E,x actly that........ Very self explanatory transparent veiw that any one with a half a brain cell can see that's what happened..... The DA have been drooped 😊
ANC government is full of play. Even new Parliamentarians are ready to push their agenda. They learned from their predecessors that crime pays under ANC government. They don't care.
Transparency is really important though, we want to know what exactly is being discussed and the stances being taken in the negotiations. Now south africans are aware of DA's arrogance and how their apparant founder 'Helen Ziller' lied to south africans by claiming the DA is not after positions but change. This has revealed that the DA is infact after positions.
The DA must not compromise. They must get their fair share of cabinet posts. The ANC is negotiating in bad faith. They are not disturbing power equitably in cabinet.
What the ANC must appreciate is that a big ministry like finance or defense or foreign affairs is worth like four mickey mouse ministries like sport or tourism.
Thi is all done purposely to confuse the public. They realize that we aware that there's no such thing as gnu. But a coalition between the two. They have to act as if their not agreeing on anything.
@@nomalungelongcete5875What the ANC must appreciate is that a big ministry like finance or defense or foreign affairs is worth like four mickey mouse ministries like sport or tourism..
The electorate gave this government a clear mandate. Representation in cabinet should be proportional to the number of NA seats in the GNU. Power must be shared equitably. Anything else would be undermining the people's will. The ANC must stop negotiating in bad faith and relinquish the power it lost.
@@michaelmcilrath9466What the ANC must appreciate is that a big ministry like finance or defense or foreign affairs is worth like four mickey mouse ministries like sport or tourism.
My suggestion would be to say to cyril you have 40 DA have 20. that means 2 to 1. let sit around a table then you ( ANC) start you take 2 then I take 1 and so on. after all. the ANC and DA can then compromise for the the other small parties. So simple 2 to 1.
Maturity? Dude, we're dealing with politicians here. All of them have the gift of the gab, but cannot convert talking the talking into walking the walk.
@@LonelyTreeSunset So when Hellen Zille said they won't support Phalaphala impeachment they were greedy for positions? Now things aren't going their way. Steenhuisen also said they don't want positions. Yhuu ipolitics Bawo
GNU eliminates the political concept of OPPOSITION..No opposing as the Parliament work together to debate laws and pass instruments to be executed by the Executive.. In a perfect and fully practiced GNU , ALL elected Political Parties enter into a Power -sharing-- arrangements of the Executive proportionate to their elected vote percentage...and this must include all ,not a coalition of few parties. National unity government, government of national unity (GNU), or national union government is a broad coalition government consisting of all parties (or all major parties) in the legislature, usually formed during a time of war or other national emergency (and indeed unemployment,poverty rates are high) A unity government according to the principles of consensus democracy lacks opposition( or opposition parties are too small and negligible) coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. Coalition governments usually occur when no single party has achieved an absolute majority after an election. A party not having majority is common under proportional representation, but not in nations with majoritarian electoral systems. There are different forms of coalition governments, minority coalitions and surplus majority coalition governments. A surplus majority coalition government controls more than the absolute majority of seats in parliament necessary to have a majority in the government, whereas minority coalition governments do not hold the majority of legislative seats. A coalition government might also be created in a time of national difficulty or crisis (for example, during wartime or economic crisis) to give a government the high degree of perceived political legitimacy or collective identity, it can also play a role in diminishing internal political strife. In such times, parties have formed all-party coalitions (national unity governments, grand coalitions). If a coalition collapses, the Prime Minister and cabinet may be ousted by a vote of no confidence, call snap elections, form a new majority coalition, or continue as a minority government. The best GNU Can only be achieved when the power for executive positions is eliminated.. THE PROBLEM Here surfaces the issue of Coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. This is one of the reasons complete transformation from majoritarian to GNU fails.. Why...because the Political ideology of having a One Party Majority system still lingers. Only two perfect options to perfect GNU....In considerations of current Constitutional instruments, are Let All parties be represented in the Executive by their ELECTED Vote percentage. All parties should forward their desired candidature (equaling their percentage in parliament)to the Consulting Council which is represented by all parties. Secondly and Lastly.. The best medicine to eliminate the hunger for Political Parties power struggle of Cabinet positions is to allow for All Executive positions to be applied for and Vetted by Parliament...No MP 's appointment to Executive possitions...All other inportant positions like of intelligence..police. defence...judiciary..let them be decided for by Parliament...not President..his duty just be to execute what the parliament pass as wholly debated laws and policies that are monitored by parliamet.. GNU
100% Correct! Mbeki's GNU literally destroyed the opposition in Zimbabwe. Lessons to be learned... DA should contact Advocate Tendai Biti on how they were cheated in that farce of a GNU.
What the ANC must appreciate is that a big ministry like finance or defense or foreign affairs is worth like four mickey mouse ministries like sport or tourism. Proportional representation means at least the VP slot
No matter how much people like DA, this time they doing something not expected from them. They were actually supposed to apply discretion and given less than 6 seats so that the other small parties can get a piece as well. 30% should be distributed amongst the other small parties... Can't put a blind eye on a BULLY...
@@mamasmosoathu1364 It's very difficult to work with a lot of parties. They can be consulted but the decision should be with a few. That is why many community projects fail, too many chiefs eventually the project fail and everyone abandon it.
No worries if the DA pulls out of GNU, the racist Rand can fall, Leaders must strengthen ties in BRICS and the Africa Free Trade Agreements. Remember BRICS will have its own currency independent of the US dollar. Make the manipulated Rand/Dollar partnership irrelevant. For how long will SA be held at ransom by WMC. If the West does not take the interest of the black majority of SA, lets turn to the East....There are many options
US and EU are falling apart they want to sell their debt to us.The falling of the dollar it's a gun point to Ramaphosa remember he's a business that do business with the west,so he's protecting his investments and his chomies from Stelli.We are hostages of the west.Western influence is dying all over the world.ANC,EFF&MKP and put their differences away.
Hahaha! What has South Africa gained from BRICS in all these years? Just like with the relationship with the west, the big bullies win and the little guy loses. Same game, different bully.
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The DA supported Cyril as promised. Now the ANC is going back on their word. Surprised??
E,x actly that........ Very self explanatory transparent veiw that any one with a half a brain cell can see that's what happened..... The DA have been drooped 😊
The president he can’t take the responsibility because they are people Running the show
ANC is joke, Rupert is still calling the shots. Wake up
ANC have no choice but to conclude the deal initiated in 1994
They are sweating. Were they signing secret deals while all of us were sleeping?
After 30 years we have nothing in our land
ANC government is full of play. Even new Parliamentarians are ready to push their agenda. They learned from their predecessors that crime pays under ANC government. They don't care.
Where do you get this information? This is just a childish attempt to mislead and create fake news . You are being blatantly dishonest!
Transparency is really important though, we want to know what exactly is being discussed and the stances being taken in the negotiations. Now south africans are aware of DA's arrogance and how their apparant founder 'Helen Ziller' lied to south africans by claiming the DA is not after positions but change. This has revealed that the DA is infact after positions.
The DA must not compromise. They must get their fair share of cabinet posts. The ANC is negotiating in bad faith. They are not disturbing power equitably in cabinet.
It's not arrogant to stick to a letter of intent and demand your fair share of cabinet. The ANC lost its majority.
@@LonelyTreeSunsetI agree with you 100%. Ramaphosa must also not forget its thanks to the DA that he remains President.
The DA must not compromise. They must get their fair share of cabinet posts. The ANC is negotiating in bad faith.
What the ANC must appreciate is that a big ministry like finance or defense or foreign affairs is worth like four mickey mouse ministries like sport or tourism.
This "expert" is talking nonsense. It is the ANC that is showing lack of maturity and lack of good faith, period.👎🏼😡🤬
Who has been leaking letters outlining demands?
The DA makes up 30% of the GNU. Give them 30% of the cabinet with ministries which deal with issues/policies where both the ANC and DA are aligned.
Thi is all done purposely to confuse the public. They realize that we aware that there's no such thing as gnu. But a coalition between the two. They have to act as if their not agreeing on anything.
Waiting for what ? Ramaphosa is a traitor and a criminal, anc is incompetant ..do we need to wait another 30years ..doti zabantu
I find it odd that the media are consistently attacking the DA when the ANC is the one clinging to a higher proportion of cabinet posts.
All politicians are dotis
We need a serious revolution we are still oppressed
@@nomalungelongcete5875What the ANC must appreciate is that a big ministry like finance or defense or foreign affairs is worth like four mickey mouse ministries like sport or tourism..
@@jimmycricket5366
All politicians are dotis
The electorate gave this government a clear mandate. Representation in cabinet should be proportional to the number of NA seats in the GNU. Power must be shared equitably. Anything else would be undermining the people's will. The ANC must stop negotiating in bad faith and relinquish the power it lost.
SMWX. report shows otherwise… that it is the ANC Who is using propaganda to be duplicitous!!!
@@michaelmcilrath9466 that guy is more a politician than a doctor
@@michaelmcilrath9466What the ANC must appreciate is that a big ministry like finance or defense or foreign affairs is worth like four mickey mouse ministries like sport or tourism.
The is no proportional representation in cabinet, in cabinet the President decides.
@@tshelemosia4644 That's laughable. If the president decides everything then there is no point to the GNU 😂🤣😂
My suggestion would be to say to cyril you have 40 DA have 20. that means 2 to 1. let sit around a table then you ( ANC) start you take 2 then I take 1 and so on. after all. the ANC and DA can then compromise for the the other small parties. So simple 2 to 1.
Great suggestion. What about the presidium? DA should get VP.
@@jimmycricket5366 I would suggest the IFP as VP
@@jimmycricket5366 I have to justify : John is to white and "te lig in die broek"
Maturity? Dude, we're dealing with politicians here. All of them have the gift of the gab, but cannot convert talking the talking into walking the walk.
How do you expect to be in a coalition whilst you differ in policy? I don't even believe the DA got the percentage that is being shown.
Which world are u living in
@@VanessaNaidoo-me6tbThe DA must not compromise. They must get their fair share of cabinet posts. The ANC is negotiating in bad faith.
@@LonelyTreeSunset
So when Hellen Zille said they won't support Phalaphala impeachment they were greedy for positions? Now things aren't going their way. Steenhuisen also said they don't want positions. Yhuu ipolitics Bawo
@@nomalungelongcete5875 Ngamanyoronyoro bonke
You are right, why in the world would they join the IEC in opposing the MK at the electoral court.
GNU eliminates the political concept of OPPOSITION..No opposing as the Parliament work together to debate laws and pass instruments to be executed by the Executive..
In a perfect and fully practiced GNU , ALL elected Political Parties enter into a Power -sharing-- arrangements of the Executive proportionate to their elected vote percentage...and this must include all ,not a coalition of few parties.
National unity government, government of national unity (GNU), or national union government is a broad coalition government consisting of all parties (or all major parties) in the legislature, usually formed during a time of war or other national emergency (and indeed unemployment,poverty rates are high)
A unity government according to the principles of consensus democracy lacks opposition( or opposition parties are too small and negligible)
coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. Coalition governments usually occur when no single party has achieved an absolute majority after an election. A party not having majority is common under proportional representation, but not in nations with majoritarian electoral systems.
There are different forms of coalition governments, minority coalitions and surplus majority coalition governments. A surplus majority coalition government controls more than the absolute majority of seats in parliament necessary to have a majority in the government, whereas minority coalition governments do not hold the majority of legislative seats.
A coalition government might also be created in a time of national difficulty or crisis (for example, during wartime or economic crisis) to give a government the high degree of perceived political legitimacy or collective identity, it can also play a role in diminishing internal political strife.
In such times, parties have formed all-party coalitions (national unity governments, grand coalitions). If a coalition collapses, the Prime Minister and cabinet may be ousted by a vote of no confidence, call snap elections, form a new majority coalition, or continue as a minority government.
The best GNU Can only be achieved when the power for executive positions is eliminated..
THE PROBLEM
Here surfaces the issue of Coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. This is one of the reasons complete transformation from majoritarian to GNU fails..
Why...because the Political ideology of having a One Party Majority system still lingers.
Only two perfect options to perfect GNU....In considerations of current Constitutional instruments, are
Let All parties be represented in the Executive by their ELECTED Vote percentage. All parties should forward their desired candidature (equaling their percentage in parliament)to the Consulting Council which is represented by all parties.
Secondly and Lastly..
The best medicine to eliminate the hunger for Political Parties power struggle of Cabinet positions is to allow for All Executive positions to be applied for and Vetted by Parliament...No MP 's appointment to Executive possitions...All other inportant positions like of intelligence..police. defence...judiciary..let them be decided for by Parliament...not President..his duty just be to execute what the parliament pass as wholly debated laws and policies that are monitored by parliamet..
GNU
U guys are behind...
ANC Of no Ramaphosa is going to rescue SA and implement a perfect GNU..
I Foresee the outgoing of Pres Rams...ANC should find the replacement and engage with all parties afresh...as simple as that. .
That man was doing well until he mentioned the thabo mbeki Zimbabwean gnu.mbeki let Zimbabweans down.mugabe had lost the elections to tsvangirai
100% Correct! Mbeki's GNU literally destroyed the opposition in Zimbabwe. Lessons to be learned... DA should contact Advocate Tendai Biti on how they were cheated in that farce of a GNU.
Mbalula negotiator?😂that's jokes;he never face or experience negotiations of this kind,it's high bar
Anc are being sharks, fair would be some meaty portfolios but DA currently being offered none .
What the ANC must appreciate is that a big ministry like finance or defense or foreign affairs is worth like four mickey mouse ministries like sport or tourism. Proportional representation means at least the VP slot
They waiting for world cup as in Mandela time
Well say no da the must go way
The ANC invited more smaller parties to join the GNU to strengthen their position. Now they think they can take the DA's seats to weaken the DA.
No matter how much people like DA, this time they doing something not expected from them. They were actually supposed to apply discretion and given less than 6 seats so that the other small parties can get a piece as well.
30% should be distributed amongst the other small parties...
Can't put a blind eye on a BULLY...
@@mamasmosoathu1364 It's very difficult to work with a lot of parties.
They can be consulted but the decision should be with a few. That is why many community projects fail, too many chiefs eventually the project fail and everyone abandon it.
@@EdmundWilliamWessels I hear you...
How can anc nandate mbalula to be a keader of the negotiation. That is where the problem lies.
I believe they should meet in person, and not leave the room until they have concluded a deal.
No worries if the DA pulls out of GNU, the racist Rand can fall, Leaders must strengthen ties in BRICS and the Africa Free Trade Agreements. Remember BRICS will have its own currency independent of the US dollar. Make the manipulated Rand/Dollar partnership irrelevant. For how long will SA be held at ransom by WMC. If the West does not take the interest of the black majority of SA, lets turn to the East....There are many options
That outcome would have enormous ramifications for SA going forward.
Indeed
@@LonelyTreeSunset western agenda
US and EU are falling apart they want to sell their debt to us.The falling of the dollar it's a gun point to Ramaphosa remember he's a business that do business with the west,so he's protecting his investments and his chomies from Stelli.We are hostages of the west.Western influence is dying all over the world.ANC,EFF&MKP and put their differences away.
Hahaha! What has South Africa gained from BRICS in all these years? Just like with the relationship with the west, the big bullies win and the little guy loses. Same game, different bully.
Ramaphosa is divisiive. he split ANC and now GNU.
Painful to listen to justification of poorly managed events. The blame game to justify your idea of ideologies is even worse 😮
Its tough game 🎮 between puppet party of openharmus playing south african minerals and resources but problem voters they don't know nothing
Shem for the voters 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
That is why thet need experience and neutral mediators to come to an conclusion
Why ANC respond publically also...
*publically* 🤔🤔
Some balance. Good.
And we all know who is immature. Gogo.