Project Necromancer, name dropped in The Mandalorian, is definitely about resurrecting/cloning Sheeve Palpatine to be the true ruler of the galaxy. They are absolutely bridging the gap between Return of the Jedi and Force Awakens with the Favreau and Filoni shows.
Tbh I’d say point 1 is exactly what’s happening rn with Filoni’s stuff at bare minimum. It’s all very obvious what it’s leading to; a canon and very loose adaptation of the Heir to the Empire. Thrawn will escape the galaxy with Peridea, he’ll unite the Imperial Remnants, and it’ll be this big crossover event with all the Mando era characters
1. Make Dave Fioloni the creative head. 2. Make Dave Fioloni the creative head. 3.Make Dave Fioloni the creative head. 4.Make Dave Fioloni the creative head. 5.Make Dave Fioloni the creative head.
I’m almost 50 and when I say or hear STAR WARS I think of Chewbacca, Darth Vader, The Millennium Falcon, Luke, Han, Leia, Jabba the Hutt etc. If Disney does a survey with kids (15 and younger) and ask them “What do you think of when you hear and say STAR WARS?” And their response is Kylo, Rey, Mandalorian, Baby Yoda, Inquisitors, Finn, BB-8, Moff Gideon then Disney is doing exactly what they planned to do. Disney SW is not for the older crowd it’s for the kids. Let them watch and enjoy. Pick what they love about it (maybe young Leia or Reva). We older folks of the OT and PT had our turn and we all just need to “Move along”.
The High Republic is about 300 years before the movies. It’s all completely new characters and not remotely tied into the saga. Some of the books would be awesome movies and this group of authors actually do have a plan. These are all interconnected stories.
John's remark about Yoda isn't really true as well. Yes he's alive in this time period but they've been keeping him out of the stories as much as possible.
If those stories can't sell books then they won't sell movies. They tried to creates a KOTOR and change the name. It didn't work. That ship has sailed.
@@fateagle4lifeStar Wars has never been a big literary franchise, it’s a movie franchise. Whether they sell or not has no bearing on whether they’d make a good movie. The books could be the greatest Star Wars story ever told and they still wouldn’t sell in huge amounts as Star Wars fans don’t gravitate to the books or the animated shows or the comics, they want movies. I’m not saying that they should or shouldn’t adapt High Republic stuff but John’s reason for dismissing it was incorrect.
i always wanted to see the old republic era. all the glimpses for that time looks so good. i would curious what it was like when it was a bunch of jedi and sith
People out here talking about how Star Wars is dead or dying. Meanwhile, Star Wars is more culturally relevant and is being talked about WAY more than it was during the nearly twenty years between the end of the OT and the introduction of the prequels. Yes; much of the newest material is kind of trashy, but that doesn’t negate the stuff that came out before. And there’s some good stuff mixed in with the trash. Back in what some refer to as “The Dark Times,” when Star Wars content consisted primarily of novels and comics (and a couple of made-for-tv Ewok movies thrown in), fans were faced with media of wildly varying quality. And they did what any rational people would do: The celebrated the stuff they liked, and moved past the stuff that they didn’t. This approach worked back then, and it works now. The only difference is that there’s way more stuff to choose from now than there was then.
Tell you what, I was in the Lucasfilm panel at Star wars celebration Europe in London, and the reception for the new Rey movie was muted. No appetite for it.
i think the sequel trilogy did a lot of harm to the star wars brand that maybe irreversible to recover from especially with a huge chunk of the fandom who loved or liked the original trilogy and even those who grew up on the prequels how they treated the character arcs and history of beloved individuals like luke, leia, han, and anakin ... even a certain extent obi wan after his series wasn't received well by most ... that pissed off a lot of fans and probably a good number of them have given up on the stars wars as a whole to be honest if the sequel trilogy had been successful by having a legit plan and didn't "disrespect" the core characters of this film universe from the first six movies, i think there would be a ton of excitement for non skywalker star wars films in the future ... not sure that's the case now and going forward i think the skywalkers were star wars for a lot of fans and to see what happened to those characters in the sequels angered so many to the point where i believe many fans who supported star was for 20, 30, or even 40 years have given up on the franchise as they didn't like what happened over the last 5-6 years really ever since after the force awakens and definitely are not thrilled with the way they view how this franchise is being handled and where this universe is heading from a creative standpoint if disney or kennedy thought they could get by or do without the die hard star wars fans who have been supporting this franchise for decades and they could be replaced by newer and younger fans who liked or grew up on these sequels films ... imo they're in for a rude awakening in the future
I'd like to express my respectful disagreement with your viewpoint on moving away from the Skywalker storyline. The prospect of advancing the storyline by a significant span, whether it be 10, 20, or an ambitious 100 years or more, presents an exciting opportunity. And so moving beyond Luke, yes I can agree. A time leap offers a chance to explore new horizons within the Star Wars universebbeyond the 70s characters. But, the idea of maintaining a connection to the illustrious Skywalker bloodline adds a layer of complexity and depth to the narrative, reminiscent of the captivating sagas found in Greek mythology or the intricate histories of noble families, with their lineages stretching across countless generations. By extending the timeline, we open the door to fresh story arcs, character developments, and unforeseen challenges that can breathe new life into the beloved Star Wars galaxy. This evolution allows us to delve into the legacy of the Skywalkers in a way that pays homage to the rich traditions of epic storytelling, while also forging a path into uncharted territories of creativity and imagination.
I agree with point 1. I partially agree with point 2. A Lando movie could still be great if done right. The Acolyte could be going in a new direction, again if done right. But let’s not forget that going forward currently doesn’t work as well on Star Trek as catering to nostalgia does. Nostalgia also worked extremely well for The Mandalorian, season 1. I only partially agree with point 3. Rogue One and Andor worked very well without Jedi. I totally agree with point 4. But isn’t Zack Snyder currently doing that? 😉 I absolutely agree with point 5.
Have a plan? Absolutely! It feels like EVERYTHING wrong with the Sequel Trilogy was down to the complete lack of any sort of coherent overarching plan/storyline. And while we're at it, instead of completely "giving" over these projects to individual writer/directors like Abrams or Johnson or Waititi, who might not cherish specific elements of the Star Wars mythology or care about what's coming next, why not employ a core group of writers to develop the direction of the franchise moving forward and just employ directors-for-hire to film them (like Lucas had for ESB and ROTJ)?
They need to get Sam Witwer and Hayden Christensen together and do the Starkiller storyline. Vader having a secret apprentice is just too entertaining to ignore, and If I’m not mistaken, Starkiller is a major player in the foundation of the Rebel Alliance and thus, a pretty important character in the cannon, and it would be stupid not to tap into something that fans really, really want to see.
I think they should adapt The Force Unleashed as well, but it probably can’t be canon if they’re gonna tell it exactly how the game was, cause Starkiller really was too powerful. He was whooping Vader ass 😂 If they do make it canon however he would have to be killed off like in the game, and not adapt that second one. Trust me I want that too… but it’s tricky!
They also need proper fight choreographers, action directors and train the actors prior to shooting the film/show like what they did for The Matrix 1-3. Lightsaber fights are one of the main draws of this franchise, but they're still moving like it's the 70s and 80s in the live action content. Even if the story's bad, you can still scrape by if you have great fight scenes. People slammed the heck out of the writing in the prequel trilogy, Matrix 2 & 3, John Wick 2-4 etc. but they enjoyed the heck out of the action in the movies. Great action scenes will work wonders.
corygasaway7686 quote- People always want so much to happen in each episode. What's with the desire for such fast pacing? It is usually a disaster. It's a cardinal rule in writing a narrative: if you know for sure where your story is going, then take your time to get there. Take your reader on a journey. Rushed narratives, especially for television, are usually a disaster. Remember seasons 7 and 8 of GOT? The best series take their time to unfold over seasons, not a season. This was a magical episode and truly felt like Star Wars being reborn with Ahsoka's character development.
@Thiago_Alves_Souza quote- They're not great but they're still good. I don't need a lightsaber duel where they're just spinning blades like idiots all day. Makes them not look like warriors but typical nerds who think flashy moves equals a real fight. A real duel is slow, precise and doesn't require gazillion spins. I loved the prequel fights but some of the movements were just soectale and nor substance. This incorporates some flashiness but precise cutting and stabbing movements. This incorporates some flashiness but precise cutting and stabbing movements. acescher9011 quote- @Thiago_Alves_Souza Please look at the Duel of Fates in EP1 or even the final fight between Dooku, Obi-wan, Anakin, and Yoda. The only time you ever really see the crazy twirling and such is the final fight between Obi-wan and Anakin in EP 3 and that is cause they were supposed to be using the same lightsaber form to fight each other. It is also a bit laughable you saying a real duel is slow and precise. It is as if you have never watched fencing or even a kendo match. While there is a precision component they are far from being slow. As I said the choreography for the fights in this episode were done very poorly. @Thiago_Alves_Souza quote- @acescher9011 Kendo is a sport bruh I'm talking real life duels. Read historical manuals about how even European and Asian sword fights took place. Yes I was referring more to episode 3 final fight. I did enjoy Count Dooku a lot because Christopher Lee was a real life fencer and the movements in those are actually comparable to this more than episode 3 Battle of Heroes Watch Episode 1 and 2 duels and watch this one.
The light saber battles in ashoka and the other disney plus star wars shows were better then star wars,empire strikes back and return of jedi and better in the sequel starwars movies as well but in disney plu shows they are better.
John they also need to fix what happened in the sequel trilogy otherwise I dont think no matter how good the movies going forward the sour taste will always be there.
@@knight4urtv775 I am sure it's true with how many fans hate the sequels and what they did with them I think the best thing to do is retcon them fully and that can be done easily if it's done the right way.
Instead of including the Jedi….Star Wars needs to be about THE FORCE…that’s what makes it unique and it’s own thing….lightsabers are cool and Jedi are cool , but it’s the idea of the force and destiny and all that that makes Star Wars what it is
For me it's become less accessible to the casual viewer, I mean they say Star Trek is confusing with 3 Time periods (SNW, (Lower Decks/Picard) & Discovery) but with Star wars there is Acolyte (pre Episode 1) Obi Wan (post Episode 3) Andor(Pre Episode 4) Mando(post Episode 6) ReyShow(post Episode 9) I have no idea whe Asoka is set as I thought it spun of Mando which has jedi Luke but I see screenshots of Anakin which would be pre Episode 3, add to this the Rebels back story I have no idea about, I am completely lost. With the MCU Evey series and movie is a starting point that assumes no prerequisite knowledge, Star Wars need to do this or make recap shows like Game of thrones used to.
The very mistake with Star Wars is that they are trying so hard to keep telling sotries about it while they should just stop and leave the legacy alone.
I’m not sure John actually likes Star Wars, I think he thinks he likes Star Wars. Cuz he either doesn’t like or isn’t interested in half or almost half of all the Star Wars movies and shows. I hope that changes for him :/ cuz I think he used to like it
John also doesn't have kids and a lot of newer Disney stuff is focused in the direction of children. He may have a desk full of toys, but he is not himself a child either, so some of it just won't work for his adult lens of imagination.
The Last Jedi made us realise there wasn’t really a plan but it could have all been easily been salvaged if they had just followed the story beats set up by it. The only thing I truly dislike in the sequel trilogy is Palpatine being back
@cyberpup2246 I’m glad you know your stuff. Iv told countless people about hermit Luke bring George’s idea and have just got loads of hate for it 😂😂 i remember at the time marvel were getting a lot of flack for not letting their directors use their vision on films which is why Edgar Write left ant man. Lucasfilm didn’t want that to be a thing so let their directors do what they wanted. Unfortunately it kind of back fired. I will always be a TFA and TLJ defender tho. Really enjoy those films
Include the Jedi? Yes - but with some caveats; I still think there's plenty of scope for stories that don't include the Jedi - but it's also clear that the Jedi are in many ways, Star Wars' USP and should be a huge part of the direction forward. But I will say this - and people are free to disagree with me on it: the Jedi (as we know them) are kind of boring and could do with freshening-up. The whole concept of them being super-serious, super-thoughtful, CELIBATE warrior-monks doesn't exactly make for endless, fun storytelling opportunities and there's going to come a time when lightsabre duels lose their appeal. If you like your Jedi all serious and orthodox, then there is plenty of scope to make stories about them that are set before the Prequel Trilogy. But if the next movie is about Rey setting up a new Jedi Academy and trying to carry-on the old Jedi ways, then I think it will be a mistake. Why show us what happens to Force-users when they are NOT forced to adhere to the old Jedi dogma - or even maybe change the nature of the Force in some way, so that Jedi have different powers?
Totally agree, only way Star Wars can grow is to move beyond the Skywalker era. How many Vader stories do we have to read again (mostly comics). We need new stories, romance, small scale events that affects maybe one town, one planet not the entire universe. AND NO MORE bringing people back to life!!! Bringing back Maul was the mistake that brought us zombie Palpatine. I know a lot teens want Ben Solo back, but please Disney DON"T! Let the dead RIP.
The prequels created all the problems, and every subsequent (major) issue is derivative from them. They need separate from that perspective, that view of the Jedi, and that mythology if they want to find something that resonates with the human condition again.
I think you fail to understand that George Lucas isn’t there anymore and most of the people at Lucasfilm just don’t know what Star Wars is anymore. Fans have been asking for them to move forward especially with the sequels and all they did was retell the original trilogy all over again with new characters. There is no imagination whatsoever. They don’t want to tell Old Republic stories because they think they can do better with the High Republic.
The challenge isn't knowing what star wars is, but finding the balance of hitting the check boxes of the diverse tastes fans have all while trying to tell a cohesive story. This is what Filoni does well: weaving in space battles, weird creatures, high fantasy, Jedi action, force lore, and fan service.
The writing of the sequel trilogy is so odd. The first order just kind of takes over at the start of episode 8 and then they just disappear at the end of episode 9. Luke is acting like obiwan while palpatine is still acting like himself even though snoke has been running things. The final scene has just rey, luke, and leiah together even though rey wanted to make up with her parents, and luke and leiah wanted to make up with kylo.
number 1: Use world between worlds to keep Luke Skywalker from losing hope and exiling himself..... preferably keep Ben from turning, he could then have a younger brother and use Rey in place of what was the twin sister in the legends books.. then eventually turning to the dark side to try and keep rey from dying and eventually being redeemed at the end like his grandfather.... and then move forward from there .
I can’t help but think that too much of what makes Star Wars Star Wars is rooted in the old serials that inspired George. There was next to no swashbuckling in the sequel trilogy, for example.
i still think making rey a palpatine made her more interesting. You don't see any family relationship with obiwan, windu, dooku, yoda, and so on. So for me making rey related to someone made her stand out from the crowd.
I'm pretty much over Jedi. I don't mind The Force as a focus, but lets see how other beings are able to use it and what it does to others. I don't mind living in the past if we get shows like Andor. It's like looking at a piece of history. The Guardian of the Whills or whatever Chirrut was was interesting to me. How does the Force percolate though the galaxy?
You couldn’t be more wrong …moving on is what created this mess…they were years of stories for new movies concerning our original hero’s but they dropped the ball and moved the story years in the future. Recast already. Stop thinking Mark hamil or Harrison ford can’t be replaced . I don’t see you asking for marvel or Dc to move on from Superman or Spider-Man? If you move forward away from the original story it ceases to be Star Wars it becomes something else entirely as to why we have now and I’m sorry …but it lacks the magic and you know it!
one thing that would be much appreciated is if they didn’t set everything in the same time period. It’s either post episode 3 or after return of the jedi. Nothing has been set in the prequel era nor did anyone bother making a show or movie or game closer to the sequel era. If they did that maybe they could actually improve on that time period like how clone wars increased interest in the prequel era. If everything is set in the same time period a lot of content feels quite samey. Also it’s crazy that that many of the new characters are simply not that interesting except for mando and cal kestis. I’d love it if Cal was actually in a show or a movie. I don’t know what they’ll do though for the third game. The obvious choice is to kill off cal but that seems very predictable at this point.
I would like a mix of content. New characters but there is also a lot of stories they could tell with the characters we have already come to love, as well
Stop going backwards in time unless you go waaaay back to the old republic. Make good movies and shows that run for at least an hr per episode on at least game of thrones quality. Disney needs to sell the property really. I dont think they have what it takes to salvage it... unless the new head honcho has supreme vision
It might be the streaming model precludes shows with inherently bug budgets from doing just that. Lucafilm would go broke making $300M shows with no return. Whereas a Rey movie may make $1B in a few weeks.
Mainstream audiences have lost interest in the franchise, so you need to cast top tier A-list actors to attract regular people back to it. Maybe casting Denzil Washington as an older Finn, Brad Pitt, Keano Reeves, Matt Damon, Michael B Jordan, Will Smith, Bale or Di Caprio who have all said they are huge Star Wars fans growing up and would love to be in a Star Wars film. A big all star ensemble would create buzz and get interest in this dying franchise. Real representation not tokenism. Where there are powerful characters of colours who are not just side characters not doing anything cool. Star Wars has very low interest with people of colour in general because it is viewed as white people franchise because it is story based on Asian culture and religion but all the important story characters are white or white passing. It is 2023, you are not going to be a massive hit without people of colour being interested. Let’s have some lead Jedis who aren’t white for once. When Star Wars has massive following among alt right groups because they feel it guarantees white heroes, that tells you something about the lack of real representation in the franchise. Stop focusing on the nostalgia of the original movies and just let the skywalkers die. That tactic has been overused. Star Wars is meant to be a Galaxy, it feels like a single block with the same characters turning up in every show. Age up with your audience. There are several generations of adult Star Wars fans who have more mature tastes, make more adult Star Wars content and less kid focused movies. The kids will have the older movies and cartoons to watch, if they want to make money they need to stop adults not caring about Star Wars and make movies and shows aimed at them. I think Andor ruined Mandalorian because once we saw what an grown up Star Wars looked like it was difficult to get back into the kids stuff again. Plan and write compelling stories and movies. Stop with nostalgia play of the old trilogy or the Filoni universe that regular people have zero interest in. Follow all these steps and Stars will stop being a dead franchise
That's changed with shows and movies already and the shows have important stories as well leading up to the a movie.Rey is a women lead,yes she white but look at the complains about her,she is not white man.
The thing that made the Jedi interesting in the original trilogy is that they were a mystery, then the prequels came along and just vomited every little secret about them all over the screen for 7 hours and the jedi became instantly less interesting... Star Wars is better the fewer force users there are!
I said it before and I'll say it again, STAR WARS can't move forward until Lucasfilm/Disney fixes the mistakes that they made with the sequel trilogy by either (a) retconning parts of or adding new info to those films to reveal that things weren't what we thought or (b) make the sequel trilogy non cannon with no explanation and then remake the sequel trilogy using Lucas's original planned story and by casting younger actors in the roles of Luke,Han,Leia,and Lando. This isn't rocket science.
I see option A as a possibility. Option B, I wouldn't put my money on that. I say that because someone will say Disney has no integrity or their weak for sweeping the sequels under the rug. For example, whenever Disney tries to hide moments from their past, the movie Song of the South to name one, people call them out on it.
@@jloiben12 Ok, so tell me Star Wars story that isnt about Skywalker time period or doesnt involve Jedi vs Sith theme? Im not ironic, im genuinely interested.
They need to go back to making movies. If it's true that Filoni's Heir to the Empire is meant to be an Avengers Endgame level climax to this arc it's going to disappoint Disney in a major way when half the audience has no idea what's going on. They need to start and finish a new, good cinematic story that isn't tied down to references or sequels.
@Jon-eh1yw You're the only one seeing drama here, 'kid'. It's going to disappoint because those people will watch the trailer and not know what's going on, read that they have to see at least 5 different shows to enjoy it, and then not spend their money to see it. Then the word of mouth will get out about it being a TV movie and it'll have a pretty large drop off after opening weekend. It's not dramatic, it's just the most likely scenario. Especially when they already see Solo's 400 million dollars as a major disappointment.
While I don’t entirely disagree that we should do some new stories with new characters. I’ll say again, why are DC allowed to make endless movies with Batman and the same band of villains used over and over? Why can Marvel make endless movies with Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk etc? No one ever tells them to move on. Why should Star Wars move on from their iconic characters?
@@Predatorwarrior18 i'm not a fan of the prequels but I think a lot of good merchandise came out of them. I can't really say I've seen good merchandise based on the disney films.
“Tell new stories” Goes on to only mention already know locations and characters. Thank the fates he is never involved in planning Star Wars. Almost complete nonsense
Marvel, Pixar, Star Wars and all the original animated films were good to iconic. Disney ran these great IPs into the ground. I’m just thankful they’re sticking to ruining American films. I doubt new management will change anything.
jimkellysafro I’m not the biggest fan of Disney as a company overall but we have to give credit where it’s due. Disney has owned Marvel since 2009, so they ARE heavily responsible for the success of the Infinity Saga
@@rileyribble6733and then they ran it to the ground. Disney is fine when they cede power to people with creative vision like George Lucas or Kevin Feige. Unfortunately, the *”suits” start to push for quantity over quality* and things go to shit. With Star Wars they’re going to milk the characters from the original trilogy until it’s a joke. I wasn’t the biggest fan of the Star Wars prequel trilogy but George Lucas’ creative vision held those films together. In contrast, with the *recent Star Wars Sequels* we have JJ Abraham for films 1 and 3 and Rian Johnson for film 2 with “suit” Kathleen Kennedy as the consistent presence across all film. That’s the opposite of Warner Brothers who had the foresight to *allow Christopher Nolan to make all three Batman films.* Netflix Marvel was “water cooler” conversation at work. Everyone in my team signed up to Netflix because Daredevil was so good. **Head of Marvel Television and Writer Jeph Loeb** had the vision to bring "Marvel Street-Level Heroes" to streaming. Unfortunately, Disney Marvel just pump out mediocre superheroes tv shows with the nebulous promise that it’s all related to a future film. Pixar’s biggest IP, *Toy Story* predates acquisition Disney. Pixar was initially a breath of fresh air in animation with films like Toy Story, Finding Nemo and *Incredibles.* Now Disney are running Toy Story into the ground, and I’m sure there’s a mediocre Incredibles 3 in the pipeline. *TLDR:* Disney are fine when they allow creatives with commercial awareness to deliver on their vision. But eventually they take something iconic and run it to the ground by focusing on quantity instead of quality.
Park it for 5-10 years. No tv no movies. Do books, do comics because they're niche and won't be seen by anyone but the hardcore. Then come back but don't include past characters.
No thanks, Disney just needs to stop mining the Star Wars stories from the Lucas era. Make new characters, with new stories. So do stories of romance, more adult theme stories like Andor. New Jedi and new dark side users, maybe Sith or something new. Also, new threats, new villains, etc. Mando was a great start and it brought in a lot of new eyes to Star Wars. Keep telling stories like that.
this time i really don't mind the multiverse cop out erase the sequel trilogy, start fresh cast the same actor, make it all women, black , hispanic, muslim, trans, i don't care, but this time have a plan for a story
If anything Rey should of been daughter of an evil Luke clone (cloned from his hand) that would of explain connection to lightsaber, connection to Leia etc and the big bad at end been the Luke clone
It flat out needs to end. Nothing they make will even come close to the historical and cultural significance of the original trilogy and they never will. Give up Disney, you're chasing an impossible dream!!!
The SW universe is NOT vast. It got shrunk by Disney when they torched the expanded universe. Go watch season 2 of wheel of time. The show is hit and miss still, but one thing that comes out is that the universe has deep lore and with myriards of culture.
@@realityshifter3399 I was around when Heir to the Empire came out. Yes it was canon. It was marketed that way at the time. This is a fact. The Thrawn trilogy is the one who introduced fundamental Star Wars staples like Coruscant. Lucas repurposed quite a bit from the Zahn trilogy when he did the special editions and the prequels.
@@realityshifter3399 That is what Lucas said WAY later, after he had retconned a bunch of stuff to fit with his shitty prequels. But you'll notice that Lucas is highly inconsistent in his comments on the SW lore. Over the years, he kept flipping around and contradicting himself about how many episodes he had planned or wrote, when an idea came up, etc. The fact is lucasfilm marketed the Thrawn trilogy as canon when it came out. It remained that way until some what was in the EU became inconvenient for Lucas' prequels. Also, if the standard to determine what is canon is based on Lucas, noneof the Disney movies/shows are canon. So your point is moot. In any case this is all beside the point. My point was that for decades the deep lore and history of SW came from the EU. The 'vastness' of the SW universe that Campea was refering to in his vid didn't really come from Lucas all that much (for example, the timeline of the galaxy's history never came from Lucas; he is not a worldbuilderl). Most of the lore got fleshed out in the EU. So torching the EU like Disney did is quite stupid since all you are doing is cutting yourself from the 'vastness' of the universe and the many story path it holds. Another example of EU canon that Lucas drew on: Kashyyyk, the planet of the Wookies that we see in the prequels. Yep, it came from the EU...
@@realityshifter3399 I literally quoted the back of the book sold in 1991 calling it "the continuation of the Luke, Leia and Han story", "authorized by Lucasfilm". What more do you need? Did you see it?
@@realityshifter3399 Ignoring the quote again? Here are a couple of other quotes, for good measure: "Canon -- confusing sometimes. Basically, everything except those items marked with an "Infinity" logo (i.e. the Star Wars Tales comics) is considered canon. There is a hierarchy -- the movies, novelizations, radio dramas come first. Then everything else. If something in a novelization contradicts the movies, then we defer to the movies. IE, the ROJ novelization says that Obi-Wan and Owen Lars were brothers. This wasn't in the movie, and has since been discounted. Maybe it was a cover they used at one point... who knows." Sue Rostoni, Lucasfilm "The concept of an Expanded Universe certainly isn't unique to Star Wars. Many popular genre properties, from Star Trek to Alien, release spin-off tales that shed light on events not seen in the "official" narrative. But the Star Wars EU is unique in both in its size and in the care with which its narrative is shepherded and organized. In Star Wars, the Expanded Universe is official, albeit on a slightly lower level - sometimes called C-canon - than the absolute authority of the six Star Wars films." Daniel Wallace, "The Essential Expanded Universe", Star Wars Insider 101, May 6, 2008. Again, if we apply your standard, nothing is canon except the Lucas' 6 films. And then, you somehow switch standard when Disney comes on board, where suddenly everything becomes canon for you. Don't you realize that the Disney movie also contradict the Disney books essentially in the same way that the Lucas movies sometime contradicted the EU books. Basically, nothing has changed in terms of canon hierarchy. Disney just decided to scrap the old lore, so they can sell you new books/comics and other contents (that they fully own).
So on AHSOKA Instead of ewoks and jar jars, we get SNAILS and SPERM WHALES!!! The gaping plot holes: For a super villain, how does thrawn not ever find ezra until this show? why does ahsoka not finish the fight? why do they always need creatures for travel by land? how is it even possible that sabine can locate ezra so easily? there are no consequences in this show, nobody dies everyone gets a trophy yay!!! IT'S THE WRITING!!! they need GEORGE RR MARTIN
I checked out of Star Wars when Luke appeared in the Mandalorian. It was terrible - I never want to see an original trilogy character again. I also hate hate the Jedi. They’re tired and boring. It’s a war story - there’s millions of stories out there. I do not need to see the same old tired characters, nor the hundredth last forgotten Jedi. Give us original stuff.
Star wars is creatively bankrupt. Throw it in the trash. There is maybe 2 good movies in the whole franchise. Crazy how a massive universe somehow revolves around like 3 people over a 40 year period.
I don't care what your opinion is if you thought only 2 Star Wars movies were good lol You can just say you're not a fan lol, but it's popular for a reason, you can't explain what to change if you don't love what it is
@@BreMue maybe you could expect more than half assed disney garbage. Or I guess you could just eat your slopp and say thank you disney. More slopp please.
Stop producing Starwars related shows or movies for a decade. Hope everybody forgets everything that happened under Disney. Or have an episode or a movie with time travel or multiverse BS and reset everything😂
Project Necromancer, name dropped in The Mandalorian, is definitely about resurrecting/cloning Sheeve Palpatine to be the true ruler of the galaxy. They are absolutely bridging the gap between Return of the Jedi and Force Awakens with the Favreau and Filoni shows.
The new galaxy. The witches of Dathomir.
Yeah, the boomers don't get it.
Another thing Star Wars needs to do or rather not do.
Do not listen to the fans who do nothing but whine and complain.
Tbh I’d say point 1 is exactly what’s happening rn with Filoni’s stuff at bare minimum. It’s all very obvious what it’s leading to; a canon and very loose adaptation of the Heir to the Empire. Thrawn will escape the galaxy with Peridea, he’ll unite the Imperial Remnants, and it’ll be this big crossover event with all the Mando era characters
1. Make Dave Fioloni the creative head.
2. Make Dave Fioloni the creative head.
3.Make Dave Fioloni the creative head.
4.Make Dave Fioloni the creative head.
5.Make Dave Fioloni the creative head.
Isn't he? Didn't he quietly get promoted to chief creative head?
He still answers to KK and she has her input. He needs full creative control over the whole universe and the direction of the franchise.
God no
I’m almost 50 and when I say or hear STAR WARS I think of Chewbacca, Darth Vader, The Millennium Falcon, Luke, Han, Leia, Jabba the Hutt etc. If Disney does a survey with kids (15 and younger) and ask them “What do you think of when you hear and say STAR WARS?” And their response is Kylo, Rey, Mandalorian, Baby Yoda, Inquisitors, Finn, BB-8, Moff Gideon then Disney is doing exactly what they planned to do. Disney SW is not for the older crowd it’s for the kids. Let them watch and enjoy. Pick what they love about it (maybe young Leia or Reva). We older folks of the OT and PT had our turn and we all just need to “Move along”.
I understand you I was in my teens when the Sequels started. With that being said I love the prequels the most.
The High Republic is about 300 years before the movies. It’s all completely new characters and not remotely tied into the saga. Some of the books would be awesome movies and this group of authors actually do have a plan. These are all interconnected stories.
John's remark about Yoda isn't really true as well. Yes he's alive in this time period but they've been keeping him out of the stories as much as possible.
If those stories can't sell books then they won't sell movies. They tried to creates a KOTOR and change the name. It didn't work. That ship has sailed.
@@fateagle4lifeStar Wars has never been a big literary franchise, it’s a movie franchise. Whether they sell or not has no bearing on whether they’d make a good movie. The books could be the greatest Star Wars story ever told and they still wouldn’t sell in huge amounts as Star Wars fans don’t gravitate to the books or the animated shows or the comics, they want movies.
I’m not saying that they should or shouldn’t adapt High Republic stuff but John’s reason for dismissing it was incorrect.
Tatooine is genuinely my favourite planet 😂😂 can’t wait to go there on Outlaws.
Me too I love Tatooine as well lol
i always wanted to see the old republic era. all the glimpses for that time looks so good. i would curious what it was like when it was a bunch of jedi and sith
People out here talking about how Star Wars is dead or dying.
Meanwhile, Star Wars is more culturally relevant and is being talked about WAY more than it was during the nearly twenty years between the end of the OT and the introduction of the prequels.
Yes; much of the newest material is kind of trashy, but that doesn’t negate the stuff that came out before. And there’s some good stuff mixed in with the trash.
Back in what some refer to as “The Dark Times,” when Star Wars content consisted primarily of novels and comics (and a couple of made-for-tv Ewok movies thrown in), fans were faced with media of wildly varying quality. And they did what any rational people would do: The celebrated the stuff they liked, and moved past the stuff that they didn’t.
This approach worked back then, and it works now. The only difference is that there’s way more stuff to choose from now than there was then.
I remember the late 80s and early 90s. The only thing going on in Star Wars was the WEG Roleplaying Game. That was it. No other media of any kind.
The Old Republic is just sitting their ripe for adaptation without any ties to current legacy characters.
Ashoka has been great so far other than the lightsaber stab scene in the first episode.
Originality and planning
Tell you what, I was in the Lucasfilm panel at Star wars celebration Europe in London, and the reception for the new Rey movie was muted. No appetite for it.
I'd say just move forward 100 years and let Filoni do a new trilogy. Like Knights of the New Republic or something.
i think the sequel trilogy did a lot of harm to the star wars brand that maybe irreversible to recover from especially with a huge chunk of the fandom who loved or liked the original trilogy and even those who grew up on the prequels
how they treated the character arcs and history of beloved individuals like luke, leia, han, and anakin ... even a certain extent obi wan after his series wasn't received well by most ... that pissed off a lot of fans and probably a good number of them have given up on the stars wars as a whole to be honest
if the sequel trilogy had been successful by having a legit plan and didn't "disrespect" the core characters of this film universe from the first six movies, i think there would be a ton of excitement for non skywalker star wars films in the future ... not sure that's the case now and going forward
i think the skywalkers were star wars for a lot of fans and to see what happened to those characters in the sequels angered so many to the point where i believe many fans who supported star was for 20, 30, or even 40 years have given up on the franchise as they didn't like what happened over the last 5-6 years really ever since after the force awakens and definitely are not thrilled with the way they view how this franchise is being handled and where this universe is heading from a creative standpoint
if disney or kennedy thought they could get by or do without the die hard star wars fans who have been supporting this franchise for decades and they could be replaced by newer and younger fans who liked or grew up on these sequels films ... imo they're in for a rude awakening in the future
Dave Filoni x 5
I'd like to express my respectful disagreement with your viewpoint on moving away from the Skywalker storyline. The prospect of advancing the storyline by a significant span, whether it be 10, 20, or an ambitious 100 years or more, presents an exciting opportunity. And so moving beyond Luke, yes I can agree. A time leap offers a chance to explore new horizons within the Star Wars universebbeyond the 70s characters.
But, the idea of maintaining a connection to the illustrious Skywalker bloodline adds a layer of complexity and depth to the narrative, reminiscent of the captivating sagas found in Greek mythology or the intricate histories of noble families, with their lineages stretching across countless generations.
By extending the timeline, we open the door to fresh story arcs, character developments, and unforeseen challenges that can breathe new life into the beloved Star Wars galaxy. This evolution allows us to delve into the legacy of the Skywalkers in a way that pays homage to the rich traditions of epic storytelling, while also forging a path into uncharted territories of creativity and imagination.
Yuuzhan Vong! Yes! Thank you!
@ThePoontangluva Not a fan? Suggestions then?
I agree with point 1.
I partially agree with point 2. A Lando movie could still be great if done right. The Acolyte could be going in a new direction, again if done right. But let’s not forget that going forward currently doesn’t work as well on Star Trek as catering to nostalgia does. Nostalgia also worked extremely well for The Mandalorian, season 1.
I only partially agree with point 3. Rogue One and Andor worked very well without Jedi.
I totally agree with point 4. But isn’t Zack Snyder currently doing that? 😉
I absolutely agree with point 5.
Have a plan? Absolutely! It feels like EVERYTHING wrong with the Sequel Trilogy was down to the complete lack of any sort of coherent overarching plan/storyline. And while we're at it, instead of completely "giving" over these projects to individual writer/directors like Abrams or Johnson or Waititi, who might not cherish specific elements of the Star Wars mythology or care about what's coming next, why not employ a core group of writers to develop the direction of the franchise moving forward and just employ directors-for-hire to film them (like Lucas had for ESB and ROTJ)?
They need to get Sam Witwer and Hayden Christensen together and do the Starkiller storyline. Vader having a secret apprentice is just too entertaining to ignore, and If I’m not mistaken, Starkiller is a major player in the foundation of the Rebel Alliance and thus, a pretty important character in the cannon, and it would be stupid not to tap into something that fans really, really want to see.
I think they should adapt The Force Unleashed as well, but it probably can’t be canon if they’re gonna tell it exactly how the game was, cause Starkiller really was too powerful. He was whooping Vader ass 😂 If they do make it canon however he would have to be killed off like in the game, and not adapt that second one. Trust me I want that too… but it’s tricky!
They also need proper fight choreographers, action directors and train the actors prior to shooting the film/show like what they did for The Matrix 1-3. Lightsaber fights are one of the main draws of this franchise, but they're still moving like it's the 70s and 80s in the live action content.
Even if the story's bad, you can still scrape by if you have great fight scenes.
People slammed the heck out of the writing in the prequel trilogy, Matrix 2 & 3, John Wick 2-4 etc. but they enjoyed the heck out of the action in the movies. Great action scenes will work wonders.
Matrix 3's attack on Zion is still my favorite sci-fi war sequence.
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People always want so much to happen in each episode. What's with the desire for such fast pacing? It is usually a disaster. It's a cardinal rule in writing a narrative: if you know for sure where your story is going, then take your time to get there. Take your reader on a journey. Rushed narratives, especially for television, are usually a disaster. Remember seasons 7 and 8 of GOT? The best series take their time to unfold over seasons, not a season. This was a magical episode and truly felt like Star Wars being reborn with Ahsoka's character development.
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They're not great but they're still good. I don't need a lightsaber duel where they're just spinning blades like idiots all day. Makes them not look like warriors but typical nerds who think flashy moves equals a real fight. A real duel is slow, precise and doesn't require gazillion spins. I loved the prequel fights but some of the movements were just soectale and nor substance. This incorporates some flashiness but precise cutting and stabbing movements. This incorporates some flashiness but precise cutting and stabbing movements.
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@Thiago_Alves_Souza Please look at the Duel of Fates in EP1 or even the final fight between Dooku, Obi-wan, Anakin, and Yoda. The only time you ever really see the crazy twirling and such is the final fight between Obi-wan and Anakin in EP 3 and that is cause they were supposed to be using the same lightsaber form to fight each other. It is also a bit laughable you saying a real duel is slow and precise. It is as if you have never watched fencing or even a kendo match. While there is a precision component they are far from being slow. As I said the choreography for the fights in this episode were done very poorly.
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@acescher9011 Kendo is a sport bruh I'm talking real life duels. Read historical manuals about how even European and Asian sword fights took place. Yes I was referring more to episode 3 final fight. I did enjoy Count Dooku a lot because Christopher Lee was a real life fencer and the movements in those are actually comparable to this more than episode 3 Battle of Heroes Watch Episode 1 and 2 duels and watch this one.
The light saber battles in ashoka and the other disney plus star wars shows were better then star wars,empire strikes back and return of jedi and better in the sequel starwars movies as well but in disney plu shows they are better.
Folks have to realized the light saber battles after the empire are combination of prequels and the original star wars. It's the time period etc..
Go to the Old Republic
Adapt the Darth Plagiues novel
Adapt the Darth Bane Trilogy
I'm thinking Acolyte will bring in Plagiues
@@samthesham4684 I have little hope that Plagueis will be done well. His novel is great and that is how I would love it to be adapted.
Tell new stories with new characters. Go to new places.
I never watched Rebels so Ashoka is fantastic to me
Don’t watch it. ..you might wish she died when she should have.
Learn how to both respect the Nostalgia and create Original Content to push the story forward.
#2 *"Today in a galaxy far, far away..."*
I wanted Snoke to be Plagiues.
What?
John they also need to fix what happened in the sequel trilogy otherwise I dont think no matter how good the movies going forward the sour taste will always be there.
What about the sour taste of the prequels?
@@knight4urtv775 I agree with you but it seems most of the fan base don't and even prefer those over the The original trilogy.
@@DarthKilaj85 that's crazy if true (don't follow other Star Wars fan too much myself)
@@knight4urtv775 I am sure it's true with how many fans hate the sequels and what they did with them I think the best thing to do is retcon them fully and that can be done easily if it's done the right way.
@erikhopkins9548 regardless of what people think of those movies they're not reckoning them, especially with the Rey movie in the works
John salty AF lately
how? someone asked a question and he answered
Instead of including the Jedi….Star Wars needs to be about THE FORCE…that’s what makes it unique and it’s own thing….lightsabers are cool and Jedi are cool , but it’s the idea of the force and destiny and all that that makes Star Wars what it is
I know a lot of people that have given up on this IP. It’s a real shame what Disney has done with it 😞
they are a minority though, so its fine
For me it's become less accessible to the casual viewer, I mean they say Star Trek is confusing with 3 Time periods (SNW, (Lower Decks/Picard) & Discovery) but with Star wars there is
Acolyte (pre Episode 1)
Obi Wan (post Episode 3)
Andor(Pre Episode 4)
Mando(post Episode 6)
ReyShow(post Episode 9)
I have no idea whe Asoka is set as I thought it spun of Mando which has jedi Luke but I see screenshots of Anakin which would be pre Episode 3, add to this the Rebels back story I have no idea about, I am completely lost.
With the MCU Evey series and movie is a starting point that assumes no prerequisite knowledge, Star Wars need to do this or make recap shows like Game of thrones used to.
The very mistake with Star Wars is that they are trying so hard to keep telling sotries about it while they should just stop and leave the legacy alone.
#6) slow down your star wars roll outs aka don't over saturate the franchise.
I’m not sure John actually likes Star Wars, I think he thinks he likes Star Wars. Cuz he either doesn’t like or isn’t interested in half or almost half of all the Star Wars movies and shows.
I hope that changes for him :/ cuz I think he used to like it
John also doesn't have kids and a lot of newer Disney stuff is focused in the direction of children. He may have a desk full of toys, but he is not himself a child either, so some of it just won't work for his adult lens of imagination.
Ive enjoyed the TV side more than the Movie side and I think it works better in that medium.
Half of Lucas’ SW films were literally prequels.
The Last Jedi made us realise there wasn’t really a plan but it could have all been easily been salvaged if they had just followed the story beats set up by it. The only thing I truly dislike in the sequel trilogy is Palpatine being back
@cyberpup2246 I’m glad you know your stuff. Iv told countless people about hermit Luke bring George’s idea and have just got loads of hate for it 😂😂
i remember at the time marvel were getting a lot of flack for not letting their directors use their vision on films which is why Edgar Write left ant man. Lucasfilm didn’t want that to be a thing so let their directors do what they wanted. Unfortunately it kind of back fired.
I will always be a TFA and TLJ defender tho. Really enjoy those films
star wars vs star trek in the mcu today now yes 🤩🤩🤩
Include the Jedi? Yes - but with some caveats; I still think there's plenty of scope for stories that don't include the Jedi - but it's also clear that the Jedi are in many ways, Star Wars' USP and should be a huge part of the direction forward. But I will say this - and people are free to disagree with me on it: the Jedi (as we know them) are kind of boring and could do with freshening-up. The whole concept of them being super-serious, super-thoughtful, CELIBATE warrior-monks doesn't exactly make for endless, fun storytelling opportunities and there's going to come a time when lightsabre duels lose their appeal. If you like your Jedi all serious and orthodox, then there is plenty of scope to make stories about them that are set before the Prequel Trilogy. But if the next movie is about Rey setting up a new Jedi Academy and trying to carry-on the old Jedi ways, then I think it will be a mistake. Why show us what happens to Force-users when they are NOT forced to adhere to the old Jedi dogma - or even maybe change the nature of the Force in some way, so that Jedi have different powers?
Retconning the sequel trilogy is what they should do lol
The old republic : the rule of 2
Totally agree, only way Star Wars can grow is to move beyond the Skywalker era. How many Vader stories do we have to read again (mostly comics). We need new stories, romance, small scale events that affects maybe one town, one planet not the entire universe. AND NO MORE bringing people back to life!!! Bringing back Maul was the mistake that brought us zombie Palpatine. I know a lot teens want Ben Solo back, but please Disney DON"T! Let the dead RIP.
Yea I’m tired of the lore always going back to the skywalkers. The galaxy is huge and we always go to the same 3 places with the same people.
The prequels created all the problems, and every subsequent (major) issue is derivative from them. They need separate from that perspective, that view of the Jedi, and that mythology if they want to find something that resonates with the human condition again.
I think you fail to understand that George Lucas isn’t there anymore and most of the people at Lucasfilm just don’t know what Star Wars is anymore.
Fans have been asking for them to move forward especially with the sequels and all they did was retell the original trilogy all over again with new characters.
There is no imagination whatsoever. They don’t want to tell Old Republic stories because they think they can do better with the High Republic.
The challenge isn't knowing what star wars is, but finding the balance of hitting the check boxes of the diverse tastes fans have all while trying to tell a cohesive story. This is what Filoni does well: weaving in space battles, weird creatures, high fantasy, Jedi action, force lore, and fan service.
The writing of the sequel trilogy is so odd. The first order just kind of takes over at the start of episode 8 and then they just disappear at the end of episode 9. Luke is acting like obiwan while palpatine is still acting like himself even though snoke has been running things. The final scene has just rey, luke, and leiah together even though rey wanted to make up with her parents, and luke and leiah wanted to make up with kylo.
number 1: Use world between worlds to keep Luke Skywalker from losing hope and exiling himself..... preferably keep Ben from turning, he could then have a younger brother and use Rey in place of what was the twin sister in the legends books.. then eventually turning to the dark side to try and keep rey from dying and eventually being redeemed at the end like his grandfather.... and then move forward from there .
No 😂
I can’t help but think that too much of what makes Star Wars Star Wars is rooted in the old serials that inspired George. There was next to no swashbuckling in the sequel trilogy, for example.
Anybody having the force is a silly idea.
That’s what we all said in ‘99 but it’s George’s story. That’s what he said so we just have to go with it haha
Put the WARS on Star Wars
i still think making rey a palpatine made her more interesting. You don't see any family relationship with obiwan, windu, dooku, yoda, and so on. So for me making rey related to someone made her stand out from the crowd.
It ruined her character development though.
They simply just have to move forward. I’m absolutely done watching prequels.
I'm pretty much over Jedi. I don't mind The Force as a focus, but lets see how other beings are able to use it and what it does to others. I don't mind living in the past if we get shows like Andor. It's like looking at a piece of history. The Guardian of the Whills or whatever Chirrut was was interesting to me. How does the Force percolate though the galaxy?
Agreed, lets get a sith based movie where we learn about how they came to be.
@@snowstorm209 is that what Acolyte is suppose to be?
You couldn’t be more wrong …moving on is what created this mess…they were years of stories for new movies concerning our original hero’s but they dropped the ball and moved the story years in the future. Recast already. Stop thinking Mark hamil or Harrison ford can’t be replaced . I don’t see you asking for marvel or Dc to move on from Superman or Spider-Man? If you move forward away from the original story it ceases to be Star Wars it becomes something else entirely as to why we have now and I’m sorry …but it lacks the magic and you know it!
Moving on isn't the problem. Moving on with no plan is the problem.
@@SuperRamos619 well of course it always drops back to the writing …always . But Star Wars without Luke Skywalker has been Crap
one thing that would be much appreciated is if they didn’t set everything in the same time period. It’s either post episode 3 or after return of the jedi. Nothing has been set in the prequel era nor did anyone bother making a show or movie or game closer to the sequel era. If they did that maybe they could actually improve on that time period like how clone wars increased interest in the prequel era. If everything is set in the same time period a lot of content feels quite samey. Also it’s crazy that that many of the new characters are simply not that interesting except for mando and cal kestis. I’d love it if Cal was actually in a show or a movie. I don’t know what they’ll do though for the third game. The obvious choice is to kill off cal but that seems very predictable at this point.
I would like a mix of content. New characters but there is also a lot of stories they could tell with the characters we have already come to love, as well
New stories but in the past 25,000 years in the past. Knights of the Old Republic, Darth bane trilogy?
Asokha is addressing some of these concerns, they just need to move forward in the movies
Stop going backwards in time unless you go waaaay back to the old republic. Make good movies and shows that run for at least an hr per episode on at least game of thrones quality. Disney needs to sell the property really. I dont think they have what it takes to salvage it... unless the new head honcho has supreme vision
It might be the streaming model precludes shows with inherently bug budgets from doing just that. Lucafilm would go broke making $300M shows with no return. Whereas a Rey movie may make $1B in a few weeks.
Reboot Star Wars. Only hope. Story lost.
Mainstream audiences have lost interest in the franchise, so you need to cast top tier A-list actors to attract regular people back to it. Maybe casting Denzil Washington as an older Finn, Brad Pitt, Keano Reeves, Matt Damon, Michael B Jordan, Will Smith, Bale or Di Caprio who have all said they are huge Star Wars fans growing up and would love to be in a Star Wars film. A big all star ensemble would create buzz and get interest in this dying franchise.
Real representation not tokenism. Where there are powerful characters of colours who are not just side characters not doing anything cool. Star Wars has very low interest with people of colour in general because it is viewed as white people franchise because it is story based on Asian culture and religion but all the important story characters are white or white passing. It is 2023, you are not going to be a massive hit without people of colour being interested. Let’s have some lead Jedis who aren’t white for once. When Star Wars has massive following among alt right groups because they feel it guarantees white heroes, that tells you something about the lack of real representation in the franchise.
Stop focusing on the nostalgia of the original movies and just let the skywalkers die. That tactic has been overused. Star Wars is meant to be a Galaxy, it feels like a single block with the same characters turning up in every show.
Age up with your audience. There are several generations of adult Star Wars fans who have more mature tastes, make more adult Star Wars content and less kid focused movies. The kids will have the older movies and cartoons to watch, if they want to make money they need to stop adults not caring about Star Wars and make movies and shows aimed at them. I think Andor ruined Mandalorian because once we saw what an grown up Star Wars looked like it was difficult to get back into the kids stuff again.
Plan and write compelling stories and movies. Stop with nostalgia play of the old trilogy or the Filoni universe that regular people have zero interest in. Follow all these steps and Stars will stop being a dead franchise
That's changed with shows and movies already and the shows have important stories as well leading up to the a movie.Rey is a women lead,yes she white but look at the complains about her,she is not white man.
The complaning from the geeks and gamers crowd is that most of star wars is not being lead by white men these days.
Even lando now is getting a movie and for the new upcoming movies for most we don't know what types will lead except upcoming movie,the rey one.
The live action shows still get high ratings as well and it franchise is not look at has white franchise,so stop with the race thing.
Star wars has changed and changing more with more upcoming women and poc main lead representation,so no tokenism is happening.
The thing that made the Jedi interesting in the original trilogy is that they were a mystery, then the prequels came along and just vomited every little secret about them all over the screen for 7 hours and the jedi became instantly less interesting... Star Wars is better the fewer force users there are!
Nope, the more the better
I said it before and I'll say it again, STAR WARS can't move forward until Lucasfilm/Disney fixes the mistakes that they made with the sequel trilogy by either (a) retconning parts of or adding new info to those films to reveal that things weren't what we thought or (b) make the sequel trilogy non cannon with no explanation and then remake the sequel trilogy using Lucas's original planned story and by casting younger actors in the roles of Luke,Han,Leia,and Lando. This isn't rocket science.
I see option A as a possibility.
Option B, I wouldn't put my money on that. I say that because someone will say Disney has no integrity or their weak for sweeping the sequels under the rug. For example, whenever Disney tries to hide moments from their past, the movie Song of the South to name one, people call them out on it.
Irony is, Star Wars universe is very small and limited, thats why they cant go forward
@@jloiben12 Ok, so tell me Star Wars story that isnt about Skywalker time period or doesnt involve Jedi vs Sith theme? Im not ironic, im genuinely interested.
They need to have Dylan Mulvaney have a leading role in a Star Wars movie….
They need to go back to making movies. If it's true that Filoni's Heir to the Empire is meant to be an Avengers Endgame level climax to this arc it's going to disappoint Disney in a major way when half the audience has no idea what's going on. They need to start and finish a new, good cinematic story that isn't tied down to references or sequels.
@Jon-eh1yw You're the only one seeing drama here, 'kid'. It's going to disappoint because those people will watch the trailer and not know what's going on, read that they have to see at least 5 different shows to enjoy it, and then not spend their money to see it. Then the word of mouth will get out about it being a TV movie and it'll have a pretty large drop off after opening weekend. It's not dramatic, it's just the most likely scenario. Especially when they already see Solo's 400 million dollars as a major disappointment.
@Jon-eh1yw Huh? Is this just your way of saying it's too long for your attention span? It's really not that deep lmao read it or move on
@Jon-eh1yw ?
Take a deep breath man. More likely I'll just ignore you if you keep replying without anything interesting to talk about.
@Jon-eh1yw alright bud, hope you liked the attention have a good day
While I don’t entirely disagree that we should do some new stories with new characters. I’ll say again, why are DC allowed to make endless movies with Batman and the same band of villains used over and over? Why can Marvel make endless movies with Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk etc? No one ever tells them to move on. Why should Star Wars move on from their iconic characters?
# 1 thing retcon the sequel trilogy. They ruined the skywalker storyline.
star wars vs star trek in the mcu today now yes 🤩🤩🤩🤩
Declare the sequels non-canon
@@Optimus-Prime-RibNo chance in hell. And barely anyone hates the prequels that much anymore.
@@Predatorwarrior18 i'm not a fan of the prequels but I think a lot of good merchandise came out of them. I can't really say I've seen good merchandise based on the disney films.
“Tell new stories”
Goes on to only mention already know locations and characters.
Thank the fates he is never involved in planning Star Wars.
Almost complete nonsense
Marvel, Pixar, Star Wars and all the original animated films were good to iconic. Disney ran these great IPs into the ground. I’m just thankful they’re sticking to ruining American films. I doubt new management will change anything.
jimkellysafro I’m not the biggest fan of Disney as a company overall but we have to give credit where it’s due. Disney has owned Marvel since 2009, so they ARE heavily responsible for the success of the Infinity Saga
@@rileyribble6733and then they ran it to the ground. Disney is fine when they cede power to people with creative vision like George Lucas or Kevin Feige. Unfortunately, the *”suits” start to push for quantity over quality* and things go to shit. With Star Wars they’re going to milk the characters from the original trilogy until it’s a joke.
I wasn’t the biggest fan of the Star Wars prequel trilogy but George Lucas’ creative vision held those films together. In contrast, with the *recent Star Wars Sequels* we have JJ Abraham for films 1 and 3 and Rian Johnson for film 2 with “suit” Kathleen Kennedy as the consistent presence across all film. That’s the opposite of Warner Brothers who had the foresight to *allow Christopher Nolan to make all three Batman films.*
Netflix Marvel was “water cooler” conversation at work. Everyone in my team signed up to Netflix because Daredevil was so good. **Head of Marvel Television and Writer Jeph Loeb** had the vision to bring "Marvel Street-Level Heroes" to streaming. Unfortunately, Disney Marvel just pump out mediocre superheroes tv shows with the nebulous promise that it’s all related to a future film.
Pixar’s biggest IP, *Toy Story* predates acquisition Disney. Pixar was initially a breath of fresh air in animation with films like Toy Story, Finding Nemo and *Incredibles.* Now Disney are running Toy Story into the ground, and I’m sure there’s a mediocre Incredibles 3 in the pipeline.
*TLDR:* Disney are fine when they allow creatives with commercial awareness to deliver on their vision. But eventually they take something iconic and run it to the ground by focusing on quantity instead of quality.
Park it for 5-10 years. No tv no movies. Do books, do comics because they're niche and won't be seen by anyone but the hardcore. Then come back but don't include past characters.
No thanks, Disney just needs to stop mining the Star Wars stories from the Lucas era. Make new characters, with new stories. So do stories of romance, more adult theme stories like Andor. New Jedi and new dark side users, maybe Sith or something new. Also, new threats, new villains, etc. Mando was a great start and it brought in a lot of new eyes to Star Wars. Keep telling stories like that.
this time i really don't mind the multiverse cop out
erase the sequel trilogy, start fresh
cast the same actor, make it all women, black , hispanic, muslim, trans, i don't care, but this time have a plan for a story
If anything Rey should of been daughter of an evil Luke clone (cloned from his hand) that would of explain connection to lightsaber, connection to Leia etc and the big bad at end been the Luke clone
I’m going to have AI write that script
Noooo 😂😂
Retcon the sequels
It flat out needs to end. Nothing they make will even come close to the historical and cultural significance of the original trilogy and they never will. Give up Disney, you're chasing an impossible dream!!!
The SW universe is NOT vast. It got shrunk by Disney when they torched the expanded universe.
Go watch season 2 of wheel of time. The show is hit and miss still, but one thing that comes out is that the universe has deep lore and with myriards of culture.
@@realityshifter3399 I was around when Heir to the Empire came out. Yes it was canon. It was marketed that way at the time. This is a fact.
The Thrawn trilogy is the one who introduced fundamental Star Wars staples like Coruscant. Lucas repurposed quite a bit from the Zahn trilogy when he did the special editions and the prequels.
@@realityshifter3399 That is what Lucas said WAY later, after he had retconned a bunch of stuff to fit with his shitty prequels. But you'll notice that Lucas is highly inconsistent in his comments on the SW lore. Over the years, he kept flipping around and contradicting himself about how many episodes he had planned or wrote, when an idea came up, etc.
The fact is lucasfilm marketed the Thrawn trilogy as canon when it came out. It remained that way until some what was in the EU became inconvenient for Lucas' prequels.
Also, if the standard to determine what is canon is based on Lucas, noneof the Disney movies/shows are canon. So your point is moot.
In any case this is all beside the point.
My point was that for decades the deep lore and history of SW came from the EU. The 'vastness' of the SW universe that Campea was refering to in his vid didn't really come from Lucas all that much (for example, the timeline of the galaxy's history never came from Lucas; he is not a worldbuilderl). Most of the lore got fleshed out in the EU.
So torching the EU like Disney did is quite stupid since all you are doing is cutting yourself from the 'vastness' of the universe and the many story path it holds.
Another example of EU canon that Lucas drew on: Kashyyyk, the planet of the Wookies that we see in the prequels. Yep, it came from the EU...
@@realityshifter3399 You got a quote proving you wrong. You should have the maturity to admit it.
@@realityshifter3399 I literally quoted the back of the book sold in 1991 calling it "the continuation of the Luke, Leia and Han story", "authorized by Lucasfilm". What more do you need? Did you see it?
@@realityshifter3399 Ignoring the quote again?
Here are a couple of other quotes, for good measure:
"Canon -- confusing sometimes. Basically, everything except those items marked with an "Infinity" logo (i.e. the Star Wars Tales comics) is considered canon. There is a hierarchy -- the movies, novelizations, radio dramas come first. Then everything else. If something in a novelization contradicts the movies, then we defer to the movies. IE, the ROJ novelization says that Obi-Wan and Owen Lars were brothers. This wasn't in the movie, and has since been discounted. Maybe it was a cover they used at one point... who knows." Sue Rostoni, Lucasfilm
"The concept of an Expanded Universe certainly isn't unique to Star Wars. Many popular genre properties, from Star Trek to Alien, release spin-off tales that shed light on events not seen in the "official" narrative. But the Star Wars EU is unique in both in its size and in the care with which its narrative is shepherded and organized. In Star Wars, the Expanded Universe is official, albeit on a slightly lower level - sometimes called C-canon - than the absolute authority of the six Star Wars films." Daniel Wallace, "The Essential Expanded Universe", Star Wars Insider 101, May 6, 2008.
Again, if we apply your standard, nothing is canon except the Lucas' 6 films. And then, you somehow switch standard when Disney comes on board, where suddenly everything becomes canon for you.
Don't you realize that the Disney movie also contradict the Disney books essentially in the same way that the Lucas movies sometime contradicted the EU books. Basically, nothing has changed in terms of canon hierarchy. Disney just decided to scrap the old lore, so they can sell you new books/comics and other contents (that they fully own).
So on AHSOKA
Instead of ewoks and jar jars, we get SNAILS and SPERM WHALES!!! The gaping plot holes:
For a super villain, how does thrawn not ever find ezra until this show?
why does ahsoka not finish the fight?
why do they always need creatures for travel by land?
how is it even possible that sabine can locate ezra so easily?
there are no consequences in this show, nobody dies everyone gets a trophy yay!!!
IT'S THE WRITING!!! they need GEORGE RR MARTIN
I checked out of Star Wars when Luke appeared in the Mandalorian. It was terrible - I never want to see an original trilogy character again. I also hate hate the Jedi. They’re tired and boring. It’s a war story - there’s millions of stories out there. I do not need to see the same old tired characters, nor the hundredth last forgotten Jedi. Give us original stuff.
Star wars is creatively bankrupt. Throw it in the trash. There is maybe 2 good movies in the whole franchise. Crazy how a massive universe somehow revolves around like 3 people over a 40 year period.
I don't care what your opinion is if you thought only 2 Star Wars movies were good lol
You can just say you're not a fan lol, but it's popular for a reason, you can't explain what to change if you don't love what it is
@@BreMue maybe you could expect more than half assed disney garbage. Or I guess you could just eat your slopp and say thank you disney. More slopp please.
Stop producing Starwars related shows or movies for a decade. Hope everybody forgets everything that happened under Disney. Or have an episode or a movie with time travel or multiverse BS and reset everything😂
Not a bad idea tbh.
star wars vs star trek in the mcu today now yes 🤩🤩🤩🤩
star wars vs star trek in the mcu today now yes 🤩🤩🤩🤩