Had trouble wrapping my head around how we even got to Kaguya during this era so I was confused and vaguely annoyed the rest of the arc, so it was nice to hear a clear take.
As mediocre of a character Jiren was in his own right, at least he’s meant to be the final boss that Goku and Universe 7 team has to overcome from the moment where they start Tournament of Power. Kaguya just came out of nowhere in the very last minute of the climax. After all build up for Obito and Madara’s character and their motivation, they manage to screw that up over Kishimoto’s dumb decision.
@@RetrospectGreg Oh I'm good. I've actually have been playing the Glory of Heracles since it's very similar to the Dragon Quest games. I'll maybe see your videos a bit later. Thanks for saying hi.
@@RetrospectGreg Yeah, believe it or not, I'm a huge fan when it comes to old school turn-based RPG's and I keep discovering a lot more DQ Clones which is awesome. But yeah I'll see some of your videos tomorrow.
Kaguya doesn't have much of an ideological conflict to Naruto since their isn't much of a foil. Compared to Madara, Itachi, and Obito who has character conflict with each other. But, Boruto exist to be a cash grab and creating fan fiction.
@@agu-man6065 I disagree is a good idea with a terrible execution especially with Naruto and its history of being very bad at riding female characters with the blatant misogyny holding the pen metaphorically speaking having a female villain that is the goddess of chakra makes sense because I mean usually worlds have religions in them for some type of spirituality around how the world came to be and putting a woman in that role would not only make sense because you know giving birth but also it's just a cool idea and answers where chakra came from
Again the idea was cool but the execution was really bad they could have easily made her be a foil to them with her being a very vengeful and lonely woman and comparison to everyone else having you know basically all of their friends by their side and their family and she is just a lonely ass mom that has been abandoned she could have actually been the poor opposite of what Naruto's biological mother is if she was under different circumstances regarding her children
How I would have defeated Madara is have the 10 tails be to unstable and right when Madara is about to finish naruto and sasuke, he transforms into the 10 tails then naruto and Sasuke argue about what they should do with what they should do with the 10 tails, Sasuke says they should kill the 10 tails, naruto says they should bring back the 9 tailed beasts because he became friends with kurama, then they both get into a battle, because that makes more sense
Or have guy damaging madara so much that he can't recover and Naruto and sasuke beat him you don't need to introduce kagua she only exist for boruto and without making Naruto and sasuke reincarnation think
Kaguya is terrible, but when she showed up, my investment in Naruto was so dead that I was actually a little happy because it meant this series was finally going to be put out of its misery. Like Old Yeller, this thing I once loved and has transformed into this beast of a story, and now it has to die before it can do anymore harm. Unfortunately we got Boruto instead.
What made me upset that madara was a perfect final villian he had a build up from episode 1 in Shippuden he was mentioned the only person to be able to face hashirama a better ending would be they seal madara or damage him to the point that he can't control the ten tails because it's unstable, what made me mad about kaguya is there was no build up at all she came out of no where literally and the fact that she was nerfed is bad team 7 Vs kaguya should have been a 1 month at least in anime time hogormo and his brother who was a lot stronger than Naruto and sasuke took them 1 month and Naruto sealed her in 30m you can't say she is not good at combat because she fought 2 gods for a month kaguya is supposed to have most of the kg and why is her byakogan soo useless? She should have gotten the tensigan sharingan is a weakened from of kaguya and hogormo sharingan shouldn't her have a better version of the byakogan?
I mean with kingdom hearts, Xehanort was aware of things going behind his back, and even Luxord and Saix knew of how suspicious Xigbar was but ultimately they didn’t care, here however black zetsu claims that he planned everything, but Xigbar on the other hand focused on his plans without betraying Xehanort.
One of the things that really upsets about Kaguya is the sheer amount of wasted potential, I mean how many main stream shounens had a main female villain? If I were to rewrite her I would actually make her an ally, since Madara is too powerful have Kaguya be the one to defeat him (maybe use the sage tools to summon her?), have her come in decide everything Madara and Zetsu are doing is stupid, she zips them into another dimension and wakes everyone else up from their dreams, maybe she could even take away all the tailed beasts? That way the world of Naruto is back to where it was at the beginning, just ninjas.
The problem was the sheer lack of foreshadowing... like, she's just mentioned about 20 chapters before she's introduced and then suddenly she's the main villain.
@@A13b100 you mean the worst and contrived plot point in the series that boruto introduced because they forgot what the series was originally meant to be?
You know one thing about people being turned in white zetsus by infinite tsukuyomi for an army ruins any kind of moral ambiguity the eye of the moon had in the series. While having the whole world fall into an eternal sleep in their deepest desires and dreams is a bit ridiculous and makes the 4th great ninja war and more black and white conflict; at least you could make grey moral argument about how the world is too corrupt, humanity can never be truly united and they will always destroy each other so why not put them all peacefully to sleep so they will stop fighting and destroy the world around them. But this whole argument is destroyed once you recon it into creating and army and ridding everyone of their humanity to fight in some upcoming alien war ruins it and makes part of the reasons while villains like Obito, Madara and even Kisame to small extent motivations and actions throughout the series rather pointless.
2:42 To be fair, what more do you want him to do? Naruto's first (and second if we include fillers) kiss was with Sasuke, he literally got fingered by Kakashi. Not to mention that Sasuke literally never looked at women that way until finale. He just needed Boruto to happen to milk that nostalgia money cow.
I feel if Kaguya really needed to exist it should of been left to a spin off/squeal, where you could of had a cult that worships her try to bring her back to destroy the ninja world or something. The only things I'd enjoyed in that whole fight were when team 7 hit the final blow and the reverse harem justu, as it funny and reminds us that Sakura can be just a prevy as Naruto in some cases.
2:43 kishimoto has stated multiple times that sasuke and narutos relationship is supposed to mirror his relationship with his brothers also naruto is a manga that is supposed to cater to straight teenage Japanese males so I’m pretty sure the only way sasuke and naruto would ever happen is if naruto was a shoujo manga and even then kishimoto would still do the sasusaku thing because shoujo manga is so obsessed with making stories about girls being in a relationship with emo bad boy rich jerks
Kaguya is like the generic jrpg secret final boss that is a god/ alien/ eldrich abominación, etc.. that never was mencioned before, like persona 4 ameno sagiri, madoras in white knight chronicles 2, etc…
The fact that naruto is known for its terrible female characters and are considered bland with shallow personalities and they gave us kaguya who is absurdly broken and the most powerful yet also had no personality is the stuff of comedies. It was as if kishimoto decided not to bother and say fuck it and the final antagonist of the series was an alien
'Lol Madara's dead now, here's the new plot!' Good vid. Honestly i think madara peaked when he first showed up. He decimates an army and summons 2 meteors. Whatcha gonna do, fuckers? Then they kept adding powers to the point of absurdity. I watched a recent lp that posited the idea of Guy killing him, then they put his head on the mountain. End of story. Not a bad idea honestly. Also, am i the only one that ships hashirama and madara?
Kaguya was just a irrelevant random kardashian who is falling from sky to attack and kill people pahahahah she is the most bad-written villain that I ever know
I get that her clan later on shows up in Boruto? But they could’ve just added her in Boruto, it kind of fell off with the story. Especially the dimensions that they had to go through like the snow one or the place we’re gravity is weird and the ground is green. But Madara was so good like he was unnecessarily evil and I loved it. He should’ve been the final one. We could’ve ended with a hint of what else is beyond Madara in the final form that leads to kaguya clan in Boruto.
I agree Kaguya is just to set up Boruto, which is stupid, and even Kaguya's plan is so damn stupid. I mean, an army of White Zetsu's that we see throughout the War arc get their ass handed to them. Yeah, they will help you out a lot Kaguya as they all get killed with ease. I mean even other villains have had better ideas in making an army, hell even I could think the whole Kaguya wanting an army, one everyone becomes a demon that way Team 7 and the others have to fight their loved ones. But if I did Naruto, then there would be no Kaguya at all, not even a last, and Hinata would have died a long ass time ago. Yes, I would have killed Hinata off.
@@RetrospectGreg It depends on when you kill her. I mean, if she was killed in her fight with Neji, it shows how brutal Neji is and just how much Neji hates the main branch of the family, plus it would have also set up him making up for killing her. I mean, this is only something a friend and I have been talking about.
@rami Okay here is your problem you are too in love with Kaguya, she's not even that hot, man. Not only that, but there have also been better Antagonists in all of anime, and all you ever use is Kaguya's based on lore from Japan, so? As for what you said here are counterpoints. 1. Madara was high after accomplishing his century-long goal. And what Phantom said Kishimoto didn't know how to defeat Madara by that point, so he got rid of him to replace him with a more beatable enemy. 2. Base Speculation... and yet sadly, we do know how strong her army was. The Zetsu Army that the Ninja Alliance Army fought was left over Zetsu's from her time. That was her army. She makes her army by having the tree suck-out people's life force and replace it with plants like the Husk from mass effect. 3. She is a member of that group. She did defeat one of her group, and Two of her clan member thought she was a weakling. 4. Princess Kaguya of the Moon has been used in other stories en.wikipedia...e_Bamboo_Cutter 5. Well, sadly, that could happen from what we learned in the last chapter.
@@TheFirstEvil100 dont be a dumbass kishimoto never said how to beat madara. you cleary hate kaguya. what kishi said is that itachi can beat madara learn what kishimoto said. and they could sealed madara same way they sealed kaguya dont say madara is unbeatable. ''Two of her clan member thought she was a weakling'' if they heard kaguya slapped isshiki they would shitted their pants. also dont talks you cleary hate her
Jiren was one of the dumbest antagonist. He suppose to be a hero but acts like a villain trying to kill people on the bench. He has been doing nothing for most the tournament. Just sitting around doing nothing, while having the power to eliminate everyone by just powering up. He even let 2 people, he was able to eliminate stay on the field: Goku and Transgender Broly. He is like a discount Sasuke, which says a lot considering Sasuke was unbearable. While Kaguya came out of nowhere, there was at least something in her character. Not sure if it was filler, but she did care about her servant who died to protect her. You kinda felt the pain when the person she fell in love with tried to kill her because of a misunderstanding. Lastly, her own kids betrayed her, the only thing she thought she can have trust in. I feel dirty now that I actually defended a villain like that, but Jiren is absolute garbage even for Dragon Ball standards. I mean how can you be more bland than Super 13 and then become Sasuke. Super ripped a lot of iconic scenes from other better anime off to make Jiren appear more imposing or "interesting".
I still don't quite know why Jiren needed to be an antagonist in the first place. It was a tournament where the universes' fates were on the line. Just because he was the strongest foe in the tournament doesn't mean he needed to be a bad guy. In the Universe 6 vs Universe 7 tournament, while Hit was the strongest fighter on Universe 6 in that tournament, he fought within the rules of the tournament by trying to not kill Vegeta and Goku and he grew to repect Goku once he himself was getting stronger too. And Hit was an assassin; it would've been easy to make Hit repeat Mercenary Tao's more cowardly actions (and Tao once fought Tien in the WMAT and ignored the rules and tried to kill him) because "he's an assassin and therefore must be a bad guy" or something. But they didn't, so why Jiren?
Kaguya is based on Tale of Bamboo Cutter from the East. Its arguably the oldest folklores in the East and one of the oldest sci-fis about extraterrestrial beings. It's about guy(s) who collect some nearly impossible items to get Kaguya... but she dips to the Moon. The main focus of the story was not Kaguya herself... but it's about Humility. Gedo Statue sitting on top of giant flower before Obito brought it into the battlefield was a direct homage of Kaguya sitting ontop of a beautiful large flower from the original folklores. Then it's revealed later that Gedo Statue was made up of Kaguya's body. Naruto franchise has always been about Vessels (OG: Sasuke as the ultimate vessel, Shipp: Madara as the ultimate vessel) and Shinobi as Tools vs Shinobi as Humans (our MC) theme. Funfacts: 1. First scene of OG Naruto was focused on the Moon. 2. Black Zetsu is the only character in Naruto manga who always uses special Katakana speech pattern, showing his way of looking down on everyone else and his foreigness. He only softened his voice after he was reunited with its creator and whispered to someone. 3. Japanese likes word plays, there were several clues that only they knew. The "Tsuki" in Otsutsuki and Akatsuki could mean Vessel/Moon. Akatsuki always been intrepeted as Red Moon (Obito) and New Dawn (Yahiko). But there is one more hidden meaning, it's New/Red Vessel (Zetsu). It's a homophone game.
@@M3rtyville Oh hey its you, remember that time I utterly debunked you and now you are scared to even reply to me? Stop embarassing yourself and reply to me dude.
What about the Moon? The Moon was always emphasized alot when there is an Uchiha incident (especially Uchiha massacre or Madara vs Hashirama final valley). For the Western viewers I guess it's kinda hard to understand. For the Easterners... the story of a lady, the Moon, Yin-Yang, the Monster and Source of Immortality is quite famous as a unity. It's inspired by the Tale of Bamboo Cutter, the oldest Eastern Folklore from 10th century (an ancient famous folklore alongside Journey to The West). It's about humility and dude(s) collecting some nearly impossible items to get Kaguya but she dips to the Moon. If you haven't realized it yet, the main theme of Naruto is about How to Deal With Your Inner Demon. OG Naruto: Sasuke >> got tempted by the darkness inside his heart and cursed mark >> a vessel of Orochimaru Shippuden: Madara >> got tempted by the darkness inside his heart and cursed mark (yes, zetsu is a living curse mark) >> a vessel of Kaguya. People also seems to forgot that Madara would've never got the Rinnesharingan if "someone" didn't whisper in his ears to absord the Divine Tree that's been cut... which in the original Japanese manga used the same speech pattern as Black Zetsu's (Katakana). For the Eastern fans, we had always expecting for so long about the lady character from the original tale to kinda appear in the show. Finally she was mentioned when Madara was talking about the mysteries of Stone Tablet to Hashirama. Also Madara played a good part as being a proudful warrior while Zetsu also played his part as "ideal" shinobi (a tool that has a mind of its own to achieve a goal). It goes back to the story of Zabuza and Haku. If you have watched Avatar before, you will notice that Yue, the Moon, Black and White Koi fishes, the Giant Water Monster are basically Kaguya, the Moon, Black and White Zetsu, Jyuubi in Naruto. And the main villain of Naruto is this tool, this cursed mark, this darkness called as Black Zetsu... not Kaguya. Yes, it's quite anticlimatic. Even the original tale was very anticlimatic and left us hanging. The execution of this twist in the show was abit rushed too in my opinion. The could have made Madara get more fun while battling against Team 7 going all out, but they decided not too cuz Madara has had his fun against Might Guy before. Also, Japanese has an extraterrestrial tale since 10th century and your concept of shinobi is very affected by Hollywood bias. Zetsu said, "I chose Uchiha as the main cast of my tale" and Hagoromo only mentioned Calamity about his mother cuz he was kinda ashamed. He also complained about the language barrier and the fact that no one seems to grasp the true message that he left in the Stone Tablet when he talked to Naruto. Also the Stone Tablet was supposed to be like a holy book. What if the holy book was changed and not original anymore? This is also a hidden message that Kishimoto made so vague cuz it crossed some lines. Just think about it if you're a religious person. Now you see, it's world of dillusions. Lying and Bluffing are part of their life, especially if it's to take down the enemy or achieve one's goal. There is no real narrator explaining the real things in Naruto, unlike some anime. Of course Naruto is not perfect, but some people seems to not get the real message of the show. Kishimoto likes to make subtle jokes (sarcastic or not) during his interviews.
@@RetrospectGreg Are you sure you understand what I said above? I'm sure it help clear some misunderatandings. I do agree that The Last is weird cuz it felt like the studio/anime team kinda forced Kishimoto to make another cowcash for them. Also guess what... Boruto will focus on Space Hyuuga and their "sacred" rituals :/ I guess that's what happen when you don't have a walking, whispering cursed mark literally saying, "I chose Uchiha to be the main cast of this tale."
@@RetrospectGreg Yeah I feel like Naruto need a revamped version for the Western fans. Cuz they sure did prefer going for poetic way of storytelling more than most anime. The real twist behind it all was that all these relatable big villains were all victims to a cartoonish villain all along. Nagato, whose biggest trigger was losing his friend. Kabuto, whose biggest trigger was losing his "mother". Obito, whose biggest trigger was losing his "love". Madara, whose biggest trigger was losing his siblings. The moment they gave in to hatred, the more they got manipulated by this unknown unknown. There is a saying that the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist.
"The Last" was blatant character assassination that made me hate Naruto as a character, despise hinata and the animation studio that had such an obsession with her. Now this might sound like ship talk but in my defense the last chapter (700) was pretty much about shipping. so~ 1. Neji's "cupid" death as confirmed by Kishimoto himself didn't lead to anything as he needed a movie to explain naruto and hinata's get together anyway. 2. Hinata is a terrible big sister thinking about the scarf she's making instead of worrying about her kidnapped sister Hanabi who's had her eyes gouged out by the movie villain 3. retcon a scarf for naruto thats apparently Kushina's to which he discards in favor of Hinata's in the end is pretty much kicking his dead mothers grave. 4. retconning that naruto doesn't know crap about love and whenever he heard it he equates it for love for ramen, as well as Naruto loving sakura because he wanted to win over sasuke... If you've read the manga, you know very, VERY darn well Naruto knows what love is. 5. retconning Naruto and hinata being friends during early childhood (also side note this means he lied to his dead dads face about sakura being his girlfriend.) and also throws poor Iruka under the bus. 6. retconning naruto knowing shadow clone before he stole the scroll 7. alien hyuuga's is such a stupid idea. 8. the fact you needed to damage control, retcon, making naruto feel bad to get with hinata and even GENJUTSU him really hurts the pairing.
Also, the scarf thing was retarded since it was never mentioned at any point in the series and suddenly kushina made it for him which left me thinking what the fuck. Kishimoto also said in an interview he wanted the premise about Sasuke's adventures post fourth war but SP said fuck you and forced him to go with the focus of the film being on naruto and hinata.
kaguya is just an ass pull plot device....naruto vs sasuke while boring as an ending to your series is a real developed 15 year story with characters we care about....thats the difference ...we don't and are not suppose to care about her..we want her beaten so we can get sasuke vs naruto ....also the anime gives you emotions more dialogue more fighting the great soundtrack more interactions that make it better than the manga or even say the video games...the naruto anime is great...the manga is ok..the games are solid but very skippy on certain plot points and rush things sometimes...i always suggest the anime.it gives you the feels...in the manga its hard to care about anyone honestly by the end...hinata legit was the only character i felt was not ruined by the end of the manga...i hated everyone else...even might guy staying alive felt weird when my fave dude gave it all up to beat madara i was so proud for him to go out that way as the best character but nope..he lived..smdh...
Kaguya should have never been in the main series. Maybe in Boruto. The only villain better than Madara is creepy as eff Orochimaru. He never really died but him now not being a baddy anymore is ehh... Whatever. 😒
Zabuza>>>>>>Bloody Kaguya!
We go from a rogue ninja who was raised to be a ruthless killing machine to a bloody alien woman!
Kaguya is nothing compared to godlike, badass, big boss Madara.
Madaras a way better villian but it’s obvious kaguya would destroy him
@@glodmod6610 Madara is way better of course
She ruined the ending of Naruto and I don't even like that anime (except madara he's cool and pain i like pain)
@@glodmod6610 only thing kaguya has over madara is chakra thats all
@@glodmod6610 kaguya is dumber then everyone in the chunin exams but madara is a strategic thinker and was only beaten due to plot
It went from "theres bad guys out there" to "cycle of hatred" to "my eyes is better than yours" to "chakra fruit go brrrrr"
“Cycle of hatred” remind me of aot. But yes
@@isabellaa8875 It should be the other way around... Cycle of Hatred in AoT remind many people of Naruto.
@@hotsauce6789 aot did it billions of times better
@@Invisibleboy999 By making many characters’ actions meaningless?
@@TheSalsaGuy216 huh?
Had trouble wrapping my head around how we even got to Kaguya during this era so I was confused and vaguely annoyed the rest of the arc, so it was nice to hear a clear take.
As mediocre of a character Jiren was in his own right, at least he’s meant to be the final boss that Goku and Universe 7 team has to overcome from the moment where they start Tournament of Power.
Kaguya just came out of nowhere in the very last minute of the climax. After all build up for Obito and Madara’s character and their motivation, they manage to screw that up over Kishimoto’s dumb decision.
I agree
Obito for me should have been the final villain, and I feel your frustration Greg.
He had the makings of the final villain
Hey you doing okay? Haven't seen you in a while.
@@RetrospectGreg Oh I'm good.
I've actually have been playing the Glory of Heracles since it's very similar to the Dragon Quest games.
I'll maybe see your videos a bit later.
Thanks for saying hi.
Gavin Lucas no problem
@@RetrospectGreg Yeah, believe it or not, I'm a huge fan when it comes to old school turn-based RPG's and I keep discovering a lot more DQ Clones which is awesome.
But yeah I'll see some of your videos tomorrow.
Kaguya doesn't have much of an ideological conflict to Naruto since their isn't much of a foil.
Compared to Madara, Itachi, and Obito who has character conflict with each other.
But, Boruto exist to be a cash grab and creating fan fiction.
Yes!
@@delix787 Kaguya should never existed
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@@agu-man6065 I disagree is a good idea with a terrible execution especially with Naruto and its history of being very bad at riding female characters with the blatant misogyny holding the pen metaphorically speaking having a female villain that is the goddess of chakra makes sense because I mean usually worlds have religions in them for some type of spirituality around how the world came to be and putting a woman in that role would not only make sense because you know giving birth but also it's just a cool idea and answers where chakra came from
Again the idea was cool but the execution was really bad they could have easily made her be a foil to them with her being a very vengeful and lonely woman and comparison to everyone else having you know basically all of their friends by their side and their family and she is just a lonely ass mom that has been abandoned she could have actually been the poor opposite of what Naruto's biological mother is if she was under different circumstances regarding her children
How I would have defeated Madara is have the 10 tails be to unstable and right when Madara is about to finish naruto and sasuke, he transforms into the 10 tails then naruto and Sasuke argue about what they should do with what they should do with the 10 tails, Sasuke says they should kill the 10 tails, naruto says they should bring back the 9 tailed beasts because he became friends with kurama, then they both get into a battle, because that makes more sense
Or have guy damaging madara so much that he can't recover and Naruto and sasuke beat him you don't need to introduce kagua she only exist for boruto and without making Naruto and sasuke reincarnation think
Kaguya is terrible, but when she showed up, my investment in Naruto was so dead that I was actually a little happy because it meant this series was finally going to be put out of its misery. Like Old Yeller, this thing I once loved and has transformed into this beast of a story, and now it has to die before it can do anymore harm.
Unfortunately we got Boruto instead.
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madara won boruto doesn't exist it's just a dream
2:42 agreed. Then there's no abusive sasusaku bs or underdeveloped naruhina
Well at least in my mind naruto and sasuke are canon. After the war and their battle, they both flew off into the sunset on sasuke's flying susanoo
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Kaguya was thrown in for the sake of boruto continuity
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What made me upset that madara was a perfect final villian he had a build up from episode 1 in Shippuden he was mentioned the only person to be able to face hashirama a better ending would be they seal madara or damage him to the point that he can't control the ten tails because it's unstable, what made me mad about kaguya is there was no build up at all she came out of no where literally and the fact that she was nerfed is bad team 7 Vs kaguya should have been a 1 month at least in anime time hogormo and his brother who was a lot stronger than Naruto and sasuke took them 1 month and Naruto sealed her in 30m you can't say she is not good at combat because she fought 2 gods for a month kaguya is supposed to have most of the kg and why is her byakogan soo useless? She should have gotten the tensigan sharingan is a weakened from of kaguya and hogormo sharingan shouldn't her have a better version of the byakogan?
I mean with kingdom hearts, Xehanort was aware of things going behind his back, and even Luxord and Saix knew of how suspicious Xigbar was but ultimately they didn’t care, here however black zetsu claims that he planned everything, but Xigbar on the other hand focused on his plans without betraying Xehanort.
Madara should've just been the villain instead of Kaguya 🤦♂️
One of the things that really upsets about Kaguya is the sheer amount of wasted potential, I mean how many main stream shounens had a main female villain?
If I were to rewrite her I would actually make her an ally, since Madara is too powerful have Kaguya be the one to defeat him (maybe use the sage tools to summon her?), have her come in decide everything Madara and Zetsu are doing is stupid, she zips them into another dimension and wakes everyone else up from their dreams, maybe she could even take away all the tailed beasts? That way the world of Naruto is back to where it was at the beginning, just ninjas.
The problem was the sheer lack of foreshadowing... like, she's just mentioned about 20 chapters before she's introduced and then suddenly she's the main villain.
Your idea sounds so much better than what we actually got😂
Or better yet Naruto should upgrade in his persuasion skill and get Madara to redeem himself and face goddess Kaguya and Zest
Kaguya served no point in the series. She was just there.
She was needed for chakra and otsutsuki clan in boruto
She existed to rid Obito and make Team 7 shine again
@@A13b100 you mean the worst and contrived plot point in the series that boruto introduced because they forgot what the series was originally meant to be?
@@lapplandkun9273 what was the series about?
@@lapplandkun9273 what was the boruto series about?
You know one thing about people being turned in white zetsus by infinite tsukuyomi for an army ruins any kind of moral ambiguity the eye of the moon had in the series. While having the whole world fall into an eternal sleep in their deepest desires and dreams is a bit ridiculous and makes the 4th great ninja war and more black and white conflict; at least you could make grey moral argument about how the world is too corrupt, humanity can never be truly united and they will always destroy each other so why not put them all peacefully to sleep so they will stop fighting and destroy the world around them.
But this whole argument is destroyed once you recon it into creating and army and ridding everyone of their humanity to fight in some upcoming alien war ruins it and makes part of the reasons while villains like Obito, Madara and even Kisame to small extent motivations and actions throughout the series rather pointless.
You know I kinda wonder if the people who become zetsu's can still dream
@@darrellsimon4462 no they are gone
2:42 To be fair, what more do you want him to do? Naruto's first (and second if we include fillers) kiss was with Sasuke, he literally got fingered by Kakashi. Not to mention that Sasuke literally never looked at women that way until finale. He just needed Boruto to happen to milk that nostalgia money cow.
I feel if Kaguya really needed to exist it should of been left to a spin off/squeal, where you could of had a cult that worships her try to bring her back to destroy the ninja world or something. The only things I'd enjoyed in that whole fight were when team 7 hit the final blow and the reverse harem justu, as it funny and reminds us that Sakura can be just a prevy as Naruto in some cases.
BlueStarSaber StarWarsFan she exists for the sequel
@@RetrospectGreg Yeah should of been either Obito or Madara as the final villain like you said
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I feel until this day everyone forgot completely about Kurenai and Yakumo
@@maybemints
These two had such potential along with Anko
Tbh even though making Madara to powerful and having Kagyua come out. I love the scenes where Madara fucks shit up
2:43 kishimoto has stated multiple times that sasuke and narutos relationship is supposed to mirror his relationship with his brothers also naruto is a manga that is supposed to cater to straight teenage Japanese males so I’m pretty sure the only way sasuke and naruto would ever happen is if naruto was a shoujo manga and even then kishimoto would still do the sasusaku thing because shoujo manga is so obsessed with making stories about girls being in a relationship with emo bad boy rich jerks
Kishimoto got sick of Naruto. He really needed a break tbh. God only knows how his writing fell off. :/
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I stopped reading/watching after the Pain Arc as I just didn't care anymore as I feel the series should have ended with that.
@@dragowolfraven3806 so you didn't watch the 5 kage summit arc
@@dragowolfraven3806trash ending because madara and obito were set up since part one pain was taking orders form obito
For once we agree kaguya is a terrible final villian madara would have been perfectly fine
Kaguya is like the generic jrpg secret final boss that is a god/ alien/ eldrich abominación, etc.. that never was mencioned before, like persona 4 ameno sagiri, madoras in white knight chronicles 2, etc…
The fact that naruto is known for its terrible female characters and are considered bland with shallow personalities and they gave us kaguya who is absurdly broken and the most powerful yet also had no personality is the stuff of comedies. It was as if kishimoto decided not to bother and say fuck it and the final antagonist of the series was an alien
'Lol Madara's dead now, here's the new plot!'
Good vid. Honestly i think madara peaked when he first showed up. He decimates an army and summons 2 meteors. Whatcha gonna do, fuckers? Then they kept adding powers to the point of absurdity. I watched a recent lp that posited the idea of Guy killing him, then they put his head on the mountain. End of story. Not a bad idea honestly.
Also, am i the only one that ships hashirama and madara?
Kaguya was just a irrelevant random kardashian who is falling from sky to attack and kill people pahahahah she is the most bad-written villain that I ever know
I get that her clan later on shows up in Boruto? But they could’ve just added her in Boruto, it kind of fell off with the story. Especially the dimensions that they had to go through like the snow one or the place we’re gravity is weird and the ground is green. But Madara was so good like he was unnecessarily evil and I loved it. He should’ve been the final one. We could’ve ended with a hint of what else is beyond Madara in the final form that leads to kaguya clan in Boruto.
Yeah shippuden doesnt need Kaguya. Its just a set up for boruto. Even hamura was just set up for the last movie
@@addictedtoair1351 hope kaguya comes back
I agree Kaguya is just to set up Boruto, which is stupid, and even Kaguya's plan is so damn stupid. I mean, an army of White Zetsu's that we see throughout the War arc get their ass handed to them. Yeah, they will help you out a lot Kaguya as they all get killed with ease.
I mean even other villains have had better ideas in making an army, hell even I could think the whole Kaguya wanting an army, one everyone becomes a demon that way Team 7 and the others have to fight their loved ones.
But if I did Naruto, then there would be no Kaguya at all, not even a last, and Hinata would have died a long ass time ago. Yes, I would have killed Hinata off.
I don't know. Is killing Hinata really the answer?
rami what are you talking about? He literally did say that
@@RetrospectGreg It depends on when you kill her. I mean, if she was killed in her fight with Neji, it shows how brutal Neji is and just how much Neji hates the main branch of the family, plus it would have also set up him making up for killing her. I mean, this is only something a friend and I have been talking about.
@rami Okay here is your problem you are too in love with Kaguya, she's not even that hot, man. Not only that, but there have also been better Antagonists in all of anime, and all you ever use is Kaguya's based on lore from Japan, so?
As for what you said here are counterpoints.
1. Madara was high after accomplishing his century-long goal. And what Phantom said Kishimoto didn't know how to defeat Madara by that point, so he got rid of him to replace him with a more beatable enemy.
2. Base Speculation... and yet sadly, we do know how strong her army was. The Zetsu Army that the Ninja Alliance Army fought was left over Zetsu's from her time. That was her army. She makes her army by having the tree suck-out people's life force and replace it with plants like the Husk from mass effect.
3. She is a member of that group. She did defeat one of her group, and Two of her clan member thought she was a weakling.
4. Princess Kaguya of the Moon has been used in other stories en.wikipedia...e_Bamboo_Cutter
5. Well, sadly, that could happen from what we learned in the last chapter.
@@TheFirstEvil100 dont be a dumbass kishimoto never said how to beat madara. you cleary hate kaguya.
what kishi said is that itachi can beat madara learn what kishimoto said.
and they could sealed madara same way they sealed kaguya dont say madara is unbeatable.
''Two of her clan member thought she was a weakling'' if they heard kaguya slapped isshiki they would shitted their pants.
also dont talks you cleary hate her
Jiren was one of the dumbest antagonist. He suppose to be a hero but acts like a villain trying to kill people on the bench. He has been doing nothing for most the tournament. Just sitting around doing nothing, while having the power to eliminate everyone by just powering up. He even let 2 people, he was able to eliminate stay on the field: Goku and Transgender Broly.
He is like a discount Sasuke, which says a lot considering Sasuke was unbearable.
While Kaguya came out of nowhere, there was at least something in her character. Not sure if it was filler, but she did care about her servant who died to protect her. You kinda felt the pain when the person she fell in love with tried to kill her because of a misunderstanding. Lastly, her own kids betrayed her, the only thing she thought she can have trust in.
I feel dirty now that I actually defended a villain like that, but Jiren is absolute garbage even for Dragon Ball standards. I mean how can you be more bland than Super 13 and then become Sasuke. Super ripped a lot of iconic scenes from other better anime off to make Jiren appear more imposing or "interesting".
I still don't quite know why Jiren needed to be an antagonist in the first place. It was a tournament where the universes' fates were on the line. Just because he was the strongest foe in the tournament doesn't mean he needed to be a bad guy.
In the Universe 6 vs Universe 7 tournament, while Hit was the strongest fighter on Universe 6 in that tournament, he fought within the rules of the tournament by trying to not kill Vegeta and Goku and he grew to repect Goku once he himself was getting stronger too. And Hit was an assassin; it would've been easy to make Hit repeat Mercenary Tao's more cowardly actions (and Tao once fought Tien in the WMAT and ignored the rules and tried to kill him) because "he's an assassin and therefore must be a bad guy" or something. But they didn't, so why Jiren?
@@mcuisntcinema5868 Are you talking about the guy who made the video?
Kaguya is based on Tale of Bamboo Cutter from the East. Its arguably the oldest folklores in the East and one of the oldest sci-fis about extraterrestrial beings.
It's about guy(s) who collect some nearly impossible items to get Kaguya... but she dips to the Moon. The main focus of the story was not Kaguya herself... but it's about Humility.
Gedo Statue sitting on top of giant flower before Obito brought it into the battlefield was a direct homage of Kaguya sitting ontop of a beautiful large flower from the original folklores. Then it's revealed later that Gedo Statue was made up of Kaguya's body.
Naruto franchise has always been about Vessels (OG: Sasuke as the ultimate vessel, Shipp: Madara as the ultimate vessel) and Shinobi as Tools vs Shinobi as Humans (our MC) theme.
Funfacts:
1. First scene of OG Naruto was focused on the Moon.
2. Black Zetsu is the only character in Naruto manga who always uses special Katakana speech pattern, showing his way of looking down on everyone else and his foreigness. He only softened his voice after he was reunited with its creator and whispered to someone.
3. Japanese likes word plays, there were several clues that only they knew. The "Tsuki" in Otsutsuki and Akatsuki could mean Vessel/Moon. Akatsuki always been intrepeted as Red Moon (Obito) and New Dawn (Yahiko). But there is one more hidden meaning, it's New/Red Vessel (Zetsu). It's a homophone game.
@@M3rtyville Oh hey its you, remember that time I utterly debunked you and now you are scared to even reply to me? Stop embarassing yourself and reply to me dude.
What about the Moon? The Moon was always emphasized alot when there is an Uchiha incident (especially Uchiha massacre or Madara vs Hashirama final valley). For the Western viewers I guess it's kinda hard to understand. For the Easterners... the story of a lady, the Moon, Yin-Yang, the Monster and Source of Immortality is quite famous as a unity.
It's inspired by the Tale of Bamboo Cutter, the oldest Eastern Folklore from 10th century (an ancient famous folklore alongside Journey to The West). It's about humility and dude(s) collecting some nearly impossible items to get Kaguya but she dips to the Moon.
If you haven't realized it yet, the main theme of Naruto is about How to Deal With Your Inner Demon.
OG Naruto: Sasuke >> got tempted by the darkness inside his heart and cursed mark >> a vessel of Orochimaru
Shippuden: Madara >> got tempted by the darkness inside his heart and cursed mark (yes, zetsu is a living curse mark) >> a vessel of Kaguya.
People also seems to forgot that Madara would've never got the Rinnesharingan if "someone" didn't whisper in his ears to absord the Divine Tree that's been cut... which in the original Japanese manga used the same speech pattern as Black Zetsu's (Katakana).
For the Eastern fans, we had always expecting for so long about the lady character from the original tale to kinda appear in the show. Finally she was mentioned when Madara was talking about the mysteries of Stone Tablet to Hashirama. Also Madara played a good part as being a proudful warrior while Zetsu also played his part as "ideal" shinobi (a tool that has a mind of its own to achieve a goal). It goes back to the story of Zabuza and Haku.
If you have watched Avatar before, you will notice that Yue, the Moon, Black and White Koi fishes, the Giant Water Monster are basically Kaguya, the Moon, Black and White Zetsu, Jyuubi in Naruto.
And the main villain of Naruto is this tool, this cursed mark, this darkness called as Black Zetsu... not Kaguya. Yes, it's quite anticlimatic. Even the original tale was very anticlimatic and left us hanging. The execution of this twist in the show was abit rushed too in my opinion.
The could have made Madara get more fun while battling against Team 7 going all out, but they decided not too cuz Madara has had his fun against Might Guy before.
Also, Japanese has an extraterrestrial tale since 10th century and your concept of shinobi is very affected by Hollywood bias.
Zetsu said, "I chose Uchiha as the main cast of my tale" and Hagoromo only mentioned Calamity about his mother cuz he was kinda ashamed. He also complained about the language barrier and the fact that no one seems to grasp the true message that he left in the Stone Tablet when he talked to Naruto.
Also the Stone Tablet was supposed to be like a holy book. What if the holy book was changed and not original anymore? This is also a hidden message that Kishimoto made so vague cuz it crossed some lines. Just think about it if you're a religious person.
Now you see, it's world of dillusions. Lying and Bluffing are part of their life, especially if it's to take down the enemy or achieve one's goal. There is no real narrator explaining the real things in Naruto, unlike some anime. Of course Naruto is not perfect, but some people seems to not get the real message of the show.
Kishimoto likes to make subtle jokes (sarcastic or not) during his interviews.
Which is why it’s weird when The Last tried to make the moon into a Hyuuga thing
@@RetrospectGreg Are you sure you understand what I said above? I'm sure it help clear some misunderatandings.
I do agree that The Last is weird cuz it felt like the studio/anime team kinda forced Kishimoto to make another cowcash for them. Also guess what... Boruto will focus on Space Hyuuga and their "sacred" rituals :/ I guess that's what happen when you don't have a walking, whispering cursed mark literally saying, "I chose Uchiha to be the main cast of this tale."
@@hotsauce6789 oh no I definitely agree. Naruto’s values make a lot more sense from an Eastern values perspective than Western ones
@@RetrospectGreg Yeah I feel like Naruto need a revamped version for the Western fans. Cuz they sure did prefer going for poetic way of storytelling more than most anime.
The real twist behind it all was that all these relatable big villains were all victims to a cartoonish villain all along.
Nagato, whose biggest trigger was losing his friend.
Kabuto, whose biggest trigger was losing his "mother".
Obito, whose biggest trigger was losing his "love".
Madara, whose biggest trigger was losing his siblings.
The moment they gave in to hatred, the more they got manipulated by this unknown unknown.
There is a saying that the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist.
"The Last" was blatant character assassination that made me hate Naruto as a character, despise hinata and the animation studio that had such an obsession with her. Now this might sound like ship talk but in my defense the last chapter (700) was pretty much about shipping. so~
1. Neji's "cupid" death as confirmed by Kishimoto himself didn't lead to anything as he needed a movie to explain naruto and hinata's get together anyway.
2. Hinata is a terrible big sister thinking about the scarf she's making instead of worrying about her kidnapped sister Hanabi who's had her eyes gouged out by the movie villain
3. retcon a scarf for naruto thats apparently Kushina's to which he discards in favor of Hinata's in the end is pretty much kicking his dead mothers grave.
4. retconning that naruto doesn't know crap about love and whenever he heard it he equates it for love for ramen, as well as Naruto loving sakura because he wanted to win over sasuke... If you've read the manga, you know very, VERY darn well Naruto knows what love is.
5. retconning Naruto and hinata being friends during early childhood (also side note this means he lied to his dead dads face about sakura being his girlfriend.) and also throws poor Iruka under the bus.
6. retconning naruto knowing shadow clone before he stole the scroll
7. alien hyuuga's is such a stupid idea.
8. the fact you needed to damage control, retcon, making naruto feel bad to get with hinata and even GENJUTSU him really hurts the pairing.
Also, the scarf thing was retarded since it was never mentioned at any point in the series and suddenly kushina made it for him which left me thinking what the fuck. Kishimoto also said in an interview he wanted the premise about Sasuke's adventures post fourth war but SP said fuck you and forced him to go with the focus of the film being on naruto and hinata.
Naruto confusing lust for love would have been believable.
I think Otsutsuki race is the worst thing to add in this anime
kaguya is just an ass pull plot device....naruto vs sasuke while boring as an ending to your series is a real developed 15 year story with characters we care about....thats the difference ...we don't and are not suppose to care about her..we want her beaten so we can get sasuke vs naruto ....also the anime gives you emotions more dialogue more fighting the great soundtrack more interactions that make it better than the manga or even say the video games...the naruto anime is great...the manga is ok..the games are solid but very skippy on certain plot points and rush things sometimes...i always suggest the anime.it gives you the feels...in the manga its hard to care about anyone honestly by the end...hinata legit was the only character i felt was not ruined by the end of the manga...i hated everyone else...even might guy staying alive felt weird when my fave dude gave it all up to beat madara i was so proud for him to go out that way as the best character but nope..he lived..smdh...
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You're right she sucked and Obito should have absorbed her Chakra pulling a plot twist and becoming the final villain.
hope kaguya comes back
Nah she's sealed away. It stayed that way.
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She may be the terrible villain, but she's a MlLF
So do you think kaguya is terrible? And is kaguya in your top5 pretty naruto girls
Your commentry man
Depth or bathos?
Like I said an attempt
Kaguya should have never been in the main series. Maybe in Boruto.
The only villain better than Madara is creepy as eff Orochimaru. He never really died but him now not being a baddy anymore is ehh... Whatever. 😒
hope kaguya comes back
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God the way you say there names
Honestly I’ve learned that’s a good thing. Good way to get people to post in your comments. :-)
Manga Jiren is good
I still think Naruto is gay to this day.
idek how to say their fuckin names right 😭
People forget naruto is a shonen anime. It's not so focused on romance.
the Kaguya's arch is disgusting
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