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FIRST Look! Topaz Photo AI Noise and Sharpening
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- ► Get Topaz Photo AI: www.topazlabs.com/topaz-photo...
► Topaz DeNoise: www.topazlabs.com/denoise-ai/...
📷 Matt's Topaz Deep Dive Course: mattk.com/deep-dive-topaz/
► TIMESTAMPS
00:00 What is Topaz Photo AI
01:50 Raw or No Raw?
04:05 Overview of the app
06:30 Pixel Peep Noise Reduction
09:13 Sharpening and Noise Reduction Pixel Peep
11:18 Upsizing Pixel Peep
12:43 Final Thoughts...
Thanks for this intro, Matt. I am happy that Topaz has put these into one app so I can see the effects of each and choose which works best. I have a batch of very noisy, low light photos that I was about to give up on - but I impressed with my first effort to improve one with Photo AI. Like you, I hope to see it get better and better!
Very, very helpful, Matt. Thank you for your thoughtful, detailed guidance on so many photography issues. I always look to you for the expertise I need.
Thanks for doing this. I think its good to note that Photo AI is basically being updated every few days, so its likely to be better relatively quickly. Its come a long way even in the past few weeks
Thanks so much for this explanation, Matt. You pragmatic approach is priceless!
Always nice to get your perspective on things - Thanks!
Thanks, Matt, a really insightful overview. I've been using the 3 Topaz plugins for years now and been trying Photo AI for a couple of weeks. Looking at the relatively small size of the Photo AI download, I think it is just a wrapper or different UI for the existing suite of tools which probably explains why they can give it free to existing users. I'm with you on the conclusions so far, too. Photo AI is generally quicker overall and the results are pretty much the same as using the individual tools. My usual workflow is to apply DeNoise then Sharpen onto layers in Photoshop as they sometimes greatly improve one part of an image and do horrible things to other parts which need masking out. Just try using Sharpen AI on an airplane with a spinning propeller! My bottom line (so far) is if they started asking for extra money for the Photo AI interface , I'd pass and keep using the individual plug-ins.
I have the three-bundle from Topaz and really like them. I also have gotten the dXo Pure Raw 2 for strictly the RAW files and this all-in-one program so to speak does it all and converts it to a DNG. If needed, further editing can be tweaked in the Topaz bundle. But as you said, this is only if you are pixel-peeping. If one looks at the original size picture even on a 4k 27" monitor, you really have to stretch to see the difference. I love editing pictures as a hobby, so I'm going to use both to see which one evolves to be better. This video made me think - and that's great. Keep up the good work.
Thank you, very interesting comparison and speculation for Topaz. Special thanks for the Photoshop upsizing tip.
I always go to you first to help explore new software and features. You always cover it in such a great way thanks Matt. I own all three individual programs and I’m pretty sure I will stick with the standalones, at least for now.
Happy to help!
Thanks for this informative program.
Thank you very much, Matt. I agree with your idea. I'll give it a try.
Excellent review and tips.
Always welcome your thoughts and opinions. Another great video. Thank You.
Thanks, Matt. I find that 95% of the time on my wildlife shots I use DeNoise and have no need to use Sharpen. DeNoise does a very nice job with sharpening, actually, and I only tend to use Sharpen AI when there is subject blur or the subject is slightly out of focus. So, I think I'd rather have separate plug-ins rather than putting it all into one. My mind might change if Photo AI gives better "tinkering" choices in the future. I'm the kind of person that doesn't like to change when I have something that is working well for me, and the Sharpen AI and DeNoise duo have worked really well for me.
Thanks for this video! I am starting from scratch (nothing purchased yet - will use your link). I think I am mostly looking for denoise and maybe a little sharpening. I'm conflicted on what to get!
As a 45-year software developer now retired, I agree with your assertions at the end about Photo AI's future vs. the stand-alone apps. It's just good practice from a software R&D approach.
Thanks for your honest opinion. I agree with most points. Too me Photo AI still feels a bit unfinished and I sincerely hope the will improve it further very soon. The most needed function is an option to manually correct masking. With regard to the existing apps, Topaz already announced, that the will now be updated less frequently and that their focus is on Photo AI.
Thanks Matt. I have the bundle but share your reservations. For high ISO bird photography I find Denoise is great for noise and reasonable sharpening. Sharpen AI often introduces artifacts and tries too hard in areas that lack texture. When I use Sharpen AI I mask out most of the layer and so it only applies where the image softness needs rescuing
Thanks for sharing this. One question, how does the processing time compare to just using Denoise?
Thanks Matt, always very informative! Question, what is the purpose of Image Resizing that you did in PS and when should you do it? Thanks Dan
I have just bought the Topaz Sharpen and Gigapixel (I already had Denoise) and I got Photo AI for free but I was thinking to myself, should I just use the Photo AI or each individual programme. Then I spotted your RUclips video and you have answered my question perfectly :)
The best thing about this software is having the option to sharpen or not, this is an option that is not available in DxO Pure RAW, I just did a comparison of the two and prefer DxO apart from this issue. Thanks for the video always useful especially re-sizing.
I also have most all photo programs and put an image through all most all the time. But I went back to some of my 2015 Milky Ways that I have re edited over the years with a newer program. First I had to use Lr most or all the time for lens corrections where C1 did not have any especially for unchipped lenses like the Rokinon 14mm f/2.8. And every program has gotten noise reduction with sharpness even good till a year or two ago. I have had all the original Topaz programs through 5daydeals and things got better over time BUT a lot to work with spending many hours to boot on a image like walk away and come back etc.Since Denoise, Sharpen and Gigapixel I use all the time. The key to Photo AI is ALL are in it and you can adjust each like separately AND the output is very fast. As a hobbyist is very cost effective and you get results that Pros pay others to get images good because they are busy out getting images and doing tours. I started with a A7s 12MP low noise camera but all you hear is get more MP's like 50 or 62 or even 100 but after years you learn a 12MP will do a poster size any way. We have been in a digital world for 20+ years and only now has software gotten great meaning it is not the camera or lens but the software that gets a sharp noise free image. I can edit a old 5MP image and it will look like a 100MP pro image, it is why cell phones are doing so great. So Photo AI does it fast and smart in little time that only us old timers of film and early digital could ever dream of. I could get into all the sales hype of sharp wide open lenses and high MP cameras costing many gold teeth, just dust off an old camera or edit a very old image and you will see how spoiled the new photographers are. Topaz has done it and able to use externally of a main program. Matt did a Topaz video of editing using all of Topaz apps from beginning to end and the video was long this video took less than 2 min to show from start to end Photo AI. Remember when PS and Lr each were $800+ and each update also each thanks to C1 now a monthly cost.
I have the 3 bundle and have used Photo AI. At the present, I will continue to use the 3 bundle as it gives me more control.
Topaz has a program called "detail'. I can't get away from using it. The sharpening it does is incredible.
how does it compare to this?
well done
Nice, I've been using AI for weeks now and like it. Maybe you could explain/test out LR's Enhanced vs. PS Image size *2. Also, there's many purists pushing back on AI and not allowing images that used it into competitions.
I've steered away from a Topaz a while and have found Luminar AI an easy way to make my work flow easy and attractive. I batch process dozens and many times hundreds of photos for shadows, highlights, color, adding light to one or more faces in my photos and export them quickly. Luminar has been great. I get my work done super fast and my clients get their photos faster than ever. Is Topaz Photo AI a good alternative? They have what seems like a very good bundle but what I want to know is how fast can I add a number of adjustments and can I batch process lots of photos as good as Luminar? Does the software automatically find faces so I can smooth skin and add light to the faces in a batch? Thanks!
topaz customer service is fantastic
Totally agree about the raw/dng workflow. Topaz and DXO (and other smaller companies I’m sure) just don’t have the expertise or inner workings to convert a raw as well as capture1 or Adobe who have been doing it for much longer and have dedicated teams for such things.
I had installed this but it really messed up my file defaults on my system and also added its name to both jpg and png file formats. So for instance if I was in photoshop and did a save as a jpg it would show under file format TopazAIphotojpg. I had to reset all my image defaults but it still had the weird name issue. I ended up deleting it. Reached out to them and they said it wasn't normal but couldn't help me. Plus since it was an msi install file instead of exe it took a long time to install. Anyone else have any issues similar to mine with changing image defaults or name issue?
I’ve been using all programs for quite a while now and have the same feeling as you have. The separate apps are better, especially mask tweaking, but PAI is faster if you use more than one filter. I also don’t like the RAW conversion, I will keep on using C1. PAI does a really bad colour shift in the orange spectrum when feeding it a RAW file. The program has potential, but they aren’t there yet.
Hey Matt, How about you help covince Topaz that the Enter key should be the same as having to mouse over and click on Apply in all their apps. Huge productivity gain in the work flow.
I recall reading on the Topaz website that they will also continue to provide upgrades to the individual apps. But for how long, that’s the big question.
Thank You, Matt!
FYI: Batch Processing: This the information provided to me by Topaz Technical Support. 9/22/2022
"Hey Mark, Thanks for reaching out. You can batch process in Topaz Photo AI by importing a group of images and clicking Save on the bottom right.
This will have the autopilot analyze and process each image, then save it without requiring your input.
Let me know if that helps and if you have further question about using Topaz Photo AI."
😉
What are the alternatives like perhaps Luminar Neo?
Can you please point out the name of the wildlife editing video you mention?
Hi Matt, I’ve heard about the hurricane .. hope you and your family are safe.
I remember you stating that noise reduction in PS was good enough for you, in the meantime you have for a good reason changed your mind. However, Topaz is not to have for peanuts and putting it into relation to the cost, I will wait until Adobe brings out a better version of their own system. I installed Topaz DeNoise (trial)) a while back and I was rather disappointed. It might have gotten better, eventually I'll try a newer version. Thanks for your educational information. 👍
Here's one way to think about it. If some one said, you could buy a camera for $2000 that ISO 4000 was really noisy. Or for $2150, you could get the same camera, but a slightly better model - where the ISO performance at 4000, looked like 400 instead. So for the extra $150 you got a much better resulting photo - who wouldn't do it? I don't know many people that wouldn't. Just something to think about :-)
@@MattKloskowski Thank you Matt, I have to look at it different ways, my camera(s) are not that good any more, I had to go lighter and changed from two identical full-size to the SonyRX-10M4, an excellent camera without the heavy load of the lenses, but with the disadvantage of noise (small sensor). Maybe Topaz is the only way out. I really enjoy your valuable tutorials, thanks.
I use this regularly and it's great, but I've had to develop a couple of tricks, esp with people in the shot, to get it looking right and not oversmoothed. If you want details let me know
Great presentation, as always! BTW how do you do a 'batch' process in Photo AI? thanks
Hi Mark. I don't think that feature is there.
@@MattKloskowski FYI...I command clicked on multiple images in Lightroom Classic...right clicked and 'edit in Topaz Photo AI..." I made adjustments on individual images over and above AUTO, and some I left on AUTO...Then selected "Save to Adobe Lightroom Classic" and then it 'processed' each individual image and save them back into Lightroom. I also have a support email in to Topaz on the same query and will post the answer when available. Thanks again for getting back to me.
One thing I noticed is that it's back to slow mo when processing Raw files. During the trial versions the app was working pretty quickly and even more so when zoomed in. But now, I notice it takes a long time to process an image. I have a new MacBook Pro with an M1 chip, so it's not the computer. Anyone else notice this longer processing time. I was hoping that this Topaz product would be faster not longer??? Also, totally agree with Matt that if you process the raw files they look funky "too smooth" compared to processing the image via >Photo >Edit In >Edit in Topaz Photo AI.
Did the settings for GPU change on you?
I have a question regarding a specific use of the software. I have a lot of old film negatives I want to scan and I would love to do some upscaling to do large prints. I tried the trial version of Gigapixel AI and I was blown away by what it could do with the faces. To make it look natural I tend to leave a little bit of noise in there so it still retains some of that grain. Can I get a similar result with Photo AI by leaving the noise setting at a lower number? Since the upscaling part of Photo AI doesn't have any setting I'm wondering if the sharpening part of the software can do the work that Gigapixel AI does on its own? I don't want to end up with clean plastic looking faces without any noise. I hope that I'm making sense. Thanks for the video!
Hi. Best suggestion would be to give it a try. I believe you should possibly get a better result with Photo AI but I don’t think anyone could answer that for sure without trying. Thanks.
@@MattKloskowski Thanks for the answer. There's no trial version at the moment, right? Well I guess 30 day refund is kind of like a trial. :-)
I send (by File/Export) the picks to DxO PureRAW2 using the DeepPRIME algorithm. The dng I’ll get back are perfectly processed for use in LrC or directly in Ps (ACR step in between) or Affinity Photo.
Matt; Thanks for the review. I have Topaz AI but my version doesn't have a "Subject Only" section. I went to the Topaz website and couldn't find an upgrade for my version. I'm just wondering what is your version #. Thanks;
Hi. All of their recent (2-3 years) apps plug in to LR and PS. If you’re having trouble I’d contact them and I’m sure they can help.
I have Photo AI as a well as Sharpen, GigaPixel and DeNoise. I do have a minor issue in that after I edit in Photo At (while editing in Lightroom) the resulting tif image does not appear in the Lightroom filmstrip. What does appear is an unedited tif - essentially a copy of the RAW file with Lightroom edits but no Photo AI edits. Permissions have been granted. I’m using a Mac with current OS and updated Adobe software. I’ve contacted Topaz Support and am awaiting a reply.
At what point in your workflow do you do image resize in PS? If you x2 in the image in PS first and come back to LR, you don't have a raw file to edit anymore. I have been using Enhance Details in LR and would like to compare like you did.
Hi David. I usually resize when I’m done and I have a need for it. Resizing isn’t something you really do if you don’t have a need. So if you are upsizing, it’s because something came up (the only reason I can really see is a print) where you needed a large version so do it then. There are no rules for this, so I really do it whenever is convenient in my workflow. Thanks.
@@MattKloskowski Thanks. I was also wondering about this.
hi Matt, when I use it as a Lightroom plugin … saving in Topas I‘m not returned to Lightroom .. I stay in Tapas ? …
Hi. You’ll want to contact Topaz for that.
Hello Matt, how are you able to get the Topaz applications as a plug-in in Lightroom classics. When I sue these apps I would have to send them into Photoshop, then under filter, send it over the the app. Thank you in advance.
Hi. It does it by default. If you don't show it then you should contact Topaz for help. Thanks.
I think they gave it for free because it is a beta, and because it helps them refine their AI models. I have downloaded it but not installed it (yet) because I prefer to have more control (or at least the option to have more control over the settings).
Hi. It’s no longer in beta.
Topaz Photo AI (and for that matter, Gigapixel 6+ as well) over-sharpens for me. I HAVE sharp photos to begin with, and I just want to upscale them without additional sharpening. Gigapixel 5+ worked great this way. The sharpening was relative to the original sharpened photograph. Topaz Photo AI Photo and Gigapixel 6 need to fix this.
Thanks Matt, I really like the new AI my only issue is I find it increases the size of my file, a 23mb file in comes out at 75mb after some noise reduction.
Hi. That happens anytime you take a raw file and save it in some other formats (Tiff, psd).
Thanks Matt, I don't normally save as a .tif so I didn't realize that.
upsizing an image
i always upsize an image in photoshop by 10% at a time until i reach my desired size for print.
i gradually increase dpi first, then increase the heights and widths
I have images printed onto glass for Kitchen Glass Splashbacks, so my images can be 700mm x 3000mm at 300dpi with an average size of 1 - 2 Gb
the printer "always" comments how my images are slightly clearer & sharper than others
its the 10% clearer image that takes and image from "great" to "o-wowwwwww"
very nice tuto. I thought they had merged all features of plugins into photo ai. I use topaz products for 20 years, first with photofxlab interface for lightroom, then they did studio 1 which was nice merging most of their products and made them faster and then stopped supporting studio 1 and made studio 2 which is messy with global presets mixing impression, .... and recently stopped supporting studio1 and 2. they focused only on AI and needed separate plugins for best performances and now, perhaps due to competition with ON1 and Skylum, they come back to a "studio3=photo ai" with reduced features in denoise... in which they will add some "raw enhancements" perhaps to have a better raw development tool. Very confusing. Skylum is also confusing and I wonder if they know where to go changing interface, filters, workflow all the time (Luminar 3, 4, ai, neo). Finally only LRC/ACR, Capture one and ON1 remain consistent always improving product in a very clear track being compatible with the past,... Just sharing personal feeling !
Just what we need… another raw editor ;-)
I believe Topaz has indicated that the individual apps will eventually become obsolete. How long to get there I do not know. Photo AI is definitely going to get the lion share of their development effort.
It’s weird that the bg in that hummingbird pic changed so much.
Why wouldn’t you use gigapixel for upsizing? And it’s weird that photoAI didn’t change more from the standard PS upsize in that last pic. I don’t think you were using the right settings.
Final point, they’re not giving it away for free. Most of us had to pay extra for the current extra year of updates. Putting all the updates into a new package with a new name and then charging for that would be kind’ve an FU to the current customers.
Photo AI is amazing at face recovery for slightly blurry faces...
I shoot RAW but I will continue to exploit Topaz at the end of my workflow.
Still wait for them to support Z9 files ;)
I don’t have gigapixel because you can basically do the same in Lightroom… no freebie for me 😤
Gigapixel has additional capabilities. Not only can you sharpen and apply noise reduction, it recognizes faces and therefore dramatically improves e.g. scanned old family photos. Anthony Morganti did a video on this. For instance, I used it with a 60y old, very small photo the size of 2 stamps with an up-scaling factor of 6 (increasing the total area by 6*6 = 36) and the result is stunning.
I don't think this is something I need. I have the bundle package. If I need to reduce noise or sharpen I'll just use one of those apps.
It's definitely something to at least get used to and follow. My guess is those apps will not be getting much love going forward and all development efforts will go to this.
@@MattKloskowski I'm still probably going to download it while it's free. Might as well take advantage of it. I mostly use topaz labs for heavy stuff and let LR and PS do the light work.
Matt- I don't see how your comparisons are valid. You are using PhotoAI on a separate layer with Denoise and/or Sharpen beneath. That seems to me to have a cumulative effect on the image. Why didn't you turn off the underlying layers in your comparisons and just have show how each program individually operates?
Hi. One layer covers the other since it’s a duplicate of the photo. No part of the underlying layer is visible once the one on top of it is turned on.