Naledi Pandor on 'GNU', Palestine-Israel, ICJ, Thabo Mbeki, Jacob Zuma & MK, Cyril Ramaphosa
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- In today’s episode, we are joined by former DIRCO Minister Dr Naledi Pandor who shares some insight into her political upbringing, the ANC, her role in various Ministries in Government over the last few decades, a review and reflection of the 3 SA President's she has worked under, a deep dive into the ICJ case and how it came about & so much more!
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:01:19 - Political upbringing
00:11:07 - Role in government
00:17:00 - ICJ case against Israel
00:38:44 - SA Foreign Policy
00:43:03 - 2024 Elections
00:45:50 - Mbeki, Zuma & Ramaphosa
00:51:13 - Zuma & MK Party
00:53:35 - Opposition politics
01:00:07 - PhD journey
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Director and DOP: Nomaan Haarzavi for Narr8 Studio
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Producer: Oratile Kekana
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Thanks for your continued support. This is definitely one of the top episodes in SMWX history. 🙏🏽🙌🏽
@@_SMWX you bring societies together with your non bias interviews
As it should be. Such an insightful interview. Thank you for all you do, team SMWX.
50:39 😢😂🎉😊😊😊😊😊 51:15 @@londamavundla1400
You should give Israel and CHRISTIANS at large, a voice too😢
@@Kingdom3in1 no need.
I'm a security guard at a primary school every girl child called Naledi,l call them Honorable Minister Naledi Pandor then they get excited and always ask why do you call us with that name, l then smile with a hope that one day as they dive deep onto our history archives they will notice how great the minister was you have been a symbol of hope and Conquest in our beautiful country minister God bless you ❤
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So heartwarming. Please continue affirming them(indirectly). We need more people who speak power, excellence,knowledge and who genuinely care for our babies. 💙
Thank you. 😉 🙏🏾
@@sthembilethanjekwayo_za l will continue doing my level best to keep them excited and informed with our country's gallant man and women.
Touching... tears...
This is the best thing I've read this week
I am not South African but following this lady's career I can humbly say that she is one of Africa's greatest leaders and you are lucky to have her! Africa needs more Naledi PANDOUR
Only an African will agree.
Mam Naledi Pandor a great leader I own her with very big salute she is so amazing
You are all delusional
don't say Africa.say south Africa
@@greatgreat7892 why ?
I'm still grieving her departure from politics. What a legend! Icon! History will never forget you mama! Can't waittt for this💃💃
Me too!!!!!!!!
Queen of Africa.
We miss you.
Let her rest she is very old Comrade
THIS WOMAN HAS DONE NOTHING FOR SOUTH AFRICA!!!!
Uyanya wena.
@@ppp0911🤣🤣🤣🤣 English doesn't even recognize what you just said....
🤔hmmm come to think of it "you poop"😅😅😅😅
Brilliance and NOT politics will be our saving grace as a country. Much love and respect to mam uPandor.
Oh how I adore Dr.Naledi Pandoor, I got accepted to University after I wrote an essay about her.until today I still adore and admire her humbleness. One day I will meet her💕
@@pinkyMazibuko-c1o 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 what a joke
Already met her at the Cape town office in Athlone
@@pinkyMazibuko-c1o Humility
This episode is for international historical archives❤
Dr Pandor, we love you and venerate your commitment to this country and service. You inspire so many of us.
What commitment !? She did nothing for this country!'
@@reececentre6265 YOU did nothing for this country.
@@t_rxley A Roland for its Oliver. Thank you for putting him in his place. I fully concur with your sentiments.
@@thamimahlangabeza6639 They have no morals. They were raised by people who have no appreciation for the price that was paid for this land.
@@t_rxleybigup bro
History has been made with this interview 🎉🎉. Congratulations. A remarkable woman
Love your Charisma Dr Pandor! Thank you for serving our country with Dignity and the utmost commitment. We salute you!
Doctor Sizwe Walsh Mpofu your pure and unpretentious disposition and how you articulation of questions you ask on various topics to guests , remind me of the youth of 1976 an intelligent generation who fought the most powerful and most brutal army on the African continent keep it up man , you're one of a kind
She is respectful to all three presidents she has served, a rare attribute from leaders of our time. One can feel the deep love she has for our beloved country. Exceptional & Inspirational leader. I wish she can have more platforms to spread the spirit of patriotism, humility & respect.
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Quite the diplomat.
quite relatable but I like that he knows what time it is- we got you home
Dr Pandor will be known as one of the bravest women in our country's history. Siyabonga Mama. 🙏❤️
Come on now?.seriously? Am I missing something here?????🤬
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Thank you SMWX for bringing thought provoking discussions and interviews to the fore. Let me extend my appreciate and gratitude to Dr Naledi Pando for her contribution for the emancipation of our nation. We don’t often acknowledge and appreciate the contributions our leaders make in shaping the politics of our country locally and globally. Dr you are an elder and veteran of our beloved movement the ANC and you are an exceptional example of a Servant Leader. Thank you for the manner you have approached this interview and your insightfulness. Keep growing and bringing relevant and next level content to the public. Kudos to SMWX and the rest of the broadcasting team.
After what mama Naledi Pandor just said about how President Zuma is a warm person, kind and accormodating and people use to take advantage of the kindness of Jacob Zuma it's really sad...Thank you Mama and Thank you Dr Mpofu
Absolutely love this woman! Such an incredible leader, I really wish she had a chance to be president of SA
Same here hey just a pity age nolonger allows her, but she's smart we not talking "accent" coz people think we love her because of it nooo sithanda into ayisho ngomlomo it always makes sense 🙏🙏
Dr. Pandor is a leader whose impact has been felt worldwide. We honor your service and we value your impact that will be felt for generations to come ❤
Hey Ashley we see you. You are doing well on your RUclips ma'am. Keep on keeping on.
She was too big a threat. We were calling for her to be our next president
So good to see this comment from you Ash. It's always a pleasure to hear from you ❤
@@7CallaLilly She would be better than Angie Motshekga.
@@7CallaLillynot in my dreams,sorry
Humble and very brilliant, she doesn't focus on South Africa only in her conversation but repeatedly mentions Africa
Humble?.really?.for hating the Jews. Despite what Hamas did on Oct 7th????
Humble?.what a joke!!😂
HUMBLE MY BLOODY BEHIND
Replying to your comment so that you get some feedback from someone who isn't a troll....she is certainly a wonderful woman. And yes humble. Some people just can't take a strong woman and understand that people can be strong, assertive, AND humble.
@@bilkees8151 you must wake up very quickly
Thank-you Sizo for having such important conversations. I am coming home to be part of the solution.
Wonderful!
Pity its all leftist Islamic propaganda BS!
We are waiting for you.
@@rolandchandler2669 it's Sizwe, not Sizo 😂
You need to come back we really need to fix beloved South Africa💪🏼🇿🇦
Excellent interview from someone who is part of the next phase of South Africa. Naledi Pandoor is honest and one of the most great thinkers that we have. She has been true to the ANC, to the people and to herself. An important example.
Formidable Leader, never been involved in corrupt activity humble and obviously hardworking and very firm. We need more of Mama Naledi Pandors in our government.
Sizwe!!! How do you even get access to these people??😭😭😭😭 I am so glad I listen to SMWX. This was a brilliant interview - as always! I'm a 2k and this type of media/broadcasting is so appealing because at least now I have a better understanding of our political environment and its all thanks to SMWX. Dr. Naledi is brilliant,thank you for giving her he flowers while she is still alive to receive them. I really hope one day SMWX can actually do documentaries of these important figures of our political history, because interviews are just not enough!!
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Social Capital
Dr Naledi Pandor is an absolute hero and a beacon of light not just in South Africa, but in the world. I would love to see her take on a bigger role either in our government or perhaps in the African Union.May she go from strength to strength and shine her light to guide us all. We are in dark times globally and desperately need these guiding lights. May this dark night lead to the dawn of a new, multipolar world of peace and prosperity for all, but especially in Africa.
Thank you for this interview, Sizwe. You do great work.
Thanks for watching!
What accomplishments did Pandor achieve in any of her positions except for accupy those positions as a english tongue, what did she do for the people in making lives better, name what did Pandor did for the good of anyone in SA as one would to regard someone as a hero and a beacon of light.
I wanna hear what she's done too tbh coz Idk either@@colinharris4567
@@colinharris4567 She was a formidable Minister of International Relations and Cooperation. I need only mention two major achievements here: The way South Africa optimised our membership of Brics, a rather exclusive club we were initially only invited to because Brics sounded better than Bric, not letting that stand in our way of creating ties with powers that are in the ascendancy, helping to expand the reach.and iinuence thereof, especially when we chaired the body.and oversaw the expansion to Brics+. This has already opened new export markets for many sectors of our economy, especially Agriculture, and is something we may end up benefiting from greatly in future. Secondly, laying the charge of genocide against Israel at the International Court of Justice was a courageous and commendable action in an attempt to stop the horrendous events in Gaza while this genocide is still a verb and not a regrettable noun that we read about in history books. I am proud of the actions my country took in this regard. In fact we need to continue because the Israeli army is still killing thousands of Palestinian babies. Those are already big enough accomplishments. No need to expand.
I can listen to Dr Mpofu and Dr Pandor all day long. Thank you Dr Pandor for coming and thanks to you Dr Mpofu for always leading great conversations. Isizwe siyabulela
I see Pandor I click. Brilliant hero for the justice in our world today.
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Vomit!!!🤢🤮🤮
Same same!!!
You are all fast asleep! GOD BLESS ISRAEL 🇮🇱🇮🇱
I have so much ❤ for Mrs Pandor, so humble, so intelligent, I wish she would fight for us South Africans with the same intensity she does for Phlstn.
I adore this formidable sister. She is grounded politically and ideologically. She is fearless. I'm proud of her.
Absolutely beautiful, insightful and riveting interview! I loved how she spoke about the three Presidents. Mama Pandor is a national asset. This is one for the books. Thank you for this SMWX.
Sizwe, you re officially a legend. MS Pandor on your show. MY HEART IS JOYOUS. THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN. WATCHING FROM SYDNEY.
@@HWFrancois brains like father like son period
Its always interesting to hear the good Dr. speak, Thanks Sizwe what a thought provoking conversation.
But she don't like the jews
The goat!🐐🐐🐐 No debates, she came for a talk at UCT a few weeks ago and it was an honour to just sit there and hear her pour her knowledge to the audience. She walks the talk and talks the walk! She has to be in our South African history books for the younger generation to know that politics is not just about a position but SERVICE and it takes a passionate, committed, knowledgeable and resilient individual to be a leader like her! Her years of experience are a well of wisdom and it takes a special one to use all this wisdom for serving the greater good. 🇿🇦❤️
Even if you paid me I woukdnt sit down to listen to 1 minute of this womans lies!
I m Zambian🇿🇲🇿🇦✊🏾✊🏾 We Respect Dr Pandor she did a lot for the continent 2. she kept watch over the affairs of the continent both in side and out .. even looking at african resources she made sure that spoke about resource development and value addition Government 2 Government within she warned outside influences that we are changing the way we do things we are not to be pushed around any more I think 🤔 low key🗝️ she was doing the Job of President United States of Africa "unofficially" funtastic job at that well done ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾🫡🌍
She said nothing about Boko Haram abducting innocent girls in Nigeria. Hypocrite.
@@lindayhukutwana3861That's a Nigerian government baby
@lodrickngobeni5964 she supports them she's Moslem. They have Hamas offices in South Africa while Hamas go around killing everyone that's not Moslem whenever n wherever they can. How is that taking care of Africa? Or you mean Muslim Africa?
Goated 🐐 interview... I have never seen mama so relaxed in an interview.
We need such interviews to fully understand our elders
Long live Naledi Pandor, you are a champion.
What an honor to have umama Pandor🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
she almost single handedly cost us our relationship with one of our most important trade partners. history will remember her as a complicated figure
What a star act! Loved the insight into the strengths of the different presidents. I don't agree with all her positions, but I understand them better now. Thank you so much for bringing her on.
What a honour you have, to have This guest on your show. She is brilliant.
Nothing brilliant
@@colinharris4567trust me she is I know why you disagree with her on Israel Palestinian issues but she’s one of the most standout leaders the anc has ever produced
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I wish the world can have more people like her
Ay Sizwe, honestly these are the people whom we should protect by all means. Thank you once again for bringing thus giant of Africa
I have profound respect for Dr Naledi Pandor since her days in the Mbeki administration. She has remained resolute in her ethical leadership stance. She will forever be missed in our political leadership structure and what an amazing storyteller. Great interview SMWX fam 😊
Sizwe...I am a comrade from Zambia - As a trained young journalist,.i am so proud of you and the guests you bring onto the platform - May you win my brother
Another great one, thank you SMWX. I applaud her incredible bravery, thank you Dr. Pandor for your contribution.
The humbleness in you Dr Mpofu gives me hope about the youth's future of this country,keep it that way Dr you're the shining light of SA👌🥰
This brother keeps breaking out fantastic interviews and of course with beautiful and fantastic African minds. Thanks Dr Sizwe for ALWAYS giving us something to make us look inwards whilst expanding our minds, knowledge and consciousness with a view to bettering our continent and the world in general. Once again thanks for the great work you do.
One of South Africa's greats.
She is an example to young and old. Her contributions to SA and the world at large are unmeasurable
What accomplishments did Pandor achieve in any of her positions except for accupy those positions as a english tongue, what did she do for the people in making lives better, name what did Pandor did for the good of anyone in SA as one would to regard someone as a hero which are unmeasurable as you say...
One of SA's greatest straight faced liars!😂
Dr PANDOR we love your integrity your determination in politics and especially how you handled the pallestine and Israel affair.
I pray and hope all your efforts with the new GNU this effort will continue so that this Geneocide stop and the perpetrators will be brought to justice.
Hope you and family all the best may Allah bless you and grant you all the best in this world and the year after insha Allah
The President we never had!😢
I am from Zambia but man or man- I adore this woman and totally agree, she's the President South Africa never had
Dr Naledi Pando is something else Bright and brave and motherly stateswoman
What a joke! She is nauseating
This is the best women's month gift ever. Thank you for giving us this interview. My favorite politician and potential woman president. I would love to see her being "Madam President" 😂😅🎉🎉🎉🎉
I love this African woman and she's natural and down to earth. Keep well my African queen.
She is a shameless LIAR!
Thank you Dr Sizwe for bringing my favourite politician within the ANC ❤❤❤❤
Fascinating discussion, we are so blessed to have such a remarkable woman as a country❤ Protect her at all costs!!!
Great interview with a brilliant woman! Thank you.
A living legend ,a beacon of hope to the oppressed.She changed the landscape of international relations 🤍.I love you Dr Naledi Grace Pandor.
From the river to the sea, palestine will be free🇵🇸🇵🇸
Sizwe and his Team are really Cooking!!
Keep serving the Masses. 🙌🏾
We will!
"National interest doesn't mean selling out, doesn't mean losing your values and principles..." Beautifully said Dr Naledi Pandor
Which values?…. When is ORANIA going to be free and liberated?
Powerful 💪🏽👌🏽
Please,lets just leave Oranje as they've build it up with their own sweat and blood and maybe the rest of the provinces should follow their prosperous example.@@dubemellit2932
What is orania @@dubemellit2932
That statement touched me
What a matured conversation from a matured woman of substance. CALM
Great Show, Great Interviewee, Great Host. Take my hat off to both of you for the work done, and the work to be done. South Africa needs more of this.
Thank you for serving our country with love, dedication, dignity & pride.
She has NOT served our country! She only served the ANC cadres and Islam!🤮
You're doing great work young man its very few people like you with a platform like yours that does great journalism and news presentation. And thanks for bringing this great woman Mam Naledi P.
I appreciate that!
Like I'm so glad that he allows them, to share thier backgrounds. Sizwe is an absolute treasure!
@@ramasodimalete2699 very true
Big up Sizwe, I'm happy for todays guest. Very nice to hear from mama Pando. We love mama Pando, she have done so much for our country. Mbokodo 💯❤️🙏
Cadre mme Naledi Pandor.. is among my greatest of favorites. Her conviction is that of a mother in all respects with tenderness in most difficult of situations. Love you dearly mme Pandor.
Blessings with love
Thank you Sizwe.
A woman of substance, an intellectual of note. It must have been so disconcerting to go up against unions who did not see the importance of Education. We are proud of you and all that you've achieved.
Those unions are the biggest obstacle to the education of our people. They are perpetuating "Bantu education".
Mom Naledi, what a hero.
I loved this interview. Thank you, Dr Naledi and Dr Sizwe. Much appreciated.
Thank you Sizwe for bringing the impeccable former DIRCO minister , an unshakable sound force umama uNaledi Pandor.✊🏼
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Sizwe, what an episode. I listened to this one in my car on Spotify over 2 days and what an interview it was! I wish that there were women's leadership programmes, particularly for women in politics, that would be led by women such as Dr Pandor. I cant help but feel that her departure from politics was a result of her leading role on the Israel-Gaza matter. I hope this wasnt the case. Thank you Sizwe for the respect you showed Dr Pandor on your interview and the wording of your questions. You were able to get her to speak freely and to feel comfortable whilst doing it.
Best presentation and best diplomat of note we have lost two best one with NDZ❤❤
Dr. Pandor lots of love for your bravery.may God bless you.❤
We've waiting for the Good Dr Ndlozi for a while, and this is the perfect opportunity
Dr Mpofu- Welsh - It is really a blessing to have you in this era...What I like about you is that you're not omniscient...
You rail thought is on another scale Leadership...
As I always say, you can not Stop the Queen. The Queen is the Sun Light. Keep it Coming. Love as always.
Splendid interview between two brilliant people. Should be submitted to an entity which evaluates these fora. The honesty and integrity which our society sadly lacks.
Always lovely to watch the wonderful Ms Naledi Pandor speak.l.
Love the the accent,although Malema called it fake.
So powerful woman. Much respect, maman South Africa 🇿🇦 and Africa is proud of you
Thank you for this wise woman of this country🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I love and am inspired by everything Naledi Pandor🤞🏼 I'm telling you! It's women, also importantly, leaders of her caliber that give me hope that South African politicians will hopefully 1 day see the light... Thank you Sizwe for sharing brilliance with us👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Met her the other day doing groecery shopping and refusimg privilege , stood in line with all of us and talked aboit being retired, gently avoiding putting her opinion on political developments . Beautiful human being, warm interview subject, inspirational.person.
Kudos to Dr. Sizwe for this remarkable content in this Timeless interview! I watched the entire discussion in the early hours of this morning, captivated by every moment.
Dr. Naledi will undoubtedly be remembered as an iconic figure in the history of this country. Her diplomatic finesse and brilliant intellect are truly unparalleled.
Amazing interview 👏
The account of the different presidents is amazing😂.. really insightful
The only minister from the anc that I respect no corruption only hard working and principle
...like Mandela, they shut their eye to the ruthless ANC looting!!! That makes them accomplice.
@@SpencerCourtis 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
One of the most competent women to ever exist in the ANC. This woman can stand her ground, she is not a "Yes woman", she worked very hard for the interest of our countries. One thing I have always valued about competent women in power is that they do not bow down to intimidation, she stood her grounds against the collective West.
What accomplishments did Pandor achieve in any of her positions except for accupy those positions as a english tongue, what did she do for the people in making lives better, name what did Pandor did for the good of anyone in SA as one would to regard someone as a hero and a beacon of light.
@@colinharris4567 Watch the interview before commenting no sense
Pandor has put us in the Map.
As minister of DIRCO. She has turned Tables
Very vocal in UNSC for SA.
This comrade asking questions wants Bread from Minister. Well she's not the minister of Bakery.
And also as minister of Education she was far off better than Angie. She was suitable for that role.
She castigated and humiliated the USA Ambassador to SA. When the guy Said we loaded weapons onto Lady R cargo. The guy came to apologize...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 nahhhhhhhhhh
@@maburwanemokoena7117but he is right
A legend, a woman of integrity.. Thank you for your service 👏
She puts on such a brilliiant facade!
@@Kingdom3in1 aren't we all acting in our expected roles to the best of our abilities ?
I thank you ever so much Sizwe to have brought my Hero to your podcast forum for such exclusive and informative interview
I for one call her the South African Iron Lady
I submit in no uncertain terms that Doctor Pandor is indeed a Political Legend that we should be proud about throughout the political spectrum
Reality is that the Doctor is a very good example of what a true and dedicated politician should be.
I can tell you in no uncertain terms that Doctor Pandor Naledi is also an inspirational leader even in the entire African Continent
God Bless
Informative interview.
I just love Dr Pandor what a great leader.
Thank you Dr Sizwe for the opportunity and we appreciate what you do
Amid so much disappointment about African leaders and the problems with delivery of services in South Africa, here we have an absolute diamond of a woman who we can look up to and take pride in. Re lebohile haholo 'me, thanks so much for your service!
I have seen and heard many thought provoking episodes from SMWX before. But this one is inspirational pleasant and enjoyable. Thank you Mr Mpofu and Mama Naledi❤
Thank you so much for this conversation!🎉
I love and respect this lady... The great and excellent Dr Naledi Pandor 🎉❤🙏🏽🇿🇦.
Thank you for bringing Dr Pandor,i love and respect her sooo much 👏👏
Well spoken and poised. I enjoyed hearing the honourable Dr Pandor's contributions to this conversation.
Great interview much love from Namibia 🇳🇦 ❤
What a well spoken lady! I could listen to her all day! She's an embodiment of Black excellence. Loved this episode!
May God continue to bless and keep this beautiful Sister, we love you!!!!
Asalaam Hu Alaikum Dr Naledi Pandor, you are a rare diamond..a diamond is beautiful and its hard to crush. U can only cut a daimond with a real diamond.
You are an inspiration to many people worldwide ❤ May Allah SWT protect you and guide you to help our Country
I’m not from SA but I love Pandor 😊. What a great story and wonderful interview
Dr Pandor is the best of us!!
The most powerful woman of the continent as we speak. I will never forget this beautiful soul. Thank you South Africa you keep producing the greatest men and women on the continent.
In the world.
I am listening to this incredible woman. Yes you are, I love her. You are brilliant mother. Lindiwe Mkwayi
This is massive. Great content Sizwe! Thank for this interview.
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By far one of the best Foreign Ministers and visionaries the world has known. Kick back and relax Mrs Pandor. Your retirement is well deserved. By the way, I like you calling Tony Blinken your friend. It shows to what extent you are a Grande Dame of modern politics.
Godspeed in your undertakings.