I took a while to analyze and try things, disagreed with a lot of things that I saw online (in terms of talents) and i'm glad to see someone made the exact choices I did !
Gonna follow thru with this guide, just started pvp 2 weeks ago. Getting better, sadly don't think I'll even hit glad that mount is just beautiful. Thanks
Hey yes - so have your ferocity pet out, and at 2 seconds before the game starts, use dismiss pet. Right before the dismiss pet cast completes, use bloodlust (make sure the gates have opened) then summon your cunning pet for freedom. Might take a few tries to get the timing right, it's easy to mess up haha.
Ayyy thank you very much for the kind words 🙏 Trying to find the balance between detailed and informative without being too lengthy, so appreciate that.
In the opening, why do you tab target barbed shot the other player when you still haven’t hit 3 stacks of barbed shot for the frenzy? Great guide, just trying to understand your thought process, thank you for making this guide.
Hey! So this was an old opener I was doing at the time of the recording of this video. I don't often do this anymore, it's a little bit too min-max and you usually don't have time to do this in pvp. However if the early game is slow, you can technically do this for high pve dmg efficiency/but lower opening burst. The idea was to min-max barbed shot spread + bestial wrath resets.
I might be the dumbest person alive but I am still struggling to understand the BM rotation - is the ability priority like this? Bestial Wrath - Call of the Wild - Black Arrow - Dire Beast - Kill Command - Cobra Shot?
Hey no you're not dumb! Your priority system (disregarding cooldowns) is: - maintain 3 stacks of barbed shot - black arrow - never overcap on kill command or barbed - dire beast - tranq shot to purge + gain focus - cobra shot if nothing else Outside of that, you're just using bestial wrath on cooldown (farming it back with barbed), call of the wild for your big 2 minute go.
Is there any page that you have all your important macros together? Especially the focus ones like intimidation etc. I would be glad if you could share them!
Hey! I can possibly make a video detailing the macros I use, but in the meantime use this format to get you started: #showtooltip /cast [@focus] intimidation /cast dash (The dash is just for your pet to go faster and get in range of your focus)
Yo! As BM, we use the 4-set tier (this means every piece but chest this season) The bonus of the 4-set outweighs the nonoptimal stats on some of the pieces. Just make sure you're using pvp tier (should be pvp ilvl 639)
Hey so because of the dark ranger talent "smoke screen" when you wall (survival of the fittest) you also exhilaration for free. And exhil full heals your pet. So the trick is if you're in a pinch, and you know your pet will die before mend pet saves it, you can actually wall (which is off gcd too) to full heal your pet instantly.
#showtooltip /cast [@cursor] freezing trap Add this to your macros then drag it on your bars. You can do this for tar trap, high explosive trap, and binding shot too.
hey man thanks for this useful guide ! I have a question regarding the main pet, is there a big importance to chose one type of pet over the other (except ofcourse the bonus they give). I play a dwarf with a bear is this fine ? Thanks !
Hey thanks for watching! About 99% of the time, you just want to run a cunning + mortal wounds pet, which is raptor/hyena/rodent. You can also get a tenacity + mortal wounds, and ferocity + mortal wounds pet so you have all 3 types of pet covered. You can use your bear for pve, but for pvp you really want a mortal wounds pet. www.wow-petopia.com/abilities.php This is a great website that goes over every pet family and ability. Good luck!
Hey bro. Really good info in this video! Watched all of your vids. I'm a Hunter main, play all 3, tho I mostly do WPVP. Got legend in s4 of DF tho as MM. This vid helped me better understand the rotation as I didnt know how properly to open and felt there was too much ramp up before i got to press my shit as a BM. I'm at 2350 right now as bm and 2200 as mm, tho I mostly do world pvp and gank folks. :) I also post vids, started recently so I know how it is to get no views, thus the comment for the algorithm!! :D
Also the I didn't fully understand how fear immunity pvp talent works, I would press Bestial wrath mid fear and be confused, so I generally never took it xD
@@Snipedxd Hey thank you for watching and writing to me! I'll send a sub your way too. Yes, there's so many ways to open, and you can decide whether you need to slow ramp or fast ramp, the opener I demonstrated is definitely a slow ramp. Not fit for every situation. And yes, glad I could clear that up about the fear immunity talent! Often times into shadowplays (lock + sp) you want to Bestial Wrath proactively so they can't psychic scream / mortal coil you off.
yes ty. people put way too much emphasis on race. just play whatever u want, you aren’t losing 99% of the time cuz you weren’t nightelf. i’m playing goblin and love it
How would you play in a high cr shuffle lobby vs double mw healers and ele/enh as well? Trapping felt literally impossible. In general how do you handle trapping mw?
That's basically the worst lobby you could get haha. Generally in shuffle damage > cc anyway, so you want to mentally prioritize doing perfect damage rather than wasting time going for impossible traps. But let's say you're in a situation where you absolutely need to get this trap - the less telegraphed you can make it, the better. If you can concussive shot, stand near the MW, and freehand the trap, the shamans will have less time to react with a grounding, and the MW will have less time to react with a port or revival. Alternatively, you can also stun -> scatter (so he can't port or revival) -> trap. This will be a dr trap, and you need to watch for groundings, but it's better than nothing at all.
Great video thank you! since i have never played hunter i was wondering about the pets, i have no idea where they are and whats the best is etc, i've tried understanding some pets videos but it feels hard xD anyway ty for the video appreciate it :D
Hey I got you! To keep it super simple - 99% of the time you just want to run a cunning + mortal wounds pet. This means raptor/hyena/rodent. From there, you can occasionally run a tenacity pet into specific matchups, and a ferocity pet (then swap back to cunning when the gates open) so you can do the bloodlust trick with kindred beasts pvp talent, but I wouldn't worry about that for now. www.wow-petopia.com/abilities.php This is a great website that goes over every pet family and ability. Good luck!
Yo! The wrist/cloak enchant honestly comes down to preference, and is likely under a 1% difference. I wanted to try the leech enchants to see how much healing I could get. In a long game, you can heal yourself for several million which isn't bad at all. The speed enchants are good too, if you use all 3 speed enchants (wrist, cloak, boots) I think you can get to 10% additional move speed which is also super good.
Jungle is your best currently. After that, honestly you can play hunter with almost any other dps and you will have something. Things like cupid, thug, hunter dk, hunter dev, hunter lock, hunter boomy, hunter sp, hunter warrior can all work.
You can customize haste/mastery however you like. I have a hunter with almost full haste and it feels super smooth. You will notice your pets do less dmg with lower mastery, but with the benefit of faster globals with higher haste. The sweet spot for me has been about 16-20% haste (in pvp) and the rest mastery. Play around with it and see what feels best to you!
Cunning + mortal wounds pet, 99% of the time (this means raptor, hyena, rodent) Just make sure you don't run undead raptor into any Ret teams, because every 30s they will stun your for pet for 5s from wake of ashes. Pet stats are normalized across the board in retail wow, unlike in classic. So you don't need to worry about pet dps or hp or anything like that.
Hi! Keybinds are a totally personal thing - what makes sense for me may not work for you, and vice versa. I'd recommend spending some time and trying out different binds and see what feels best to you. If you need to, start with only like 5 abilities bound, and then slowly add over time until eventually you have everything bound. That being said, if it's really in demand I can make a video detailing my hunter keybinds.
I still don't understand how it happened, but I got this key even though I don't have the necessary toys. I repeated everything from the video except that I don't have the toys, and after a while I still got the key
Hey buddy thank you, that's super nice. I'll definitely post some more sv stuff coming up. In the meantime, I have a vod from 2 months ago with some hype sv games against some great players: www.twitch.tv/videos/2264631388?t=00h00m01s
one question about talents, i seem to be focus starved without Pack tactics and i have picked it over trhill of the hunt since crit is so low value. not sure where i am doing it wrong
@@Jinxdtv Hey I'm glad that worked out for you! Yeah so basically, pack tactics is unnecessary as long as you weave in your tranq shot + dire beasts, along with having higher haste and barbed shot passive focus incoming. Despite crit not being a desired stat for us, the permanent 6% crit at 3 stacks is still just free extra damage.
please brother talent string in description or comments :) for pepople that dont main hunter and dont know the talents by heart, it is very useful to put the talent string so we can just copy and paste
Got you bro - C0PAjWdaYGhrXhCioy+K0kCnAastMwAmgZhtQGLAAAAAAYAAAAAAAmx2wsMzMjZmxMjZYGzMYYmMDMDzYMzwYmZmZmhZZmhtBWA PVP Talents are survival tactics, diamond ice, and chimaeral/kindred beasts/beast within depending on matchup
BM 1 trick pony here: You can cast Kill command, bestial wrath, intimidation and freeze trap without breaking camouflage. The best opener you can do is: In camo 1. Hunter’s Mark Kill target 2. Kill Commandkill target (while Aspect of Cheetah towards enemy healer) 3. Bestial Wrath 4. Intimidation (you should be getting close to enemy healer) 5. Kill Command kill target 6. Freezing trap (you should be within 15 yards of enemy healer for your trap to land before stun expires) 7. Kill Command NOTE: You are still in Camoflauge step 1-7 which is insane. You casted 7 globals without breaking camouflage. You got dmg rolling while getting in a CC safely. Not only that, enemy dps has probably already committed dmg/stuns on your allied dps target. So when/if they swap on you, it is less scary. 8. Barbed shot (this is when camoflauge breaks) 9. Barbed shot 10. Call of the Wild 11… DPS rotation priority
your guides helped me get my first 2200 in s4. trying war within for the first time this week hopefully i can push 2.3 at some point!
Ayyy we love to hear that! Good luck with your push!
I took a while to analyze and try things, disagreed with a lot of things that I saw online (in terms of talents) and i'm glad to see someone made the exact choices I did !
Yes! Glad I can help confirm your thoughts.
Gonna follow thru with this guide, just started pvp 2 weeks ago. Getting better, sadly don't think I'll even hit glad that mount is just beautiful. Thanks
Good luck! Glad could be a good long term goal for you, I'd say just practice a ton in solo shuffle and in 2s/3s with friends to get your reps in!
Can you please explain how to use bloodlust in opening room into short freedom with kindred beasts?
Hey yes - so have your ferocity pet out, and at 2 seconds before the game starts, use dismiss pet. Right before the dismiss pet cast completes, use bloodlust (make sure the gates have opened) then summon your cunning pet for freedom. Might take a few tries to get the timing right, it's easy to mess up haha.
Great video!
Btw if you want a dummy that hits back i believe the one on the other side is the one you want. Try it though, not 100% sure
Hey thank you for watching, and sweet I'll have to check that dummy!
@@Jaywaz Can confirm it hits back.
This is an awesome, simple and thorough guide. Now, can you please take it down before all the other BM players see it 😂
Ayyy thank you very much for the kind words 🙏 Trying to find the balance between detailed and informative without being too lengthy, so appreciate that.
In the opening, why do you tab target barbed shot the other player when you still haven’t hit 3 stacks of barbed shot for the frenzy? Great guide, just trying to understand your thought process, thank you for making this guide.
Barbed shot bleed does not stack
Hey! So this was an old opener I was doing at the time of the recording of this video. I don't often do this anymore, it's a little bit too min-max and you usually don't have time to do this in pvp. However if the early game is slow, you can technically do this for high pve dmg efficiency/but lower opening burst. The idea was to min-max barbed shot spread + bestial wrath resets.
Jaywaz the goat ❤
Disintegon??? Omg, big fan.
I might be the dumbest person alive but I am still struggling to understand the BM rotation - is the ability priority like this? Bestial Wrath - Call of the Wild - Black Arrow - Dire Beast - Kill Command - Cobra Shot?
Hey no you're not dumb! Your priority system (disregarding cooldowns) is:
- maintain 3 stacks of barbed shot
- black arrow
- never overcap on kill command or barbed
- dire beast
- tranq shot to purge + gain focus
- cobra shot if nothing else
Outside of that, you're just using bestial wrath on cooldown (farming it back with barbed), call of the wild for your big 2 minute go.
@@Jaywaz By 3 stacks of Barbed Shot you mean 3 Frenzy stacks on my pet, right?
@@betahumanx Yes correct!
Is there any page that you have all your important macros together? Especially the focus ones like intimidation etc. I would be glad if you could share them!
Hey! I can possibly make a video detailing the macros I use, but in the meantime use this format to get you started:
#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] intimidation
/cast dash
(The dash is just for your pet to go faster and get in range of your focus)
hey, im just wondering, wy are so many using lightles sett? it's for pve and some has critt, or am i missing something?.:S
Yo! As BM, we use the 4-set tier (this means every piece but chest this season) The bonus of the 4-set outweighs the nonoptimal stats on some of the pieces. Just make sure you're using pvp tier (should be pvp ilvl 639)
@@Jaywaz tnx for the reply.:)
what do u mean by wall or whatever whenever u healing ur pet
Hey so because of the dark ranger talent "smoke screen" when you wall (survival of the fittest) you also exhilaration for free. And exhil full heals your pet. So the trick is if you're in a pinch, and you know your pet will die before mend pet saves it, you can actually wall (which is off gcd too) to full heal your pet instantly.
How can I have my two pets be the same look? My Second one is always random..
Go to your stable and put your selected off-pet in the off pet slot at the far right
@ thanks!:)
How do u make traps so they launch at a target rather then placing the trap on a target?
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] freezing trap
Add this to your macros then drag it on your bars. You can do this for tar trap, high explosive trap, and binding shot too.
@@Jaywaz thank you so much!!!!
hey man thanks for this useful guide ! I have a question regarding the main pet, is there a big importance to chose one type of pet over the other (except ofcourse the bonus they give). I play a dwarf with a bear is this fine ? Thanks !
Hey thanks for watching! About 99% of the time, you just want to run a cunning + mortal wounds pet, which is raptor/hyena/rodent. You can also get a tenacity + mortal wounds, and ferocity + mortal wounds pet so you have all 3 types of pet covered. You can use your bear for pve, but for pvp you really want a mortal wounds pet.
www.wow-petopia.com/abilities.php
This is a great website that goes over every pet family and ability. Good luck!
Hey bro. Really good info in this video! Watched all of your vids.
I'm a Hunter main, play all 3, tho I mostly do WPVP. Got legend in s4 of DF tho as MM. This vid helped me better understand the rotation as I didnt know how properly to open and felt there was too much ramp up before i got to press my shit as a BM. I'm at 2350 right now as bm and 2200 as mm, tho I mostly do world pvp and gank folks. :)
I also post vids, started recently so I know how it is to get no views, thus the comment for the algorithm!! :D
Also the I didn't fully understand how fear immunity pvp talent works, I would press Bestial wrath mid fear and be confused, so I generally never took it xD
@@Snipedxd Hey thank you for watching and writing to me! I'll send a sub your way too. Yes, there's so many ways to open, and you can decide whether you need to slow ramp or fast ramp, the opener I demonstrated is definitely a slow ramp. Not fit for every situation.
And yes, glad I could clear that up about the fear immunity talent! Often times into shadowplays (lock + sp) you want to Bestial Wrath proactively so they can't psychic scream / mortal coil you off.
yes ty. people put way too much emphasis on race. just play whatever u want, you aren’t losing 99% of the time cuz you weren’t nightelf. i’m playing goblin and love it
@@drewoehmke Exactly! I have a goblin hunter too and I love it haha.
Hey are you streaming often? I was trying to catch you on twitch but haven't seen you online and you get no vods saved!
Hey, I'll start streaming again in the new year and as the season is ending. Thanks for your interest!
How would you play in a high cr shuffle lobby vs double mw healers and ele/enh as well? Trapping felt literally impossible. In general how do you handle trapping mw?
That's basically the worst lobby you could get haha. Generally in shuffle damage > cc anyway, so you want to mentally prioritize doing perfect damage rather than wasting time going for impossible traps.
But let's say you're in a situation where you absolutely need to get this trap - the less telegraphed you can make it, the better. If you can concussive shot, stand near the MW, and freehand the trap, the shamans will have less time to react with a grounding, and the MW will have less time to react with a port or revival. Alternatively, you can also stun -> scatter (so he can't port or revival) -> trap. This will be a dr trap, and you need to watch for groundings, but it's better than nothing at all.
Great video thank you! since i have never played hunter i was wondering about the pets, i have no idea where they are and whats the best is etc, i've tried understanding some pets videos but it feels hard xD anyway ty for the video appreciate it :D
Hey I got you! To keep it super simple - 99% of the time you just want to run a cunning + mortal wounds pet. This means raptor/hyena/rodent. From there, you can occasionally run a tenacity pet into specific matchups, and a ferocity pet (then swap back to cunning when the gates open) so you can do the bloodlust trick with kindred beasts pvp talent, but I wouldn't worry about that for now.
www.wow-petopia.com/abilities.php
This is a great website that goes over every pet family and ability. Good luck!
hey mate
noticed you have leech on cloak and bracers - is it that good?
I suppose I can understand the stamina to boots.
is the leech noticeable?
Yo! The wrist/cloak enchant honestly comes down to preference, and is likely under a 1% difference.
I wanted to try the leech enchants to see how much healing I could get. In a long game, you can heal yourself for several million which isn't bad at all. The speed enchants are good too, if you use all 3 speed enchants (wrist, cloak, boots) I think you can get to 10% additional move speed which is also super good.
Whats good comps for 3s?
Jungle is your best currently. After that, honestly you can play hunter with almost any other dps and you will have something. Things like cupid, thug, hunter dk, hunter dev, hunter lock, hunter boomy, hunter sp, hunter warrior can all work.
Hey I’m currently going full haste, do you think it’s bad? Should I cut down some haste for mastery?
You can customize haste/mastery however you like. I have a hunter with almost full haste and it feels super smooth. You will notice your pets do less dmg with lower mastery, but with the benefit of faster globals with higher haste.
The sweet spot for me has been about 16-20% haste (in pvp) and the rest mastery. Play around with it and see what feels best to you!
What about pets and pets stats? I’ve been running undead raptors but I really just want something cute and fun.
Cunning + mortal wounds pet, 99% of the time (this means raptor, hyena, rodent) Just make sure you don't run undead raptor into any Ret teams, because every 30s they will stun your for pet for 5s from wake of ashes.
Pet stats are normalized across the board in retail wow, unlike in classic. So you don't need to worry about pet dps or hp or anything like that.
Could you show your keybinds? Im new and curious
Hi! Keybinds are a totally personal thing - what makes sense for me may not work for you, and vice versa. I'd recommend spending some time and trying out different binds and see what feels best to you. If you need to, start with only like 5 abilities bound, and then slowly add over time until eventually you have everything bound.
That being said, if it's really in demand I can make a video detailing my hunter keybinds.
Thanks for the vid lets see if i can push past 1700 in shuff now
You got this 💪
I still don't understand how it happened, but I got this key even though I don't have the necessary toys.
I repeated everything from the video except that I don't have the toys, and after a while I still got the key
Hey I think you commented on the wrong video! But thanks for watching haha.
Hey Jaywaz I'm a big fan. Can you post some survival game play. I love your vids you should post more plzz,
Hey buddy thank you, that's super nice. I'll definitely post some more sv stuff coming up. In the meantime, I have a vod from 2 months ago with some hype sv games against some great players:
www.twitch.tv/videos/2264631388?t=00h00m01s
one question about talents, i seem to be focus starved without Pack tactics and i have picked it over trhill of the hunt since crit is so low value. not sure where i am doing it wrong
i found out with the gear i had i lacked so much haste it made it struggle, now with your updated items i don't notice it anymore
@@Jinxdtv Hey I'm glad that worked out for you! Yeah so basically, pack tactics is unnecessary as long as you weave in your tranq shot + dire beasts, along with having higher haste and barbed shot passive focus incoming.
Despite crit not being a desired stat for us, the permanent 6% crit at 3 stacks is still just free extra damage.
please brother talent string in description or comments :) for pepople that dont main hunter and dont know the talents by heart, it is very useful to put the talent string so we can just copy and paste
Got you bro -
C0PAjWdaYGhrXhCioy+K0kCnAastMwAmgZhtQGLAAAAAAYAAAAAAAmx2wsMzMjZmxMjZYGzMYYmMDMDzYMzwYmZmZmhZZmhtBWA
PVP Talents are survival tactics, diamond ice, and chimaeral/kindred beasts/beast within depending on matchup
BM 1 trick pony here:
You can cast Kill command, bestial wrath, intimidation and freeze trap without breaking camouflage. The best opener you can do is:
In camo
1. Hunter’s Mark Kill target
2. Kill Commandkill target (while Aspect of Cheetah towards enemy healer)
3. Bestial Wrath
4. Intimidation (you should be getting close to enemy healer)
5. Kill Command kill target
6. Freezing trap (you should be within 15 yards of enemy healer for your trap to land before stun expires)
7. Kill Command
NOTE: You are still in Camoflauge step 1-7 which is insane. You casted 7 globals without breaking camouflage. You got dmg rolling while getting in a CC safely. Not only that, enemy dps has probably already committed dmg/stuns on your allied dps target. So when/if they swap on you, it is less scary.
8. Barbed shot (this is when camoflauge breaks)
9. Barbed shot
10. Call of the Wild
11… DPS rotation priority
in depth glad bm hunter guide "you cannot dps in turtle" glad here i come!!!!!
So true king!!!
depth? press buttons - win games, no thinking needed here
Oooh no Another 1900 stuck in Shuffle :(
@@Jazzylad7 wrong
So true king
So your bm hunter is 2800 then?
Step one: play a different class literally no one has fun and it kills pvp everytime bm is good
Facts