me to say what the smash community is supposed to be but I hope for how deep this issue is that I, as a barely passive observer could not see the full extent of, certainly hope for things to get better in whatever form better looks to be.
Whats even crazier is a former smasher named JK was temporarily banned for the following:
attempted vehicular homicide against Charliedaking, S2H, Technicals and others.
Just in case people don't see the irony:
JK got a TEMPORARY ban for actively trying to kill a group of people.
Hax got a PERMANENT ban for making a 2-hour long video against Leffen where he compared Leffen to Hitler.
Like, both are pretty bad, but I don't necessarily agree with the literal attempted manslaughter having a less severe punishment than the verbal harassment.
Hold on, HOLD ON!!!!... Is this true?
@@jakethedog1483 Yeah, Technicals himself said it multiple times on his Twitter account. JK even got his ban lifted and got banned AGAIN after he threatened a few people.
@@Akari_A_ people are killing eachother over a game, wtf?!...
@@jakethedog1483 Nah, JK had actual mental illnesses and the attempted homicide had nothing to do with the game itself.
I feel like this video could have had an impact but the community it gonna ignore it cause technicals is in it
I'm a simple man, I see a video bringing light on Leffen's crimes, I like and subscribe
Thank you for making this video
Leffen is the worst human to grace this community (and that’s saying a lot)
I only know Leffen cuz everyone makes fun of him whenever he appeared on a tourney, Im no surprised so many ppl trash talk him
"For some reason, the Smash community's tolerance is lower than other esports"
...Yeah... THAT'S why their banlist is longer... right...
Great video #FreeHax
Hell, FreeMelee at this point. Screw these TO’s tolerating this.
Pretty sure if the old smash boards were posted everyone would be banned
It feels like this video doesnt acknowledge its lack of perspective. Its evident that a lot of people within the community *think* he's changed since 2013 and they also believe he intentionally plays a villian. This video probably has merit, but it falls short establishing credibility by actually talking to people like who know him, like Armada, and peoole who emforce the community guidelines. Without these things, it lacks the ability to truly drive its point home.
Bro. I wanna listen to the video but you keep playing all these BOPS in the background lol
Love the video AND the taste in OSTs. Thank you for your hard work
So glad to see a fellow hax truther
This was an incredibly good video. Great points on the TO's and other "higher-ups" within the community that continue to enable and perpetuate his behavior. Imagine the amount of pain saved if they just slapped him with a permanent ban and had it done with
I'm so glad hbox came back from his "heel run" he got so much undeserved hate for practically no reason.. I'm sorry you find puff boring but that doesn't mean you throw a crab at the guy
Leffen is so toxic. And he is genuinely just “A terrible human being”, to use his own words.
"oh hey, it's that guy who was mentioned in emplemon's video on hbox, i wonder what's up with him"
Reminder that the Smash community's code of conduct isn't made by an official law.
That's besides the point though. People have gotten banned for less, and those rules, however flawed they might be in either spirit or letter, are not being enforced for him in the same way they're enforced for other players. It's clear favoritism. The actual validity of the rules only matters if they're being enforced evenly.
No tournament or CoC is made by an "official law". It's exactly as it sounds, a Code of Conduct. You think EVO or Genesis is going to the white house to get their CoC passed into laws?
@@tiredwhitemagesquared issue is if they enforce on leffen they have to enforce on everyone. thats a huge portion of the community just gone.
@@johnmarkson1990
Good. Don't keep toxicity in the community when you can remove it.
@@hadouradiance3566 i read the rules and i have broken some of them too. if they enforce the rules we will just make our own community. people like zain mkleo will move into our community cause its way bigger and competitive.
You didn’t say this in the video but Leffen also corroborated a false story about ZeRo, a pro player, allegedly showing explicit content to minors, which was confirmed to be a false allegation made by Jisu, an artist and climate activist, in an attempt to cancel ZeRo, as such Leffen committed Perjury, which is a felony, as such Leffen should also face consequences from the law
Good video bro
Did not expected the Deep Rock Galactic soundtrack. Rock and stone!
So sad to hear that you got a lifetime ban at all smash events for this video 😮💨
4:12 Bro, what the snowflake? Insomnia isn't serious. Like, if you gave trouble sleeping, that can be insomnia
Liked and subscribed.
Love the use of Jet Set Radio music
Mastered getting away with it is a generous term. The smash pro scene seems worse than highschool drama
Wouldn’t insomnia be considered physical health instead of mental health? Being unable to sleep seems like a bodily defect rather than a psychological one
Awesome video dude!
And people ignore all this, because he press the buttons real good. 🤯
Where did you get the permanent ban list? I couldn’t find it
Surprised elegant is not on the list then again he is an ultimate player
Why did you edit off the timestamps of certain leffen tweets? Makes it seem like you are trying to link unrelated events together. Just a strange choice on a well done video.
Now is the best time to leave that dumpsterfire of a community behind. Did wonders for my life.
Leffen was doing okay at first when he came back to the scene with this villain arch type but just continued to push the boundaries on whats acceptable...then you couple that with him being manipulative when he starts to receive hate back is just wildly hialrious. Leffen cant truly see how much of a spineless, immature, going on 30 but still a child type nerd he really is...
You nailed it bro, good work
The first name on the Global Ban List looks familiar...feel like I've met them somewhere....Anyways, God bless everyone!
Great documented video my dude.
You are a great communicator and video maker. The way you articulate yourself in these videos makes it so easy to grasp whatever topic you're bringing forth.
Honestly, the more I get reminded of the injustice which is Leffen's transgressions (other than the Sweden ban) going unpunished, the more I get bitter towards the blatantly biased, unqualified and hypocritical (add other adjectives here) "top heads" in this community community. It's actually a joke.
Was that the Deep Rock Galactic swarm theme?
Well done Lucid, TF2 players also happen to like Melee.
13:06 hey hey hey it also quite literally fucking stinks.
Leffen can break the rules on frame 1 and he's invincible while doing it. Hard to beat that
12:35 Song?
Play the video on tv and Shazam it on phone
well said, this guy has off vibes i dont get why people are willing to tolerate it.
Has Hax been unbanned yet? 🤨
im not sure how this world got to a point where "i can play a videogame good" transitions too "im allowed whatever i want to do", sry but jeah respect to his game skills, but at the end of the day he is just a guy playing videogames. If he is unhealthy to a community, just remove him, like every unhealthy individual and ignore his barks.
IMO should be replayed
The stuff in the 2012 era was pretty inexcusable but recently i think his actions are being blown out of proportion. Leffen is rude for sure but everyone’s framing him to be pure evil when he: Said he didn’t like HBox for playing lame and not running friendlies help people learn the jiggs mu, complains about characters he deems brain dead, calls people bad, and laughs at Hax for blaming his insomnia on himself.
Also don’t downplay why Hax was banned. Hax made extremely sensitive information about another player public knowledge, not the same as making a jab at someone’s insomnia that they already weaponized.