Diesel Powered Roller Compactor, Sitting 30 years, Will it ever Run again???
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2022
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I am pretty sure that engine is a F3L 812. I have the same engine as a 4 cylinder in my tractor. Here in Germany they are a dime a dozen and every farmer knows how to fix them. Parts are very cheap. You should definedly get the glowplugs working, in cold weather they will not start without them. And also, you can get the cooling shrowd out without taking the injector lines off, its tight but it works. Looking forward to seeing that old thing run. They quit making the 812 series in 1969 so its propably a mid 60s machine.
You’re a good man for explaining so well.
locally built, large availability = low cost and lots of parts.
Deutz parts in North America, rare and expensive.
I have older Deutz . Loud but run nice
I dont like the newer rubber timing belt models. I had one water cooled Deutz blow up from rubber belt failure.
i believe Deutz came from Rudolph Diesel originally.
I had a Krupp 120ton AT krane also.
A danke.
It's not f3l 812 but rather f3l 913 or 912, only difference is in cylinder diameter, but is wary small difference
@@MechanicB123 912 and 913 are direct injected. This engine has glowplugs, so more likely an 812 which has indirect injection.
So by a show of hands, who knew we would see a little fire when he brought out the torch and the starting fluid????
Exactly
It would be a boring video without any fire
Kinda like trying to set the bead on a tubeless tire 🤣
It's just a method of preheating the intake ? 🤷♂🤣🤣
All Zipties fans did.
I've got to hand it to you. Trying to start a diesel that has been sitting for 30ish years is hard enough. Trying to do it below freezing while it's snowing shows your character and determination. As always I love all your content.
True and valid, this guy is a hard nut!! A fine role model for my 6-year-old grandson who l o v e s the channel! (without understanding one word of it) I hope it will be one mighty incentive for him to learn English... Mike and Lenny from Dresden, Germany!
while I agree with that. It is much easier to work outside in winter in the sun with no wind
@@Xlaxsauce those days are delightful but hard to come by
@@DieselCreek I bet you cant wait for summer Matt, love to see when it gets nice and warm and your diesels start right up.
The moment you had the blow torch running and sprayed the starting fluid, I was thinking, looks like a perfect ingredients for a huge boom. And you didn't disappoint me either. I was wondering if you still have your eyebrows... But it looks like you survived okay. Waiting on the second part now.
Yah I figured that would happen 🤣
Propane torch, ether, What could possibly go wrong?
"I'm going out on a limb here" - had me in stitches. Ok, that might be exaggerated, but I really enjoy your dry humour just as much as your mechanical improvisation skills! Cheers from Switzerland
First comment I see, is what I was going to write! Paused vid at 16:16 to do it!
Cheers Matt and Switzerland's T. Baer!
@@daveyjahosaphat1428 And he delivers it with a straight face. Love it.
'I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.' Proceeds to remove cover with no further damage, correctly identifies the 37 fixed and moving components inside, and can instantly see exactly how the replacement shaft must be fitted. Fits it.
Brilliant stuff. I so love Diesel Creek adventures.
Just my thoughts, also!
:-D
There's some people in this world that just understand mechanical engineering and I would include Matt in that group
The willingness to try, and the learning and adventures which ensue are what the channel is all about. Same reason I watch Derek on VGG. Truly living one's life involves taking risks.
It’s all just common sense after I stare at it long enough
@@DieselCreek :-D
Its a shame the old Deutz is so rare in the U.S., they are some of THE most used Diesels in the world and fool prof and reliable. Love your videos...... !
Thanks for a cheerful approach and good quality video. I enjoy your attitude and western Pa. home boy persona.
"At this juncture I'd like to reiterate that I have no idea what I'm doing"
😂😂😂
One of the many reasons why I love this channel.
True, could be my words!! ... but be sure... Matt has a "feel" for it!! Like a singer-songwriter who never "studied" what he does so successfully!
My favorite approach - Well, yea... Let's just connect the battery and see if anything catches on fire. 😉
🔥🔥🔥🔥💥💥😂
Safety third...
Big Moe's in San Antonio Texas is THE place to go with troublesome starters. Of late, I always seem to find myself working on projects that need antiquated motors diagnosed, repaired, or rebuilt. I took an early winch motor in to them to be diagnosed and rebuilt. When it was all over with, I had a motor that was rebuilt from tip to tail and they didn't even know what kind of motor it was (and we STILL don't). Their workmanship is second to none. Prices are very reasonable.
We have4 Duetz diesels on our farm. My grandfather bought two tractors in like 1981 or so that we still have and they still running strong on the original engines. And we have two 6 cylinder industrial units on deep water wells. Great motors
These Deutz engines are really but REALLY bullet proof. I work here with the same engine on our Deutz D4506 tractor. Our tractor has not recieved new oil, oil filter or diesel filter or any filters for atleast 15 years. It still runs like a clock even without any service on it after all these years. The tractor is made in 1972. I love them. always start. Never let us down. Has no heater for the diesel so you can't preheath. It is direct injected. you have a reliable engine there.
Hi Matt, I did own exactly the same machine, its a "dynapac" hope you get it running, its a very powerfull compacter. Also check the big V-belts going to the vibrator. I always watch your videos, really like it. Looking out for the next one.
This is subscriber Ronnie on my Wife's table.
Hey Matt, a little tip.
A magnet works wonders finding screws, nuts and other metal parts in snow.
Great vid to watch during Superbowl not funny commercials.
It's gonna take a while to watch this one.
I really like these videos where you troubleshoot and fix old, neglected equipment. Great job Matt!
A tip we used to do when trying to start 6.0 poerstrokes in the cold. Was take a ruber exhaust hose from a shop. Put it from the tailpipe of a warm truck and stick it in the intake of whatever your trying to start. It works every time. Keep it up Matt
That's a good tip. In a diesel, there should be plenty of oxygen left for the engine to fire up.
You just gave the expression “ shade tree Mechanic “ a new meaning when you went “ out on limb” with this one. Loved the vid, looking forward to that engine running, and I have no doubt it will. Thanks for the ride along Matt.
we are not dissapointed Mr Matt. We are fortunate that you exist, and that share your life with us!
Brother what you need to remember is that we can't complain about free content! Thanks for the videos!
Try removing the drive shaft off the front of the engine to get a little more cranking speed>
Your explanations of what you see and are doing sets your channel apart from other crazy peeps, and makes it worth watching.
May as one who has driven a trailer backwards I’m very impressed with you navigating your driveway backwards
Wow! - You got snow! Reminds me of why I don't live in the northeast anymore. "....going out on a limb...." huh??!! Good one! I admire your bravery and sense of adventure in taking on getting a piece of machinery running of which you know nothing about, and which you always end up learning a lot about. I see by a lot of the comments below that you're getting a lot of help from the residents of your engine's native country, and also other owners of this piece of equipment, so good luck with this latest project!
Legend has it, if Matt collects 2 more rollers.......he will have the Infinity roller and the mad man will flatten the whole Earth! Oh God!
Avengers level event as all the old decrepit heavy equipment across the universe suddenly work again and have spraygun restorations
What’s he got now? 4, 5?
Okay, so I was laughing hysterically when you laid that propane bottle up there and started spraying starter fluid. All I could think was "What could possibly go wrong?" I had this vision of fire trucks and first responders all standing around after the fire was out and just shaking their heads and you sitting on the ground naked and charred from the explosion like an old Charlie Chaplin silent movie. 🤣
I have the same torch and it has a pressure relief on it. I learned that the hard way. Left it on a stack of split wood that caught fire from the heat of my fire pit and the bottle was just burnt and there was no propane left, and no explosion.
My name is Matt, I am a walking talking safety brief
I was just waiting. All I could think of was fuel /air bomb! Quell surprise!
Yeah! I saw that and thought " what the hell is he thinking"
"Come with me, and you'll see
A world of OSHA violations..."
Found the key right away! Sweet! 😃
Oh dang! No worky!
See ya next video!👍
Hey Matt, i dont know how you always do this...
I found your channel while looking for info on Hatz diesel compactors since I got one last summer. You uploaded your video about yours just a week prior and I'm following ever since.
AND KNOW A DEUTZ THAT HAS BEEN SITTING FOR 30 YEARS!!,
just like mine!! Sitting since 91!! Got it like a month ago. On a tractor tho, in the 2 cylinder version. Got it running on Wednesday😊😊😊🤯
Always a blast, to watch you working on those old machines. Motivates me to get my crap in "order".
Greetings from Germany🇩🇪
This is quite possibly my favorite channel on RUclips! Not only do I enjoy Matt's personality and sheer intuition. There are so few channels that I consider to be quality and congratulations Matt your one of those few!
I agree
Wow thanks so much!!!
@@DieselCreek keep upthe great work Matt! I look forward to seeing what you have in store for us
I'm disappointed we missed the fresh manure being spread...
I saw the manure too. My thought was "I bet that smells wonderful.....:
More where that came from, Other Wes!
That depends if you are upwind or down wind ; )
Yeah but you got to watch the "same old manure" that we all love to watch Matt get involved with. I am completely satisfied.
I thought this was going to be the final episode after seeing him break out the starting fluid with an open flame near by! 🤣🤦♂️
I pulled one of these on my school holidays and weekends for a road builder 1975,6 when i was a 15 year kid.
Was good work and I earned enough money with a few other jobs to always have money in my pocket and buy whatever I wanted.
Kids can't do that today....insurance companies made sure of that.
Big thumbs up for your persistence and humor Matt!
@20:39... who didn't see that coming? Matt! And yes, "kettle", we are both black. Love the old equipment recycling videos and am jealous, especially of the "free" aspect of your picks. Keep up your standard work and you will get it running again. You're doing a great job. Love the video.
The way it was cranking, I suspected it was a starter issue. On the edge of my seat to see it go!!
I have a Mercedes w124 240d that is doing that, it sounded a bit slow as it only had three of the four brushes wired up.
I love watching your channel of my past life doing what you are doing, the frustrations, the cussing and all that it is really interesting, also love the music.
I watched you dismantle that throttle unit, with a wry smile, I’m a seventy year old, who can say they were only ever smacked by their Dad, once…….he caught me using a screwdriver as a chisel.
A cardinal sin, in his mind and a lifelong lesson, never forgotten (and a practice never again perpetrated).
Thanks once again for sharing your fun, with us, all over the globe.
My screw drivers actually have a through-shank and a striking cap on them. They are actually made to be hammered! Still wouldn’t call them a chisel but perfect for what I was doing. Glad you like the show!
You sure got some awesome stuff. I enjoy watching you bring the old equipment back to life and put them to work. Keep on doing what you do . Looking forward to you getting your shop done .
I am giving this a like without even seen it. These industrial tools need to be preserved and we need to educate everyone about them.
They define human kind.
Matt is a great teacher.
nah we need to spend our educational resources and time on CRT, mmkay
Matt, nobody is disappointed that you didn't get it running in 42 minutes, because now we know we have another video coming... 👌
I thought I had a problem buying too much junk. I bought a South Bend lathe in 2015 and it still isn’t running. Do yourself a favor and stop buying so much junk! It seems like it would help your channel to do a few multi-part series where you take one machine and take us through several processes on one machine. Basically what you’re doing now, but not so much clapped metal. The loader(don’t get me started…), the dump truck, the heavy trailer, the crane, the whacked out church building (OK, I miss the church and I really want to see you work on that some more.)! I feel heavily invested in this channel all of a sudden.🤪
Never ever give up....if they can make it, you can fix it, may take a while...but you'll getrdone....keep the faith, WE have, thats why we keep watching !
Expensive piston in those engines
But some of the highest quality made.
Good engines
Looks cool Matt and your pronunciation of Deutz is perfecto!
What fond memories of my past working life , using such a bit of gear, while employed by the State Roads authority. And pulling it behind a open cab 'farm' tractor. And behind graders, a sure way to teach patience...Thanks Matt !!! [ Western Australia ]
A tip for when you build your shop, go bigger than you initially want. Its always turn out too small! :D
Right call on the starter, I don’t think she was spinning fast enough to start.
On starter theory, the usual problem is that they are full of coils of wire that are insulated by very thin shellac, which burns off easily whenever they are run too long and overheat. Then with in insulation burnt off the coils, the electricity shorts right through instead of going around in circles like it is supposed to.
That’s why I like this channel so much, the chance for a legit reason to use a sledgehammer is HIGH!
Probably not the first time you have gone "Out on a limb" love it. Disappointment is always better when a project comes together in the end.
You gonna need a bigger hammer for that ram.
I am amazed that you didn't put a new fuel filter on it before trying so hard to start it, especially after seeing what the inside of the pump looked like. Thank for sharing!!!
Looked like the filter was by-passed when the temp tank was installed to me. But l could be wrong.
The fuel filter suppose to screw on top of the oil filter housing. The lines had been cut off. But since he use an external tank He know that the fuel in his tank is clean so to start it I don't think he need a fuel filter.
I checked the flow. It has tons of fuel getting to the pump
And all of a sudden sunshine 🌞 and its a beautiful day ....it's actually raining here in in the UK..but it's now a wonderful day 😀 ☺
Peace n love from Cumbria UK 🇬🇧 ❤
I would be hooking up a lead to those glow plugs and letting them work as she spun over. Always fun finding all the quirks and features of old equipment, then trying to chase down what's failed and what can be fixed later.
Matt, you probably know this, when you pour the floor for your shop, don't let them use the old concrete cure, go to a industrial dealer and get a industrial dealer. Put it on as soon as the concrete is cured. You can keep it clear or add a color later. I would suggest a light tan, broom sweeps easy and also it is easy to wash down.
From experience, my 2 cents.
I finished all the walls with white roof metal 8 ft high. All the electrical outlets were 4 plex. I also put an exhaust fan in the top of the roof, big one will take smoke out in 5 minutes. Have fun.
Curious why you didn’t disconnect the drive shaft as I’m sure it caused draw on the system while trying to start. I disconnect my pump during cold start. Makes a big difference.
Fire in the hole!
Id also recommend pulling the injectors and squirting some oil down into the cylinders, taking out the injectors is really easy on these engines.
We do that most of the time when we reuse old Deutz engines.
I work at a Deutz dealership, if u need advice hit me up.
I know many of us. We're yelling don't spray the ether with the torch running matt. Thanks for keeping things interesting ☺️
I love your torsional rotational encouragement device.
We’ve been fighting trying to get my roller going after sitting many years as well. Think we’re close now. Rebuilding the carb as we speak. My videos will be up on it in around a week
Matt. . . we are never disappointed in a piece of your equipment not turing over by the end of the first video. We watch because we learn what you learn while trying to start it. We also know that there will be more with getting all the Nik Naks fixed up on this thing to make it working.
So regardless if it is an old church, a golf cart, $200 truck, or a grader; we are here to see your experiance through it all.
I am here for the bad jokes and songs.
I’m sure the next video will be worth waiting for. I like the way you are not afraid to dig into anything.
We all know that you will get it done since you need it the problem was getting parts for it and the time to receive them. Keep going.
We all Know generally if it's big and free there's usually something on it that will eventually cost quite a few dollars. Thanks Matt I'll be back to see what else this compactor throw at you.
Dazza From Australia. Persistence Usually pays off.
Its always educational watching you work things out Matt, no matter how long it takes. Just keep at'her and get it done.
David in the U.K.
Yeah, you can learn not to spray ether (which is OBVIOUSLY very flammable, that's the whole point) onto a lit blowtorch
Sorry but the either flames around the torch was very entertaining. Thank you for the chuckle. Keep up repairing the slightly used machinery.
I recently found your channel and am enjoying the heck out of it. I grew up just outside of Butler. I left in 1972 to join the Marine Corps and now live in West Central Florida. (NO SNOW)
Sometimes its difficult to start an engine when its cold when it has no issues,but this is another kettle of soup, no glow plugs,crappy starter,cables,drag from the drive etc.you get it,I'll wait for part 2,great content and don't worry about audio issues this isn't Cinema scope ya know🤗😎🤗😎
I see quite a few vintage Deutz air-cooled farm tractors in South Central PA still being used on farms, they must be durable.
My movo shotgun mic really improved my audio on my channel. Thanks for all the hard work Matt.
I gave you a thumbs up for spraying ether into the intake that you'd just heated with a blow torch...and left it in the video, most would have cut it out to look all professional. Love the videos, keep em coming
Hi Matt, love your videos, does look like the spinning speed was too low for the engine to pop off on. But this type of deutz engine (F3L812) is an indirect injection engine so you really need the glow plugs working. But beware with them the are most of the time just 2 volt type. So there should be a big resistor somewhere that's in series to regulate the voltage.
Don't you know that "Will It Run" videos ALWAYS end with it running (or failing spectacularly)? I guess it did catch fire, once.
Oh man, Thank you for that! @20:43 Matt became a member of the Mortske club! I was watching, thinking, this boys about to learn somethin!
I like that you give sneak peeks at the end of you videos gives me something to look forward to
The first question I asked myself was:'Will it start?' Well, I'm staying tuned for part two. ... Cheers...
Matt , here in Europe we have plenty of these old Deutz engines around , and i know one thing : they can be pretty difficult coldstarters in freezing temperature and if they done a lot of hours . Does your engine have a glow plug in the inletmanifold like in mine ? If so , put some 12V on the glowplug for about 20-30 seconds before cranking . My 3cyl Deutz starts pretty well but it has done only 8000hrs .
i think his "glow plugs" are nicknamed a propane torch lol
Yeas, those Deutz engines are really hard to start due to the fact that they are usually not direct injection, but have a precombustion chamber setup. That needs some time to get warm, especially with old school glow plugs.
And even if your Deutz engine is worn down to bits, that's not too big off an issue. One of the greatest things about them is their repeatability. It doesn't matter if you have a single cylinder, two or six. The engines only differ in the injection pump, crankcase and shaft. Every piston, head and cylinderhousing/sleve is the same. That makes for great parts availability. Like a piston with rings and cylindersleeve only costs around 200€ for some engine families. And with them not being in one single block you can just chance them easily too. They're just fixed with the headbolts into the block. Experienced personal can switch the complete upper engine in about half an hour. It's all so simple. I.e. for adjusting the compression/clearance between the head and cylinder, you just put washers between the block and sleeve. Deutz recommended method of measuring the clearance is just to put a piece of soldering wire onto the piston and to turn the engine over.
The wire gets smashed and you can measure your current clearance.
Edit: As for your "shut-off" lever. Often those Bosch pumps have their run position pushed int and it a pull out all the way to stop. Inbetween, before you start to feel the spring action there is usually a third position to give you more diesel during start up.
There are actually glow plugs, right behind the injectors, the wire could be seen not connected, would just take another jumper wire from the positve post on the battery for around 30sec before cranking and the chances of starting up would multiply...
:-D
@@horstszibulski19 I know lol but he was using the torch as an intake heater
USA youtubers stubbornly refuse to use the glow plugs. 30 seconds or more is needed.
Thumbs up for show the work to this point. I can’t wail to see part two.
Mat from Diesel Creek and Andrew Camarata. Both doing their bit to keep the American second hand equipment market going in tough times.😁
Great video Matt! Nothing like wrenching on equipment in the great outdoors. The whole time you were turning it over, I kept telling myself it’s just turning too slow. I was surprised not to see a little smoke from the ether though. Looking forward to part II.
It's amazing that you can find parts for a Deutz diesel of that age. Good job and thank you Matt!!
Bonus points for a torch in one hand, and a can of ether in the other!!
Great hearing the shout outs to other channels because that's how I ended up here enjoying your content.
Matt ! I have no doubt what so ever that you will get that beauty running! Just makes part two all the sweeter.Cant wait to see it run and have you dragging it around!Keep up the good work and catch you later mate.Shaun.North Wales.UK.
Stripping down a Bosch governor like that - takes shade tree rebuilds to whole different level 🤣
Just don't stand near the crankcase until you're certain top governor is going to work, you don't want to win a connecting rod.
all I am doing is holding my breath keep going I am so happy to see all this I am 90 so I worked a lot of these beautys...Joan
The Quartermaster *
Matt,
You are one persistent sob! This compactor has met it's match! It is so bloody obvious you have an incredible amount of knowledge and more tha equal to the task. Can't wait to see video 2 and that old girl come back to life!!
You'll get it fired up and running, I'm sure of that, Matt! With something as old and "stagnant" as that old roller, it's inevitable that you're going to have to throw some money at it to get it going again. I know you know that. I will be clapping my hands in delight with you when it turns over!
Jij bent een door zetter en dan komt het goed 💪👍
Groetjes uit Holland 👋🏼
Useful tip (from my wife). Clean and save plastic trays food (usually meat & veg) come in. They are really useful for putting bits in when you are dis assembling / repairing anything. Use several to keep various bits and pieces together for various components etc. This way you dont loose things or mix them up.
Thanks for another interesting video.
Hey, there Matt. If you get a break on that Aero Kroil, I would be spraying that all over every fastener a day before I started work on anything. That stuff is great.
Open flame and just a little starting fluid… Matt bad idea bad idea ….oh what the hell just go for it. Lol
Matt, I really enjoy you videos and they have inspired me to get back in the shop after a lengthy illness and get my own projects done. Keep the old iron running and keep safe.Rod from Manitoba, Canada.
Good for you Rod!
Stick to ur guns n never back down, it'll come around. Country needs young folk like you to build their dreams n help build back our country. We like your gitterdun attitude. Cheers
The whole time I was saying to my self was that starter motor needed cleaning out the brushes get stuck and the commutator needs cleaning which is easy just with sandpaper and then you bust up a hacksaw blade and use it to clean in between the copper teeth then you might of had a chance but you cooked it unfortunately, I admire you’re determination you will go a long way sir ,life is all about accumulating knowledge and you are well on the way there and thank you for you’re quality videos
I’d remove that drive shaft in front until the engine is running good then reinstall it . There may be enough of a drag on it to slow the engine turning over , considering it has been sitting a long time.
Genuinely never even considered that 🤦🏼♂️
Agreed, was always told when having difficulty starting anything remove as much load as possible
@@benmac940 Its common sense that just hadn't even entered my mind.
@@DieselCreek we all overlook even the simplest of things occasionally. You do remarkably well with these old machines.
Not necessary. There is centrifugal clutch in drive pulley.
Working on vehicles in the snow is the worst, but someone has to do it. Just glad it's not me 😂
Its so satisfying watching this content. Like a substitute for mye lack of tinkering.
40 years ago at the job ,we had a 2 cylinder deutz engine on a conveter stacker,couldnt kill it it worked hard
Ether and an open flame always a good thing. to bad about the starter hopefully the new one does the trick
Hello, Matt!
This machine is going to be much needed around your properties!
Well compacted ground won't turn into a muddy rut mess, and
cement and asphalt lay better on hard ground, crack free.
🤣open flame gas torch and a can of starter fluid . Who didn’t see that coming 🤣 and when the little key pinged off , who hasn’t had that happen ! Great vid as always , keep them coming 👍👍👍
A genius is 1% talent and 99% hard work. Albert Einstein was right! I really enjoy your enthusiasm and persistence in doing something despite difficulty in achieving success.