Exacto este fue la canción de Apertura le sigue Planet Hell luego Ever Dreams lo más dramático la carta de amor y de despecho para Tarja luego le sigue The Kinslayer luego le sigue la épica y preferida de todos el cover de El Fantasma de la Opera luego le sigue The Siren la que lleva la marca de Tarja su imnotizante voz luego de esa está Sleeping Sun le sigue Blees the Chilld, Wismaster, Slaying the Dreams hay más pero hasta ahi mientras puede seguir reaccionando son 18 canciones de este concierto lo recomiendo todas 😏🤘🏻
Tarja told the band she wanted to leave Nightwish, the band has had its ups and downs and Tarja wanted more freedom and independence, the tours were hard on her, she was ill a lot and the guys seemed to have been quite restless on that bus. Emppu and later Marko said it was the feud between the managements, Nightwish and Tarja's (also her husband), that caused the main rift. Both managements were flawed, to say it nicely, for different reasons. Marko and Tarja reconciled and he said he understood better her point of view after talking to her. Tuomas in 2008 said that he tried contacting her and that he wished to reestablish a friendship, but that never really led anywhere.
Exacto tu si conoces la historia es así la parte dirigencial de la banda fue la clave para que Sammy , Tarja y Marco se desvincularan de la banda no toda desición lo toma Tuomas hay directivos ejecutivos por detrás 😔
There is also a press *Tarja Turunen press conf (with SUBTITLES) / post NW break up* Tuomas and Tarja know each other since the age of 12 years old, same school, and town, there is video of them in music class they are so young. Tuomas had feelings for Tarja, the love songs that were written in her era you won't see it written again later on, documentaries, interviews, hints, body language that can't be faked, many may disagree but many, including me can see it. You need to see *Ever Dream* from this concert. I think because she did wanted to pursue her solo career, which many singers do, also things changed when she got married and her husband being involved caused tension, there is so much behind that. Everyone keeps forgetting that Tarja joined the band at a young age and the band went big fast, she was a young girl surrounded by a bunch of wild guys, drinking and smoking, she said it was very hard to maintain her voice and health, it was different times. To be fair there is always two sides of the story and no one was actually there to see what really happened on both ends.
Thank you for reacting to another great song from this concert! An epic concert you should react is From Wishes to Eternity DVD and especially the song Deep silent complete.Tarja sings like a siren❤
Since you will be diving into Poet and the Pendulum, you also should react to her response with the song Diva. Just as when you react to Master Passion greed, her response was Enough. Always remember there are 2 or more sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth
There is no full story, nobody knows the FULL story. It is very simple to understand: the band fired the main lead singer, and when a singer of a beloved band leaves, the fans have to suffer (you must have been a fan of them from the begining to understand this, it is impossible now). The fans hated the band for this decision that could be the end of Nightwish. Tuomos had depression because of this and wrote those songs to cope. The songs are wonderful and there is no story you need to know besides that the songs are created from this dark place. No need to dig deeper, the drama is long gone, and you would not understand it anyway if you were not a fan at those times. I would suggest to NOT read this long gone drama that really has no place right now, both the band and Tarja admited their faults and Tuomas himself said that the letter was a MISTAKE.
Y lo admitió en público en una entrevista así que solo quedarse con la carta de Nightwish ya es estupido siendo que el creador de esa carta admite error Tarja también por su parte dijo que fue un error apresurar todo pero que la banda ya sabía que ella se iba Tarja nunca fue expulsada ella antes ya había renunciado a la banda y por inmadurez Tuomas creo la carta 😔 era obvio el dolor y rabia que sentía se estaba separando de su Cofundadora su Musa su gran amor y administración era lógico que entrara en una etapa depresiva y se quiera suicidar lo quiso hacer en la vida real pero por cosas del destino prefirió suicidarse con sus letras como un Poeta
Me encanta que escuches a Tarja!!! Slaying the dreamer y ever dream con ella escucha por favor 🙏 jaja me encantan con Tarja Pero aparte ella es muy cálida con su publico❤ saludos cynthia de Argentina
Thanks for sharing one of your cats & reaction to a song about a person's (Actually Tuomas himself) journey to reclaim his/her lost dream - a dream of a world of pure innocence and possibilities that has been stolen from them by adulthood. P.S. On a related issue, the guitarist Emppu (Actual name Erno) Vuorinen has a black belt in judo and has won a bronze-medal from Nordic championship of the youth and two gold-medals from Finnish championship of the youth.
I don't know if it's worth reading an open letter at this time, and even less so after recent events. Text of this letter initially seemed exaggerated to me, to put it mildly, and even more so now. Tuomas probably wanted to bury Tarja as a singer and an artist because of his resentment. But I believed and knew that time would put everything in its place. Thing is that letter was signed by all band members and it shows that they are right. But a few years ago Marko left Nightwish and not only left, but also returned his friendship with Tarja. After he apologized to Tarja, I personally have no doubts about "truthfulness" of open letter. Not only Tarja forgave him, but now they are recording new songs together and going on tour. And Tuomas himself has long ago recognized this open letter as a mistake.
The songs Master Passion Greed and Bye Bye Beautiful are also quite important songs about the whole situation, MPG is about Tarja's husband and BBB is about Tarja herself. Definitely give those two a listen too!
Personally I can't make comparisons between Tarja and Floor, each of the two has their own style and vocal ability. I prefer some songs sung by Tarja, others by Floor and for me it's absurd to say that one is better than the other. Among other things, Floor and Tarja are friends, they talk to each other every now and then. A few years ago, near Christmas, they broadcast their chat live on Instagram. ruclips.net/video/rdF1AdCOxBA/видео.htmlsi=Kd8icPrOPB7e1UFv
Para ser más específicos Tarja y Floor se conocen desde hace mucho tiempo la banda After Forever donde estaba como vocalista Floor solía hacer banda telonera de Nightwish le llegó a abrir varios conciertos cuando Annette estaba hospitalizada fue Floor quien la reemplazo año 2012 recién en el año 2013 Floor Jansen se oficializa como vocalista de Nightwish pero antes pidió autorización de Tarja su vieja amiga de viajes y conciertos 😏🤘🏻
Miss Lanae, NW Army Member, Outpost Eatonville reporting in. I think that it is safe to say that you have captured the hearts of the Nightwish Army with your reactions to our beloved band. As I mentioned before, those of us who follow new reactors to NW, we tend to relive our own first emotions through their reactions. You can not hide what your journey has taken you through, AND WE HAVE BEEN AND STILL ARE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU feeling it just as much as you are! When you did your previous two reactions from this End Of An Era concert, I, as a relative noob, learned soooo much from the comments regarding Tarja and her start with NW. I sometimes get bits and snags here and there regarding NW history in the comments found to other NW reactors but by far I am learning sooo much more about early NW through the comments on your channel. (My strongest gratitude to the senior members of our NW Army!). BTW, there is a second version of Sancta Terra featuring Miss Floor but it is slightly different and has lyrics (Closed Captions if I recall correctly) Please keep being you, and again, welcome to our family.😊
@NightwishArena I have come to agree with you regarding false info. I have seen examples now where members of the Nightwish Army have set the record straight. I further agree with you in that I now love both Tarja's and Floor's contributions to Nightwish, AND I am coming around to appreciate Annette's contributions, too.
If you think that you will get the whole story from the open letter you are so wrong my friend. You will hear tuomas truth then you will hear tarjas truth but in the end you will choose the one that you prefer. For the most poeple is just like that. The only truth is between them. Dont try to explain it.
Never ever commented on any Nightwish reactions before, hate all of the bickering, love what every singer has brought to the band in their own way but have to say the Wacken 2013 version of this song is a must see in relation to Floors introduction to a major European audience with the band. Totally sets the scene for what became an epic concert from start to finish! Personally don’t think there’s been a better performance before or since!
ALL hale the REAL TRUE QUEEN 👑 of NIGHTWISH and of ALL FEMALE SYMPHONIC METAL SINGERS!!!, the very beautiful looking and very unique voice of the enchanting TARJA!!!😃👍👍🤘
@@user-rf2ng7bi5zpero Tarja seguirá siendo Nightwish por toda la eternidad incluyendo Floor fuera de Nightwish Tarja tiene más peso por el simple hecho que es la Cofundadora de la banda estuvo desde el nacimiento de la banda y va a seguir existiendo mientras la banda continúe 🤘🏻
It's not Floor's fault that Tarja was sacked but she has taken Nightwish to another level singing songs written for Tarja and Anette with ease and yet so many early fans can't accept her superior versatility, breath control, empathy and diction.
@@josealvarado1938 That's your choice and obviously prefer singers who sing in an operatic style with some chest voice. I prefer the versatility and greater range of Floor Jansen who is friends with Simone and Tarja so probably dislikes this animosity.
Nobody wants to Tarja leave the band, but she starts to play a "diva" routine ( read NW open letter to Tarja) anyway we still love Tarja's voice but, whit Floor the band upgrade the versatility, no matter what the other people say, new NW was born whit Floor in vocals, you can love or hate it but it's the true ❤👑🤘
One of those songs that Floor and Tarja are equally good in my opinion 🥰 My Nightwish top 22: 1. Devil and the deep dark ocean (Marko and Floor singing) 2. Sleeping Sun (Tarja singing) 3. Dark chest of wonders (Tarja and Floor equally amazing singing) 4. Everdream (Marko and Floor singing) 5. Last Ride of the day (Marko and Floor singing) 6. Wishmaster (Tarja singing) 7. High hopes (Marko singing, Pink Floyd tribute 8. Nemo (Tarja singing) 9. The poet and the pendulum (Marko and Floor singing) 10. Wish i had an angel (Marko and Tarja singing) 11. Romanticide (Marko and Floor singing) 12. The greatest show on earth (Marko and Floor singing) 13. Dead boys poem (Floor singing) 14. Ghost love score (Floor singing) 15. While your lips are still red (Marko singing) 16. Shoemaker (Floor singing) 17. Yours is an empty hope (Marko and Floor singing) 18. Phantom of the opera (Marko and Tarja singing) 19.Ghost River (Marko and Floor singing) 20. The Siren (Tarja and Marko singing) 21. Storytime (Floor singing) 22. Master Passion Greed (Marko singing)
Since you're meeting Tarja at Nightwish and seem to have liked it a little. I recommend checking out some songs from the first DVD From Wishes to Eternity, before Marcos joined the band. The songs were a little simpler, but they are excellent.
Excelente reacción deberías continuar con este concierto completo son 18 temas que debes de reaccionar de este concierto si quieres entender en secuencias deberias haber comenzado con el concierto del año 2000 estas reaccionando el último concierto de Tarja con la banda pero en fin ya comenzaste de hecho esta fue la canción de apertura sigue con Planet Hell que fue la siguiente canción de este concierto Planet Hell Final de una era Helsinki Finlandia 2005 aqui verás el verdadero power metal gótico de Nightwish 🤘🏻 preparate para volverte loca 😏
Thank you! Amazing song! When you do the open letter remember that's just one side, the guys' side. But, yes, Tarja did also write her own response and that's her side. But in the end we, as fans can't know 100% what happened and what's true. So just keep that in mind and don't take those letters too seriously. Also, both of them were written at emotional times. There is also a press conference that Tarja did some time after her firing where she was answering to some questions. Poet and the Pendulum is said to be about how Tuomas felt when Tarja was fired and all of his depression. Also Nightwish song Bye Bye Beautiful is rumoured to be about Tarja. A song called Master Passion Greed is rumoured to be about Tarja's husband/manager. As a response (also rumoured) Tarja wrote Enough. Tarja also wrore a song called Diva and only recently she revealed that that song is about what she went through with Nightwish. Also, the song's name is a nod to the open letter. (I recommend hearing those songs from Tarja too. There is amazing live performance of Diva from a concert called Circus life, it's also more recent. It's from 2020) But very important thing to add, this is all past. All of them have moved on. Tarja is friends with Floor and recently became friends with Marko again. Now she is touring with Marko and they released a duet together, called Left On Mars.
There`s a video of Marko being interviewed four day ago, where he talks about finding the connection with Tarja first in 2017 and after that leading for working together and touring now. It has English subtitles.
You like bands history so here is two clips from their book - How they started to work with Pip Williams, a couple of years before this concert and Dark Chest of Wonders Backstory. ----- From the very start, Tuomas had a strong feeling that Once had to have an orchestra, come what ever may. After finishing the recording of backing tracks, the process continued in London with the legendary producer Pip Williams at the helm. Known for his work for the likes Status Quo and Uriah Heep, Williams was responsible for the orchestrations on the album. When the Nightwish guys heard what orchestra they would be working with, their jaws hit the floor. "As Ewo and I traveled to London at the end of November to meet Pip Williams, we had no clue about the orchestra he'd gotten for us", Tuomas says. "The only thing we knew was that Williams himself would do the arrangements and that through his connections, he would hook us up with an orchestra and a choir. The first time we visited Phoenix Sound Studio, Rick Wakeman (the keyboard player of the legendary progressive rock band Yes) opened the door for us. That's when we realized we're onto something big. As we were having coffee in the studio, Pip dropped the bomb: the orchestra in question had played on The Lord of the Rings, as well as on many other Hollywood soundtracks - all recorded in this studio!" It seems that Pip Williams wanted only the best for a band he held in great respect. "I have followed the band for some time, and it's been interesting to see how they have developed. Of course Rock bands like Deep Purple have previously used orchestras, but I really feel that Nightwish have combined the best of both worlds most successfully. They are a classic Metal band with strong classical and movie-score influences in their music." "It was important for me that it would not be just about over-dubbing a few orchestral parts on top of a Rock band", Williams continues. "Tuomas' compositions were brilliant also in the sense that choir and orchestra could be added naturally, so that they don't sound pretentious or contrived. This is of utmost importance. The songs must be structured so as to allow the orchestra enough space. In the end, the results were quite emotive. Also, let us not forget just how good all the musicians in Nightwish are. They are perfectly sympathetic to Tuomas' vision. And Tarja's (1st lead singer) wonderful voice has done the songs great justice." Williams knew his orchestra well. "I have worked with most of the players on different sessions for many years. Gavin Wright is a sensitive and authoritative orchestra leader, and together with Isobel Griffiths, the orchestral contractor, we were able to secure just the right musicians for each song. Anthony Pleeth, who has the lead cellist and played solo cello on 'Kuolema tekee taiteilijan', is one such example. These guys have done many, many big movie scores, as have the wonderful Metro Voices choir, and I thought this project required the kind of grandiose performance one would find on movie soundtracks by, say, Howard Shore." Tuomas could not have been more excited about the situation. "Using the orchestra was an earthshaking experience. I only had to lie on the studio couch for two days, listening to these amazingly talented people. During the first takes, someone said into the mike, 'Are these guys really serious?'. When we began 'Ghost Love Score', a positive kind of bewilderment took over the orchestra. That, as well as 'Dark Chest of Wonders', were the first ones we recorded." Williams was equally happy with his orchestra. "These musicians are such brilliant sight readers that it wasn't necessary to do more than a couple of rehearsals. Then we'd have a take or two of each song. It all went very smoothly. After the takes, I would check that Tuomas was happy, and then we would move on. If there was anything he wanted changed, it would be dealt with in a very short time. I must say, however, that we had prepared very well - I had been constantly on the phone with Tuomas when I was writing the arrangements. Yes, I ended up making a huge phone bill! But the groundwork paid off, as only a few small alterations were necessary." Tuomas and Pip Williams immediately hit it off on a personal level. "Tuomas is sensitive, caring, very observant - he's what the English call a musical sponge", Williams commends. "It means he is always willing to try new ideas and absorbs the musical influences around him like a sponge. Tuomas always wants to learn more about music, its origins and sound. He has very firm ideas of what he is trying to achieve, but he also leaves space for those working with him to express themselves. He is humble, appreciative and approachable, one of the most talented musicians or composers I have ever worked with. I really think he would make an original and effective movie score composer, and I definetely want to collaborate with Tuomas again in the future - in fact, we're already talking about the next venture. I would also love to collaborate with him on a movie score at some point." "Many times the players would come into the control room afterwards to listen to the takes, and according to Pip, that's something that doesn't happen very often," Tuomas says. "They're usually not that interested - they just do their job and leave, but now they actually listened to the songs. At the end of the last day, as I went down to thank the orchestra, they started applauding, standing up from their seats. It was one of those great moments in life." According to Williams, a Pop or Rock artist rarely receives a standing ovation. "The musicians respected the quality of the songs and the challenge of playing such intricate and well structured music. You must remember that these guys also do simple pop sessions, songs that are very easy to play. With Nightwish, they were able to play stuff that was often as demanding as many of the classical pieces they had trained on. This was so much more than just simple 3-chord songs in 4/4 time. And let's not forget that they also had great respect for people that were prepared to take such a huge musical and financial risk, all for the sake of art! Remember, these were very expensive sessions. I'm very satisfied with my own reward for the arrangements, too." "There is alwas a degree of compromise when mixing a Metal band with a large orchestra, as it's such a huge sound, but all in all, I'm really pleased with the end result", Pip reflects. "The main thing is that we have established a great identity with Nightwish and the orchestra, and our cooperation could be even better in the future. Seriously, Once is one of the most enjoyable projects in my career, and I've done this for 35 years!"
The rest of the Nighwish Famiglia had also learned to trust Tuomas' visions. "The band understands that the final versions sound nothing like the demos", Tuomas says. "I had to try and make them hear an orchestra and vocals here, a choir there, in order to convince them that it will sound good in the end. And no one ever said anything against it." "Tuomas can hear the kettledrums and choirs and orchestras in his head, but we can only hear the keyboards and the rhythm", Jukka laughs. "Although he tries to explain all those things, you really can't figure out what the song will sound like in the end. But you can't object, either. When we first went through the songs, I felt like there was no hit material on the album. Even 'Nemo' didn't catch me at first. Marco was initially completely dumbfounded by Tuomas' plans. "I often had to ask Tuomas what the hell is going on in the song", Marco laughs. "Like, 'Is this where the vocals will be? Is this the chorus?' I obviously needed some information about the backing tracks as well, to know where I could let it rip, and I often wondered would there even be room for anything else - like, 'How much stuff are you still going to layer on top of this?!" I was still feeling skeptical while we were doing the demo version of 'Dark Chest of Wonders', and I really didn't get the track until I heard the finished version. On the demo, Tarja's new singing style was still at a try-out phase, so you couldn't really hear the power in the song. But after proper production, the track changed quite radically and you could hear the point." Tero (engineering, producer since 1997) was another dissident not always convinced by Tuomas' ideas. "I was so wrong about 'Dark Chest of Wonders'", he admits. "I hated that song and I even suggested It'd be left out altogether, partly because the original lyrics had magic wands and stuff like that in them, but also because it sounded really messy. But once we got it on tape, I realized it sounded so good that it should be the opening track. I guess I was initially under the wrong impression that on this album, the band sort of...grows up."
next christmas time you try tarja turunen chrismas songs, they are 100 prosent tim burton stuff and it´s great. thanx to great reaction and have wonderful weekend.
I'm not going to go down the Tarja-v-Floor OrcHole. They are both the best they can be... and they both keep getting better and have done excellent at spreading the love for metal. So, anyway, if you want to hear what the band had done with the song by the time of Wacken, check out the 2013 version with Floor. The orchestration is fuller and much more up-front in the mix. AND you get that 'opening song of the concert'-vibe because, well, it IS the opening song. I won't try to tell a woman to not dig up dirt from the past (I grew up with 3 sisters... me, the only boy) So, you-do-you. I probably won't watch as I don't need to re-live that for the 30th time (sometimes I get through the P&P without thinking about it... sometimes.) Thank you for posting the link to the original songs. It is so important to directly support the bands, whether the music is 20 minutes-new or 20 years-old. Keep your chin up and your brain engaged.
The "main problem" was probably that Tarja did not see herself as a rock singer. She had already sung at an opera festival and represented Finland musically in South America. She wanted to do more than just rock music. But Nightwish's success did not allow this. This meant that the break was inevitable. Tuomas tried to exploit the success in the mainstream by hiring a pop singer next. In retrospect, Anette was the wrong one. Of the applicants, only one was successful without Nightwish and the band rejected her because of inexperience: NIGHTWISH - Lead Vocalist Candidates in 2006 AMARANTHE - Archangel (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) Floor, on the other hand, had been a metal fan since she was a teenager and there was never any question about what her priority is.
Funny that Anette's albums were more commercially successful for so long.. so much for "wrong"! They would have kept her longer if her health and off-stage activities fitted their style better. Tuomas did consider Floor but he did not want to break up her band at the time. Elize Ryd (Amaranthe, "The Denver Debalce") did a good version of Nemo when trying to join Nightwish too.
@@damienmaynard8892 Album singer/Chart DE/Chart UK/ Chart NO Tarja-5/ 1 / 102 / 1 Anette-1/ 1 / 25 / 7 Anette-2/ 1 / 69 / 17 Floor-1 / 1 / 12 / 3 Floor-2 / 1 / 28 / 4 Floor-3 / ? What exactly do you mean by successful Anette? What were Anette's activities off stage, apart from becoming pregnant unexpectedly? How bad was her health when she gave a concert again after being hospitalized for a fever? And what kind of style did she have off stage? Floor couldn't break up After Forever because it wasn't her band. She only joined two years after it was founded. She could have just left as she had come before. After applying to Nightwish, Elize sang this demo at Nightwish's request: Elize Ryd - Nemo Cover
No era para probar el quería a una cantante pop para no buscar una igual que Tarja lo dijo el mismo Tuomas en entrevistas para el Tarja es primordial la mejor vocalista de sus letras y se entiende Tarja es su Musa por eso el Poeta se suicida en el Poeta y el Péndulo 😏 con Floor sigue usando la misma táctica que con Annette de hecho la canción nueva Perfume suena para la voz de Annette por eso muchos que conocimos a Floor en After Forever siempre decimos que Tuomas desperdicia la potencia vocal de Floor la tiene gritando no la deja fluir y muchas veces la voz de Floor se siente sobreactuada con muchos gritos opaca a la voz de pecho de Floor ella no es rockera su voz es de pop rock por eso eso en el mercado del Rock Metal ella es conocida como la PinkPop Floor Jansen su voz gutural ni ya lo usa y cuando lo usaba sonaba sucio no suena limpia como la de Alissa por ejemplo , Tuomas definitivamente quedó con el concepto pop rock que creo con Annette y lo utiliza con Floor
@@esttelavidalinarolonmontie5431 Tuomas also wrote pop songs for Tarja. Tarja just refused to sing like that. That's why I had a problem with Tarja back then. Hans Zimmer and "Disney" were Tuomas' role models back then and he basically made the same songs as today. They are just more complicated and longer today. For Floor, growls were always only a small part of her options. Most of the songs in ReVamp are without growls. In Nightwish she also uses growls, but usually only occasionally. Growls were and are not a consistent stylistic device for Floor. Anette sang the songs less complexly than Tarja or Floor. She is technically much worse, which is why she is such a disaster live. In Perfume, Anette would fail because of the little things that Floor incorporates. Floor sings the chorus very emphatically and I don't think Anette can get it that precise.
Read the band's letter to Tarja given to her just after the End of an Era concert for their reasons for getting her go. Floor can sing anything Tuomas throws at her, any way he'd like it sung, without being a diva.
Floor has had her share of tough years : After Forever never reached the kind of popularity that Nightwish, WT or Epica, the band ceased to exist right after releasing on of their greatest abum, due ot Sander's health issues. Then Floor created her own band in 2008 but being the lead singer, the leader and the face of her band was toomuch for her shoulders and in 2011 she had to stop touring for about her year due to a burn-out. So when she joined Nightwish, she knew how things can turn-out in an instant, she had experienced it and that kept her from letting success overwhelm her and inflate her ego.
Don't exaggerate, Floor can't sing everything from Nightwish discography. Well, she will, but I doubt you'll want to listen to it again. There are early songs where her vocal technique won't be enough.
If a band member won't put in the work that the other members do then they don't deserve to be in the band. She never "debunked" that fact. If she's learned from that experience then that's great.
Tarja es mas operistica....a veces se excede del ritmo pero hace que sea tan natural que es su estilo.....❤ Floor es más rápida, se acopla muy bien al ritmo y hace que suene más fuerte, más potente..... OMG ......las 2 mejores cantantes del Metal Sinfónico ÚNICAS E INCOMPARABLES 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Hi Lanae, you realy should listen to the "Floor version" of this song (or any for that matter). It is so much more powerfull and beautifull. In this Tarja version I thought she barelly sung louder than the choir. And I like Floor's versitility more. I love Tarja in the "Paradise" duet with Within Temptation though :)
I love Nightwish - loved them then, love them now, and all 3 singers have their strengths (though Floor's versatility and range put her in a league of her own, whether with Nightwish, or After Forever, or solo). I've read through quite a few comments around the issues that led to Tarja's departure, but I'm surprised not to see more mention of the role played by Tarja's husband at the time - he was a weird Svengali-like figure, a real control freak, who tried to steer her artistic development, sat in on every interview she gave (and cut them off if he didn't like the way they went) - I have to wonder if she may have still been with them without his input damaging her relationship with Tuomas and the others. One of the big music magazines of the time (maybe Classic Rock, maybe Kerrang! Can't remember) ran a big article about NW and Tarja around the time of the 'End of an Era' gig, and painted the husband as an absolute villain.
I would also like to add that the Wacken 2013 concert was like capturing lightning in a bottle. It was the pinnacle of Nightwish, IMO. Unmatched before or since. A gem.
To cut a long story short; she refused to rehearse or travel with the rest of the band, wanted more money and told them she was leaving after the next album anyway. Things reached breaking point and the whole band wanted her gone, but Tuomas took most of the blame as it's his band. They could've gone about things in a better way, but Tuomas hates confrontation.
Now you're cutting it too short. Tarja HATED with living on a tour bus. It was fine for a couple of months, but to spend 18 months on a f*cking bus where everybody is partying, but you can't join in because you need to safe your voice...It just was not how Tarja wanted to spend her life. And if you're not happy, you're gong to say stuff like "I'm not getting paid enough for this shit". So Tarja suggested they would do fewer performances in larger stadiums and they should fly-in and fly-out. But for the rest of the band partying on the tour bus was exactly what they wanted, so they did not want to make changes at all. Then Tarja decided SHE would leave the band...but she was not in a hurry to go. She would do 2 more tours with the band and fly-in, fly-out whenever possible....anything to avoid being on that bus... During the first tour the band found out that travelling separately was not working out for them at all. Tarja wasn't there for promo-activities, rehearsals and meetings. And most important, when the band decided the tour could be extended for 6 months without even asking Tarja (she wasn't there at the band meeting...on the tour bus), Tarja got furious and she tried to have those additional shows cancelled. The band decided they were not going to do this for a second tour. Tarja needed to go!
@@vogel2280you’re leaving out the fact that Tarya’s husband was behind a lot of it as well. He wanted to put his nose into the band business where he had no place. The rest of the band wanted him to butt out of it as it wasn’t his place to try to call any of the shots.
@@jasong.5165 I think it`s only natural that Tarja needed/ wanted someone in her corner, being alone with four other band members against her and not caring about her needs. Tarja had already postponed her departure from the band for their benefit and here was the "thank you". Very disrespectful for her and very disrespectful for the Nightwish fans. It was a bad choice, very immature. They could have handeled it differently.
@@jasong.5165 True, but I'm a firm believer Tarja was an adult and very capable to make up her own mind. If Marcello did not represent Tarja's opinion then Tarja should have called him out...she did not.
@@tuijakarttunen9164 I believe letting go of Tarja after that first tour was unavoidable. Their interests had grown too far apart. However the manner in which it happened was immature. A businesslike "Thank you for your service, but we have grown apart" would have been so much better.
The last show of this concert was I wish I had an Angel. You should watch that. When the show ended, you see the stress on Toumas, all of the band really, but especially on Toumas. That, along with the open letters, then go to Poet.
If you want to look at Tuomas reactions during this concert, have a look at Ever Dream... The letters will give you the answers about why they let her go, you probably did them already (haven't seen that yet thou). Regarding doing Poet and the Pendulum, you should really let the letter sink in, and also understand what happed afterwards, all the critic that Tuomas got, it became rely messy... That song (came of the album "Dark Passion Play") came out 2 yeas after End of an Era...
With Anette Amaranth, Storytime, Scaretale. But no matter what you do, songs from the ALBUM. Not live. If you want to, please do the Anette live songs later. Because doing them later will help you to understand, what you hear. Those songs she has to sing where made for a different singer, a whole different instrument all together.
If you want to know more, I saw that Tarja's press conference was just translated to English (as a whole). Would also make a good reaction series! But to me, it seems that there was a lot of problems in the band and the biggest issue was them not talking to each other and bad management. People often say that Tarja is the problem and often refer to the Mape Ollila's book but it was written so, that Tarja was interviewed before her departure from the band but again, the guys knew she is going to leave. Feels a bit unfair that guys are only trashing Tarja and she didn't get the chance to tell her side of the story. Media has also favored this "Tarja was a diva" route as they want drama. I have never seen Tarja say anything bad of the other Nightwish's members. Even in the press conference, she is being so graceful and trying to remember all good things. I just don't buy that Tarja would have been the only trouble. And well, how they decided to handle things with a letter... HORRIBLE, seriously.
Tarja y Floor son muy amigas tanto que Floor para aceptar ser vocalista de la banda pidio autorización a Tarja y esta se la cedio y Tarja la invito en su concierto como solista para cantar juntar y llevar el mensaje de que Tarja acepta que Floor sea su sucesora palabras textuales de la misma Floor Jansen si quieres saber porque Tuomas tuvo un suicido musical te recomiendo buscar las respuestas desde el principio desde la creación de Nightwish de como se conocieron los 3 principales creadores de Nightwish Tuomas, Tarja y Emmpu busca información en las entrevistas , conciertos, letras de las canciones , los gestos,las miradas, el libro de Tuomas la carta publica las declaraciones de Tarja y obligadamente deberás explorar los primeros álbumes de Tarja como Solista ya que alli hay información en sus letras como Diva respuesta a la carta abierta de Nightwish, I Wak Alone respuesta a su desvinculación, Until my last Breath respuesta a By By Beautifol de Nightwish, Love to Hate respuesta a la ira y libro de Tuomas, Too Money respuesta de la campaña de desprestigio de Tuomas contra ella y su marido , 500 Letras en respuestas a todas las canciones de amor de DESEOS NOCTURNOS DE TUOMAS HACIA TARJA, de despecho de ira de dolor esa canción habla de un acosador como poeta mmmm quien es el poeta de Nightwish siiii Tuomas mucha tarea para llegar al Poeta y el Péndulo amiga esa canción es el suicidio de Tuomas en la cancion como poeta que habla del amor desde ese entonces NUNCA MAS VOLVIO A ESCRIBIR PARA EL AMOR Y MUCHO MENOS PARA LOS DESEOS NOCTURNOS, desde la era de Floor se adentro a la fisica al medio ambiente al universo y más a la Biología una rama de su preferencia personal Tuomas siempre quiso ser Biólogo mucha suerte al reactor hay mucho por descubrir para llegar al Poeta y el Péndulo para ello debes sacar el fanatismo a un lado y recaudar información imparcialmente no debes inclinarte por ningun lado escucha las dos campanas y no te quedes solo con la carta abierta ya públicamente Tuomas dijo que esa carta fue un error no todo lo que esta allí es del todo cierto que fue creado por el impulso de las emociones y la madurez de ese tiempo shhh tambien busca una entrevista de este año a Marco Hietala ex bajista de Nightwish el dijo algo relacionado sobre la disputa entre Tarja y Tuomas en la gestion de la banda y Marco dijo que no tenia problemas en volver a la banda pero para que ocurra eso debe de haber cambios eso dijo Marco es obvio que en Nightwish en su centro no funciona bien ya Sammy el primer bajista de la banda ya lo habia mencionado tambien quienes dirigen a Nightwish en cuanto las gestiones hay problemas con ellos todos los ex integrantes de ka banda counciden con ello 😏
Her manager' and husband was asking so much. And she was never available. Check out (Master passion greed). This is the hardest and angriest the song is about her Manager husband. You won't hear a Nightwish song again like this
Hi Lanae....ya going the most fast lane to The Poet And The Pendulum !!!!!! Respect !!!! Ya.....do it your way !!!!!! Continue like ya feel ........ The letter will say a lot to you........
I love this song by either singer!!! (I haven't heard Anette do this.) I am of the understanding that Tarja was looking to leave in about 12 months or so to go solo. And as she was already looking ahead to that, the boys felt it was impacting on the band in the "now". There is also talk that it was more because of her manager who became her husband ~ they may already be married at this time, I don't know. I'm not sure as I'm a relatively new follower of Nightwish. Someone else in the Army will have better details, I'm sure. I am always learning more about them ..... and I love it!!! 😄
Despues de este concierto y la expulsion de Tarja la banda lanzo un comunicado firmado por todos explicando las razones. Fue tanto el alboroto que hasta el Primer Ministro de Finlandia opino al respecto. El End of the Era es una maravilla. en realidad todos los conciertos grabados lo son, pero este tiene ese componente emocional que resulta conmovedor.
This one and GLS are nice songs to contrast Floor and Tarja (I did not say compare because that might suggest there is a ranking). Some of the things Floor does (and gets applauded for) were also done by Tarja. More than I sometimes realize. I am more of a Floor fan because I like the way she became part of the band, whereas Tarja and Anette were more the singers in the band. As partly a spoiler to the letters: at the rehearsals for EFMB Floor turned up and contributed to the early phases of shaping the music. For the previous albums apparently the music was finished by the musicians and then the vocals were added. Another reactor, Doug Helvering, when introducing Nightwish says 'with Floor on vocals'. I think that is spot on. Floor plays the vocal chords. As such she is one of the musicians and not the singer. That may be subtle, but I think it played a role in the breakup.
I think you've misunderstood Tarja's Role in the band. She was co-founder of NW, never just a singer. And her Voice and singing style made NW symphonic metal band. Thomas composed music based strongly on her operatic style of singing. Without Tarja NW would have gone a very different direction originally. Respect for the original NW Queen and Goddess🔥
You will see the lyrics for this song when you watch the opener of Wacken 2013 with Floor on vocals. This was a very difficult show for all of the guys. You will see Tuomas trying to play it cool. but failing at some points. When you do the Open Letter you will understand the difficult position Tarja put the band in. It was not a great way to make the break. No one wanted to do it but it was inevitable. Do Amaranth as the music video.
Tuomas is such a gentleman, when he heard Floor for the first time, he knew that is what I need, but Floor had her own band, and he didn't want to break up a succesfull band. But he never forgot her, and when the shit hit the fan in 2012, and Floor was available after a heavy burnout, she came to the rescue, and the rest is history. Check out ; ( Please learn the setlist in 48 hours" ) and understand why Tuomas can now write without limits for the vocal parts. When Floor first saw the lyrics and heard the melody of "Shoemaker" her first reaction was "how the fuck I'm gonna sing this???"and Tuomas sad with a smile "you will find a way" .
Se nota que no conoces nada del porque Tuomas llegó al Poeta y el Péndulo antes tuvo una historia , un comienzo que es notorio que los fandom actuales no conocen y apuesto que ni siquiera saben porque la banda lleva ese nombre 😂😂😂😂 Nightwish no nació en un Wacken 2013 en ese entonces la banda ya tenía 2 eras antes con historias distintas superen la era de Tarja ya pasaron casi 20 años de la desvinculación de Tarja dejen a los reactores conocer la historia de Nightwish es una gran banda y se merece respeto Floor nunca borrará el pasado de Nightwish y menos a Tarja cuando Tarja tiene más peso en la banda por ley y por lógica siendo que ella no solo era la vocalista principal sino la Cofundadora de la banda ese pasado jamás la borrarán es parte de la banda su historia su cultura y su esencia Tarja siempre será parte de Nightwish por toda la eternidad superenla y maduren si Tuomas lo hizo ustedes como fans también lo pueden , Tuomas y Tarja ya hicieron las pases hace años atrás dejen la labia para niños y sean sensatos 😏🤘🏻
Agree to disagree. I overall prefer Floor but there's a few songs that, IMO, fits Tarja better and, to me, that's one of them. But that's just my 2c opinion...
Hi Lanae, Since many of the NW army will have already suggested you numerous songs from their latest era with Floor (who is awesome by the way), I will take the courage to suggest some of their early era with Tarja: So from the End of an Era tour; Phantom of the Opera (the best version according to Andrew Lloyd Webber - ruclips.net/video/tL25rbnvM4o/видео.html ) Planet Hell (another great harmony between Marco's & Tarja's voices - ruclips.net/video/yswh14JISQs/видео.html ) Ever Dream (eventhough Floor really nails it, especially at the end, for me Tarja's version is more...sentimental because of all the aftermath - ruclips.net/video/1p29LcuuvgQ/видео.html ) The Kinslayer (referring to the Columbine High School massacre - ruclips.net/video/f3aM0XjYdBA/видео.html ) The Siren ( ruclips.net/video/LUy8T_3kieI/видео.html ) Slaying the Dreamer (my favourite version PERKELEEE! - ruclips.net/video/tFSqaLKXzwY/видео.html ) Creek Mary’s Blood ft. John Two-Hawks (taken from Dee Brown’s book ruclips.net/video/ovZxa7KYRu0/видео.html ) From Wishes to Eternity tour; (here you'll hear a more classical Tarja, no Marco though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - full concert here - ruclips.net/video/U-n8q8IBbbM/видео.html ) Pharaoh Sails to Orion (ft. Tapio Wilska for some low and dark voice - ruclips.net/video/JsAi3_tT0yk/видео.html ) Crimson Tide / Deep Blue Sea (instrumental, Tuomas' love for film music, a medley, "Crimson Tide, Deep Blue Sea", which borrowed melodies from Hans Zimmer's music in the 1995 film Crimson Tide and Trevor Rabin's music in the 1999 film Deep Blue Sea - ruclips.net/video/h93Y5Pq2kKo/видео.html ) Fantasmic ( watch Tuomas like never before - ruclips.net/video/tTWVogCOCCI/видео.html ) Beauty and the Beast (ft. Tonny Kakko from Sonata Arctica - ruclips.net/video/IHFYf_lpKT8/видео.html ) Walking in the Air (a great ballad - ruclips.net/video/rwBg8AX6prc/видео.html ) Last but not least, from Century Child album, Beauty OF the Beast (as said by many, it's Ghost Love Score before Ghost Love Score existed - ruclips.net/video/X3WrCzLIIvk/видео.html ) From her solo career; I Walk Alone ( ruclips.net/video/wbeQVzXvtok/видео.html ) Oasis ( ruclips.net/video/coL6_C9JdFY/видео.html ) Until My Last Breat ( ruclips.net/video/G-i4wUTtkZc/видео.html ) I Feel Immortal ( ruclips.net/video/ko4Cp0Yjggc/видео.html ) Innocence ( a great video about domestic violence - ruclips.net/video/6yYccQ0S1yI/видео.html ) as well as a great live version of it ( ruclips.net/video/Lq-genEQNLA/видео.html ) Eagle Eye ( ruclips.net/video/j6GxSphwb2Y/видео.html ) Supremacy (a Muse cover - ruclips.net/video/e5zEb5xFlIE/видео.html ) No Bitter End (official video - ruclips.net/video/dqZs-DFtx9g/видео.html ) ( live version - ruclips.net/video/Gclnq4dcUok/видео.html ) Shadow Play ( ruclips.net/video/dZwkRRunp1A/видео.html ) O Come, O Come, Emmanuel ( a dark Christmas reaction maybe? - ruclips.net/video/lwloz95Ubyk/видео.html ) And finally, a collaboration with Within Temptation (another great band you must hear) Paradise (What About Us?) (live version - ruclips.net/video/8vsKQTfxf80/видео.html) (VR live [due to COVID] ruclips.net/video/eseI4O2-uZA/видео.html ) And finally finally, the latest collaboration with Marko Left on Mars (ruclips.net/video/1TgQOj3rwzE/видео.html)
Opening number of their Wacken 2013 show - this song, with Floor.... like wine, got better with time! Anette was hit or miss live - 2012 Montreaux Jazz Festival "Slow, Love, Slow" was a great performance.( so was Emppu's ;) !)
I agree with what I just read. I have never liked the bickering either and I stopped commenting for a while, but I think it’s finally time that I just get this out into the open even though it doesn’t matter lol but Tarja does absolutely nothing for me. Does she have a nice voice yes but the problem is I discovered floor. It’s very hard to go from floor to Tarja…..easier to go from Tarja to Floor……. I really respect the fans and the Nightwish army that have been there since the beginning but after listening to a ton of stuff, and I am now a part of the Nightwish army I can say that Tarja is NOT metal……. I don’t think she fits a lot of the music that night which plays I’m glad to see that she’s thriving on her own and now she’s doing some stuff with Marco, which is great, but I will always say she does nothing for me. Her voice stays in the same register most of the time, a lot of people love that I do not get very bored with her singing, but that’s just me but I’m not gonna throw her under the bus. I’m very happy that she is successful right now.
Good for you. I feel the songs written for Tarja sound much better with Tarja. Floor, to me, sounds like the Kellyoke version of NW. Actuality, Kelly could probably sing a lot of these songs much better.
Maybe that's because most consider it to be better? Regardless, the whole band agreed Tarja should go nearly 20 years ago so it's long past time for the "Tarja is Nightwish" crowd to move on...
@@user-rf2ng7bi5z If that version is better for you, good for you, go listen to it, but what is the idea of being in each video wanting to make a kind of competition between both artists? A competition that does not exist. Unfortunately, they cannot erase the past with their elbow and write something new, Tarja was the main voice of the band for eight years and with her they recorded five albums, so, let people enjoy each era of the band in peace, each one He will draw his conclusions or everyone has their preferences, but Floor fans get tired. The band's last two albums are the worst evaluated and apparently the third is almost identical to the other two.
I have to add a second comment: Family members quarrel but love each other nonetheless. Each and every member that has performed for Nightwish has brought their unique talents and abilities. We love them for this. Regarding NW singers, it is arguable that Miss Floor stands on the shoulders of giants. Adding Miss Annette and Miss Floor, Miss Tarja's shoulders must be sore indeed! Looking through your other reactions, I think that you might like hearing Floor's husband's band Sabaton. Please do "No Bullets Fly", (the animated version). It is based on a true story, watch it till the end and be sure to have your tissues close at hand. If you like that song, do Christmas Truce next. (The NW Army will correct me if I am wrong but I hear that Miss Floor has a vocal cameo in that one.)😊
I am not sure about the viability of posting the entire concert in one piece; but I have certainly seen several reactors go through the concert in one sitting (perhaps live on another platform) and then break it up into single song videos for posting to RUclips.
Hi Lenea. This song is the opening song at the Wacken 2013 concert. I highly recommend you watch the version with Floor. Then you can hear the difference. As I have written before. Tarja is great but she can only do opera. Annette was more the pop queen of Nightwish. She struggled with many vocal styles. With Floor, perfectionism came into the band. She can do opera, she has an unbelievable range, her belting is awesome and if you listen to her growl (Re Vamp with Disdain in Graspop 2010) then I'll tell you what I'm talking about. I have to be honest, I personally don't like Tarja anymore. Too much has gone before and the fame has unfortunately gone to her head. Luckily for Nightwish, because Floor flew out of the sky in a roundabout way (watch the Floor Jansen story on You Tube, there you can find out everything about her life. It's in German, but with English subtitles). As I said, you have to listen to all 3 songs you've heard from Tarja with Floor. There is much more power and above all much more soul. LG from Germany
Nightwish had no other option than fire Tarja. She had public announced that she was leaving the band, because it could not fullfill her ambitions - and that's fair enough. During 2004/2005 she skipped rehearsals to rehearse on her solo career. She wouldn't go touring in the US because there were no money in it - and she wanted a bigger part of the income on the next revord. In short, Tarja had other priorities - therefore the band had no other option than fire her - or disband. They had outgrown each other - and this is completely ok. But the breaking up was uggly and handled poorly and childish by all the involved parts. Completely stupid to do everything in public - from Tarja's announcement of leaving and til the open letters. That's simply un-professionel. Nightwish had learned the lesson later on when Anette was fired.
she didn't announce it to the public, she only told the band about her intentions, letting them know in advance. Also while reading the biography, it seems that a lot of management issues went over her head - she knew only what her husband told her and he had his own truth and the rest of the band only heard what their management told them, and that was the main reason for the conflict. But Tarja wanted to leave at some point anyway, I believe her when she says that they created beautiful music together but she always wanted to be able to have more time for her classical projects, classical music is her first love and Nightwish was a full time job.
Its one side against another. Its not definitive and we will probably really never know. I liisten to both and love them both, but I will not take one side of the story other the other. Only they know.
@@rkempo even if it is one sided, in the letter by the boys in the band they explain why they did it. Even if some of it is actually not true, they thought that at that point in time and they acted on what they thought. I agree on not taken a position. I wasn't there.
If you do the letter, do the deeper dive. The letter is Tuomas's side. He gave her the letter, told her not to open it till the next day and that night released it publicly trashing her
It is what it is. They had a few singers. Everybody takes their pick. For me, Floor is untouchable. In a way, it's not fair for those others to have to be compared to Floor. IMO, Tarja leans too far into the classical/operatic for my taste. Anette leans too far into the pop. Floor is just right, and her stage presence and performance quality is so great. No disrespect to the others, but it's Floor for me.
Why they fired Tarja? Because Tarja had already given her resignation, so it was just a matter of time. She was no longer committed to the band. Tarja had good reason to quit. The band wanted to spend the rest of their lives on a tour bus, but Tarja HATED the tour bus. Especially because the roadies were taking care of the bands instruments, but Tarja had to take care of her voice herself. Drinking, smoking, loud people on a bus, having fun, but you can never join in, because you need to take of your voice... I can understand how that is no fun! With her notice they agreed to do 2 more tours together. Tarja would fly-in and fly-out whenever possible and preferably not spend one minute on the bus. This also meant Tarja missed promotional activities, rehearsals and important band meetings....like the one in which the band agreed to extend the tour by six months. Tarja was furious that the band made such a decision without even asking her. She tried to have the sold out concerts cancelled....and that was the final straw.
I have to say this song is better with Floor at Wacken. Wishmaster would have been a great pick from this concert But during some of the songs in this concert, you can see the despair and sadness in Tuomas’s eyes, face and gestures. He knows, and all the other members too. And Tarja looks so happy, even though she’s sick and in fever. Some songs are even painful to watch. But still, it’s a great show altogether.
They kicked Sami out for being too selfish to work in a group, and then Anette because she got pregnant which is also too selfish to work in a group, and Marko also left because he was too selfish to work in a group.
@@karadenizin-kizi Sami left because NW music was not what he wanted to play. Anette, I don't know. Document she talk all the time about herself and how hard it is on tour. Marko left because "middle- hands" took most of money of his commerical "Marko" staff. If somebody use you, it is not selfish to stop do things for free.
@@jroutasula5250Sami was fired by Tuomas through their management because Sami was his friend and he couldn't say it to his face that he wasn't satisfied with his commitment anymore. This is not speculation, Tuomas talked about it in length. And as for Tarja... anyone who has worked with her has said she's lovely. Just because the Nightwish management and touring pace didn't work for her anymore doesn't make her selfish. People quit their jobs all the time.
@@jroutasula5250 Do you think solo means she is all by herself on tour and on stage? No other people involved? No collaborations with other musicians, like Within Temptation/Sharon, who asked her to join their tour this year, with Alissa White-Gluz, with Christina Scabbia, Floor, Marko, Simone from Epica inviting Tarja to a concert and Tarja inviting them to her home instead because she's had a newborn at that time. Tarja sending Tuomas her condolences privately after his father passed which we wouldn't know if he hadn't mentioned it because he was touched by the gesture. If all those people choose to work and interact with Tarja *after* the split, believing she is too selfish to work in a team and not a nice person is laughable.
Whatever guard you have up, when Floor's voice comes in she cut's thru it like a fresh sharpened butcher knife and get's you right into your soul and while your bleeding out you feel satisfied. That never happens with the Diva.
This is great.... but I must say Floor's version at 2013 Wacken is even Greater. To me, Tarja always had that "guest star Diva" persona, totally different from Floor. Floor is a fearless Battle Queen, and takes command of Nightwish with ferocity (or tenderness) as required. Tuomas is the heart and soul of NW, but Floor is the PERFECT expression for his vision.
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Why they fired her? Because when a love is unrequited it becomes a ghost love score......
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for several years ;)
Exacto este fue la canción de Apertura le sigue Planet Hell luego Ever Dreams lo más dramático la carta de amor y de despecho para Tarja luego le sigue The Kinslayer luego le sigue la épica y preferida de todos el cover de El Fantasma de la Opera luego le sigue The Siren la que lleva la marca de Tarja su imnotizante voz luego de esa está Sleeping Sun le sigue Blees the Chilld, Wismaster, Slaying the Dreams hay más pero hasta ahi mientras puede seguir reaccionando son 18 canciones de este concierto lo recomiendo todas 😏🤘🏻
Tarja told the band she wanted to leave Nightwish, the band has had its ups and downs and Tarja wanted more freedom and independence, the tours were hard on her, she was ill a lot and the guys seemed to have been quite restless on that bus.
Emppu and later Marko said it was the feud between the managements, Nightwish and Tarja's (also her husband), that caused the main rift. Both managements were flawed, to say it nicely, for different reasons.
Marko and Tarja reconciled and he said he understood better her point of view after talking to her. Tuomas in 2008 said that he tried contacting her and that he wished to reestablish a friendship, but that never really led anywhere.
Exacto tu si conoces la historia es así la parte dirigencial de la banda fue la clave para que Sammy , Tarja y Marco se desvincularan de la banda no toda desición lo toma Tuomas hay directivos ejecutivos por detrás 😔
There is also a press *Tarja Turunen press conf (with SUBTITLES) / post NW break up* Tuomas and Tarja know each other since the age of 12 years old, same school, and town, there is video of them in music class they are so young. Tuomas had feelings for Tarja, the love songs that were written in her era you won't see it written again later on, documentaries, interviews, hints, body language that can't be faked, many may disagree but many, including me can see it. You need to see *Ever Dream* from this concert. I think because she did wanted to pursue her solo career, which many singers do, also things changed when she got married and her husband being involved caused tension, there is so much behind that. Everyone keeps forgetting that Tarja joined the band at a young age and the band went big fast, she was a young girl surrounded by a bunch of wild guys, drinking and smoking, she said it was very hard to maintain her voice and health, it was different times. To be fair there is always two sides of the story and no one was actually there to see what really happened on both ends.
Tarja best of the best!
Isn't hindsight such a powerful tool. The things you can pick upon, knowing what you know now, but had no idea at the time?
Thank you for reacting to another great song from this concert! An epic concert you should react is From Wishes to Eternity DVD and especially the song Deep silent complete.Tarja sings like a siren❤
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Since you will be diving into Poet and the Pendulum, you also should react to her response with the song Diva. Just as when you react to Master Passion greed, her response was Enough. Always remember there are 2 or more sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth
also Ante room of death by Tarja
There is no full story, nobody knows the FULL story. It is very simple to understand: the band fired the main lead singer, and when a singer of a beloved band leaves, the fans have to suffer (you must have been a fan of them from the begining to understand this, it is impossible now). The fans hated the band for this decision that could be the end of Nightwish. Tuomos had depression because of this and wrote those songs to cope. The songs are wonderful and there is no story you need to know besides that the songs are created from this dark place. No need to dig deeper, the drama is long gone, and you would not understand it anyway if you were not a fan at those times.
I would suggest to NOT read this long gone drama that really has no place right now, both the band and Tarja admited their faults and Tuomas himself said that the letter was a MISTAKE.
Y lo admitió en público en una entrevista así que solo quedarse con la carta de Nightwish ya es estupido siendo que el creador de esa carta admite error Tarja también por su parte dijo que fue un error apresurar todo pero que la banda ya sabía que ella se iba Tarja nunca fue expulsada ella antes ya había renunciado a la banda y por inmadurez Tuomas creo la carta 😔 era obvio el dolor y rabia que sentía se estaba separando de su Cofundadora su Musa su gran amor y administración era lógico que entrara en una etapa depresiva y se quiera suicidar lo quiso hacer en la vida real pero por cosas del destino prefirió suicidarse con sus letras como un Poeta
Me encanta que escuches a Tarja!!! Slaying the dreamer y ever dream con ella escucha por favor 🙏 jaja me encantan con Tarja Pero aparte ella es muy cálida con su publico❤ saludos cynthia de Argentina
Tarja wanted to start her solo career,....thats the reason!
If you want to see Anette performing, I suggest that you leve "Scaretale" to Halloween...
Excelente o también puede reaccionar a By By Beautifol doloroso pero buena energía para la voz de Annette
Thanks for sharing one of your cats & reaction to a song about a person's (Actually Tuomas himself) journey to reclaim his/her lost dream - a dream of a world of pure innocence and possibilities that has been stolen from them by adulthood.
P.S. On a related issue, the guitarist Emppu (Actual name Erno) Vuorinen has a black belt in judo and has won a bronze-medal from Nordic championship of the youth and two gold-medals from Finnish championship of the youth.
Tarja Turunen la diosa del metal!! Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
I don't know if it's worth reading an open letter at this time, and even less so after recent events. Text of this letter initially seemed exaggerated to me, to put it mildly, and even more so now. Tuomas probably wanted to bury Tarja as a singer and an artist because of his resentment. But I believed and knew that time would put everything in its place. Thing is that letter was signed by all band members and it shows that they are right. But a few years ago Marko left Nightwish and not only left, but also returned his friendship with Tarja. After he apologized to Tarja, I personally have no doubts about "truthfulness" of open letter. Not only Tarja forgave him, but now they are recording new songs together and going on tour. And Tuomas himself has long ago recognized this open letter as a mistake.
The songs Master Passion Greed and Bye Bye Beautiful are also quite important songs about the whole situation, MPG is about Tarja's husband and BBB is about Tarja herself. Definitely give those two a listen too!
Oh yes! Nobody ever reacts to Bye bye beautiful . There's a decent live version kicking around youtube somewhere. Give Anette some love! 😊
Personally I can't make comparisons between Tarja and Floor, each of the two has their own style and vocal ability. I prefer some songs sung by Tarja, others by Floor and for me it's absurd to say that one is better than the other. Among other things, Floor and Tarja are friends, they talk to each other every now and then. A few years ago, near Christmas, they broadcast their chat live on Instagram. ruclips.net/video/rdF1AdCOxBA/видео.htmlsi=Kd8icPrOPB7e1UFv
Para ser más específicos Tarja y Floor se conocen desde hace mucho tiempo la banda After Forever donde estaba como vocalista Floor solía hacer banda telonera de Nightwish le llegó a abrir varios conciertos cuando Annette estaba hospitalizada fue Floor quien la reemplazo año 2012 recién en el año 2013 Floor Jansen se oficializa como vocalista de Nightwish pero antes pidió autorización de Tarja su vieja amiga de viajes y conciertos 😏🤘🏻
Miss Lanae, NW Army Member, Outpost Eatonville reporting in. I think that it is safe to say that you have captured the hearts of the Nightwish Army with your reactions to our beloved band. As I mentioned before, those of us who follow new reactors to NW, we tend to relive our own first emotions through their reactions. You can not hide what your journey has taken you through, AND WE HAVE BEEN AND STILL ARE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU feeling it just as much as you are! When you did your previous two reactions from this End Of An Era concert, I, as a relative noob, learned soooo much from the comments regarding Tarja and her start with NW. I sometimes get bits and snags here and there regarding NW history in the comments found to other NW reactors but by far I am learning sooo much more about early NW through the comments on your channel. (My strongest gratitude to the senior members of our NW Army!). BTW, there is a second version of Sancta Terra featuring Miss Floor but it is slightly different and has lyrics (Closed Captions if I recall correctly) Please keep being you, and again, welcome to our family.😊
perfectly said!!
@NightwishArena I have come to agree with you regarding false info. I have seen examples now where members of the Nightwish Army have set the record straight. I further agree with you in that I now love both Tarja's and Floor's contributions to Nightwish, AND I am coming around to appreciate Annette's contributions, too.
If you think that you will get the whole story from the open letter you are so wrong my friend. You will hear tuomas truth then you will hear tarjas truth but in the end you will choose the one that you prefer. For the most poeple is just like that. The only truth is between them. Dont try to explain it.
Now this is how you kick-off a show !
By opening a dark chest filled with wonders :)
Never ever commented on any Nightwish reactions before, hate all of the bickering, love what every singer has brought to the band in their own way but have to say the Wacken 2013 version of this song is a must see in relation to Floors introduction to a major European audience with the band. Totally sets the scene for what became an epic concert from start to finish! Personally don’t think there’s been a better performance before or since!
I agree!
Nada que ver 😂😂😂
Go and listen to poppy princess Floor
ALL hale the REAL TRUE QUEEN 👑 of NIGHTWISH and of ALL FEMALE SYMPHONIC METAL SINGERS!!!, the very beautiful looking and very unique voice of the enchanting TARJA!!!😃👍👍🤘
She's been gone for nearly 20 years, the entire band wanted her gone, Floor has been the singer for longer than Tarja was.
Time to move on...
@@user-rf2ng7bi5zpero Tarja seguirá siendo Nightwish por toda la eternidad incluyendo Floor fuera de Nightwish Tarja tiene más peso por el simple hecho que es la Cofundadora de la banda estuvo desde el nacimiento de la banda y va a seguir existiendo mientras la banda continúe 🤘🏻
It's not Floor's fault that Tarja was sacked but she has taken Nightwish to another level singing songs written for Tarja and Anette with ease and yet so many early fans can't accept her superior versatility, breath control, empathy and diction.
Tarja's era, The Golden era of Nightwish
@@josealvarado1938only for early fans. If you hear Floor first no-one else is good enough.
@@clivematthews5296 Tarja Turunen and Simone Simons, no one else are better than them, i like Floor a lot but, she is not better
@@josealvarado1938 That's your choice and obviously prefer singers who sing in an operatic style with some chest voice. I prefer the versatility and greater range of Floor Jansen who is friends with Simone and Tarja so probably dislikes this animosity.
Thanks from Colombia
TARJA FOR EVER
Nobody wants to Tarja leave the band, but she starts to play a "diva" routine ( read NW open letter to Tarja) anyway we still love Tarja's voice but, whit Floor the band upgrade the versatility, no matter what the other people say, new NW was born whit Floor in vocals, you can love or hate it but it's the true ❤👑🤘
One of those songs that Floor and Tarja are equally good in my opinion 🥰
My Nightwish top 22:
1. Devil and the deep dark ocean (Marko and Floor singing)
2. Sleeping Sun (Tarja singing)
3. Dark chest of wonders (Tarja and Floor equally amazing singing)
4. Everdream (Marko and Floor singing)
5. Last Ride of the day (Marko and Floor singing)
6. Wishmaster (Tarja singing)
7. High hopes (Marko singing, Pink Floyd tribute
8. Nemo (Tarja singing)
9. The poet and the pendulum (Marko and Floor singing)
10. Wish i had an angel (Marko and Tarja singing)
11. Romanticide (Marko and Floor singing)
12. The greatest show on earth (Marko and Floor singing)
13. Dead boys poem (Floor singing)
14. Ghost love score (Floor singing)
15. While your lips are still red (Marko singing)
16. Shoemaker (Floor singing)
17. Yours is an empty hope (Marko and Floor singing)
18. Phantom of the opera (Marko and Tarja singing)
19.Ghost River (Marko and Floor
singing)
20. The Siren (Tarja and Marko singing)
21. Storytime (Floor singing)
22. Master Passion Greed (Marko singing)
Since you're meeting Tarja at Nightwish and seem to have liked it a little. I recommend checking out some songs from the first DVD From Wishes to Eternity, before Marcos joined the band. The songs were a little simpler, but they are excellent.
Agree!
You must see the 2013 wacken version. It opens the show as well. It's great!
Tarja End of An Era consert Kuolema Teeke Taijteilijan live. Planet Hell live Tarja & Marko.
Excelente reacción deberías continuar con este concierto completo son 18 temas que debes de reaccionar de este concierto si quieres entender en secuencias deberias haber comenzado con el concierto del año 2000 estas reaccionando el último concierto de Tarja con la banda pero en fin ya comenzaste de hecho esta fue la canción de apertura sigue con Planet Hell que fue la siguiente canción de este concierto Planet Hell Final de una era Helsinki Finlandia 2005 aqui verás el verdadero power metal gótico de Nightwish 🤘🏻 preparate para volverte loca 😏
Thank you! Amazing song!
When you do the open letter remember that's just one side, the guys' side. But, yes, Tarja did also write her own response and that's her side. But in the end we, as fans can't know 100% what happened and what's true. So just keep that in mind and don't take those letters too seriously. Also, both of them were written at emotional times. There is also a press conference that Tarja did some time after her firing where she was answering to some questions.
Poet and the Pendulum is said to be about how Tuomas felt when Tarja was fired and all of his depression. Also Nightwish song Bye Bye Beautiful is rumoured to be about Tarja. A song called Master Passion Greed is rumoured to be about Tarja's husband/manager.
As a response (also rumoured) Tarja wrote Enough. Tarja also wrore a song called Diva and only recently she revealed that that song is about what she went through with Nightwish. Also, the song's name is a nod to the open letter.
(I recommend hearing those songs from Tarja too. There is amazing live performance of Diva from a concert called Circus life, it's also more recent. It's from 2020)
But very important thing to add, this is all past. All of them have moved on. Tarja is friends with Floor and recently became friends with Marko again. Now she is touring with Marko and they released a duet together, called Left On Mars.
There`s a video of Marko being interviewed four day ago, where he talks about finding the connection with Tarja first in 2017 and after that leading for working together and touring now. It has English subtitles.
You like bands history so here is two clips from their book - How they started to work with Pip Williams, a couple of years before this concert and Dark Chest of Wonders Backstory.
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From the very start, Tuomas had a strong feeling that Once had to have an orchestra, come what ever may. After finishing the recording of backing tracks, the process continued in London with the legendary producer Pip Williams at the helm. Known for his work for the likes Status Quo and Uriah Heep, Williams was responsible for the orchestrations on the album.
When the Nightwish guys heard what orchestra they would be working with, their jaws hit the floor. "As Ewo and I traveled to London at the end of November to meet Pip Williams, we had no clue about the orchestra he'd gotten for us", Tuomas says. "The only thing we knew was that Williams himself would do the arrangements and that through his connections, he would hook us up with an orchestra and a choir. The first time we visited Phoenix Sound Studio, Rick Wakeman (the keyboard player of the legendary progressive rock band Yes) opened the door for us. That's when we realized we're onto something big. As we were having coffee in the studio, Pip dropped the bomb: the orchestra in question had played on The Lord of the Rings, as well as on many other Hollywood soundtracks - all recorded in this studio!"
It seems that Pip Williams wanted only the best for a band he held in great respect. "I have followed the band for some time, and it's been interesting to see how they have developed. Of course Rock bands like Deep Purple have previously used orchestras, but I really feel that Nightwish have combined the best of both worlds most successfully. They are a classic Metal band with strong classical and movie-score influences in their music."
"It was important for me that it would not be just about over-dubbing a few orchestral parts on top of a Rock band", Williams continues. "Tuomas' compositions were brilliant also in the sense that choir and orchestra could be added naturally, so that they don't sound pretentious or contrived. This is of utmost importance. The songs must be structured so as to allow the orchestra enough space. In the end, the results were quite emotive. Also, let us not forget just how good all the musicians in Nightwish are. They are perfectly sympathetic to Tuomas' vision. And Tarja's (1st lead singer) wonderful voice has done the songs great justice."
Williams knew his orchestra well. "I have worked with most of the players on different sessions for many years. Gavin Wright is a sensitive and authoritative orchestra leader, and together with Isobel Griffiths, the orchestral contractor, we were able to secure just the right musicians for each song. Anthony Pleeth, who has the lead cellist and played solo cello on 'Kuolema tekee taiteilijan', is one such example. These guys have done many, many big movie scores, as have the wonderful Metro Voices choir, and I thought this project required the kind of grandiose performance one would find on movie soundtracks by, say, Howard Shore."
Tuomas could not have been more excited about the situation. "Using the orchestra was an earthshaking experience. I only had to lie on the studio couch for two days, listening to these amazingly talented people. During the first takes, someone said into the mike, 'Are these guys really serious?'. When we began 'Ghost Love Score', a positive kind of bewilderment took over the orchestra. That, as well as 'Dark Chest of Wonders', were the first ones we recorded."
Williams was equally happy with his orchestra. "These musicians are such brilliant sight readers that it wasn't necessary to do more than a couple of rehearsals. Then we'd have a take or two of each song. It all went very smoothly. After the takes, I would check that Tuomas was happy, and then we would move on. If there was anything he wanted changed, it would be dealt with in a very short time. I must say, however, that we had prepared very well - I had been constantly on the phone with Tuomas when I was writing the arrangements. Yes, I ended up making a huge phone bill! But the groundwork paid off, as only a few small alterations were necessary."
Tuomas and Pip Williams immediately hit it off on a personal level. "Tuomas is sensitive, caring, very observant - he's what the English call a musical sponge", Williams commends. "It means he is always willing to try new ideas and absorbs the musical influences around him like a sponge. Tuomas always wants to learn more about music, its origins and sound. He has very firm ideas of what he is trying to achieve, but he also leaves space for those working with him to express themselves. He is humble, appreciative and approachable, one of the most talented musicians or composers I have ever worked with. I really think he would make an original and effective movie score composer, and I definetely want to collaborate with Tuomas again in the future - in fact, we're already talking about the next venture. I would also love to collaborate with him on a movie score at some point."
"Many times the players would come into the control room afterwards to listen to the takes, and according to Pip, that's something that doesn't happen very often," Tuomas says. "They're usually not that interested - they just do their job and leave, but now they actually listened to the songs. At the end of the last day, as I went down to thank the orchestra, they started applauding, standing up from their seats. It was one of those great moments in life."
According to Williams, a Pop or Rock artist rarely receives a standing ovation. "The musicians respected the quality of the songs and the challenge of playing such intricate and well structured music. You must remember that these guys also do simple pop sessions, songs that are very easy to play. With Nightwish, they were able to play stuff that was often as demanding as many of the classical pieces they had trained on. This was so much more than just simple 3-chord songs in 4/4 time. And let's not forget that they also had great respect for people that were prepared to take such a huge musical and financial risk, all for the sake of art! Remember, these were very expensive sessions. I'm very satisfied with my own reward for the arrangements, too."
"There is alwas a degree of compromise when mixing a Metal band with a large orchestra, as it's such a huge sound, but all in all, I'm really pleased with the end result", Pip reflects. "The main thing is that we have established a great identity with Nightwish and the orchestra, and our cooperation could be even better in the future. Seriously, Once is one of the most enjoyable projects in my career, and I've done this for 35 years!"
The rest of the Nighwish Famiglia had also learned to trust Tuomas' visions. "The band understands that the final versions sound nothing like the demos", Tuomas says. "I had to try and make them hear an orchestra and vocals here, a choir there, in order to convince them that it will sound good in the end. And no one ever said anything against it."
"Tuomas can hear the kettledrums and choirs and orchestras in his head, but we can only hear the keyboards and the rhythm", Jukka laughs. "Although he tries to explain all those things, you really can't figure out what the song will sound like in the end. But you can't object, either. When we first went through the songs, I felt like there was no hit material on the album. Even 'Nemo' didn't catch me at first.
Marco was initially completely dumbfounded by Tuomas' plans. "I often had to ask Tuomas what the hell is going on in the song", Marco laughs. "Like, 'Is this where the vocals will be? Is this the chorus?' I obviously needed some information about the backing tracks as well, to know where I could let it rip, and I often wondered would there even be room for anything else - like, 'How much stuff are you still going to layer on top of this?!" I was still feeling skeptical while we were doing the demo version of 'Dark Chest of Wonders', and I really didn't get the track until I heard the finished version. On the demo, Tarja's new singing style was still at a try-out phase, so you couldn't really hear the power in the song. But after proper production, the track changed quite radically and you could hear the point."
Tero (engineering, producer since 1997) was another dissident not always convinced by Tuomas' ideas. "I was so wrong about 'Dark Chest of Wonders'", he admits. "I hated that song and I even suggested It'd be left out altogether, partly because the original lyrics had magic wands and stuff like that in them, but also because it sounded really messy. But once we got it on tape, I realized it sounded so good that it should be the opening track. I guess I was initially under the wrong impression that on this album, the band sort of...grows up."
I like your approach to poet and the pendulum. You wll get so much more out of the master pieces this way.
next christmas time you try tarja turunen chrismas songs, they are 100 prosent tim burton stuff and it´s great. thanx to great reaction and have wonderful weekend.
I'm not going to go down the Tarja-v-Floor OrcHole.
They are both the best they can be... and they both keep getting better and have done excellent at spreading the love for metal.
So, anyway, if you want to hear what the band had done with the song by the time of Wacken, check out the 2013 version with Floor.
The orchestration is fuller and much more up-front in the mix.
AND you get that 'opening song of the concert'-vibe because, well, it IS the opening song.
I won't try to tell a woman to not dig up dirt from the past (I grew up with 3 sisters... me, the only boy)
So, you-do-you.
I probably won't watch as I don't need to re-live that for the 30th time (sometimes I get through the P&P without thinking about it... sometimes.)
Thank you for posting the link to the original songs.
It is so important to directly support the bands, whether the music is 20 minutes-new or 20 years-old.
Keep your chin up and your brain engaged.
The "main problem" was probably that Tarja did not see herself as a rock singer. She had already sung at an opera festival and represented Finland musically in South America. She wanted to do more than just rock music. But Nightwish's success did not allow this. This meant that the break was inevitable. Tuomas tried to exploit the success in the mainstream by hiring a pop singer next. In retrospect, Anette was the wrong one. Of the applicants, only one was successful without Nightwish and the band rejected her because of inexperience:
NIGHTWISH - Lead Vocalist Candidates in 2006
AMARANTHE - Archangel (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)
Floor, on the other hand, had been a metal fan since she was a teenager and there was never any question about what her priority is.
Funny that Anette's albums were more commercially successful for so long.. so much for "wrong"! They would have kept her longer if her health and off-stage activities fitted their style better. Tuomas did consider Floor but he did not want to break up her band at the time. Elize Ryd (Amaranthe, "The Denver Debalce") did a good version of Nemo when trying to join Nightwish too.
@@damienmaynard8892 Album singer/Chart DE/Chart UK/ Chart NO
Tarja-5/ 1 / 102 / 1
Anette-1/ 1 / 25 / 7
Anette-2/ 1 / 69 / 17
Floor-1 / 1 / 12 / 3
Floor-2 / 1 / 28 / 4
Floor-3 / ?
What exactly do you mean by successful Anette?
What were Anette's activities off stage, apart from becoming pregnant unexpectedly? How bad was her health when she gave a concert again after being hospitalized for a fever? And what kind of style did she have off stage?
Floor couldn't break up After Forever because it wasn't her band. She only joined two years after it was founded. She could have just left as she had come before.
After applying to Nightwish, Elize sang this demo at Nightwish's request:
Elize Ryd - Nemo Cover
No era para probar el quería a una cantante pop para no buscar una igual que Tarja lo dijo el mismo Tuomas en entrevistas para el Tarja es primordial la mejor vocalista de sus letras y se entiende Tarja es su Musa por eso el Poeta se suicida en el Poeta y el Péndulo 😏 con Floor sigue usando la misma táctica que con Annette de hecho la canción nueva Perfume suena para la voz de Annette por eso muchos que conocimos a Floor en After Forever siempre decimos que Tuomas desperdicia la potencia vocal de Floor la tiene gritando no la deja fluir y muchas veces la voz de Floor se siente sobreactuada con muchos gritos opaca a la voz de pecho de Floor ella no es rockera su voz es de pop rock por eso eso en el mercado del Rock Metal ella es conocida como la PinkPop Floor Jansen su voz gutural ni ya lo usa y cuando lo usaba sonaba sucio no suena limpia como la de Alissa por ejemplo , Tuomas definitivamente quedó con el concepto pop rock que creo con Annette y lo utiliza con Floor
@@Mischnikvideosexacto!!! Tal cual
@@esttelavidalinarolonmontie5431 Tuomas also wrote pop songs for Tarja. Tarja just refused to sing like that. That's why I had a problem with Tarja back then. Hans Zimmer and "Disney" were Tuomas' role models back then and he basically made the same songs as today. They are just more complicated and longer today.
For Floor, growls were always only a small part of her options. Most of the songs in ReVamp are without growls. In Nightwish she also uses growls, but usually only occasionally. Growls were and are not a consistent stylistic device for Floor.
Anette sang the songs less complexly than Tarja or Floor. She is technically much worse, which is why she is such a disaster live. In Perfume, Anette would fail because of the little things that Floor incorporates. Floor sings the chorus very emphatically and I don't think Anette can get it that precise.
Read the band's letter to Tarja given to her just after the End of an Era concert for their reasons for getting her go.
Floor can sing anything Tuomas throws at her, any way he'd like it sung, without being a diva.
Floor has had her share of tough years : After Forever never reached the kind of popularity that Nightwish, WT or Epica, the band ceased to exist right after releasing on of their greatest abum, due ot Sander's health issues. Then Floor created her own band in 2008 but being the lead singer, the leader and the face of her band was toomuch for her shoulders and in 2011 she had to stop touring for about her year due to a burn-out. So when she joined Nightwish, she knew how things can turn-out in an instant, she had experienced it and that kept her from letting success overwhelm her and inflate her ego.
Don't exaggerate, Floor can't sing everything from Nightwish discography. Well, she will, but I doubt you'll want to listen to it again. There are early songs where her vocal technique won't be enough.
she debunks almost all their claims in her press conference tho. I've heard nothing but great things from everyone else who's worked with her
I heard Tarja's husband had a lot to do with Tarja's change in self promotion over the band etc.
If a band member won't put in the work that the other members do then they don't deserve to be in the band. She never "debunked" that fact. If she's learned from that experience then that's great.
Amaranth music video is a good option. Its very interesting video that you will like...And the song is great too.
Tarja es mas operistica....a veces se excede del ritmo pero hace que sea tan natural que es su estilo.....❤
Floor es más rápida, se acopla muy bien al ritmo y hace que suene más fuerte, más potente.....
OMG ......las 2 mejores cantantes del Metal Sinfónico
ÚNICAS E INCOMPARABLES
🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Hi Lanae, you realy should listen to the "Floor version" of this song (or any for that matter). It is so much more powerfull and beautifull. In this Tarja version I thought she barelly sung louder than the choir. And I like Floor's versitility more. I love Tarja in the "Paradise" duet with Within Temptation though :)
Ese dueto con Sharon fue épico y fue ya en el tiempo Solista de Tarja recomiendo a Paradise video oficial
I love Nightwish - loved them then, love them now, and all 3 singers have their strengths (though Floor's versatility and range put her in a league of her own, whether with Nightwish, or After Forever, or solo). I've read through quite a few comments around the issues that led to Tarja's departure, but I'm surprised not to see more mention of the role played by Tarja's husband at the time - he was a weird Svengali-like figure, a real control freak, who tried to steer her artistic development, sat in on every interview she gave (and cut them off if he didn't like the way they went) - I have to wonder if she may have still been with them without his input damaging her relationship with Tuomas and the others.
One of the big music magazines of the time (maybe Classic Rock, maybe Kerrang! Can't remember) ran a big article about NW and Tarja around the time of the 'End of an Era' gig, and painted the husband as an absolute villain.
You should react to Steve'n'Seaguls ft. Tarja singing Nightwish's 'Sleeping Sun'.
🤗🤗
Thanks for this! Try next Nightwish - Sleeping sun.. end of an era concert. More Tarja ❤❤❤
Basically she was John and and got herself a Yoko.
Only Tarja ❤ hay un documental que se llama end of innocence de Nightwish, es muy interesante de ver para entender
I would also like to add that the Wacken 2013 concert was like capturing lightning in a bottle. It was the pinnacle of Nightwish, IMO. Unmatched before or since. A gem.
Another great reaction! If you want a good “Tuomas looks at Tarja” moment, check out the beginning of Everdream from this concert. Pretty intense
To cut a long story short; she refused to rehearse or travel with the rest of the band, wanted more money and told them she was leaving after the next album anyway. Things reached breaking point and the whole band wanted her gone, but Tuomas took most of the blame as it's his band. They could've gone about things in a better way, but Tuomas hates confrontation.
Now you're cutting it too short.
Tarja HATED with living on a tour bus. It was fine for a couple of months, but to spend 18 months on a f*cking bus where everybody is partying, but you can't join in because you need to safe your voice...It just was not how Tarja wanted to spend her life.
And if you're not happy, you're gong to say stuff like "I'm not getting paid enough for this shit". So Tarja suggested they would do fewer performances in larger stadiums and they should fly-in and fly-out. But for the rest of the band partying on the tour bus was exactly what they wanted, so they did not want to make changes at all.
Then Tarja decided SHE would leave the band...but she was not in a hurry to go. She would do 2 more tours with the band and fly-in, fly-out whenever possible....anything to avoid being on that bus...
During the first tour the band found out that travelling separately was not working out for them at all. Tarja wasn't there for promo-activities, rehearsals and meetings. And most important, when the band decided the tour could be extended for 6 months without even asking Tarja (she wasn't there at the band meeting...on the tour bus), Tarja got furious and she tried to have those additional shows cancelled. The band decided they were not going to do this for a second tour. Tarja needed to go!
@@vogel2280you’re leaving out the fact that Tarya’s husband was behind a lot of it as well. He wanted to put his nose into the band business where he had no place. The rest of the band wanted him to butt out of it as it wasn’t his place to try to call any of the shots.
@@jasong.5165 I think it`s only natural that Tarja needed/ wanted someone in her corner, being alone with four other band members against her and not caring about her needs. Tarja had already postponed her departure from the band for their benefit and here was the "thank you".
Very disrespectful for her and very disrespectful for the Nightwish fans. It was a bad choice, very immature. They could have handeled it differently.
@@jasong.5165 True, but I'm a firm believer Tarja was an adult and very capable to make up her own mind. If Marcello did not represent Tarja's opinion then Tarja should have called him out...she did not.
@@tuijakarttunen9164 I believe letting go of Tarja after that first tour was unavoidable. Their interests had grown too far apart.
However the manner in which it happened was immature. A businesslike "Thank you for your service, but we have grown apart" would have been so much better.
The last show of this concert was I wish I had an Angel. You should watch that. When the show ended, you see the stress on Toumas, all of the band really, but especially on Toumas. That, along with the open letters, then go to Poet.
This was also the opening song of that 2013 Wacken show with Floor, which you should also watch eventually.
Yeah, but dó the Floor version, too, its titles Jukka's (drummer) last show. (y)
Personally I'd prefer that you didn't do any full concerts until you've seen and reacted to each of the songs individually. Just my opinion.
If you want to look at Tuomas reactions during this concert, have a look at Ever Dream...
The letters will give you the answers about why they let her go, you probably did them already (haven't seen that yet thou).
Regarding doing Poet and the Pendulum, you should really let the letter sink in, and also understand what happed afterwards, all the critic that Tuomas got, it became rely messy...
That song (came of the album "Dark Passion Play") came out 2 yeas after End of an Era...
With Anette Amaranth, Storytime, Scaretale. But no matter what you do, songs from the ALBUM. Not live. If you want to, please do the Anette live songs later. Because doing them later will help you to understand, what you hear. Those songs she has to sing where made for a different singer, a whole different instrument all together.
If you want to know more, I saw that Tarja's press conference was just translated to English (as a whole). Would also make a good reaction series!
But to me, it seems that there was a lot of problems in the band and the biggest issue was them not talking to each other and bad management. People often say that Tarja is the problem and often refer to the Mape Ollila's book but it was written so, that Tarja was interviewed before her departure from the band but again, the guys knew she is going to leave. Feels a bit unfair that guys are only trashing Tarja and she didn't get the chance to tell her side of the story. Media has also favored this "Tarja was a diva" route as they want drama.
I have never seen Tarja say anything bad of the other Nightwish's members. Even in the press conference, she is being so graceful and trying to remember all good things. I just don't buy that Tarja would have been the only trouble. And well, how they decided to handle things with a letter... HORRIBLE, seriously.
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...Hopefully you wouldn´t burn the "Candle of mi Utuub - Universe" from both ends with Quantity Over Quality of reactions...
Don't sleep on Tarja's post-Nightwish solo stuff. Some really good stuff there too. I particularly liked her Dark Christmas album last year.
I love Nightwish since Floor has joined. I like her voice (and stage presence) way more than Tarja's.
Tarja y Floor son muy amigas tanto que Floor para aceptar ser vocalista de la banda pidio autorización a Tarja y esta se la cedio y Tarja la invito en su concierto como solista para cantar juntar y llevar el mensaje de que Tarja acepta que Floor sea su sucesora palabras textuales de la misma Floor Jansen si quieres saber porque Tuomas tuvo un suicido musical te recomiendo buscar las respuestas desde el principio desde la creación de Nightwish de como se conocieron los 3 principales creadores de Nightwish Tuomas, Tarja y Emmpu busca información en las entrevistas , conciertos, letras de las canciones , los gestos,las miradas, el libro de Tuomas la carta publica las declaraciones de Tarja y obligadamente deberás explorar los primeros álbumes de Tarja como Solista ya que alli hay información en sus letras como Diva respuesta a la carta abierta de Nightwish, I Wak Alone respuesta a su desvinculación, Until my last Breath respuesta a By By Beautifol de Nightwish, Love to Hate respuesta a la ira y libro de Tuomas, Too Money respuesta de la campaña de desprestigio de Tuomas contra ella y su marido , 500 Letras en respuestas a todas las canciones de amor de DESEOS NOCTURNOS DE TUOMAS HACIA TARJA, de despecho de ira de dolor esa canción habla de un acosador como poeta mmmm quien es el poeta de Nightwish siiii Tuomas mucha tarea para llegar al Poeta y el Péndulo amiga esa canción es el suicidio de Tuomas en la cancion como poeta que habla del amor desde ese entonces NUNCA MAS VOLVIO A ESCRIBIR PARA EL AMOR Y MUCHO MENOS PARA LOS DESEOS NOCTURNOS, desde la era de Floor se adentro a la fisica al medio ambiente al universo y más a la Biología una rama de su preferencia personal Tuomas siempre quiso ser Biólogo mucha suerte al reactor hay mucho por descubrir para llegar al Poeta y el Péndulo para ello debes sacar el fanatismo a un lado y recaudar información imparcialmente no debes inclinarte por ningun lado escucha las dos campanas y no te quedes solo con la carta abierta ya públicamente Tuomas dijo que esa carta fue un error no todo lo que esta allí es del todo cierto que fue creado por el impulso de las emociones y la madurez de ese tiempo shhh tambien busca una entrevista de este año a Marco Hietala ex bajista de Nightwish el dijo algo relacionado sobre la disputa entre Tarja y Tuomas en la gestion de la banda y Marco dijo que no tenia problemas en volver a la banda pero para que ocurra eso debe de haber cambios eso dijo Marco es obvio que en Nightwish en su centro no funciona bien ya Sammy el primer bajista de la banda ya lo habia mencionado tambien quienes dirigen a Nightwish en cuanto las gestiones hay problemas con ellos todos los ex integrantes de ka banda counciden con ello 😏
If you want to understand the band and their story, you should be with them from 1996. Fŕom the start.
Her manager' and husband was asking so much. And she was never available. Check out (Master passion greed). This is the hardest and angriest the song is about her Manager husband. You won't hear a Nightwish song again like this
Hi Lanae....ya going the most fast lane to The Poet And The Pendulum !!!!!!
Respect !!!!
Ya.....do it your way !!!!!!
Continue like ya feel ........
The letter will say a lot to you........
I love this song by either singer!!! (I haven't heard Anette do this.) I am of the understanding that Tarja was looking to leave in about 12 months or so to go solo. And as she was already looking ahead to that, the boys felt it was impacting on the band in the "now". There is also talk that it was more because of her manager who became her husband ~ they may already be married at this time, I don't know. I'm not sure as I'm a relatively new follower of Nightwish. Someone else in the Army will have better details, I'm sure. I am always learning more about them ..... and I love it!!! 😄
Despues de este concierto y la expulsion de Tarja la banda lanzo un comunicado firmado por todos explicando las razones. Fue tanto el alboroto que hasta el Primer Ministro de Finlandia opino al respecto. El End of the Era es una maravilla. en realidad todos los conciertos grabados lo son, pero este tiene ese componente emocional que resulta conmovedor.
You should react to the band Insomnimu the song stained in red it will blow your mind
This one and GLS are nice songs to contrast Floor and Tarja (I did not say compare because that might suggest there is a ranking). Some of the things Floor does (and gets applauded for) were also done by Tarja. More than I sometimes realize. I am more of a Floor fan because I like the way she became part of the band, whereas Tarja and Anette were more the singers in the band. As partly a spoiler to the letters: at the rehearsals for EFMB Floor turned up and contributed to the early phases of shaping the music. For the previous albums apparently the music was finished by the musicians and then the vocals were added. Another reactor, Doug Helvering, when introducing Nightwish says 'with Floor on vocals'. I think that is spot on. Floor plays the vocal chords. As such she is one of the musicians and not the singer. That may be subtle, but I think it played a role in the breakup.
I think you've misunderstood Tarja's Role in the band. She was co-founder of NW, never just a singer. And her Voice and singing style made NW symphonic metal band. Thomas composed music based strongly on her operatic style of singing. Without Tarja NW would have gone a very different direction originally. Respect for the original NW Queen and Goddess🔥
Nightwish fueled many Quake3 / DefraG videos back then. Dark Chest of Wonders at 4 min: CBEj0YyPSLw&t=4m
You will see the lyrics for this song when you watch the opener of Wacken 2013 with Floor on vocals. This was a very difficult show for all of the guys. You will see Tuomas trying to play it cool. but failing at some points. When you do the Open Letter you will understand the difficult position Tarja put the band in. It was not a great way to make the break. No one wanted to do it but it was inevitable. Do Amaranth as the music video.
Hey Lanae please watch the 2013 Wacken opening version. Probable the best opener in all of Nighwishe's performances
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Tuomas is such a gentleman, when he heard Floor for the first time, he knew that is what I need, but Floor had her own band,
and he didn't want to break up a succesfull band.
But he never forgot her, and when the shit hit the fan in 2012, and Floor was available after a heavy burnout, she came to
the rescue, and the rest is history.
Check out ; ( Please learn the setlist in 48 hours" ) and understand why Tuomas can now write without limits for the vocal parts.
When Floor first saw the lyrics and heard the melody of "Shoemaker" her first reaction was "how the fuck I'm gonna sing this???"and Tuomas sad with a smile "you will find a way" .
Se nota que no conoces nada del porque Tuomas llegó al Poeta y el Péndulo antes tuvo una historia , un comienzo que es notorio que los fandom actuales no conocen y apuesto que ni siquiera saben porque la banda lleva ese nombre 😂😂😂😂 Nightwish no nació en un Wacken 2013 en ese entonces la banda ya tenía 2 eras antes con historias distintas superen la era de Tarja ya pasaron casi 20 años de la desvinculación de Tarja dejen a los reactores conocer la historia de Nightwish es una gran banda y se merece respeto Floor nunca borrará el pasado de Nightwish y menos a Tarja cuando Tarja tiene más peso en la banda por ley y por lógica siendo que ella no solo era la vocalista principal sino la Cofundadora de la banda ese pasado jamás la borrarán es parte de la banda su historia su cultura y su esencia Tarja siempre será parte de Nightwish por toda la eternidad superenla y maduren si Tuomas lo hizo ustedes como fans también lo pueden , Tuomas y Tarja ya hicieron las pases hace años atrás dejen la labia para niños y sean sensatos 😏🤘🏻
I love Tarja, but the Wacken 2013 version with Floor is vastly superior.
Agree to disagree. I overall prefer Floor but there's a few songs that, IMO, fits Tarja better and, to me, that's one of them. But that's just my 2c opinion...
@@johan7170 Agree to disagree to disagree 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@HCH944 lol
So, she will enjoy the same song twice
@@johan7170 I agree that there are songs better suited to Tarja.... but Dark Chest of Wonders isn't one of them. Floor at Wacken is far better (imo)
Hi Lanae,
Since many of the NW army will have already suggested you numerous songs from their latest era with Floor (who is awesome by the way), I will take the courage to suggest some of their early era with Tarja:
So from the End of an Era tour;
Phantom of the Opera (the best version according to Andrew Lloyd Webber - ruclips.net/video/tL25rbnvM4o/видео.html )
Planet Hell (another great harmony between Marco's & Tarja's voices - ruclips.net/video/yswh14JISQs/видео.html )
Ever Dream (eventhough Floor really nails it, especially at the end, for me Tarja's version is more...sentimental because of all the aftermath - ruclips.net/video/1p29LcuuvgQ/видео.html )
The Kinslayer (referring to the Columbine High School massacre - ruclips.net/video/f3aM0XjYdBA/видео.html )
The Siren ( ruclips.net/video/LUy8T_3kieI/видео.html )
Slaying the Dreamer (my favourite version PERKELEEE! - ruclips.net/video/tFSqaLKXzwY/видео.html )
Creek Mary’s Blood ft. John Two-Hawks (taken from Dee Brown’s book ruclips.net/video/ovZxa7KYRu0/видео.html )
From Wishes to Eternity tour; (here you'll hear a more classical Tarja, no Marco though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - full concert here - ruclips.net/video/U-n8q8IBbbM/видео.html )
Pharaoh Sails to Orion (ft. Tapio Wilska for some low and dark voice - ruclips.net/video/JsAi3_tT0yk/видео.html )
Crimson Tide / Deep Blue Sea (instrumental, Tuomas' love for film music, a medley, "Crimson Tide, Deep Blue Sea", which borrowed melodies from Hans Zimmer's music in the 1995 film Crimson Tide and Trevor Rabin's music in the 1999 film Deep Blue Sea - ruclips.net/video/h93Y5Pq2kKo/видео.html )
Fantasmic ( watch Tuomas like never before - ruclips.net/video/tTWVogCOCCI/видео.html )
Beauty and the Beast (ft. Tonny Kakko from Sonata Arctica - ruclips.net/video/IHFYf_lpKT8/видео.html ) Walking in the Air (a great ballad - ruclips.net/video/rwBg8AX6prc/видео.html )
Last but not least, from Century Child album, Beauty OF the Beast (as said by many, it's Ghost Love Score before Ghost Love Score existed - ruclips.net/video/X3WrCzLIIvk/видео.html )
From her solo career;
I Walk Alone ( ruclips.net/video/wbeQVzXvtok/видео.html )
Oasis ( ruclips.net/video/coL6_C9JdFY/видео.html )
Until My Last Breat ( ruclips.net/video/G-i4wUTtkZc/видео.html )
I Feel Immortal ( ruclips.net/video/ko4Cp0Yjggc/видео.html )
Innocence ( a great video about domestic violence - ruclips.net/video/6yYccQ0S1yI/видео.html ) as well as a great live version of it ( ruclips.net/video/Lq-genEQNLA/видео.html )
Eagle Eye ( ruclips.net/video/j6GxSphwb2Y/видео.html )
Supremacy (a Muse cover - ruclips.net/video/e5zEb5xFlIE/видео.html )
No Bitter End (official video - ruclips.net/video/dqZs-DFtx9g/видео.html ) ( live version - ruclips.net/video/Gclnq4dcUok/видео.html )
Shadow Play ( ruclips.net/video/dZwkRRunp1A/видео.html )
O Come, O Come, Emmanuel ( a dark Christmas reaction maybe? - ruclips.net/video/lwloz95Ubyk/видео.html )
And finally, a collaboration with Within Temptation (another great band you must hear) Paradise (What About Us?) (live version - ruclips.net/video/8vsKQTfxf80/видео.html) (VR live [due to COVID] ruclips.net/video/eseI4O2-uZA/видео.html )
And finally finally, the latest collaboration with Marko
Left on Mars (ruclips.net/video/1TgQOj3rwzE/видео.html)
What I know she had decided to leave NW after one more album but they fucked her up before that in a very ugly way. 😵💫 Tarja4Evr! 🙏⭐️❤️
Opening number of their Wacken 2013 show - this song, with Floor.... like wine, got better with time! Anette was hit or miss live - 2012 Montreaux Jazz Festival "Slow, Love, Slow" was a great performance.( so was Emppu's ;) !)
I agree with what I just read. I have never liked the bickering either and I stopped commenting for a while, but I think it’s finally time that I just get this out into the open even though it doesn’t matter lol but Tarja does absolutely nothing for me. Does she have a nice voice yes but the problem is I discovered floor. It’s very hard to go from floor to Tarja…..easier to go from Tarja to Floor……. I really respect the fans and the Nightwish army that have been there since the beginning but after listening to a ton of stuff, and I am now a part of the Nightwish army I can say that Tarja is NOT metal……. I don’t think she fits a lot of the music that night which plays I’m glad to see that she’s thriving on her own and now she’s doing some stuff with Marco, which is great, but I will always say she does nothing for me. Her voice stays in the same register most of the time, a lot of people love that I do not get very bored with her singing, but that’s just me but I’m not gonna throw her under the bus. I’m very happy that she is successful right now.
Good for you. I feel the songs written for Tarja sound much better with Tarja. Floor, to me, sounds like the Kellyoke version of NW. Actuality, Kelly could probably sing a lot of these songs much better.
I’ve never heard this version! The 2013 version is unreal but this was really cool to see!
Floorminions in 1. 2, 3: " you should react to the Wacken 2013 version with Floor.", jajaja omg
Maybe that's because most consider it to be better?
Regardless, the whole band agreed Tarja should go nearly 20 years ago so it's long past time for the "Tarja is Nightwish" crowd to move on...
@@user-rf2ng7bi5z If that version is better for you, good for you, go listen to it, but what is the idea of being in each video wanting to make a kind of competition between both artists? A competition that does not exist. Unfortunately, they cannot erase the past with their elbow and write something new, Tarja was the main voice of the band for eight years and with her they recorded five albums, so, let people enjoy each era of the band in peace, each one He will draw his conclusions or everyone has their preferences, but Floor fans get tired. The band's last two albums are the worst evaluated and apparently the third is almost identical to the other two.
@@user-rf2ng7bi5zNo, most people that watch reaction videos. The vast majority of NW fans don’t watch these. Lol
😂😂😂 so truuue theyre so predictable and desperate
I have to add a second comment: Family members quarrel but love each other nonetheless. Each and every member that has performed for Nightwish has brought their unique talents and abilities. We love them for this. Regarding NW singers, it is arguable that Miss Floor stands on the shoulders of giants. Adding Miss Annette and Miss Floor, Miss Tarja's shoulders must be sore indeed! Looking through your other reactions, I think that you might like hearing Floor's husband's band Sabaton. Please do "No Bullets Fly", (the animated version). It is based on a true story, watch it till the end and be sure to have your tissues close at hand. If you like that song, do Christmas Truce next. (The NW Army will correct me if I am wrong but I hear that Miss Floor has a vocal cameo in that one.)😊
Floor
I am not sure about the viability of posting the entire concert in one piece; but I have certainly seen several reactors go through the concert in one sitting (perhaps live on another platform) and then break it up into single song videos for posting to RUclips.
Hi Lenea. This song is the opening song at the Wacken 2013 concert. I highly recommend you watch the version with Floor. Then you can hear the difference. As I have written before. Tarja is great but she can only do opera. Annette was more the pop queen of Nightwish. She struggled with many vocal styles. With Floor, perfectionism came into the band. She can do opera, she has an unbelievable range, her belting is awesome and if you listen to her growl (Re Vamp with Disdain in Graspop 2010) then I'll tell you what I'm talking about. I have to be honest, I personally don't like Tarja anymore. Too much has gone before and the fame has unfortunately gone to her head. Luckily for Nightwish, because Floor flew out of the sky in a roundabout way (watch the Floor Jansen story on You Tube, there you can find out everything about her life. It's in German, but with English subtitles). As I said, you have to listen to all 3 songs you've heard from Tarja with Floor. There is much more power and above all much more soul. LG from Germany
I’m used to hear Floor sing this song. This is the first time I hear Tarja sing this song and I hate it.
You should definitely react to the 2013 Wacken version with Floor. Both versions rock, but Wacken has a little better sound/mix.❤❤
There's a great song you really need to react to: 7 days to the Wolves and I choose the Wembley version You will thank me later trust me
An open letter is just the vomit of a closed mind that corrodes smiling teeth.
Love Tarja but i have a hard time sometimes with her way to much accent. Doesnt always sound very good.
Now listen to Floor open Wacken with this song if you haven't and enjoy them both. ❤ Equally. And Tarja has awesome solo music ....
Nightwish had no other option than fire Tarja. She had public announced that she was leaving the band, because it could not fullfill her ambitions - and that's fair enough.
During 2004/2005 she skipped rehearsals to rehearse on her solo career. She wouldn't go touring in the US because there were no money in it - and she wanted a bigger part of the income on the next revord. In short, Tarja had other priorities - therefore the band had no other option than fire her - or disband.
They had outgrown each other - and this is completely ok.
But the breaking up was uggly and handled poorly and childish by all the involved parts. Completely stupid to do everything in public - from Tarja's announcement of leaving and til the open letters. That's simply un-professionel.
Nightwish had learned the lesson later on when Anette was fired.
she didn't announce it to the public, she only told the band about her intentions, letting them know in advance. Also while reading the biography, it seems that a lot of management issues went over her head - she knew only what her husband told her and he had his own truth and the rest of the band only heard what their management told them, and that was the main reason for the conflict.
But Tarja wanted to leave at some point anyway, I believe her when she says that they created beautiful music together but she always wanted to be able to have more time for her classical projects, classical music is her first love and Nightwish was a full time job.
No thanks! Wacken 2013 with Floor ❤️
7:15 This will be solved if you are going to prepare on poet and the pendulum
Its one side against another. Its not definitive and we will probably really never know. I liisten to both and love them both, but I will not take one side of the story other the other. Only they know.
@@rkempo even if it is one sided, in the letter by the boys in the band they explain why they did it. Even if some of it is actually not true, they thought that at that point in time and they acted on what they thought. I agree on not taken a position. I wasn't there.
If you do the letter, do the deeper dive. The letter is Tuomas's side. He gave her the letter, told her not to open it till the next day and that night released it publicly trashing her
Sorry, but I hear the Cowardly Lion every time she sings
It is what it is. They had a few singers. Everybody takes their pick.
For me, Floor is untouchable. In a way, it's not fair for those others to have to be compared to Floor.
IMO, Tarja leans too far into the classical/operatic for my taste. Anette leans too far into the pop. Floor is just right, and her stage presence and performance quality is so great.
No disrespect to the others, but it's Floor for me.
Why they fired Tarja? Because Tarja had already given her resignation, so it was just a matter of time. She was no longer committed to the band. Tarja had good reason to quit. The band wanted to spend the rest of their lives on a tour bus, but Tarja HATED the tour bus. Especially because the roadies were taking care of the bands instruments, but Tarja had to take care of her voice herself. Drinking, smoking, loud people on a bus, having fun, but you can never join in, because you need to take of your voice... I can understand how that is no fun!
With her notice they agreed to do 2 more tours together. Tarja would fly-in and fly-out whenever possible and preferably not spend one minute on the bus. This also meant Tarja missed promotional activities, rehearsals and important band meetings....like the one in which the band agreed to extend the tour by six months. Tarja was furious that the band made such a decision without even asking her. She tried to have the sold out concerts cancelled....and that was the final straw.
I have to say this song is better with Floor at Wacken. Wishmaster would have been a great pick from this concert But during some of the songs in this concert, you can see the despair and sadness in Tuomas’s eyes, face and gestures. He knows, and all the other members too. And Tarja looks so happy, even though she’s sick and in fever. Some songs are even painful to watch. But still, it’s a great show altogether.
They kick her out because she is too selfish to work in group. Her husband is male Yoko Ono.
They kicked Sami out for being too selfish to work in a group, and then Anette because she got pregnant which is also too selfish to work in a group, and Marko also left because he was too selfish to work in a group.
@@karadenizin-kizi Sami left because NW music was not what he wanted to play. Anette, I don't know. Document she talk all the time about herself and how hard it is on tour. Marko left because "middle- hands" took most of money of his commerical "Marko" staff. If somebody use you, it is not selfish to stop do things for free.
@@jroutasula5250Sami was fired by Tuomas through their management because Sami was his friend and he couldn't say it to his face that he wasn't satisfied with his commitment anymore. This is not speculation, Tuomas talked about it in length.
And as for Tarja... anyone who has worked with her has said she's lovely. Just because the Nightwish management and touring pace didn't work for her anymore doesn't make her selfish. People quit their jobs all the time.
@@karadenizin-kizi those who do not want to say she is lovely say nothing, of course they won't. Why should. She do solo today, we all know why.
@@jroutasula5250 Do you think solo means she is all by herself on tour and on stage? No other people involved?
No collaborations with other musicians, like Within Temptation/Sharon, who asked her to join their tour this year, with Alissa White-Gluz, with Christina Scabbia, Floor, Marko, Simone from Epica inviting Tarja to a concert and Tarja inviting them to her home instead because she's had a newborn at that time. Tarja sending Tuomas her condolences privately after his father passed which we wouldn't know if he hadn't mentioned it because he was touched by the gesture.
If all those people choose to work and interact with Tarja *after* the split, believing she is too selfish to work in a team and not a nice person is laughable.
Whatever guard you have up, when Floor's voice comes in she cut's thru it like a fresh sharpened butcher knife and get's you right into your soul and while your bleeding out you feel satisfied.
That never happens with the Diva.
Never happened to me with Floor either
This is great.... but I must say Floor's version at 2013 Wacken is even Greater. To me, Tarja always had that "guest star Diva" persona, totally different from Floor. Floor is a fearless Battle Queen, and takes command of Nightwish with ferocity (or tenderness) as required. Tuomas is the heart and soul of NW, but Floor is the PERFECT expression for his vision.