Unironically this is the best Christmas present I got this year. The Penquin itself was a gift, but any positive Efap coverage of a good thing I’ll joyfully accept
The best part of the show is that it tells a complete story and if any future seasons or content featuring the character are horrible, we can ignore them and just appreciate this season on it’s own
@@toastwriter617 I didn’t come to form my opinion, I came to hear coverage of the show. Don’t project your insecurities onto me Speaking of insecurities, did you like your own comment?
On their point about Penguin's intro scene, it's perfect because we get all 3 sides of Penguin one after the other His ego; how he's seen, his rank, his skillsets, his habitual goals and behaviors His super-ego: where he _wants_ to be, what he respects, what he _thinks_ he is And then, when the guy laughs at him, we get his id: what he _actually_ is deep down, and all the flaws, strengths, and headaches that brings. In _one sequence_ we know everything we need to know about this guy.
That is an astute observation and a very interesting way of looking at it. This show gets better the further you dig into it, especially in regards to its character's and dialogue writing.
To add because I really like that breakdown of Penguin's introduction It also sets the pattern of the show. Penguin gets ambitious, he either gets caught or his plan gets disrupted, he reads the situation, manipulates his way out of it, and due to his ego he gets into another situation usually worse than before and the cycle continues. Penguin is, in my personal experience, the most brutality accurate depiction of modern gangsters. No loyalty, no code, no shame, just self gratification.
Timestamps: 0:00 Intro/MauLer Lied/Most Christmasy Bird 8:10 Backstory/The Reception of the Show 11:40 Lauren Lefranc/Mark Strong 15:40 Word of Mouth/Episode 1 30:32 Oswald Cobb/Make-up 37:00 Character Introduction 55:44 Disposing Alberto/Colour 59:15 Fat Hands/Meeting Victor/Structure 1:10:03 Pickles/Ambition/Not Killing Vic 1:16:00 Oswald's Apartment/Leg 1:17:46 Consequences of Riddlers' Plan/Oswald's Business/Character Dynamics, Worldbuilding & Exposition 1:27:34 Meeting Johnny & Sofia 1:41:10 Dinner With Sofia 1:53:40 Season 2 Curse/Disability Train Seat/Consequences of Riddlers' Plan (2) 1:58:00 Dolly Parton/Different Car/Francis Cobb 2:08:35 Scapegoat/Bonding With Victor/Salvatore Maroni 2:19:22 Car Chase/"The Hangman" Vs The Penguin 2:29:50 Aftermath/Ending/Shows Wasting Potential (Cough, Cough, Arcane) 2:40:32 Episode 2: Sofia's Nightmare/Strong Woman Who Suffers 2:44:50 Sal & Os/The Drop 2:56:50 A Surprising Duo/Vic & Os 3:02:14 The Radio/Batman TV Show or Movie?/Opportunity 3:10:44 Sofia's Detective/Celebration/Panic Attack 3:15:05 The Appearance of The Penguin/Francis' Influence on Oswald 3:18:45 Alberto's Funeral 3:38:14 The Bodies/Os & Sofia/Episode Ends 3:42:35 Episode 3, The Victor Aguilar Episode/The Flood/Back in the Present 3:52:33 Bliss/Victor & His Girlfriend/Falcone Residence 3:58:41 Carrying & Selling/Cop & Victor/A Meaningful Conversation 4:13:30 Blackmailing Johnny/Nice to Vic/A Mistake & Questions 4:24:08 Copycat Drugs/Chat With Zhao/A Cool Flashback 4:29:15 Os & Vic's Goodbye 4:38:00 Os & Sofia/Victor Saves Os/Episode 3 Ends 4:48:00 Episode 4 & the Truth is Revealed/Flashback & Appearances/Planting Seeds 4:55:47 Family Dinner/Asking Questions & The Investigator 5:06:15 The Party 5:17:30 Sofia's Arrested 5:28:10 Fork Fight/Electro-Shock "Therapy"/Alberto's Visit 5:34:40 Sofia Kills Magpie/Julian & Sofia/Dinner 5:46:30 Gas & Episode End/Closing
@@zombieranger3410yeah but Bill has upper-body strength for days when sufficiently motivated. Bill is a sports man at heart who's forgotten who he really is; Boogie, if motivated and given everything he needs, would _still_ choose to rot in his chair, just be more smug about it
nah, Boogie is worse than that. he wanted a facade of Mr. Rogers of internet only when he had enough money swindled from his followers. It's not about respect or acknowledgment for him , the dirty rat is a natural bottom feeder, ready to exploit anyone and everyone not to achieve something but to quench the unending thirst for wealth for the wealth's sake. Oswald fought for his survival and better life as well as wishing of being great person and inspiration for others to be good too. He is still human, unlike Boogie. Gollum would be more suitable analogy for what reflection of Boogie we can see in cinema.
1:57:10 I love this about penguin, it’s a comic accurate thing too that he isn’t happy with guys like two-face, joker and riddler because they're just crazy, Oz was always a business man.
Sofia to me is what an "antivillain" should look like. While an antihero is the morally-dubious protagonist with a tragic flaw but ultimately serves some form of greater good, Sofia is the morally-ambiguous antagonist with a _tragic grace_ in her that you hate to see let down
You know I really love how much the Penguin deals with the Riddler's attack on the city. It would have been easy to just move on, but they make something like a flood feel like it has disastrous and long reaching effects. I wish Marvel treated "the blip" with as much respect as this
Something I don’t want to go under appreciated, the end credit music / main theme, “Scherzo for a Flightless Bird” from Michael Giacchino’s son (Mick Giacchino) is FANTASTIC Like any good score, not only is it an excellent composition alone, but it thematically reflects Oz’s state of being (like how The Batman theme communicated the imposing nature the Batman myth had) and the image of a flightless bird desperately flapping its wings, as the Penguin tends to go through the show Everyone go listen to it when you get a chance
100%. The theme is perfect for both Oz and the Penguin as a legacy character. Love how you can almost hear his limp in the song too, and it just gets more and more intense.
Fantastic analysis! Wholeheartedly agree. I remember when I was first listening to it on its own, it kind of struck me as sounding like it came out of a horror movie, with that droning violin and heavy cello. Which kind of reflects the monster that Oz is. And then the drums kick in and I can't help but think it's one of the best "comic book" themes out there.
I've had a stutter pretty much my entire life, and I gotta give major props to Rhenzy Feliz. He did an excellent job conveying a lot of the little quirks and nuances that come with having that mindset of a stutterer. You can almost see the exact moments when he realizes he's about to stutter and prepares his body language and facial expressions to account for it until he finally gets the word(s) out. Very well done. Makes an already great character even better.
Yup. I kinda get it that EFAP is more bad media aka Disney Marvel leaning. But at least one good show will get talked about recently. Just too cleanse our creative pallets.
I do love a positive Efap, they're rare these days with the amount of sludge out there but Die Hard & Penguin streams back to back are great (still gotta check out the Grinch triple threat)
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09I’m sorry you missed them breaking down the reasons those two films were bad. You can go back and watch them to find their references and reasons.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Guardians 3 was pretty rough man. Personally, I don't like 2 very much but 3 has fluffy animal stories and that's it. Drax and Mantis were assassinated, Gamora is handled terribly, Nebula is a pretty ridiculous OC at this point, and Adam Warlock is lame. Haven't seen Deadpool and Wolverine as multiverse films are usually ass.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 how can you lump Deadpool and Wolverine of all films into the “good” category. That movie was a middle finger to Wolverine, Deadpool, and story logic. Albeit, a slightly humorous one.
@@nhagan001 I didn't, both those breakdowns are bad. Just because they have reasons why they think those movies are bad doesn't mean those reasons are valid. Their references and reasons are terrible. They claim that the characters in Guardians 3 are assassinated because of a bunch of nitpicks that aren't even valid since they didn't understand the characters actions in the film. They even criticize Star-Lord going back for his Zune when that is completely in character. "I hate when characters have multiple conflicting traits and act like people" is a pretty good description of both those breakdowns. They didn't even understand why Wolverine was walking away from Deadpool in the void. They also ask a bunch of existential questions and pretend like they're actual criticisms. "Why is there only one Anchor-being?" - Why do humans breath oxygen? They criticize James Gunn for introducing the med-packs, saying that it's unfair to future writers because now they have to account for this, which is both a baffling criticism and hypocritical since they have never blamed Civil War for introducing the Sokovia Accords when MCU installments ignore them. I suggest you re-watch those breakdown with a more critical eye. Or watch S.K.'s videos where he debunks their breakdowns. And before I hear any shit about S.K. being an asshole or "he defended Southpaw" etc. - That doesn't change the validity of his arguments. He very accurately points out how their criticisms are bad.
EFAP talking about the Penguin on Christmas after the family has all opened their presents and were all cozy and warm, is the only thing that brings me joy in life.
5:01:50 Important to note that in the shot, its not just that Carmine is covering his eyes but that you can clearly see that he has scratch marks on himself
Remember thinking it was odd that Mauler kept saying that this series couldn't be covered on EFAP, it makes sense now, a nice surprise indeed. Especially needed after talking about the biggest disappointment of the year in Arcane to have episodes dedicated to the most pleasant surprise of the year.
I think MauLer rewatched Penguin after that disappointment as a palette cleanser, and seeing all the setup and payoff and just how good it is he realized _ah shit, I'm gonna be talking about this show in-depth anyways_
It should be pointed out: All the merchandise that came out for The Batman (including McFarlane figures and Funko Pops) had the name Oswald Cobblepot on the box.
A bit of a side tangent about the blip MCU thing, but what if you were flying in a plane when you blipped? Wouldn't there be thousands of ppl falling to their deaths? Or what if you were in a place that had a house built over it? Would you wind up inside a wall? Based on the numbers, I think alot of these sorts of things happened.
I've always wondered how far down the scale did the blip affect. We know it killed birds. I'm assuming it killed most animals. Did it take down insects? Cells?! What if you survived the snap, but half your cells died? Can you survive with half your cells? How many cells can you lose before there are problems?
It raises so many problematic questions that the films don't want to answer or don't know how to answer. It's 5 years later, so not only do they snap back 30000 feet in the air, but do they get snapped back in another part of the Galaxy? What happens when you lose half the population and also half of the animals and food supply? Half the insects and bees? Do plants count as life? Do bacteria? Are your gut bacteria separate from you as a lifeform? Can you lose your gut bacteria and be fine? Can you get snapped but your gut bacteria stays? If you snap everything back do you bring back everything including viruses and germs? Do you bring back cancer cells? What do you do? How would it work? Nope, nevermind.
So, I just recently started watching The Penguin, and then wanted to hear what the EFAP crew thought about it. Imagine my genuine surprise there wasn't a video about this show all these months. So, this is a great Christmas present to me :D
Glad to see that Sofia is not smart because Oz is an idiot but she's just genuinely a smart woman and quite scary too Really loved their scenes together!
Look at all this content. I saw notifications and I’m like “EFAP EFAP EFAP” even though I knew it couldnt possibly be true. And here it is: a breakdown of the Penguin by the crew, perfect because as usual I have no intention of watching any of these things. Merry Christmas to all! And god bless us every one 🥹
I don't think the Penguin is faking his tears when he talks to Sophia, he's doing what all actors do, he's channelling the hurt he just felt from losing Vic and putting it into his performance.
The song 9 to 5 coincides with the movie 9 to 5 starring Dolly Parton, Jane Fonda, and Lilly Tomlin. In it, the three lowly secretaries kidnap their abusive boss played by Dabney Coleman and take over running his business in secret. That song usage in The Penguin has so many connotations.
I just love how they made the Penguin the biggest villainous backstabbing piece of shit that somehow we're absolutely rooting for the entire season (until the very last scene on the finale when we are rooting for the OTHER big player on Gotham to break Oz's teeth)
Imma be real I was rooting for Oz until the Sofia episode, then he lost me mostly, and by the time we saw what happened to his brothers he lost me completely. Still loved the show but I stopped supporting him about halfway through
Great show, my only issue is the Penguins plot armour at times, like he shoots his way out of some insane situations despite his gun skill never being established
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Maybe establish is the wrong term, more like earned? We don't see him practicing nor do people talk about how insane it is that he shoots his way out of some scenes
@meris8486 Possibly. I do give the show some leeway just cause the extent of the damage done to Gotham, and obviously, Bruce is only one person in a massive city. I just feel it could've at least been addressed. Maybe one of the people Victor is with could mention that the Bat might be there or something.
A lot of problems y'all are overlooking: E1 - How does Vic manage to crash the car onto their property and get away with it? I hate how the henchmen even allow the VIPs to get out of the doors. If this was an abush they could all be shot. It's mad that they allow Sophia to open the trunk. What if this was a car bomb? (this becomes funnier after E7) Also the brother being dead means nothing. This doesn't mean the Penguin is innocent, for all you know, he had his people bring in the body and got lucky with the timing (oh wait he did lol). Oz also shot his car, that bullet hole should be something he should make up a story about. Also, Oz killed one of their henchman with that bus (this never comes up again, you'd think they'd want revenge for that alone, it would have been better to just not have the henchman die) The thing is, I can see how you could write this a bit better; Have a security leader like Mike Ehrmnentraut tell everyone to not touch the car as it arrives, and have him refuse to risk any of his staff's lives to open it. Have him conclude that the best course of action is to call the police to deal with it, (since I don't imagine the Falcones have a bomb disposal unit lol), and in order to call the police they'd have to let Oz go or move him to another location at least. E4 - Gassing the house is not a great way to kill everyone inside efficiently, but more importantly, opening a window is not a great way to make sure Johnny Vidi doesn't die. What if he just thought it was cold and closed it? What if he heard noises of people passing out, and went to look at what happened and overdosed on CO2?
This is such a great show, 50% of that is because it was such a surprising sensation. Funny though, I thought for sure Victor was going to be Zsasz "for modern audiences" haha. It was dumb, but a damn nice surprise that he wasn't. Second best character of the show, too. That trio of Oz, Victor and Sophia, simply fantastic and human.
Him and the wife in Sixth Sense carried the Dune show; he perfectly nails the "all-powerful Emperor who's got his nuts in a vice and conditioned into being a puppet, but is _still_ regal af and has gravitas for days with the power he does have"
59:19 Funny because Tom was insistent that the character have "Big Hands" like comically big. I don't remember where I saw it, but there's an interview somewhere where Tom talks about it.
Fun fact, bliss in the comics is distilled from the "hormone secretions of kidnapped children" rather than a mushroom. Can't imagine why they changed it
One way they could pull off the monocle look: If you remember the Arkham games, the Penguin doesn't have a monocle, but the broken bottom of a glass bottle smashed into his eye. It could work!
They left her in the perfect place for Batman 2; if they visit her in Arkham it would make perfect sense, but if they keep her on pause so she's saved for the show, that also makes perfect sense. Selina reaching out to her could work as an actual plotline, or as a consolation that Sofia has something going on in the meantime
Thank you and Happy Holidays, gentlemen. My personal New Year’s promise is to send some coin HBO / Max’s way by subscribing, and then to binge this from start to finish.
I do like when a story is written to set things up and then pay them off. Instead of "lol random" mystery boxes that lead nowhere, and the feel that scripts are written the night before filming.
@ if I go to a shady bar and they’re selling what is essentially a high dose hit of acid for $60 I’m leaving. Then again, Club Penguin in the show is for high ranking public officials, so charging out the ass is reasonable.
I really enjoyed da pengu, wonder if I missed anything, some things in the show you can see a mile away but not in a bad way since they are logical things to happen.
21:45 there’s a legal issue where Batman cannot show up on live action television. Bruce Wayne can, but then people will be like “why isn’t Batman doing anything, you have the actor” 34:34 Cobb is the maiden name of Dick Grayson’s mom. Perhaps they were trying to tie the Penguin to Robin in some future movie
I hate that The corrupt cop is even able to kidnap Ervard from the hospital in the first place : a victim of a mob shooting would be under guard at the hospital you think and it would be impossible for one cop to just take him, especially when doctors would oppose it and other police officers would ask for confirmation from the higher ups. I also find it stupid that luca and viti leave no guards at Ervard's basement to just chastize Sofia together : this prisoner is super important and could be used as leveraged, or could very well just die if some caretaker isn't near just in case. Leaving him with no guards and no supervision for 10 mins makes no sense, and just allows Oz to kill him
5:16:05 Want to be more depressed? Mark Strong was also Sinestro in Green Lantern (2011). So it took DC 3 chances to do this wonderful actor justice, and he did it best in what, 8 minutes of screen time.
Penguin was really really amazing. I didn't care for all the Sofia focus in the penguin story but she was a well done character so it wasn't the end of the world. I didn't tune in once to see her and I think whenever the penguin wasn't in a scene you really did feel his absence.
I feel like you missed some important aspects of Penguin's character. But I'm only 3 hours or so through this, but you never seem to notice. They show multiple times that Oz is pathetic. When he kills Alberto in a rage, when he incorrectly calculates how certain players will react, how he deals with the ramifications of some situations. He's often pathetic. He's portrayed as a mastermind (arguably even lulling the audience into a false sense of security with him) but he's not always that good at it. Most of the time he fails to really understand how his plans will play out and so he almost dies CONSTANTLY. If it wasn't for Vic being as naive as he is he would have died, and he was taking a huge risk with that gamble. Which, again, was pretty pathetic. But this is such good writing because it doesn't break the fact that Penguin always loses in the end. Its fascinating to me that they were able to walk that very thin line of Penguin planning everything he does, arguably but most likely from the beginning of this show, constantly failing, and constantly finding a way to continue his schemes. I'm really surprised how good the writing was on this. Even the movie was not written with this kind of care. Although there's a lot detracting from the movie. Maybe it was but it was lessened by how bad of an actor Robert Pattinson is, and how boring Paul Dano was.
3:06:00 I would say Batman: The Animated Series as the last great Batman TV show. I inagine most people would say The Dark Knight as the last great Batman Movie,
To be fair The Bat was _fucked. up._ by the end of the stadium incident. Guarantee you Alfred had to peel him off his bike after the adrenaline wore off
Did all of the Efap crew watch death note? I never heard them talk about it. I thought it's an interesting comparsion cause most of the time Light plans everything ahead, and the episode with Naomi Misora shows him out of his element, while the penguin is almost always in that kind of situation, and he excels at it.
It's so much worse here. Victor was a huge asset, not to mention a loyal friend. Tony killing Christopher was cold blooded but at least you could argue Christopher was beyond redemption by that point. Victor's death is a tragedy.
@@jcore0981 I agree. It is much more reprehensible in terms of morality. However, I think Tony murdering Chrissy was justified a hell of a lot more considering who Tony is, what he values, and how much of a liability Christopher had been up to that point. It’s also far more tragic of a story with everything Tony and Chrissy had been through up to that point. I like The Penguin, but The Sopranos blows it out of the water in every regard for me.
2:05:00 Best part is she knows what kind of monster Oz is and may have given him delusional mob ideas to protect herself. She is the only living family.
Unironically this is the best Christmas present I got this year. The Penquin itself was a gift, but any positive Efap coverage of a good thing I’ll joyfully accept
The best part of the show is that it tells a complete story and if any future seasons or content featuring the character are horrible, we can ignore them and just appreciate this season on it’s own
Could not agree more!
Like Andor two years ago!
They said the Last of Us was good, don’t deify these guys, they’ve been wrong plenty. Also they admitted they were wrong about Prey.
@@toastwriter617 I didn’t come to form my opinion, I came to hear coverage of the show. Don’t project your insecurities onto me
Speaking of insecurities, did you like your own comment?
On their point about Penguin's intro scene, it's perfect because we get all 3 sides of Penguin one after the other
His ego; how he's seen, his rank, his skillsets, his habitual goals and behaviors
His super-ego: where he _wants_ to be, what he respects, what he _thinks_ he is
And then, when the guy laughs at him, we get his id: what he _actually_ is deep down, and all the flaws, strengths, and headaches that brings.
In _one sequence_ we know everything we need to know about this guy.
That is an astute observation and a very interesting way of looking at it. This show gets better the further you dig into it, especially in regards to its character's and dialogue writing.
To add because I really like that breakdown of Penguin's introduction
It also sets the pattern of the show. Penguin gets ambitious, he either gets caught or his plan gets disrupted, he reads the situation, manipulates his way out of it, and due to his ego he gets into another situation usually worse than before and the cycle continues.
Penguin is, in my personal experience, the most brutality accurate depiction of modern gangsters. No loyalty, no code, no shame, just self gratification.
It’s official the Penguin is a Christmas show, I mean he’s literally a penguin
Yeah, Jeebus was a penguin I swear!
Penguins are from the South Pole though.
@@JSPena Penguins are from Christmas dumby
@JSPena Theyre enemies of Christmas that's why they went as far away from Santa as possible
@@peanutgallery4 and because Polar Bears would send them to extinction.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro/MauLer Lied/Most Christmasy Bird
8:10 Backstory/The Reception of the Show
11:40 Lauren Lefranc/Mark Strong
15:40 Word of Mouth/Episode 1
30:32 Oswald Cobb/Make-up
37:00 Character Introduction
55:44 Disposing Alberto/Colour
59:15 Fat Hands/Meeting Victor/Structure
1:10:03 Pickles/Ambition/Not Killing Vic
1:16:00 Oswald's Apartment/Leg
1:17:46 Consequences of Riddlers' Plan/Oswald's Business/Character Dynamics, Worldbuilding & Exposition
1:27:34 Meeting Johnny & Sofia
1:41:10 Dinner With Sofia
1:53:40 Season 2 Curse/Disability Train Seat/Consequences of Riddlers' Plan (2)
1:58:00 Dolly Parton/Different Car/Francis Cobb
2:08:35 Scapegoat/Bonding With Victor/Salvatore Maroni
2:19:22 Car Chase/"The Hangman" Vs The Penguin
2:29:50 Aftermath/Ending/Shows Wasting Potential (Cough, Cough, Arcane)
2:40:32 Episode 2: Sofia's Nightmare/Strong Woman Who Suffers
2:44:50 Sal & Os/The Drop
2:56:50 A Surprising Duo/Vic & Os
3:02:14 The Radio/Batman TV Show or Movie?/Opportunity
3:10:44 Sofia's Detective/Celebration/Panic Attack
3:15:05 The Appearance of The Penguin/Francis' Influence on Oswald
3:18:45 Alberto's Funeral
3:38:14 The Bodies/Os & Sofia/Episode Ends
3:42:35 Episode 3, The Victor Aguilar Episode/The Flood/Back in the Present
3:52:33 Bliss/Victor & His Girlfriend/Falcone Residence
3:58:41 Carrying & Selling/Cop & Victor/A Meaningful Conversation
4:13:30 Blackmailing Johnny/Nice to Vic/A Mistake & Questions
4:24:08 Copycat Drugs/Chat With Zhao/A Cool Flashback
4:29:15 Os & Vic's Goodbye
4:38:00 Os & Sofia/Victor Saves Os/Episode 3 Ends
4:48:00 Episode 4 & the Truth is Revealed/Flashback & Appearances/Planting Seeds
4:55:47 Family Dinner/Asking Questions & The Investigator
5:06:15 The Party
5:17:30 Sofia's Arrested
5:28:10 Fork Fight/Electro-Shock "Therapy"/Alberto's Visit
5:34:40 Sofia Kills Magpie/Julian & Sofia/Dinner
5:46:30 Gas & Episode End/Closing
Thank you based Timestamp man
Penguin is what Boogie thinks he is
Boogie is more of a buddy pine
Boogie is just Bill from KOTH with less ex-wife and 1 full cup of extra narcissism.
@@zombieranger3410yeah but Bill has upper-body strength for days when sufficiently motivated. Bill is a sports man at heart who's forgotten who he really is; Boogie, if motivated and given everything he needs, would _still_ choose to rot in his chair, just be more smug about it
@@zombieranger3410How dare you insult Bill like that!
nah, Boogie is worse than that. he wanted a facade of Mr. Rogers of internet only when he had enough money swindled from his followers. It's not about respect or acknowledgment for him , the dirty rat is a natural bottom feeder, ready to exploit anyone and everyone not to achieve something but to quench the unending thirst for wealth for the wealth's sake. Oswald fought for his survival and better life as well as wishing of being great person and inspiration for others to be good too. He is still human, unlike Boogie. Gollum would be more suitable analogy for what reflection of Boogie we can see in cinema.
They said they weren’t doing anything on Penguin. You LIAR! You LIAR!
Never trust a penguin. The're cheeky like that.
That's what you get for trusting a birdfrog, handsome dog and feelings draining slenderman.
I've never been happier being lied to.
IT'S A COLLOQUIALISM!!!
*I AM NOT USED TO THIS LEVEL OF SCRUTINY !!!!!*
Victor: “Lord Cobblepot, your vassal dies in vain.”
Penguin: “Then die.”
I needja to know it wasn't fer nuttin Vic!
1:57:10 I love this about penguin, it’s a comic accurate thing too that he isn’t happy with guys like two-face, joker and riddler because they're just crazy, Oz was always a business man.
Sofia to me is what an "antivillain" should look like. While an antihero is the morally-dubious protagonist with a tragic flaw but ultimately serves some form of greater good, Sofia is the morally-ambiguous antagonist with a _tragic grace_ in her that you hate to see let down
You know I really love how much the Penguin deals with the Riddler's attack on the city. It would have been easy to just move on, but they make something like a flood feel like it has disastrous and long reaching effects.
I wish Marvel treated "the blip" with as much respect as this
Something I don’t want to go under appreciated, the end credit music / main theme, “Scherzo for a Flightless Bird” from Michael Giacchino’s son (Mick Giacchino) is FANTASTIC
Like any good score, not only is it an excellent composition alone, but it thematically reflects Oz’s state of being (like how The Batman theme communicated the imposing nature the Batman myth had) and the image of a flightless bird desperately flapping its wings, as the Penguin tends to go through the show
Everyone go listen to it when you get a chance
100%. The theme is perfect for both Oz and the Penguin as a legacy character. Love how you can almost hear his limp in the song too, and it just gets more and more intense.
Fantastic analysis! Wholeheartedly agree. I remember when I was first listening to it on its own, it kind of struck me as sounding like it came out of a horror movie, with that droning violin and heavy cello. Which kind of reflects the monster that Oz is.
And then the drums kick in and I can't help but think it's one of the best "comic book" themes out there.
I've had a stutter pretty much my entire life, and I gotta give major props to Rhenzy Feliz. He did an excellent job conveying a lot of the little quirks and nuances that come with having that mindset of a stutterer. You can almost see the exact moments when he realizes he's about to stutter and prepares his body language and facial expressions to account for it until he finally gets the word(s) out. Very well done. Makes an already great character even better.
This and Shogun are shows of the year. It’s so clear that there is so much passion and care in both of them.
Yup. I kinda get it that EFAP is more bad media aka Disney Marvel leaning. But at least one good show will get talked about recently. Just too cleanse our creative pallets.
@@alesksanderarcane s2 was supposed to be positive coverage, but the show turned out to be shit.
Well, atleast we got Squid Game Season 2 tomorrow 😅😂
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@@AM-kg8rz HOTD Season 2 was a bloated, terrible mess too :(
I needed this coverage after Arcane, I really did. To see EFAP in action when it's something magnificent.
Thank god, I almost spent time with my family.
I do love a positive Efap, they're rare these days with the amount of sludge out there but Die Hard & Penguin streams back to back are great (still gotta check out the Grinch triple threat)
They're extra rare when EFAP fail to recognize good films like Guardians 3 and Deadpool & Wolverine.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09I’m sorry you missed them breaking down the reasons those two films were bad. You can go back and watch them to find their references and reasons.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Guardians 3 was pretty rough man. Personally, I don't like 2 very much but 3 has fluffy animal stories and that's it. Drax and Mantis were assassinated, Gamora is handled terribly, Nebula is a pretty ridiculous OC at this point, and Adam Warlock is lame.
Haven't seen Deadpool and Wolverine as multiverse films are usually ass.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 how can you lump Deadpool and Wolverine of all films into the “good” category. That movie was a middle finger to Wolverine, Deadpool, and story logic. Albeit, a slightly humorous one.
@@nhagan001 I didn't, both those breakdowns are bad. Just because they have reasons why they think those movies are bad doesn't mean those reasons are valid. Their references and reasons are terrible. They claim that the characters in Guardians 3 are assassinated because of a bunch of nitpicks that aren't even valid since they didn't understand the characters actions in the film. They even criticize Star-Lord going back for his Zune when that is completely in character. "I hate when characters have multiple conflicting traits and act like people" is a pretty good description of both those breakdowns. They didn't even understand why Wolverine was walking away from Deadpool in the void. They also ask a bunch of existential questions and pretend like they're actual criticisms. "Why is there only one Anchor-being?" - Why do humans breath oxygen?
They criticize James Gunn for introducing the med-packs, saying that it's unfair to future writers because now they have to account for this, which is both a baffling criticism and hypocritical since they have never blamed Civil War for introducing the Sokovia Accords when MCU installments ignore them.
I suggest you re-watch those breakdown with a more critical eye. Or watch S.K.'s videos where he debunks their breakdowns. And before I hear any shit about S.K. being an asshole or "he defended Southpaw" etc. - That doesn't change the validity of his arguments. He very accurately points out how their criticisms are bad.
Batman Returns is a Christmas movie that EFAP hasn't covered.
it also falls apart completely if you think about it at all lol
EFAP talking about the Penguin on Christmas after the family has all opened their presents and were all cozy and warm, is the only thing that brings me joy in life.
THEY CAME INTO THE LIGHT AND COVER A GREAT SHOW
I knew they wouldn’t be able to resist. And Im so happy I was right, Merry Christmas.
“You got fight in ya, Rags.”
Efap doing such a long and positive feedback feels just in line with Christmas.
I'm so glad that the Boogie Arc prepared the lads for Oswald. He's like Boogie but smart
5:01:50 Important to note that in the shot, its not just that Carmine is covering his eyes but that you can clearly see that he has scratch marks on himself
Remember thinking it was odd that Mauler kept saying that this series couldn't be covered on EFAP, it makes sense now, a nice surprise indeed. Especially needed after talking about the biggest disappointment of the year in Arcane to have episodes dedicated to the most pleasant surprise of the year.
I think MauLer rewatched Penguin after that disappointment as a palette cleanser, and seeing all the setup and payoff and just how good it is he realized _ah shit, I'm gonna be talking about this show in-depth anyways_
It should be pointed out: All the merchandise that came out for The Batman (including McFarlane figures and Funko Pops) had the name Oswald Cobblepot on the box.
I've been waiting for EFAP to sink their teeth into this, I'm so happy it's finally being done, and on Christmas?!?!? AMAZING
A bit of a side tangent about the blip MCU thing, but what if you were flying in a plane when you blipped? Wouldn't there be thousands of ppl falling to their deaths? Or what if you were in a place that had a house built over it? Would you wind up inside a wall? Based on the numbers, I think alot of these sorts of things happened.
In an interview its stated the Hulk placed those people in safe places
EFAP always referred to those as "snap adjacent deaths", and there would be a ton of those for sure
I've always wondered how far down the scale did the blip affect. We know it killed birds. I'm assuming it killed most animals. Did it take down insects? Cells?! What if you survived the snap, but half your cells died? Can you survive with half your cells? How many cells can you lose before there are problems?
It raises so many problematic questions that the films don't want to answer or don't know how to answer. It's 5 years later, so not only do they snap back 30000 feet in the air, but do they get snapped back in another part of the Galaxy? What happens when you lose half the population and also half of the animals and food supply? Half the insects and bees? Do plants count as life? Do bacteria? Are your gut bacteria separate from you as a lifeform? Can you lose your gut bacteria and be fine? Can you get snapped but your gut bacteria stays? If you snap everything back do you bring back everything including viruses and germs? Do you bring back cancer cells? What do you do? How would it work? Nope, nevermind.
Something to watch while I'm at work on Christmas.
Thanks gang!
Speaking of stepping on land mines when talking about a scene with Mark Strong made me giggle
they said it couldn't be done, but we know that through the power of Christmas, out wishes will come true
So, I just recently started watching The Penguin, and then wanted to hear what the EFAP crew thought about it. Imagine my genuine surprise there wasn't a video about this show all these months. So, this is a great Christmas present to me :D
Glad to see that Sofia is not smart because Oz is an idiot but she's just genuinely a smart woman and quite scary too
Really loved their scenes together!
MAULER YOU LIAR!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 YOU BIG CHUNGUS LIAR, You got your lying fleems all over Penguin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Look at all this content. I saw notifications and I’m like “EFAP EFAP EFAP” even though I knew it couldnt possibly be true. And here it is: a breakdown of the Penguin by the crew, perfect because as usual I have no intention of watching any of these things.
Merry Christmas to all! And god bless us every one 🥹
I don't think the Penguin is faking his tears when he talks to Sophia, he's doing what all actors do, he's channelling the hurt he just felt from losing Vic and putting it into his performance.
The song 9 to 5 coincides with the movie 9 to 5 starring Dolly Parton, Jane Fonda, and Lilly Tomlin. In it, the three lowly secretaries kidnap their abusive boss played by Dabney Coleman and take over running his business in secret. That song usage in The Penguin has so many connotations.
That intro preamble back n forth was hilarious, natural & set the tone perfectly, jolly good you fine fellows!!!
Ho ho holy shit its happening
I love you guys so much, thank you. I usually spend Christmas alone, so thank you, you massives ❤❤❤❤❤
I just love how they made the Penguin the biggest villainous backstabbing piece of shit that somehow we're absolutely rooting for the entire season (until the very last scene on the finale when we are rooting for the OTHER big player on Gotham to break Oz's teeth)
Imma be real I was rooting for Oz until the Sofia episode, then he lost me mostly, and by the time we saw what happened to his brothers he lost me completely. Still loved the show but I stopped supporting him about halfway through
Excited face: "seeing Oz get what he wants"
Horrified face: "seeing Oz get what he wants"
Great show, my only issue is the Penguins plot armour at times, like he shoots his way out of some insane situations despite his gun skill never being established
doesn't that establish his gun skills? by winning
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Maybe establish is the wrong term, more like earned? We don't see him practicing nor do people talk about how insane it is that he shoots his way out of some scenes
That and Batman's absence after the explosion in Crown Point. He would absolutely be helping during the clean-up. Also Gordon's absence is a bit odd.
@@jcore0981 True, I wonder if the Batman film will fill in gaps for what they were up to
@meris8486 Possibly. I do give the show some leeway just cause the extent of the damage done to Gotham, and obviously, Bruce is only one person in a massive city. I just feel it could've at least been addressed. Maybe one of the people Victor is with could mention that the Bat might be there or something.
A lot of problems y'all are overlooking:
E1 - How does Vic manage to crash the car onto their property and get away with it? I hate how the henchmen even allow the VIPs to get out of the doors. If this was an abush they could all be shot. It's mad that they allow Sophia to open the trunk. What if this was a car bomb? (this becomes funnier after E7) Also the brother being dead means nothing. This doesn't mean the Penguin is innocent, for all you know, he had his people bring in the body and got lucky with the timing (oh wait he did lol). Oz also shot his car, that bullet hole should be something he should make up a story about.
Also, Oz killed one of their henchman with that bus (this never comes up again, you'd think they'd want revenge for that alone, it would have been better to just not have the henchman die)
The thing is, I can see how you could write this a bit better; Have a security leader like Mike Ehrmnentraut tell everyone to not touch the car as it arrives, and have him refuse to risk any of his staff's lives to open it. Have him conclude that the best course of action is to call the police to deal with it, (since I don't imagine the Falcones have a bomb disposal unit lol), and in order to call the police they'd have to let Oz go or move him to another location at least.
E4 - Gassing the house is not a great way to kill everyone inside efficiently, but more importantly, opening a window is not a great way to make sure Johnny Vidi doesn't die. What if he just thought it was cold and closed it? What if he heard noises of people passing out, and went to look at what happened and overdosed on CO2?
It is really rewarding to hear y’all talking about a good show!
Thanks for that!👍
This is such a great show, 50% of that is because it was such a surprising sensation. Funny though, I thought for sure Victor was going to be Zsasz "for modern audiences" haha. It was dumb, but a damn nice surprise that he wasn't. Second best character of the show, too. That trio of Oz, Victor and Sophia, simply fantastic and human.
EFAP Grinch watch a long, a breakdown of Die Hard and aa breakdown of The penguin. so good.
You think synthetic man fell for all of oz's manipulations?
Oz willingly associates with a minority, so SM would probably disagree with him on principle
5:17:06 Mark Strong is so good. I’d love an EFAP Movies on Rock n Rolla, where I first saw him. Highly underrated film.
Him and the wife in Sixth Sense carried the Dune show; he perfectly nails the "all-powerful Emperor who's got his nuts in a vice and conditioned into being a puppet, but is _still_ regal af and has gravitas for days with the power he does have"
59:19 Funny because Tom was insistent that the character have "Big Hands" like comically big. I don't remember where I saw it, but there's an interview somewhere where Tom talks about it.
Hooorayyyy a Christmas miracle indeed!
Mark Strong was ALSO Sinestro. A major character who flies in DC who is visibly Mark Strong
Best show of 2024
Everybody is lovin cristin now
What a Christmas miracle indeed
YOU LIAR!!!!! YOU LIAR!!!! YOU LIAR!!!! YOU LIAR!!!
I NEVER DID! I NEVER DIIIIID!!! I NEVAAAAR DIIIIIIIIIID!!!
Fun fact, bliss in the comics is distilled from the "hormone secretions of kidnapped children" rather than a mushroom. Can't imagine why they changed it
Thank you very much for proving me wrong!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year for you and your Crew.
One way they could pull off the monocle look: If you remember the Arkham games, the Penguin doesn't have a monocle, but the broken bottom of a glass bottle smashed into his eye. It could work!
1:16 : "You look like something we can't put in the video." Lol, dang. I hope Rags is giving him burn ointment for Christmas.
We need to see Jacob Kane in this universe. He can shoot batman with his desert eagle
Mauler you filthy lying goodman, how dare you be such a Saint this holiday season? You terribly jolly old goodman 🎄🎁🎄
Mark Strong was in three separate DC things lmao, Green Lantern, Shazam and now The Penguin
Merry Christmas Mauler!
Good to know the FAPers enjoyed Penguin. I thoroughly enjoyed the show myself. So much so I’m even down for the Sophia/Selena spinoff I expect coming.
They left her in the perfect place for Batman 2; if they visit her in Arkham it would make perfect sense, but if they keep her on pause so she's saved for the show, that also makes perfect sense.
Selina reaching out to her could work as an actual plotline, or as a consolation that Sofia has something going on in the meantime
5:15:00 Mark Strong is also Sinestro in Green Lantern lol.
I gotta say Mauler, thanks for lying to us. This was the best gift EFAP could give us. :)
Thank you and Happy Holidays, gentlemen. My personal New Year’s promise is to send some coin HBO / Max’s way by subscribing, and then to binge this from start to finish.
I do like when a story is written to set things up and then pay them off. Instead of "lol random" mystery boxes that lead nowhere, and the feel that scripts are written the night before filming.
Ohhh I am so excited for this!
For $60 a single hit Bliss better make me feel like I’m in heaven for at least a full day.
Ever go to a bar??
@ if I go to a shady bar and they’re selling what is essentially a high dose hit of acid for $60 I’m leaving. Then again, Club Penguin in the show is for high ranking public officials, so charging out the ass is reasonable.
Fringy you're scaring me
I really enjoyed da pengu, wonder if I missed anything, some things in the show you can see a mile away but not in a bad way since they are logical things to happen.
YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP! GEEEEETTTT IIIINNNNNN THHHHEEEEERRRREEEE!
21:45 there’s a legal issue where Batman cannot show up on live action television. Bruce Wayne can, but then people will be like “why isn’t Batman doing anything, you have the actor”
34:34 Cobb is the maiden name of Dick Grayson’s mom. Perhaps they were trying to tie the Penguin to Robin in some future movie
I hate that The corrupt cop is even able to kidnap Ervard from the hospital in the first place : a victim of a mob shooting would be under guard at the hospital you think and it would be impossible for one cop to just take him, especially when doctors would oppose it and other police officers would ask for confirmation from the higher ups. I also find it stupid that luca and viti leave no guards at Ervard's basement to just chastize Sofia together : this prisoner is super important and could be used as leveraged, or could very well just die if some caretaker isn't near just in case. Leaving him with no guards and no supervision for 10 mins makes no sense, and just allows Oz to kill him
Alright, you win, I'll go watch it first and come back later.
BLANTON'S Bourbon is in almost every episode
5:16:05 Want to be more depressed? Mark Strong was also Sinestro in Green Lantern (2011). So it took DC 3 chances to do this wonderful actor justice, and he did it best in what, 8 minutes of screen time.
It is indeed a miracle!!
When you're guessing which character mark strong played I thought you were going down the senestro route
Rags saying he likes those old Volvos is the gayest thing I’ve ever heard him say
Hey, the Boxy Vulva is a classic for a reason! Reliable, … and that’s it.
Merry Christmas EFAP bois and viewers!
Did you also forget mark strong Was in green lantern?
This is PENG!
Sofia falcone the "average wife" Jordan Belfort left from wolf of wall street 😂😂😂
“Her names Teressa, she cuts hair.”
42:45 it’s called Speech 100
Penguin was really really amazing. I didn't care for all the Sofia focus in the penguin story but she was a well done character so it wasn't the end of the world. I didn't tune in once to see her and I think whenever the penguin wasn't in a scene you really did feel his absence.
Truly a great Christmas present
I feel like you missed some important aspects of Penguin's character. But I'm only 3 hours or so through this, but you never seem to notice.
They show multiple times that Oz is pathetic. When he kills Alberto in a rage, when he incorrectly calculates how certain players will react, how he deals with the ramifications of some situations. He's often pathetic.
He's portrayed as a mastermind (arguably even lulling the audience into a false sense of security with him) but he's not always that good at it. Most of the time he fails to really understand how his plans will play out and so he almost dies CONSTANTLY. If it wasn't for Vic being as naive as he is he would have died, and he was taking a huge risk with that gamble. Which, again, was pretty pathetic. But this is such good writing because it doesn't break the fact that Penguin always loses in the end. Its fascinating to me that they were able to walk that very thin line of Penguin planning everything he does, arguably but most likely from the beginning of this show, constantly failing, and constantly finding a way to continue his schemes.
I'm really surprised how good the writing was on this. Even the movie was not written with this kind of care. Although there's a lot detracting from the movie. Maybe it was but it was lessened by how bad of an actor Robert Pattinson is, and how boring Paul Dano was.
3:06:00 I would say Batman: The Animated Series as the last great Batman TV show. I inagine most people would say The Dark Knight as the last great Batman Movie,
I think its totally fair for the few weeks this takes place during to say Batman was busy saving people, and then needed to heal
To be fair The Bat was _fucked. up._ by the end of the stadium incident. Guarantee you Alfred had to peel him off his bike after the adrenaline wore off
Just like the first Joker movie, I expect nothing from The Penguin, and I was pleasantly surprise.
Partridge is the most Christmas bird.
Also, ham is the common Christmas dinner, not bird.
Did all of the Efap crew watch death note? I never heard them talk about it. I thought it's an interesting comparsion cause most of the time Light plans everything ahead, and the episode with Naomi Misora shows him out of his element, while the penguin is almost always in that kind of situation, and he excels at it.
Oz killing Victor reminded me of Tony murdering Christopher in The Sopranos.
It's so much worse here. Victor was a huge asset, not to mention a loyal friend. Tony killing Christopher was cold blooded but at least you could argue Christopher was beyond redemption by that point. Victor's death is a tragedy.
@@jcore0981 True. Chrissy was a husk of himself by that point.
@@jcore0981 Yeah, it's more like if Walter White killed Jessie at the end of Braking Bad.
@@jcore0981 I agree. It is much more reprehensible in terms of morality. However, I think Tony murdering Chrissy was justified a hell of a lot more considering who Tony is, what he values, and how much of a liability Christopher had been up to that point. It’s also far more tragic of a story with everything Tony and Chrissy had been through up to that point. I like The Penguin, but The Sopranos blows it out of the water in every regard for me.
@beardog7020 Well, The Sopranos is a top ten show of all time so....yeah
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Merry Christmas to all!!! :)
I can't wait for Jacob Kane to show up.
I want to see a buddy-movie with Jacob Kane and The Grinch taking on Calendar Man
@@samwallaceart288the grinch steals Christmas presents *whaddya Bring me.
2:05:00 Best part is she knows what kind of monster Oz is and may have given him delusional mob ideas to protect herself. She is the only living family.
I think it's time for Fringy to get passed the Era of using phrases involving the word "Era" ;D
Fringy's Oz sounds like Trump 😭
28:44 weird criticism, it’s really not lame. It’s an especially neat nod to The Dark Knight Returns.