ARTIST CREDIT: shmalloe__ ON IG!! pin.it/7v3tJf8Fm Also DONT MAKE THIS AS A TREND. Check my community post. heres my kofi :3 ko-fi.com/voidmariel Some people said it isn't but it was like a person (?) Idk how to explain it edit: erm what the flip how did this get alot of views i just kade this video to like ask😭😭 I just figured out that this is called mapping+?( I think its mentioned on one of the comments actually nvm I'm not sure anymore I'm getting confused, also I'm not doing these anymore I'm just gonna make my own pose and use reference Not that this has anything to do with the video, but please pin this, so everyone can see. Every hour hundreds of animals such as dogs and cats, are being abused and attacked, I think this is very cruel and rude to the animals involved in this situation, We need to stop this problem now because if animals die the world would be destroyed in a matter of seconds. If you can donate to the places that helps animals, if you can't then please copy this text and spread the message to a lot of shorts and RUclips videos, even if someone calls you a bot. Say you copied it, thank you very much.
It is tracing, and theft, since you're using another artist's art, meaning they probs worked hard on the pose. But using like, some 3d free model or a base isn't considered theft. Or using the same technique only for practice.
No, this is just like using a reference for a pose! Its a very common practice. As long as you aren't directly tracing the line art, id say you're good
As an art student, this trick is something my drawing professor told us to use! But I always recommend doing it with pictures of real people since other drawings may have anatomical issues (it can happen, even to the best artist), or the anatomy may be altered due to aesthetic reasons (see, for example, drawing the eyes bigger). You have to learn real anatomy rules first, and then you can bend them :)
@Weird_ah_furry did you not read the comment? They literally just explained that people need to learn the rules of anatomy before they start stylizing it
@@Weird_ah_furry i think whether you wanna draw unrealistic stuff its still better to have a good understanding of basic human anatomy because its harder to unlearn your stylistic anatomy than to learn stylistic anatomy that you can do later anytime :)
@@DeedeeOh-f2ias long as your not taking the details , hair (the colors are okay sometimes if you just like the palette but not if you trying to copy the art) I used to do this a lot too!
@@DeedeeOh-f2i there are many industry professionals who have gotten called out for "just taking the pose" If you're taking artwork someone else made, lowering the opacity, tracing over it, learning from it- cool. no problem there. if you're going further than that and trying to make it into something original, and posting it as your own with no credit to the original, that's tracing and it's not a good habit to encourage
It’s not really tracing since you’re just getting the base of a body out of it, of course you have to credit the artists on the pose inspo, but other than that this isn’t tracing.
Nope! Its actually really good for you art wise! Studying poses from other's drawings is really important and eventually you should be able to look at some poses and do them on your own! Also, please remember that tracing (as long as you dont claim the art as your own) can help you to understand what in that art really inspired you so that you can insert it in your own pieces! You're on a good track :D
I mean if you’re just tracing the basic shape then it’s fine since you’re using it for reference i made this comment a year ago when i always traced references, just trace the basic shape and recreate that basic shape seperately
@@_Zarick_ Not tracing, DECONSTUCTING. You simplify the anatomy into shapes so you could have a better understanding how anatomy works and how each one functions
as an anti tracer who's been drawing for some time, i always suggest this to beginner artists ! its typically described as using a reference pose and can help learn basic shapes when drawing anatomy :) its quite useful imo !! ^^
I'd say that ISN'T tracing, and you're just using it for pose reference, etc. I would only consider it tracing if you traced every single small detail on it, which isn't what you're doing. So, as far as I know, that's not tracing!
it's still tracing. And tracing is a really useful tool for learning art. So many of the comments here are like yours. "It's not tracing, just (describes tracing)" Tracing is good, you're probably saying it isn't because you think tracing is bad. Most good artists trace to learn things. But if you trace a pose like this, and put it in your own artwork with no changes. That's bad. Do it to learn, not to create
@@hannanah8036 I just believe that there is a difference between tracing and deconstructing. This is deconstructing, and is a common way to learn anatomy and poses by “deconstructing” the reference into simpler shapes. Tracing, by its most commonly accepted definition, is intellectual property theft, where the original artists’ work is copied or “traced” by its exact lines, with minimal transformation.
This is tracing the pose. It's fine for studying the artist if that's your goal, and depending on how much you divert from the pose when working further on the drawing, it might be ok to post online. The more changes you do on the initial pose, the better. When a pose is very specific (like this one) it could be compared with the original work you used as reference, so I'd do a little disclaimer on the description of the post just in case.
@MavisDw nice to meet you, I'm an artist too, and I believe people are too used to demonizing the word "tracing" and using it as a synonym for "plagiarism", but tracing is an important learning resource for students, and also widely used in animation. But keeping things in the category of illustration, this is indeed tracing the pose-emphasis on "the pose". Since they're not tracing the lines, it doesn't fall into plagiarism.
@MavisDw It is tracing. Several other artists in a LOT of anatomy videos quite literally say this extra line 'Trace the pose whilst breaking it down into shapes' tracing ISN'T always a bad thing.
I dont really think its tracing but i would recommend drawing over it first and then going next to it and redrawing it without the art underneath, it'll help you get better at not needing to go over the reference at all and is great practice for anatomy and posing! ^°^
This is not copying, as an artist this is a art methid to breakdown the parts then u finalize it. Its basically the lart of anatomy or u can say human structure. This requires alot of skills i can say
As long as your only drawing the basics. tracing a pose can help you learn, but don’t trace the full art piece. Also you would learn a lot faster if you traced a real person a few times, then tried to replicate it on a blank piece.
This isn’t tracing in the way we usually see on art theft, however, I’d not use this as a base for a finished drawing. Tracing like this is actually a good practice, but this is just one step. Once you get the gist of the shapes, the next step would be to redraw them without tracing. I’ll mention however, that professionals do use similar techniques on finished art generally for background. Let’s say a comic artist has to draw several panels with a complex cityscape, tracing photos or 3d models help cutting precious time in trying to figure perspective and shapes. People also use 3d models for posing characters and might even trace them, but I’m personally not much of a fan of this. Idk what others think on the subject (I myself don’t like much tracing for my work, though I have used it for general shapes of very complex background elements)
Thought I should explain this (I feel like other people are getting this wrong) So, yes this is tracing. But what is tracing? tracing is to follow or mark the course or position of something. (got this from the dictionary). Now, is tracing necessarily a bad thing? No. Any artist (or any person) has traced, it's as simple as using a ruler to make a line. As an artist, you should use tracing for: - Understanding shapes - Studying things (Anatomy, animals, etc.) - Muscle memory - General practice (e.g: shapes) Why do others say it isn't tracing? people say that tracing is when you draw over someone's art and pretend it's yours. (side note: I really recommend tracing over actual people to learn anatomy better.) (Also hope this made sense and helps anyone who needs it!!)
@@edorasmarauder5761 All the comments I see say that it isn't tracing though? (or at least the ones I saw) All i did was say it is tracing and explained what it was. Sorry if a made it more confusing, I didn't mean to T-T
Of course not. This is called learning, you can learn posing by using someone's art as reference. I experienced these and I do not recommend posting any drawings with the same pose as others, so you don't get it trouble with other people. It's a good start to learn a bit of anatomy, witch will help you improve really much to start drawing poses and bodies on your own. Keep going 💪
Ah finally the voice of reason, yes this is just the training wheels for life drawing, the more you do it the less you need to see other art, all this credit the artist for pose is actually just marketing the fellow artist, if you got inspired even a little is showing some appreciation to the original source, but it's not an obligation when you're making these as a study piece. When you broadcast for everyone you set different rules. Any reference you gather can be sourced as a disclaimer on the video or just put in the description of the video, that is optional you don't need to cite you're sources it's just a courtesy to show professionalism and respect from where you got the inspiration. If you study for yourself it's fine, don't film it. If you film it for everyone on the internet, it's good to be respectful to the community.
Yes, it is drawing, but it is not necessarily bad and it is not a reason for hatred, because a person subsequently made the pose based on their knowledge and learning.
@@Alejaxxdraa862 Usually, when the pose is too specific, it can count as a reason to hate. There are multiple ways of people hating. This is what we call humanity. It was just a recommendation tho.
This is sooo true I’m sooo confused since my cousin told me that tracing a pose like what you did there was tracing but I told him that it’s just a reference 😭😭 (he is a professional artist too)
@@JoanaMarieAvena Outlining is tracing, but it isn't a big deal as long as you aren't taking the whole character. Tracing poses is fine, tracing characters (unless it's for practice) is not.
@@blue-IMNOTINDENIALYOUAREit is tracing she is tracing over the lines to make guidelines though this is a form of tracing it isn’t bad because tracing in general is only bad under the context that no credit was given
yall. tracing doesn't automatically mean bad my god... she's tracing yes but jts not in a bad way. just because you see the word trace doesn't lways mean stealing or something bad
Tracing is more like when you trace the lines themselves that you can see, but you just mapped out the pose :)! It is a very practical learning tool, actually
NO!! I do that all the time bc im still in practice of advanced poses!! I sometimes take pictures of myself in a pose and trace over it the way you did in this vid!! Tracing is also ok too!! Its how i myself learned to draw, actually! Just make sure to credit and take it down if the og artist asks!! This form lf tracing is pretty common with some newer or practicing artists!! Ive been drawing since i was ~2-3. I can say for sure this isnt exact tracing as long as you try to give credit to bases and such!!
I always get the shapes but I suck at details, I don’t really know how to use procreate all the way, like how do people make the other layer faint as they trace it?
On layers have one layer over the one you tracing and the layer you are doing the trace will be the one you will change the Opacity to your liking click on “N” and change the Opacity
yea technically tracing, but it's for more of a reference purpose than copying here so it's fine imo. Can be useful when used like this! Only downside is most artists don't like their art used for refs, so i try sticking to other sources personally lol.
I used to do this when I was in middle school, then I found a poser app. I suggest you get one. This will prevent you from getting in trouble as some artists don't like their arts to be used as a reference.
Hey, I've done digital art for 7 years now. This isn't tracing! Tracing is when you take the outline of an image and call it your own. You are using the picture as a reference to draw basic shapes from it. Down the line, you can use a reference picture and draw a "copy" of it to the side of the photo. Not on it, that would be tracing. This will help you get a grip of perspective and proportions faster! Once you understand the fundamentals of this, you won't need to use a photo reference as much. You can just draw what you see in your head. :)
Referencing is when its on the side and you try to copy it off, tracing is when you have the drawing beneath it doesn’t matter if its basic shapes, you still have the drawing beneath. If you don’t post it its fine, you just try to draw but otherwise if you dont give credit its tracing
@PizzaHut1331 ??? If someone posts it, its tracing. You are painting over someones art, that means it isnt YOUR original idea. Referencing is when the art work is on the side, and you try to copy it. Tracing is when you have the drawing beneath, for it to be tracing it has to get posted - though. In social media tracing is different.. But im saying that painting over someone’s art is tracing. I mean, imagine you draw the Mona Lisa, and you just draw it off having it under your paper. Or as example you copy your parents signature, for that most people use their parents signature under the paper of as example an exam or something like that. Please inform yourself a bit:) Hope this helped a bit more.
@PizzaHut1331 Practice is different from posting or showing your artwork, but we weren’t even talking about that I think , but im not sure so please correct me! By the way I think your kinda right but only if you then dont immediately draw over it but practice and practice. Also isnt learning anatomy more like learning where body parts are?
Sort of but it’s mostly fine, it’s a great way to improve or really help to get difficult poses down, what would help even more is if after you did the “traced” version of the pose you redrew what you ended up with without the help of the original reference, it helps a lot with muscle memory and anatomy
Yes. That’s not a bad thing, it’s tracing to understand form. It’s still tracing. I would definitely credit if you ever did this and posted it somewhere but that similar to crediting for heavily referencing another person’s drawing.
personally, I'd just not post pieces that heavily rely on tracing (though they're definitely good practice). but in this case, every artist uses an amalgamation of different aspects of other pieces to create new things. youre fine fosho. :) typically id just ref a stock photo or something though
@@ReesakelseyAbellanosa yeah this is not tracing in general like people who do realism reference a photo or trace over the shape, but that’s not tracing because you’re not just drawing over the entire thing
@@D3v-nub3 yh I know what tracing is, what I was trying to say, even if someone was tracing smth with or without credits it would still be tracing because the comment or said "it's not tracing as long as you give credits".
Personally I would be fine with this, as long as credit is given to whoever created the original pose. Credit only for the pose of course, but still. I would try your own hand at it eventually too, because relying on this method forever won't keep building your skills.
Pose theft isn't a thing and there's no real way to know who created the "original pose" because what if the other artist used a reference from someone else and so on? This is a lil silly. Might as well just credit the art you used as reference if heavily inspired but nobody credits poses.
Your going over someones drawing and the pose THEY drew and THEIR composition. If you’re just using it for a study on anatomy and you’re not posting it then it’s ok. But if you use their drawing as your own base then yes, it is tracing.
No no no, you can’t own a pose or a composition. Master studies are done all the time, and loads of media references or even wholly reconstructs other media. See breath of the wild riffing off castle in the sky, Metroid referencing alien. All kinds of stuff. Art is organic and art inspires art. As long as it’s a starting point and not the finished piece that’s just process. Talking otherwise is getting all kinds of purist and is toxic af
Well, I’d say it’s tracing, since you’re also using the same proportions for the bodyparts, making the character look quite similar. It’s useful for learning how to align everything and how the limbs should interact, but it’s probably better to use the traced pose as a reference for drawing a new pose.
Artist here, no its not tracing, this is something you would call deconstruction, and it means what the name implies, you're deconstructing the anatomy into shapes, its a good way to practice anatomy although its recommended to use this method on real people
@@socriabbas454deconstruction is a form of tracing. i doubt any art teacher would say tracing it’s involved. using a deconstruction of someones art as a base for a finished illustration would generally be considered art theft. many things are ok as private practice but not as public work.
@@soldiaz7261 No deconstruction is something else, it's not form of tracing. Tracing is just blatantly following the lines. I'm deconstruction your simplifying the pose into shapes. This is highly recommended if you use real life people as reference.
@@socriabbas454 Artist here. If you are lowering the opacity of an image in order to trace over it then that's tracing. I agree, deconstruction is very useful. And I like to deconstruct peoples' work like this. But in private. As practice. Never would I draw on top of those deconstructions and then claim they're mine. Because that borders on art theft. Please do not encourage this.
Then they should be using actual pictures of real people instead of the flawed art of someone else's In the end you just end up replicating someone else's mistakes by using other people's art.
I would recomend keeping the picture on a different tab and drawing what you see instead of drawing direcly over the picture. Will help you overall in a lot of different skills and keep you away from any tracing doubts!
It is drawing directly on top of it tho. I think referencing would be more having it off to the side and looking at it instead of actually drawing over top. It's kind of a moral grey area. My answer is that it's acceptable but if you're ever drawing on top of something, even if it's just to build a structure for your own original drawing, then you need to credit. There's just so much stylistic stuff that already happens in even just the base structures of a drawing that even taking just the base structures can be kind of taking from that artist on its own, in some ways. This is just my opinion though. I think It's really complicated.
This type of tracing can help you learn your own style of art; implementing the other’s art into it. And it can also be helpful in ways like learn how to get a grasp on how to draw correctly. Anatomy and all that stuff.
It’s tracing, but the good tracing. The tracing where you draw shapes to simplify a form/pose so that you can reproduce it better. The wrong kind of tracing is tracing over the lines. In both cases, you need to give the reference. (edit: top ten most useless argument in the replies, we have two champions, Sunshine and I 🤩)
@@sunshineforro565 You’re dense? Tracing is drawing above another drawing/image, the way you do it doesn’t matter, what matters is that you are in fact drawing above something else than your own drawing/canvas. Whether you are simply tracing the anatomy (which is learning) or tracing the lines of the drawing doesn’t change much other than the first one isn’t stealing but learning. You keep saying “mapping” but I can’t find any definition of that anywhere, it doesn’t mean anything to “map” a drawing. Construction drawing implies a blank canvas and a reference on the side. As soon as the layer is above the image/drawing, it is tracing, plain and simple. What’s important when you trace is 1. To not make profit out of it and 2. To not claim it as yours and ALWAYS give the original reference to give the credit to the one who made it first. For instance, you know those ready-to-make character poses on Pinterest? The grey ones, well they’re precisely made to trace their pose and reproduce it in your own canvas, that’s “good” tracing, yes. Because you learn the technique, anatomy and structure behind it. Different definitions of tracing depending on the website: Cambridge: a copy of a drawing or pattern made by drawing over it through a piece of thin, transparent paper: He made a tracing of the picture. Procreate: Tracing simply means that you're drawing over an existing image. Wikipedia: Tracing (art), copying an object or drawing, especially with the use of translucent tracing paper.
When I was a beginner digital artist, I did that and also used silhouettes to understand the anatomy well. As long as you dont overall trace the reference, ya good.
I do that to get a sense of the pose and then I use the shapes to translate it into my style. The "translation" part I usually do on the side with it to refer to rather than overlap in another layer.
YES. Its tracing because you're drawing over someone else's art. Its not tracing if its a photo of a real person (tracing isn't always bad!! It's only bad if you're said it's yours)
@@Zuzu-p8xbut they’re tracing overtop to get the pose??? It doesn’t matter that they didn’t trace the entire thing, they traced part of it. You can get the pose by looking at the desired pose next to it and copying where each part is with your eyes onto your own canvas. This is stealing.
@@scootie_scoot why is it stealing? It's understanding the pose, tf are they going to say, they copyrighted the pose? It's a pose, it's inspiration from another drawing of another artist who also got inspired by a pose they saw
@@Piriguin_aweoneke It would be inspiration if they had it as a picture of reference, but they’re DRAWING OVER IT. So they need to to credit the og artist.
Look, you can even do this, but I advise you to do this and redo it later so you don't run the risk of people accusing you of tracing, because then you'll just be deconstructing the drawing
Well, I may not be right but I think that is and not. Is tracing: you are tracing the pose, but if you were really tracing then you would trace the eyes, shirt, and etc. Not tracing: you aren’t stealing the whole style of the art, you are only tracing the pose, not the accessories, clothing, etc.
i feel like everyone here is forgetting 2 things 1. tracing isn't inherently negative 2. the possibility that this person ISN'T using this as a reference yes, this falls under the definition of tracing. tracing is neutral, stealing is not. if you don't redraw what you traced and use THAT sketch to go onto the finished work, you are stealing. if you shrank that traced sketch down and redrew it yourself, you're using a traced (neutral) drawing as a reference. tracing: yes stealing: not enough information
Thank you. I’m thinking a lot of these responses are from children, inexperienced, or non professional artists. Like your not supposed to use what you traced in your final work nor should you just blatantly draw over it? Unless it is strictly for practice or study. And even then I don’t believe it should be posted since it’s purely studies using another persons work.
I love the general message behind this post, but I do have to say, by definition this is not tracing. Tracing is the act of blatantly taking and copying the piece line for line which the artist isn't they're mapping out the body using anatomy guidelines.
Technically yes but there’s a series of questions you need to ask before you use another artists work for your own practice, profit or personal use. There’s moral and good-faith tracing, and then there’s tons of ways to do it in a less than positive way.
Technically no. Tracing something is a direct rip of the piece, utilizing each and every line and curve. What's being done here is mapping, utilizing shapes in place of where the body parts are so that they can shape their own version of the pose. While I know you're not condemning the practice, I'm offering a correction. By definition this is not tracing as tracing is a direct copy of the design.
@@bodypillowwaifu9941Tracing doesn't always mean copy of the direct art piece it can be any form, and in this case it is tracing still which isn't a bad thing, but the thing is after you get done mapping the art out or tracing you put that aside so that you can copy it without tracing, it's basic practice to do, that's why everyone tells you after you get done with it you have to learn to map it in your head so you aren't tracing others art for the rest of your life.
@@King_SillyNoobs Yes, it actually does mean that. The exact definition of the word Tracing is as follows : "a copy of a drawing, map, or design made by tracing it." In order to be tracing, you have to be doing a 1:1 trace over of the image underneath which isn't what's being done here. The artist is drawing their own shapes that differs substantially from the art piece, removing the art piece, and then using the body guidelines made by those shapes to piece together a similar pose without actually copying it. The design is also not being traced as it will likely be replaced with another character. So no. That's not tracing. I'd recommend you look into it a little more.
@@bodypillowwaifu9941 As a fellow artist I’ll have to disagree, I think tracing is tracing if you draw over another’s art in any way. You can trace and map simultaneously
@@King_SillyNoobs Artist here and no this is NOT tracing, this is what you would call deconstruction and it means what the name implies, your deconstructing the anatomy into shapes, simplifying so you can better understand how the anatomy works and how each one functions although this method works better with real people. There's two purpose for this. 1. it teaches artists how the anatomy works and 2. this is where artist would discover their art style or this is the part where they could develop it.
Anatomical study would imply using real pictures not someones else's art that is bound to have errors... Like for example on that piece the arm is stupidly long and the shoulders don't made a lot of sense not to mention the hips are wonky to begin with, tracing over that would be useless.
Tracing can be bad. But as long as you don’t say it’s yours. You can trace to learn or practice tracing still can be bad tho. (JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW)
yes. If you were referencing the pose you would have the original next to you and using it as a guide to draw your own original work, not drawing directly on top. Tracing is fine as long as you don’t share it and try to say it’s your own. It kinda worries me how many people think this is just referencing 😭
it is tracing, however, the way that you are doing it is REALLY good for developing skill and understanding!! ive done this before and it’s useful as an exercise it’s best to do this on actual pictures rather than artworks though, since artists like to alter things like proportions :)
I think it's called rotoscoping, it's fine if you do that! Just tracing the base/anatomy of something is fine! I always do that when I'm practicing anatomy!
Sort of but not really? It’s seems like you’re referencing a pose to get proportions right which is great for learning. I would recommend doing this to learn a new style but probably not for a piece of art you are going to claim as completely your own without giving credit to the artists art you sorta semi traced.
@@DaisyMeltin tracing is neutral. doing lineart on your own sketch is tracing because the definiton of tracing isn't "stealing someone's art" it's "going over an already drawn line" which could also be a line that you yourself drew!! why do you think tracing paper exists?? do you think it was made specifically for people to steal art? like what bro
@@DaisyMeltin mapping quite literally constitues the dictionary definition of tracing, because tracing has nothing to do with stealing. you CAN trace something that isn’t yours and steal it, but that’s not the only form or purpose of tracing. to map something, you have to trace it. to line your sketch, you have to trace it. to animate, you have to trace the previous frame. please look up the google definition of tracing, thank you
It is tracing since ur taking the pose but idk if they have a different section for it :) if its urs u don’t have to credit if u make an art outta it, if it isn’t u do, but if the artist said no one can trace or take their art even if they give creds (like Devil Bona) then u can’t :) I’m pretty sure
Its great to use it as a guide for learning! Butt if you wanna level up ur drawing skill, I really recommend taking a bit of free time to learn anatomy! :3
guys, this is considered tracing. however it just isn't as problematic. people were saying this could be listed as using a reference, but that's not true. it could be used as a reference if they put the guidelines they traced aside and used THOSE guidelines as a reference. at the end of the day, it still is tracing, just in a different way.
No this is tracing what isn't tracing is using the reference doing what you just did make it smaller and put it in the corner and try to copy it this is fine too but you will not be able to learn how to draw without tracing hope this helps💗💗💗
As long as you admit it's traced or a reference then I guess not but if you claim it as yours without telling others its traced then yeah this is copying
No, this is referencing. You're using the body as a base to find the underlayer, which is the skeleton (or sketch in this case) of the person in the picture. You're not claiming the art as your own, or even following it directly as an exact copy, just trying to find the proper posing. That isn't tracing, you're fine.
@@SKYLAR_Kaoriwell they kinda did make it then, they just sketched out the pose since they maybe cant draw someone in that pose. And they add their own stuff to it, its not the same art style. Its called refrencing and every artist does it even expierienced ones.
@@Mapleshade...this is not referencing they are straight up tracing the skeleton of someone else’s drawing…referencing would be having the original next to them and figuring it out while using the other as a REFERENCE.
@@Mapleshade... Referencing would be having the drawing at the side for inspiration, but this is tracing. They're drawing OVER another drawing, tracing. It's cool as long as they credit if they publish it.
Basically, tracing is when you straight up take an artwork and redo the same literal line in line. Tracing poses only or using reference is alright as long as youre arent copying it, or if the og artist is okay with it. Id recommend using poses of people instead of artworks itself because some people might get wrong ideas)
Even if some people count this as tracing. If you’re a beginner artist or digital artist or whatever. You can trace pictures to get used to how to draw like that. Like you shouldn’t say it’s ur art but tracing sometimes helps with drawing realistic or a person, animal, etc. (this is an advice I got from my sister who’s an professional artist and animator)
Yes! This is tracing. You are literally going over the pose but breaking it down into shapes. NOT A BAD THING THOUGH. Can we get of the stigma of tracing ONLY being line for line and that tracing is bad. IT ISN'T. Everyone does it. Don't try and say ''oh its not cause I do it for learning;'' ITS TRACING. BUT TRACING ISN'T ALWAYS A BAD THING RAHH. This frustrates me as due to how many art thiefs people ONLY view tracing as a bad thing and NOT learning tool. God.
@@k1tty_aw3 Yes. That's called tracing the shape. Tracing isn't going over *every* line to mirror/copy it, it can simply be poses as well as flow of movement. IT ISN'T BAD THOUGH. Tracing is used by everyone even professionals to understand shapes. You physically can't learn anatomy or flow by looking. You have to trace and break it down.
@@k1tty_aw3 It's recommended to do this, whether it just breaking and mapping out the shapes OR a 1 to 1 to learn and study an artist. Once again. Tracing isn't always a bad thing and it's get more and more frustrating when it's ONLY seen as that or if people are scared to study as ''oh ANY form tracing is bad'' WHICH HAPPENED TO THIS CREATOR bless their soul.
I would definitely credit if you traced a pose to create a drawing, especially if it's a pose from a drawing as opposed to a pose from an image. Referencing a pose is different. But here youre literally drawing on top of a drawing to build your structure. It's very much a grey area, but close enough that I would certainly say credit every time.
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Some people said it isn't but it was like a person (?) Idk how to explain it
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I just figured out that this is called mapping+?( I think its mentioned on one of the comments actually nvm I'm not sure anymore I'm getting confused, also I'm not doing these anymore I'm just gonna make my own pose and use reference
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It’s not because if it was tracing they’d directly trace the outline. You’re just taking the pose which isn’t bad
It ain't tracing- tbh I do it all the time to study the pose and all that to understand that basic structure so I'm sure ur all good 👍🏽
It is tracing, and theft, since you're using another artist's art, meaning they probs worked hard on the pose. But using like, some 3d free model or a base isn't considered theft. Or using the same technique only for practice.
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No, this is just like using a reference for a pose! Its a very common practice. As long as you aren't directly tracing the line art, id say you're good
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@@voidmarielI also agree with this, though I am a traditional artist I still use poses as reference or copy the pose completely!
Also if you do trace or take reference you sound always give credits to the original
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As an art student, this trick is something my drawing professor told us to use! But I always recommend doing it with pictures of real people since other drawings may have anatomical issues (it can happen, even to the best artist), or the anatomy may be altered due to aesthetic reasons (see, for example, drawing the eyes bigger). You have to learn real anatomy rules first, and then you can bend them :)
They don't want to draw realistic stuff
@Weird_ah_furry did you not read the comment? They literally just explained that people need to learn the rules of anatomy before they start stylizing it
@@Weird_ah_furry i think whether you wanna draw unrealistic stuff its still better to have a good understanding of basic human anatomy because its harder to unlearn your stylistic anatomy than to learn stylistic anatomy that you can do later anytime :)
Agreed. And if you block out someone from a photo, you can then use that knowledge to reblock it out in a stylized way.
Agreed. This is what I do when I have a very tricky pose I want to draw, but I use real people for the reference.
Nope. Tracing is literally taking every feature and tracing it. I do what u do all the time ♡
I do something like tracing but it's not I just take the pose
@@DeedeeOh-f2ias long as your not taking the details , hair (the colors are okay sometimes if you just like the palette but not if you trying to copy the art) I used to do this a lot too!
@@Thegremlinjasmin I don't I just take the pose
@@DeedeeOh-f2i there are many industry professionals who have gotten called out for "just taking the pose" If you're taking artwork someone else made, lowering the opacity, tracing over it, learning from it- cool. no problem there. if you're going further than that and trying to make it into something original, and posting it as your own with no credit to the original, that's tracing and it's not a good habit to encourage
No not really that’s mapping what you did so no defo not tracing
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I'm happy, because I was accused of tracing just because I took a reference for the pose 😔..
There is a very big difference between taking a reference and tracing over someone else's drawing.
No
For me, no it isnt. It's just you referencing the pose and i would often use this "trick" whenever i dont know how to draw a pose
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It’s not really tracing since you’re just getting the base of a body out of it, of course you have to credit the artists on the pose inspo, but other than that this isn’t tracing.
I agree! Tracing/mapping poses is fine but I would still credit the original artist for the pose!
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Yeah it's fine I do it all the time but remember to give credit when your mapping
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u cant own a pose.
Nope! Its actually really good for you art wise! Studying poses from other's drawings is really important and eventually you should be able to look at some poses and do them on your own! Also, please remember that tracing (as long as you dont claim the art as your own) can help you to understand what in that art really inspired you so that you can insert it in your own pieces! You're on a good track :D
I mean if you’re just tracing the basic shape then it’s fine since you’re using it for reference
i made this comment a year ago when i always traced references, just trace the basic shape and recreate that basic shape seperately
@Mewnax_ofcnope, that's mapping
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@Mewnax_ofc I had a stroke reading that the commas made it even harder😭😭
@Mewnax_ofcuhm- that was a little hard to read, I recommend to put commas then a space while writing, because it’s easier to read.
Note for beginner artists: Please study anatomy from real life examples before stylizing. It really helps.
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So, trace real life photos?
@@_Zarick_honestly, if you'll break them into basic shapes than yes, it's a good start
@@_Zarick_ Not tracing, DECONSTUCTING. You simplify the anatomy into shapes so you could have a better understanding how anatomy works and how each one functions
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as an anti tracer who's been drawing for some time, i always suggest this to beginner artists ! its typically described as using a reference pose and can help learn basic shapes when drawing anatomy :) its quite useful imo !! ^^
I'd say that ISN'T tracing, and you're just using it for pose reference, etc. I would only consider it tracing if you traced every single small detail on it, which isn't what you're doing. So, as far as I know, that's not tracing!
No, tracing would be copying line for line. You’re working out the structure of the character underneath, which is a great skill to have! :)
it's still tracing. And tracing is a really useful tool for learning art.
So many of the comments here are like yours. "It's not tracing, just (describes tracing)"
Tracing is good, you're probably saying it isn't because you think tracing is bad.
Most good artists trace to learn things.
But if you trace a pose like this, and put it in your own artwork with no changes. That's bad.
Do it to learn, not to create
@@hannanah8036 I just believe that there is a difference between tracing and deconstructing. This is deconstructing, and is a common way to learn anatomy and poses by “deconstructing” the reference into simpler shapes. Tracing, by its most commonly accepted definition, is intellectual property theft, where the original artists’ work is copied or “traced” by its exact lines, with minimal transformation.
@@hannanah8036 it isn't really tracing since the main focus on tracing is just following the lines? while this one isn't tho?
This is tracing the pose. It's fine for studying the artist if that's your goal, and depending on how much you divert from the pose when working further on the drawing, it might be ok to post online. The more changes you do on the initial pose, the better.
When a pose is very specific (like this one) it could be compared with the original work you used as reference, so I'd do a little disclaimer on the description of the post just in case.
@MavisDw nice to meet you, I'm an artist too, and I believe people are too used to demonizing the word "tracing" and using it as a synonym for "plagiarism", but tracing is an important learning resource for students, and also widely used in animation. But keeping things in the category of illustration, this is indeed tracing the pose-emphasis on "the pose". Since they're not tracing the lines, it doesn't fall into plagiarism.
Fr finally someone’s saying it!
@MavisDw It is tracing. Several other artists in a LOT of anatomy videos quite literally say this extra line 'Trace the pose whilst breaking it down into shapes' tracing ISN'T always a bad thing.
I dont really think its tracing but i would recommend drawing over it first and then going next to it and redrawing it without the art underneath, it'll help you get better at not needing to go over the reference at all and is great practice for anatomy and posing! ^°^
This is not copying, as an artist this is a art methid to breakdown the parts then u finalize it. Its basically the lart of anatomy or u can say human structure. This requires alot of skills i can say
As long as your only drawing the basics. tracing a pose can help you learn, but don’t trace the full art piece. Also you would learn a lot faster if you traced a real person a few times, then tried to replicate it on a blank piece.
I mean if your just using the pic to get the pose I wouldn’t call it like “tracing”
This isn’t tracing in the way we usually see on art theft, however, I’d not use this as a base for a finished drawing.
Tracing like this is actually a good practice, but this is just one step. Once you get the gist of the shapes, the next step would be to redraw them without tracing.
I’ll mention however, that professionals do use similar techniques on finished art generally for background. Let’s say a comic artist has to draw several panels with a complex cityscape, tracing photos or 3d models help cutting precious time in trying to figure perspective and shapes. People also use 3d models for posing characters and might even trace them, but I’m personally not much of a fan of this. Idk what others think on the subject (I myself don’t like much tracing for my work, though I have used it for general shapes of very complex background elements)
yeahhh that first part, that is what i do
Omg it’s so good ❤
Thought I should explain this (I feel like other people are getting this wrong)
So, yes this is tracing. But what is tracing? tracing is to follow or mark the course or position of something. (got this from the dictionary).
Now, is tracing necessarily a bad thing? No. Any artist (or any person) has traced, it's as simple as using a ruler to make a line.
As an artist, you should use tracing for:
- Understanding shapes
- Studying things (Anatomy, animals, etc.)
- Muscle memory
- General practice (e.g: shapes)
Why do others say it isn't tracing? people say that tracing is when you draw over someone's art and pretend it's yours.
(side note: I really recommend tracing over actual people to learn anatomy better.) (Also hope this made sense and helps anyone who needs it!!)
Thank you
A lot of people were saying it wasn't
It is but
It's the good type because it's being used to learn
Wasn’t really helpful because it was just saying the same thing everyone else was saying but with more words.
Thank you, this got me confused too! I can't believe some people just change terminologies all willy nilly
@@edorasmarauder5761 All the comments I see say that it isn't tracing though? (or at least the ones I saw) All i did was say it is tracing and explained what it was. Sorry if a made it more confusing, I didn't mean to T-T
@@edorasmarauder5761explaining things in more detail and elaborstion are typically considered helpful.
Of course not. This is called learning, you can learn posing by using someone's art as reference. I experienced these and I do not recommend posting any drawings with the same pose as others, so you don't get it trouble with other people. It's a good start to learn a bit of anatomy, witch will help you improve really much to start drawing poses and bodies on your own. Keep going 💪
Ah finally the voice of reason, yes this is just the training wheels for life drawing, the more you do it the less you need to see other art, all this credit the artist for pose is actually just marketing the fellow artist, if you got inspired even a little is showing some appreciation to the original source, but it's not an obligation when you're making these as a study piece. When you broadcast for everyone you set different rules. Any reference you gather can be sourced as a disclaimer on the video or just put in the description of the video, that is optional you don't need to cite you're sources it's just a courtesy to show professionalism and respect from where you got the inspiration.
If you study for yourself it's fine, don't film it.
If you film it for everyone on the internet, it's good to be respectful to the community.
tracing can be learning, in this case it is tracing but thats not a bad thing
Yes, it is drawing, but it is not necessarily bad and it is not a reason for hatred, because a person subsequently made the pose based on their knowledge and learning.
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@@Alejaxxdraa862 Usually, when the pose is too specific, it can count as a reason to hate. There are multiple ways of people hating. This is what we call humanity. It was just a recommendation tho.
This is useful for artists that doesn't know poses
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This is sooo true I’m sooo confused since my cousin told me that tracing a pose like what you did there was tracing but I told him that it’s just a reference 😭😭 (he is a professional artist too)
Artist here, this is a form of tracing but isn't technically that bad since you're only tracing the pose and not really the character itself.
@@JoanaMarieAvena Outlining is tracing, but it isn't a big deal as long as you aren't taking the whole character. Tracing poses is fine, tracing characters (unless it's for practice) is not.
@@JoanaMarieAvenait is tracing, it’s not bad.
@@Grimbaloo this isn’t tracing, many artists do this with photos of real people, and other drawings to have the proportions
@@blue-IMNOTINDENIALYOUAREit is tracing she is tracing over the lines to make guidelines though this is a form of tracing it isn’t bad because tracing in general is only bad under the context that no credit was given
yall. tracing doesn't automatically mean bad my god... she's tracing yes but jts not in a bad way. just because you see the word trace doesn't lways mean stealing or something bad
Tracing is more like when you trace the lines themselves that you can see, but you just mapped out the pose :)! It is a very practical learning tool, actually
Erm no
Erm yes
NO!! I do that all the time bc im still in practice of advanced poses!! I sometimes take pictures of myself in a pose and trace over it the way you did in this vid!! Tracing is also ok too!! Its how i myself learned to draw, actually! Just make sure to credit and take it down if the og artist asks!! This form lf tracing is pretty common with some newer or practicing artists!! Ive been drawing since i was ~2-3. I can say for sure this isnt exact tracing as long as you try to give credit to bases and such!!
I always get the shapes but I suck at details, I don’t really know how to use procreate all the way, like how do people make the other layer faint as they trace it?
On layers have one layer over the one you tracing and the layer you are doing the trace will be the one you will change the Opacity to your liking click on “N” and change the Opacity
yes but the good kind of tracing. the kind that’s helpful.
yea technically tracing, but it's for more of a reference purpose than copying here so it's fine imo. Can be useful when used like this!
Only downside is most artists don't like their art used for refs, so i try sticking to other sources personally lol.
I wouldn’t say it is
You’re just using it as reference for anatomy/posing
Know your definitions lil bro
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This is absolutely not tracing! This is a great way to learn anatomy of you struggle with it and it’s just mapping
I used to do this when I was in middle school, then I found a poser app. I suggest you get one. This will prevent you from getting in trouble as some artists don't like their arts to be used as a reference.
What is that app? I need it
Which poser app do you use? Would u recommend it?
Hey, I've done digital art for
7 years now. This isn't tracing!
Tracing is when you take the outline of an image and call it your own. You are using the picture as a reference to draw basic shapes from it.
Down the line, you can use a reference picture and draw a "copy" of it to the side of the photo. Not on it, that would be tracing. This will help you get a grip of perspective and proportions faster! Once you understand the fundamentals of this, you won't need to use a photo reference as much.
You can just draw what you see in your head. :)
Referencing is when its on the side and you try to copy it off, tracing is when you have the drawing beneath
it doesn’t matter if its basic shapes, you still have the drawing beneath. If you don’t post it its fine, you just try to draw but otherwise if you dont give credit its tracing
what if i trace some of the features but for the sketch but not all of them? Is that tracing?
@@skyeecrazee It still is
@PizzaHut1331 ???
If someone posts it, its tracing.
You are painting over someones art, that means it isnt YOUR original idea.
Referencing is when the art work is on the side, and you try to copy it.
Tracing is when you have the drawing beneath, for it to be tracing it has to get posted - though.
In social media tracing is different.. But im saying that painting over someone’s art is tracing. I mean, imagine you draw the Mona Lisa, and you just draw it off having it under your paper.
Or as example you copy your parents signature, for that most people use their parents signature under the paper of as example an exam or something like that.
Please inform yourself a bit:)
Hope this helped a bit more.
@PizzaHut1331 Practice is different from posting or showing your artwork, but we weren’t even talking about that I think , but im not sure so please correct me!
By the way I think your kinda right but only if you then dont immediately draw over it but practice and practice.
Also isnt learning anatomy more like learning where body parts are?
As someone who used to trace body poses I think ur fine as ur not directly copying the art just the pose :D
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Sort of but it’s mostly fine, it’s a great way to improve or really help to get difficult poses down, what would help even more is if after you did the “traced” version of the pose you redrew what you ended up with without the help of the original reference, it helps a lot with muscle memory and anatomy
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Yes. That’s not a bad thing, it’s tracing to understand form. It’s still tracing. I would definitely credit if you ever did this and posted it somewhere but that similar to crediting for heavily referencing another person’s drawing.
Even if it was tracing! Just respect the artist you use and get better 💜 one day you’ll have people inspired by your work as well💜‼️
personally, I'd just not post pieces that heavily rely on tracing (though they're definitely good practice). but in this case, every artist uses an amalgamation of different aspects of other pieces to create new things. youre fine fosho. :) typically id just ref a stock photo or something though
It's like, tracing for a reference, not actually copying the art itself
Its not tracing as long as you give credits. ❤ BTW I luv your art! 🎨🎉
It's not tracing, but if someone still traces w or w'out credits, that's still tracing😭.
@@ReesakelseyAbellanosa yeah this is not tracing in general like people who do realism reference a photo or trace over the shape, but that’s not tracing because you’re not just drawing over the entire thing
@@D3v-nub3 yh I know what tracing is, what I was trying to say, even if someone was tracing smth with or without credits it would still be tracing because the comment or said "it's not tracing as long as you give credits".
@@ReesakelseyAbellanosa I didn’t mean to@ u mb
@@D3v-nub3 ohh ok
its fine 😊as long as the original artist is okay with it
Personally I would be fine with this, as long as credit is given to whoever created the original pose. Credit only for the pose of course, but still. I would try your own hand at it eventually too, because relying on this method forever won't keep building your skills.
Pose theft isn't a thing and there's no real way to know who created the "original pose" because what if the other artist used a reference from someone else and so on? This is a lil silly. Might as well just credit the art you used as reference if heavily inspired but nobody credits poses.
The human body can only bend so many ways. You shouldn’t have to give credit for drawing a pose
oh brother not the pose theft thing again
I think they meant crediting the artist for the drawing not the pose
No one owns a pose.😊
Its not really tracing its inspiration also it will help you to do different poses!
Your going over someones drawing and the pose THEY drew and THEIR composition. If you’re just using it for a study on anatomy and you’re not posting it then it’s ok. But if you use their drawing as your own base then yes, it is tracing.
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No no no, you can’t own a pose or a composition. Master studies are done all the time, and loads of media references or even wholly reconstructs other media. See breath of the wild riffing off castle in the sky, Metroid referencing alien. All kinds of stuff.
Art is organic and art inspires art. As long as it’s a starting point and not the finished piece that’s just process. Talking otherwise is getting all kinds of purist and is toxic af
@@rinoapageno but this is not just a pose this is tracing a drawing
As long as you don't steal the whole thing your good, it is good for learning poses
Well, I’d say it’s tracing, since you’re also using the same proportions for the bodyparts, making the character look quite similar. It’s useful for learning how to align everything and how the limbs should interact, but it’s probably better to use the traced pose as a reference for drawing a new pose.
Artist here, no its not tracing, this is something you would call deconstruction, and it means what the name implies, you're deconstructing the anatomy into shapes, its a good way to practice anatomy although its recommended to use this method on real people
@@socriabbas454deconstruction is a form of tracing. i doubt any art teacher would say tracing it’s involved. using a deconstruction of someones art as a base for a finished illustration would generally be considered art theft.
many things are ok as private practice but not as public work.
It's not tracing, the linart at the end will look too different. You can even take a picture of yourself and use it as reference.
@@soldiaz7261 No deconstruction is something else, it's not form of tracing. Tracing is just blatantly following the lines. I'm deconstruction your simplifying the pose into shapes. This is highly recommended if you use real life people as reference.
@@socriabbas454 Artist here. If you are lowering the opacity of an image in order to trace over it then that's tracing.
I agree, deconstruction is very useful. And I like to deconstruct peoples' work like this. But in private. As practice. Never would I draw on top of those deconstructions and then claim they're mine. Because that borders on art theft. Please do not encourage this.
That’s called blocking and it’s used to study
it's still tracing and it's not harmless because she's going to trace the pose to make a drawing and say that she was the one who did it
Then they should be using actual pictures of real people instead of the flawed art of someone else's
In the end you just end up replicating someone else's mistakes by using other people's art.
Not at all! Even I do that to help map out where certain limbs and stuff are when I draw them. Helps me visualize clearer :>
No! If you’re not specifically drawing over the lines and you’re just using the body as a reference it’s totally fine! >
I would recomend keeping the picture on a different tab and drawing what you see instead of drawing direcly over the picture. Will help you overall in a lot of different skills and keep you away from any tracing doubts!
Thank god this ain’t tracing bc I do this sometimes and I always feel like i did a crime or smt😭
I wouldn’t exactly call it tracing, it’s more like you used it as a reference?
It is drawing directly on top of it tho. I think referencing would be more having it off to the side and looking at it instead of actually drawing over top.
It's kind of a moral grey area. My answer is that it's acceptable but if you're ever drawing on top of something, even if it's just to build a structure for your own original drawing, then you need to credit. There's just so much stylistic stuff that already happens in even just the base structures of a drawing that even taking just the base structures can be kind of taking from that artist on its own, in some ways.
This is just my opinion though. I think It's really complicated.
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This type of tracing can help you learn your own style of art; implementing the other’s art into it. And it can also be helpful in ways like learn how to get a grasp on how to draw correctly. Anatomy and all that stuff.
This is like one the best ways to reference body posing, so its not tracing
It’s tracing, but the good tracing. The tracing where you draw shapes to simplify a form/pose so that you can reproduce it better. The wrong kind of tracing is tracing over the lines. In both cases, you need to give the reference.
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its mapping not tracing.... tracing is nothing like this ngl there's no good or bad tracing?
@@sunshineforro565 Learn how to read, I know what tracing is and this is still tracing no matter if you change the word or not ❤️
@@Alphabetwillbet you know what tracing is yet you clarify that there is good and wrong tracing? how about mapping? do you know mapping?
plus the "good tracing" you're describing is not tracing btw its gesture and construction drawing 💖💖
@@sunshineforro565 You’re dense? Tracing is drawing above another drawing/image, the way you do it doesn’t matter, what matters is that you are in fact drawing above something else than your own drawing/canvas. Whether you are simply tracing the anatomy (which is learning) or tracing the lines of the drawing doesn’t change much other than the first one isn’t stealing but learning.
You keep saying “mapping” but I can’t find any definition of that anywhere, it doesn’t mean anything to “map” a drawing. Construction drawing implies a blank canvas and a reference on the side. As soon as the layer is above the image/drawing, it is tracing, plain and simple. What’s important when you trace is 1. To not make profit out of it and 2. To not claim it as yours and ALWAYS give the original reference to give the credit to the one who made it first. For instance, you know those ready-to-make character poses on Pinterest? The grey ones, well they’re precisely made to trace their pose and reproduce it in your own canvas, that’s “good” tracing, yes. Because you learn the technique, anatomy and structure behind it.
Different definitions of tracing depending on the website:
Cambridge: a copy of a drawing or pattern made by drawing over it through a piece of thin, transparent paper: He made a tracing of the picture.
Procreate: Tracing simply means that you're drawing over an existing image.
Wikipedia: Tracing (art), copying an object or drawing, especially with the use of translucent tracing paper.
When I was a beginner digital artist, I did that and also used silhouettes to understand the anatomy well. As long as you dont overall trace the reference, ya good.
I do that to get a sense of the pose and then I use the shapes to translate it into my style. The "translation" part I usually do on the side with it to refer to rather than overlap in another layer.
YES. Its tracing because you're drawing over someone else's art. Its not tracing if its a photo of a real person (tracing isn't always bad!! It's only bad if you're said it's yours)
they're just getting the pose, not tracing the whole design.
@@Zuzu-p8xbut they’re tracing overtop to get the pose??? It doesn’t matter that they didn’t trace the entire thing, they traced part of it. You can get the pose by looking at the desired pose next to it and copying where each part is with your eyes onto your own canvas. This is stealing.
@@scootie_scoot why is it stealing? It's understanding the pose, tf are they going to say, they copyrighted the pose? It's a pose, it's inspiration from another drawing of another artist who also got inspired by a pose they saw
@@Zuzu-p8x It still is tracing, by definition…
@@Piriguin_aweoneke It would be inspiration if they had it as a picture of reference, but they’re DRAWING OVER IT. So they need to to credit the og artist.
Look, you can even do this, but I advise you to do this and redo it later so you don't run the risk of people accusing you of tracing, because then you'll just be deconstructing the drawing
Its ok if u credit them and dont trace everything i think:) this is fine
Well, I may not be right but I think that is and not.
Is tracing: you are tracing the pose, but if you were really tracing then you would trace the eyes, shirt, and etc.
Not tracing: you aren’t stealing the whole style of the art, you are only tracing the pose, not the accessories, clothing, etc.
i feel like everyone here is forgetting 2 things
1. tracing isn't inherently negative
2. the possibility that this person ISN'T using this as a reference
yes, this falls under the definition of tracing. tracing is neutral, stealing is not. if you don't redraw what you traced and use THAT sketch to go onto the finished work, you are stealing. if you shrank that traced sketch down and redrew it yourself, you're using a traced (neutral) drawing as a reference.
tracing: yes
stealing: not enough information
Agreed!!
Thank you. I’m thinking a lot of these responses are from children, inexperienced, or non professional artists. Like your not supposed to use what you traced in your final work nor should you just blatantly draw over it? Unless it is strictly for practice or study. And even then I don’t believe it should be posted since it’s purely studies using another persons work.
I love the general message behind this post, but I do have to say, by definition this is not tracing. Tracing is the act of blatantly taking and copying the piece line for line which the artist isn't they're mapping out the body using anatomy guidelines.
Technically yes but there’s a series of questions you need to ask before you use another artists work for your own practice, profit or personal use. There’s moral and good-faith tracing, and then there’s tons of ways to do it in a less than positive way.
Technically no. Tracing something is a direct rip of the piece, utilizing each and every line and curve. What's being done here is mapping, utilizing shapes in place of where the body parts are so that they can shape their own version of the pose. While I know you're not condemning the practice, I'm offering a correction. By definition this is not tracing as tracing is a direct copy of the design.
@@bodypillowwaifu9941Tracing doesn't always mean copy of the direct art piece it can be any form, and in this case it is tracing still which isn't a bad thing, but the thing is after you get done mapping the art out or tracing you put that aside so that you can copy it without tracing, it's basic practice to do, that's why everyone tells you after you get done with it you have to learn to map it in your head so you aren't tracing others art for the rest of your life.
@@King_SillyNoobs Yes, it actually does mean that. The exact definition of the word Tracing is as follows : "a copy of a drawing, map, or design made by tracing it."
In order to be tracing, you have to be doing a 1:1 trace over of the image underneath which isn't what's being done here. The artist is drawing their own shapes that differs substantially from the art piece, removing the art piece, and then using the body guidelines made by those shapes to piece together a similar pose without actually copying it. The design is also not being traced as it will likely be replaced with another character. So no. That's not tracing. I'd recommend you look into it a little more.
@@bodypillowwaifu9941 As a fellow artist I’ll have to disagree, I think tracing is tracing if you draw over another’s art in any way. You can trace and map simultaneously
@@King_SillyNoobs Artist here and no this is NOT tracing, this is what you would call deconstruction and it means what the name implies, your deconstructing the anatomy into shapes, simplifying so you can better understand how the anatomy works and how each one functions although this method works better with real people. There's two purpose for this. 1. it teaches artists how the anatomy works and 2. this is where artist would discover their art style or this is the part where they could develop it.
Tracing is copying the entire artwork line by line. This, on the other hand is breaking down the figure into shapes to understand the form better !
Yes, but it’s the good kind of tracing! It helps you practice making good poses and helps you figure out how terrain body parts are shaped
It is tracing, but it's for Anatomical studdies, so it's not wrong
Anatomical study would imply using real pictures not someones else's art that is bound to have errors...
Like for example on that piece the arm is stupidly long and the shoulders don't made a lot of sense not to mention the hips are wonky to begin with, tracing over that would be useless.
Your not the only one confused😭
No, but definitely credit the artist to avoid any issues
GUYS THIS IS LITERALLY TRACING, BUT tracing doesn’t have to be a bad thing it’s useful for new artists
Gorl traceing is bad she is getting the pose only not every detail about it 💀
Tracing isn’t bad, as long as the original artist gives full permission and you give credits.
Tracing can be bad. But as long as you don’t say it’s yours. You can trace to learn or practice tracing still can be bad tho. (JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW)
@@mayleanLiebe Thats what I was trying to say, but you phrased it better lol
yes. If you were referencing the pose you would have the original next to you and using it as a guide to draw your own original work, not drawing directly on top. Tracing is fine as long as you don’t share it and try to say it’s your own. It kinda worries me how many people think this is just referencing 😭
How do you do this anyway? I just got my art tablet today and I'm still learning all the controls! 😊
no its not, this is when ur simplifying complex poses into basic shapes which is good practice for anatomy!
But it's still tracing and it's not harmless because she's going to trace the pose to make a drawing and say that she was the one who did it
I think they're tracing the pose to use as a reference
Referencing is when its on the side and you try to copy it off, tracing is when you have the drawing beneath.
@@mizuchel i mean they're tracing the basic shapes to use as a reference
@@Ilov3ch33s33 How are supposed to know?
But what they are doing in what we see, its not basic shapes its tracing line art with guiding lines.
Yeah
Not really tracing because you didnt traced the clothes that much ( What you did in this vid is good for practicing poses due to anatomy )
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@@voidmariel using it as a reference for poses is fine tho because it can help improve your art
it is tracing, however, the way that you are doing it is REALLY good for developing skill and understanding!! ive done this before and it’s useful as an exercise
it’s best to do this on actual pictures rather than artworks though, since artists like to alter things like proportions :)
I think it's called rotoscoping, it's fine if you do that! Just tracing the base/anatomy of something is fine! I always do that when I'm practicing anatomy!
I don’t know why but even ur tracing looks good, you clearly understand the concept of art
Sort of but not really? It’s seems like you’re referencing a pose to get proportions right which is great for learning. I would recommend doing this to learn a new style but probably not for a piece of art you are going to claim as completely your own without giving credit to the artists art you sorta semi traced.
This is called mapping. Tracing is like stealing art and copying the entire thing. In this case your using it for reference
@@DaisyMeltin tracing is neutral. doing lineart on your own sketch is tracing because the definiton of tracing isn't "stealing someone's art" it's "going over an already drawn line" which could also be a line that you yourself drew!! why do you think tracing paper exists?? do you think it was made specifically for people to steal art? like what bro
@@selenite3890 I have no clue of what I just read from you but mapping and tracing isn’t the same
@@DaisyMeltin mapping quite literally constitues the dictionary definition of tracing, because tracing has nothing to do with stealing. you CAN trace something that isn’t yours and steal it, but that’s not the only form or purpose of tracing. to map something, you have to trace it. to line your sketch, you have to trace it. to animate, you have to trace the previous frame. please look up the google definition of tracing, thank you
@@DaisyMeltin It's obvious you don't have any clue of what they said because you have no clue of what you're talking about…
It is tracing since ur taking the pose but idk if they have a different section for it :) if its urs u don’t have to credit if u make an art outta it, if it isn’t u do, but if the artist said no one can trace or take their art even if they give creds (like Devil Bona) then u can’t :) I’m pretty sure
It's REFRENCEing it
@@glamorouskweenoncloud9 yea but if you use it as a reference and it’s not yours it’s considered tracing :)
@_Kaiis_ yeah I'm stupid guy it's not bad
@@glamorouskweenoncloud9 oh-
Its great to use it as a guide for learning! Butt if you wanna level up ur drawing skill, I really recommend taking a bit of free time to learn anatomy! :3
Just give credits to the person body drawing
guys, this is considered tracing. however it just isn't as problematic.
people were saying this could be listed as using a reference, but that's not true.
it could be used as a reference if they put the guidelines they traced aside and used THOSE guidelines as a reference.
at the end of the day, it still is tracing, just in a different way.
It’s called mapping 😅
this isnt tracing..
@@submersion it's tracing.
@@China_loves_russia_as_a_friend it would be considered mapping if once they TRACED over the guidelines, they use what they trace as a reference
@@odysseyonawhim its not 😭😭😭
The way I screamed “Robin!” Bc of the hair, eyes, hand positioning and flowers lmao, I’m 99.99% sure that’s Nico Robin
It is she has straw hat tattoo
No this is tracing what isn't tracing is using the reference doing what you just did make it smaller and put it in the corner and try to copy it this is fine too but you will not be able to learn how to draw without tracing hope this helps💗💗💗
As long as you admit it's traced or a reference then I guess not but if you claim it as yours without telling others its traced then yeah this is copying
Stop is that robin?
And no your not tracing🥰
That’s what I thought when I saw the pose
No, this is referencing. You're using the body as a base to find the underlayer, which is the skeleton (or sketch in this case) of the person in the picture. You're not claiming the art as your own, or even following it directly as an exact copy, just trying to find the proper posing. That isn't tracing, you're fine.
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But it's still tracing and it's not harmless because she's going to trace the pose to make a drawing and say that she was the one who did it
@@SKYLAR_Kaoriwell they kinda did make it then, they just sketched out the pose since they maybe cant draw someone in that pose.
And they add their own stuff to it, its not the same art style. Its called refrencing and every artist does it even expierienced ones.
@@Mapleshade...this is not referencing they are straight up tracing the skeleton of someone else’s drawing…referencing would be having the original next to them and figuring it out while using the other as a REFERENCE.
@@Mapleshade... Referencing would be having the drawing at the side for inspiration, but this is tracing. They're drawing OVER another drawing, tracing. It's cool as long as they credit if they publish it.
Omg girl I do the same thing and I always kinda feel bad since I'm new to digital art but I don't think it's tracing
Basically, tracing is when you straight up take an artwork and redo the same literal line in line. Tracing poses only or using reference is alright as long as youre arent copying it, or if the og artist is okay with it. Id recommend using poses of people instead of artworks itself because some people might get wrong ideas)
That’s using a reference as long as you aren’t directly copying/just up and tracing the art it’s fine. Poses are so difficult
If your just useing it for a body then no not really, if you traced the design then yes
Even if some people count this as tracing. If you’re a beginner artist or digital artist or whatever. You can trace pictures to get used to how to draw like that. Like you shouldn’t say it’s ur art but tracing sometimes helps with drawing realistic or a person, animal, etc. (this is an advice I got from my sister who’s an professional artist and animator)
Yes! This is tracing. You are literally going over the pose but breaking it down into shapes. NOT A BAD THING THOUGH. Can we get of the stigma of tracing ONLY being line for line and that tracing is bad. IT ISN'T. Everyone does it. Don't try and say ''oh its not cause I do it for learning;'' ITS TRACING. BUT TRACING ISN'T ALWAYS A BAD THING RAHH. This frustrates me as due to how many art thiefs people ONLY view tracing as a bad thing and NOT learning tool. God.
She’s breaking it down until easier shape to draw it better and she’s not gonna trace over for it. She’s just going to use it as a reference.
@@k1tty_aw3 Yes. That's called tracing the shape. Tracing isn't going over *every* line to mirror/copy it, it can simply be poses as well as flow of movement. IT ISN'T BAD THOUGH. Tracing is used by everyone even professionals to understand shapes. You physically can't learn anatomy or flow by looking. You have to trace and break it down.
@@itskatplayz ok you think what you want to 🧐
@@k1tty_aw3 It's recommended to do this, whether it just breaking and mapping out the shapes OR a 1 to 1 to learn and study an artist. Once again. Tracing isn't always a bad thing and it's get more and more frustrating when it's ONLY seen as that or if people are scared to study as ''oh ANY form tracing is bad'' WHICH HAPPENED TO THIS CREATOR bless their soul.
It is referencing.
This helps you learn how to properly do body shapes!
So, not really. No.
I would definitely credit if you traced a pose to create a drawing, especially if it's a pose from a drawing as opposed to a pose from an image. Referencing a pose is different. But here youre literally drawing on top of a drawing to build your structure. It's very much a grey area, but close enough that I would certainly say credit every time.
That ain't tracing you're just getting the pose❤