I hope that you do not mind prolonging my thoughts here. The thing I find fascinating about Spectralism is that it basically comes to the synthesis table from the complete opposite side in this example. It uses the conventional orchestra as a synthesizer and thus is being set up to "fail", because the "sound generators" are not pure but have their own timbral character. Furthermore there are the limitations of human hearing (nobody is an analysing computer). Through this route one however comes to a similar result to what I am searching for, those sounds inbetween the existing ones I already mentioned. Fascinating stuff and such material has a very pure quality, like the orchestral work of Murail. In spite of all the analysis behind it this comes across to me as being very pure and fundamentaly pleasing. So if it is yet another box it is at least a glorious one! Thanks again for the great video!
@@tarukofusuki There is no objection at all! I intentionally put the words "fail" and "'sound generators" between brackets to indicate one should not take things literal but see these as ironic statements. So if there is any failure it is a glorious one. By misunderstanding that you seem to hav basically turned around the meaning of what I am trying to say. Mus tbe a tranlation issue :-) I especially love synthesizers for all their possibilities and find them a great way to get between the exisiting sounds. An example: My favorite synthesizer is the Technics WSA-1 from 1995. It has been nearly forgotten but I find it's use of samples as impulse generators and DSP filtering to create resonators extremely flexible and exiting. One could say that I try to do with synths what spectralism does with an orchestra, mainly because I cannot afford an orchestra. :-) Please have a listen to my most recent music at: brassee.com/electronicmusic.html
This makes me wonder what he would do with modern tools. His sheet music is basically like a piano roll of a modern DAW. I think he would've loved today's technology. Imagine him working with many of the available electronic tools.
I dont get what is the difference between spectralism and just-intonation microtonal music? do spectralists only orchestrally mimic the timbre of harmonic sounds or do they also try inharmonic things like bells, gongs or even noise?
Spectral music is specifically focused on the timbre of sounds and creating a simulacrum of that sound via orchestration. Then manipulating the velocity of the partials and other things to create music. JI music just uses a different temperament. Also, yes spectral composers base compositions off inharmonic things. Kaija Saariaho based her piece Du cristal... on a tubular bell hit if I remember correctly. Spectral composers even go as far as to simulate things like ring modulation in the orchestra. For me, my struggle with this music is figuring out how composers avoid their music just sounding like an orchestrated harmonic series lol.
@@nicholas72611 Great points, Nicholas. Orchestrated harmonic series are only one of many techniques used by so-called Spectral composers. Many of them play with gradations between harmonicity, inharmonicity and noise, ring-modulation based frequencies, processes, psychoacoustics and perception. I suggest you read Joshua Fineberg's articles on spectral music to learn more.
Here is the table: gabrielbolanos.com/2021/04/07/frequency-table/ It is from Joshua Fineberg's excellent article "Guide to the Basic Concepts and Techniques of Spectral Music." I suggest you google it if you want to dig deeper into this style.
Wow thank you very much! Can I also get the name of the software sphere? Hope I got it right. Couldn't find it in the internet. Would appreciate it if you have a link to download it as well. Thank you very much professor.
thank you so much for this detailed explanation! i've watched all your videos on spectralism and i feel much more informed on the subject.
I hope that you do not mind prolonging my thoughts here. The thing I find fascinating about Spectralism is that it basically comes to the synthesis table from the complete opposite side in this example. It uses the conventional orchestra as a synthesizer and thus is being set up to "fail", because the "sound generators" are not pure but have their own timbral character. Furthermore there are the limitations of human hearing (nobody is an analysing computer). Through this route one however comes to a similar result to what I am searching for, those sounds inbetween the existing ones I already mentioned. Fascinating stuff and such material has a very pure quality, like the orchestral work of Murail. In spite of all the analysis behind it this comes across to me as being very pure and fundamentaly pleasing. So if it is yet another box it is at least a glorious one! Thanks again for the great video!
@@tarukofusuki There is no objection at all! I intentionally put the words "fail" and "'sound generators" between brackets to indicate one should not take things literal but see these as ironic statements. So if there is any failure it is a glorious one. By misunderstanding that you seem to hav basically turned around the meaning of what I am trying to say. Mus tbe a tranlation issue :-) I especially love synthesizers for all their possibilities and find them a great way to get between the exisiting sounds. An example: My favorite synthesizer is the Technics WSA-1 from 1995. It has been nearly forgotten but I find it's use of samples as impulse generators and DSP filtering to create resonators extremely flexible and exiting. One could say that I try to do with synths what spectralism does with an orchestra, mainly because I cannot afford an orchestra. :-) Please have a listen to my most recent music at: brassee.com/electronicmusic.html
@@tarukofusuki I am Dutch! :-)
Wonderful presentation of one of the masterworks of the later 20th century. Any chance you'd do a similar video on Vivier's Lonely Child ?
I love Lonely Child! I'll try to make one soon.
This makes me wonder what he would do with modern tools. His sheet music is basically like a piano roll of a modern DAW. I think he would've loved today's technology. Imagine him working with many of the available electronic tools.
I dont get what is the difference between spectralism and just-intonation microtonal music? do spectralists only orchestrally mimic the timbre of harmonic sounds or do they also try inharmonic things like bells, gongs or even noise?
Spectral music is specifically focused on the timbre of sounds and creating a simulacrum of that sound via orchestration. Then manipulating the velocity of the partials and other things to create music. JI music just uses a different temperament.
Also, yes spectral composers base compositions off inharmonic things. Kaija Saariaho based her piece Du cristal... on a tubular bell hit if I remember correctly. Spectral composers even go as far as to simulate things like ring modulation in the orchestra.
For me, my struggle with this music is figuring out how composers avoid their music just sounding like an orchestrated harmonic series lol.
@@nicholas72611 Great points, Nicholas. Orchestrated harmonic series are only one of many techniques used by so-called Spectral composers. Many of them play with gradations between harmonicity, inharmonicity and noise, ring-modulation based frequencies, processes, psychoacoustics and perception. I suggest you read Joshua Fineberg's articles on spectral music to learn more.
When you say "it has aesthetic and philosophical implications" to what implications do you refer?
Hello. Wonderful lecture. Is it possible for you to give a link on the notation chart of hrtz per note? Thank you
Here is the table: gabrielbolanos.com/2021/04/07/frequency-table/
It is from Joshua Fineberg's excellent article "Guide to the Basic Concepts and Techniques of Spectral Music." I suggest you google it if you want to dig deeper into this style.
Wow thank you very much! Can I also get the name of the software sphere? Hope I got it right. Couldn't find it in the internet. Would appreciate it if you have a link to download it as well. Thank you very much professor.
@@sarrealbrothers9885 the program is called SPEAR: www.klingbeil.com/spear/downloads/
Many many thanks professor!
Great
Thanks