And, my personal favorite, calling yourself diverse and inclusive by favoring only POC's while being blatantly racist towards white people. When you exclude 1 demographic, that's when your narrative goes straight out the window.
Send one of their yes men to spew the current talking points. Are they even capable of doing anything besides that? Anything else may be deemed way-sis-um.
@@blackleague212 lol. black american here. veteran too. drinker fan as well. we outnumber race baiters like you. leave entertainment to the pros that got years in the field. shouldn't you be out campaigning for cackling kamala?
@@yunusgokcen174 literally hundreds of pure racist RUclips commentators out there bro… I think you need to edit your comment to speak more directly to the topic cause this reply of yours looks dum af
Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic aren't influencing anybody. They're simply giving a voice to the vast majority of us who are _absolutely sick_ of left wing slop being crammed in to literally every form of entertainment in society. You're not crazy. You're not anywhere near alone. We're the majority. We're right. We're finally starting to win.
He is your Classic token black yes man working fra Disney. I really don't like yes man's because the will never pointing out if something bad in the product.
And another one every time you see him wanting to scream "racist" when Esther Krakue calls him out on his BS but realises he can't. This guy had his -ists and -foobs all lined up to "win" the debate and then was confronted not just by the Drinker and Nerdrotic, but also by Esther Krakue. She took all the wind out of his sails and showed him for the fool he is.
" i am incapable/unwilling to relate to people who don’t look like me! I'm SO "inclusive" and "tolerant", guys!"- the "inclusive" people The narcissism is disgusting.
I've never really believed in the idea of genre fatigue, bad moview faitgue sure, but as long as the movies are well written, directed and acted it can succeed, a lot of people point the the death of the Westerns as an example, but did they die because people stopped wanting to see them, or because overtime the quality decreased, followed by a period of attempts at subversion and reinvention which didn't resonate leading to eventual death of the genre
The way that Ernest Owens sits there making faces as the people who don't agree with him speak is really immature and disrespectful. He comes across as a pouty brat.
I couldn't care less about having a diverse cast IF it makes sense and ISNT the whole story content. It's beyond a trope now and has made things unwatchable.
Context, historical/geographical/demographic fidelity even in fantasy, is also paramount; what makes sense for a crime drama set in modern NYC is glaringly out of place, and downright insulting, if it's a period crime drama set in, say, feudal Japan.
@@Buddahmonk It's a cynical back-patting brag to impress their peers and a self-aggrandizing virtue-signal for the benefit of the (non existing) Modern Audience, and a preemptive circling of the wagons for when their lame product invariably fails. Even normies are beginning to catch on to their grift.
a lot of problem is that they are trying to make diverse cast as the main selling point and that's not good. The main selling point should always be the story and entertaining the audience.
Right, nobody complained that Mutaugh was black in Lethal Weapon. Nobody complained that Ripley was a woman in the Alien franchise. Nobody complained that Beverly Hills Cop had a black lead and an outrageously homosexual guy working at the art gallery. It was not diversity for the sake, it was just part of the story. It wasn't the GOAL of the movies, it was just part of the overall story.
I'm a writer and an artist and I can tell you that identity politics ruin everything. People who resort to this do it because they are not capable of creating anything interesting.
Unless disney fires these woke clowns and offers up a proper apology I will never pay for another product. And I know that many others feel this way. They have completely and utterly betrayed us. And deserve to go broke.
Diversity in what the sexual orientation and skin color of the professional managerial class people - who all have the same kind of parents, go to all the same kinds of excellent schools, go to the same kinds of colleges, get the same types of degrees, and live the same exact damn lives in urban centers - that is the only kind of diversity they care about. Ironically, the only thing about the Marxism they believe in is how ideology works, that is the process of the rulers always trying to dictate culture and thinking via useful middle class tools...
The contrarian guy is proudly displaying a book called “The Case for Cancel Culture” on his shelf. His opinion should be disqualified immediately for that.
Once they remove all divisive political issues from their production, fire all activists and start to focus on what the majority of people likes and wants, they'll start the healing process. Of course this doesn't mean that everything will magically become a masterwork but it means that there will be much less flops because 90% of people hate ideological messaging in their entertainement.
Problem is that those people are now so imbedded into the company that getting rid of them is hard overnight, and their hiring policies have made sure no one with talent will ever willingly work with them just to ruin their reputation.
Amazon pulled a few years back "The Expanse" and it was full of "diversity" but wasn't woke or forced and the plot was very good cause it was well written!
They're taking orders from....the higher ups 😬. If you've ever played Stellaris you'll recognize what they're doing. Take control of the entertainment in an attempt to mold society to get to the outcome you want. What lifestyles are being prodiminately pushed nowadays? Lifestyles that ensure people won't have children. Interesting... why? Well the global elites have been trying to tackle the "overpopulation" problem for decades. Instead of outright wiping 90% of the population, they can encourage lifestyles that will ensure this will happen by itself. There's more that they're doing but, that's it in a nutshell.
Only for legit artists and those who want to make money. Disney issues stocks so becomes a hobby project for self congratulating corporates who happen to hate Walt the man Disney.
That woman on the show absolutely demolishes him every time she speaks. She went beast mode on him several times and I thought he was going to cry at one point. What a legend.
You know the entire time he was thinking how easy it would be to detail the conversation by declaring drinker and nerdrodic various types of bigoted and incels and I believe the tears of frustration was because he knew he couldn't do that as long as she was a participant.
@@rustyshackleford1062exactly, they brought her on cause they knew obviously they’re gonna constantly throw out the miss-ah-ginny and weigh-sis-um garbage, but that’s much harder to do when they’ve got a 👩🏾 there defending them.
That person from Disney says - quite plainly - that if a show isn't "diverse" then it's "feeding to an all-white cast". Excuse me, what about all black? Or all Asian? Neither of them are "diverse". Black Panther was not "diverse". Does he know the MEANING of the word "diverse" ? I can well believe that he doesn't.
These people use words not the same way as you an me do. Their diverse doesn't mean the same as when we use diverse. In their lingo diverse means non-white, it's double speak to hide their own racism. It is why it is impossible to talk to these people. Look into James Lindsay latest talks and book if you want to understand more on this topic.
@@DavidByrden1 Thank you too! Asking them to define the words would be a very good idea. Sadly it rarely happends. Very often with mainstream channels the journalists are part of the in-group as well and already radicalised, which stops their critical thinking. And when more skeptical journalists do it, it often leads to rage or a word salad (ask them to define gender, a man, a woman, diversity, equity, inclusion) from the person questioned. All those words and many more have a specific meaning within the dogma that is different from what common people use. In that regard this whole “critical theory” / “identity politics” dogma has a lot in common with religious fundamentalism. And you’ll get the same reactions as with religious fundamentalism (unlike with moderates). Since it is new we should spread awareness of this. I think most normal/ neutral people will disagree with the ideas these people propose. But since the double and different meaning of the words they use (which all sound nice) people tend to go along. Most people are nice and empathic and like to help and please their fellow humans, which is exactly what this exploits. Everything is designed to exclude the majority in a certain spectrum. Black Lives Matter suggests everybody else doesn’t. LGBTQ+ is an abbreviation to exclude straight people. BIPOC, in the USA means everybody except white people. In Europe BIPOC it isn’t used of course since Europeans are the I (indigenous) in Europe. James Lindsay makes a convincing case that “critical theory/ identity politics” is communism for the west. I really recommend it, he explains it very eloquently. He has a speech for the EU parliament, a bit under half an hour. It summarizes a lot.
If it has only one minority in it, then it's not diverse. Shows like From are diverse because the MC is a black sheriff in a small town, and his deputy is an Asian dude in his mid-20s. The rest of the cast is white. The baddies are literal monsters that are disguised as humans.
As a creator; if you write an entertaining story, pilot, film or song, and people absorb that media and go "It was great, but where is the inclusivity or diversity?" Your immediate response should be to disregard whatever 'critique' they give you. If that's the only problem your creation has, you're good. I promise you, you're good.
They don't care about the message... they get money from blackrock to put the message in everything.. disney is the false villian.. blackrock is the real villian...
I don't think the 'kiss' had anything to do with the bad writing. I watched the whole thing and can't remember much of it... just he beginning... and the kiss had nothing to do with it... the writing did.
@@DaveBjornRappOh yes it is a sign of bad writing. That's what they wanted, despite the common sense people who wanted to keep things sane told them. They disobeyed, just to push an unwanted "in your face" agenda, while making Buzz Lightyear the villain at the end (the Zerg face reveal). It's bad all the way around, and the stuff that happened while in production and post-production between those LGBT+ activists/ "allies" and the ones who wanted to keep the movie alright and not agenda driven is to blame. Not the ones who criticize based on the information given.
Do take note how when Drinker is asked about "woke" agenda he doesn't take the obvious slam dunk but rather brings up much more complex issue than just "woke = bad." Unlike what the...uh... certain part of the public, let's call them, tries to smear him as? I've seen and heard people just box him as another right wing commentator. This man is so passionate about cinematography as a form of art it's mindblowing.
I've said before if you want diversity, diversify the folklore. Instead of taking a European fairy tale and race swap characters, for example use African mythology and cast black characters. I mean Moana was cultural, no one complained. Princess and the Frog, Encanto, and Raya. They just need to give as much respect to the live action versions as they have to the animated ones.
@@4lackofbetter a good example is gaz of thrones , it was diverse, and all races weren't homogeneously mixed all the time. You could identify where characters came from by how they looked or their accents
@@Raven3557 Yeah, but that isn't Disney. I wasn't much of a fan but I can see what you mean. My roommate was a fan so I saw more of it than I intended.
Wow, I am at 1:22 and have already seen "Disney's" representative have a "Case for Cancel Culture" book on his shelf turned TOWARDS the camera, pretty obvious lol.
If you’re gonna bring up the black panther sequel, you gotta factor in Chadwick Boseman not being in it, a huge loss in life but of course for the Black Panther franchise
It's rather amazing how much of an impact Disney has had making these movies to warp people perceptions in the subject of "representation" and how much they have now, when very little is needed to remind them and SHOW them that it's always been there. I'll never forget a moment I had working in a theater when the 1st Black Panther debuted. I was tearing tickets for people coming in (WE SOLD OUT), and a dude walked up, wearing this all black with gold trim ensemble with a gold chain necklace around his neck. He told me "Man, it feels awesome to finally have a black super hero in a comic book movie, ya know!?" I didn't even bat an eye and I just said "Blade." "What?" "BLADE? The Day Walker??? Bad ass vampire hunter!? He had a whole trilogy of movies! Including BEING a Marvel Super Hero for decades?" "........oh."
The problem is what they stated... they think DEI is a substitute for good writing. They would rather hire a diverse cast and give them a bad script... rather than make a good script and then give it to a diverse cast. It sounds crazy when spoken out loud, but the Disney defender said that they needed more DEI and the poor quality in writing wasn't the issue. Which ironically sounds more racist as it claims that diverse people shouldn't be given good scripts.
they did that since Steven Universe as well. They cut a lot and it shows because I (someone who watched the show) don't know that there's several things cut out from my TV channel and talk about it, it trigger some people from the states. I guess they don't know about the censored stuff overseas lol. That actually led me to finding out how effed up the w oke people are.
Both of them should be hired by Disney to run the whole damn company. Both have more integrity and work ethic in their pinky fingers than all of Disney's staff baha
Also keep in mind that most Disney films are SPECIFICALLY marketed to children. So having divisive political messaging comes across at attempts of indoctrinating innocent kids to bend to their ideas, which parents hate. And hyper sexuality and the promotion of sexual topics feels not only indoctrinating but also inappropriate and obscene. Parents don’t want to subject their children to this kind of nonsense, even less than they want to be subjected to it themselves.
I've started watching physical movies almost exclusively. I'm so tired of paying hand over fist for the crap on streaming services when the best movies were made 10+ years ago.
There was diversity in The Wire, and nobody complained about how crap the writing was and promoted the show purely as a show with about and solely concerned with how diverse it was without referring to the show, what its about or why you should watch it except to show off your rainbow flag credentials.
The problem with Disney is that they thought that we would all just smile and eat the plate of shit they left out. The truth is we all left their space and their box office was nuked.
I like how "fatigue" has been the excuse for like, what, 4 years now? Uh, I guess that asks first, "how long are people supposed to BE fatigued for" and "if they're still so fatigued, why are you making these movies still?" No, it is not, and it never WAS "fatigue". If there was such fatigue then Deadpool and Wolverine would not be the MASSIVE success that it was.
If it was fatigue, Deadpool and Spiderman wouldn't have made anywhere near as much money as they did. And I don't even think the new deadpool movie was that good. It was basically nothing but a string of "hey, remember this character? Weren't they cool?" with a couple good wolverine character moments sprinkled in. But that movie still made more than any other marvel project in years because it wasn't the same woke bullshit they've been shitting down the pipeline nonstop. I don't think it deserved as much as it made, but I understand why it did. People are so starved for something that isn't absolute dogshit that they'll settle for a bare minimum of mediocrity.
Modern Disney is dead to me and to millions of others as well. We are tired of the pathetic grooming of our youth and just the plain awful writing. I'll stick with the classics. I'd rather watch 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954) than ANY of the latest garbage from Disney. No they wont learn until they run out of money. Not until they hit rock bottom choking on their own vomit in the gutter like any junkie.
Still we ignore the real problem, ESG, Black Rock, Vanguard and all the racketeering investment shenanigans that is driving this. Iger would be out and Disney would have turned the corner if not for these investment companies voting other peoples shares against the shareholders better interest.
When they turned Captain America, Tinkerbell and ariel black it was the final straw I got rid of everything Disney and marvel from my collection and glad I did because they are now worthless to collectors. When the force woke garbage came out, I got rid of all my star was stuff as well and for the same reasons. They abandoned the fans and took a woke stance to discuss everyone they hate that being the fans that spent probably over a trillion dollars to make them what they were and now they are realizing that it was a mistake and not firing enough woke people rather they fired all the heterosexual white males that made the stories good.
The only reason that Deadpool and Wolverine came out as "unwoke" as it is... is because Ryan fought Disney like a demon to prevent the Woke changes. This is NOT to the credit of Disney. It is to the credit of a very strong Ryan, who they could not just put down like they did Gina.
Now to remove all the Woke/DEI criteria out of the movie award shows. Emmys, Academy Awards, Oscars, etc. It has nothing to do with a good movie or acting. It's just pushing an agenda.
Disney is never going to learn Nyrion. They’re just going to reign in the misandrist messaging but they'll always be anti-male at their core. Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic aren’t helping either, they still can’t say who's really doing this and why
Just like in video games, these companies need to stop hiring people that hate (or don't even know about or care) about the source material. People who are into particular works of fiction don't really appreciate when someone with no knowledge or interest in those works of fiction come in a re-write and butcher the stories.
These people are gonna believe whatever they want and will defend it to the death even in the face of facts and reality. Stop arguing with them or trying to reason just let them stand and fail on their own it's their money.
2 things. 1) many of the activists probably dismissed this debate due to the bias shown by the man leading the debate as set up to skew the story (it didnt lets be honest but lack of "impartiallity" does hurt it). 2) black panther obviously succeeded because it was good, the "diversity" was literally just them being generally accurate to the place they set the movie in, like featuring brown bears in north america, but polar bears in anartica, instead of "diversifying" bears by putting a movie set in WA state featuring an an all polar bear cast
I couldn't''t agree more, not because I'm against the whole LGBTQ+ thing, but rather because the writing took a huge hit when the story was 2nd to the agenda. England produces many movies and TV shows with LGBTQ+ people in them, but they're well written stories - not some checkbox ticking spreadsheet.
Disney isn’t ignoring DEI-they're one of its main champions! They prioritize ideology over fans, and their own management admits it in meetings that have been recorded and shared online. Disney isn't clueless; they've been ideologically captured. And to the Disney supporter: don’t start with "There’s been a lot of misinformation." That only reveals you're also ideologically captured. These phrases are exactly what the woke use. No self-reflection.
What Disney and all these other companies don’t seem to understand is that the biggest issue is poor story telling. You can have a “diverse” cast or a strong female lead and still make great movie. And we have tons of examples like Alien, Black Panther, and the original Star Wars trilogy just to name a few. But instead of having a good story first they only care about checking the boxes of DEI. And yes a lot of people don’t want to see “the message” but if it’s a great movie people will still go see it even if it has “the message”.
Even under Walt, Disney made very little original content. Since his passing, they buy the companies who come up with originals and run those stories into the ground.
Holy cow! That's the first time I've heard Drinker doing an analysis of the entertainment industry while sober! He's just as brilliant while sober as he is drunk.
8:21 "How.ev.ver, what's missing in this con.ver.sa.tion..." His attitude is disgusting. Plus, ANYONE who rolls their eyes that much at stuff with which they disagree should be shunned into oblivion.
The opposite with being obsessed with featuring non whites is NOT to use only white people ! The opposite is not to obsess over race! They cannot see they are trapped thinking people are racist and sexist.
Disney is channeling their inner Genral Melchett (from Blackadder), "General Melchett : If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. "
I am not optimistic about Disney. I believe that Deadpool and Wolverine was an outlier. They are not going to allow a movie that’s catered to fans ever again. Everything has to have an agenda. They can fire whoever they want, but they’re going to hire activists.
the gay kiss in Lightyear was not the reason why that movie flop. It was boring as fuck. It has the same quality as those bad straight to video disney sequel from the 90's but for some reason it was given a huge budget. And I guess they tried to score diversity points with the gay kiss but it clearly didn't work. We should stop bringing it up because it was non consequential
It's not super hero movie fatigue. It's piss poor story telling and woke political messaging fatigue. People are tired of being scolded and preached to in their entertainment options.
People like and watch good movies. People DON'T like and DON'T watch bad movies. It's a simple equation. No matter what they tell you, 2+2 DOES NOT equal 5.
I gotta say at the end where you say they are finally listening to channels like the critical drinker and nerdrotic, AND MINE that was funny. Good video
In 'Inside Out'; What gender are the Mother's Emotions? All Female. What gender are the Father's Emotions? All Male. What gender are the Daughter's Emotions? LGBT Propaganda for Children.
Well I woupd argure that since Riley is not gay in inside out 2 that might have been unintentainal I veiw it as anima and animus as she is still developing into straight white girl
Did Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic also bring up the DISLIKE of race and gender swapping of lead characters, and portraying men and white people as bad or broken?
When you are working in the arts, you don't work to get financially rich, you work to enrich yourself as a human being. This is something corporations are insensitive to. Art and corporations mix as well together as oil and water.
If Disney has started cleaning “house of mouse 🐭“ of activists …… we won’t see change of this until a few years down the track when new Disney movies / animated movies are released. I hope this is true and Lucasfilms Star Wars etc is cleaned out too 💪😇🥳👍
Being an all black film is not diverse
And, my personal favorite, calling yourself diverse and inclusive by favoring only POC's while being blatantly racist towards white people.
When you exclude 1 demographic, that's when your narrative goes straight out the window.
You can't always do it: A movie about the first war of Scottish independence is going to have very little room for 'diverse' cast members.
@@paulmurgatroyd6372 Mads Mikkelsen could tell you all about it.
What? Are you suggesting Wakanda, an isolated authoritarian ethno state, isn't diverse? You should have your Twitter account cancelled!!!!
I enjoyed Blackula, Shaft, other movies of that time. Just remake them. I think they made a terrible shaft remake.
So Disney sent a disingenuous race baiter to the show. I am shocked. SHOCKED! Well not that shocked...
and then they asked for a struggle session for Nerdrotic.
Send one of their yes men to spew the current talking points. Are they even capable of doing anything besides that? Anything else may be deemed way-sis-um.
disney didn't send the gay black guy dude he just showed up out of nowhere because he's woke in general defending the woke slop in entertainment lol
No way 😮
Not the company with untold numbers of bots .... oh my
That person they sent is what perversion looks like. Not being gay and all that. But that person.
im so proud of drinker. i was there near the beginning of the channel. been there ever since. well deserved
Glad I also sticked around and paid attention to his takes.
@@yunusgokcen174so what he was racist from
The beginning he’s not American. He should mind his business on black American affairs.
@@blackleague212 lol. black american here. veteran too. drinker fan as well. we outnumber race baiters like you. leave entertainment to the pros that got years in the field. shouldn't you be out campaigning for cackling kamala?
@@blackleague212 None of these RUclips commentator channels are racist. If he didn't say what people think he wouldn't be popular.
@@yunusgokcen174 literally hundreds of pure racist RUclips commentators out there bro… I think you need to edit your comment to speak more directly to the topic cause this reply of yours looks dum af
Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic aren't influencing anybody. They're simply giving a voice to the vast majority of us who are _absolutely sick_ of left wing slop being crammed in to literally every form of entertainment in society.
You're not crazy. You're not anywhere near alone. We're the majority. We're right. We're finally starting to win.
“Get Woke Go Broke” has finally taken its full toll.
Take a shot everytime the black guy rolls his eyes
You wouldn't be conscious enough to watch all the way through to the end of the debate...
He is your Classic token black yes man working fra Disney.
I really don't like yes man's because the will never pointing out if something bad in the product.
I believe what you meant to say was, “blaggot”
EXCELLENT WORK. NYRION DISNEY'S WOKE IDENTIFY POLITICS
And another one every time you see him wanting to scream "racist" when Esther Krakue calls him out on his BS but realises he can't.
This guy had his -ists and -foobs all lined up to "win" the debate and then was confronted not just by the Drinker and Nerdrotic, but also by Esther Krakue. She took all the wind out of his sails and showed him for the fool he is.
" i am incapable/unwilling to relate to people who don’t look like me! I'm SO "inclusive" and "tolerant", guys!"- the "inclusive" people
The narcissism is disgusting.
That's also racism.
@@Neil.02 inclusive, but only for those that agree with them.
Well said!!!! Hypocrites to the nth degree.
they are using the words ergatively. when they say "inclusive" and "tolerant"
they mean "included" and "tolerated".
It's racist narcissism
if there was a fatigue Deapool Wolverine would've flopped.
when have you ever heard of a theif saying i am a thief.
They'll never admit their failures but keep blaming others, it's what they do.
I've never really believed in the idea of genre fatigue, bad moview faitgue sure, but as long as the movies are well written, directed and acted it can succeed, a lot of people point the the death of the Westerns as an example, but did they die because people stopped wanting to see them, or because overtime the quality decreased, followed by a period of attempts at subversion and reinvention which didn't resonate leading to eventual death of the genre
@@jkl-x7p A movie like that relieves the fatigue by doing something completely different and even does a parody of what caused the fatigue.
These people are rich idiots.
The way that Ernest Owens sits there making faces as the people who don't agree with him speak is really immature and disrespectful. He comes across as a pouty brat.
So, a gay black man who works for Disney is trying to lecture us that there is no DEI at the company? OK....
I couldn't care less about having a diverse cast IF it makes sense and ISNT the whole story content. It's beyond a trope now and has made things unwatchable.
Context, historical/geographical/demographic fidelity even in fantasy, is also paramount; what makes sense for a crime drama set in modern NYC is glaringly out of place, and downright insulting, if it's a period crime drama set in, say, feudal Japan.
You know it’s a bad sign when during the debut literally all they talk about is diversity and NOT how great the story is, the character development…
@@Buddahmonk It's a cynical back-patting brag to impress their peers and a self-aggrandizing virtue-signal for the benefit of the (non existing) Modern Audience, and a preemptive circling of the wagons for when their lame product invariably fails. Even normies are beginning to catch on to their grift.
a lot of problem is that they are trying to make diverse cast as the main selling point and that's not good. The main selling point should always be the story and entertaining the audience.
Right, nobody complained that Mutaugh was black in Lethal Weapon. Nobody complained that Ripley was a woman in the Alien franchise. Nobody complained that Beverly Hills Cop had a black lead and an outrageously homosexual guy working at the art gallery. It was not diversity for the sake, it was just part of the story. It wasn't the GOAL of the movies, it was just part of the overall story.
Very appropriate that Disney's "representative" rolls his eyes every time a decent point is made.
"Why won't they understand that this is not what I want to happen!"
To quote a reddit quote "I dont understand the logical outcome of my own debate thereform I am exempt from the consequences!"
Rolling of eyes = Search for active brain cells.
This DEI hire guy is using the panderstone. 😂
hahahaha MAKE IT LAME!
Shouldn't that be "pandAstone"? They are black and white and therefore more inclusive! 🤣
@@DaveBjornRappexcuse you but that’s NOT a dei hire. If media was diverse you would’ve seen him before .
@ianvincent69 🐼 Panda stone 💎
I'm a writer and an artist and I can tell you that identity politics ruin everything. People who resort to this do it because they are not capable of creating anything interesting.
Unless disney fires these woke clowns and offers up a proper apology I will never pay for another product. And I know that many others feel this way. They have completely and utterly betrayed us. And deserve to go broke.
Diversity in all it's forms, except diversity of thought.
Diversity in what the sexual orientation and skin color of the professional managerial class people - who all have the same kind of parents, go to all the same kinds of excellent schools, go to the same kinds of colleges, get the same types of degrees, and live the same exact damn lives in urban centers - that is the only kind of diversity they care about. Ironically, the only thing about the Marxism they believe in is how ideology works, that is the process of the rulers always trying to dictate culture and thinking via useful middle class tools...
Or White men.
As a Black person, I don't care about the color of the characters nearly as much as just having a good story.
Can’t wait for a Disney remake of “Roots” with a diverse cast.
That'll be the day!
Shaka Zulu with Brad Pitt as Shaka. That'll go over well, won't it?
Asians replaceing black people from their African culture, let's go👏
I might actually watch that one, since it's not about 'white man bad!'
😂 😂 😂 😂
The contrarian guy is proudly displaying a book called “The Case for Cancel Culture” on his shelf. His opinion should be disqualified immediately for that.
It appears that he doesn't like cancel culture in this interview
Once they remove all divisive political issues from their production, fire all activists and start to focus on what the majority of people likes and wants, they'll start the healing process.
Of course this doesn't mean that everything will magically become a masterwork but it means that there will be much less flops because 90% of people hate ideological messaging in their entertainement.
Problem is that those people are now so imbedded into the company that getting rid of them is hard overnight, and their hiring policies have made sure no one with talent will ever willingly work with them just to ruin their reputation.
Watch the Bir3mans Woke video.
and dont forget, start writing good too.
Cancel those who believe in Cancel CULTure.
People don't like heavy handed Christian messaging either.
Amazon pulled a few years back "The Expanse" and it was full of "diversity" but wasn't woke or forced and the plot was very good cause it was well written!
Can’t believe it’s taken this long for entertainment to become about entertainment again
Don't be so sure. The people who started this crap are still around and may just become more subtle like entertainment from 2000 til 2012.
They're taking orders from....the higher ups 😬. If you've ever played Stellaris you'll recognize what they're doing. Take control of the entertainment in an attempt to mold society to get to the outcome you want. What lifestyles are being prodiminately pushed nowadays? Lifestyles that ensure people won't have children. Interesting... why? Well the global elites have been trying to tackle the "overpopulation" problem for decades. Instead of outright wiping 90% of the population, they can encourage lifestyles that will ensure this will happen by itself. There's more that they're doing but, that's it in a nutshell.
we still got journalist and game industry to clean up.
@@CarsonJames116 Remember Kathleen Kennedy says she wanted to retire on a "win" blockbuster. She should have quit after the last Spider Man.
Only for legit artists and those who want to make money. Disney issues stocks so becomes a hobby project for self congratulating corporates who happen to hate Walt the man Disney.
That woman on the show absolutely demolishes him every time she speaks. She went beast mode on him several times and I thought he was going to cry at one point. What a legend.
You know the entire time he was thinking how easy it would be to detail the conversation by declaring drinker and nerdrodic various types of bigoted and incels and I believe the tears of frustration was because he knew he couldn't do that as long as she was a participant.
@@rustyshackleford1062exactly, they brought her on cause they knew obviously they’re gonna constantly throw out the miss-ah-ginny and weigh-sis-um garbage, but that’s much harder to do when they’ve got a 👩🏾 there defending them.
Esther Krakue. Go watch the podcasts she did with Lotus Eaters, this chick is a based goddess with a damn good smile.
Don’t assume gender !!!
Real
That person from Disney says - quite plainly - that if a show isn't "diverse" then it's "feeding to an all-white cast".
Excuse me, what about all black? Or all Asian? Neither of them are "diverse". Black Panther was not "diverse".
Does he know the MEANING of the word "diverse" ? I can well believe that he doesn't.
These people use words not the same way as you an me do. Their diverse doesn't mean the same as when we use diverse. In their lingo diverse means non-white, it's double speak to hide their own racism. It is why it is impossible to talk to these people. Look into James Lindsay latest talks and book if you want to understand more on this topic.
@@teqfreak Thank you.
So, every journalist in every interview should ask them to define the words they are using.
@@DavidByrden1 Thank you too! Asking them to define the words would be a very good idea. Sadly it rarely happends. Very often with mainstream channels the journalists are part of the in-group as well and already radicalised, which stops their critical thinking. And when more skeptical journalists do it, it often leads to rage or a word salad (ask them to define gender, a man, a woman, diversity, equity, inclusion) from the person questioned.
All those words and many more have a specific meaning within the dogma that is different from what common people use.
In that regard this whole “critical theory” / “identity politics” dogma has a lot in common with religious fundamentalism. And you’ll get the same reactions as with religious fundamentalism (unlike with moderates).
Since it is new we should spread awareness of this. I think most normal/ neutral people will disagree with the ideas these people propose. But since the double and different meaning of the words they use (which all sound nice) people tend to go along. Most people are nice and empathic and like to help and please their fellow humans, which is exactly what this exploits.
Everything is designed to exclude the majority in a certain spectrum. Black Lives Matter suggests everybody else doesn’t. LGBTQ+ is an abbreviation to exclude straight people. BIPOC, in the USA means everybody except white people. In Europe BIPOC it isn’t used of course since Europeans are the I (indigenous) in Europe.
James Lindsay makes a convincing case that “critical theory/ identity politics” is communism for the west. I really recommend it, he explains it very eloquently. He has a speech for the EU parliament, a bit under half an hour. It summarizes a lot.
If it has only one minority in it, then it's not diverse. Shows like From are diverse because the MC is a black sheriff in a small town, and his deputy is an Asian dude in his mid-20s. The rest of the cast is white. The baddies are literal monsters that are disguised as humans.
As a creator; if you write an entertaining story, pilot, film or song, and people absorb that media and go "It was great, but where is the inclusivity or diversity?" Your immediate response should be to disregard whatever 'critique' they give you. If that's the only problem your creation has, you're good. I promise you, you're good.
@@SomeDudesPlay Mads Mikkelsen experienced it 1st hand.
They don't care about the message... they get money from blackrock to put the message in everything.. disney is the false villian.. blackrock is the real villian...
Light year was terrible all around. They made Buzz the villain. He was Zerg. The kiss wouldn’t have mattered as much if the story was good.
I don't think the 'kiss' had anything to do with the bad writing. I watched the whole thing and can't remember much of it... just he beginning... and the kiss had nothing to do with it... the writing did.
@@DaveBjornRappOh yes it is a sign of bad writing. That's what they wanted, despite the common sense people who wanted to keep things sane told them. They disobeyed, just to push an unwanted "in your face" agenda, while making Buzz Lightyear the villain at the end (the Zerg face reveal). It's bad all the way around, and the stuff that happened while in production and post-production between those LGBT+ activists/ "allies" and the ones who wanted to keep the movie alright and not agenda driven is to blame. Not the ones who criticize based on the information given.
@DaveBjornRapp Oh, but it does. They used the kiss as a scapegoat.
Do take note how when Drinker is asked about "woke" agenda he doesn't take the obvious slam dunk but rather brings up much more complex issue than just "woke = bad." Unlike what the...uh... certain part of the public, let's call them, tries to smear him as? I've seen and heard people just box him as another right wing commentator. This man is so passionate about cinematography as a form of art it's mindblowing.
There's nothing wrong with diversity in films and TV shows. But the most important thing is entertainment over political messaging.
Diversity can be used
But cannot be the basis
The thing is we don't have diversity, we have tokenism
I've said before if you want diversity, diversify the folklore. Instead of taking a European fairy tale and race swap characters, for example use African mythology and cast black characters. I mean Moana was cultural, no one complained. Princess and the Frog, Encanto, and Raya. They just need to give as much respect to the live action versions as they have to the animated ones.
@@4lackofbetter a good example is gaz of thrones , it was diverse, and all races weren't homogeneously mixed all the time. You could identify where characters came from by how they looked or their accents
@@Raven3557 Yeah, but that isn't Disney. I wasn't much of a fan but I can see what you mean. My roommate was a fan so I saw more of it than I intended.
As long as Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy, and Kevin Feige are at Disney they will never get my money.
Where was the fatigue when dead pool 3 came out? That simple fact alone destroys the whole "super hero fatigue" argument.
And no way home
Wow, I am at 1:22 and have already seen "Disney's" representative have a "Case for Cancel Culture" book on his shelf turned TOWARDS the camera, pretty obvious lol.
I will not go to a Disney movie ever again
It's the bait and switch that passes us off the most!
If you’re gonna bring up the black panther sequel, you gotta factor in Chadwick Boseman not being in it, a huge loss in life but of course for the Black Panther franchise
That guy shows exactly what their problem is. Eye rolling and unable to listen to customer complaints.. they know better.
People like the DEI guy are running Disney. They might not recover from this.
It's rather amazing how much of an impact Disney has had making these movies to warp people perceptions in the subject of "representation" and how much they have now, when very little is needed to remind them and SHOW them that it's always been there. I'll never forget a moment I had working in a theater when the 1st Black Panther debuted. I was tearing tickets for people coming in (WE SOLD OUT), and a dude walked up, wearing this all black with gold trim ensemble with a gold chain necklace around his neck. He told me "Man, it feels awesome to finally have a black super hero in a comic book movie, ya know!?"
I didn't even bat an eye and I just said "Blade."
"What?"
"BLADE? The Day Walker??? Bad ass vampire hunter!? He had a whole trilogy of movies! Including BEING a Marvel Super Hero for decades?"
"........oh."
Damn. I know it's true but I feel bad for the guy cuz he was all dressed up and excited but still excited for the wrong reasons
Seeing the Drinker without his shades is so unnerving
They literally said the new Agatha show was the gayest marvel project yet. Theyre not hiding it, how can anyone deny it?
The problem is what they stated... they think DEI is a substitute for good writing.
They would rather hire a diverse cast and give them a bad script... rather than make a good script and then give it to a diverse cast.
It sounds crazy when spoken out loud, but the Disney defender said that they needed more DEI and the poor quality in writing wasn't the issue.
Which ironically sounds more racist as it claims that diverse people shouldn't be given good scripts.
They think DEI is a character description and a plot.
These two guys are highly needed these days. Love them!
I love how Hollywood tells us the fan base tells us what we want to see. If we stop watching this crap they will go broke
and the best part. they cut the kiss out in other countries. hypocrits
they did that since Steven Universe as well. They cut a lot and it shows because I (someone who watched the show) don't know that there's several things cut out from my TV channel and talk about it, it trigger some people from the states. I guess they don't know about the censored stuff overseas lol.
That actually led me to finding out how effed up the w oke people are.
I love that one.
Diversity And Inclusion but only available in certain countries.
"People want to see diverse films" - I can't wait for the Shaka Zulu remake starring Chris Evans.
Both of them should be hired by Disney to run the whole damn company. Both have more integrity and work ethic in their pinky fingers than all of Disney's staff baha
The problem is that Disney went "woke". Period. And the fanbase isn't "woke" and doesn't want to be.
This Ernest Owens is all that we hate in movie producers nowadays - ignorent, not self-reflecting, dumb, woke.
Not a war, we are just done spending money on poor products and preachy political activism in our entertainment.
Also keep in mind that most Disney films are SPECIFICALLY marketed to children. So having divisive political messaging comes across at attempts of indoctrinating innocent kids to bend to their ideas, which parents hate. And hyper sexuality and the promotion of sexual topics feels not only indoctrinating but also inappropriate and obscene. Parents don’t want to subject their children to this kind of nonsense, even less than they want to be subjected to it themselves.
I've started watching physical movies almost exclusively. I'm so tired of paying hand over fist for the crap on streaming services when the best movies were made 10+ years ago.
Make physical media great again, and bring physical media back.
Same here and when we want to being great movies to our child, it's always old school movies.
There was diversity in The Wire, and nobody complained about how crap the writing was and promoted the show purely as a show with about and solely concerned with how diverse it was without referring to the show, what its about or why you should watch it except to show off your rainbow flag credentials.
I think that's because people will be called rascist or homophobic.
The wire was crap?? Yeah your opinion does not reflect the masses...great show
@@irijah1 I think he's saying the opposite and worded it differently.
Yeah , the wire was huge
@@johnmchugh8049Here! Here!
The problem with Disney is that they thought that we would all just smile and eat the plate of shit they left out. The truth is we all left their space and their box office was nuked.
I like how "fatigue" has been the excuse for like, what, 4 years now? Uh, I guess that asks first, "how long are people supposed to BE fatigued for" and "if they're still so fatigued, why are you making these movies still?"
No, it is not, and it never WAS "fatigue". If there was such fatigue then Deadpool and Wolverine would not be the MASSIVE success that it was.
If it was fatigue, Deadpool and Spiderman wouldn't have made anywhere near as much money as they did.
And I don't even think the new deadpool movie was that good. It was basically nothing but a string of "hey, remember this character? Weren't they cool?" with a couple good wolverine character moments sprinkled in.
But that movie still made more than any other marvel project in years because it wasn't the same woke bullshit they've been shitting down the pipeline nonstop.
I don't think it deserved as much as it made, but I understand why it did. People are so starved for something that isn't absolute dogshit that they'll settle for a bare minimum of mediocrity.
Modern Disney is dead to me and to millions of others as well. We are tired of the pathetic grooming of our youth and just the plain awful writing. I'll stick with the classics. I'd rather watch 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954) than ANY of the latest garbage from Disney.
No they wont learn until they run out of money. Not until they hit rock bottom choking on their own vomit in the gutter like any junkie.
Still we ignore the real problem, ESG, Black Rock, Vanguard and all the racketeering investment shenanigans that is driving this. Iger would be out and Disney would have turned the corner if not for these investment companies voting other peoples shares against the shareholders better interest.
When they turned Captain America, Tinkerbell and ariel black it was the final straw I got rid of everything Disney and marvel from my collection and glad I did because they are now worthless to collectors. When the force woke garbage came out, I got rid of all my star was stuff as well and for the same reasons. They abandoned the fans and took a woke stance to discuss everyone they hate that being the fans that spent probably over a trillion dollars to make them what they were and now they are realizing that it was a mistake and not firing enough woke people rather they fired all the heterosexual white males that made the stories good.
The only reason that Deadpool and Wolverine came out as "unwoke" as it is... is because Ryan fought Disney like a demon to prevent the Woke changes. This is NOT to the credit of Disney. It is to the credit of a very strong Ryan, who they could not just put down like they did Gina.
How wild is it that piers morgan of all people is a reputable news anchor/talk show host, if you told me that 20 years ago I would have laughed
Now to remove all the Woke/DEI criteria out of the movie award shows. Emmys, Academy Awards, Oscars, etc. It has nothing to do with a good movie or acting. It's just pushing an agenda.
I stopped watching awards a few years ago
@@Stetsonhatmanonly liberal white boomer females care.
Let the awards keep their check boxes, it will let you know what not to watch :-)
Disney is never going to learn Nyrion. They’re just going to reign in the misandrist messaging but they'll always be anti-male at their core. Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic aren’t helping either, they still can’t say who's really doing this and why
Just like in video games, these companies need to stop hiring people that hate (or don't even know about or care) about the source material. People who are into particular works of fiction don't really appreciate when someone with no knowledge or interest in those works of fiction come in a re-write and butcher the stories.
That Disney guy really tried to imply racism……
you know your company is in trouble if you need to correct your producers with the memo "make the character as less gay as possible"...
These people are gonna believe whatever they want and will defend it to the death even in the face of facts and reality. Stop arguing with them or trying to reason just let them stand and fail on their own it's their money.
"Activists" on either side of the spectrum just CAN"T make anything good.
That DEI disney guy is full of crap and blaming others.
I'm not being influenced by Critical Drinker or Nerdrotic, I just agree with them and hate the woke crap.
`Black Panther DOESN'T HAVE DIVERSITY. it's an all black film practically but we still loved it. NOT BECAUSE OF DIVERSITY but because of the story.
Black Panther was awful and laughable.
It would be great if drinker at the end of tv panels said “go away now”
I want diverse characters not races or genders.
2 things. 1) many of the activists probably dismissed this debate due to the bias shown by the man leading the debate as set up to skew the story (it didnt lets be honest but lack of "impartiallity" does hurt it). 2) black panther obviously succeeded because it was good, the "diversity" was literally just them being generally accurate to the place they set the movie in, like featuring brown bears in north america, but polar bears in anartica, instead of "diversifying" bears by putting a movie set in WA state featuring an an all polar bear cast
Black lad was very condescending. He is everything I loathe about these DEI characters: zero substance, all arrogance.
They’re putting way too much emphasis on the “woke” and almost completely missing the fact that these last few movies have just been complete shit
I couldn't''t agree more, not because I'm against the whole LGBTQ+ thing, but rather because the writing took a huge hit when the story was 2nd to the agenda. England produces many movies and TV shows with LGBTQ+ people in them, but they're well written stories - not some checkbox ticking spreadsheet.
I love that the shill would blame anything _except_ quality. Typical entertainment corpo.
I use the critical drinker as a great way to filter all the crappy movies pushed on us! Long live the drinker!
I am a nail house with my morals. I shall not kneel to 'The Message'.
congrats to Drinker, Nerdrotic and that lady.thumbs up
Disney isn’t ignoring DEI-they're one of its main champions! They prioritize ideology over fans, and their own management admits it in meetings that have been recorded and shared online. Disney isn't clueless; they've been ideologically captured. And to the Disney supporter: don’t start with "There’s been a lot of misinformation." That only reveals you're also ideologically captured. These phrases are exactly what the woke use. No self-reflection.
What Disney and all these other companies don’t seem to understand is that the biggest issue is poor story telling. You can have a “diverse” cast or a strong female lead and still make great movie. And we have tons of examples like Alien, Black Panther, and the original Star Wars trilogy just to name a few. But instead of having a good story first they only care about checking the boxes of DEI. And yes a lot of people don’t want to see “the message” but if it’s a great movie people will still go see it even if it has “the message”.
What is wrong with an entirely white cast? If black panther had a full black cast why is a full white cast wrong?
Even under Walt, Disney made very little original content. Since his passing, they buy the companies who come up with originals and run those stories into the ground.
Holy cow! That's the first time I've heard Drinker doing an analysis of the entertainment industry while sober! He's just as brilliant while sober as he is drunk.
8:21 "How.ev.ver, what's missing in this con.ver.sa.tion..." His attitude is disgusting.
Plus, ANYONE who rolls their eyes that much at stuff with which they disagree should be shunned into oblivion.
Make closets great again.
Cheers..
When your opponent proudly displays a book titled "the case for cancel culture" you've already won.
The opposite with being obsessed with featuring non whites is NOT to use only white people !
The opposite is not to obsess over race!
They cannot see they are trapped thinking people are racist and sexist.
Dear Nerdrotic: I play guitar (since the sixties) and sing. Let's jam! I'm in L.A. - anything you like in format. I also play bass.
They used to be a great company, before they thought they knew better
Disney is channeling their inner Genral Melchett (from Blackadder), "General Melchett : If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. "
I am not optimistic about Disney. I believe that Deadpool and Wolverine was an outlier. They are not going to allow a movie that’s catered to fans ever again. Everything has to have an agenda. They can fire whoever they want, but they’re going to hire activists.
the gay kiss in Lightyear was not the reason why that movie flop. It was boring as fuck. It has the same quality as those bad straight to video disney sequel from the 90's but for some reason it was given a huge budget. And I guess they tried to score diversity points with the gay kiss but it clearly didn't work. We should stop bringing it up because it was non consequential
It's not super hero movie fatigue. It's piss poor story telling and woke political messaging fatigue. People are tired of being scolded and preached to in their entertainment options.
People like and watch good movies. People DON'T like and DON'T watch bad movies. It's a simple equation. No matter what they tell you, 2+2 DOES NOT equal 5.
I gotta say at the end where you say they are finally listening to channels like the critical drinker and nerdrotic, AND MINE that was funny. Good video
In 'Inside Out';
What gender are the Mother's Emotions? All Female.
What gender are the Father's Emotions? All Male.
What gender are the Daughter's Emotions? LGBT Propaganda for Children.
Well I woupd argure that since Riley is not gay in inside out 2 that might have been unintentainal I veiw it as anima and animus as she is still developing into straight white girl
Did Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic also bring up the DISLIKE of race and gender swapping of lead characters, and portraying men and white people as bad or broken?
When they can create money out of thin air, its no longer about the money but the great reset.
When you are working in the arts, you don't work to get financially rich, you work to enrich yourself as a human being. This is something corporations are insensitive to. Art and corporations mix as well together as oil and water.
My thoughts: libs should not be in charge of anything.
They fired all the good writers and animators for DEI replacements.
If Disney has started cleaning “house of mouse 🐭“ of activists …… we won’t see change of this until a few years down the track when new Disney movies / animated movies are released. I hope this is true and Lucasfilms Star Wars etc is cleaned out too 💪😇🥳👍