William Gumede on ‘GNU’, SOEs, Cyril Ramaphosa, GNU economics, ANC v DA v MK v EFF
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In today’s episode, we are joined by Prof William Gumede who was the Chairperson of the MultiParty Charter of South Africa & is the Founder of Democracy Works Foundation. He joins us on this episode to discuss the ‘GNU’ coalition, the economy, President Ramaphosa , opposition politics & much more!
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Thanks for being here. Another perspective to consider from Prof Gumede. Subscribe and help us get to 200K subs. 😄🔥
Despite some disrespectful remarks by viewers I have a sense that we should respect the wisdom of this man. After all he is not a prof for no reason. His discussion was quite insightful and perhaps instructive to politicians.
Your channel is getting increasingly leftist and communist. I supported the channel in the earlier days for its non biased view but now clearly you are very biased towards leftist idealogy. With regret I am unsubscribing
@@runningman2989 I really think you should subscribe and pay attention. This is what I call a “balanced left” view - at least it’s not just pure rhetoric and much of the analysis is spot on. How else does one understand the other side of the coin short of the lunatic fringe? eg malema and AWB
@@alanyoung-pugh832 they praise Malema and the EFF and MK in some recent videos I have seen while bad mouthing the DA.
Every time I tune to your podcast Dr S I become more informed.Thanks broer for your time.
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“If you lack confidence as a leader you are going to fall into victimhood, you are going to blame others and you are not going to take responsibility”
Never a truer word spoken and never a true word more ignored.
Bravo! I have been watching tons of these types of talks over the years and I must say this is one of the best I have ever seen on these topics. I can see why they would rope Prof Gumede into negotiations. He is like the wise and respected adult in the room of emotional self absorbed teenagers. An extremely well informed pragmatic and deep thinker. A much needed elixir to the discourse of our time. I think our current crop of public figures can learn a great deal here. Set aside your ego and ideology for the sake of what is actually best for the country and the people. This is not only true for politicians but I believe for the public as well. We should take our country to our place on the world stage as a shining example of the strength of diversity by embracing our commonality. We can do it!
Sometimes the softly spoken gentleman in the background is actually the real powerhouse. Its a pity Prof Gumede does not want to be part of politics. He would make a excellent leader!
You don’t mess around Sizwe. Another high quality guest and interview
Prof W Gumede is one person the that should be a major player in that ..Ministry of Planning, monitoring and whatever..and should be listened to..and his suggestion and inputs implemented..
Genius Prof. I really really really like when you said, "A state owned entity requires a higher level of competence, than a private sector firm". It made sense. Enlightening stuff.
Really amazing conversation! Great insights from the Prof! Reminds me of the conversation you had with Dr. Somadoda Fikeni.
Hi Sizwe, thank you for inviting the good professor to you show. Tonight I'm in school, I learned so much from William Gumede,his wisdom and insight amazed me, I must commend you for your choice of guest.
I think SM is left leaning but he does get different views in his show and I think he is well intended. He is intelligent and exposed to different points of view. I think he values intellectual integrity.
😢With RESPECT 😢Nonsense 💔✊🏿❤️
i agree brother, he lecture us to look to japan, singapore, norway for economic model. nonsense - as EFF we must be careful & stay with our friends cuba, russia, venezuela
@@lm_b5080you like poverty, chaos and destruction
Why ?
@@lm_b5080 Hahaha! Each of those countries is utterly fucked in completely different ways.
I disgree with him when he labels other parties "Anti constitution" when they are call for African values to be the basis of the constitution, economics and way of life. We are struggling because we based our constitution & economics on the Roman-Dutch law and the Uk, why? I call upon all academics to learn about pre colonial Afrikan as much as they have learned about post colonial Afrika then build system based on Afrikan values but also that can link with the global world. That is all we "anti constitutionals" are calling for.
What exactly is African values, living like kings looking down on women ? tell me this isn't it where are these African values written is it organised , pls refer me and all of us to the literature because that will not solve our issues , probably will make it much worse, these ideas by Dr Hlope ? hence you have this comment I guess but we do not know African law ? right is it zulu law khoisan lay , venda law is it where they share common, pls stop talking thing you don'tfully understand just because you want african law
@@colinpp123 We have Afrikan Knowledge Systems as a research area well documented in all South African Universities. What is the use of that if its not applied? Patriarchy is a Roman-Dutch principle, not African. That is the reason in SA we only have kings, kgosi le kgosigadi (A King & a Woman King) . There is more good than bad in indigenous systems, we can adapt them as much as we like, as long as botho is central. In culture & traditions, we have more in common than differences, that is why customery law applies to everyone, a good example of how traditional values can standardized. Paganism was standardized, that is why you have days of the week being named after Norse & Greek gods, rather worship Greeks than Africans right?
@@katlegomohajane1588 still nothing concrete and the last thing we want to become is like lesotho with all due respect , we should stop this bs of thinking anything non african is bad what advantages and disadvantages will this new african law bring ? exactly south africans are living in a world where "white" is bad "african" whatever that means is good again do not think having a brand new african law system which is different from knowledge systems suddenly benefits us for the better , and we do not have time to be a guinea pig of 'african values" assuming it will work , the chances are we will hit our head hard ( as history suggest will happen) we can integrate this so called "african values" ( which again values should come from something like religion) not from tribalistic values again tribes in south africa do not have same values , lets not try to imply this will fix anything in south africa , and can again make things much worse and as a society regress us so do not know why this is a topic,
@@katlegomohajane1588 more good than bad ? who's opinion yours ?, lesotho has a system like that and it leaves most people poor except the king,yeah I live in africa we know how women a treated in most african traditions , lets focus on the current system and adapt it not think an african system will fix anything without providing evidence where it worked ,and inventing the wheel do not think is a good approach ,just having opinion and theories about it being better ?
You are a joke. The Europeans have done a lot of bad things, but the Africans didn't even have a writing system when they arrived here. The law was by word of mouth. If you look at the volume of information that has been recorded in Roman-Dutch law, where is the equivalent information in African law? Are you suggesting a sangoma must be in charge of every criminal case instead of a magistrate or a judge?
I really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you.
My teacher on Sunday Time paper ever Sunday i knew nothing about governance but by constant reading his article he has enlightened me
Ngiyabonga Simamane
I love the diversity of viewpoints. Don’t give it up even if you are clearly not in favour of the interviewee or their views.
Ah finally, a legitimate guest who has something constructive to share, living in the 21st century.
Great episode! Switched off my dstv and broadcast this episode from my tv. Thanks for the perspective.
Great interview. Thank You. 👏
Our country need strong socialist economy with a flavour of capitalism. Not the current strong capitalist economy with a flavour of socialism. There are many reasons why my choice. What professor is saying is the strong capitalist economy with flavour of socialism. There is lot I can motivate why my choice. The issue is that we have minerals and other natural resources that should benefit the lot not few individuals
look to scandinavia or france as the most successful examples of a strong safety net for people alongside strong economy. i have a swedish friend who receives €1500 p/month for 1 year because she is pursuing entrepreneurship
socialist economy are you real ? where in the world did it work ? not china hence they have moved more to capitalist nation , they are not purely socialist if they were they would be dirt poor , other than china no more examples right , just failures of socialist nations , you want to ignore history , or think south africa is a unicorn where it will work I do not understand why choose socialism pls name one country where it worked
Fascinating discussion. Txs to the good Prof.
Finally, there is a guest who espouses common sense, thank goodness. Prof Gumede says "The reason countries set up state-owned entities is when no-one else can do the job, or in critical areas where the private sector will not enter because it is too risky. If the private sector already delivers efficiently there is no need for a state-owned company in those areas".
Two brilliant minds. I have a book written by prof gumede on thabo mbeki.
Title please
Ouldin't agree more.
@@davidscrooby2461Mbeki and the battle of the soul for the ANC
Instead of this guy being an academic/at prof level, he's busy rurgugitating nonsense like non-constitutionalists/GNU, repeating after his illiterate handlers such as that matriculant.
Very true
We can see who's illiterate in this conversation.
How do u justify a system that results in the greatest INEQUALITY?!
The inequality is caused by unemployment, largely caused by a government that doesn't understand a free market economy.
Please For safety reasons please don't vote GNU again please 🙏
Is the Constitution suitable for South Africans? If so, what are the fruits of the Constitution?
Doesn't matter if it's fruitful or not. It's what the people want
The fact that you can openly critique the gov and the constitution without fear is in itself a "fruit"
@@kingdomqueensministries6603 when Sizwe likes your comment then you know he doesnt understand the constitution
My English is already weak, I only hear swi si swi shi swi si si swhi.
Eish 😢. Sorry bro
Good point about SACP and Cosatu needing to break away from the ANC. However they should have done it in 1994. Not only would they have offered a strong oppisition to the ANC but they also would not been entrenched with the corrupt ANC. However they had many chances to split. Even in the Mbeki and Zuma years but they have become so corrupt that to leave the ANC would destroy them
Strong Afrikaans accent
I would be interested in knowing where he graduated from from lower degree up to his doctorate
He was born on 11 July 1970 in South Africa. He is one of seven siblings, raised, mostly on the Cape Flats, by a single-mom. He lives in Johannesburg but has also lived in Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom.
What does prof mean by 'anti constitutionalists parties' whom is he referring?
If you can't figure that out then it's best you get a refund for your parents on your school fees
@@AndrewMcFarlane_1 Sick burn bro, that'll teach that guy from asking a question again!
We know who is he referring to,,,,the vanguards,,real liberators,,r called just that😂😂anti constitutionalists,,,,,,it's so sad,,,bcz with the "best" constitution in the world,,SA is still the number 1 country with highest inequality😂,,,now go figure,,,,the so called constitution was drafted to protect,,perpetuate the interests of Whiteness&privilege,,,,it has to be changed ,period,,,,,also u don't ask or negotiate for ur freedom,,u demand&take it,,,,,,,,
You know exactly who he is referring to.
Love this man. Truly the hero we need.
Please try to bring Professor Lushaba
I like how the Doc lets his guest say whats on their minds without interjecting every second
You've been watching too much videos of speakers in parliament. What the EFF does is not normal!
@@ulricgordon8586 what are you on about, cause I'm referring to other podcasters
Party politics is over We need one man one vote ai would like to vote for my own president I never wanted Ramaphosa
Size, can you please engage the debate on miss SA, on weather legality or heritage makes you a citizen...
Another problem is that south african politicians are liberation leaders. We need fresh educated politicians and bureaucrats
Ikepitalisi leli
very informative, great show
Thank you for interview SMWX.
The less said abt uProfy the better...klk private companies are ran by robots (they're soo perfect)... Aphinde azekelise nge China...imbono zabanye abantu are just a pipe dream, hai cha shame
Discussion of ideas! 🙌🔥
Still watching, but observation #1: EFF's "unreliability" is the reason why they are not in government
Is this not too simplistic? I wonder how EFF would respond to that.
also still watching and got the same. I think there were more reasons DA didn't want EFF than unreliability .
I'll help you... EFF is not only unreliable but also its leaders are corrupt
The EFF hate’s white people, white skins. Many of the small minority of whites vote DA. It’s not rocket science to understand nor surprising.
On the ACDP, I think what turns SAn's off is the leader, the party and it's Leader seem to be in direct conflict with their own beliefs and systems. It all seems to revolve around one individual. Great interview Sizwe, as always.
This is God's work
Amen
Can MHOFU WALSH campaign gor President next election we highly appreciate the concern for all South African's ❤❤❤❤
Which always boggles my mind ad to why are we struggling as blacks if we got such excellence!! Why did we had to ask babysitting from apartheid collaborators 😢
It depends on what they identify with
Excellence with no power is meaningless.
@desmondmalgas9958 here I thought the power of the mind is greater than any power! Because you could do anything from nothing if you have intelligence. But I guess they don't believe in their intelligence.
@@desmondmalgas9958excellence with power is a disgrace...
Perhaps you're struggling because you're not as excellent as you imagine?
Sizwe do we know if we are to have a cabinet reshuffle/firing of a minister/resignantion of a minister in this GNU what will happens? Do the positions belongs to party until the term or the president can elect any one from any party? Or the number of positions each party has will stay the same even during cabinet changes.
The threat of possible ANC & EFF coalition or ANC,MKP &EFF coalition helped ANC to put DA and Moonshot in a corner to accept the current constitution of GNU. As you will know ANC was still talking to EFF.
Great minds, I can’t wait to listen. Please invite Andile Lungisa, the media and many other ANC powerful individuals have been silencing him.
The is clearly saying the apartheid should have got more to take South Africa back to colonialism.
Those subtitles😅...thank you guys😊
Prof Gumede is to more important outside Politics, He shouldn't go to politics and remain in advisory role.
Ayeye
😢🤔Listening 💔
4:07 Professor Gumede is right about consolidation of political parties. The left is the EFF, the centre left is ANC, the centre right is the DA, but there is no strong right wing group that can balance out the left. Conservative right-wing parties like FF+, ACDP, and PA should consider merging if they want to make a difference.
Evening Dr S
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i can hear the accent.....this is a project
An intelligent one?
What about it?
@@mphomathuba2942 weapon formed against the future of poor South African...blacks in particular....u can hear is programmed...
Personal egos and thin skinned leaders is the reason why they can meagre as one. It is not about the people of SA is because each leader is looking for power.
Can’t
Healthy competition is always good. It starts in school.
I totally disagree with him on dat issue of GNU, we can't take a chance with DA or FFplus
why because they a "white" party pls explain ?
Ayeye, wash'umkhukhu.
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COSATU! Have been saying this long time since they Aligned themselves to the ruling Party. You can't fight your own Parent in his house!
Doc please invite Mcebo Dlamini.
Populist
I agree with 1 thing, and that is the ANC clearly had the best negotiators following the elections. It makes no sense the other parties (all of them combined being in excess of 60%) allowed for a heavily wounded ANC to still get away with the top 3 positions like nothing ever happened. The opposition clearly lacked confidence. They are hiding behind differences in ideology but i don't agree. They just couldn't step up when they were called too. We all think we can lead until the opportunity presents itself and you self sabotage instead of taking power.
Mr. Mpofu, could you not have asked the Prof. which parties he categories as anti-constitutional and his reasons? Some of us cringe at the sound of that phrase... of course this after the recent past few post casts of SMXW.
Buckets of words….what did he say about specificities
Captured this one!
He says we need politics of pragmatism and not ideology, but then he refuses to go to parliament and wants to be in a space of ideas 🚮🚮😅😅
This guy sickens me. You see Ramaphosa is not really one of us. But this guy really sickens me.
😂how
23:50 Liberia is not the first African country to be independent. It may be the first African Republic. Around the time of Liberia's formation, most of Africa had not been colonised yet.
TS IS GAMES TSANGER
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This is the chap that facilitated the failed Moonshot Project. 😂😂 I knew there and then that he's lost.
Ahm ahm ahm ahm ahm ahm just another puppet of the establishment 🚮😮💨
He is not aligned to what the majority are undergoing! You cannot just smile being hit on the head! People?
This is a democracy, you get what you vote for
@@AndrewMcFarlane_1 then democracy is a sham
Ngiyabonga kakhulu Mnumzane. Ishicilela
He is of the west
Prof Gumede good only for theory not practical South African issues....now I see those brains that misled for this nonsense GNU formation....I'm quite dissapointed to say the list...only capitalists and colonialists would agree to this man's thought process....I for one as a PAN AFRICANISTS totally disagree... please be realistic what just happened is definitely not fit for South African purpose....God have mercy ....we don't need people like this...we do understand governance.....the major and crucial issue in SA is redress...the rest follow after that... K method (fish diagram) of problem solving is key....😭😭😭.....I'm sorry Sizwe not ayeye...not yet uhuru...I just couldn't listen without feeling pain, hurt, right down my spine....Nkosi uze usikhumbule ungabufihli ubuso bakho kuthi...
Name a country that strife without capitalism you won't find one by the way China is more capitalist than socialist hence they thriving this dream of socialist , communism type state is only in fairy tails not in history books not working anywhere in the world at the moment so your emotional argument is pointless
No election could have changed gnu???
For those who don't know, this William Gumede is one of Brenthurst Foundation & the Oppenheimers' greatest disciples after Trevor Manuel, Kgalema Motlanthe, Cyril Ramaphosa and Helen Zille. 🚮
@JimmieMpengwa ohhh it makes sense.
As opposed to you who has done what?
It shows he is one of the clever blacks who are comforted while the majority are suffering
@@VictorShongwe-eh3sc and the system know how to pick them well. Case in point, Thuli Madonsela, Redi Tlhabi etc...
Wow, so much stupid in one sentence.
Also ..WHAT is RAMAPHOSA doing as the President ..Just plain sick...
Yoh this Prof said a lot of inflammatory stuff!! Yoh!! EFF is a populist party???? WOw that MPC consultancy and those presidential advisory gigs must be sweeeeeetttt!!!!! I mean you can disagree with EFF policies and articulate why, but as for "populist"?? But ke academic freedom and free speech are more important JUST as we would protect this platform, as well as Doc Sizwe as an academic... But I knew I was going to cringe, thanks SMWX
The EFF promise everything and offer nothing. That's the definition of populist.
“Uh deployment ugh deployment without the right skills” 😂😂😂 you mean “cadre deployment” to (typically but not always) deploy a mate regardless of his/her skills
So basically a white man in a black skin and black surname. I could predict his political ideology just from his accent. Great interviewing skills SMWX.
So racist and condescending. I won’t go as far as to say your comments are disgusting but your rhetoric is abusive and unproductive. You just bludgeon a person based on skin colour and accent (the very definition of racist) with no contribution to the actual conversation. Unfortunately! Sorry to be honest with you.
Issa another Ramaphosa this one
Three racism is strong in you
This comment is overtly racist with no substance. You are targeting someone based on the colour of their skin and accent. You make no contribution to the discussion. How disappointing!
@@alanyoung-pugh832 EFF ANC MK supporters are highly racist. More racist than the AWB
Is there a reason y we r NOT ALL MILLIONAIRES in this 🇿🇦land filled with so beauty, abundance in natural minerals? Even during LOCKDOWN every public department used billions on what? We GNU will work on the amount of fraud AND those irregular payouts MUST B RETURNED 2 THE STATE COFFERS, 🤔then we all benefit🇿🇦❤️
go create something that makes millions you can become a millionaire
They sound the same 😂😂😂
Prof Gumede makes me hate being a Witsie🙄
So go to fort hare!
@@jacksparrow9547 ai wena. I already went to Wits, I can’t undo it,can I?
Ja neh... Saze sa thwala abafundi so ngabantu! 🤦
DA cut Politics out Democracy freedom 50:08
DA versus ANC, EFF or (MKP or IFP) and ANC, EFF or (MKP or IFP) versus DA.
ANC, IFP (ANC, jr), EFF (ANC, jr II) or MKP (ANC, jr III)...
They are all the same under MPC (multiparty coalition) decided on pre-1994
6 minutes into this interview, i am finding useless.
From KZN we knew that Wits always produced the gurus'. As a new SMWX addict apologies for joining late. Ego is still manifested as racism in our society. As farm boys we were required to speak an African language and show respect for uneducated workers.
Prof Gumede makes me hate being a Witsie🙄 Anyway, keep up the good work Sizwe
Why, if I may ask?
@@langabi408 cause he speaks nonsense about black leadership and its constituents. So quick to discredit black people but will not say a thing about yt people.
DA is busy with self employment and sustainable development. Cut out SME Loans offer. Brick Brick
@SMWX, when he said EFF are "populist left" as opposed to "true left", you didn't intervene. I take it someday you'll explain what the difference is, ne?
#Ayeye
It's in the definition. Not difficult to understand
You should know by now that I don’t agree with everything my guests say. 🙂
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@@_SMWX Oh, we do. But he might bamboozle your unsuspecting audience.
Eff are ONLY populist left...it's glaring in every one of their actions and words.
Make Gayto🎉n president he will get rid of the Anc Eef and Mk
Lol you will be disappointed, Gayton would never get rid of ANC, he would infact work well with them. But anyway we can't make Gayton President, you can try in 2029
🤦 uhm uhm uhm uhm 🤦
SMWX can tsek
This is hunger talking shame
@@masellononyana816 nah lol I have plenty food in my deepfreeze
@@jafassss so why do you have hunger mentality tsek
@@masellononyana816 because this guy is a biased person that claims to be non biased. Sounds like he's funded by the eff
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#AYEYE
Ayeye!