What if they are tempting the Idea of an RMC conversion? It would be sad, and I'd be happy that I got to ride the original. Also they've been developing the area where Son of Beast used to sit, maybe they want to re-build this ride with all the new technology we have with wooden rollercoaster.
That's what I thought. The beast is already unreliable as it is. Breaking down, once or twice a week. Getting stuck on the chainlift a lot. And, imagine them running new trains, and/or running 4 trains.
@@Thelightning1outI bet all 3 of the big brands could make it work (RMC, Gravity Group and GCI) since RMC has built multiple hyper-hybrids before, Gravity Group has precut track like Intamin and GCI can use Titan Track on moments where the track is under high stress
Kings island is my home park. The new track on the beast makes it run incredible!!! I PRAY they do not follow through with this. The vortex plot of land was built for an inverting coaster. I was really hoping for the extreme spinner, but the extreme euro fighter would also be a great fit!
What seats are you in when you get these incredible rides? 17 is great, any middle seat is decent. Anywhere else and the ride will beat you to a pulp. The new track work was not enough, unless its ok that most people on the train have a terrible experience.
@@CZsWorld I’m pretty sure they haven’t, I was just teasing 🤣 definitely sounds like something they’d do if it was still the 90s! Also lol never expected to see my love for horror film lore and roller coasters collide! Good to see you here, CZsWorld!
I felt like on the survey, another option Kings Island could have greatly benefitted from is putting a Vekoma Tilt Coaster on the former Vortex plot of land. They’re due for a modern sit down looper of some sort.
@@rollacoaster421 I like tilt coasters because every design we’ve seen so far actually has a layout after the first drop. They’re way better than dive coasters IMO. Infinity coasters are never really that interesting to me either; they only really do inversions, which usually look cooler than they feel.
The Beast 2.0 is a terrible idea, but what this tells me is the Vortex plot is more unlikely to be done in 2026 since they are surveying this now. I think this ends up leading to Invertigo being retired sooner rather than later and redoing action zone for 2026 with a new coaster and front entrance rework.
Canada's Wonderland sent out their 2025 survey that featured a coaster at wonder mountain around this time last year and now they're about to announce a coaster at wonder mountain.
Action Zone is definitely getting a rework in the near future. It's a relic of the Paramount days, it's barren and out of place from the rest of the park.
They would be absolutely insane to add on to the beast. The Infinity is the better choice by far, but a ground up RMC, Mack extreme spinner, or some type of launched steel inverting coaster like Copperhead Strike would all fill in gaps in the park. Since it’s replacing Vortex, some kind of inversion focused steel coaster would be perfect.
Really a stupid idea. If youre going to mess with the Beast, then just RMC it or leave it alone and build something else. Thats a major investment for a ride that still gets 2 hr waits as is... give us another queue line and another attraction..
Leave it alone, KI. I grew up riding “The Beast” since 1983, then the King Cobra in 1984, then Vortex in 1987. Riding ‘The Beast’ at night is ALWAYS amazing. ‘The Beast’ doesn’t need anything else but maintenance. Don’t mess with a good formula.
Fascinating how European parks manage to skillfully integrate simple yet thrilling loop coasters into their line-up like Lech Coaster, Ride to Happiness, Bobbejaanland's Fury, Karacho, and Schwur des Kärnan. It feel like American parks recently keep defaulting to big-name, marketable rides like B&M dive coasters or record-grabbers. The thought of that spot going for something like Beast 2.0, with so many creative alternatives available, really is wild.
It’s an idea that’s good in theory but not in reality. It’s the Jurassic Park line “you were so focused it you could you never stopped to think if you should”
Wild but really stupid idea. Kings Island should really just build a Vekoma multi-looping coaster (either with a lift hill or a launch) on the vortex plot of land along with outright reusing the vortex name.
OK. Either this was a joke or they are using the bigger ride to mask their true intentions for it: steel track to reduce maintenance costs. By the way, if they wanted to do an infinity coaster, I imagine it would fit on the Invertigo plot.
Hopefully they don’t RMC The Beast. While it has helped save several attractions that were losing public interest, The Beast is not in that situation. Plus with its reputation and marketability, The Beast is well worth its maintenance costs.
Please no 😅 But it makes me think vortex replacement isnt coming till 2026 if they are testing public reception now. If they're willing to go 185ft on a wooden coaster (extention) Just try SOB 2.0 with a proper, time-tested wooden coaster manufacturer. Lower forces, just make it 200ft exactly.. and.. if there's the steel-spine loop.. bonus.. heck, do a hybrid with a loop. The Gravity Group has built big rides and has improved many wooden coaster's roughness and longevity many times. Dont design too aggressive, dont cut corners, dont be cheap.. and it can work. But ultimately... a vekoma or mack is still the best Vortex replacement
Damn!! They really do want to keep that record for “Longest Wooden Roller Coaster in the World”. This is like Removing Dragon Fyre at Canada’s Wonderland and Replacing it with more Leviathan to compete with Fury 325.
For someone having their homepark be Canada's Wonderland, I would not be mad at that LOL. Leviathan is a short ride. If they added another element or two and removed the last trims from the final airtime hill, I feel it would make the ride better. The Beast is already a long ride, and making that longer would be over-doing the ride.
As someone who considers Canada's Wonderland to by my home park (despite living in the US) and having visited King's Island last year (and loved it), I've since believed that the first half of Leviathan and the second half of Orion would be the perfect B&M giga.
@@cjmcastillo9908 my point is that making Leviathan longer isn’t necessarily like how they’re doing it with the Beast. Plus Leviathan was B&M’s first giga, makes sense for that to be a shorter ride than Fury 325 (Orion’s a different story).
I think the idea of extending Beast's layout is absolutely ridiculous, and completely agree that a Gerstlauer Infinity would be the best option out of this survey and the last (please no shuttle extreme spinner). The, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," mentality was created for moments such as this. If they want the tallest, fastest wooden roller coaster in the world, then they should just make the tallest, fastest wooden roller coaster in the world. They wouldn't be the first park to have four wooden roller coasters.
I just realized that adding another woodie would actually give them five, but hey, then you would have the record for the most wooden coasters in one park, too.
Agreed on a big NO to Beast 2.0. If anything to make The Beast better, loose the trims maybe rebuild the brake shed with an air time hill. Retrofit the structure to handle the new forces. It would be way less expensive and we still have The Beast.
The question I have is……..why. Why extend the ride to be even longer even though you already have the record for the longest wooden roller coaster in the world. You had so many options at your disposal like building a new roller coaster in vortex’s place or hell RMCing the beast sounds like a better idea. But no they decided to make it longer for whatever reason.
I like the idea of an infinity coaster much better as the park needs more inversion based coasters but having the light package worries me, people were not happy about orions lights making beast night rides less dark so having a big gerstlauer covered in lights right next to beast could worsen beast night rides a lot.
@@pipepicasso8112 maybe if they got rid of invertigo and the Shoot the shoots ride next to it they could squeeze one in there going behind the drop tower
Not only does this seem like a terrible idea for all those reasons but I would much rather they use the space to put something to fill their collection and make it less weird of a collection. More specifically, a sitdown looping lift hill coaster. I always thought a Gerstlauer Infinity like Hangtime would be the best fit in Vortex's spot, like I actually cannot think of a better fit.
Good thing to keep in mind with the infinty coaster is that it can have a train up to 8 rows if it uses a launch or normal lifthill. Right now Gold Rush in Slagharen has the longest infinity train with 5 rows.
I don't get why stop at 10 inversions. If you are going for records and working with Gerstlaur, why not just go for 15. The Vortex took the inversion record when it opened (and broke KI attendance records). Do it again.
The Vortex land is indeed meant for a 10 inversions Infinity coaster. A great light package that is great and it fits right in with the Coney Mall theme
But what I would love to see replace Vortex, especially since they recently worked with Vekoma is a launched looper. They could really pay homage to Vortex with that type of coaster, can include similar inversions and even a Bat Wing next to the pathway. And even a blueish/purple color scheme. That would be the ultimate. A new Vekoma Thrill coaster in the US would be top notch and is way over due. Which is what I had originally predicted would happen especially with the new family boomerang they could of gotten a package deal on two coasters
to give them credit, it’s a better idea than son of beast… okay that’s not much credit at all- considering how top thrill 2 went, i’m not sure i trust cedar fair to revamp their oldies without messing them up, especially considering that this one hasn’t catastrophically failed like dragster did…
When it ran well - which was 90%+ of the time SOB was an amazingly fun coaster. It's supposed to be an out of control mining train - not a smooth as glass yawn fest that most steel coasters are these days. Height and speed only do so much to thrill without tactile responses of feeling like the whole ride is on the verge of collapse. That feeling is what makes a ride legendary. If you ever ride the beast in the rain at night when the trims aren't babying it you get that feeling.
@@MrJbart1981Dude all SOB had was height and speed. Zero airtime and one interesting element that got removed. Just bc it was rough af doesnt mean it was a thrilling experience. Mostly just painful.
As someone whose home park is KI, the idea of extending The Beast feels like destroying the heart of the park because there is no roller coaster like it and it is not replaceable. I wouldn't even mind KI building a new wooden roller coaster (kinda leaning towards a new RMC) but I would LOVE having a Gerstlauer with lots of inversions where Vortex was! There are no Gerstlauers or coasters even similar to that in Ohio, so it's unique
If I ran KI, I would either put a - Gerstlauer Infinity Coaster - Custom Made Vekoma 2Gen Coaster - Mack Extreme Spinning - Wing Coaster - (or, just maybe) RMC the entire The Beast
My wife and I visited Kings Island a couple years ago. While we rode almost all the big coasters the park had to offer, we agreed that the Beast was our favorite roller coaster at the park. There’s no reason to change it outside of what needs to be fixed during refurbishments. A Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter would be a perfect replacement for Vortex’s old space.
They should just add some airtime hills to the straight sections of The Beast and add a different coaster like a Copperhead Strike type in the Vortex plot.
I have been saying it since Vortex left - a really visually pleasing Mack multi-launch would be an excellent fit there. I’m thinking lots of landscaping like Hagrid’s.
Kings Island has been struggling to maintain the Beast due to its age, which is why they recently replaced the trains. It’s possible that they’re doing this to rebuild it, making maintenance easier and bringing it up to modern standards. ❤👍🏻
I’ve been a Kings Island pass holder for over half my life - I do not think they want to actually modify The Beast anymore. This was a Trojan Horse to see if more people would like an inversion-heavy steel coaster (Gerstlauer) or a record-breaking woodie (Beast 2.0).
The Beast is my personal favorite wooden coaster. I love it the way it is....BUT I think this is an awesome idea. Bigger and Faster...I think it would be great.
Kings Island loves to troll people. If it’s real, I don’t get it. Nobody wants a classic tampered with. If anything, extend Orion. Everyone thinks Orion should have been longer. And the Vortex plot, pretty much want a new version of Vortex version. The infinity would be great as a Vortex replacement. But with the light package, I would prefer it as an entrance coaster.
Oh boy, that would be a maintenance nightmare. At least this isn't likely. These are merely concepts Kings Island is sending out to a select audience to see what guests like. Hopefully this concept doesn't move into further development. Kings Island's next coaster will probably either be in the SOB plot of land or the front entrance because they might tear down Invertigo (and Congo Falls) because it is old and breaking down a lot. KI would most likely have their 2026 or 2027 coaster planned already, so these are probably ideas down the road for 2028 or 2029.
It would be interesting to see what RMC could do to the Beast. Longer, faster, 0 G Rolls, airtime, outer banks, waves, a stall...that's 2 miles long. That would rock!
With the most recent track modification and refurbishment, it is now 2 feet longer than before. So it already broke its own record! I call it “The world’s longest, world’s longest wooden roller coaster”
I just wanna see a simple 12 seater launch coaster somewhat like Maverick the features a lot of low to the ground moments with airtime and a few versions and troughs and tunnels, and just something that will be a great roller coaster that has a little bit of intimidation but many will love it
I like The Beast 2.0 idea, they aren't taking anything away from The Beast, but adding to it and making it better, that's part of what people are missing in this idea! It would add to the KI skyline of the park and could take great pictures of it on that pathway! The Infinity Coaster is nice too and so is the Giga Dive Coaster idea, any of these ideas would be a win in my book!
Beast 2.0 ridiculous ! Some things should just be left alone. There are better fits for the Vortex plot. There is more room into the woods that could make for a longer coaster than Vortex was. A wing coaster like Kings Dominion is getting would work perfectly.
It's just a survey option. 'Cause one of the other options in the questionnaire was for an infinity coaster. What they're probably doing here is that some intern was paid to draw this up to see how this "Beast 2.0" idea would be received compared to the infinity coaster. If it's just as popular as the infinity coaster in the questionnaire then the suits might not be as keen to finalize it, but if the infinity coaster gets enough votes, that's the coaster being built for 2026. An Infinity Coaster would tick all the boxes Kings Island is looking for: compact, multi-launch, multiple inversions, and the "photo factor" that Vortex had.
Exactly! A similar survey happened at Canada's Wonderland where they asked for input on either a Wing Coaster blasting up and over the top of the mountain, a concert wing coaster and a GCI in White Water Canyon. Apparently, their 2025 coaster is nothing like what was on the survey. Just because the park shows a concept for a future attraction on a survey doesn't mean the park will actually build it. They may go in a completely different direction and pick a different coaster or ride model.
I would have been more excited to see them announce that they were updating the layout, adding hills where there was straight track, adding something that uses the speed from the first drop instead of needing trims at the top of the first hill. But hey, I'm always down for ridiculous roller coasters. I'd come back to KI in a heartbeat.
Kings island needs another multi-inversion coaster. I know that flight of fear and invertigo have multiple inversions, but banshee is the only ride there that FEELS like a multi-inversion coaster. Idk how else to explain it. I’ve been living in cincy for the last year and visited many times (shout out to Dale the bartender!) and that’s the biggest deficit they have. I grew up near cedar point and they have their own deficits, mainly a lack of wooden coasters, but they have a more well rounded selection of rides. I always felt like something was missing at KI and I think the euro fighter would help their lineup a lot.
Why stop as just two woodies smushed together? I say, chain Mystic Timbers onto one end, then use the Vortex-plot extension to connect to The Racer on the other end (using both sides, of course).
Rode the Beast for the first time today!! It’s clearly from its time period, but thats what gives it its charm and makes it a fun coaster. Adding a modern finish to a classic coaster would ruin its charm while ruining the beginning of a great, modern feeling woodie. Which they already have with Mystic Timbers. I really hope this is a publicity stunt
They should update The Beast with a RMC I beam style track. Completely rebuild it from the ground up, but stay true to the classic layout. New wooden construction, new I beam track, better ride experience.
I think what people forget, Kings Island has a lot of land so they could still build something new. Now it really doesn’t make sense but it doesn’t take up space that they don’t have.
If RMC or even the two major Woody company’s got ahold of the beast it could be great! Imagine RMC adds some elements to the original layout! Airtime, inversions. Anything more than just meandering through the woods!
The Beast 5.0! It's now a duelling launched wooden inverted shuttle coaster with 15 inversions and a drop track but uses the original structure since it's built by RMC!
Fun fact years ago in the 80s Woodstock Express at Kings Island was called the Beastie. I agree leave the Beast alone, though i like the name and tying it to other rides theme. Also read the books for it.
The whole Beast things sounds kind of insane. That would be crazy. The Beast is my favorite ride ever so part of me would be curious about "more of it" and part of me would be afraid they would somehow ruin it. It's perfect just as it is. I think I'd rather have a really cool new style coaster in the Vortex plot, but it needs to be something special. I was hoping for a really big record breaking and awesome Wing Coaster, but given King's Dominion's recent announcement, I feel like that's probably off the table. A ground up RMC might be sweet in that spot.
I keep hearing that ACE Landmarks can't be modified or demolished unless if there's special cases (the beast is an ACE Landmark). I personally think The Beast extension would be a huge mistake (and its best as is, sure it doesn't have airtime for days like Phoenix, but I love it for speeding around in a forest and feeling like I'm gonna smashed to death in the helix tunnels). I'm ALL for the Gershlauer coaster going in Vortex's spot, as someone who was sad to see Vortex go (as it was the first coaster to ever intimidate me by looking at it as a little kid), one of the requirements for it to fill the Vortex sized hole in my heart is that it has to loop, and I feel Gershlauer hits that requirement and then some!
its the fact that this feels like some kind of joke but because its on an official survey maybe its not, I just don't know anymore???
Why would you not want the beast to be better? this has been a dream for years. SHUSH lol
Just a bizarre idea. Who knows the true purpose of these surveys.
I say skip the Gerstlauer and get a Mack Stryker.
What if they are tempting the Idea of an RMC conversion? It would be sad, and I'd be happy that I got to ride the original.
Also they've been developing the area where Son of Beast used to sit, maybe they want to re-build this ride with all the new technology we have with wooden rollercoaster.
I almost spit out my water when you guys started laughing
When I saw this, I was hoping it was AI generated. Put a multi launch in the Vortex plot
King's Island (2000): want to see us mess up a giant wooden roller coaster?
KI (2024): want to see us do it again?
🤣🤣🤣
Sounds about right. This coaster is WHY I visit KI. Sounds like they are messing with a great thing WHYYYYYY
@@myrtlebeachsurfsidebeach776 At least they don't have a scam company do it this time.
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Fr tho 😂
They should add a swing launch, call it the beast 2, and have it break down for the whole summer.
Lol that idea is already taken by Top thrill 2 😂😂😂 Zamperla is busy.
I mean cedar fair or ig six flags now is a big fan of those swing launches that don’t work
And then have RMC convert 60% of it to iBox track.
With TTD -> TT2 they dropped the last word in the phrase. That means The Beast would have to become The 2
@@Roch-kl5gethey literally only have 1 lol
Sounds like a maintenance nightmare
The original is a mess already and far too rough
That's what I thought. The beast is already unreliable as it is. Breaking down, once or twice a week. Getting stuck on the chainlift a lot. And, imagine them running new trains, and/or running 4 trains.
@@brianumphreyville2204 Wait until you are double roughed up.
@@kithrills983they need to RMC it. It would be amazing!
Why not just build a brand new wooden coaster that’s 184 feet tall? This whole thing is confusing.
Yeah, surely they would learn their lesson after Son of Beast and what not to do in such a situation
That’s the thing, cedar fair has intamin on their blacklist, meaning no prefab
@@Thelightning1out Who said it needed to be an intamin?
@@Thelightning1outI bet all 3 of the big brands could make it work (RMC, Gravity Group and GCI) since RMC has built multiple hyper-hybrids before, Gravity Group has precut track like Intamin and GCI can use Titan Track on moments where the track is under high stress
@@StormBreakr I’m concerned about the trains of the beast, from what I’ve seen, only prefabs and timberliners can handle those steep of drops.
They should call it father of beast
Grandson of beast
Haha! That's a good one! You had son of beast. Then the beast and now you get father of beast. Like a coaster family generation.
Then build a smaller launched hybrid called "Son of a Gun," and make snappy and wild.
@@Galistia i don't think they would do it.
Da Grand😮Pappaw Beast?
Kings island is my home park. The new track on the beast makes it run incredible!!! I PRAY they do not follow through with this. The vortex plot of land was built for an inverting coaster. I was really hoping for the extreme spinner, but the extreme euro fighter would also be a great fit!
What seats are you in when you get these incredible rides? 17 is great, any middle seat is decent. Anywhere else and the ride will beat you to a pulp. The new track work was not enough, unless its ok that most people on the train have a terrible experience.
@@GPAFMF any middle seat or the very front row. My personal favorite is the second to last row
Is it not as rough anymore? Its my favorite ride and I get to go next week but my mamaw is scared she will break a bone lol
This is the most Six Flags-type idea I’ve ever heard 🤣 I was literally in the middle of typing “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” when Taylor said it
When has Six Flags ever extended an existing coaster?
@@CZsWorld I’m pretty sure they haven’t, I was just teasing 🤣 definitely sounds like something they’d do if it was still the 90s! Also lol never expected to see my love for horror film lore and roller coasters collide! Good to see you here, CZsWorld!
I felt like on the survey, another option Kings Island could have greatly benefitted from is putting a Vekoma Tilt Coaster on the former Vortex plot of land. They’re due for a modern sit down looper of some sort.
I think the tilt coaster model would be a great fit for the park. They need a ride that is a visual spectacle there; it’s such a showcase spot.
I agree, they could probably even put a batwing exactly in the spot where Vortex’s was
Or a double loop or double corkscrew @@GoudLoodje
The thought of a tilt coaster does not excite me at all. It's a gimmick. Gimmicks wear off quickly.
@@rollacoaster421 I like tilt coasters because every design we’ve seen so far actually has a layout after the first drop. They’re way better than dive coasters IMO. Infinity coasters are never really that interesting to me either; they only really do inversions, which usually look cooler than they feel.
April fools joke that they forgot to send out 4 months ago.
Lol
The Beast 2.0 is a terrible idea, but what this tells me is the Vortex plot is more unlikely to be done in 2026 since they are surveying this now. I think this ends up leading to Invertigo being retired sooner rather than later and redoing action zone for 2026 with a new coaster and front entrance rework.
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Canada's Wonderland sent out their 2025 survey that featured a coaster at wonder mountain around this time last year and now they're about to announce a coaster at wonder mountain.
@@bigblueamusementproductions What were the OTHER survey options for Kings Island?!?! 😳🎉
Action Zone is definitely getting a rework in the near future. It's a relic of the Paramount days, it's barren and out of place from the rest of the park.
They would be absolutely insane to add on to the beast. The Infinity is the better choice by far, but a ground up RMC, Mack extreme spinner, or some type of launched steel inverting coaster like Copperhead Strike would all fill in gaps in the park. Since it’s replacing Vortex, some kind of inversion focused steel coaster would be perfect.
Really a stupid idea. If youre going to mess with the Beast, then just RMC it or leave it alone and build something else. Thats a major investment for a ride that still gets 2 hr waits as is... give us another queue line and another attraction..
No. Do not rmc it just build an rmc
The beast doesn't get 2 hour waits. Maybe during peak hours, but I've never personally seen the line get longer than 90 minutes
Leave it alone, KI. I grew up riding “The Beast” since 1983, then the King Cobra in 1984, then Vortex in 1987. Riding ‘The Beast’ at night is ALWAYS amazing. ‘The Beast’ doesn’t need anything else but maintenance. Don’t mess with a good formula.
Fascinating how European parks manage to skillfully integrate simple yet thrilling loop coasters into their line-up like Lech Coaster, Ride to Happiness, Bobbejaanland's Fury, Karacho, and Schwur des Kärnan. It feel like American parks recently keep defaulting to big-name, marketable rides like B&M dive coasters or record-grabbers. The thought of that spot going for something like Beast 2.0, with so many creative alternatives available, really is wild.
The Beast is perfect as it is 😡
Exactly
Agreed. Why change perfection? The Beast is my favorite coaster of all time.
First coaster I ever rode as a 10 year old in 1990. Still the best.
Exactly. It's an awesome ride as is and has been my favorite for a long time.
It’s an idea that’s good in theory but not in reality. It’s the Jurassic Park line “you were so focused it you could you never stopped to think if you should”
Probably why Taylor said it in the video....
As someone who's homepark is KI, for the love of everything holy, GIVE US THE INIFINITY, VORTEX 2
Wild but really stupid idea. Kings Island should really just build a Vekoma multi-looping coaster (either with a lift hill or a launch) on the vortex plot of land along with outright reusing the vortex name.
I bet a Six Flags official brought up this idea…
Please go with the Infinity coaster, Kings Island.
OK. Either this was a joke or they are using the bigger ride to mask their true intentions for it: steel track to reduce maintenance costs.
By the way, if they wanted to do an infinity coaster, I imagine it would fit on the Invertigo plot.
Hopefully they don’t RMC The Beast. While it has helped save several attractions that were losing public interest, The Beast is not in that situation. Plus with its reputation and marketability, The Beast is well worth its maintenance costs.
Please no 😅
But it makes me think vortex replacement isnt coming till 2026 if they are testing public reception now.
If they're willing to go 185ft on a wooden coaster (extention)
Just try SOB 2.0 with a proper, time-tested wooden coaster manufacturer. Lower forces, just make it 200ft exactly.. and.. if there's the steel-spine loop.. bonus.. heck, do a hybrid with a loop.
The Gravity Group has built big rides and has improved many wooden coaster's roughness and longevity many times. Dont design too aggressive, dont cut corners, dont be cheap.. and it can work.
But ultimately... a vekoma or mack is still the best Vortex replacement
Imagine if we did get SOB 2.0 I would be excited but would see if there would be a better replacement for Vortex first
@@ArrowThrills agree. Sob 2 would not be my first pick.. just thought of it since they showed they considered a 185ft woodie.. extention lol
Damn!! They really do want to keep that record for “Longest Wooden Roller Coaster in the World”. This is like Removing Dragon Fyre at Canada’s Wonderland and Replacing it with more Leviathan to compete with Fury 325.
For someone having their homepark be Canada's Wonderland, I would not be mad at that LOL. Leviathan is a short ride. If they added another element or two and removed the last trims from the final airtime hill, I feel it would make the ride better. The Beast is already a long ride, and making that longer would be over-doing the ride.
@@terrenceb1gthats the point, to beat it out
As someone who considers Canada's Wonderland to by my home park (despite living in the US) and having visited King's Island last year (and loved it), I've since believed that the first half of Leviathan and the second half of Orion would be the perfect B&M giga.
@@cjmcastillo9908 my point is that making Leviathan longer isn’t necessarily like how they’re doing it with the Beast. Plus Leviathan was B&M’s first giga, makes sense for that to be a shorter ride than Fury 325 (Orion’s a different story).
I think the idea of extending Beast's layout is absolutely ridiculous, and completely agree that a Gerstlauer Infinity would be the best option out of this survey and the last (please no shuttle extreme spinner). The, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," mentality was created for moments such as this. If they want the tallest, fastest wooden roller coaster in the world, then they should just make the tallest, fastest wooden roller coaster in the world. They wouldn't be the first park to have four wooden roller coasters.
I just realized that adding another woodie would actually give them five, but hey, then you would have the record for the most wooden coasters in one park, too.
Agreed on a big NO to Beast 2.0. If anything to make The Beast better, loose the trims maybe rebuild the brake shed with an air time hill. Retrofit the structure to handle the new forces. It would be way less expensive and we still have The Beast.
enthusiasts: “the beast is trash, it has no airtime, no forces, it’s not intense”
also enthusiasts: “DONT TOUCH THE BEAST”
lol the accuracy
no way... if this happens i dont know what wont happen anymore.
The amount of maintenance and roughness on that coaster would be other worldly????😢
The question I have is……..why. Why extend the ride to be even longer even though you already have the record for the longest wooden roller coaster in the world. You had so many options at your disposal like building a new roller coaster in vortex’s place or hell RMCing the beast sounds like a better idea. But no they decided to make it longer for whatever reason.
Take a wild guess why they would do this.
I like the idea of an infinity coaster much better as the park needs more inversion based coasters but having the light package worries me, people were not happy about orions lights making beast night rides less dark so having a big gerstlauer covered in lights right next to beast could worsen beast night rides a lot.
I agree with this. The light package infinite coaster would be better as an entrance coaster or Area 72 coaster. Maybe, replace FoF.
@@pipepicasso8112 maybe if they got rid of invertigo and the Shoot the shoots ride next to it they could squeeze one in there going behind the drop tower
I guess they didn't learn their lesson with Son of Beast.
And yet it's not the Son of Beast. Move on from sob.
How much longer do you want to extend the beast
Everyone: 'NO'
Kings Island was so preoccupied with whether they could, that they didn't stop to think about if they should. They probably shouldn't.
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Not only does this seem like a terrible idea for all those reasons but I would much rather they use the space to put something to fill their collection and make it less weird of a collection. More specifically, a sitdown looping lift hill coaster. I always thought a Gerstlauer Infinity like Hangtime would be the best fit in Vortex's spot, like I actually cannot think of a better fit.
They want to Ruin a Coaster that's already Iconic
Good thing to keep in mind with the infinty coaster is that it can have a train up to 8 rows if it uses a launch or normal lifthill. Right now Gold Rush in Slagharen has the longest infinity train with 5 rows.
I don't get why stop at 10 inversions. If you are going for records and working with Gerstlaur, why not just go for 15.
The Vortex took the inversion record when it opened (and broke KI attendance records). Do it again.
The Vortex land is indeed meant for a 10 inversions Infinity coaster. A great light package that is great and it fits right in with the Coney Mall theme
An inverson record-breaking Vekoma tilt coaster would be SICK in the Vortex plot
Someone in the Kings Island marketing department is having a lot of fun. This is all a cover for whatever they are doing with the Vortex plot
my gut says the real thing they were trying to get feedback on is the 10 inversion infinity coaster. I think that's our answer.
This equates to them releasing Titanic back into theaters every five years so that it stays the highest grossing movie of all time.
But what I would love to see replace Vortex, especially since they recently worked with Vekoma is a launched looper. They could really pay homage to Vortex with that type of coaster, can include similar inversions and even a Bat Wing next to the pathway. And even a blueish/purple color scheme. That would be the ultimate. A new Vekoma Thrill coaster in the US would be top notch and is way over due. Which is what I had originally predicted would happen especially with the new family boomerang they could of gotten a package deal on two coasters
to give them credit, it’s a better idea than son of beast… okay that’s not much credit at all-
considering how top thrill 2 went, i’m not sure i trust cedar fair to revamp their oldies without messing them up, especially considering that this one hasn’t catastrophically failed like dragster did…
Literally they should have gotten intamin to do TT2
When it ran well - which was 90%+ of the time SOB was an amazingly fun coaster. It's supposed to be an out of control mining train - not a smooth as glass yawn fest that most steel coasters are these days. Height and speed only do so much to thrill without tactile responses of feeling like the whole ride is on the verge of collapse. That feeling is what makes a ride legendary. If you ever ride the beast in the rain at night when the trims aren't babying it you get that feeling.
@@MrJbart1981except SoB wasn't a good idea because they went with a horrendous manufacturer to do it and it flopped in the end
@@MrJbart1981Dude all SOB had was height and speed. Zero airtime and one interesting element that got removed. Just bc it was rough af doesnt mean it was a thrilling experience. Mostly just painful.
As someone whose home park is KI, the idea of extending The Beast feels like destroying the heart of the park because there is no roller coaster like it and it is not replaceable. I wouldn't even mind KI building a new wooden roller coaster (kinda leaning towards a new RMC) but I would LOVE having a Gerstlauer with lots of inversions where Vortex was! There are no Gerstlauers or coasters even similar to that in Ohio, so it's unique
If I ran KI, I would either put a
- Gerstlauer Infinity Coaster
- Custom Made Vekoma 2Gen Coaster
- Mack Extreme Spinning
- Wing Coaster
- (or, just maybe) RMC the entire The Beast
This has got to be King's Island trolling us to throw us off the real trail. My guess is Mack Extreme Spinner is inbound.
My wife and I visited Kings Island a couple years ago. While we rode almost all the big coasters the park had to offer, we agreed that the Beast was our favorite roller coaster at the park. There’s no reason to change it outside of what needs to be fixed during refurbishments.
A Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter would be a perfect replacement for Vortex’s old space.
They should just add some airtime hills to the straight sections of The Beast and add a different coaster like a Copperhead Strike type in the Vortex plot.
Vortex had 6 inversions
I would much rather have the infinity coaster inversion monster in vortex’s plot of land than lengthened beast 2.0.
Mr. Beast is like, “I AM GOING TO MAKE THE WORLDS LONGEST WOOD COASTER, MY NAMESAKE, EVEN LONGER”
I have been saying it since Vortex left - a really visually pleasing Mack multi-launch would be an excellent fit there. I’m thinking lots of landscaping like Hagrid’s.
Indeed!! Great idea! or a Maverick/Copperhead strike style! Hagrid's Theme is phenom!
This definitely sounds like something someone drunkenly joked about and a detached exec was like, heck yeah brilliant idea
I think it’s a great idea. As someone who rode the beast the first year it was built, this is extremely exciting and ingenious. 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Kings Island has been struggling to maintain the Beast due to its age, which is why they recently replaced the trains. It’s possible that they’re doing this to rebuild it, making maintenance easier and bringing it up to modern standards. ❤👍🏻
I honestly want a 4500+ Vekoma multi looper to go in that plot. Something like lech coaster but longer.
I’ve been a Kings Island pass holder for over half my life - I do not think they want to actually modify The Beast anymore. This was a Trojan Horse to see if more people would like an inversion-heavy steel coaster (Gerstlauer) or a record-breaking woodie (Beast 2.0).
The Beast is my personal favorite wooden coaster. I love it the way it is....BUT I think this is an awesome idea. Bigger and Faster...I think it would be great.
Kings Island loves to troll people. If it’s real, I don’t get it. Nobody wants a classic tampered with. If anything, extend Orion. Everyone thinks Orion should have been longer. And the Vortex plot, pretty much want a new version of Vortex version. The infinity would be great as a Vortex replacement. But with the light package, I would prefer it as an entrance coaster.
Oh boy, that would be a maintenance nightmare. At least this isn't likely. These are merely concepts Kings Island is sending out to a select audience to see what guests like. Hopefully this concept doesn't move into further development. Kings Island's next coaster will probably either be in the SOB plot of land or the front entrance because they might tear down Invertigo (and Congo Falls) because it is old and breaking down a lot. KI would most likely have their 2026 or 2027 coaster planned already, so these are probably ideas down the road for 2028 or 2029.
They should just work on how to remove the trims on Beast and let it run at full speed.
"The Iron Beast" would actually be great I think. It feels like another Steel Vengeance type of thing
It would be interesting to see what RMC could do to the Beast. Longer, faster, 0 G Rolls, airtime, outer banks, waves, a stall...that's 2 miles long. That would rock!
If this became a reality, it will be America’s answer to Falcon’s Flight at Six Flags Qiddyia.
It’s still child’s play in comparison. It’s only a fraction of the height and speed and still 3000 feet shorter
@@JJJJ-he8bzbruh its still a record for longest wooden coaster
Personally I think beast should be left as is and have a ground up coaster for the vortex plot
With the most recent track modification and refurbishment, it is now 2 feet longer than before. So it already broke its own record!
I call it “The world’s longest, world’s longest wooden roller coaster”
Let’s have a roller coaster coaster called the the beaster extension
I just wanna see a simple 12 seater launch coaster somewhat like Maverick the features a lot of low to the ground moments with airtime and a few versions and troughs and tunnels, and just something that will be a great roller coaster that has a little bit of intimidation but many will love it
“Yeah, let the summer intern be in charge of our social media surveys. What’s the worst that can happen?” -Kings Island
I would’ve liked a Mack multi launch terrain coaster like Helix in that spot, but an infinity coaster sounds cool.
B&M dive or B&M tilt
I like The Beast 2.0 idea, they aren't taking anything away from The Beast, but adding to it and making it better, that's part of what people are missing in this idea! It would add to the KI skyline of the park and could take great pictures of it on that pathway! The Infinity Coaster is nice too and so is the Giga Dive Coaster idea, any of these ideas would be a win in my book!
This sounds like an idea that would be pitched on an old coaster parody video. 😂
Bring back coaster parodys pleeaaseee
the iron beast… that’s a great name for a new coaster.
companies should totally put u guys in charge of ideas and stuff.
This feels like something they pitched without consulting any engineers
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." (Whoops, Taylor beat me to it.) 😂
Beast 2.0 ridiculous ! Some things should just be left alone. There are better fits for the Vortex plot. There is more room into the woods that could make for a longer coaster than Vortex was. A wing coaster like Kings Dominion is getting would work perfectly.
10,000ft RMC hyper with possibly 3 lifts or maybe a launch? Sounds like SteVe's getting knocked off that #1 spot one day very soon.
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It's just a survey option. 'Cause one of the other options in the questionnaire was for an infinity coaster. What they're probably doing here is that some intern was paid to draw this up to see how this "Beast 2.0" idea would be received compared to the infinity coaster. If it's just as popular as the infinity coaster in the questionnaire then the suits might not be as keen to finalize it, but if the infinity coaster gets enough votes, that's the coaster being built for 2026.
An Infinity Coaster would tick all the boxes Kings Island is looking for: compact, multi-launch, multiple inversions, and the "photo factor" that Vortex had.
Exactly! A similar survey happened at Canada's Wonderland where they asked for input on either a Wing Coaster blasting up and over the top of the mountain, a concert wing coaster and a GCI in White Water Canyon. Apparently, their 2025 coaster is nothing like what was on the survey.
Just because the park shows a concept for a future attraction on a survey doesn't mean the park will actually build it. They may go in a completely different direction and pick a different coaster or ride model.
I would have been more excited to see them announce that they were updating the layout, adding hills where there was straight track, adding something that uses the speed from the first drop instead of needing trims at the top of the first hill. But hey, I'm always down for ridiculous roller coasters. I'd come back to KI in a heartbeat.
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KI: absolutely yes
Kings island needs another multi-inversion coaster. I know that flight of fear and invertigo have multiple inversions, but banshee is the only ride there that FEELS like a multi-inversion coaster. Idk how else to explain it. I’ve been living in cincy for the last year and visited many times (shout out to Dale the bartender!) and that’s the biggest deficit they have. I grew up near cedar point and they have their own deficits, mainly a lack of wooden coasters, but they have a more well rounded selection of rides. I always felt like something was missing at KI and I think the euro fighter would help their lineup a lot.
They should RMC The Beast and take the #1 Coaster record from Steve
Why stop as just two woodies smushed together? I say, chain Mystic Timbers onto one end, then use the Vortex-plot extension to connect to The Racer on the other end (using both sides, of course).
no way we have the beast senior before gta 6
Rode the Beast for the first time today!! It’s clearly from its time period, but thats what gives it its charm and makes it a fun coaster. Adding a modern finish to a classic coaster would ruin its charm while ruining the beginning of a great, modern feeling woodie. Which they already have with Mystic Timbers. I really hope this is a publicity stunt
They should update The Beast with a RMC I beam style track. Completely rebuild it from the ground up, but stay true to the classic layout. New wooden construction, new I beam track, better ride experience.
I think what people forget, Kings Island has a lot of land so they could still build something new. Now it really doesn’t make sense but it doesn’t take up space that they don’t have.
If RMC or even the two major Woody company’s got ahold of the beast it could be great! Imagine RMC adds some elements to the original layout! Airtime, inversions. Anything more than just meandering through the woods!
Im so sorry, I like the channel, but this is one of the best ideas ive ever heard
Checking to make sure today isn’t April 1st
The Beast 5.0! It's now a duelling launched wooden inverted shuttle coaster with 15 inversions and a drop track but uses the original structure since it's built by RMC!
Sounds like they're successfully drumming up support for the Gerstlauer they want to buy.
Holiday world should open a massive wooden coaster and call it "THE FEAST"
Fun fact years ago in the 80s Woodstock Express at Kings Island was called the Beastie. I agree leave the Beast alone, though i like the name and tying it to other rides theme. Also read the books for it.
The whole Beast things sounds kind of insane. That would be crazy. The Beast is my favorite ride ever so part of me would be curious about "more of it" and part of me would be afraid they would somehow ruin it. It's perfect just as it is. I think I'd rather have a really cool new style coaster in the Vortex plot, but it needs to be something special. I was hoping for a really big record breaking and awesome Wing Coaster, but given King's Dominion's recent announcement, I feel like that's probably off the table. A ground up RMC might be sweet in that spot.
Kings Island wants to beat there own record before GTA 6 releases (Beast 2.0)
The dude that said they should just make a new coaster thats 184 ft tall is correct, but they should also make it an rmc hybrid🤑🤑🤑🤑
Beast is fine as is. Leave it alone.
I keep hearing that ACE Landmarks can't be modified or demolished unless if there's special cases (the beast is an ACE Landmark). I personally think The Beast extension would be a huge mistake (and its best as is, sure it doesn't have airtime for days like Phoenix, but I love it for speeding around in a forest and feeling like I'm gonna smashed to death in the helix tunnels). I'm ALL for the Gershlauer coaster going in Vortex's spot, as someone who was sad to see Vortex go (as it was the first coaster to ever intimidate me by looking at it as a little kid), one of the requirements for it to fill the Vortex sized hole in my heart is that it has to loop, and I feel Gershlauer hits that requirement and then some!