He’s that one kid in high school that says “99/100 is so bad, my parents are going to kill me” and then proceeds to say to the 33/100 student, “omg that’s so good, you should be so proud of yourself!”
I...think you missed the main point of the movie. Jane doesn't believe in Peter Pan, can't fly, gets mad when kids are being kids and so on because she grew in the middle of a war. The movie is about her rediscovering her lost childhood.
@@mattygreen6233Peter Pan 2 was the Best Sequel and Jane was a Great Hero and she never gave up. She learned that with Great Perseverance came Great Responsibility.
Jane can’t fly because her character arc is the reverse of Wendy’s in the original. Wendy learned to accept that growing up was inevitable while Jane had to learn to embrace her inner child since she suppressed it growing up during wartime. This mindset wasn’t receptive to the faith, trust and pixie dust combo that flying required. It’s only when she does take on the right mindset that she can fly. The Peter Pan stories and what they represent are antithetical to what Jane saw as the necessities to survival during World War II and the Blitz, and when Wendy asks her to champion these stories for her younger brother Jane doesn’t think this is a priority. As for the wonderful thought requirement, Jane isn’t in a whimsical mood. She’s trekked through bombed out streets during an air raid and had survival as her number one focus. Her father has asked her to look after her mother and brother for him while he’s gone. She also faces being separated from her mother and sent somewhere she doesn’t know. That’s pretty hard to get from when your destination is think happy thoughts.
Not to mention the minor thought of her dad maybe not being alive anymore. Dreams and Fairytales just don't belong to the world Jane lives in. That's why she gets so pissed of at her mother
For all of this I think this movie is just one of the example that Disney sequels can be not just good, but almost a necesary addition to these stories. Not just following with the premise of the first movie but expanding on it to contrast it on different circumstances that totally make sense is EXACTLY the kind of thing a true sequel should do. We got the first one to be all about the whimsical side of childhood and fantasy and then this one has to remind you that the world still exist out there and it sucks, and how hard try to be a child on it can be. Narnia chronicals also did the same thing, although less with it as a focus and more like a side thing you are not really supposed to think too hard about it.
I think that Jane couldn’t fly, not because she couldn’t think of a wonderful thought, but because she didn’t have faith or trust. She doesn’t really believe if human flight so she doesn’t have faith in it nor does she trust what Peter says to her. Plus the fact that she grew up in WWII would give a child like Jane little faith or trust to begin with.
I agree, I always knew that is the reason she couldnt fly, its so obvious, yet he didnt see it. Also isnt it weird that while all the other kids are scared and confused about the whole war thing as they dont really know whats going on, Jane is so aware and knows whats happening, like how.
@@phtuber5469 I guess she's just smarter or grew up quicker which I mean is the theme for her in this movie. Plus she's 12 I doubt it would be hard for her to find out if she wanted to and she did
@@citruschxco Yeah, you're right, I guess its not so unbelievable as it initially seemed too me. The thing is it really surprises you how mature she is for her age when you watch it as an adult yourself, im just saying.
She’d probably have some fear or trepidation with flight since flying bombers have ravaged the city she lives in. It’s only once she embraces the spirit of being a Lost Girl she’s able to achieve flight.
My interpretation was that Jane was unable to fly cause she didn’t really believe in magic and fairy dust and all that, since her whole arc is bonding with the lost boys and rediscovering the childhood wonder she lost because of the war. And towards the end of the movie when Tinker Bell comes back to life it shows that Jane now genuinely believe in fairies/magic and is willing to embrace it. That’s why she can fly later when they rescue Peter together.
Yeah, she had an in-story reason for not being able to fly, not just because the plot wanted her to stay on Neverland for longer. It's made clear right when Jane blows up on her brother and Wendy scolds her: "You think you're very grown up, but you have a great deal to learn." This along with how Jane acts and talks suggests that the war caused if not forced Jane to take on adult problems because she was just old enough to comprehend them, and with that accelerated mental maturity she lost a lot of her childlike innocence and imagination that would have enabled her to believe in magic and fun (what Peter Pan preserves in children), and thus fly. The promise she made to her dad to take care of the family while he was gone wouldn't have helped because it also put an additional sense of responsibility on her. Jane's arc throughout the story was to reconnect with the child that she still is and learn the importance of protecting wonder and dreams in one's self and others, especially in times of disaster (where they act as hope).
I highly empathized with jane when I watched the movie as a kid. Being the oldest sibling, especially during tough times, can weigh heavily on you. Your childhood is already shortened by the expectation that you will help raise your siblings. Jane didn't want her brother to build up high hopes for a fantasy and be disappointed by reality like she was.
And then when you accidentally turn into a third parent, you parents get all upset even though you are just trying to carry out responsibility and not at all trying to take their place.
I empathize with Jane, her little brother, and Wendy. It's not about Jane not growing up. She needs a hopefulness. She needs to know that it's not all nonsense to believe that there is still a tiny bit good and beauty in the world.
Same. I’m the oldest in a military family and my dad was deployed to the Middle East when I was just 8 years old. This movie makes me cry every time because I was Jane for a period of my life. I had to grow up fast and be strong for my family.
The movie doesn't have to literally tell you why Jane is the way she is. It shows you by putting her in London's situation. The war is affecting her to the point that she doesn't think well about fairy tales and Peter Pan. As for her skills, the war makes her think about survival. It could've made her study all survival methods. Also I wouldn't call Tinkerbell's death a fake death. More like a resurrection.
Also, she's about to be sent out into the countryside, so she could've studied up on wilderness survival techniques just in case. Tinkerbell's death could be considered a fakeout because the movie was trying to make us wonder if she would STAY dead
RIGHT? I'm really surprised at seamus for this video, as I'm pretty sure he once said that you don't have to spoon feed the viewers everything that's happening. Which is right. It's pretty freaking obvious to see why Jane is the way she is. A traumatized child living in a war and having to deal with a parent going off into the war. That would also explain why she wouldn't really have many happy memories either (even though peter apparently didn't tell her she had to think happy thoughts to fly). I personally liked this movie as a kid, better than the old one. Not that I hate it, but it was a bit boring and it also had blatant racism.
@@magicwandstudio3141 She survives in the book too, and the play. In the book, Peter calls out to all the children to help in their dreams (it's been a while, but that's how I remember it) and in the play it's the audience clapping "she's says she thinks that she could get well again if children believe in fairies". And then "say quick if you believe, if you believe in fairies clap your hands" and then she's all revived and they fly off to "rescue Wendy"
Tbh it makes sense that we feel bad for Jane after she tells at her brother. She's a child growing up in the middle of world War two... she knew a world that was more peaceful and now she's running through bomb raids. She had to grow up early and she's struggling with the unfairness of it. Regaining her childhood is kinda the point of her arc-
I also think she’s not really complaining about peter pan in that moment; or at least thats not the whole story. She doesn’t want to leave her mother now that her father’s off at war, and wants to be the one to protect both of them. She doesn’t think she needs protecting by her mother sending her off with her brother, which to her signifies she’s too immature to stay and that she’s still a child. Which is why she gets upset when her mother starts telling her to tell Daniel about peter pan, all the talk of what Jane thinks is “demoting” her to a child’s world and loses it. She wants to stay because her dad told her to take care of her family, and looking into it that way she’s upset that the war tore apart her family and here her mother is telling her that it will be better if she tells peter pan stories (obviously not what wendy’s saying but thats what I think Jane’s seeing it as, in a half mature/immature way)
I really like that they “killed” Tinker Bell because it was in the original book and Peter broke the fourth wall telling the readers to clap their hands to show they believe in fairy’s and she comes back to life.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 Yeah, I know; it's kinda assumed that she just died because fairies don't live long... but I thought people didn't age in Neverland?????
Yeah, this happened in the play, too. Apparently if not enough people believe in fairies, they just straight up bite it. I think this is addressed in the Tinkerbell spin-offs too, but I don't remember.
@@abiwonkenabi7027 It’s addressed in the books, but not the movies. Actually, fun fact: the ORIGINAL version of the first movie was specifically about the Ring of Belief. But y’know. It got scrapped.
You know there was actually a deleted version of Jane's sad scene where instead of the pop song we get to see Wendy holding Daniel and singing "The second star to the right" from the first movie.
And she’s got a promise to keep to her father to look after Wendy and Michael. When they’re in war torn London that’s a big worry, not to mention Jane must think there’s a ticking clock element with Michael being sent out to the country. If time did pass at the same rate imagine Wendy finding Jane gone. Search parties aren’t really an option and the authorities might chalk it up to a kid not wanting to leave the city.
The tinker bell spinoffs are top tier and nobody can tell me anything, the fact that they made so many only illustrates how fire they all were, and they never let me down! I was talking to trees expecting fairies to reply until i was 10, TEN!!! all thanks to the cinematic masterpiece that is tinker bell
Saame! These movies are 100% masterpieces, I still love them and am going to show my niece the movies, as soon as she's a bit older (I want her to remember these masterpieces).
Love the Disney Fairies movies! 😍 Mae Whitman was great; she plays Heather in the How to Train Your Dragon series, thus confirming my headcanon that Tinkerbell can sing. 🥰
The theme of being a child at heart is big in this movie. The idea that Jane had to grow up and take on a more adult roll because of the war is what causes her to not be able to fly. It's the problem that needs solving as you can clearly see Wendy being worried about her at the start of the movie because of this. Going to never land and rediscovering being a kid is her journey, while Wendy's was more learning what responsibilities is. Remember she became "Mother" for all the lost boys while she was there. They both get the lessons they need at the time. Still Wendy has also managed to retain that inner child as an adult, also because of her trip to Neverland. That's why she can fly at the end of this movie.
Fun fact: In the original book, when Wendy meets up with Peter again just a year later, he doesn't even remember Tinkerbell because they live such short lives she died immediately after Wendy left and Peter just couldn't be bothered to remember.
There's also a disturbing offhand comment made about Peter "thinning out" the Lost Boys when they begin to age... sounding like he kills them off when they get too old to be his playmates.
Fun fact about that scene you liked between Peter and Wendy. It's partially based on the ending of the original story, where Peter returns to the house to pick up Wendy for another adventure, something they had done sporadically throughout her childhood, except it turns out that he'd been awol for too long and Wendy has grown up and had a child of her own, who's name was in fact Jane, and therefore too old to go to Neverland. At first he has a hard time coming to terms with this, but then when his tantrum wakes up Jane, his little goldfish mind instantly takes her on as an adventure buddy, and this continues being tradition for all of Wendy's consecutive female descendants ever after. The conversation in the movie was a lot more chill, but this scenario was also slightly adapted for the Movie Hook. Thought you might find this interesting.
It is really sad though. Being forever a kid and thus sort of having that clingy attachment to people, and especially with them leaving pretty steadily ... you feel bad for Peter a bit huh
@@NicholeParker Yeah, it's a pretty melancholy concept. No wonder he's typically the representation of children that have died or adults that never properly grew up.
@@NicholeParker well at least in the book, he is shown to have a very poor memory (that's why he forgot to visit Wendy, he even forgot who Hook is), so I guess somehow, he is not sad about not seeing these people anymore. Though it is still sad to think that he kept forgetting them.
Wendy is a brown-haired white woman in a blue dress. Conspiracy: *Wendy is actually Belle’s great-great-great-great granddaughter.* In case anyone thinks I’m being serious, it’s a joke, I swear😂 Edit: Jesus Christ, it’s been a day, how did this get so many likes😂
tbh, unlike Melody from the little mermaid sequel, Jane is a canon chaacter in the original peter pan play and book. so she wasnt exctly pulled from out of no where. esp cuz in the book pan takes her to neverland XD
The characters assuming that Jane is Wendy is also a really nice nod to the original Peter Pan story, I think. From my understanding, it ends with Peter coming back to find Wendy, but, doesn't realize she's grown up and just assumes that her daughter is her and takes HER to Neverland. I think this even happened a third time with her granddaughter.
Well I think there's this 1991 live action movie called Hook where Peter Pan was literally all grown and he has gotten Married to Wendy's Granddaughter and has had 2 kids with her
Time worked the same for him but he doesn't grow up and he was too young to fully grasp the concept. Basically he made a deal with Wendy and her mother that he would take Wendy back to Neverland every summer. He did that once or twice then missed a year and when he came back, he didn't even realised that he missed a year. Then he just forgot entirely and Wendy kinda grew up and just thought Peter would continue to forget when he just burst into the nursery again. Iirc, he wanted to kill Jane when he realised that she's Wendy's daughter (product of her growing up) but instead he broke down and we had a repeat of Wendy's first interaction with Peter through Jane.
Imagine if Seamus reacted to this in theaters lol Everyone: crying because Tinkerbell died Seamus: YES!!!!! Edit: Hi Seamus! You are the coolest! Thanks for liking my comment I'm up late doing homework and you just made my day!
Just a bit of advice I learned (even though you probably know it now) when a creator likes your comment you shouldn’t edit it to give thanks because it erases their like so send a reply instead👍
Honestly, unironically, it was one of my favorite movies growing up. I always chose it over the original, and I liked how Peter Pan seemed to be more than just fun and games when Tinkerbell is dying and he is actually really worried about her. Also, the scene with Peter and Wendy at the end is just great.
@@RealogOnlyBrodie “triggered with nostalgia” no lol. The first one has charm because it didn’t try too hard to pander to very young children but instead to everyone. Wendy didn’t annoy me as much as Jane. I thought the crocodile was a better antagonist to Hook than the octopus. It doesn’t even make sense considering the crocodile is the one after Hook after eating his hand. The songs in the sequel are forgettable and not as iconic as the first. And the first movie has more locations. There was the Indian camp, mermaid lagoon, and skull rock which were all missing in the sequel.
This movie will personally always have a special place in my heart. I used to adore it as a child. Last night I watched it for the first time in eight years and completely lost it, bawling my eyes out because I feel like Jane did. I used to be someone who believed anything could happen. My entire world revolved around fairytales and pretending, and watching that movie yesterday really made me realize how much of that part of me I've lost. I feel like I haven't been a child for five years, even though I'm in my mid teens. I feel like I spent so much time that others my age spent playing, on things like looking after my brother, and working to get money from the very second I could. I used to believe in faith, trust, and pixie dust, but now I find myself losing that part of me, my childhood, and I try to hold on to it, but it always slips through my fingers again.
There are 3 things you need to fly: faith, trust and pixie dust. I can easily argue that Jane lacked 2 of those things thus why she can't fly for the majority of the movie
The little mermaid: Ariel wants to leave the ocean Return to the sea: Melody wants to go to the ocean Peter Pan: Wendy doesn't want to grow up Return to Neverland: Jane wants to grow up
Fun fact: Return to Neverland was the first movie I ever saw in theaters. I was 4 years old. I distinctly remember looking at the poster outside the theater.
Tanner P. So cool! This wasn’t the first movie I saw in theaters but I have a distinct memory of going to see it because my dad ended up breaking his leg after we got home from the theater that night. I was eight. I blamed Captain Hook for it.
this was my first movie in theaters too!! I distinctly remember the end credits with “Do You Believe in Magic” and how I’d annoy my parents with it alllll the time.
I'm genuinely excited for you to cover the Tinker Bell movies, I genuinely love them and rewatched them on Disney+ a few weeks ago. Wait did I just use 'genuinely' twice, what is wrong with me?
Return to Neverland is one of the best Disney sequels though, and I will die on that hill. It has a perfect blend, as you said, of this darkness to it that speaks to adults, but also has the magical element for children. For adults, it can show what a child might see and feel in such harsh and traumatic situations. And for children, it's a tale of resilience and magic. Also, Tinker Bell starts dying when Jane says she doesn't believe because in the Broadway show (and I believe the original book), it's stated that fairies themselves are dying out, because when children don't believe, none can be born, and when one says they don't believe, a fairy dies. And now I reallllllllly want to cosplay Jane okay well anyway loved watching this!
In Jane's defense, given that she's dealing with WW2, her father is away, and her home is literally being bombed left and right, its kinda understandable why she's frustrated and doesn't have time for fairy tales. Its like Mr Darling from the first film if he actually had a reason to stand no childish nonsense. The way I look at Jane, she's not angry at any sight of silliness, as she deep down wishes life was easier and probably just wants to go back to being a kid, but unfortunately WW2's like "I'm about to end this kids whole career!".
The fact that people used to ship Wendy and Peter, and then gave us a “romance” with Wendy’s child, is honestly kinda disturbing. Am I the only one who thinks this?
Idk. I didnt really think that Peter loved Jane the same way he loved Wendy. It felt more like Peter was there for Jane because she was Wendy's daughter. I do feel like Peter loved Wendy, and when Wendy was a child that was fine. But when she is an adult that clearly wouldn't be okay. However, I felt like their short reunion was perfect. It felt like they both looked at their past feelings with fondness, and moved past it with grace. The moment at the end of this film felt like perfect closure for the two characters that once loved each other. Now they simply have a unique relationship that the world simply has no name for.
Sorry to say, but I have to disagree with you saying the original Peter Pan film is only meant for kids. Yeah, it does has it's cartoony and childish moments, but I personally think it still holds up pretty well as an adult. Also, there are some moments that are pretty dark when compared to other films like this. Not a whole lot, but what always comes to my mind are the moments when Mr. Smee and one of the pirates mentioning wanting to slit throats.
Hook killing two of his crewmates. One by shooting, and one by drowning (I think) Hook drowning Tiger Lily The whole atmospheric setting of the skull rock before we see Hook, Mr Smee and Tiger-lily. The mermaids trying to drown Wendy Tinkerbell trying to kill off Wendy Hook reminding the kids he sent a bomb to Peter pan, the whole sequence of Peter and Tinkerbell with the bomb and the Hideout blowing up and post blow up Now that I'm trying to remember stuff off the top of my head there are quite a lot of moments or sequences that have tension or sense of horror to it
As an adult going to watch Peter Pan for the first time I have to respectfully disagree, I got through about 40mins and I just couldn't anymore because all of it was very "kiddy". It may be the nostalgia factor for a lot of people but because I don't have that I really can't be bothered finishing it.
Yes I agree that petter Pan, although meant for kids, doesn’t need to be strictly for kids but it still does’t hold up in modern day, not because the animation is bad or story isn’t great but that scene with the native Americans was REALLY bad
@@kirstenzerbinis2973 That's why I'm happy that I'm European (this is not an America-bash, I swear) because even though I understand the cultural background and know how racist these scenes are towards indians, I don't get a bad feeling about it, because there simply are no native americans in Europe
On the original: I think that the original is good for kids, but has value for adults, too. Its a fun romp most of the way through (I mean, Tom and Jerry is just nothing but slapstick and plenty of adults enjoy it too) but the message is where it really shines. Wendy doesn't want to grow up, and Neverland is supposed to be her escape from that. But the reality of it is, we DO have to grow up, eventually. Not that keeping the child-like wonder is bad, and at the very end it even says that when the dad acknowledges Captain Hook's ship. Wendy (and her brothers) choose to go back home and grow up, but still retain some element of childish whimsy that they bring back to their father. And if that isn't the most Disney message, I don't know what is. Also interesting that the sequel kind of takes the opposite message: don't grow up too fast. Jane feels like she needs to be more adult-like because of her environment (ya know, the war and such) but retaining that child-like sense of wonder is what helps you through dark moments like this. But yeah, the Indians just straight up aged terribly.
And unironically, along with Lion King: Simba's Pride, Return to Neverland and Return to the Sea are my favorite Disney sequels. And really high on my favorite Disney Movies list. Also, Return to the Sea is the opposite of The Little Mermaid. Ariel desires to be human and to live on land while Melody desires to be a mermaid and live in the ocean. For the record, I preferred Melody to Ariel because I could identify with desperately wishing to leave my shitty life as a human.
Omg that was literally one of my favourite shows as a kid. I used to love watching Jake and the neverland pirates and so many other Disney junior shows like Handy Manny and Sofia The First.
I wonder what will be number 1. My favorites would have to be: MCU, Star Wars, LOTR, Indiana Jones, Harry Potter, HTTYD, Kung Fu Panda, Planet of the Apes reboot trilogy and BTTF
When I was in kindergarten we (the girls) actually thought that every time you say "I don't believe in fairies" a fairy die. And all the boys said that on purpes while we cried and screamed at them to stop.
Me, someone who grew up with the tinker bell movies: N O S T O L G I A Honestly i would love to see seamus review them, I really want that nostolgia blast and see if it holds up as well as i remember.
I love Peter Pan 2 :) it was very well done!!! Jane felt she needed to be strong for her mother and brother after her father left to go to war. That's why she was that way.
I love Peter Pan 2 it’s my second favourite sequel. Honestly it makes sense that Jane doesn’t believe in Peter and gets angry. She had to grow up in War time so she had to put childish things aside. Also... Edward was most likely one of the soldiers ferried back across the English Channel during the Evacuation of Dunkirk.
Seamus hardly able to restrain himself: DISNEY SEQUAL FAKE OUT DEATH In a similar vein: Tinker bell: *dies* Seamus YESSS! THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT TWICE! DISNEY👏SEQUAL👏FAKEOUT👏DEATH👏2👏
It was a great movie except for the rage I feel over the fact that they completely ignore the fact that winter fairies were allowed in the warm weather and Tink, Clank, and Bobble also seen in the winter woods.
@@wholefoods_parmesan they can but if a winter fairies wings are to hot they break we see it with Lord Malory and there is no known cure and if normal fairies wings get to cold the break we see this with tinker bell herself but because her sister and her were born from the same laugh they were the only fairies with the same wings cause fairy Wing are all unique and when tink and her sister put their wings next to each other they glowed and fixed thinks wing
@@user-jp6zl5yd1h yeah, but at the beginning of secret of the wings, warm weather fairies aren't allowed in the winter woods, and they're only allowed at the end of the movie because that's when they discover that they can keep the warm weather fairies' wings warm with the frost talent, which isn't a thing in the first movie yet
Honestly, Jane shows the very specific feelings of being the oldest daughter, it’s a unique experience of having to be a pseudo parent when you’re just a kid.
So from what I understand, the reason why Jane lashes out is because she promised to protect her family, and with her father away at war and her soon leaving her mother, she feels like her world is about to crumble around her. She wants to act as the adult in this situation, but she ends up taking her role as a protector of the family to far, leading her to lash out at her brother. At that point she breaks down, because she lost her faith and trust when her father went to war, and now has to find it again in Neverland.
Welcome back to the best series on RUclips Can do some of the Winnie the Pooh sequels there is a lot and they are the only Disney sequels from my childhood
I think that there are three things that are needed to fly, one is never said because it should be a given: a child-like heart! If you are a child then you already have the child-like heart at some level. That leaves two things: happy thoughts and pixie dust. Jane was Wendy's daughter so Peter and the lost boys probably figured that she already knew to think of happy thoughts in order to fly. She was a child, yes, but she was more focused on adult matters because of what was going on around her. So, when she was blasted with pixie dust, the only element she was given the other two factors were not there. Jane was thinking more like an adult and was not thinking of happy thoughts. Once she embraces a child-like heart and start thinking happy thoughts, she is able to fly once she is sprinkled with pixie dust. When Peter and Tinkerbell meets Wendy later in the movie, it is clear that Wendy holds tightly to her happy thoughts. Telling stories of Peter Pan has already proven that she holds to a child-like heart to some degree. Therefore, she is still able to fly when Tink sprinkles pixie dust on her. As for the pirates and Jane finding the treasure, they followed her and only wanted her to blow the whistle once everyone was present so Captain Hook could capture everyone!
@@joeyjerry1586 yeah true, but often kids themselves will enjoy it more if it has a good plot that could also be enjoyed when the get older too and not just a cheesy kids sing along but yeah you are right there there's definitely a place for "just kids" movies and TV shows
It would be interesting to see his reaction to some of the less known Disney movies, mainly for the movie Dinosaur that I feel like nobody cares about but was a big part of my childhood
He just needs to go through all 50-something Walt Disney Animation Studios films. Because after the Peter Pan hot take I just want to see him react to Fun and Fancy Free and the like.
This movie makes me cry my eyes out every time. My dad was deployed overseas when I was a little girl, and he said almost the exact same thing to me as Jane’s father says to her. I had to be strong for my mom and sister. I see so much of myself as a child in Jane.
I never liked that how they put in that idea considering things. I know they needed a little bit of extra drama to trigger a change, but still there are plenty of things that exist whether you believe in them or not, though belief still still a necessary fuel in life.
The way it works is that every time someone says that they don't believe in fairies, one dies. Also, Tinkerbell shouldn't have been able to dive into the water, because according to the Tales from Pixie Hollow books (that are actually canon) water makes fairy wings grow heavier, which makes it impossible for fairies to swim without drowning. Also, the dad was probably home on leave at the end.
Oh a pirate's life is a wonderful life, a-rovin' over the sea. Give me a career as a buccaneer, it's the life of a pirate for me. Oh the life of a pirate for me!
I went to the cinema to watch this film, and I did really enjoy it when it came out. But I haven't watched it in literally years. I think that Jane's problem was that she was asked to look after the family by her dad so she literally grew up too quick, which is why they used her as a juxtaposition to the lost boys. They remain kids forever, whereas she's more like an adult trapped in a kid's body. The scene where Wendy is reunited with Peter is something that will always make me tear up. It was so bittersweet and painful, but also gave a warm fuzzy feeling.
Tinkerbell and the Pirate Fairy will always have a special place in my heart. Just the music, the animation and everything I just really really love it, even now it’s still one of my favourite movies
This movie meant so much to me when I was a kid. I remember watching this movie before watching Peter Pan 1 so I was super confused but I still love this movie.
Tbh, I disagree with some of your comments about Jane. As someone who’s an older sibling who’s been through some rough stuff (though, I wouldn’t say something like WW2), it’s hard to be positive when things are... grim. I empathized with her because she was forced to grow up quickly (and keeping in mind she’s quite young) and lashing out can happen. Yeah, it really sucks that she did it, but it makes sense. She’s so irritated at Peter Pan because Peter Pan seems like such a childish story... And when you’re a kid who’s growing up during a war or any difficult situation, you unfortunately can’t “just be a kid.” That shit’s gonna cause trauma. This film has quite a special place in my heart, especially with that scene of Wendy and Peter at the end too? Yeah. Good video btw!!! It ain’t a perfect movie, that’s for sure, but I think you missed the mark on the point of this movie- which is the fact that it’s about a kid reclaiming their childhood despite everything that’s has happened/will happen- finding the time to be “childish” in a rough time. Still, I give it a 6.5/10. I wouldn’t rewatch it, but it does have meaning to me.
That sad song that plays while Jane mopes around completely screams "early 2000s". Made me look up "Murder on the Dancefloor", that's how early 2000s it is.
i actually adore this sequel! the animation is fresh, the plot is fun, jane's character is easy to dislike but she's grown one me and i think shes badass for her age, her relationship with peter and the others is entertaining, etc. plus, the wendy cameo gave a big nice throwback. this movie was sweet and i agree that it's the strongest out if the two!
What happened to John and Michael: John joined the Royal Air Force and was sent to Kai Tak Field in Hong Kong. He was taken as a POW when the Japanese invaded and seized Hong Kong. John would spend the rest of the war as a POW in Japan and witness the A-Bomb being dropped. Michael joined the Royal Navy and was assigned to HMS Hood. He died when the Hood was destroyed in battle with the Bismarck. PS: Neverland is in the Pacific.
I grew up with this movie, actually thinking for yeeears that THIS is the og Peter Pan 😂😅 Cause the story’s so similar... Btw, I agree. Now having seen both, I think the sequel is so much better. (And that’s not just nostalgia speaking)
This movie is un-ironically one of my favourites of all time. I rewatched it last week. And the American pop song is incredibly emotional, if a bit odd in this movie.
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Seamus beating himself up about his 99% is such a mood
He’s that one kid in high school that says “99/100 is so bad, my parents are going to kill me” and then proceeds to say to the 33/100 student, “omg that’s so good, you should be so proud of yourself!”
@Ella Bendsneyder-Koven *not Hufflepuff they are just mentally challenged (jk I swear)
@@piperlee4213 okay that’s me with my friends though 😂
Im so glad that "it's no Cinderella 3" is a sentence being uttered in 2020
It took 13 years, but that movie is finally getting the love it deserves.
My happiness is directly correlated to the amount of people who have seen and loved Cinderella 3
Agreed. For years people mocked me for liking it and refused to even give it a chance. 🤣😤
THIS COMMENT NEEDS MORE LIKES. Thank goodness. Someone said it.
@@camillechandler4431 okay so-
I watched Cinderella 2 and 3 before watching the origional-
I...think you missed the main point of the movie.
Jane doesn't believe in Peter Pan, can't fly, gets mad when kids are being kids and so on because she grew in the middle of a war. The movie is about her rediscovering her lost childhood.
she lowkey depressed when u think about it lol
@@mattygreen6233 yep
the movie didnt portray that well in the slightest lol
@@mattygreen6233Peter Pan 2 was the Best Sequel and Jane was a Great Hero and she never gave up. She learned that with Great Perseverance came Great Responsibility.
@@unclekarl5219how so?
Jane doesn’t like Peter Pan because she feels she needs to be mature during the war, and thus has no time for such childish things.
That’s also why she cries in that scene in her room. She wants to be a kid but she knows she can’t
Finally someone from the culture! (BTW, Return to Neverland is an underrated gem to me)
Yep :)
Also due to trauma
Exactly it was so sad.
Jane can’t fly because her character arc is the reverse of Wendy’s in the original. Wendy learned to accept that growing up was inevitable while Jane had to learn to embrace her inner child since she suppressed it growing up during wartime. This mindset wasn’t receptive to the faith, trust and pixie dust combo that flying required. It’s only when she does take on the right mindset that she can fly. The Peter Pan stories and what they represent are antithetical to what Jane saw as the necessities to survival during World War II and the Blitz, and when Wendy asks her to champion these stories for her younger brother Jane doesn’t think this is a priority.
As for the wonderful thought requirement, Jane isn’t in a whimsical mood. She’s trekked through bombed out streets during an air raid and had survival as her number one focus. Her father has asked her to look after her mother and brother for him while he’s gone. She also faces being separated from her mother and sent somewhere she doesn’t know. That’s pretty hard to get from when your destination is think happy thoughts.
Damn that's a lot for a child to go through
@@lilysoto5120 It's even sadder when you remember this kind of thing happened to kids in real life.
Not to mention the minor thought of her dad maybe not being alive anymore.
Dreams and Fairytales just don't belong to the world Jane lives in. That's why she gets so pissed of at her mother
Personally I think he missed this entire point which was what the whole story has based on.
For all of this I think this movie is just one of the example that Disney sequels can be not just good, but almost a necesary addition to these stories. Not just following with the premise of the first movie but expanding on it to contrast it on different circumstances that totally make sense is EXACTLY the kind of thing a true sequel should do. We got the first one to be all about the whimsical side of childhood and fantasy and then this one has to remind you that the world still exist out there and it sucks, and how hard try to be a child on it can be. Narnia chronicals also did the same thing, although less with it as a focus and more like a side thing you are not really supposed to think too hard about it.
I think that Jane couldn’t fly, not because she couldn’t think of a wonderful thought, but because she didn’t have faith or trust. She doesn’t really believe if human flight so she doesn’t have faith in it nor does she trust what Peter says to her. Plus the fact that she grew up in WWII would give a child like Jane little faith or trust to begin with.
I agree, I always knew that is the reason she couldnt fly, its so obvious, yet he didnt see it. Also isnt it weird that while all the other kids are scared and confused about the whole war thing as they dont really know whats going on, Jane is so aware and knows whats happening, like how.
@@phtuber5469 I guess she's just smarter or grew up quicker which I mean is the theme for her in this movie. Plus she's 12 I doubt it would be hard for her to find out if she wanted to and she did
@@citruschxco Yeah, you're right, I guess its not so unbelievable as it initially seemed too me. The thing is it really surprises you how mature she is for her age when you watch it as an adult yourself, im just saying.
@@phtuber5469 Yeah no worries I completely understand that :)
She’d probably have some fear or trepidation with flight since flying bombers have ravaged the city she lives in. It’s only once she embraces the spirit of being a Lost Girl she’s able to achieve flight.
My interpretation was that Jane was unable to fly cause she didn’t really believe in magic and fairy dust and all that, since her whole arc is bonding with the lost boys and rediscovering the childhood wonder she lost because of the war. And towards the end of the movie when Tinker Bell comes back to life it shows that Jane now genuinely believe in fairies/magic and is willing to embrace it. That’s why she can fly later when they rescue Peter together.
Yeah, I remember that. I don’t know why he didn’t have that knowledge. Maybe he missed it or something?
Yeah, I think the movie made it obvious, but maybe im wrong idk.
Yeah, she had an in-story reason for not being able to fly, not just because the plot wanted her to stay on Neverland for longer. It's made clear right when Jane blows up on her brother and Wendy scolds her: "You think you're very grown up, but you have a great deal to learn." This along with how Jane acts and talks suggests that the war caused if not forced Jane to take on adult problems because she was just old enough to comprehend them, and with that accelerated mental maturity she lost a lot of her childlike innocence and imagination that would have enabled her to believe in magic and fun (what Peter Pan preserves in children), and thus fly. The promise she made to her dad to take care of the family while he was gone wouldn't have helped because it also put an additional sense of responsibility on her. Jane's arc throughout the story was to reconnect with the child that she still is and learn the importance of protecting wonder and dreams in one's self and others, especially in times of disaster (where they act as hope).
Yea I thought that was the most obvious part of the movie - can't believe he missed it
@@PurpleLugia This is really in depth for a kids’ film.
I highly empathized with jane when I watched the movie as a kid. Being the oldest sibling, especially during tough times, can weigh heavily on you. Your childhood is already shortened by the expectation that you will help raise your siblings. Jane didn't want her brother to build up high hopes for a fantasy and be disappointed by reality like she was.
And then when you accidentally turn into a third parent, you parents get all upset even though you are just trying to carry out responsibility and not at all trying to take their place.
I empathize with Jane, her little brother, and Wendy. It's not about Jane not growing up. She needs a hopefulness. She needs to know that it's not all nonsense to believe that there is still a tiny bit good and beauty in the world.
Peterpan 2 is fan service so is better call saul
Same. I’m the oldest in a military family and my dad was deployed to the Middle East when I was just 8 years old. This movie makes me cry every time because I was Jane for a period of my life. I had to grow up fast and be strong for my family.
i watched this in arabic version ; also i kind of recommend you to watch @artisticaloubell because she did a good essay on this vidoe
The movie doesn't have to literally tell you why Jane is the way she is. It shows you by putting her in London's situation. The war is affecting her to the point that she doesn't think well about fairy tales and Peter Pan. As for her skills, the war makes her think about survival. It could've made her study all survival methods.
Also I wouldn't call Tinkerbell's death a fake death. More like a resurrection.
Also, she's about to be sent out into the countryside, so she could've studied up on wilderness survival techniques just in case.
Tinkerbell's death could be considered a fakeout because the movie was trying to make us wonder if she would STAY dead
RIGHT? I'm really surprised at seamus for this video, as I'm pretty sure he once said that you don't have to spoon feed the viewers everything that's happening. Which is right.
It's pretty freaking obvious to see why Jane is the way she is. A traumatized child living in a war and having to deal with a parent going off into the war. That would also explain why she wouldn't really have many happy memories either (even though peter apparently didn't tell her she had to think happy thoughts to fly).
I personally liked this movie as a kid, better than the old one. Not that I hate it, but it was a bit boring and it also had blatant racism.
thwt element with tinkerbell dying was actually basednon the book, on the last chapter, tinker bell died for good
@@magicwandstudio3141 She survives in the book too, and the play. In the book, Peter calls out to all the children to help in their dreams (it's been a while, but that's how I remember it) and in the play it's the audience clapping "she's says she thinks that she could get well again if children believe in fairies". And then "say quick if you believe, if you believe in fairies clap your hands" and then she's all revived and they fly off to "rescue Wendy"
Tbh it makes sense that we feel bad for Jane after she tells at her brother. She's a child growing up in the middle of world War two... she knew a world that was more peaceful and now she's running through bomb raids. She had to grow up early and she's struggling with the unfairness of it. Regaining her childhood is kinda the point of her arc-
I don't know who I feel worse for. Wendy, Jane, or her brother.
@@nathenewendzel884 Why not all three?
I also think she’s not really complaining about peter pan in that moment; or at least thats not the whole story. She doesn’t want to leave her mother now that her father’s off at war, and wants to be the one to protect both of them. She doesn’t think she needs protecting by her mother sending her off with her brother, which to her signifies she’s too immature to stay and that she’s still a child. Which is why she gets upset when her mother starts telling her to tell Daniel about peter pan, all the talk of what Jane thinks is “demoting” her to a child’s world and loses it. She wants to stay because her dad told her to take care of her family, and looking into it that way she’s upset that the war tore apart her family and here her mother is telling her that it will be better if she tells peter pan stories (obviously not what wendy’s saying but thats what I think Jane’s seeing it as, in a half mature/immature way)
Sorry if this is long I get really hyped about peter pan 😂
I really like that they “killed” Tinker Bell because it was in the original book and Peter broke the fourth wall telling the readers to clap their hands to show they believe in fairy’s and she comes back to life.
And then she dies off-screen, and Peter doesn’t even remember her.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 Yeah, I know; it's kinda assumed that she just died because fairies don't live long... but I thought people didn't age in Neverland?????
Yeah, this happened in the play, too. Apparently if not enough people believe in fairies, they just straight up bite it. I think this is addressed in the Tinkerbell spin-offs too, but I don't remember.
They do that in the musical based on the book too :)
@@abiwonkenabi7027 It’s addressed in the books, but not the movies. Actually, fun fact: the ORIGINAL version of the first movie was specifically about the Ring of Belief. But y’know. It got scrapped.
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Bro this is GOLD
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I was going to comment that
MPH YEESSS
It wouldn't be an a emotional scene without being interrupted by an american pop song
Lol😂😅
Probably, should’ve went with Blues
@@NowegotbadbloodBlue from Heathers. That way, this emotional scene could be interrupted by two jocks talking about how a girl gives them blue balls.
@@jeaddhist
*Beautiful* idea
@@salem8228 I vote for that or Dead Girl Walking. The two most awkward songs from Heathers. It will certainly *shine a light* on my day.
You know there was actually a deleted version of Jane's sad scene where instead of the pop song we get to see Wendy holding Daniel and singing "The second star to the right" from the first movie.
Should've kept it in and torn out our hearts completely
what do u mean deleted version, that's the version i saw as a kid
@@toovsterbroom3743 look up the deleted scenes for this movie and you'll see what I mean
@@toovsterbroom3743 i remember that being what i saw too!! i had the vhs
The little mermaid II is nothing like Return to Neverland Honestly. Return to Neverland in my opinion, is pretty great
I agree with this opinion
Agreed!
IMO being stuck in a war 🪖 and trying to get through it's mental trauma is lot more relatable than wanting to be a fish 🐠.
in jane's defense about snapping so easily she IS a child going through the trauma of war and that's gotta mess up your emotions in all kinda ways
And she’s got a promise to keep to her father to look after Wendy and Michael. When they’re in war torn London that’s a big worry, not to mention Jane must think there’s a ticking clock element with Michael being sent out to the country. If time did pass at the same rate imagine Wendy finding Jane gone. Search parties aren’t really an option and the authorities might chalk it up to a kid not wanting to leave the city.
Listen, Tinkerbell: Secret of the Wings is a cinematic masterpiece
THANK YOU!! Someone finally agrees with me!
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Agreed!!
It is just SO beautiful!
The tinker bell spinoffs are top tier and nobody can tell me anything, the fact that they made so many only illustrates how fire they all were, and they never let me down! I was talking to trees expecting fairies to reply until i was 10, TEN!!! all thanks to the cinematic masterpiece that is tinker bell
Same thoooo those movies were amazing
Yeah, the tinker bell movies are really good and have some really great animation as well. Also Katara voices Tinkerbell apparently.
Saame! These movies are 100% masterpieces, I still love them and am going to show my niece the movies, as soon as she's a bit older (I want her to remember these masterpieces).
@@littletravelblog7589 I tried to introduce them to my little sister but it didn't work lol
Love the Disney Fairies movies! 😍 Mae Whitman was great; she plays Heather in the How to Train Your Dragon series, thus confirming my headcanon that Tinkerbell can sing. 🥰
The theme of being a child at heart is big in this movie. The idea that Jane had to grow up and take on a more adult roll because of the war is what causes her to not be able to fly. It's the problem that needs solving as you can clearly see Wendy being worried about her at the start of the movie because of this. Going to never land and rediscovering being a kid is her journey, while Wendy's was more learning what responsibilities is. Remember she became "Mother" for all the lost boys while she was there. They both get the lessons they need at the time. Still Wendy has also managed to retain that inner child as an adult, also because of her trip to Neverland. That's why she can fly at the end of this movie.
Fun fact: In the original book, when Wendy meets up with Peter again just a year later, he doesn't even remember Tinkerbell because they live such short lives she died immediately after Wendy left and Peter just couldn't be bothered to remember.
Pretty sure he eventually forgot about Wendy , the Lost Boys and Hook too. Pretty sure it was stated he couldn't Remember people for long.
There's also a disturbing offhand comment made about Peter "thinning out" the Lost Boys when they begin to age... sounding like he kills them off when they get too old to be his playmates.
@@Nightman221k yeah people are so morbid - like quit trying to be so dramatic-🙄
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@@simonacannizzo5141 it's canon tho
Fun fact about that scene you liked between Peter and Wendy. It's partially based on the ending of the original story, where Peter returns to the house to pick up Wendy for another adventure, something they had done sporadically throughout her childhood, except it turns out that he'd been awol for too long and Wendy has grown up and had a child of her own, who's name was in fact Jane, and therefore too old to go to Neverland. At first he has a hard time coming to terms with this, but then when his tantrum wakes up Jane, his little goldfish mind instantly takes her on as an adventure buddy, and this continues being tradition for all of Wendy's consecutive female descendants ever after. The conversation in the movie was a lot more chill, but this scenario was also slightly adapted for the Movie Hook. Thought you might find this interesting.
It is really sad though. Being forever a kid and thus sort of having that clingy attachment to people, and especially with them leaving pretty steadily ... you feel bad for Peter a bit huh
@@NicholeParker Yeah, it's a pretty melancholy concept. No wonder he's typically the representation of children that have died or adults that never properly grew up.
Hook was a fantastic film one of my favorites especially Robin Williams in it.
@@NicholeParker well at least in the book, he is shown to have a very poor memory (that's why he forgot to visit Wendy, he even forgot who Hook is), so I guess somehow, he is not sad about not seeing these people anymore. Though it is still sad to think that he kept forgetting them.
Cool
Jane: does not believe in fairies
Tinkerbell: guess I'll die
That's literally how you kill a fairy
that happened in the book. thats why they put it in the movie
There’s literally people all over the world that don’t believe in fairies though.
@@austinjohnsen4430 you have to say it to them if you tell a fairy you don't believe in fairies or there's no such thing as faires they die
@@mjslack3073 Is that how it works in actual fairy mythology, or something?
Wendy is a brown-haired white woman in a blue dress.
Conspiracy: *Wendy is actually Belle’s great-great-great-great granddaughter.*
In case anyone thinks I’m being serious, it’s a joke, I swear😂
Edit: Jesus Christ, it’s been a day, how did this get so many likes😂
Kinda makes sense on her family being more magic believers.
So eye opening I didn’t know belle had kids
@@roguebricks1691 Well BeLlE iS tHe MoThEr Of JaNe FrOm TaRzAn DeSpItE bElLe BeInG fReNcH aNd JaNe BeInG eNgLIsH
I don’t know, I would think that Belle’s daughter would be more hairier.
@@professorp1 omg 😂
Glad I’m not the only one who cringed at the name “Nana 2” 😂😂😂
tbh, unlike Melody from the little mermaid sequel, Jane is a canon chaacter in the original peter pan play and book. so she wasnt exctly pulled from out of no where. esp cuz in the book pan takes her to neverland XD
The characters assuming that Jane is Wendy is also a really nice nod to the original Peter Pan story, I think. From my understanding, it ends with Peter coming back to find Wendy, but, doesn't realize she's grown up and just assumes that her daughter is her and takes HER to Neverland. I think this even happened a third time with her granddaughter.
Well I think there's this 1991 live action movie called Hook where Peter Pan was literally all grown and he has gotten Married to Wendy's Granddaughter and has had 2 kids with her
Time worked the same for him but he doesn't grow up and he was too young to fully grasp the concept. Basically he made a deal with Wendy and her mother that he would take Wendy back to Neverland every summer. He did that once or twice then missed a year and when he came back, he didn't even realised that he missed a year. Then he just forgot entirely and Wendy kinda grew up and just thought Peter would continue to forget when he just burst into the nursery again. Iirc, he wanted to kill Jane when he realised that she's Wendy's daughter (product of her growing up) but instead he broke down and we had a repeat of Wendy's first interaction with Peter through Jane.
@@Awntry Okay. Cool
yeah. i also read the book a while ago. disney basicly took the idea from the original book for the second movie
Awntry in the book it also says Peter is like abnormally forgetful 😳
Imagine if Seamus reacted to this in theaters lol
Everyone: crying because Tinkerbell died
Seamus: YES!!!!!
Edit: Hi Seamus! You are the coolest! Thanks for liking my comment I'm up late doing homework and you just made my day!
Lmao😂
This comment cracked me up so hard! XD
Just a bit of advice I learned (even though you probably know it now) when a creator likes your comment you shouldn’t edit it to give thanks because it erases their like so send a reply instead👍
@@Six3r721 haha yeah just figured that out🤦♀️
He didn’t even like it
Seamus: You might've noticed I'm not my bubbly self today
Me: Umm Seamus you didn't even give me a second to look and hear u
True 🤣🤣
Honestly, unironically, it was one of my favorite movies growing up. I always chose it over the original, and I liked how Peter Pan seemed to be more than just fun and games when Tinkerbell is dying and he is actually really worried about her. Also, the scene with Peter and Wendy at the end is just great.
When the Disney sequel is better than the original - and it’s not even considered cannon.
👁👄👁
Just like Tangled the Series
The dude just gave a bad take. It’s no way better than the original.
@@bluecorp8557 yes it is you’re just triggered with nostalgia
@@RealogOnlyBrodie “triggered with nostalgia” no lol. The first one has charm because it didn’t try too hard to pander to very young children but instead to everyone. Wendy didn’t annoy me as much as Jane. I thought the crocodile was a better antagonist to Hook than the octopus. It doesn’t even make sense considering the crocodile is the one after Hook after eating his hand. The songs in the sequel are forgettable and not as iconic as the first. And the first movie has more locations. There was the Indian camp, mermaid lagoon, and skull rock which were all missing in the sequel.
@@bluecorp8557 yeah and not to mention the racist song and depictions of native Americans
This movie will personally always have a special place in my heart. I used to adore it as a child. Last night I watched it for the first time in eight years and completely lost it, bawling my eyes out because I feel like Jane did. I used to be someone who believed anything could happen. My entire world revolved around fairytales and pretending, and watching that movie yesterday really made me realize how much of that part of me I've lost. I feel like I haven't been a child for five years, even though I'm in my mid teens. I feel like I spent so much time that others my age spent playing, on things like looking after my brother, and working to get money from the very second I could. I used to believe in faith, trust, and pixie dust, but now I find myself losing that part of me, my childhood, and I try to hold on to it, but it always slips through my fingers again.
Literally this for me as well
Same!
There are 3 things you need to fly: faith, trust and pixie dust. I can easily argue that Jane lacked 2 of those things thus why she can't fly for the majority of the movie
"Nana 2" I- that's the most creative name I've ever heard!
The little mermaid: Ariel wants to leave the ocean
Return to the sea: Melody wants to go to the ocean
Peter Pan: Wendy doesn't want to grow up
Return to Neverland: Jane wants to grow up
i dont think she wants to grow up as much as she have been forced to grow up, due to the war going on around her
@@liljemari Yep
It’s explianed in most Peter Pan versions that if a child says I don’t believe in fairies a fairy somewhere falls down dead.
Fun fact: Return to Neverland was the first movie I ever saw in theaters. I was 4 years old. I distinctly remember looking at the poster outside the theater.
Tanner P. So cool! This wasn’t the first movie I saw in theaters but I have a distinct memory of going to see it because my dad ended up breaking his leg after we got home from the theater that night. I was eight. I blamed Captain Hook for it.
this was my first movie in theaters too!! I distinctly remember the end credits with “Do You Believe in Magic” and how I’d annoy my parents with it alllll the time.
this movie was unironically my whole childhood, so hearing the background research hurt me a little
Same😔 I watched this movie like every day when I was 8
I don't care what the research says, the movie is canon in my heart.
I watched this movie way more than the first. I love this movie
Ngl, I didn't know it was a sequel.
I only watched this as a kid.
Same! I loved it so much! I even watched it the other day because I found my DVD when clearing out
I'm genuinely excited for you to cover the Tinker Bell movies, I genuinely love them and rewatched them on Disney+ a few weeks ago.
Wait did I just use 'genuinely' twice, what is wrong with me?
me too i watched those movies over and over again when i was younger
I also still rewatch them occasionally! I'd absolutely love to see his opinions on them!
Return to Neverland is one of the best Disney sequels though, and I will die on that hill.
It has a perfect blend, as you said, of this darkness to it that speaks to adults, but also has the magical element for children. For adults, it can show what a child might see and feel in such harsh and traumatic situations. And for children, it's a tale of resilience and magic.
Also, Tinker Bell starts dying when Jane says she doesn't believe because in the Broadway show (and I believe the original book), it's stated that fairies themselves are dying out, because when children don't believe, none can be born, and when one says they don't believe, a fairy dies.
And now I reallllllllly want to cosplay Jane okay well anyway loved watching this!
In Jane's defense, given that she's dealing with WW2, her father is away, and her home is literally being bombed left and right, its kinda understandable why she's frustrated and doesn't have time for fairy tales. Its like Mr Darling from the first film if he actually had a reason to stand no childish nonsense. The way I look at Jane, she's not angry at any sight of silliness, as she deep down wishes life was easier and probably just wants to go back to being a kid, but unfortunately WW2's like "I'm about to end this kids whole career!".
The fact that people used to ship Wendy and Peter, and then gave us a “romance” with Wendy’s child, is honestly kinda disturbing. Am I the only one who thinks this?
i thought the same thing
Ew. Now I see why this is not Cannon.
Agreed. It is very disturbing.
I was always so disturbed by it
Idk. I didnt really think that Peter loved Jane the same way he loved Wendy. It felt more like Peter was there for Jane because she was Wendy's daughter. I do feel like Peter loved Wendy, and when Wendy was a child that was fine. But when she is an adult that clearly wouldn't be okay. However, I felt like their short reunion was perfect. It felt like they both looked at their past feelings with fondness, and moved past it with grace. The moment at the end of this film felt like perfect closure for the two characters that once loved each other. Now they simply have a unique relationship that the world simply has no name for.
Wait- at the beginning you said screw the 45% and you gave it a 4.5/10. Hmmmmm...
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
Sorry to say, but I have to disagree with you saying the original Peter Pan film is only meant for kids. Yeah, it does has it's cartoony and childish moments, but I personally think it still holds up pretty well as an adult. Also, there are some moments that are pretty dark when compared to other films like this. Not a whole lot, but what always comes to my mind are the moments when Mr. Smee and one of the pirates mentioning wanting to slit throats.
Hook killing two of his crewmates. One by shooting, and one by drowning (I think)
Hook drowning Tiger Lily
The whole atmospheric setting of the skull rock before we see Hook, Mr Smee and Tiger-lily.
The mermaids trying to drown Wendy
Tinkerbell trying to kill off Wendy
Hook reminding the kids he sent a bomb to Peter pan, the whole sequence of Peter and Tinkerbell with the bomb and the Hideout blowing up and post blow up
Now that I'm trying to remember stuff off the top of my head there are quite a lot of moments or sequences that have tension or sense of horror to it
As an adult going to watch Peter Pan for the first time I have to respectfully disagree, I got through about 40mins and I just couldn't anymore because all of it was very "kiddy". It may be the nostalgia factor for a lot of people but because I don't have that I really can't be bothered finishing it.
Hi 👋
Yes I agree that petter Pan, although meant for kids, doesn’t need to be strictly for kids but it still does’t hold up in modern day, not because the animation is bad or story isn’t great but that scene with the native Americans was REALLY bad
@@kirstenzerbinis2973 That's why I'm happy that I'm European (this is not an America-bash, I swear) because even though I understand the cultural background and know how racist these scenes are towards indians, I don't get a bad feeling about it, because there simply are no native americans in Europe
On the original: I think that the original is good for kids, but has value for adults, too. Its a fun romp most of the way through (I mean, Tom and Jerry is just nothing but slapstick and plenty of adults enjoy it too) but the message is where it really shines. Wendy doesn't want to grow up, and Neverland is supposed to be her escape from that. But the reality of it is, we DO have to grow up, eventually. Not that keeping the child-like wonder is bad, and at the very end it even says that when the dad acknowledges Captain Hook's ship. Wendy (and her brothers) choose to go back home and grow up, but still retain some element of childish whimsy that they bring back to their father. And if that isn't the most Disney message, I don't know what is.
Also interesting that the sequel kind of takes the opposite message: don't grow up too fast. Jane feels like she needs to be more adult-like because of her environment (ya know, the war and such) but retaining that child-like sense of wonder is what helps you through dark moments like this.
But yeah, the Indians just straight up aged terribly.
Well said
The Indians was already in bad taste when it came out, people are just a lot more vocal about things like this now
Agree with everything in your comment except the last sentence about the the Indians I have no problem with them even to this day.
@@morrigankasa570 yeah if I was a English kid in the 1810s I doubt I would have dreams with realistic indigenous people
And unironically, along with Lion King: Simba's Pride, Return to Neverland and Return to the Sea are my favorite Disney sequels. And really high on my favorite Disney Movies list. Also, Return to the Sea is the opposite of The Little Mermaid. Ariel desires to be human and to live on land while Melody desires to be a mermaid and live in the ocean. For the record, I preferred Melody to Ariel because I could identify with desperately wishing to leave my shitty life as a human.
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Seamus: "I want to keep my like to dislike ratio high."
Also Seamus: "Peter Pan sucks!"
do you know that there's a disney junior show called jake and the neverland pirates.
Lol yes and I'm like 14 already
oh man i remember that. was talking about it yesterday
Omg my little brother and I watched that all the time as kids, I’m now in high school and my little brothers in junior high, jeez time flies
I uses to watch that way too many times when I was 7.
Omg that was literally one of my favourite shows as a kid. I used to love watching Jake and the neverland pirates and so many other Disney junior shows like Handy Manny and Sofia The First.
Hey, Seamus, have you ever done a video on your top 10 favourite franchises and why? I'd be keen to see that. 🙂
The only thing that would be on that list would be toy story ten times
@@weasels6327 Lol, I'll wait for confirmation from the source on that one.😄
Or maybe a teir list
I wonder what will be number 1. My favorites would have to be: MCU, Star Wars, LOTR, Indiana Jones, Harry Potter, HTTYD, Kung Fu Panda, Planet of the Apes reboot trilogy and BTTF
@@weasels6327 and Harry potter
I'm sorry for the dislike, but Return to Neverland was one of my favorite childhood movies. 😅
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I watched it more than the first movie. I mostly liked how the DVD gave sneak peeks of the Tinker Bell movies.
huh, i didn't know that disliking a thing because of a subjective opinion was a thing. I always do it when I genuinely think something is problematic.
When I was in kindergarten we (the girls) actually thought that every time you say "I don't believe in fairies" a fairy die. And all the boys said that on purpes while we cried and screamed at them to stop.
Boys will be boys lol but if you still believe in fairies then I’ll believe in them too ;)
Drink every time this chick says "Im not Wendy" in this movie.
Peter Pan: Return to Neverland was always my favorite Disney sequel. I honestly think I watched it more than I watched Peter Pan.
I remember always renting this movie from blockbuster when I was little😂
Me too! My favorite Disney sequel, followed by Cinderella 3
I know i watched it more than the original
Same, and the references to Native Americans were pretty insensitive...😒 but my FAVORITE Disney sequel is The Little Mermaid II: Return to The Sea
@@16taysia lol I loved the little mermaid II - easily one if my favorite Disney movies growing up! 🤘🏻💕🤗
Me, someone who grew up with the tinker bell movies: N O S T O L G I A
Honestly i would love to see seamus review them, I really want that nostolgia blast and see if it holds up as well as i remember.
Same
Lol same
Lol Lol same
Same! These movies were the first films I ever saw in the cinema and I remember really liking them.
Lol Lol Lol same
I love Peter Pan 2 :) it was very well done!!! Jane felt she needed to be strong for her mother and brother after her father left to go to war. That's why she was that way.
I love Peter Pan 2 it’s my second favourite sequel. Honestly it makes sense that Jane doesn’t believe in Peter and gets angry. She had to grow up in War time so she had to put childish things aside.
Also... Edward was most likely one of the soldiers ferried back across the English Channel during the Evacuation of Dunkirk.
Seamus hardly able to restrain himself: DISNEY SEQUAL FAKE OUT DEATH
In a similar vein: Tinker bell: *dies*
Seamus YESSS! THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT TWICE!
DISNEY👏SEQUAL👏FAKEOUT👏DEATH👏2👏
You have no idea what Tinker Bell: the Secret of The Wings meant to me growing up, Seamus.
OMFG SAMEEEEE
It was a great movie except for the rage I feel over the fact that they completely ignore the fact that winter fairies were allowed in the warm weather and Tink, Clank, and Bobble also seen in the winter woods.
@@wholefoods_parmesan they can but if a winter fairies wings are to hot they break we see it with Lord Malory and there is no known cure and if normal fairies wings get to cold the break we see this with tinker bell herself but because her sister and her were born from the same laugh they were the only fairies with the same wings cause fairy Wing are all unique and when tink and her sister put their wings next to each other they glowed and fixed thinks wing
@@user-jp6zl5yd1h yeah, but at the beginning of secret of the wings, warm weather fairies aren't allowed in the winter woods, and they're only allowed at the end of the movie because that's when they discover that they can keep the warm weather fairies' wings warm with the frost talent, which isn't a thing in the first movie yet
@@wholefoods_parmesan Yess but it's also I rule queen Clarien made cause EOF what happened to Lord malories wings
This may sound crazy but...
What if Jane is the same Jane from Tarzan?
*The plot twists continue*
Tarzan takes place like 60 years or so before Return to Neverland tho.
@@Painocus Wendy's aunt then, who she named Jane after?
That would make sense, like after she experienced the island that was neverland she spent her life studying foreign places-
Lets compare their fathers 😅
Honestly, Jane shows the very specific feelings of being the oldest daughter, it’s a unique experience of having to be a pseudo parent when you’re just a kid.
So from what I understand, the reason why Jane lashes out is because she promised to protect her family, and with her father away at war and her soon leaving her mother, she feels like her world is about to crumble around her. She wants to act as the adult in this situation, but she ends up taking her role as a protector of the family to far, leading her to lash out at her brother. At that point she breaks down, because she lost her faith and trust when her father went to war, and now has to find it again in Neverland.
I remember watching this as a child and not understanding at all the beginning despite me being in awe today.
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Can do some of the Winnie the Pooh sequels there is a lot and they are the only Disney sequels from my childhood
2011 or THE MANY FROM THE EARLY 2000s!?
I personally want to see him do the Hephalump movie and the more resent sequel with the Backson
The Tigger movie 💚😭
Thanks glad I’m not the only one who knows about these movies everyone I know acts like I am speaking another language
Omg I love them, my mum took me as a 1 year old to the tigger movie in the cinema to be my first cinema experience
I've never realized how many Disney sequels I've actually watched. This movie felt like a fever dream for me
Sameeeee
I think that there are three things that are needed to fly, one is never said because it should be a given: a child-like heart! If you are a child then you already have the child-like heart at some level. That leaves two things: happy thoughts and pixie dust.
Jane was Wendy's daughter so Peter and the lost boys probably figured that she already knew to think of happy thoughts in order to fly. She was a child, yes, but she was more focused on adult matters because of what was going on around her. So, when she was blasted with pixie dust, the only element she was given the other two factors were not there. Jane was thinking more like an adult and was not thinking of happy thoughts. Once she embraces a child-like heart and start thinking happy thoughts, she is able to fly once she is sprinkled with pixie dust.
When Peter and Tinkerbell meets Wendy later in the movie, it is clear that Wendy holds tightly to her happy thoughts. Telling stories of Peter Pan has already proven that she holds to a child-like heart to some degree. Therefore, she is still able to fly when Tink sprinkles pixie dust on her.
As for the pirates and Jane finding the treasure, they followed her and only wanted her to blow the whistle once everyone was present so Captain Hook could capture everyone!
*A children's story is not a good children's story if it's only able to be enjoyed by children*
~ CS. Lewis (I think)
Well, unless, it’s specifically aimed at children, shows and movies that are meant to educate children.
@@joeyjerry1586 yeah true, but often kids themselves will enjoy it more if it has a good plot that could also be enjoyed when the get older too and not just a cheesy kids sing along
but yeah you are right there there's definitely a place for "just kids" movies and TV shows
Peter Pan is one of my favorite Disney movies. I remember also loving the sequel as a young kid(I’m not 16) but I haven’t seen it in a while.
It would be interesting to see his reaction to some of the less known Disney movies, mainly for the movie Dinosaur that I feel like nobody cares about but was a big part of my childhood
I'm right there with you!
I remember going to see that movie. That is about all I remember of it though.
oh my god, yes. dinosaur was my childhood
I remember I have the DVD somewhere, but I don't remember a thing from the plot.
He just needs to go through all 50-something Walt Disney Animation Studios films. Because after the Peter Pan hot take I just want to see him react to Fun and Fancy Free and the like.
“It also has SIX TINKERBELLE SEQUELS, SIX!!!”
Me: *And I watched them all*
idk i think i unwillingly watched them all with family, and do ot have many fond memories about them
I did it too 😂😂😂
I'm trying to remember if I watched them all since I can't remember if I watched the neverbeast one or not.
Same
I have too, but two I haven't seen in a while🤣
This movie makes me cry my eyes out every time. My dad was deployed overseas when I was a little girl, and he said almost the exact same thing to me as Jane’s father says to her. I had to be strong for my mom and sister. I see so much of myself as a child in Jane.
About the fairy dying, apparently fairies die when people stop believing in them. Well that’s what my weirdo classmate says.
It was in the Peter pan live action
If someone says I don't believe in fairies then a fairy dies
Apperantly the fairy standing/flying closest to them
Yeah, that's a pretty recurring aspect of Disney Fairies lore
@@saanvisehgal5189 Aren't you supposed to clap if you believe if that happens?
@@carolinemcgovern4488 I don't know
Maybe?
I never liked that how they put in that idea considering things. I know they needed a little bit of extra drama to trigger a change, but still there are plenty of things that exist whether you believe in them or not, though belief still still a necessary fuel in life.
My family used to taunt me all the time, saying "Oh JaAaAaAaAaAneeee~" 😐
I could hear this comment
The way it works is that every time someone says that they don't believe in fairies, one dies. Also, Tinkerbell shouldn't have been able to dive into the water, because according to the Tales from Pixie Hollow books (that are actually canon) water makes fairy wings grow heavier, which makes it impossible for fairies to swim without drowning. Also, the dad was probably home on leave at the end.
Oh a pirate's life is a wonderful life, a-rovin' over the sea. Give me a career as a buccaneer, it's the life of a pirate for me. Oh the life of a pirate for me!
The Tinkerbell movies were a big part of my childhood. Sometimes I still watch them for the nostalgia.
I'm 19 years old.
I saw a fan made poster where Tom Holland plays a live action Peter Pan. THIS SHOULD HAPPEN
Isn't he like ... 25 this year?
"The most disney sequel, disney sequal there is" another winner quote from Seamas 2020
Me: watches the beginning
Also me: oh wow, youtuber apology video. That’s cool... I guess
except he didnt put his face in the camera like that
Tinkerbell dying from no belief is actual in a book I read based on the actual or maybe it was the og story idk
I'm sure it was the OG story.
@@carolinemcgovern4488 It was, I read the book. (Only like, half of it, tho cuz I wasn't dedicated enough to finish it, lol)
I went to the cinema to watch this film, and I did really enjoy it when it came out. But I haven't watched it in literally years. I think that Jane's problem was that she was asked to look after the family by her dad so she literally grew up too quick, which is why they used her as a juxtaposition to the lost boys. They remain kids forever, whereas she's more like an adult trapped in a kid's body. The scene where Wendy is reunited with Peter is something that will always make me tear up. It was so bittersweet and painful, but also gave a warm fuzzy feeling.
Tinkerbell and the Pirate Fairy will always have a special place in my heart. Just the music, the animation and everything I just really really love it, even now it’s still one of my favourite movies
Me: Can we get Hook (1991)?
Mom: We have Hook at home.
Hook at Home: *Return* *to* *Neverland*
robin williams my childhood!
@@spooderman6312 R.I.P
What’s wrong with that?
@@Nowegotbadblood Jane Darling is just a clone of Peter Banning from Hook.
Peter Pan was the loml when I was a baby child. I remember seeing this movie in theaters.
This does not get said enough: Seamus your editing is GENIUS. 👏
my sister was OBSESSED witht he tinkerbell sequels so hyped to see you cover them
This movie meant so much to me when I was a kid. I remember watching this movie before watching Peter Pan 1 so I was super confused but I still love this movie.
And then it spirals down to me watching every single one of the tickerbell movies 😂❤️
I was OBSESSED with the Tinker Bell film series.
Day Eight of asking Seamus to review all of the Barbie movies.
Wait am I the only one who didn’t know what the word Epitome
Also pls make a video on the tinker bell spinoffs
There great!
Gosh this is a lot of likes
Thanks!
Tbh, I disagree with some of your comments about Jane. As someone who’s an older sibling who’s been through some rough stuff (though, I wouldn’t say something like WW2), it’s hard to be positive when things are... grim. I empathized with her because she was forced to grow up quickly (and keeping in mind she’s quite young) and lashing out can happen. Yeah, it really sucks that she did it, but it makes sense. She’s so irritated at Peter Pan because Peter Pan seems like such a childish story... And when you’re a kid who’s growing up during a war or any difficult situation, you unfortunately can’t “just be a kid.” That shit’s gonna cause trauma.
This film has quite a special place in my heart, especially with that scene of Wendy and Peter at the end too?
Yeah. Good video btw!!! It ain’t a perfect movie, that’s for sure, but I think you missed the mark on the point of this movie- which is the fact that it’s about a kid reclaiming their childhood despite everything that’s has happened/will happen- finding the time to be “childish” in a rough time. Still, I give it a 6.5/10. I wouldn’t rewatch it, but it does have meaning to me.
That sad song that plays while Jane mopes around completely screams "early 2000s". Made me look up "Murder on the Dancefloor", that's how early 2000s it is.
*Seamus: posts*
Me: googles what epitome means
Same
That's literally what I did!
I love these videos they always make me laugh out loud
Omg, if Seamus does a video about all of the Tinkerbell movies, I will literally click the like button before it even starts.
i actually adore this sequel! the animation is fresh, the plot is fun, jane's character is easy to dislike but she's grown one me and i think shes badass for her age, her relationship with peter and the others is entertaining, etc. plus, the wendy cameo gave a big nice throwback.
this movie was sweet and i agree that it's the strongest out if the two!
What happened to John and Michael: John joined the Royal Air Force and was sent to Kai Tak Field in Hong Kong. He was taken as a POW when the Japanese invaded and seized Hong Kong. John would spend the rest of the war as a POW in Japan and witness the A-Bomb being dropped. Michael joined the Royal Navy and was assigned to HMS Hood. He died when the Hood was destroyed in battle with the Bismarck. PS: Neverland is in the Pacific.
“A Switzerland flag sized plus” cracked me up for some reason😂🤣
Him: I will cover the tinkerbell spinoffs if I get enough likes
Me: **relikes video** tinkerbell Tinkerbell, TINKERBELL
Lol same those movies were my entire life as a kid
Yes, my childhood!!!!
tinkerbell fandom comes to life i see
PEOPLE ARE FINALLY STARTING TO APPRECIATE DISNEY FAIRIES
Still one of my favorite Disney movies, tbh. He better give them a good rating.
Same!! I really wanna see more people talk about the tinkerbell movies! I still love rewatching them!
The last time I was this early, Peter pan only had one decent and nostalgic movie
I grew up with this movie, actually thinking for yeeears that THIS is the og Peter Pan 😂😅 Cause the story’s so similar...
Btw, I agree. Now having seen both, I think the sequel is so much better. (And that’s not just nostalgia speaking)
This movie is un-ironically one of my favourites of all time. I rewatched it last week. And the American pop song is incredibly emotional, if a bit odd in this movie.