Are we reaching a point where trail bikes are just so well dialed that they are converging in ability? The Specialized, Scor and Propain all seem to be master of all points, with very few limitations.
@@benediktmerl4510 🤣 true. Poor Ghost. I mean look at the thing. It's like a Marin shock wave that went for a walk one day and turned up ten years later and didn't realise how much had changed.
I completely agree, buy any top manufacure bike with your style of travel and I am sure you'll love the bike. 90% of use will never reach of the full potential of these bikes.
So if I get this bike with the 150mm Lyrik I'd have a 150-140 bike. If I was planning a trip to a bikepark, could I put a 170mm air shaft in the Lyrik, change the adjustment in the head tube and the shock and have a 170-160 Enduro bike? If that's the case I think it was worth mentioning in the review!
I was planning to build up a 4060 ST frame but I was concerned about dirt getting stuck in the shock area. Now I went with a Ibis Ripmo frane. I hope it was a good decision.. The frame certainly looks less complicated.
not going to lie, I dig.. probably the best performing bike on test. Totally down with BMC and the Propane but I live in Canada where there is just no support and just less economical Curious... with my Canadian perspective the bikes I consider big mainstream in Canada are: Trek, Specialized, Giant, GT.. then moderate such as Norco, Kona, Rocky, SC, Cannondale and then boutique like Devinci, IBIS, Yeti, Chromag In say GB, or anywhere in Europe... what are your lineups? Is it like Mondraker, Canyon, Nukeproof, BMC?
@@bitumen83 yeah I think the evolution of mountain biking and bikes within the North shore, and the Mecca that is Whistler, has very much contributed to the reputation of Canadian bike brands lol.. I probably think these Bike companies are the most recognizable Canadian brands of any product other than maybe some Hockey and BRP Seadoo products
Here in Switzerland you see a lot of high end bikes like Santa Cruz, Specialized and Scott but also a lot of direct sellers like YT, Canyon and Propain.
@@pinky2101 We do get Orbea, Cube and Ghost, but they were considered more of a "Good value" bike like a GT than an exotic or higher end domestic (Norco, Rocky) We do consider BMC, Mondraker, Nukeproof "rare exotics" however
Tires were a lot different, which I think may make the biggest difference. Maxxgrip with big knobs is going to be a lot slower than those Schwalbe's on the downcountry bikes.
@@alanbonk3542 the Trailbikes were around 20% slower. If its the same track with the same lenght ect. it shows imo that youre right and the tires make a much bigger difference that weight ect. I wonder If a second wheelset with faster tires is probalby the best tuning to get the most out of one bike for multiple usecases.
How come? I've always heard reviewers (all of them, every single one, after I scour dozens of channels trying to check for biases or trends before I buy a bike) sell out for Fox always describing it as "having the extra sauce, feeling that much more like a magic carpet ride" than rockshox, going so far out of their way to buy a brand new bike and swap the rockshocks out for new fox suspension. So I'm always left wondering in disbelief if rockshocks is just not that good, are these guys super picky, and/or just getting paid by fox?
@@LastAphelion I think this is a two fold deal. Rockshox forks and shocks both have a ton of aftermarket upgrade options. Fox does as well, but I see a lot more rockshox guys have these upgrades on their bikes. That tells me the the upgrades are needed more on rockshox products. The other thing I think fox does better is their marketing. Better marketing makes people want to buy their product more, even if it’s an equal to rockshox.
@pinkbike - I wonder if Alicia would pick this bike or the propain Hugene as her 1st choice in this grouping? The mud collecting would suck for Vermont riding.
Hey Eric! If this bike didn't have the gritty hole of doom, it would be a winner for me. I had such a great time on it, I like the adjustable geo, and it's just such an impressive first (ish) bike from SCOR. Sadly, the mud situation is a dealbreaker. I want a bike that's easy to maintain, so even though the Propain has 100000 pivots, it's a better overall system than the SCOR for anyone who rides in the wet. Though SCOR's downtube storage and spare derailleur hanger is a nice touch. The Propain climbs a little better than the SCOR but the SCOR is a better descender... I think the Propain comes out on top, but not by much.
As an owner of the SCOR 4060 ST, I can confirm that rear shock is a terrible mud collecting construction. So hard to clean. It is a bit a letdown in an otherwise truly fantastic and really good looking bike.
@@alicialeggett1831 - Thanks for the quick reply. I'm more of a climber than a descender so for the trails I ride in Vermont the Hugene sounds like a great bike. Love the Pinkbike bike reviews. The type of content is great.
The suspension package ups significantly too. On the lt you go from a deluxe+ and zeb+ with nx to a fox x2 and a grip2 fox 38. So its suspension, brakes and gx that all upgrade.
Everything functions properly ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of RUclips. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
Are we reaching a point where trail bikes are just so well dialed that they are converging in ability? The Specialized, Scor and Propain all seem to be master of all points, with very few limitations.
Comes down to model and budget most of the time because yes many many good options
…and then there is the Ghost Riot
@@benediktmerl4510 🤣 true. Poor Ghost. I mean look at the thing. It's like a Marin shock wave that went for a walk one day and turned up ten years later and didn't realise how much had changed.
I completely agree, buy any top manufacure bike with your style of travel and I am sure you'll love the bike. 90% of use will never reach of the full potential of these bikes.
I love the look of the SCOR, just trying to decide between the ST and LT
Its literally the same frame
Get the LT for sure. At my local bike shop they are the same price?? I would pay a bit more for the extra suspension.
by far the best bike from the fall field test
Excited to ride 170mm Rock Shock Lyric Ultimate my Full frame build ready next week!
Where'd you buy yours? I stumbled across their website months ago and was pretty interested.... If I could find one.
Santa Cruz Hightower + specialized enduro= Scor
(Rear suspension design)
Such a good looking bike. On looks alone, my top pick but unfortunately I live in the UK and the mud trap would be a huge no no.
So if I get this bike with the 150mm Lyrik I'd have a 150-140 bike. If I was planning a trip to a bikepark, could I put a 170mm air shaft in the Lyrik, change the adjustment in the head tube and the shock and have a 170-160 Enduro bike?
If that's the case I think it was worth mentioning in the review!
indeed, they forgot about mentioning that!
For what it’s worth, a 150 Lyrik can do most of everything a bike park will throw at you, it’s a really good fork.
Love the lines on this frame, and the low positioned shock. The '"cradle of filth" Play-Doh fun factory seems like a feature, not a bug.
I was planning to build up a 4060 ST frame but I was concerned about dirt getting stuck in the shock area. Now I went with a Ibis Ripmo frane. I hope it was a good decision.. The frame certainly looks less complicated.
Can’t go wrong with a Ripmo.
Watching with my wife...
Wife: are those 3 related?
Me: hahaha, no no why would you think that?
*pauses video mid frame
Me: oh...
My wife said the same thing 😂😂😂
Finally i find the simple yet complex. Machine Ekegant and pure is the word
I would like the LT version of this guy
People in the PNW: $7k play-doh press, got it!
I don't think I've seen any Jamis bike reviews, if I'm wrong point me in the direction.
not going to lie, I dig.. probably the best performing bike on test. Totally down with BMC and the Propane but I live in Canada where there is just no support and just less economical
Curious... with my Canadian perspective the bikes I consider big mainstream in Canada are: Trek, Specialized, Giant, GT.. then moderate such as Norco, Kona, Rocky, SC, Cannondale and then boutique like Devinci, IBIS, Yeti, Chromag
In say GB, or anywhere in Europe... what are your lineups? Is it like Mondraker, Canyon, Nukeproof, BMC?
I live in Europe and I have Trek fuel ex. I find US/Canada bikes more atractive then EU brands. But that is just personal preferance...
@@bitumen83 yeah I think the evolution of mountain biking and bikes within the North shore, and the Mecca that is Whistler, has very much contributed to the reputation of Canadian bike brands lol.. I probably think these Bike companies are the most recognizable Canadian brands of any product other than maybe some Hockey and BRP Seadoo products
Here in Switzerland you see a lot of high end bikes like Santa Cruz, Specialized and Scott but also a lot of direct sellers like YT, Canyon and Propain.
In Germany the mainstream bikes are Canyon, Cube, YT, Trek, Giant and Specialized.
Norco, Chromag or Devinci are rare exotics here.
@@pinky2101 We do get Orbea, Cube and Ghost, but they were considered more of a "Good value" bike like a GT than an exotic or higher end domestic (Norco, Rocky) We do consider BMC, Mondraker, Nukeproof "rare exotics" however
When this bike becomes available in the UK, in the purple paint job, I will be ready to buy one!
9:01 - Blowing through the fork travel!!
Still though… that propain is so freaking cool
Hi guys new to your channel and new to mtb bikes, was looking at the stump jumper evo but love the look of this bike, which is the better bike thanks
Can anybody tell me if the efficiency test times are comparable to the downcontry bikes? was ist the same track ect?
Tires were a lot different, which I think may make the biggest difference. Maxxgrip with big knobs is going to be a lot slower than those Schwalbe's on the downcountry bikes.
@@alanbonk3542 the Trailbikes were around 20% slower. If its the same track with the same lenght ect. it shows imo that youre right and the tires make a much bigger difference that weight ect.
I wonder If a second wheelset with faster tires is probalby the best tuning to get the most out of one bike for multiple usecases.
Why are there no video clips of Alicia riding the bikes?
It's nice to see RockShox suspension. It seems like everyone switched to Fox for some reason which sucks cause RockShox is better (in my opinion).
How come? I've always heard reviewers (all of them, every single one, after I scour dozens of channels trying to check for biases or trends before I buy a bike) sell out for Fox always describing it as "having the extra sauce, feeling that much more like a magic carpet ride" than rockshox, going so far out of their way to buy a brand new bike and swap the rockshocks out for new fox suspension. So I'm always left wondering in disbelief if rockshocks is just not that good, are these guys super picky, and/or just getting paid by fox?
@@LastAphelion I think this is a two fold deal. Rockshox forks and shocks both have a ton of aftermarket upgrade options. Fox does as well, but I see a lot more rockshox guys have these upgrades on their bikes. That tells me the the upgrades are needed more on rockshox products. The other thing I think fox does better is their marketing. Better marketing makes people want to buy their product more, even if it’s an equal to rockshox.
If Field Test was actually just a beauty contest, this bike would steal the runway and win Miss-... Miss Swiss... jfc nvm
privateer 141?
Alicia is the badass version of luna lovegood :)
Do the LT review please
I like this new brand bike
@pinkbike - I wonder if Alicia would pick this bike or the propain Hugene as her 1st choice in this grouping? The mud collecting would suck for Vermont riding.
Hey Eric! If this bike didn't have the gritty hole of doom, it would be a winner for me. I had such a great time on it, I like the adjustable geo, and it's just such an impressive first (ish) bike from SCOR. Sadly, the mud situation is a dealbreaker. I want a bike that's easy to maintain, so even though the Propain has 100000 pivots, it's a better overall system than the SCOR for anyone who rides in the wet. Though SCOR's downtube storage and spare derailleur hanger is a nice touch. The Propain climbs a little better than the SCOR but the SCOR is a better descender... I think the Propain comes out on top, but not by much.
As an owner of the SCOR 4060 ST, I can confirm that rear shock is a terrible mud collecting construction. So hard to clean. It is a bit a letdown in an otherwise truly fantastic and really good looking bike.
@@alicialeggett1831 - Thanks for the quick reply. I'm more of a climber than a descender so for the trails I ride in Vermont the Hugene sounds like a great bike. Love the Pinkbike bike reviews. The type of content is great.
So you have this in L but Riot in M - why?
Just as imaginative as SC with the paint job.
That's the one!
i'm small like that dude on the left, so i think their opinion resonates with me well
The women on the left?
@@rowanRobaggs What? No there's only one person
Ad slogan: It's a Bronson without the customer service.
You can mullet this thing too!!!!
It seems that downcountry/trai bikes are even better with "enduro" components... hmmm... So why wouldn't we buy a enduro bike instead?
Geometry, style of trails that you live near. Not everyone needs a 170+mm plow machine, sometimes less is more fun
all of a sudden a 140mm bike is regarded as "only a little trail bike"...
Elegant
I really prefer these videos with Alicia than Henry. Not trolling, just feel he kind of takes over.
Really nice looking design. Idk how that toptube would hold up being that thin.
Looks like a DW Link variant
I don’t like the upper corner of the rear linkage. It looks weird
$1000 difference for GX???????
The suspension package ups significantly too. On the lt you go from a deluxe+ and zeb+ with nx to a fox x2 and a grip2 fox 38. So its suspension, brakes and gx that all upgrade.
Everything functions properly ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of RUclips. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
I wanna see this head to head with a privateer 141
cant you get a electric scott ransom with 2x180mm travel? seems overpriced
2022: welcome the mud-sensitive Mtb.
Basically a vpp Santa cruz
i wish this was a 27.5"
This looks like a Santa Cruz Hightower
This thing is named like a fricking graphics card
140mm of travel on the short travel, and if you swap out the rear shock on the same frame its 160mm travel.
140/160 = SCOR 4060.
😂
Nimbility!?
Progressivity!?
Wish MTB'in would stop making up 'naf' terms!!
Come on...didn't you know that the opposite of INspiring is OUTspiring?!?! 😏
What the heck is a Scor? A bike you can’t buy in Asia 😂
Santa Cruz? Lol
It looks like a 5010
SANTA CRUZ
First?? Lol
Looks like a DW-Link variant