BUYER BEWARE! An old hit & miss engine P.S.A., teardown, and rebuild!
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2023
- Welcome back and hello if you are new! This video is geared more for a first time buyer when getting your first hit miss engine! The first 10 mins or so is me rambling about things to look for and some do's and do not's, if you are just here for the restoration you can skip ahead. Hope you enjoy it!
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Watched most of Vice Grip Garage for the pure persistence of resurecting a machine...just found your channel..looks like more binge watchin' ahead !!!!
38:45 when things were actually designed to not only be repaired. But repaired in the field with as little tools as possible. Excellent!!
Sir, you possess a wealth of knowledge regarding these old work horses. It appears that you spent less than just several hours to restore this dishpan which to me is mind blowing. It would take me a few days…maybe even weeks :). The magneto work impressed me the most because I am leery of working on them, but your work has encouraged me to tackle one…I even have one of those same engines to practice on. Thank you!
Wonderful! If you need any help you can message me on Instagram. I have my account linked in the description.
@@Cast_Iron_Curiosities Wow. What a kind response! Thank you so very, very much for the offer.
Good info,I have learned the hard way ,over 18 years I can’t remember all the probs encountered,but buying on line ,without proper info can lead to some pretty expensive ornaments…best to check them over in person,have brought one on line ,heaps of photos ,friendly seller ,but grease spread in cracks in the head and cylinder frame,photos taken of that area when asked ,but they were taken in such a way as to use light etc to hide the problem..no internal parts, basically scrap…they are out there…
Sorry put my comment in the wrong thingie…
I have been collecting for over 25 years and just found your channel. You have done a Great Job!!! I find the videos very informative and well well edited. Thank you for your videos!!!
Nice to see folks still interested in these! Nice tutorial!
Thank you!
Love seeing old engines come back to life
Thank you!
Greetings from a model engineer near London UK; I'm without a workshop atm during a refurb of my house and have enjoyed watching you doing an amazing job on this engine. We need more folks like you to pass the knowledge to the next generation; thank you!
Keep up the good work and I'm subscribed and wanting more 👍
By the way, that copper head gasket can be renormalized with heat. In other words turned soft again from being worked. But it looks like it sealed just fine so unneeded.
Seems to run amazingly well! Great job!
Great Video, With reusing copper gaskets i would anneal them before using them it only takes a few minutes just get them blazing hot and drop in water it will save countless problems with sealing and leaking and breaking ,Thanks again Joe.
Never thought of that, learn something new everyday! Thank you!
I agree. I owned British motorcycles and that was necessary to keep them from blowing.
I loved this restoration!
Thank you for these videos. I have found them to be very educational as well as something I'd like to mess with on day.
When honing cylinders, run slow revolutions and move quickly in and out so you get a cross honing, you should aim for a 45 degree cross, it's good to save the old machines from being scrapped and melted down
Thank you!
Great information. You did a fantastic job explaining things.
Thank you!
Great little Rustoration. I've found with old copper gaskets like this, before reinstalling them, heat them up with a blow torch to anneal the copper, it usually helps to reseat it.
I never thought of that but that would work great!
@@Cast_Iron_Curiosities Heat until bluish/yellow in color. That is the way we used to treat head gaskets on older triumph 650s to re-use them
Great suggestion about annealing the copper head gasket iv never rebuilt a stationary engine ( yet ) but iv had success annealing copper in other sealing applications.
Geek bit now , to anneal the copper it only needs to be heated to a dull red then left to cool naturally , however cooling it in water as you suggested will “clean” the copper too
So yea I’d agree dunk it in water , just technically it doesn’t need it
Pretty simple but awesome at the same time!!!
Thank you Steve!
You are a great teacher and video producer. Your explanations are informative and interesting. Blessings to you.
Thank you, that means the world to me!
Excellent video. Two things I would like to add. Never lift an engine by a strap thru the flywheels, may bend the crank. Also if the engine is stuck do not use the flywheels to rock the crank back and fourth to try and unstuck the Poston, may Crack a spoke at the hub.
Two excellent points! Thank you!
I love these old antique engines, and eventually want to start getting one or two.....or.......
Trust me they keep multiplying after you get one!
Recently found your channel and I love it! I'm an antique outboard guy, but many of the same tips and procedures apply! Like guys who run an outboard out of water and fry the rubber impeller, or particularly on old Elto motors spinning the flywheel without first making sure that Atwater Kent timer isn't frozen. Like you say, ignorance can be expensive!
It definitely can be, that's from the school of had knocks!
I am learning that it took a lot of hard work to do a lot of hard work in those days.
You would be correct!
Got a 4 hp 1916 Galloway running couple years ago people at flywheel supply were able to supply the mag and other parts I needed great people to deal with
Great video! Good teacher!
Thank you!
Nice!!!!!!
Sweet sounding…….
If pounding on the pot metal Fairbanks timing bracket do so very carefully. They are very easy to break. I speak from experience.
You are correct. Really should use a press.
Very nice! Always love these types of videos so keep them coming! Also nice job with the engine! That thing runs great! Looking forward to the next one! :)
Thank you!
Great information. I have a similar Fairbanks Morse that has not been run in approximately 20 years will help me as I try to get my engines running again. Thanks for the information.
You are welcome and thank you!
Wow thats what I've been looking for! Thanks so much for all the info. I have loved these engines at shows since I was a kid. I think I'm finally at the point in my life to take on one myself. Looks like your channel is going to be my guide. Can't wait to see what else you have. Subscribed!✌️
Thanks again my friend and damn fine workmanship 👍.....Old Steve here......
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Thank you!
Thanks for letting us know
Thank you!
the magneto full dirt had me glad it worked
a good sand blast paint clean wd40 good as new takes time but worth it everytime she starts .
I have Hercules JK and Delco light plant motors that I got running. I always like to see these machines taken apart and put back together. Thanks
Thank you!
Skill brings result, result is rewarding.
For sure!
Your content keeps getting better. You earned my sub. Looking forward to your next video.
Thank you!
Thank you for this video. I bought my first motor last month. 1 1/2 IH M. First thing was to spray everything that should move wit PB blaster. I’m looking forward to building my collection. Not much of these old engines to be found in TX.
Those are good running engines! Good luck on getting it going!
I did appreciate all the knowledge at the beginning of the video thank you very much
Thank you, I hope it was helpful!
Thank you very helpful, ,here in Kansas I've seen a few of some small ones here and there ,, have had mag work done and they are varied and expensive 😢 , , see ya ❤
very good advice. seen alot of people ruin a lot of money at auction by not fallowing those simply rules. on those Fairbanks especially as if the governor is stuck or the mag the whole cam bracket can break very easy and ruin the whole engine for the most part.
Correct, I've seen to many engines get things broke unnecessarily.
The copper head gasket can be heated up on a gas stove to soften it, otherwise it may not seal when the head is retorked.
Something I started using on mine to quiet the gear noise is chain saw bar and chain lube. It's sticky and stays on the gears better. It adds a cushion effect and really quiets it down. I know it's not as loud as it seems on camera.
That's a good idea!
It's so quiet! Great video!
Thank you!
Good show!! I have a mid 1930's Fairbanks Morse engine that I'm working on as well. Hopefully it runs as good as yours when finished.
Good luck and thank you!
Pretty cool 👍👍👍
Thank you!
Thanks man
Thank you for watching!
Awesome 😊
Thank you!
hey just a thought. you can use your cordless drill for lapping those valves. just chuck up the shaft and pull.
I would like a tour of your shop someday. See all the different engines that you have and other old iron. Plus it's a easy video to do because you don't have to do any work!
One of these days I will, I'll tour both shops, mine and dads.
Sound is important so thanks for investing in audio for your channel.
Thank you!
Congrats on the clip on mic. Huge improvement 👍
Thank you!
Great video! Audio is really good!!!! A lot less echo
Thank you!
Great video
Thank you!
on those copper head gaskits you can heat them up and then thay expand again i hade one on my dirt bike worked grate i think thay call that enealing
Fairbanks makes some nice engines I have a headless 1.5 hp and she runs great!
That they do!
29:35 yep, use a big hammer to move stuff. Use a small hammer to form stuff
Great work! Is that much spit back through the mixer normal for these engines?
Love watching these old engines rebuilt. Could you possibly do a video where you add a common auto alternator with a V belt and use it to charge a battery bank? A fella could then add an inverter to power an off grid cabin or power down situation. I know there are plenty of modern generators out there available for cheap but I think maybe these might be a smidge more economical. And you would have put one of these old girls back to work and out of the scrapyard.
I have a couple factory generator sets that use the hit miss engines. I plan on getting one of them going, and it will be on here. I have some other hit miss engine powered equipment I want to get running again and pair up with some engine so people will understand what these things are used for.
I am just about to upload your idea to my channel .
Many thanks for the great videos! I stumbled across your channel yesterday, and it didn't take long for me to subscribe. Still have a lot of catching up to do. Part of the charm of these old engines, is the sound/noise and how much they vibrate around. I was wondering if you've ever tried to place a heavy rubber mat under them, such as a horse stall mat, to help dampen the "charm"? Keep up the great videos.
Sometimes the obvious will elude me! A rubber mat is a fantastic idea
Hey there! Loving your videos! I’m new with the hit and miss engines. I recently was able to take over my father-in-laws collection. 2 out of 8 he had basically running. I have worked on getting 4 more running. I am hooked! I’m waiting for warmer weather here in the northeast. 1 of my questions is, I am starting and running them on 90NE. Should I switch to kerosene after I start them. Not running them long, just showing them off. Keep it up!!👍🏼💪🏼
90NE is fine. You won't hurt them a bit running on that!
I recently started using a microphone on my channel as well, a cheap asian knock-off with crappy instructions!!! Enjoy watching the process of how these engine are brought back to life. I really want one now!!!
They are out there, the common ones can be pretty reasonable too!
I love your vids.
Thank you!
I would love to see a video of you redoing a MAG
I'm sure at some point I will do a video on magnetos.
Very nice 👍👍🇺🇸
Thank you!
I have the same dishpan model Z
They are good running engines!
Working on one right now waiting for some better weather to get the paint on it. It was in pretty good shape when i got it but missing magneto
Good luck on getting it finished!
@@Cast_Iron_Curiosities thanks i might be able to reuse the head gasket as well since its the original copper clad time will tell
@@Cast_Iron_Curiositiesjust noticed the grease cup is on the connecting rod mines got it on the bearing cap
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Very cool. Do they all spit gas out carb like that? Or is it just worn intake valve spring or not stiff enough type thing
Hi, really enjoy your videos. Do you have a Nelson Engine and if so would you do a video on it. Thanks, learning lots from you, appreciated 🙏
I do not have a Nelson at the moment, but I'm sure I can get my hands on one. When I do, I can definitely do a video on it!
nice to see someone else making videos of hit and miss engines with some good effort in them for editing and info. thought I was on my own.
Along with Cast Iron Curiosity, I enjoy your videos as well. Thanks to both of you guys for the great content.
@@birddog3566 glad you enjoy it. Thanks for watching!
As you know alot of effort goes into the editing! I feel the same!
You mean you don't want to watch a 15 minute video of rambling while scraping paint? I'm just sayin'.
The things id do for an engine like this.
Another great video! Keep them coming. Was that gasoline or kerosene that I saw dripping out of the mixer? What's the fix for that?
Thank you, it was gasoline. To be honest I'm not sure at the moment. I'm going to have to tear into it and figure out whats going on.
Do you have a tutorial on magnetizing the magneto? And...do all engines rotate the same direction?
i hate when i forget to strap them to table...lol..i had them take off on me before.started a 4hp ottawa once just sitting on shop floor i swear it came 2 feet off the ground when it fired and it was a throttler man i was busy for a minute
Bet that was fun to chase down 😆
Caution with the pot metal mag base and cam bracket
You are correct, they are very fragile!
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Those types of"MAGNETO" IS ACTUALLY A SMALL DYNAMO, LIKE WAS USED ON TELEPHONE OPERATORS SWITCH BOARDS. IT DOESN'T PRODUCE A "HIGH TENSION" SPARK LIKE ON( or maybe that one does since it has a spark plug??) AN OLD TRACTOR, IT JUST PRODUCES A VOLTAGE TO MAKE THE POINTS IN THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER ARC, WHEN IT HITS! NO TELLING WHAT THAT WAS USED FOR,, running a saw,a water pump,AN OIL WELL PUMP WHATEVER! I LOVE THOSE OLD ONES!! On that type of mag, does it have to be timed up ?? Since it has the plug ignition?? I figured it was like the ones with the other style ( point inside chamber) if not when does it know to fire at the RIGHT SPOT??
This is a Fairbanks Morse Type R magneto, which is a high tension mag. Engines with spark plugs are all going to be high tension. The type you are talking about are low tension and are used with engines that have ignitors.
This mag does need to be timed the same way the crank is time by matching up timing marks on the gears.
@@Cast_Iron_Curiosities thanks for that INFORMATION,I was a little confused about that,,I had thought all those types were low tension!!! NOW I KNOW THAT SOME ARE HIGH TENSION AS WELL!! ALWAYS LEARNING!!
Didn't get much of a look at the magneto. Does it have points and a condenser?
Hi me agen from ireland good video
Hello again, thank you!
I never saw you put new grease in the grease cups.
I topped them off before starting the engine.
I think I would have loosened the connecting rod cap bolts and the crankshaft cap bolts a little on both sides, before totally backing off the bolts. Then again I would have loosened the head bolts a little at a time.
Never had an issue before, but it's always good to be cautious.
got a like and sub
Cheers .Good stuff
Thank you!
How old is that cleaning tub and where did you find it. I need one like it..
I would check the crank end play. Seems a little excessive to me.
Super video. Gdzie są takie stare silniki? Można je jeszcze gdzieś kupić 👍👍👍
Usually, get them from other collectors or at auctions.
cool restoration.
Isn't running without cooling not a danger for the engine? (cracks? )
It can be an issue if ran for an extended period. Short runs is alright.
Where was this motor used and where did it come from. What were they mainly used for .
Well done, I just subscribed........... one more onboard lol
Thank you!
Excellent video and you're right, they do keep getting better!. I dig your parts washer. Where's it from and what are you using as a solvent? At the risk of sounding like a Karen, you might want to refrain from wrapping your thumb around the crank handle. These old timers have a habit of kicking back, which can make for a bad day for your thumb.
I bought the parts washer from homedepot if I remember correctly and
The solvent is from tractor supply company.
You are not wrong about the thumb, the correct way to crank is as you stated. The short crank handle on this engine didn't accommodate to doing it that way unfortunately.
I prefer PB Blaster over WD-40 At 56:55, is that normal for fuel to be coming out the front of that Carb.? (forgot the actual name!)
Normal, no, I didn't look into why it was doing it but it's should not have been.
Magneto remainder me on an pepper grinder 😅
How do you “recharge” the magneto magnet and what is your special spray?
I have a magnet charger, you can see it in this video ruclips.net/video/r9dNe5XUV8k/видео.html
The special spray may or may not be wd40 lol
Hah! I thought is was going to be a potion of Marvel Mystery Oil, transmission fluid and eye of newt!
Thanks for the link to your other video. Cheers! 🇨🇦
What's the difference between kerosene and distillate. My grandfather had a Minneapolis Moline tractor that started on gasoline then you switch it to distillate
I was told that kero was cheaper than gasoline back in the day, and that was the reason for this?
On your prelube is it a thin lube or thick?
30W non detergent.
what can I expect to pay for one of these things.......nice video very inforative
This model in particular you could probably et a good running one for 4 to 500 bucks 200 for a non runner and everything is there.
I agree with what Kevin has said.
Hi I have a f/m z 6 hp 1920 I bought the engine because it was mechanically not worn anywhere the down side no governor I was wondering if you new anywhere in the US that possibly made reproduction parts or anywhere where I could purchase the govenor. Many thanks Gerry Cambridge uk
I would have heated that cam gear with a propane torch, you wouldn't have to get it over 180° it would have slipped right into place.
I agree. I didn't have a torch handy.
Could you imagine that on a go kart 😆
Where did you get the safe from? I am interested Thank you
I bought it at an estate sale just outside of Columbus, Ohio, probably 10 years ago.
Thank You, These old safe's interest me, I have 4 of them that where made in about the late 1800s early 1900s. again, Thank You for the reply Robert L Hofer@@Cast_Iron_Curiosities
How do you recharge the magnet?
Check out this video I did on another engine, I explain magnetos a little further and show how to charge a magnet. ruclips.net/video/r9dNe5XUV8k/видео.html
Having a slot in your valves for lapping is cheating. You should have to suffer with a suction cup like the rest of us. Great job on the videos though. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
Thank you!
What would they have used that type of engine for?
Easiest was to explain it would be anything with an electric motor or small air cooled engine such as a Honda, these would of powered back in their day.