Repairing the Valve Guide on the GCV 190, GCV160 Honda HRX217
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- In this video, I will show you how to apply hopefully a permanent fix to your GCV 160 or 190 engine.
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I too have noted that the build quality of Honda mowers has diminished. I purchased my HRC 216-AD HXA (MZAN 6000001-6099999) in August of 1990, when the wheels had metal hubs. On the other hand, my brother-in-law has gone through at least a half-dozen cheap box store mowers in the past 30-years. Although my HRC 216 was $910 at time of purchase, I still believe I got my money's worth.
I can’t believe I found you and this video! My mower just stopped working and followed your two video and located the guide had walked out. I am so thankful right now I feel so relieved. I can’t afford a new mower and your work has saved me! God bless!
Great info, thanks. I have the HRX217, I purchased mine new in April 2013, Runs great, I take good care of it.
Mine had the same issue as do them all. Intake side only . If your tired of your intake valve sticking every time you go to use it he’s my fix . Get some valve grinding compound and spin it with a drill so it opens up the guide and will never stick again. You can do this with the head on. Don’t get the compound Anywhere but in the guide and clean up afterward. Reseal the cover and will run forever
Thanks for creating videos to share your knowledge! Local here , Gwinnett L’ville present!
My HRX 217 VKA suddenly and abruptly stopped working in the middle of mowing, BUT before this, the mower has NEVER failed me and I have used it for more than 5+ years.
Thank you for posting this. This was the key to fixing my Ryobi 3100 pressure washer no compression issue. When I tapped the guide back in it bound up the exhaust valve even more, but I was able to loosen it with liquid wrench and some vice grips by working it up and down until it fully seated and slid easier.
The valve cover from a GSV190 (commercial grade variant) fits the GCV160/190. It's made out of cast aluminum and uses a gasket. The part# for the GSV valve cover is 12311-Z2A-000 and the gasket is 12312-Z2A-000.
Very helpful, ordering this upgrade for mine, thank you.
@@Treppiede you also need the longer bolts from the GSV p/n 90121-952-000 qty 4
@@joshcobi thank you, you're absolutely right, I found out the hard way the other day when the cast aluminum cover arrived and I went to put it on my GCV190 lol. I wound up picking up some bolts from McMaster that did the job, but I will replace them with the OEM Honda stuff soon. Good discussion gents, thanks! 👍
This now brings up a question is the valve guild/seat different / better on the commercial and will it fix the problem on the standard 217 ??
@@kevinharris5101 I don't know if it is "better" but at least it won't rust. Ah, and it will not deform so easily when bumping it into a big branch or something. I polished mine up yeaterday (the standard one) and applied some water displacing oil. I think about to paint it
I would like to see how you make the gasket, looks like we'll all be in there a lot more than we thought.
Can't remember the year purchased but was new when purchased from the dealer.......lets call it 25 to 29 year old HRT216 with original GCV160 engine. Estimate about 30 to 40 hours total? Looks like new of course. For the past 19 years it has only been ran about 2 hours since moving to a larger property and using a ZTR to mow. It was only drug out once or twice a year to mow a low area that collected a lot of water and couldn't get the tractor in there in the spring. This year decided to use it a bit more around some pine trees. Noticed a puff of smoke when starting every week this year that was obviously oil from the smell. Figured the valve seal had dried out due to lack of use and allowed oil to seep past when sitting. Pulled the cover, rockers, and spring and there is no seal present. What was strange though was if the seal had dry rotted and crumbled, the small sealing spring it seems is on the seal from the videos I have watched is not left behind on the valve stem if the rubber had decayed and fallen apart. Can't locate the actual engine code online but every other engine code for the GCV 160 shows the seal used so assume this model had it too at some point. GJAEA-1146612 with MY1* code punched beside. Might buy a intake seal, not sure it is worth it to crack the case apart to look for that sealing spring, thinking it is not an issue even if it is laying in the bottom of the case.
Smart ideal, I can see why it works great, will order parts tomorrow to have handy
Hey yall dont forget these motors are used on many different kinds of applications like go carts weed eaters pressure washers mowers edgers generators probably more
My HRX217 is 5 yrs old. Used it all summer and week ago wouldn't start. Cleaned Carb and then took off valve cover and the intake valve was stuck. Sprayed with WD40 and tapped it several times and it finally loosen up. Bent the valve cover trying to get it off, so straigtened it up and screwed it back on. Couldn't find the video you mentioned about making a gasket for it.
This is first Honda mower I've owned. Had 2 Snapper mowers over a 45 yr period. Had almost no problems with them. The last one had a Wisconsin Robin engine. I was going to buy another Snapper but the new ones in 2018 looked cheap and not as sturdy as the previous ones. I'm going to get an hour meter for this Honda. Thanks for the videos.
I have not done a video on making the gasket as other things were slightly more pressing. I will do the video at some point.
FYI...I vote sooner rather than later...LOL@@GwinnettLawns
That makes two of us (and counting)...@@jcasey460
My brother has a Snapper push mower with a 2-stroke Wisconsin Robin engine; I keep trying to get from him. He says, that I'll have to pry his cold dead fingers off it, for him to give it up!
Have this exact mower about 6 years old I use it in a landscape business been reliable not the best cutting or bagging but it weights way less than the commercial and hear in the PNW that helps a lot in the springtime when you can put ruts in the lawns because they are so wet.
Haven’t had the guide move on my gcv160. The valve cover did leak, the Honda bond silicone is crap , so as an automotive machinist I sealed my valve cover with Permatex right stuff silicone. I did this on both my mower and the newer mower that my parents have with the GCV 170. Both are absolutely bone dry.
If you order a cast aluminum valve cover and the longer bolts for it that comes on I believe the GSV series engines it uses a gasket and allows easy valve servicing without the use of silicone or a crappy tin cover.
I need to bring mine to you cause i cant figure it out
I have not had a problem but need to know how to fix it
Before one comes in to shop
I bought this mower new in Jan 2017 thinking it would be the last mower I would buy. Unfortunately it was one issue after another until finally this June I sat it by the road and it became someone else’s problem. Four trips back to the dealer for warranty work and then several repairs outside of warranty was more than enough for me. I’m now mowing with a Milwaukee M18 mower and couldn’t be happier. I also just bought a Milwaukee string trimmer to replace my Honda trimmer. Honda quality is way too hit or miss at the prices they charge for their equipment. Definitely no longer a premium brand IMO.
Following your channel great content
Great video! I can't find the video where you explain the alternative seal that does not stick/glue the cover to the engine?
Coming soon!
I loved my Honda. Up until it decided to be a SOB & quit working and I can’t figure it out. It won’t even try to run and it’s got spark and gas. But it does nothing. I mean nothing. At this point, I think it only has spark when I have the plug pulled out where I can see it. I think it gives up and stops sparking as soon as I put the plug back in and try to pull on the start rope. Because I put gas in the cylinder myself, multiple times. And it still didn’t even try to fire up once. Which is beyond my ability to make sense of at this moment in time.
Could you please post a link to the other video you referenced where you show how to reseat the valve guide back into place? Also, please link to the video you referenced where you make a gasket for the valve cover. Thanks so much.
In the last video on this issue you tapped in the guide with a socket. Did you do that on this occasion before you added the oils piece?
Good morning sir
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So the meter for the engine all you do is wrap around the cable for the plug and tie it like u did and it will read the hours use?
Thanks
Correct the wire senses the spark energy and the meter displays it on the front.
Did you make a video on changing the fluid in the HRX transmission? I searched but didn’t see it.
No not yet but I am going too.
Did it hold up? i tapped mine back in and punched the sleeve in two places held up for a few months.
Still holding strong.
One more comment, question, Is there a way to modify the Honda HRX217 so engine speed can be adjusted. This mower just runs all out and I can't adjust the engine speed. The Snappers I had I could adjust the speed on them from the handle while mowing. Thanks.
The throttle is on the handle of these mowers as well. Mine will run a various RPM's. Maybe someone messed with the governor spring.
There is no throttle on my HRX217. @@GwinnettLawns
@@alfannin872 The RPM is adjusted by slightly bending the governor arm. If you'll search you'll find at least one very good video showing how to do it.
Would this be causing oil to be burnt on startup? I have an HRX217 with a GCV190, and while i've had the intake seal and the camshaft oring replaced, it burns oil at startup, or slightly when i engage Roto-Stop. I'm hoping that if it's because the valve guide is pulling out, it's causing so I can fix.
I could be doing rings are worn. Try adjusting your valves see if that helps. The valve guide moving is not going to cause it to burn oil on the exhaust side..
Its not a bad design, Honda delivered exactly what consumers demanded, cheap disposable engines. I don't put any blame on Honda. I blame consumers that want to remain blind to the devaluation of the US Dollar over the last 40+yrs. In the 1980's and '90's both Honda and Toro offered commercial engines(Honda GXV 140 and Toro Suzuki 2/4 cycle) on consumer mowers with Cast Aluminum decks. They cost $500-$600+ circa 1990. Adjusted for inflation that would be approaching or surpassing $1,400 today. My Toro was $549 in 1991 without bagger or bagging chute, you had to pay extra for that. Consumers would loose their minds seeing those prices for consumer mowers today. The Honda HRC216 you sold was a lot of mower for the money, likely the best deal today at $1,400. The only mowers with cast aluminum decks and full commercial engines are the Toro commercials, and they start at $1,800 and go well above $2,000 for a 21". I believe I saw $2,300 retail for the Toro 21" with Honda GXV160 and blade clutch.
As for the best cut you mentioned, I have a 13ish year old HRX 217(190cc) and 3yrs ago I found a 1991 cast aluminum Toro Recycler with a Suzuki 2-cycle engine for free. After fixing it up it cuts and mulches far better than my HRX 217. Finished cut is noticeably better looking than my HRX 217. I have no doubt the '90's Honda HR215's would cut better than current Honda's too, but again they would be crazy expensive to build today, and consumers would freak out at the price. The 121cc 2-cycle Suzuki, the 140cc 4-cycle Suzuki, and the 140cc GX140 Honda's of the '90's lack the power of those 190cc and 200cc Hondas. They also only cut to a max of 3" height. Honda HRX 217 can handle knee high grass far better than those old mowers. Consumers drive the market and Honda did good building the HRX 217's.
My 23 year old Toro Super Recycler deck clogs up with grass almost every time I mow with it. My Honda HRX217 Nexite deck almost never clogs up with clippings unless the grass was just rained on or sprinklers. Those triangular kickers underneath the Toro SR's help mulch, but also make cleaning the deck much harder. I also noticed the Honda double blades will almost never leave clump trails behind like a Toro SR does in long grass. The Toro single blades also seem to be made of softer metal and dents easier on branches and rocks than Honda's blades.
@@JasonJayJJ1 My Honda HRX leaves trails at the left rear wheel if the grass is long. I did see my 32yr old Toro do it a tiny bit the last mow but I broke the 1/3 rule cutting very thick 6"+ grass at 2". That old pre-Super Recycler(Toro did not begin to call the cast aluminum Recyclers "Super" until 1993) has much smaller plastic "kickers" than later models, but it has more of them(4+ mulch plug). It also uses the same blade as the commercial 22043 mower.
Both Honda and Toro have been lowering quality since the 1990's to keep prices down so consumers can be happily blind the fact that the US Dollar has been losing its value for over 40yrs. That is why Honda chose to get out of the US market while continuing to sell mowers in Europe, Australia, and Asia. Just look at the maker of this video, he sold his US-made commercial Honda HRC 216 to now buy a Chinese-made Bad Boy with a Chinese-made Kawasaki. Consumers create the market, and most US consumers are a bit stupid. Honda is well aware, and I'm guessing tired of it. Been driving Honda's for 27yrs. I am a Huge fan, and still looking for a 1990's Honda HR215 with a cast aluminum deck.
@@WisconsinEric What would you prefer to buy today, a 21" Scag with either the 173cc or 224cc Kohler engine, a Bad Boy, aka Y-Bravo Gen 2 with Kawasaki 180cc engine, or a Honda of your choice? Which is going to last the longest in your experience?
@@JasonJayJJ1 I have no experience with any of them and I am not a landscaper so my opinion should mean little to nothing on those mowers. That said I am a huge fan of Honda engines, just not their consumer GC engines. The GCV's are not bad, and I still prefer them to others in the price range, but no comparison to Honda GX series engines. I worked at a repair shop for a short time and commercial generators/compressors and other equipment would come in with seriously neglected and abused Honda GX engines and they always seemed to be serviceable with minimal work. The Honda HRC216 seemed like the best deal around at $500-$700 less than comparable Toros. Scag and Kohler are both Wisconsin-made(my home state) so that 224cc 21" does interest me as it looks like a beast, perfect for overgrown lawn clean ups, but heavier than I would like for a weekly cut on a well manicured lawn. I cut every 5 days when the grass is growing fast so my 4.5hp Suzuki 2-cycle has plenty of power even though it is less powerful than the Honda GCV190 on my HRX 217. My HRX is 13yrs old and that engine ran perfect last I used it 3yrs ago. Transmission is shot though.
I have this mower with the GCV 190. I am having the issue where its hard to pull start. I can it pulls hard to TDC and then i can slowly pull it past that point where it's a little easier again until it gets to TDC once more. Do you think this is the valve issue or is it the pressure relief spring?
Did you ever get an answer on this. I'm having the same exact issue.
@@eastsideozzy yep! i took it apart and the rocker arm was cracked and the valve stem was not pushed in all the way. replaced the rocker arm and did the fix for the valve stem and works great
Could not find video to make gasket for the valve cover
Have not done it yet.
@@GwinnettLawns what are you gonna use for gasket material?
you can buy sheets of gasket material from Fellpro.
@@GwinnettLawns what thickness or it only comes in one size?
So, you added a part on the exhaust where there wasn’t one there before? You really didn’t specifically say that
Not only did I specifically say that I even showed the part number of the item and showed the entire process from start to finish. Did you actually watch the entire video or did you skip around a bit?
@@GwinnettLawnsHe's right, it wasn't clear that you were 'adding' a seal that wasn't supposed to be there. You mentioned the sleeve that pops out and when you exposed the valve, it looked to me that that sleeve was sticking out further than the intake(which I thought was the issue you were addressing) but you never pushed it back in so that was confusing also. You just put a modified seal over it. I don't see how that seal would keep the sleeve from coming out unless I misunderstood the issue. Is this a problem with ALL GCV190 or just later models cause I have a 1st gen HRX217. I'm guessing its more than 10 years old but has no issues i'm aware of.
Did you source another gcv190 engine? MTA distributors and Jack's small engine are out. Some guy in the middle of nowhere has gcv190's for too much moolah. I probably will bite the bullet and get one if the crankshaft matches. Rebuild the old engine.
Yes I have a brand new engine in its sealed Honda box.
These engines are good but much too complex for their purpose. Nothing better than those old Briggs flatheads.
How do you know the the guide is not moving kn the head casting? Seems like a Bush fix to me. Why not remove the head and fix it for good.
The guide is moving that’s the point. It’s a design defect a new head would just give you the same problem, but this is a permanent fix bush or not.
How does this video have anything to do with fixing the valve guide?
All your doing is replacing a valve seal.
Pro tip is you can take that spring off, find the joint, unscrew the spring from itself, nip a cpl coils off, screw spring back together. It will now be tighter.
Can do this on any seal with a spring.
The fix prevents the valve guide from coming back out.
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You could have left the seal intact and the end result is the same.
Nope it interferes