This is what all eucumenical conversations should be like: mutual respect between fellow brothers in Christ, trying to understand one another, without hiding our disagreements. Great interview!
Hi! I am a Catholic man and I love the faith. I love everything about it. I’ve watched your two videos in this study Bible and I appreciate your efforts in reviewing! Keep up the good work. As your brother in Christ, God bless you.
Catholism is not Christianity, pope wears the hat of Dagon (a demon), the basilica is a huge serpent wearing a crown, changing the 10 commandments, idols, The telescope named Lucifer, praying to Mary and the saints (ashtorath worship),pedophillia, ect ect repent of Constantine’s paganism and have a real relationship with Christ Jesus. God bless u bro.
@ Kind of a funny question to me. Of course I love Jesus Christ! He’s my only Lord and Savior! I love him more than anything there ever was, is, or will be! My relationship with Christ is the most important thing in my life and I thank him every day. In my experience, the teachings and traditions of the Catholic Church have facilitated my life in Christ and I love everything about it. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
Love the depth of biblical literacy going on in this conversation. It is refreshing to hear nuanced ecumenical conversations with respect for diverse perspectives. Thanks 👍
Thank you for both of your valued opinions and commentaries. I listened avidly and appreciate the blend of where you are both coming from. I am a Catholic RCIA teacher (the adult education needed to join the Catholic faith). I ordered the Ignatius Study Bible but have not received it yet. Can’t wait!
Hi JM ~ As a Protestant, I truly hope you continue to invite Christians of various traditions on your channel, as I believe most everyone enjoyed this episode IMMENSELY, and were blessed by it, as was I! I share your and Matthew’s approach and friendship, which helps tremendously when volunteering in our community, and maintain friendships with believers and non-believers alike. Also, this is a tremendous precedent and reminder in which we should conduct ourselves for Christmas, the Holiday Season, and throughout the remainder of the year! Looking forward to a new year full of such wonderful surprises and discussions! Finally ~ I want to wish you, Matthew and your families a very… 🌟🎄MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!🎄🌟 Many blessings!❤
Very ecumenical and healthy. I owned the original New Testament version and just acquired the new version (0ld and New). Before I even finished this video, I order Christian Theology an Introduction and Paul's "Works of the Law" in the Perspective of Second-Century Reception Thank you Both and Merry Christmas
James, congrats on interviewing Matthew. I'm a 70 yr old Catholic who at 18 went to Protestant Bible studies for 5 years, even spent 2 months at French L'Abri among Francis Schaeffer disciples. I'd love to see you interview a proponent of Medjugorje, someone as articulate as your current guest. From my perspective, Jesus' mother Mary is a very cohesive, much needed influence, not only in the Church at large, but in the world today. Prophetic, motherly, pure and compassionate come to mind when I think of her. The congenial tone of your conversation with Matthew is so obviously beneficial in these days of division among the brethren. Detractors of Medjugorje may not have read Mirjana Soldo's 2016 book 'My Heart Will Triumph'. Thank You.
How was she prophetic? What’d she prophesy? Motherly, yeah I hope to her boy. Pure, no one is pure. She sinned, just like every other human. Compassionate? How? And what is she offering compassion on? She’s dead.
It’s definitely a big topic that I would not expect Protestants to embrace without a lot of self-directed study. They don’t often know about the New Eve and the New Ark from the early church. They often think of the saints as dead when of course they are much more alive than we are. So I’m not sure if Marian apparitions are a helpful starting point. Especially since Protestants don’t always know that belief in them is completely optional. And especially Medugorjie which is super controversial among Catholics even after the decision on it. I personally find that apparition SUPER sus and I do not think the seers are legit. The fact that she straight up lied about why she blinked when she was supposed to be in a trance is the smoking gun for me. I am a former protestant and I absolutely love the blessed mother and she’s been an incredible blessing in my life, but not this apparition.
@@emilyzlockard I've read that objection before; about the blinking seer of Medjugorje. To me it's spurious, claiming she lied based on one person's account. I would suggest taking a step back and looking at the whole picture. To that end I recommend Mirjana Soldo's 2017 book 'My Heart will Triumph'. From my perspective, based on two visits there in 1987 and 2019, there is just so much fruit stemming from Medjugorje, from Priestly and Religious vocations, to personal conversions and healings that it at least warrants far more than a cursory examination, which is all E. Michael Jones gave before condemning the apparition. As highly as I regard Jones, he is very much mistaken in this regard. One minor point I would make is that these seers are also fallible people. To expect their utter perfection in every regard is just a little nit picky. Be realistic about your own walk with the Lord for a moment. Read this book and you might just have a change of heart. I do wish the same for Mr. Jones as well.
This was a wonderful discussion and I hope you can get his wife on the show too. I often read other people's comments on videos, but I don't on Christian discussions because of the surprising amount of rudeness coming from Christians, it is so distressing.
Hi Arlene ~ I absolutely agree with you 💯%! We are all children and followers of our Beloved Lord…therefore…we should respect and show kindness, compassion, patience, and love to others, as He instructed us to follow in the 1st and most important commandment! If we wish for others to follow our faith, than we must demonstrate to them via our daily actions. Words are simple and easy to share, but walking in the steps of our Lord is far more challenging, but ALWAYS worth every effort. I never wish to be the person who is a stumbling block or prevents others from seeking out our faith and joining The Church, via my misguided actions/words…thus…it’s part of my daily prayers. If someone is even a little curious about our Saviour, Trinity, Faith, Church, or any other aspect of Christianity…I am truly hopeful that I never prevent anyone from seeking Truth in our God! We are saved by faith, but it’s through our actions that others will judge the entire global Church from how we conduct ourselves. I never wish to meet our Lord and have to explain why I prevented someone from gracing the doorway of a church…nor…how I was disrespectful and refused to show a fellow Christian or non-believer kindness and love…thus…preventing them from exploring our Faith, and ultimately enter into the KINGDOM…where all God’s people will meet one glorious day! I am Protestant and was raised in that tradition, but I attended daily Catholic religious classes, which ultimately lead the nuns to invite me to mass. I attended mass until I moved away for university. However, the new city in which I live has all traditional orthodox churches from each denomination/tradition to celebrate Christmas Eve Mass together. Each priest/pastor contributes to an extraordinary evening of worship and praise. If one cannot feel the presence of God within this beautiful, celebratory mass of our Lord’s birth, then I don’t know where one would venture to embrace the Divine…it’s truly a magical evening of celebration and worship with ALL denominations, which is why I and thousands of others gather for this mass each and every year! Because there is such a tremendous attendance, we have to organize a few masses simultaneously…although…there are earlier masses for one to attend. I pray this phenomenal Christmas celebration continues to grow, so we have to organize even more masses! I truly believe this is a path forward for our various traditions to unite…which I believe may hold the catalyst for non-believers within our communities to seek out local, compassionate parishes - for if we cannot put aside our differences and come together and worship our Lord, than how can we expect non-believers to enter our churches and seriously consider Christianity. Finally ~ I want to wish You and your Loved Ones a very… 🌟🎄MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!🎄🌟 Many blessings and good tidings!❤
Im from Sri Lanka where there is a strong Anglican (Church of England) presence and my dad's family is Anglican. I myself am Roman Catholic as my mom is (the Roman Catholic church is the biggest here). Having exposure to both sides i can attest its largely indistinguishable in terms of the church services with the main difference being the lack of icons or saints venerated in the Anglican church. There is so much to learn from both sides.
I had the paper bound NT version and _thought_ the new leather bound was hard back; it isn't as you can see in the vid where he holds it up and waves it around. The leather bound is like my paper bound only in leather. If you prefer a normal stiff book I would recommend the hard back.
JM do you think the extra books of the ethiopian church have a place ? What is your opinion of them ? Would love to hear your views regarding these books - Book of Jubilees , Book of Enoch etc.......
It was a somewhat long journey for me studying my way into the Catholic Church (about 5 yrs) but it did start with the book you mentioned - Catholicism and Fundamentalism by Karl Keating.
Among other things in this terrific interview, your comment about the 100 systemics and their traditional affiliations piqued my interest. I’d like to learn the resources and the overlaps and divergences they have.
I am a retired pastor, but still teach. I have many study bibles. Does this Catholic study Bible contain enough valuable new insight to warrant a purchase? Pastor Greg
@@gregparis8948 if you don't have a Catholic study Bible, then I highly recommend this one. I just finished the notes to Genesis today and they are very good.
Pretty sure the other Ignatius Bibles use RSV-CE 2nd edition. My guess is that would be the primary reason. I am almost done with Father Mike's BIY with the Great Adventure Bible. Curious about this behemeth. Initially this past January, I looked at NABRE a bit. Really did not like the notes in particular and happy with the purchase of the Great Adventure/Father Mike's BIY series. I think we as Catholics benefit greatly from those that were Protestants and know the Bible so well, that are now Catholic. Wonderful converation. Thank you. In the end, we the faithful are all one I believe.
I’ve got my classic red paperback NABRE I got on a retreat in college. I also did Fr. Mike’s BIY and got the Great Adventure Bible. I really like that one, but it lacks notes. However, I love the breakdown of each period and the work with the major covenants of Salvation History. Such a gift! I had to get the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible for my masters at Franciscan University of Steubenville, and I absolutely love it! That one is hardcover. Then of course I wanted the OT as well, so I had ordered this new one. I absolutely love it! The essays are amazing, the notes and topical essays within the text are so good, and I just prefer the notes of the RSVCE more compared to the NABRE.
I've just completed the BIY. It's an excellent Bible!!! Notes are lacking because it's primary purpose is for the story of Salvation History as a whole. And how to properly read the Bible in order. That is why it is unmatched. Not many if any, do that.
Good video. Thanks. It's interesting that Dr. Thomas has worked on McGrath's introduction given that the latter is an Evangelical Anglican. I don't think many Evangelical Anglicans - who are definitely in the ascendant in the Church of England - would see Anglicanism as a halfway house between Protestantism and Catholicism, as described in the video. The RSV2CE is an update of the RSV-CE. As well as replacing the archaisms of the original edition, it makes translation choices that align better with Catholic doctrine, while still being credible or accurate in relation to the underlying Greek or Hebrew. There is, of course, an NRSV-CE but the scholars behind the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible would disagree with some of its translation choices (eg inclusive language, in particular by rendering singular as plural, which often has the effect of eliminating possible christological readings of texts). It's possible that if they were starting out today they might have chosen the ESV-CE. In referencing the Orthodox or the Copts, let's not forget that there are 23 Eastern Christian churches in communion with Rome.
That's EXACTLY the argument I've made for Third Maccabees. How can you not like this line? *Then the king, completely inflexible, was filled with overpowering anger and wrath, so he summoned Hermon, keeper of the elephants, and ordered him on the following day to drug all the elephants-five hundred in number-with large handfuls of frankincense and plenty of unmixed wine and to drive them in, maddened by the lavish abundance of drink, so that the Jews might meet their doom.* (3 Macc. 5.1-2 NRSVue)
I have a serious question, and it has to do with Bibles. How come Protestant Bibles can come with an inset index in the page edges, but you can't find a Catholic Bible with them? Like Iggies giant study Bible (which I just received last week). It has some nice stuff inside but if you want to find say...Sirach there is no edge thingy to flip to it.
@@dave_ecclectic personally, I don't like page tabs. I think if you want to find a book, you should look in the table of contents and then remember where it is after that. I also don't like tabs because they make the page edges curl. I think familiarity through daily reading is a better overall solution. :-)
@@tillo1981 I'm not talking about tabs. I'm talking about those scalloped, gouges in the edge that stop on the page you want. Place your finger in the scallop and you have the page. Thanks though as you gave me an idea. As I already have a few Bibles, I think I'll ink the edge like they did, it will at least get me close if not right on it. and it should be easy enough to do.
Mark 9:38. "Teacher," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."39. "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,40. for whoever is not against us is for us.
Among other things in this terrific interview, your comment about the 100 systemics and their traditional affiliations piqued my interest. I’d like to learn the resources and the directions they favor.
I also like the term "ecclesiastical books." I've been thinking (and still am) about the distinction in Orthodox and Roman Catholic canons, and I don't think there is one. There's a difference in views of inspiration, and we obscure this by looking at Bibles anachronistically. We look at printed Bibles as the canon, but single volume or identical Bibles really weren't feasible until the printing press, and many churches couldn't afford full Bibles. Roman Catholic Bibles go back to Carthage in 397, which was accepted pretty much everywhere, including Orthodox churches. It doesn't delineate the list of inspired Scriptures but puts a cap on what books may be read in services. It might even assume books are inspired Scripture that it doesn't list. It doesn't talk about what books should be collected. If this understanding is right, then we look at the books that are read in services, not the books that are printed. The Orthodox Churches, possibly excepting the Ethiopians, only read from books approved by Carthage in 397. III Maccabees, for instance, is never read. Orthodox will commonly say the canon is what we read, but we don't really internalize it, because then we would never discuss III Maccabees as canon. It has also led to some rather confusing talk about canons: "We affirm all the canons, including Carthage," but that's not really coherent for us to say, since Carthage puts a hard limit on what may be used. The vocabulary wouldn't mix well with a contradictory council. If, however, we don't view inspiration as ending at the canon but books we may read from, or possibly books that are infallible, as ending there, then we don't need to affirm formal contradictions. I know this model holds for all the Chalcedonian Orthodox, but the non-Chalcedonian have been out of communion for 1500 years. I don't think it can for the Ethiopians even if the books read are the same (I haven't checked), as their books of Maccabees aren't even the same books. However, it looks like it holds in every other tradition I've examined. There appears to be only one Orthodox/Catholic canon with disagreements about whether we can print other books or about the limits of inspiration, where the Roman Catholics seem to make canon and inspiration co-terminous.
A small correction to the Good theologian...ALL priests are part of an order - the Order of Melchizedek; not all priests are members of a "Catholic religious order."
I don't agree at all that evangelicals, or protestants in general, are serious in their exegesis - quite the opposite - they demonstrate themselves to be pretty ideological guys, able to easily deny the clearest biblical evidence against their doctrinal positions...
@DiscipleDojo clearly we do not all celebrate the same thing or we'd all be in communion with one another. I spent my entire life as one type of evangelical or another before becoming Catholic a couple of years ago. I would say that is the core of all our disagreements. Either the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus or it's crackers and grape juice. And if a protestant becomes convinced of the former, there are only 2 viable options out there
This is what all eucumenical conversations should be like: mutual respect between fellow brothers in Christ, trying to understand one another, without hiding our disagreements. Great interview!
Hi! I am a Catholic man and I love the faith. I love everything about it. I’ve watched your two videos in this study Bible and I appreciate your efforts in reviewing! Keep up the good work. As your brother in Christ, God bless you.
Catholism is not Christianity, pope wears the hat of Dagon (a demon), the basilica is a huge serpent wearing a crown, changing the 10 commandments, idols, The telescope named Lucifer, praying to Mary and the saints (ashtorath worship),pedophillia, ect ect repent of Constantine’s paganism and have a real relationship with Christ Jesus. God bless u bro.
You love the faith. Do you love Jesus?
@ Kind of a funny question to me. Of course I love Jesus Christ! He’s my only Lord and Savior! I love him more than anything there ever was, is, or will be! My relationship with Christ is the most important thing in my life and I thank him every day. In my experience, the teachings and traditions of the Catholic Church have facilitated my life in Christ and I love everything about it. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
@@sird2333 Do you love the historical Jesus?
@@johnbanasiak3720😅 he thought he " had you" with that question.
Baptist -> agnostic -> recent Catholic here and this conversation was so refreshing! Feeling encouraged to continue ecumenical discussions as well.
Love watching channels that can discuss different viewpoints freely
Love the depth of biblical literacy going on in this conversation. It is refreshing to hear nuanced ecumenical conversations with respect for diverse perspectives. Thanks 👍
Thank you for both of your valued opinions and commentaries. I listened avidly and appreciate the blend of where you are both coming from. I am a Catholic RCIA teacher (the adult education needed to join the Catholic faith). I ordered the Ignatius Study Bible but have not received it yet. Can’t wait!
Good video. Thanks for having him on to give us catholics a fair exposition of our faith.
Definitely excited to see another brilliant episode between You and Dr. Matthew Thomas!
Many blessings!❤
Thanks for having this ecumenical discussion. We need a lot more of this!
I appreciate you honest and gracious reviews of Catholic Bibles. 😊
What a beautiful and thoughtful conversation. Thank you both for sharing.
Hi JM ~ As a Protestant, I truly hope you continue to invite Christians of various traditions on your channel, as I believe most everyone enjoyed this episode IMMENSELY, and were blessed by it, as was I! I share your and Matthew’s approach and friendship, which helps tremendously when volunteering in our community, and maintain friendships with believers and non-believers alike. Also, this is a tremendous precedent and reminder in which we should conduct ourselves for Christmas, the Holiday Season, and throughout the remainder of the year! Looking forward to a new year full of such wonderful surprises and discussions!
Finally ~ I want to wish you, Matthew and your families a very…
🌟🎄MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!🎄🌟
Many blessings!❤
This was a wonderful conversation, thanks for having Dr Thomas on. I really enjoyed the discussion.
Love this discussion! Can’t wait for mine to come in!
Very ecumenical and healthy. I owned the original New Testament version and just acquired the new version (0ld and New). Before I even finished this video, I order Christian Theology an Introduction and Paul's "Works of the Law" in the Perspective of Second-Century Reception
Thank you Both and Merry Christmas
What is the original New Testament version?
Great discussion, appreciate the respect in tone while not falling in the "we are all the same" oecumenism.
Just found this channel because of the review. What an awesome episode! May God continue to bless your ministry!
As a charismatic - independant churcg Christian I really enjoyed this. As Christians we have such a rich deep tradition.
BTW there are Charismatic Catholics
Great content! Can’t wait for the next time you have him on!
what awonderful conversation, and we need more.
You guys are great! Do some more...
James, congrats on interviewing Matthew. I'm a 70 yr old Catholic who at 18 went to Protestant Bible studies for 5 years, even spent 2 months at French L'Abri among Francis Schaeffer disciples. I'd love to see you interview a proponent of Medjugorje, someone as articulate as your current guest. From my perspective, Jesus' mother Mary is a very cohesive, much needed influence, not only in the Church at large, but in the world today. Prophetic, motherly, pure and compassionate come to mind when I think of her. The congenial tone of your conversation with Matthew is so obviously beneficial in these days of division among the brethren. Detractors of Medjugorje may not have read Mirjana Soldo's 2016 book 'My Heart Will Triumph'. Thank You.
How was she prophetic? What’d she prophesy? Motherly, yeah I hope to her boy. Pure, no one is pure. She sinned, just like every other human. Compassionate? How? And what is she offering compassion on? She’s dead.
@@sird2333she never sinned, scripture refutes your claim, same with your claim that she is dead
@@sird2333 Research Fatima and Medjugorje.
It’s definitely a big topic that I would not expect Protestants to embrace without a lot of self-directed study. They don’t often know about the New Eve and the New Ark from the early church. They often think of the saints as dead when of course they are much more alive than we are. So I’m not sure if Marian apparitions are a helpful starting point. Especially since Protestants don’t always know that belief in them is completely optional. And especially Medugorjie which is super controversial among Catholics even after the decision on it. I personally find that apparition SUPER sus and I do not think the seers are legit. The fact that she straight up lied about why she blinked when she was supposed to be in a trance is the smoking gun for me. I am a former protestant and I absolutely love the blessed mother and she’s been an incredible blessing in my life, but not this apparition.
@@emilyzlockard I've read that objection before; about the blinking seer of Medjugorje. To me it's spurious, claiming she lied based on one person's account. I would suggest taking a step back and looking at the whole picture. To that end I recommend Mirjana Soldo's 2017 book 'My Heart will Triumph'. From my perspective, based on two visits there in 1987 and 2019, there is just so much fruit stemming from Medjugorje, from Priestly and Religious vocations, to personal conversions and healings that it at least warrants far more than a cursory examination, which is all E. Michael Jones gave before condemning the apparition. As highly as I regard Jones, he is very much mistaken in this regard. One minor point I would make is that these seers are also fallible people. To expect their utter perfection in every regard is just a little nit picky. Be realistic about your own walk with the Lord for a moment. Read this book and you might just have a change of heart. I do wish the same for Mr. Jones as well.
Wonderful conversation. Thank you for this content.
A wonderful conversation.
This was a wonderful discussion and I hope you can get his wife on the show too. I often read other people's comments on videos, but I don't on Christian discussions because of the surprising amount of rudeness coming from Christians, it is so distressing.
Hi Arlene ~ I absolutely agree with you 💯%! We are all children and followers of our Beloved Lord…therefore…we should respect and show kindness, compassion, patience, and love to others, as He instructed us to follow in the 1st and most important commandment! If we wish for others to follow our faith, than we must demonstrate to them via our daily actions. Words are simple and easy to share, but walking in the steps of our Lord is far more challenging, but ALWAYS worth every effort.
I never wish to be the person who is a stumbling block or prevents others from seeking out our faith and joining The Church, via my misguided actions/words…thus…it’s part of my daily prayers.
If someone is even a little curious about our Saviour, Trinity, Faith, Church, or any other aspect of Christianity…I am truly hopeful that I never prevent anyone from seeking Truth in our God! We are saved by faith, but it’s through our actions that others will judge the entire global Church from how we conduct ourselves. I never wish to meet our Lord and have to explain why I prevented someone from gracing the doorway of a church…nor…how I was disrespectful and refused to show a fellow Christian or non-believer kindness and love…thus…preventing them from exploring our Faith, and ultimately enter into the KINGDOM…where all God’s people will meet one glorious day!
I am Protestant and was raised in that tradition, but I attended daily Catholic religious classes, which ultimately lead the nuns to invite me to mass. I attended mass until I moved away for university. However, the new city in which I live has all traditional orthodox churches from each denomination/tradition to celebrate Christmas Eve Mass together. Each priest/pastor contributes to an extraordinary evening of worship and praise. If one cannot feel the presence of God within this beautiful, celebratory mass of our Lord’s birth, then I don’t know where one would venture to embrace the Divine…it’s truly a magical evening of celebration and worship with ALL denominations, which is why I and thousands of others gather for this mass each and every year! Because there is such a tremendous attendance, we have to organize a few masses simultaneously…although…there are earlier masses for one to attend. I pray this phenomenal Christmas celebration continues to grow, so we have to organize even more masses! I truly believe this is a path forward for our various traditions to unite…which I believe may hold the catalyst for non-believers within our communities to seek out local, compassionate parishes - for if we cannot put aside our differences and come together and worship our Lord, than how can we expect non-believers to enter our churches and seriously consider Christianity.
Finally ~ I want to wish You and your Loved Ones a very…
🌟🎄MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!🎄🌟
Many blessings and good tidings!❤
Absolutely wonderful
Thank you! Great job! extremely interesting.
I’m also a purple belt, glad I found ya.
@@RoloSolis81 sweet. Where do you train?
Im from Sri Lanka where there is a strong Anglican (Church of England) presence and my dad's family is Anglican. I myself am Roman Catholic as my mom is (the Roman Catholic church is the biggest here). Having exposure to both sides i can attest its largely indistinguishable in terms of the church services with the main difference being the lack of icons or saints venerated in the Anglican church. There is so much to learn from both sides.
Old Catholic Ironworker here. This was great! I don’t have this Bible yet. Debating on whether to get the leather or the hard back.
I had the paper bound NT version and _thought_ the new leather bound was hard back; it isn't as you can see in the vid where he holds it up and waves it around. The leather bound is like my paper bound only in leather.
If you prefer a normal stiff book I would recommend the hard back.
Both Scott Hahn & Marcus Grodi are graduates of Gordon-Conwell
JM do you think the extra books of the ethiopian church have a place ? What is your opinion of them ? Would love to hear your views regarding these books - Book of Jubilees , Book of Enoch etc.......
@@jacoschlebusch9053 I have read them and find them interesting, but only as a reflection of 2nd Temple literary traditions and folklore.
It was a somewhat long journey for me studying my way into the Catholic Church (about 5 yrs) but it did start with the book you mentioned - Catholicism and Fundamentalism by Karl Keating.
Great conversation
Among other things in this terrific interview, your comment about the 100 systemics and their traditional affiliations piqued my interest. I’d like to learn the resources and the overlaps and divergences they have.
I am a retired pastor, but still teach. I have many study bibles. Does this Catholic study Bible contain enough valuable new insight to warrant a purchase? Pastor Greg
@@gregparis8948 if you don't have a Catholic study Bible, then I highly recommend this one. I just finished the notes to Genesis today and they are very good.
Pretty sure the other Ignatius Bibles use RSV-CE 2nd edition. My guess is that would be the primary reason. I am almost done with Father Mike's BIY with the Great Adventure Bible. Curious about this behemeth. Initially this past January, I looked at NABRE a bit. Really did not like the notes in particular and happy with the purchase of the Great Adventure/Father Mike's BIY series. I think we as Catholics benefit greatly from those that were Protestants and know the Bible so well, that are now Catholic. Wonderful converation. Thank you. In the end, we the faithful are all one I believe.
I’ve got my classic red paperback NABRE I got on a retreat in college. I also did Fr. Mike’s BIY and got the Great Adventure Bible. I really like that one, but it lacks notes. However, I love the breakdown of each period and the work with the major covenants of Salvation History. Such a gift!
I had to get the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible for my masters at Franciscan University of Steubenville, and I absolutely love it! That one is hardcover. Then of course I wanted the OT as well, so I had ordered this new one. I absolutely love it! The essays are amazing, the notes and topical essays within the text are so good, and I just prefer the notes of the RSVCE more compared to the NABRE.
I've just completed the BIY. It's an excellent Bible!!! Notes are lacking because it's primary purpose is for the story of Salvation History as a whole. And how to properly read the Bible in order. That is why it is unmatched. Not many if any, do that.
Good video. Thanks. It's interesting that Dr. Thomas has worked on McGrath's introduction given that the latter is an Evangelical Anglican. I don't think many Evangelical Anglicans - who are definitely in the ascendant in the Church of England - would see Anglicanism as a halfway house between Protestantism and Catholicism, as described in the video.
The RSV2CE is an update of the RSV-CE. As well as replacing the archaisms of the original edition, it makes translation choices that align better with Catholic doctrine, while still being credible or accurate in relation to the underlying Greek or Hebrew. There is, of course, an NRSV-CE but the scholars behind the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible would disagree with some of its translation choices (eg inclusive language, in particular by rendering singular as plural, which often has the effect of eliminating possible christological readings of texts). It's possible that if they were starting out today they might have chosen the ESV-CE.
In referencing the Orthodox or the Copts, let's not forget that there are 23 Eastern Christian churches in communion with Rome.
Each order has its own charism - their duties.
Catholicism ❤ love interfaith dialogue
God Bless and Merry Christmas!🎄 ❤😊
Just ordered the paperback version, found it for a tad shy of $50 and was able to pay with a payment plan on 4 pension cheques.
One of these days I be able to afford that Bible, thx for the video.
I maybe getting this mixed up but I believe Dr Scott Han, one of the leads on the study bible you are referring to, went to Gordon-Conwell.
That's EXACTLY the argument I've made for Third Maccabees. How can you not like this line?
*Then the king, completely inflexible, was filled with overpowering anger and wrath, so he summoned Hermon, keeper of the elephants, and ordered him on the following day to drug all the elephants-five hundred in number-with large handfuls of frankincense and plenty of unmixed wine and to drive them in, maddened by the lavish abundance of drink, so that the Jews might meet their doom.* (3 Macc. 5.1-2 NRSVue)
I want a leather one of these!
I love this study Bible !
Have you checked out the Soulfinder comic? It’s terrific!
I have a serious question, and it has to do with Bibles.
How come Protestant Bibles can come with an inset index in the page edges, but you can't find a Catholic Bible with them?
Like Iggies giant study Bible (which I just received last week). It has some nice stuff inside but if you want to find say...Sirach there is no edge thingy to flip to it.
@@dave_ecclectic personally, I don't like page tabs. I think if you want to find a book, you should look in the table of contents and then remember where it is after that. I also don't like tabs because they make the page edges curl. I think familiarity through daily reading is a better overall solution. :-)
The Great Adventure Bible by Ascension Press has tabs that you speak of! It's a great Bible.
@@tillo1981
I'm not talking about tabs. I'm talking about those scalloped, gouges in the edge that stop on the page you want. Place your finger in the scallop and you have the page.
Thanks though as you gave me an idea.
As I already have a few Bibles, I think I'll ink the edge like they did, it will at least get me close if not right on it. and it should be easy enough to do.
For us in SoCal where is Berkeley
Mark 9:38. "Teacher," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."39. "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,40. for whoever is not against us is for us.
Among other things in this terrific interview, your comment about the 100 systemics and their traditional affiliations piqued my interest. I’d like to learn the resources and the directions they favor.
fyi I was unsubscribed, I subbed.
Maccabees means "the Hammer"!!!💪💪💪
I would like to find a good commentary on Third Maccabees. (not joking)
@@EricStaley-pn3nw CEB Study Bible w/ Apochrypha would be my recommendation.
@@DiscipleDojo Thank you
I am the 41st person to watch this video.
Why not use the ESV-CE?
It wasn't around when the ICSB project started.
@edwardbell9795 yes, I know. I wish they could have used a translation that accounted for the Dead Sea scrolls and other recent discoveries.
I also like the term "ecclesiastical books."
I've been thinking (and still am) about the distinction in Orthodox and Roman Catholic canons, and I don't think there is one. There's a difference in views of inspiration, and we obscure this by looking at Bibles anachronistically. We look at printed Bibles as the canon, but single volume or identical Bibles really weren't feasible until the printing press, and many churches couldn't afford full Bibles.
Roman Catholic Bibles go back to Carthage in 397, which was accepted pretty much everywhere, including Orthodox churches. It doesn't delineate the list of inspired Scriptures but puts a cap on what books may be read in services. It might even assume books are inspired Scripture that it doesn't list. It doesn't talk about what books should be collected.
If this understanding is right, then we look at the books that are read in services, not the books that are printed. The Orthodox Churches, possibly excepting the Ethiopians, only read from books approved by Carthage in 397. III Maccabees, for instance, is never read.
Orthodox will commonly say the canon is what we read, but we don't really internalize it, because then we would never discuss III Maccabees as canon. It has also led to some rather confusing talk about canons: "We affirm all the canons, including Carthage," but that's not really coherent for us to say, since Carthage puts a hard limit on what may be used. The vocabulary wouldn't mix well with a contradictory council.
If, however, we don't view inspiration as ending at the canon but books we may read from, or possibly books that are infallible, as ending there, then we don't need to affirm formal contradictions.
I know this model holds for all the Chalcedonian Orthodox, but the non-Chalcedonian have been out of communion for 1500 years. I don't think it can for the Ethiopians even if the books read are the same (I haven't checked), as their books of Maccabees aren't even the same books. However, it looks like it holds in every other tradition I've examined. There appears to be only one Orthodox/Catholic canon with disagreements about whether we can print other books or about the limits of inspiration, where the Roman Catholics seem to make canon and inspiration co-terminous.
Karl Keating
A small correction to the Good theologian...ALL priests are part of an order - the Order of Melchizedek; not all priests are members of a "Catholic religious order."
I don't agree at all that evangelicals, or protestants in general, are serious in their exegesis - quite the opposite - they demonstrate themselves to be pretty ideological guys, able to easily deny the clearest biblical evidence against their doctrinal positions...
@@silveriorebelo2920 now you know how we feel talking to dogmatic Catholics. 😅
No Eucharist, no unity
@@HrvojeSL we all celebrate it.
@DiscipleDojo clearly we do not all celebrate the same thing or we'd all be in communion with one another. I spent my entire life as one type of evangelical or another before becoming Catholic a couple of years ago. I would say that is the core of all our disagreements. Either the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus or it's crackers and grape juice.
And if a protestant becomes convinced of the former, there are only 2 viable options out there
Agreed. However, consider us just of a different specialized Order…
You look like Hafthor
@@paneuropa9486 I don't know what that means. What is a hafthor?
Hafthor Bjornson, Icelandic strongman.
Not trolling, simply observing. Currently enjoying this video 🤗
@@paneuropa9486 it must be our similar mass. 😅
You look so Irish. Q: why aren’t potatoes in the Bible?