Absolutely based video, got a feel things i’d like to talk about: Blood seems to be more about bonds, duties and stuff like that, though it doesn’t matter much for the cosmology size, doom meanwhile seems related to stuff like failure and sacrifices, which might help with hax discussions I’m not sure what you mean by “every universe has a furthest ring”, the furthest ring is the void between every universe/genesis frog, it is supposedely an all encompassing nothingness referred to by hussie as “the default reality”, it doesn’t change anything tbh, hell it just makes the furthest ring more impressive since it is large Adding to the speed part of it, fighting normally in the furthest ring is not impressive just because it is disconnected from space time, but spacetime inside of it is immensely broken, as in, if you try to time travel there, you might be sent millions of lightyears away, if you try moving in the straight line, you might travel backwards in time, and if you try swatting the air around you, you might slap yourself in the face, aradia even says that in order to properly move there, you need to master time travel and stuff So for other characters that don’t showcase time abilities such as dirk, all the jack noirs, etc to be able to move around the furthest ring and keep up with time players like aradia and dave who are top tier time players, makes a lot of sense Those cracks that lord english put in the furthest ring were affecting the aspects, and he doesn’t need to use his laser to cause them, in the epilogues even without the green sun, he still put a crack in the roof of existence and made shards of potentiality fall around just by roaring pretty loud, and he does it again by wailing in pain too Doing character specific videos is a good idea since some of them like john egbert, caliborn/Lord english, Dirk strinder and Alt calliope are pretty damn insane
@@d0tbat yeah i can see that, i think a way to see it is that the furthest ring is the multiverse since it contains every universe inside of it, as they always refer to the genesis frogs as universes despite being multiverses (probably cuz every timeline is a instance of the universe they embody, like the alternian) And yeah, they don’t add much to direct scaling besides space and time, they are mostly related to hax and stuff
Jake isn't John's dad. Well, genetically he is, but that's because ectobiology means Grandpa Harley is John's genetic father. That's why Jake is, not Dad Egbert.
Jake isn't John's dad even genetically, because John's dad is Jane's son, whom she had with someone else but Jake. So genetically John and his dad are half-brothers. I guess Rose and her mom would've been a better example of the swap of roles the characters go between the universes, as that's true and also correct in a way that needs no further explanation.
0:22 Actually, the silliest the comic, the stronger it can be. In a very silly comic it's very easy for the author to go "and then Balko The Clown destroyed 78 universes by yawning too hard".
As someone who reads/scales homestuck, gotta say the vid isn't bad at all and I agree with most of the points. However there are some more straightforward and easy ways to prove some things, for instance Hussie has directly said before alot of structures in the cosmology are based on platonic theory (see for instance how the Kernelsprite behaves like the "Platonic form" in which the white/black armies participate in, or the aspects in relation with concepts). I'd also point out that Calliope explains to Jade that the furthest ring is a tapestry that is made up of each and every aspects and their dualities, and that things like distance or direction are ideas that come from the broader aspect that is space. This mean the aspects can be seen as above dimensionality on their own as the very existence of the Space and Time aspects are what the very ideas of dimensions would even stem from. This is notable cus Lord English just being in the furthest ring destabilizes these aspects and is upheaving the very existence of them. Also as a side note, the retcon actually didn't even stop the Red Miles from Bec Noir, but only stalls it, meaning Bec has such a massive range that even retconning his largest attacks is pointless lol. But like I said not a bad vid and I agree with most of the scaling shown here
Awesome video, man! Digesting all of it right now, and while I'm not sure I agree with everything here, I still LOVE this video; it's awesome to see HS get some love in scaling. I also learned some new things, like Bec Noir's Red Miles being Complex Multi rather than Multi+ or Low Complex Multi. Overall, you REALLY outdid yourself here. Outstanding job!
Something I would like to point out is any player of Sburb has a level of resurrection available to them through only being truly dead if their dream selves are also killed. Otherwise through their dream selves that player could resurrect themselves. Also as a God Tier characters are basically immortal as when they are killed their deaths are ruled as either heroic or not and if it’s not heroic than they revive some gaining stronger like John when Bec killed him. Speaking of John even though he’s a Breath player he’s able to transcend time and “canon” to effectively retcon his session from a perpetually doomed session to one that has a solid chance of killing English which ultimately happens. If I recall correctly he just straight up does this with speed and his understanding of his aspects power. This retcon does not create a new timeline either and actually course corrects the current one he’s in. Homestuck’s Classes also all manifest their Aspects different depending on the Class itself. Knights of Time vs Seers of Time are going to manifest their powers differently. Caliborn and Caliope are the only Lord and Muse respectively too as any session can only have one of those Classes and it always goes to the Cerub’s which then in of themselves are bullshit insanely overpowered from the moment they’re born. Would love to see another video from you of Homestuck going deeper through the scaling
Dave didn't ever come face to face with English in the comic??? Like ever??? He only came in contact with the aspect of English inside of Jack, and even then that wasn't his full power. English was defeated by Callie, the Muse of Space? As someone hopelessly obsessed with canon I am so lost how you put some of these characters at such a high tier of durability when they have (at least from what we've seen) only superhuman durability (I mean just look at Game Over). They're clearly vulnerable, the main thing for them is the revival powers of god tiers, but even then if you're up against Goku then your death could easily be deemed Just because if you killed Goku you'd be doing a universal detriment. Bruh.
@theaprilsonlyfool No, they scare me. Almost everything I hear about them sounds unimaginably like character assassination, and I prefer to sit in my corner with pillows on my ears singing lalala. My headcanons are safe if I never witness what the author intended of it.
Before saying anything, I have to cede hax here. DragonBall isn't really a very haxxy setting like Homestuck. If they aren't powerful enough to ignore hax (they aren't), they're losing bigtime Jiren/Goku if you really wank them scale to 5th dimensional, but much more likely are 4D since Jiren surpasses and literally flexes himself out of stopped time while surpressed, and then goes to not only stop surpressing himself but even surpass that limit. That's at least one platonic concept they can ignore. Space is another thing, but Blue Kaioken Goku BEFORE UI roars and powers up enough to shake an infinite, timeless void near the start of the ToP. This is another feat that puts them in 4D ballpark. Issue is, Homestuck gets so out of pocket dimensional tiering wise that doesn't even really matter. They still get roflstomped by, at best, Bec Noir. Bec of course scales to Jade who gets SHMACKED by English power-wise. My only criticism of this video is that killing Hussie isn't really impressive for English. That would be impressive if Hussie were the source of the platonic concepts but he isnt, he's just as beholden to them as everyone else. None of the characters in Homestuck are controlled by Hussie or written by him as he is presented in the comic. His actions are more in line with a scribe than an author. Other than that, this video is a fat W
quick correction at 3:07. john's father becomes jane's father, not jake. jade's grandfather is who becomes jake. and, of course, jade correspondingly becomes jake's grandmother.
I think its a cool video but... I feel like the powerscaling logic is not in general stupid but doesnt AT ALL work for Homestuck, im also pretty sure you messed up multiple details.
Ultra instinct doesn’t deal damage, it is a technique to dodge and fight automatically Neither does the spirit bomb, it is made of positive energy and thus only damages evil beings, nothing metaphysical about it
Absolutely based video, got a feel things i’d like to talk about:
Blood seems to be more about bonds, duties and stuff like that, though it doesn’t matter much for the cosmology size, doom meanwhile seems related to stuff like failure and sacrifices, which might help with hax discussions
I’m not sure what you mean by “every universe has a furthest ring”, the furthest ring is the void between every universe/genesis frog, it is supposedely an all encompassing nothingness referred to by hussie as “the default reality”, it doesn’t change anything tbh, hell it just makes the furthest ring more impressive since it is large
Adding to the speed part of it, fighting normally in the furthest ring is not impressive just because it is disconnected from space time, but spacetime inside of it is immensely broken, as in, if you try to time travel there, you might be sent millions of lightyears away, if you try moving in the straight line, you might travel backwards in time, and if you try swatting the air around you, you might slap yourself in the face, aradia even says that in order to properly move there, you need to master time travel and stuff
So for other characters that don’t showcase time abilities such as dirk, all the jack noirs, etc to be able to move around the furthest ring and keep up with time players like aradia and dave who are top tier time players, makes a lot of sense
Those cracks that lord english put in the furthest ring were affecting the aspects, and he doesn’t need to use his laser to cause them, in the epilogues even without the green sun, he still put a crack in the roof of existence and made shards of potentiality fall around just by roaring pretty loud, and he does it again by wailing in pain too
Doing character specific videos is a good idea since some of them like john egbert, caliborn/Lord english, Dirk strinder and Alt calliope are pretty damn insane
THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTIONS. The furthest ring statements are kinda confusing cuz every universe connects to it in a way.
Also my misinterpretation of the aspects was just bc i havent read HS in a while and there isn't a lot of resources about them that pertain to scaling
@@d0tbat yeah i can see that, i think a way to see it is that the furthest ring is the multiverse since it contains every universe inside of it, as they always refer to the genesis frogs as universes despite being multiverses (probably cuz every timeline is a instance of the universe they embody, like the alternian)
And yeah, they don’t add much to direct scaling besides space and time, they are mostly related to hax and stuff
Thank you for watching and I hope you stick around for more!
Jake isn't John's dad. Well, genetically he is, but that's because ectobiology means Grandpa Harley is John's genetic father. That's why Jake is, not Dad Egbert.
That would've been a lot to explain to people who know nothing about HS. Tried keeping it simple for noobs! Thanks for watching!
Jake isn't John's dad even genetically, because John's dad is Jane's son, whom she had with someone else but Jake. So genetically John and his dad are half-brothers.
I guess Rose and her mom would've been a better example of the swap of roles the characters go between the universes, as that's true and also correct in a way that needs no further explanation.
ectobiology is confusing af lmao
This is such a cool video. I wish Homestuck was real
I don't usually watch scaling videos but I love homestuck so I had to check this out! Love how you explained everything :) great video!
0:22 Actually, the silliest the comic, the stronger it can be. In a very silly comic it's very easy for the author to go "and then Balko The Clown destroyed 78 universes by yawning too hard".
As someone who reads/scales homestuck, gotta say the vid isn't bad at all and I agree with most of the points. However there are some more straightforward and easy ways to prove some things, for instance Hussie has directly said before alot of structures in the cosmology are based on platonic theory (see for instance how the Kernelsprite behaves like the "Platonic form" in which the white/black armies participate in, or the aspects in relation with concepts).
I'd also point out that Calliope explains to Jade that the furthest ring is a tapestry that is made up of each and every aspects and their dualities, and that things like distance or direction are ideas that come from the broader aspect that is space. This mean the aspects can be seen as above dimensionality on their own as the very existence of the Space and Time aspects are what the very ideas of dimensions would even stem from. This is notable cus Lord English just being in the furthest ring destabilizes these aspects and is upheaving the very existence of them.
Also as a side note, the retcon actually didn't even stop the Red Miles from Bec Noir, but only stalls it, meaning Bec has such a massive range that even retconning his largest attacks is pointless lol. But like I said not a bad vid and I agree with most of the scaling shown here
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. WHEN I MAKE A PART 2 I will reference your comment for sure!
Awesome video, man! Digesting all of it right now, and while I'm not sure I agree with everything here, I still LOVE this video; it's awesome to see HS get some love in scaling. I also learned some new things, like Bec Noir's Red Miles being Complex Multi rather than Multi+ or Low Complex Multi. Overall, you REALLY outdid yourself here. Outstanding job!
Thank you!!
HS is my favorite verse EVER for scaling.
Awesome vid, awesome quality
Something I would like to point out is any player of Sburb has a level of resurrection available to them through only being truly dead if their dream selves are also killed. Otherwise through their dream selves that player could resurrect themselves.
Also as a God Tier characters are basically immortal as when they are killed their deaths are ruled as either heroic or not and if it’s not heroic than they revive some gaining stronger like John when Bec killed him. Speaking of John even though he’s a Breath player he’s able to transcend time and “canon” to effectively retcon his session from a perpetually doomed session to one that has a solid chance of killing English which ultimately happens. If I recall correctly he just straight up does this with speed and his understanding of his aspects power. This retcon does not create a new timeline either and actually course corrects the current one he’s in.
Homestuck’s Classes also all manifest their Aspects different depending on the Class itself. Knights of Time vs Seers of Time are going to manifest their powers differently. Caliborn and Caliope are the only Lord and Muse respectively too as any session can only have one of those Classes and it always goes to the Cerub’s which then in of themselves are bullshit insanely overpowered from the moment they’re born.
Would love to see another video from you of Homestuck going deeper through the scaling
Dave didn't ever come face to face with English in the comic??? Like ever??? He only came in contact with the aspect of English inside of Jack, and even then that wasn't his full power. English was defeated by Callie, the Muse of Space? As someone hopelessly obsessed with canon I am so lost how you put some of these characters at such a high tier of durability when they have (at least from what we've seen) only superhuman durability (I mean just look at Game Over). They're clearly vulnerable, the main thing for them is the revival powers of god tiers, but even then if you're up against Goku then your death could easily be deemed Just because if you killed Goku you'd be doing a universal detriment. Bruh.
did you read the epilouges at all
@theaprilsonlyfool No, they scare me. Almost everything I hear about them sounds unimaginably like character assassination, and I prefer to sit in my corner with pillows on my ears singing lalala. My headcanons are safe if I never witness what the author intended of it.
Before saying anything, I have to cede hax here. DragonBall isn't really a very haxxy setting like Homestuck. If they aren't powerful enough to ignore hax (they aren't), they're losing bigtime
Jiren/Goku if you really wank them scale to 5th dimensional, but much more likely are 4D since Jiren surpasses and literally flexes himself out of stopped time while surpressed, and then goes to not only stop surpressing himself but even surpass that limit. That's at least one platonic concept they can ignore.
Space is another thing, but Blue Kaioken Goku BEFORE UI roars and powers up enough to shake an infinite, timeless void near the start of the ToP. This is another feat that puts them in 4D ballpark.
Issue is, Homestuck gets so out of pocket dimensional tiering wise that doesn't even really matter. They still get roflstomped by, at best, Bec Noir. Bec of course scales to Jade who gets SHMACKED by English power-wise.
My only criticism of this video is that killing Hussie isn't really impressive for English. That would be impressive if Hussie were the source of the platonic concepts but he isnt, he's just as beholden to them as everyone else. None of the characters in Homestuck are controlled by Hussie or written by him as he is presented in the comic. His actions are more in line with a scribe than an author. Other than that, this video is a fat W
I gotchu (they lose btw)
@@d0tbat It is done
I was gonna be real long-winded but my phone is at 4% so I'm leaving it as-is
@@RageMagikarp thank you got the well thought out comment!
quick correction at 3:07.
john's father becomes jane's father, not jake.
jade's grandfather is who becomes jake. and, of course, jade correspondingly becomes jake's grandmother.
that's good and all but 3:08 oh my god he's not jake english that's jade's grandfather
I think its a cool video but... I feel like the powerscaling logic is not in general stupid but doesnt AT ALL work for Homestuck, im also pretty sure you messed up multiple details.
Rral short version:lord english is stronk
perfect timing nice
Glad you think so! Thank you!
That you missed the Visual Novel
I'd like to see vids of specific characters
Ultra instinct and the spirit bomb does metaphysical damage
only within the story on a 3rd to 4th dimensional level.
Ultra instinct doesn’t deal damage, it is a technique to dodge and fight automatically
Neither does the spirit bomb, it is made of positive energy and thus only damages evil beings, nothing metaphysical about it
whaaat???
Bruh
what is this animation it’s so fire
Link in the description!
thank god you used CSAP
VSBW is garbage
This video rocks
This is is a W vid
Always Reggie ❤
Everhood red still solos
Can you power scale Sassy The Sasquatch (The Big Lez Show) I’m seeing mixed opinions about his tier.
Nah id win
Damn they might be beatin goku….maybe.
Totally
They strong but ain’t beatin archie
They do
You dont know hes its easy to do it
The stronger characters obliterate archie with easy
@@thelastmlg2699 ok I solo them
@@Bepo_is_the_goat_of_goats still ain't beatin Steve in creative mode
@@user-sr8yy8ks4k Mario victim
fire video!
You already know!